Why Navamsa Chart is so important?Quarter/Half aspects

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July 9, 2007

Finally nothing happens in the rashi chart too.

That is history. The Rashi charts just give the

pointers the degrees of the natal planets,

and the Navamsha points, of these degrees, which again

is converted into degrees for transit purpose and

observations, and all this happens in the

sky above.

Now we are talking of 2 approaches.

a) Transits with reference to natal points.

b) transits with reference to nakshatra points.

And aspects also same

a) In natal Chart.

b) In navamsha Chart ????

So back to square one.

regards,

Bhaskar.

, " vijayadas_pradeep "

<vijayadas_pradeep wrote:

>

> Dear Chandrashekhar ji

>

> Thanks for the info regarding sphuta.As you see i too was thinking

> and generally referring to exact conjunction,but navamsha sector was

> given by Bhaskar ji.

>

> Thus as you see,it is pointing to exact conjunction of transiting

> planet,with navamsha lord of a bhavalord or planet.

>

> Yes ,i can understand,your feelings.But still you may tell them that

> these are happening in rashi chakra so that people who are wrong

> understandings,will trust.

>

> I somehow feel,some feel that who is talking has all importance and

> what is being said has no importance.This is not the case.

>

> Respect

> Pradeep

>

> , Chandrashekhar

> <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Pradeep,

> >

> > Your understanding of the transit over a certain degree is right.

> But

> > you have perhaps some confusion about the applicability of the nadi

> > principles. it talks about the sphuta of the navamshesha. That is

> the

> > exact degree of the lord of navamsha occupied by a bhava lord. I

> trust

> > this is clear.

> >

> > I am as much a student of astrology as anybody else and do not

> claim to

> > be more knowledgeable than others. I might have corrected a wrong

> > interpretation of some principle, on the basis of the principle as

> > understood by me earlier but with the type of language flying on

> the

> > list and challenges being thrown around, I have no wish to do so.

> >

> > Take care,

> > Chandrashekhar.

> >

> > vijayadas_pradeep wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Chandrashekhar ji

> > >

> > > Navamshesha of a bhava lord.Say my lagna lord is Guru.Its

> > > navamshesha is Mercury.Mercury will be in some navamsha.It is in

> > > Makara rashi in my case.Within Makara it is in Leo navamsha.As far

> > > as i have seen the usage of amsha transits,one has to see the

> > > transit from Leo rashi.I have explained this in the mother/father

> > > navamsha/dwadashamsha shloka.

> > >

> > > Now there is another principle.In that you have to see whether a

> > > planet is transiting the exact degrees of its placement.transiting

> > > amshas is identical to it.

> > >

> > > In my case if a planet say saturn is transiting makara rashi,leo

> > > amsha(as you have quoted) that is a 3.2 degree sector within

> makara

> > > rashi,certain results can be predicted.

> > >

> > > It is physical transit exactly over my natal mercury's 3.2 degree

> > > span.

> > >

> > > How is this physical transit over natal rashi justifying bhavas in

> > > navamsha chakra.You are a learned scholar and you have to correct

> > > them if some one is making mistakes.

> > >

> > > Respect

> > > Pradeep

> > >

> > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar

> > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Pradeep,

> > > >

> > > > I do not know whether you have read Chandrakalanadi Sanskrit

> > > shlokas,

> > > > but the reference to transit identical with the amshas of the

> > > > navamshesha of a bhava lord is clearly given therein. So

> Prafulla

> > > is right.

> > > >

> > > > For the record, Garga was not considered sage like but was a

> sage

> > > well

> > > > respected by even Parashara himself.

> > > >

> > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > >

> > > > vijayadas_pradeep wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Prafulla ji

> > > > >

> > > > > If you may note,there were couple of cases similar to what you

> > > > > talk,where Chandrashsekhar ji feels those as aspects in varga

> > > > > chakras.Those cases are clealry explained in

> > > Dashadhayayi.Moreover

> > > > > Chandrashekhar ji had different opinion on kemadruma and

> > > > > chandranavmshaka rashi.

> > > > >

> > > > > Those cases too were explined not onlyin dashadhayayi but by

> > > sagelike

> > > > > figures,Garga,Jeevasharma and sruthakeerthi.Those were not

> > > english

> > > > > translations as you have given from Devakeralam.But in

> Sanskrit

> > > with

> > > > > clear reeference to rashi.

> > > > >

> > > > > Thus ,the basic principle is amshas and amshakas roots back to

> > > > > rashis.Within a Rashi we have amshas of other rashis.For the

> same

> > > > > reason amshas and rashis are lorded by same planet.

> > > > >

> > > > > So what you are saying have to read in Rashi chart.Transits

> can

> > > only

> > > > > be seen w.r to Rashi chart.How do you find navamsha

> > > rashi.Whether you

> > > > > see it from 3.2 degre sector or from a full navamshaka

> > > rashi,they are

> > > > > both pointing to Rashi chakra.Thus for transits there is no

> > > amiguity

> > > > > at all.You can ask any Jyotishi.

> > > > >

> > > > > Regds

> > > > > Pradeep

> > > > >

> > > <%40>

> > > > > <%40>, Prafulla Gang

> <jyotish@>

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Pradeep,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > many thanks for your pointer.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Well, kalyan Varma must have hinted at partial aspect -

> while

> > > > > referring to D chart aspect. let me search for reference in

> > > Saravali

> > > > > and also search for Shri Rohini Ranjan's opinion (which

> certainly

> > > > > carries more weight than my layman's opinion ) and revert

> back.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I quote another reference:

> > > > > > Satyacharya:

> > > > > > " " As mercury and venus are in kendra (i.e. angular rashis)

> in

> > > the

> > > > > navamsa chakra from each other, the native possess Vahanas

> > > > > (conveyances). "

> > > > > >

> > > > > > There are huge references in Deva Keralam - on use of D9

> chart

> > > in

> > > > > transit analysis as well natal analysis - where aspects are

> > > referred

> > > > > and navamsa chakras are referred.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > BPHS in current version - may not be conclusive astrology

> > > document;

> > > > > as many equally respectable sages - have referred the use of D

> > > charts

> > > > > and aspects therein.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > regards / Prafulla Gang

> > > > > > http://www.prafulla.net <http://www.prafulla.net>

> > > <http://www.prafulla.net <http://www.prafulla.net>>

> > > > > >

> > > > > > " Men who never get carried away should be. "

> > > > > > ************************************************

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > vijayadas_pradeep@

> > > > > > > Fri, 06 Jul 2007 22:04:44 -0000

> > > > > > >

> > > <%40>

> > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > Re: Why Navamsa Chart is so

> important?

> > > > > Quarter/Half

> > > > > > > aspects

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Prafulla ji

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > The mentioned aspects are clearly for placement in

> > > Rashis.Please

> > > > > > > check Saravali again.Also in another chapter Kalyan Varma

> > > clearly

> > > > > > > mentions about every planet having ,quarter aspect,half

> > > aspect

> > > > > > > etc,apart from full aspect.Thus it is pretty clear that

> > > these are

> > > > > non-

> > > > > > > full aspects in rashi chart.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Shri Ranjan did raise this question before and

> > > Chandrashekhar ji

> > > > > too

> > > > > > > had given similr explanations.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Regds

> > > > > > > Pradeep

> > > > > > >

> > > <%40>

> > > > > <%40>, Prafulla Gang

> <jyotish@>

> > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > >>

> > > > > > >> Dear Pradeep,

> > > > > > >>

> > > > > > >> Another important issue - In D9 charts reference - kalyan

> > > Varma

> > > > > has

> > > > > > > given hints for results for Sun aspecting venus; or

> mercury

> > > > > aspecting

> > > > > > > venus. Since they can never " aspect " in Rashi Kundli - the

> > > obvious

> > > > > > > reference was to Navamsa " chart " .

> > > > > > >>

> > > > > > >> I do not think, kalyan varma can be treated at par with

> > > current

> > > > > age

> > > > > > > scholars !!

> > > > > > >>

> > > > > > >> regards / Prafulla Gang

> > > > > > >> http://www.prafulla.net <http://www.prafulla.net>

> > > <http://www.prafulla.net <http://www.prafulla.net>>

> > > > > > >>

> > > > > > >> " Men who never get carried away should be. "

> > > > > > >> ************************************************

> > > > > > >>

> > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > >>> jyotish@

> > > > > > >>> Thu, 5 Jul 2007 20:23:15 -0800

> > > > > > >>>

> > > <%40>

> > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > >>> Re: Why Navamsa Chart is so

> > > important?

> > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > >>> Dear Sreenadh ji

> > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > >>> Well - who knows the truth? - Should the person making

> > > comment,

> > > > > be

> > > > > > >>> construed to be as truth seeker - until they prove with

> the

> > > > > > > application

> > > > > > >>> of the principles on the charts ( both ways - firstly

> the

> > > wrong

> > > > > > >>> application of others; and secondly how to read in

> correct

> > > way).

> > > > > > >>> Theorists without predictive support - has little

> > > relevance in

> > > > > > > jyotish.

> > > > > > >>> But yes - if you can justify your statements by case

> > > studies -

> > > > > > > then at

> > > > > > >>> least, I will hear with open mind.

> > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > >>> Understandably, I have been quoted to be " blind " to

> > > > > commentaries -

> > > > > > > but my

> > > > > > >>> submission is that - give me one reason to accept the

> views

> > > > > > > of " less read

> > > > > > >>> scholars " than to " well read scholars like Late

> > > Santhanam / Shri

> > > > > > > KN Rao /

> > > > > > >>> Shri Sanjay rath / many others " . and More so - as I do

> > > > > > > not " pretend " to

> > > > > > >>> know the sanskrit and do not " waste " my time on " shloka

> > > > > business "

> > > > > > > with my

> > > > > > >>> " incomplete knowledge " . So I am happy to be following

> > > better

> > > > > > > quality

> > > > > > >>> commentaries - who are expalining with the case studies.

> > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > >>> Of course - each one makes his choice.

> > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > >>> regards / Prafulla Gang

> > > > > > >>> http://www.prafulla.net <http://www.prafulla.net>

> > > <http://www.prafulla.net <http://www.prafulla.net>>

> > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > >>> " Men who never get carried away should be. "

> > > > > > >>> ************************************************

> > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > >>>>

> > > > > > >>>> sreesog@

> > > > > > >>>> Thu, 05 Jul 2007 07:00:31 -0000

> > > > > > >>>>

> > > <%40>

> > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > >>>> Re: Why Navamsa Chart is so

> > > important?

> > > > > > >>>>

> > > > > > >>>> Dear Prafulla ji,

> > > > > > >>>> * Even if those things are not there in ancient texts

> > > every

> > > > > one

> > > > > > > is

> > > > > > >>>> free to make or follow there own choice - yes, there is

> > > every

> > > > > > > chance

> > > > > > >>>> that even such new methods might give true results -

> your

> > > > > > > argument is

> > > > > > >>>> right.

> > > > > > >>>> * As far Sanskrit is concerned: Yes, it is your

> choice -

> > > when

> > > > > > > you

> > > > > > >>>> are blind to read and understand Sanskrit your self,

> and

> > > > > > > understand

> > > > > > >>>> what is there and what not, of course you have to

> follow

> > > > > someone

> > > > > > > who

> > > > > > >>>> says they see - you are right in that as well.

> > > > > > >>>> Love,

> > > > > > >>>> Sreenadh

> > > > > > >>>>

> > > <%40>

> > > > > <%40>, Prafulla Gang

> <jyotish@>

> > > > > > >>>> wrote:

> > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>> Well Sreenadh ji - at times, these issues become

> choice

> > > or

> > > > > > >>>> prejudices in our own form of reading model. Had there

> > > not been

> > > > > > > any

> > > > > > >>>> substance in interpreting D9 charts - lot many

> stalwarts

> > > must

> > > > > not

> > > > > > >>>> have explored it - and I presume - many of them know

> > > better

> > > > > > >>>> sanskrit / jyotish (rather both) than all of us on the

> > > forum

> > > > > > >>>> collectively. So if at all - anyone wish to contest the

> > > > > > >>>> interpretation - then many of those stalwarts are the

> > > people -

> > > > > > > must

> > > > > > >>>> be debated with. On the forum, where not many great

> > > sanskrit

> > > > > > >>>> scholars / jyotish researchers - the arguments may not

> > > have any

> > > > > > >>>> relevance.

> > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>> regards / Prafulla Gang

> > > > > > >>>>> http://www.prafulla.net <http://www.prafulla.net>

> > > <http://www.prafulla.net <http://www.prafulla.net>>

> > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>> " The right to be heard does not automatically include

> the

> > > > > right

> > > > > > > to

> > > > > > >>>> be taken seriously. "

> > > > > > >>>>> ************************************************

> > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>>> sreesog@

> > > > > > >>>>>> Tue, 03 Jul 2007 13:56:36 -0000

> > > > > > >>>>>>

> > > <%40>

> > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > >>>>>> Re: Why Navamsa Chart is so

> > > important?

> > > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>>> Dear Prafulla ji,

> > > > > > >>>>>> * No ancient text ask us to read Navamsha (not

> > > chart) " just

> > > > > > > like

> > > > > > >>>> D1

> > > > > > >>>>>> chart " ; nor they provide slokas for the same.

> > > > > > >>>>>> * No ancient text provide as the results

> for " aspects of

> > > > > > > planets

> > > > > > >>>> in

> > > > > > >>>>>> Navamasa "

> > > > > > >>>>>> * Nor they give us the results to be predicted when

> > > planets

> > > > > > > are

> > > > > > >>>>>> placed " x house with reference to navamsa lagna "

> > > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>>> I hope we are trying to study astrology as taught by

> the

> > > > > > > sages;

> > > > > > >>>> If

> > > > > > >>>>>> not I don't have anything to say.

> > > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>>> Love,

> > > > > > >>>>>> Sreenadh

> > > > > > >>>>>>

> > > <%40>

> > > > > <%40>, Prafulla Gang

> <jyotish@>

> > > > > > >>>>>> wrote:

> > > > > > >>>>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>>>> Dear Sreenadh ji

> > > > > > >>>>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>>>> I have also observed many jyotish stalwarts using

> > > navamsa

> > > > > > > chart

> > > > > > >>>>>> (along with other D charts). Now how to assess D9

> > > charts -

> > > > > > > can be

> > > > > > >>>>>> perspective. But - as most authors say - just like D1

> > > chart.

> > > > > > >>>>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>>>> I request members to share their experience.

> > > > > > >>>>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>>>> regards / Prafulla Gang

> > > > > > >>>>>>> http://www.prafulla.net <http://www.prafulla.net>

> > > <http://www.prafulla.net <http://www.prafulla.net>>

> > > > > > >>>>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>>>> " The right to be heard does not automatically

> include

> > > the

> > > > > > > right

> > > > > > >>>> to

> > > > > > >>>>>> be taken seriously. "

> > > > > > >>>>>>> ************************************************

> > > > > > >>>>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>>>>> sreesog@

> > > > > > >>>>>>>> Tue, 03 Jul 2007 07:56:49 -0000

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>

> > > <%40>

> > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > >>>>>>>> Re: Why Navamsa Chart is so

> > > > > important?

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>>>>> Dear Krishna ji,

> > > > > > >>>>>>>> ==>

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>> I too to the view that Navamsa chart is

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>> as important as Rasi chart.

> > > > > > >>>>>>>> <==

> > > > > > >>>>>>>> * There is not Navamsa " chart " , but only Navamsa.

> > > Navamsa

> > > > > > > chart

> > > > > > >>>>>> is

> > > > > > >>>>>>>> not as important as Rasi chart and it can never be,

> > > because

> > > > > > > it

> > > > > > >>>> is

> > > > > > >>>>>>>> only an amsa. But yes, it is more important than

> other

> > > > > amsas

> > > > > > > due

> > > > > > >>>>>> to

> > > > > > >>>>>>>> the prior said reasons.

> > > > > > >>>>>>>> ==>

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>> - Why strength of a planet is Navamsa determines

> the

> > > > > overall

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>> strength of a planet?

> > > > > > >>>>>>>> <==

> > > > > > >>>>>>>> * Because the quality of earth determines the

> > > strength of

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > >>>>>>>> plant. This is applicable to all amsas as per their

> > > > > > > importance.

> > > > > > >>>>>>>> ==>

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>> - Why it is allowed to consider aspects in Navamsa

> > > chart

> > > > > > > like

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>> aspects in a Rasi chart?

> > > > > > >>>>>>>> <==

> > > > > > >>>>>>>> * No, it is not allowed to consider aspects in

> > > Navamsa.

> > > > > > > (There

> > > > > > >>>>>> is

> > > > > > >>>>>>>> no navamsa 'chart'.)

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>>>>> ==>

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>> - Why sambandha of planets in Navamsa chart can be

> > > treated

> > > > > > > as

> > > > > > >>>> if

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>> the planets have a sambandha in Rasi chart?

> > > > > > >>>>>>>> <==

> > > > > > >>>>>>>> * No, when planets have sambandha in Navamsa, it

> only

> > > > > means

> > > > > > >>>> that.

> > > > > > >>>>>>>> When they have sombandha in Rasi, it only means

> that.

> > > It is

> > > > > > >>>> wrong

> > > > > > >>>>>> to

> > > > > > >>>>>>>> mix the two.

> > > > > > >>>>>>>> ==>

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>> - Why yogas should be looked at in navamsa chart

> as

> > > well?

> > > > > > >>>>>>>> <==

> > > > > > >>>>>>>> * No, Yogas should not be looked in

> Navamsa 'chart'.

> > > But

> > > > > yes

> > > > > > >>>>>> yoga in

> > > > > > >>>>>>>> Navamsa (not navamsa 'chart') can be taken yoga.

> > > Because it

> > > > > > > is

> > > > > > >>>> the

> > > > > > >>>>>>>> same principles as used in Rasi that are used to

> > > predict

> > > > > the

> > > > > > >>>>>> result

> > > > > > >>>>>>>> in Amsas as well - But Aspect(Drishti) and houses

> are

> > > not

> > > > > > >>>>>> applicable

> > > > > > >>>>>>>> to amsas. Both Aspect(Drishti) and Houses should be

> > > > > > > considered

> > > > > > >>>> in

> > > > > > >>>>>>>> Rasi chart itself. Any reference in ancient texts

> > > about

> > > > > > > aspect

> > > > > > >>>> or

> > > > > > >>>>>>>> houses essentially mean that they are referring to

> > > Rasi

> > > > > > > chart.

> > > > > > >>>>>>>> Love,

> > > > > > >>>>>>>> Sreenadh

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>

> > > <%40>

> > > > > <%40>, Krishnamurthy

> > > > > Seetharama

> > > > > > >>>>>>>> <krishna_1998@> wrote:

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>> Dear Kolachina ji,

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>> It was interesting to read your comments on

> > > importance of

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>> Navamsa chart. I too to the view that

> > > Navamsa

> > > > > > > chart

> > > > > > >>>> is

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>> as important as Rasi chart. This is based on my

> > > experience

> > > > > > > so

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>> far reading charts. However, I have still not

> > > understood

> > > > > > > what

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>> are the fundamental reasons for a varga chart

> being

> > > so

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>> important.

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>> - Why strength of a planet is Navamsa determines

> the

> > > > > overall

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>> strength of a planet?

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>> - Why it is allowed to consider aspects in Navamsa

> > > chart

> > > > > > > like

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>> aspects in a Rasi chart?

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>> - Why sambandha of planets in Navamsa chart can be

> > > treated

> > > > > > > as

> > > > > > >>>> if

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>> the planets have a sambandha in Rasi chart?

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>> - Why yogas should be looked at in navamsa chart

> as

> > > well?

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>> By looking at the kind of importance given to

> Navamsa

> > > > > > > chart, it

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>> appears that the Rasi chart and Navamsa chart make

> > > up two

> > > > > > > equal

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>> halves representing the native.

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>> I have no doubts about the importance of Navamsa

> > > Chart.

> > > > > > > What I

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>> would like to know is why Navamsa gains such an

> > > > > importance?

> > > > > > >>>> What

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>> are the fundamental reasons? After all it is one

> of

> > > many

> > > > > > > varga

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>> charts!

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>> Regards,

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>> Krishna

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>> --- Satya Sai Kolachina <skolachi@> wrote:

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> Dear Sri Pradeep and Sri Chandrasekhar,

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> I have been following this thread on karakamsa

> and

> > > both

> > > > > of

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> your

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> contributions.

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> I whole-heartedly appreciate both of you for your

> > > > > valuable

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> inputs

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> you are providing to the astrological community.

> I

> > > would

> > > > > > > like

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> to

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> share my opinion (through my own experience).

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> Considering Karakamsa from either Rasi or Navamsa

> > > chart

> > > > > > > alone

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> most

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> probably leads to erroneous results, as I found

> > > both the

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> approaches

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> working. I see the point Pradeep is making as

> very

> > > > > > > valuable;

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> at the

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> same time I am not against using Navamsa chart as

> > > > > separate

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> chart (of

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> course without losing the context of the Rasi

> > > chart),

> > > > > since

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> any of

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> the varga charts will not give independent

> results

> > > if the

> > > > > > > Rasi

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> chart

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> is ignored, as they themselves do not exist if

> the

> > > Rasi

> > > > > > > chart

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> doesn't exist. In fact Sri KN Rao also mentioned

> in

> > > > > several

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> occassions in many of his articles and books that

> > > yogas

> > > > > > > viewed

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> in

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> the Rasi chart should also exist in the Navamsa

> > > chart for

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> confirming

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> the results. If we do not see the Navamsa chart

> as a

> > > > > > > separate

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> chart,

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> how can we see the yogas therein? For the

> purpose of

> > > > > > > checking

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> some

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> yogas, Yuti and Veekshana (conjunction and

> aspects)

> > > in

> > > > > the

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> navamsa

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> chart make sense. This kind of yuti or veekshana

> > > should

> > > > > be

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> considered on a hypothetical level (as mutual

> > > influence

> > > > > at

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> amsha level) rather than being within a 30 deg.

> > > span. of

> > > > > > > Rasi.

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> Take an example. If a planet is exlated or in own

> > > house

> > > > > in

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> rasi

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> chart and attains debilitation in the Navamsa

> > > chart, it

> > > > > is

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> condiered

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> as weakening of the actual strength shown in the

> > > Rasi.

> > > > > Why

> > > > > > > is

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> this

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> considered so? It is considered like that

> because,

> > > even

> > > > > > > though

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> the

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> planet is within its own or exlated rasi, still

> its

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> positioning

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> within that particular sector (here navamsa) has

> > > weakened

> > > > > > > it;

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> means,

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> within its own rasi, this particular sector is

> the

> > > > > weakest

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> point for

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> the planet within the strongest rasi; hence it

> > > loses its

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> strength

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> considerably. This means there is a gradation of

> > > > > strengths

> > > > > > > for

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> the

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> planet from first navamsa to the last navamsa.

> The

> > > > > navamsa

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> position

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> of a planet, thus indicates its refined placement

> > > within

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> rasi.

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> In fact, Sri KN Rao also gives equal weightage to

> > > both

> > > > > the

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> Rasi and

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> Navamsa placement of a planet. If a planet is

> weak

> > > in one

> > > > > > > of

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> them

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> that means half the weightage is lost. We may not

> > > give

> > > > > the

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> same

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> level of treatment to other vargas as we give to

> > > Navamsa;

> > > > > > > but

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> Navamsa is as important as the Rasi; to the

> extent

> > > that

> > > > > it

> > > > > > > can

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> be

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> viewed as an independent chart (to confirm the

> > > promise

> > > > > > > given

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> by the

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> rasi chart).

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> Without a confirmation of Navamsa chart, yogas in

> > > the

> > > > > rasi

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> chart

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> alone cannot and will not give expected results;

> I

> > > have

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> observed

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> this phenomenon in several charts.

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> My own experience is; I have Chandra and Sukra

> both

> > > in

> > > > > the

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> 12th

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> house from Karakamsa in the Navamsa chart (not in

> > > the

> > > > > rasi

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> chart

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> with the rasi of karakamsa considering as the

> > > karakamsa

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> lagna). I am

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> a deep devotee of Goddess Parvathi (represented

> by

> > > > > Chandra)

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> and

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> Goddess Lakshmi (represented by Sukra). If the

> > > karakamsa

> > > > > is

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> brought

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> to the Rasi chart, this cannot be explained. The

> > > sequence

> > > > > > > of

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> my life

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> events are better explained only if I consider

> > > karakamsa

> > > > > > > lagna

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> in

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> the navamsa chart; I am not discounting Pradeep's

> > > opinion

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> here; I am

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> just saying that both approaches need to be

> > > considered on

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> chart,

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> and a composite opinion be formed, as Sri KN Rao

> > > always

> > > > > > > says.

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> On the other hand, considering the specific rasi

> in

> > > the

> > > > > > > Rasi

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> chart

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> that holds karakamsa as the karakamsa lagna, my

> > > Sukra is

> > > > > in

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> the 4th

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> house indicating my possession of a nice

> beautiful

> > > house,

> > > > > > > and

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> education/skills in arts (in addition to other

> > > > > traditional

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> education).

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> I am bringing this to both your knowledge only to

> > > > > summarize

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> that

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> both your theories give results; but not

> > > necessarily in

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> isolation of

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> the other.

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> Thanks for all your contribution.

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> Best regards,

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> Satya S Kolachina

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>

> > > <%40>

> > > > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> Dear Pradeep,

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> I can not comment on views of either Sanjay or

> K.

> > > N.

> > > > > Rao.

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> First

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> there is

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> no difference in the meaning of Amsha and

> Amshaka

> > > though

> > > > > > > it

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> is

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> perhaps

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> being confused. It also needs to be remembered

> > > that in

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> astrological

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> translations many a times words are to be

> > > understood in

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> context that

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> they used. So we find Parashara mentioning

> > > karakamsha

> > > > > and

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> Swamsha

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> in

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> alternate lines (almost) while indicating the

> > > results of

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> occupation of

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> Karakamsha by Sun etc. and many other places in

> > > > > karakamsha

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> adhyaaya.

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> This does not mean he is speaking about two

> > > different

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> parameters.

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> I

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> think if any Sanskrit scholar who is also well

> > > versed in

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> interpretation

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> of astrological texts will confirm this

> contention

> > > of

> > > > > mine

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> if he

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> is

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> watching this discussion.

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> If you want my personal opinion, I think that

> the

> > > > > results

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> indicated on

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> the basis of Karakamsha without reference to the

> > > > > potential

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> promised by

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> the rasi chart and the strength derived by the

> > > grahas in

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> rasi

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> chart,

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> through the Navamsha chart, are not likely to

> > > > > > > materialize. I

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> hope

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> this

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> opinion of mine does not create a big storm in

> the

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> discussion on

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> the

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> list. But this is my personal opinion, for

> > > whatever it

> > > > > is

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> worth.

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> Take care,

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> vijayadas_pradeep wrote:

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> Dear Chandrashekhar ji and Respected members

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> Shri Sanjay Rath clearly says ,Amshaka is

> > > pointing to

> > > > > the

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> Rashi

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> in

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> which a graha is having amsha.He also

> > > says,Karakamsha

> > > > > has

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> one

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> meaning ,while Karakamsha KA has another

> meaning.

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> Chandrashekhar jis view is Amshaka is not

> > > pointing to

> > > > > the

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> Rashi

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> in

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> which a graha is having amsha.

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> Now Chandraekhar jis view is prudent as there

> are

> > > some

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> shlokas

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> which

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> shri Rath somehow has overlooked,contradicting

> > > his view

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> point.

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> I respect shri Rath ,but i have to tell

> > > this.Sometimes

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> answer and

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> explanations given by shri Rath are not

> preceded

> > > by

> > > > > > > proper

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>> === message truncated ===

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > > >>>>

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July 9, 2007

//Now we are talking of 2 approaches.

> a) Transits with reference to natal points.

> b) transits with reference to nakshatra points.//

Re-read above as -

b) transit with reference to Navamsha points.

, " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish

wrote:

>

> Finally nothing happens in the rashi chart too.

> That is history. The Rashi charts just give the

> pointers the degrees of the natal planets,

> and the Navamsha points, of these degrees, which again

> is converted into degrees for transit purpose and

> observations, and all this happens in the

> sky above.

>

> Now we are talking of 2 approaches.

> a) Transits with reference to natal points.

> b) transits with reference to nakshatra points.

>

> And aspects also same

>

> a) In natal Chart.

> b) In navamsha Chart ????

>

> So back to square one.

>

> regards,

> Bhaskar.

>

> , " vijayadas_pradeep "

> <vijayadas_pradeep@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Chandrashekhar ji

> >

> > Thanks for the info regarding sphuta.As you see i too was thinking

> > and generally referring to exact conjunction,but navamsha sector was

> > given by Bhaskar ji.

> >

> > Thus as you see,it is pointing to exact conjunction of transiting

> > planet,with navamsha lord of a bhavalord or planet.

> >

> > Yes ,i can understand,your feelings.But still you may tell them that

> > these are happening in rashi chakra so that people who are wrong

> > understandings,will trust.

> >

> > I somehow feel,some feel that who is talking has all importance and

> > what is being said has no importance.This is not the case.

> >

> > Respect

> > Pradeep

> >

> > , Chandrashekhar

> > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Pradeep,

> > >

> > > Your understanding of the transit over a certain degree is right.

> > But

> > > you have perhaps some confusion about the applicability of the nadi

> > > principles. it talks about the sphuta of the navamshesha. That is

> > the

> > > exact degree of the lord of navamsha occupied by a bhava lord. I

> > trust

> > > this is clear.

> > >

> > > I am as much a student of astrology as anybody else and do not

> > claim to

> > > be more knowledgeable than others. I might have corrected a wrong

> > > interpretation of some principle, on the basis of the principle as

> > > understood by me earlier but with the type of language flying on

> > the

> > > list and challenges being thrown around, I have no wish to do so.

> > >

> > > Take care,

> > > Chandrashekhar.

> > >

> > > vijayadas_pradeep wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Chandrashekhar ji

> > > >

> > > > Navamshesha of a bhava lord.Say my lagna lord is Guru.Its

> > > > navamshesha is Mercury.Mercury will be in some navamsha.It is in

> > > > Makara rashi in my case.Within Makara it is in Leo navamsha.As far

> > > > as i have seen the usage of amsha transits,one has to see the

> > > > transit from Leo rashi.I have explained this in the mother/father

> > > > navamsha/dwadashamsha shloka.

> > > >

> > > > Now there is another principle.In that you have to see whether a

> > > > planet is transiting the exact degrees of its placement.transiting

> > > > amshas is identical to it.

> > > >

> > > > In my case if a planet say saturn is transiting makara rashi,leo

> > > > amsha(as you have quoted) that is a 3.2 degree sector within

> > makara

> > > > rashi,certain results can be predicted.

> > > >

> > > > It is physical transit exactly over my natal mercury's 3.2 degree

> > > > span.

> > > >

> > > > How is this physical transit over natal rashi justifying bhavas in

> > > > navamsha chakra.You are a learned scholar and you have to correct

> > > > them if some one is making mistakes.

> > > >

> > > > Respect

> > > > Pradeep

> > > >

> > > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar

> > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Pradeep,

> > > > >

> > > > > I do not know whether you have read Chandrakalanadi Sanskrit

> > > > shlokas,

> > > > > but the reference to transit identical with the amshas of the

> > > > > navamshesha of a bhava lord is clearly given therein. So

> > Prafulla

> > > > is right.

> > > > >

> > > > > For the record, Garga was not considered sage like but was a

> > sage

> > > > well

> > > > > respected by even Parashara himself.

> > > > >

> > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > >

> > > > > vijayadas_pradeep wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Prafulla ji

> > > > > >

> > > > > > If you may note,there were couple of cases similar to what you

> > > > > > talk,where Chandrashsekhar ji feels those as aspects in varga

> > > > > > chakras.Those cases are clealry explained in

> > > > Dashadhayayi.Moreover

> > > > > > Chandrashekhar ji had different opinion on kemadruma and

> > > > > > chandranavmshaka rashi.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Those cases too were explined not onlyin dashadhayayi but by

> > > > sagelike

> > > > > > figures,Garga,Jeevasharma and sruthakeerthi.Those were not

> > > > english

> > > > > > translations as you have given from Devakeralam.But in

> > Sanskrit

> > > > with

> > > > > > clear reeference to rashi.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Thus ,the basic principle is amshas and amshakas roots back to

> > > > > > rashis.Within a Rashi we have amshas of other rashis.For the

> > same

> > > > > > reason amshas and rashis are lorded by same planet.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > So what you are saying have to read in Rashi chart.Transits

> > can

> > > > only

> > > > > > be seen w.r to Rashi chart.How do you find navamsha

> > > > rashi.Whether you

> > > > > > see it from 3.2 degre sector or from a full navamshaka

> > > > rashi,they are

> > > > > > both pointing to Rashi chakra.Thus for transits there is no

> > > > amiguity

> > > > > > at all.You can ask any Jyotishi.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Regds

> > > > > > Pradeep

> > > > > >

> > > > <%40>

> > > > > > <%40>, Prafulla Gang

> > <jyotish@>

> > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Pradeep,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > many thanks for your pointer.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Well, kalyan Varma must have hinted at partial aspect -

> > while

> > > > > > referring to D chart aspect. let me search for reference in

> > > > Saravali

> > > > > > and also search for Shri Rohini Ranjan's opinion (which

> > certainly

> > > > > > carries more weight than my layman's opinion ) and revert

> > back.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I quote another reference:

> > > > > > > Satyacharya:

> > > > > > > " " As mercury and venus are in kendra (i.e. angular rashis)

> > in

> > > > the

> > > > > > navamsa chakra from each other, the native possess Vahanas

> > > > > > (conveyances). "

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > There are huge references in Deva Keralam - on use of D9

> > chart

> > > > in

> > > > > > transit analysis as well natal analysis - where aspects are

> > > > referred

> > > > > > and navamsa chakras are referred.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > BPHS in current version - may not be conclusive astrology

> > > > document;

> > > > > > as many equally respectable sages - have referred the use of D

> > > > charts

> > > > > > and aspects therein.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > regards / Prafulla Gang

> > > > > > > http://www.prafulla.net <http://www.prafulla.net>

> > > > <http://www.prafulla.net <http://www.prafulla.net>>

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > " Men who never get carried away should be. "

> > > > > > > ************************************************

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > vijayadas_pradeep@

> > > > > > > > Fri, 06 Jul 2007 22:04:44 -0000

> > > > > > > >

> > > > <%40>

> > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > Re: Why Navamsa Chart is so

> > important?

> > > > > > Quarter/Half

> > > > > > > > aspects

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Prafulla ji

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > The mentioned aspects are clearly for placement in

> > > > Rashis.Please

> > > > > > > > check Saravali again.Also in another chapter Kalyan Varma

> > > > clearly

> > > > > > > > mentions about every planet having ,quarter aspect,half

> > > > aspect

> > > > > > > > etc,apart from full aspect.Thus it is pretty clear that

> > > > these are

> > > > > > non-

> > > > > > > > full aspects in rashi chart.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Shri Ranjan did raise this question before and

> > > > Chandrashekhar ji

> > > > > > too

> > > > > > > > had given similr explanations.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Regds

> > > > > > > > Pradeep

> > > > > > > >

> > > > <%40>

> > > > > > <%40>, Prafulla Gang

> > <jyotish@>

> > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > >> Dear Pradeep,

> > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > >> Another important issue - In D9 charts reference - kalyan

> > > > Varma

> > > > > > has

> > > > > > > > given hints for results for Sun aspecting venus; or

> > mercury

> > > > > > aspecting

> > > > > > > > venus. Since they can never " aspect " in Rashi Kundli - the

> > > > obvious

> > > > > > > > reference was to Navamsa " chart " .

> > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > >> I do not think, kalyan varma can be treated at par with

> > > > current

> > > > > > age

> > > > > > > > scholars !!

> > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > >> regards / Prafulla Gang

> > > > > > > >> http://www.prafulla.net <http://www.prafulla.net>

> > > > <http://www.prafulla.net <http://www.prafulla.net>>

> > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > >> " Men who never get carried away should be. "

> > > > > > > >> ************************************************

> > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > > >>> jyotish@

> > > > > > > >>> Thu, 5 Jul 2007 20:23:15 -0800

> > > > > > > >>>

> > > > <%40>

> > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > >>> Re: Why Navamsa Chart is so

> > > > important?

> > > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > > >>> Dear Sreenadh ji

> > > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > > >>> Well - who knows the truth? - Should the person making

> > > > comment,

> > > > > > be

> > > > > > > >>> construed to be as truth seeker - until they prove with

> > the

> > > > > > > > application

> > > > > > > >>> of the principles on the charts ( both ways - firstly

> > the

> > > > wrong

> > > > > > > >>> application of others; and secondly how to read in

> > correct

> > > > way).

> > > > > > > >>> Theorists without predictive support - has little

> > > > relevance in

> > > > > > > > jyotish.

> > > > > > > >>> But yes - if you can justify your statements by case

> > > > studies -

> > > > > > > > then at

> > > > > > > >>> least, I will hear with open mind.

> > > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > > >>> Understandably, I have been quoted to be " blind " to

> > > > > > commentaries -

> > > > > > > > but my

> > > > > > > >>> submission is that - give me one reason to accept the

> > views

> > > > > > > > of " less read

> > > > > > > >>> scholars " than to " well read scholars like Late

> > > > Santhanam / Shri

> > > > > > > > KN Rao /

> > > > > > > >>> Shri Sanjay rath / many others " . and More so - as I do

> > > > > > > > not " pretend " to

> > > > > > > >>> know the sanskrit and do not " waste " my time on " shloka

> > > > > > business "

> > > > > > > > with my

> > > > > > > >>> " incomplete knowledge " . So I am happy to be following

> > > > better

> > > > > > > > quality

> > > > > > > >>> commentaries - who are expalining with the case studies.

> > > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > > >>> Of course - each one makes his choice.

> > > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > > >>> regards / Prafulla Gang

> > > > > > > >>> http://www.prafulla.net <http://www.prafulla.net>

> > > > <http://www.prafulla.net <http://www.prafulla.net>>

> > > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > > >>> " Men who never get carried away should be. "

> > > > > > > >>> ************************************************

> > > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > > >>>>

> > > > > > > >>>> sreesog@

> > > > > > > >>>> Thu, 05 Jul 2007 07:00:31 -0000

> > > > > > > >>>>

> > > > <%40>

> > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > >>>> Re: Why Navamsa Chart is so

> > > > important?

> > > > > > > >>>>

> > > > > > > >>>> Dear Prafulla ji,

> > > > > > > >>>> * Even if those things are not there in ancient texts

> > > > every

> > > > > > one

> > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > >>>> free to make or follow there own choice - yes, there is

> > > > every

> > > > > > > > chance

> > > > > > > >>>> that even such new methods might give true results -

> > your

> > > > > > > > argument is

> > > > > > > >>>> right.

> > > > > > > >>>> * As far Sanskrit is concerned: Yes, it is your

> > choice -

> > > > when

> > > > > > > > you

> > > > > > > >>>> are blind to read and understand Sanskrit your self,

> > and

> > > > > > > > understand

> > > > > > > >>>> what is there and what not, of course you have to

> > follow

> > > > > > someone

> > > > > > > > who

> > > > > > > >>>> says they see - you are right in that as well.

> > > > > > > >>>> Love,

> > > > > > > >>>> Sreenadh

> > > > > > > >>>>

> > > > <%40>

> > > > > > <%40>, Prafulla Gang

> > <jyotish@>

> > > > > > > >>>> wrote:

> > > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > > >>>>> Well Sreenadh ji - at times, these issues become

> > choice

> > > > or

> > > > > > > >>>> prejudices in our own form of reading model. Had there

> > > > not been

> > > > > > > > any

> > > > > > > >>>> substance in interpreting D9 charts - lot many

> > stalwarts

> > > > must

> > > > > > not

> > > > > > > >>>> have explored it - and I presume - many of them know

> > > > better

> > > > > > > >>>> sanskrit / jyotish (rather both) than all of us on the

> > > > forum

> > > > > > > >>>> collectively. So if at all - anyone wish to contest the

> > > > > > > >>>> interpretation - then many of those stalwarts are the

> > > > people -

> > > > > > > > must

> > > > > > > >>>> be debated with. On the forum, where not many great

> > > > sanskrit

> > > > > > > >>>> scholars / jyotish researchers - the arguments may not

> > > > have any

> > > > > > > >>>> relevance.

> > > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > > >>>>> regards / Prafulla Gang

> > > > > > > >>>>> http://www.prafulla.net <http://www.prafulla.net>

> > > > <http://www.prafulla.net <http://www.prafulla.net>>

> > > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > > >>>>> " The right to be heard does not automatically include

> > the

> > > > > > right

> > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > >>>> be taken seriously. "

> > > > > > > >>>>> ************************************************

> > > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > > > >>>>>> sreesog@

> > > > > > > >>>>>> Tue, 03 Jul 2007 13:56:36 -0000

> > > > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > <%40>

> > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > >>>>>> Re: Why Navamsa Chart is so

> > > > important?

> > > > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > > > >>>>>> Dear Prafulla ji,

> > > > > > > >>>>>> * No ancient text ask us to read Navamsha (not

> > > > chart) " just

> > > > > > > > like

> > > > > > > >>>> D1

> > > > > > > >>>>>> chart " ; nor they provide slokas for the same.

> > > > > > > >>>>>> * No ancient text provide as the results

> > for " aspects of

> > > > > > > > planets

> > > > > > > >>>> in

> > > > > > > >>>>>> Navamasa "

> > > > > > > >>>>>> * Nor they give us the results to be predicted when

> > > > planets

> > > > > > > > are

> > > > > > > >>>>>> placed " x house with reference to navamsa lagna "

> > > > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > > > >>>>>> I hope we are trying to study astrology as taught by

> > the

> > > > > > > > sages;

> > > > > > > >>>> If

> > > > > > > >>>>>> not I don't have anything to say.

> > > > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > > > >>>>>> Love,

> > > > > > > >>>>>> Sreenadh

> > > > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > <%40>

> > > > > > <%40>, Prafulla Gang

> > <jyotish@>

> > > > > > > >>>>>> wrote:

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>

> > > > > > > >>>>>>> Dear Sreenadh ji

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>

> > > > > > > >>>>>>> I have also observed many jyotish stalwarts using

> > > > navamsa

> > > > > > > > chart

> > > > > > > >>>>>> (along with other D charts). Now how to assess D9

> > > > charts -

> > > > > > > > can be

> > > > > > > >>>>>> perspective. But - as most authors say - just like D1

> > > > chart.

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>

> > > > > > > >>>>>>> I request members to share their experience.

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>

> > > > > > > >>>>>>> regards / Prafulla Gang

> > > > > > > >>>>>>> http://www.prafulla.net <http://www.prafulla.net>

> > > > <http://www.prafulla.net <http://www.prafulla.net>>

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>

> > > > > > > >>>>>>> " The right to be heard does not automatically

> > include

> > > > the

> > > > > > > > right

> > > > > > > >>>> to

> > > > > > > >>>>>> be taken seriously. "

> > > > > > > >>>>>>> ************************************************

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> sreesog@

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> Tue, 03 Jul 2007 07:56:49 -0000

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>

> > > > <%40>

> > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> Re: Why Navamsa Chart is so

> > > > > > important?

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> Dear Krishna ji,

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> ==>

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> I too to the view that Navamsa chart is

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> as important as Rasi chart.

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> <==

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> * There is not Navamsa " chart " , but only Navamsa.

> > > > Navamsa

> > > > > > > > chart

> > > > > > > >>>>>> is

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> not as important as Rasi chart and it can never be,

> > > > because

> > > > > > > > it

> > > > > > > >>>> is

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> only an amsa. But yes, it is more important than

> > other

> > > > > > amsas

> > > > > > > > due

> > > > > > > >>>>>> to

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> the prior said reasons.

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> ==>

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> - Why strength of a planet is Navamsa determines

> > the

> > > > > > overall

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> strength of a planet?

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> <==

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> * Because the quality of earth determines the

> > > > strength of

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> plant. This is applicable to all amsas as per their

> > > > > > > > importance.

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> ==>

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> - Why it is allowed to consider aspects in Navamsa

> > > > chart

> > > > > > > > like

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> aspects in a Rasi chart?

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> <==

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> * No, it is not allowed to consider aspects in

> > > > Navamsa.

> > > > > > > > (There

> > > > > > > >>>>>> is

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> no navamsa 'chart'.)

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> ==>

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> - Why sambandha of planets in Navamsa chart can be

> > > > treated

> > > > > > > > as

> > > > > > > >>>> if

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> the planets have a sambandha in Rasi chart?

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> <==

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> * No, when planets have sambandha in Navamsa, it

> > only

> > > > > > means

> > > > > > > >>>> that.

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> When they have sombandha in Rasi, it only means

> > that.

> > > > It is

> > > > > > > >>>> wrong

> > > > > > > >>>>>> to

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> mix the two.

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> ==>

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> - Why yogas should be looked at in navamsa chart

> > as

> > > > well?

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> <==

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> * No, Yogas should not be looked in

> > Navamsa 'chart'.

> > > > But

> > > > > > yes

> > > > > > > >>>>>> yoga in

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> Navamsa (not navamsa 'chart') can be taken yoga.

> > > > Because it

> > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > >>>> the

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> same principles as used in Rasi that are used to

> > > > predict

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > >>>>>> result

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> in Amsas as well - But Aspect(Drishti) and houses

> > are

> > > > not

> > > > > > > >>>>>> applicable

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> to amsas. Both Aspect(Drishti) and Houses should be

> > > > > > > > considered

> > > > > > > >>>> in

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> Rasi chart itself. Any reference in ancient texts

> > > > about

> > > > > > > > aspect

> > > > > > > >>>> or

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> houses essentially mean that they are referring to

> > > > Rasi

> > > > > > > > chart.

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> Love,

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> Sreenadh

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>

> > > > <%40>

> > > > > > <%40>, Krishnamurthy

> > > > > > Seetharama

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> <krishna_1998@> wrote:

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> Dear Kolachina ji,

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> It was interesting to read your comments on

> > > > importance of

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> Navamsa chart. I too to the view that

> > > > Navamsa

> > > > > > > > chart

> > > > > > > >>>> is

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> as important as Rasi chart. This is based on my

> > > > experience

> > > > > > > > so

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> far reading charts. However, I have still not

> > > > understood

> > > > > > > > what

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> are the fundamental reasons for a varga chart

> > being

> > > > so

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> important.

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> - Why strength of a planet is Navamsa determines

> > the

> > > > > > overall

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> strength of a planet?

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> - Why it is allowed to consider aspects in Navamsa

> > > > chart

> > > > > > > > like

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> aspects in a Rasi chart?

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> - Why sambandha of planets in Navamsa chart can be

> > > > treated

> > > > > > > > as

> > > > > > > >>>> if

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> the planets have a sambandha in Rasi chart?

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> - Why yogas should be looked at in navamsa chart

> > as

> > > > well?

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> By looking at the kind of importance given to

> > Navamsa

> > > > > > > > chart, it

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> appears that the Rasi chart and Navamsa chart make

> > > > up two

> > > > > > > > equal

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> halves representing the native.

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> I have no doubts about the importance of Navamsa

> > > > Chart.

> > > > > > > > What I

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> would like to know is why Navamsa gains such an

> > > > > > importance?

> > > > > > > >>>> What

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> are the fundamental reasons? After all it is one

> > of

> > > > many

> > > > > > > > varga

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> charts!

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> Regards,

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> Krishna

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> --- Satya Sai Kolachina <skolachi@> wrote:

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> Dear Sri Pradeep and Sri Chandrasekhar,

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> I have been following this thread on karakamsa

> > and

> > > > both

> > > > > > of

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> your

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> contributions.

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> I whole-heartedly appreciate both of you for your

> > > > > > valuable

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> inputs

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> you are providing to the astrological community.

> > I

> > > > would

> > > > > > > > like

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> to

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> share my opinion (through my own experience).

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> Considering Karakamsa from either Rasi or Navamsa

> > > > chart

> > > > > > > > alone

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> most

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> probably leads to erroneous results, as I found

> > > > both the

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> approaches

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> working. I see the point Pradeep is making as

> > very

> > > > > > > > valuable;

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> at the

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> same time I am not against using Navamsa chart as

> > > > > > separate

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> chart (of

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> course without losing the context of the Rasi

> > > > chart),

> > > > > > since

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> any of

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> the varga charts will not give independent

> > results

> > > > if the

> > > > > > > > Rasi

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> chart

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> is ignored, as they themselves do not exist if

> > the

> > > > Rasi

> > > > > > > > chart

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> doesn't exist. In fact Sri KN Rao also mentioned

> > in

> > > > > > several

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> occassions in many of his articles and books that

> > > > yogas

> > > > > > > > viewed

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> in

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> the Rasi chart should also exist in the Navamsa

> > > > chart for

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> confirming

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> the results. If we do not see the Navamsa chart

> > as a

> > > > > > > > separate

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> chart,

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> how can we see the yogas therein? For the

> > purpose of

> > > > > > > > checking

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> some

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> yogas, Yuti and Veekshana (conjunction and

> > aspects)

> > > > in

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> navamsa

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> chart make sense. This kind of yuti or veekshana

> > > > should

> > > > > > be

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> considered on a hypothetical level (as mutual

> > > > influence

> > > > > > at

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> amsha level) rather than being within a 30 deg.

> > > > span. of

> > > > > > > > Rasi.

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> Take an example. If a planet is exlated or in own

> > > > house

> > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> rasi

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> chart and attains debilitation in the Navamsa

> > > > chart, it

> > > > > > is

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> condiered

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> as weakening of the actual strength shown in the

> > > > Rasi.

> > > > > > Why

> > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> this

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> considered so? It is considered like that

> > because,

> > > > even

> > > > > > > > though

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> the

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> planet is within its own or exlated rasi, still

> > its

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> positioning

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> within that particular sector (here navamsa) has

> > > > weakened

> > > > > > > > it;

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> means,

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> within its own rasi, this particular sector is

> > the

> > > > > > weakest

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> point for

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> the planet within the strongest rasi; hence it

> > > > loses its

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> strength

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> considerably. This means there is a gradation of

> > > > > > strengths

> > > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> the

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> planet from first navamsa to the last navamsa.

> > The

> > > > > > navamsa

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> position

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> of a planet, thus indicates its refined placement

> > > > within

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> rasi.

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> In fact, Sri KN Rao also gives equal weightage to

> > > > both

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> Rasi and

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> Navamsa placement of a planet. If a planet is

> > weak

> > > > in one

> > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> them

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> that means half the weightage is lost. We may not

> > > > give

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> same

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> level of treatment to other vargas as we give to

> > > > Navamsa;

> > > > > > > > but

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> Navamsa is as important as the Rasi; to the

> > extent

> > > > that

> > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > can

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> be

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> viewed as an independent chart (to confirm the

> > > > promise

> > > > > > > > given

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> by the

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> rasi chart).

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> Without a confirmation of Navamsa chart, yogas in

> > > > the

> > > > > > rasi

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> chart

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> alone cannot and will not give expected results;

> > I

> > > > have

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> observed

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> this phenomenon in several charts.

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> My own experience is; I have Chandra and Sukra

> > both

> > > > in

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> 12th

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> house from Karakamsa in the Navamsa chart (not in

> > > > the

> > > > > > rasi

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> chart

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> with the rasi of karakamsa considering as the

> > > > karakamsa

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> lagna). I am

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> a deep devotee of Goddess Parvathi (represented

> > by

> > > > > > Chandra)

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> and

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> Goddess Lakshmi (represented by Sukra). If the

> > > > karakamsa

> > > > > > is

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> brought

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> to the Rasi chart, this cannot be explained. The

> > > > sequence

> > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> my life

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> events are better explained only if I consider

> > > > karakamsa

> > > > > > > > lagna

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> in

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> the navamsa chart; I am not discounting Pradeep's

> > > > opinion

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> here; I am

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> just saying that both approaches need to be

> > > > considered on

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> chart,

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> and a composite opinion be formed, as Sri KN Rao

> > > > always

> > > > > > > > says.

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> On the other hand, considering the specific rasi

> > in

> > > > the

> > > > > > > > Rasi

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> chart

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> that holds karakamsa as the karakamsa lagna, my

> > > > Sukra is

> > > > > > in

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> the 4th

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> house indicating my possession of a nice

> > beautiful

> > > > house,

> > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> education/skills in arts (in addition to other

> > > > > > traditional

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> education).

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> I am bringing this to both your knowledge only to

> > > > > > summarize

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> that

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> both your theories give results; but not

> > > > necessarily in

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> isolation of

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> the other.

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> Thanks for all your contribution.

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> Best regards,

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> Satya S Kolachina

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>

> > > > <%40>

> > > > > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> Dear Pradeep,

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> I can not comment on views of either Sanjay or

> > K.

> > > > N.

> > > > > > Rao.

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> First

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> there is

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> no difference in the meaning of Amsha and

> > Amshaka

> > > > though

> > > > > > > > it

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> is

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> perhaps

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> being confused. It also needs to be remembered

> > > > that in

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> astrological

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> translations many a times words are to be

> > > > understood in

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> context that

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> they used. So we find Parashara mentioning

> > > > karakamsha

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> Swamsha

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> in

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> alternate lines (almost) while indicating the

> > > > results of

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> occupation of

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> Karakamsha by Sun etc. and many other places in

> > > > > > karakamsha

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> adhyaaya.

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> This does not mean he is speaking about two

> > > > different

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> parameters.

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> I

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> think if any Sanskrit scholar who is also well

> > > > versed in

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> interpretation

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> of astrological texts will confirm this

> > contention

> > > > of

> > > > > > mine

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> if he

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> is

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> watching this discussion.

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> If you want my personal opinion, I think that

> > the

> > > > > > results

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> indicated on

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> the basis of Karakamsha without reference to the

> > > > > > potential

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> promised by

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> the rasi chart and the strength derived by the

> > > > grahas in

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> rasi

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> chart,

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> through the Navamsha chart, are not likely to

> > > > > > > > materialize. I

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> hope

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> this

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> opinion of mine does not create a big storm in

> > the

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> discussion on

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> the

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> list. But this is my personal opinion, for

> > > > whatever it

> > > > > > is

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> worth.

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> Take care,

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> vijayadas_pradeep wrote:

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> Dear Chandrashekhar ji and Respected members

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> Shri Sanjay Rath clearly says ,Amshaka is

> > > > pointing to

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> Rashi

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> in

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> which a graha is having amsha.He also

> > > > says,Karakamsha

> > > > > > has

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> one

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> meaning ,while Karakamsha KA has another

> > meaning.

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> Chandrashekhar jis view is Amshaka is not

> > > > pointing to

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> Rashi

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> in

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> which a graha is having amsha.

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> Now Chandraekhar jis view is prudent as there

> > are

> > > > some

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> shlokas

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> which

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> shri Rath somehow has overlooked,contradicting

> > > > his view

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> point.

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> I respect shri Rath ,but i have to tell

> > > > this.Sometimes

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> answer and

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> explanations given by shri Rath are not

> > preceded

> > > > by

> > > > > > > > proper

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> === message truncated ===

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>

> > > > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > > > >>>>

> > > > > > > >

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> > platform=120121

> > > > <http://videogames./platform?platform=120121>

> > > > > > <http://videogames./platform?platform=120121

> > > > <http://videogames./platform?platform=120121>>

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>

July 9, 2007

Ultimately, all the calculations of the other Chakras,

Charts, Shadvargas , are based on the original Natal

degreecal position of the planets ,

a) At time of the birth OR

b) in the Natal Chart (One and the same thing, whether

one makes a chart or not))

and when we talk of conjunctions, aspects and transits,

it again come back, or co- relates with reference to

the a) Rasi Chakra b) Natal planetary positions at birth

(whether one makes a Rasi Chakra or not,it does not make any

difference), c) wrt the navamsha chart, whether one makes

a representation in form of graph/chart it does not make a

difference.

But there are few issues to be reckoned, when we talk of

events timings in future ,or after the birth has taken

place-

a) The natal conjunction,placements,occupations with

reference to sign position and house position , AND

when we talk of transits

a) with reference to the Navamsha chakra -whether you

prepare a chart or not, it is immaterial, the quarter

pada of transit would remain same only, which would

effect change in mans life.

b) with reference to the Natal Chart, whether one prepares

or not the chart is immaterial, the transits on

important degrees would only effect change in mans life.

c) with reference to the shadvargas, the amsa, which would

not change because again , the critical degreecal positions

of transit have been prepared, wrt the Natal positions

at birth.

We all should be discussing, how to use such important

points for predictive purposes, which will help the

people like me, to learn more from the

wise members here, like Shri Pradeepji,Shri Chandrasekharji,

Shri Prafullaji and the others whom I have not named.

I would be more interested, not in what is right or wrong,

with respect to the ancient wisdome, or interpretation of

the same, but how to use your knowledge which you have learnt

from your interpretation,when i sit down to read charts in

future, for the natives who come for help,to me.

I mean THE APPLICATION PART.

regards,

Bhaskar.

, " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish

wrote:

>

> Finally nothing happens in the rashi chart too.

> That is history. The Rashi charts just give the

> pointers the degrees of the natal planets,

> and the Navamsha points, of these degrees, which again

> is converted into degrees for transit purpose and

> observations, and all this happens in the

> sky above.

>

> Now we are talking of 2 approaches.

> a) Transits with reference to natal points.

> b) transits with reference to nakshatra points.

>

> And aspects also same

>

> a) In natal Chart.

> b) In navamsha Chart ????

>

> So back to square one.

>

> regards,

> Bhaskar.

>

> , " vijayadas_pradeep "

> <vijayadas_pradeep@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Chandrashekhar ji

> >

> > Thanks for the info regarding sphuta.As you see i too was thinking

> > and generally referring to exact conjunction,but navamsha sector was

> > given by Bhaskar ji.

> >

> > Thus as you see,it is pointing to exact conjunction of transiting

> > planet,with navamsha lord of a bhavalord or planet.

> >

> > Yes ,i can understand,your feelings.But still you may tell them that

> > these are happening in rashi chakra so that people who are wrong

> > understandings,will trust.

> >

> > I somehow feel,some feel that who is talking has all importance and

> > what is being said has no importance.This is not the case.

> >

> > Respect

> > Pradeep

> >

> > , Chandrashekhar

> > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Pradeep,

> > >

> > > Your understanding of the transit over a certain degree is right.

> > But

> > > you have perhaps some confusion about the applicability of the nadi

> > > principles. it talks about the sphuta of the navamshesha. That is

> > the

> > > exact degree of the lord of navamsha occupied by a bhava lord. I

> > trust

> > > this is clear.

> > >

> > > I am as much a student of astrology as anybody else and do not

> > claim to

> > > be more knowledgeable than others. I might have corrected a wrong

> > > interpretation of some principle, on the basis of the principle as

> > > understood by me earlier but with the type of language flying on

> > the

> > > list and challenges being thrown around, I have no wish to do so.

> > >

> > > Take care,

> > > Chandrashekhar.

> > >

> > > vijayadas_pradeep wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Chandrashekhar ji

> > > >

> > > > Navamshesha of a bhava lord.Say my lagna lord is Guru.Its

> > > > navamshesha is Mercury.Mercury will be in some navamsha.It is in

> > > > Makara rashi in my case.Within Makara it is in Leo navamsha.As far

> > > > as i have seen the usage of amsha transits,one has to see the

> > > > transit from Leo rashi.I have explained this in the mother/father

> > > > navamsha/dwadashamsha shloka.

> > > >

> > > > Now there is another principle.In that you have to see whether a

> > > > planet is transiting the exact degrees of its placement.transiting

> > > > amshas is identical to it.

> > > >

> > > > In my case if a planet say saturn is transiting makara rashi,leo

> > > > amsha(as you have quoted) that is a 3.2 degree sector within

> > makara

> > > > rashi,certain results can be predicted.

> > > >

> > > > It is physical transit exactly over my natal mercury's 3.2 degree

> > > > span.

> > > >

> > > > How is this physical transit over natal rashi justifying bhavas in

> > > > navamsha chakra.You are a learned scholar and you have to correct

> > > > them if some one is making mistakes.

> > > >

> > > > Respect

> > > > Pradeep

> > > >

> > > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar

> > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Pradeep,

> > > > >

> > > > > I do not know whether you have read Chandrakalanadi Sanskrit

> > > > shlokas,

> > > > > but the reference to transit identical with the amshas of the

> > > > > navamshesha of a bhava lord is clearly given therein. So

> > Prafulla

> > > > is right.

> > > > >

> > > > > For the record, Garga was not considered sage like but was a

> > sage

> > > > well

> > > > > respected by even Parashara himself.

> > > > >

> > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > >

> > > > > vijayadas_pradeep wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Prafulla ji

> > > > > >

> > > > > > If you may note,there were couple of cases similar to what you

> > > > > > talk,where Chandrashsekhar ji feels those as aspects in varga

> > > > > > chakras.Those cases are clealry explained in

> > > > Dashadhayayi.Moreover

> > > > > > Chandrashekhar ji had different opinion on kemadruma and

> > > > > > chandranavmshaka rashi.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Those cases too were explined not onlyin dashadhayayi but by

> > > > sagelike

> > > > > > figures,Garga,Jeevasharma and sruthakeerthi.Those were not

> > > > english

> > > > > > translations as you have given from Devakeralam.But in

> > Sanskrit

> > > > with

> > > > > > clear reeference to rashi.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Thus ,the basic principle is amshas and amshakas roots back to

> > > > > > rashis.Within a Rashi we have amshas of other rashis.For the

> > same

> > > > > > reason amshas and rashis are lorded by same planet.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > So what you are saying have to read in Rashi chart.Transits

> > can

> > > > only

> > > > > > be seen w.r to Rashi chart.How do you find navamsha

> > > > rashi.Whether you

> > > > > > see it from 3.2 degre sector or from a full navamshaka

> > > > rashi,they are

> > > > > > both pointing to Rashi chakra.Thus for transits there is no

> > > > amiguity

> > > > > > at all.You can ask any Jyotishi.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Regds

> > > > > > Pradeep

> > > > > >

> > > > <%40>

> > > > > > <%40>, Prafulla Gang

> > <jyotish@>

> > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Pradeep,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > many thanks for your pointer.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Well, kalyan Varma must have hinted at partial aspect -

> > while

> > > > > > referring to D chart aspect. let me search for reference in

> > > > Saravali

> > > > > > and also search for Shri Rohini Ranjan's opinion (which

> > certainly

> > > > > > carries more weight than my layman's opinion ) and revert

> > back.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I quote another reference:

> > > > > > > Satyacharya:

> > > > > > > " " As mercury and venus are in kendra (i.e. angular rashis)

> > in

> > > > the

> > > > > > navamsa chakra from each other, the native possess Vahanas

> > > > > > (conveyances). "

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > There are huge references in Deva Keralam - on use of D9

> > chart

> > > > in

> > > > > > transit analysis as well natal analysis - where aspects are

> > > > referred

> > > > > > and navamsa chakras are referred.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > BPHS in current version - may not be conclusive astrology

> > > > document;

> > > > > > as many equally respectable sages - have referred the use of D

> > > > charts

> > > > > > and aspects therein.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > regards / Prafulla Gang

> > > > > > > http://www.prafulla.net <http://www.prafulla.net>

> > > > <http://www.prafulla.net <http://www.prafulla.net>>

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > " Men who never get carried away should be. "

> > > > > > > ************************************************

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > vijayadas_pradeep@

> > > > > > > > Fri, 06 Jul 2007 22:04:44 -0000

> > > > > > > >

> > > > <%40>

> > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > Re: Why Navamsa Chart is so

> > important?

> > > > > > Quarter/Half

> > > > > > > > aspects

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Prafulla ji

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > The mentioned aspects are clearly for placement in

> > > > Rashis.Please

> > > > > > > > check Saravali again.Also in another chapter Kalyan Varma

> > > > clearly

> > > > > > > > mentions about every planet having ,quarter aspect,half

> > > > aspect

> > > > > > > > etc,apart from full aspect.Thus it is pretty clear that

> > > > these are

> > > > > > non-

> > > > > > > > full aspects in rashi chart.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Shri Ranjan did raise this question before and

> > > > Chandrashekhar ji

> > > > > > too

> > > > > > > > had given similr explanations.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Regds

> > > > > > > > Pradeep

> > > > > > > >

> > > > <%40>

> > > > > > <%40>, Prafulla Gang

> > <jyotish@>

> > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > >> Dear Pradeep,

> > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > >> Another important issue - In D9 charts reference - kalyan

> > > > Varma

> > > > > > has

> > > > > > > > given hints for results for Sun aspecting venus; or

> > mercury

> > > > > > aspecting

> > > > > > > > venus. Since they can never " aspect " in Rashi Kundli - the

> > > > obvious

> > > > > > > > reference was to Navamsa " chart " .

> > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > >> I do not think, kalyan varma can be treated at par with

> > > > current

> > > > > > age

> > > > > > > > scholars !!

> > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > >> regards / Prafulla Gang

> > > > > > > >> http://www.prafulla.net <http://www.prafulla.net>

> > > > <http://www.prafulla.net <http://www.prafulla.net>>

> > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > >> " Men who never get carried away should be. "

> > > > > > > >> ************************************************

> > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > > >>> jyotish@

> > > > > > > >>> Thu, 5 Jul 2007 20:23:15 -0800

> > > > > > > >>>

> > > > <%40>

> > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > >>> Re: Why Navamsa Chart is so

> > > > important?

> > > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > > >>> Dear Sreenadh ji

> > > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > > >>> Well - who knows the truth? - Should the person making

> > > > comment,

> > > > > > be

> > > > > > > >>> construed to be as truth seeker - until they prove with

> > the

> > > > > > > > application

> > > > > > > >>> of the principles on the charts ( both ways - firstly

> > the

> > > > wrong

> > > > > > > >>> application of others; and secondly how to read in

> > correct

> > > > way).

> > > > > > > >>> Theorists without predictive support - has little

> > > > relevance in

> > > > > > > > jyotish.

> > > > > > > >>> But yes - if you can justify your statements by case

> > > > studies -

> > > > > > > > then at

> > > > > > > >>> least, I will hear with open mind.

> > > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > > >>> Understandably, I have been quoted to be " blind " to

> > > > > > commentaries -

> > > > > > > > but my

> > > > > > > >>> submission is that - give me one reason to accept the

> > views

> > > > > > > > of " less read

> > > > > > > >>> scholars " than to " well read scholars like Late

> > > > Santhanam / Shri

> > > > > > > > KN Rao /

> > > > > > > >>> Shri Sanjay rath / many others " . and More so - as I do

> > > > > > > > not " pretend " to

> > > > > > > >>> know the sanskrit and do not " waste " my time on " shloka

> > > > > > business "

> > > > > > > > with my

> > > > > > > >>> " incomplete knowledge " . So I am happy to be following

> > > > better

> > > > > > > > quality

> > > > > > > >>> commentaries - who are expalining with the case studies.

> > > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > > >>> Of course - each one makes his choice.

> > > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > > >>> regards / Prafulla Gang

> > > > > > > >>> http://www.prafulla.net <http://www.prafulla.net>

> > > > <http://www.prafulla.net <http://www.prafulla.net>>

> > > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > > >>> " Men who never get carried away should be. "

> > > > > > > >>> ************************************************

> > > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > > >>>>

> > > > > > > >>>> sreesog@

> > > > > > > >>>> Thu, 05 Jul 2007 07:00:31 -0000

> > > > > > > >>>>

> > > > <%40>

> > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > >>>> Re: Why Navamsa Chart is so

> > > > important?

> > > > > > > >>>>

> > > > > > > >>>> Dear Prafulla ji,

> > > > > > > >>>> * Even if those things are not there in ancient texts

> > > > every

> > > > > > one

> > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > >>>> free to make or follow there own choice - yes, there is

> > > > every

> > > > > > > > chance

> > > > > > > >>>> that even such new methods might give true results -

> > your

> > > > > > > > argument is

> > > > > > > >>>> right.

> > > > > > > >>>> * As far Sanskrit is concerned: Yes, it is your

> > choice -

> > > > when

> > > > > > > > you

> > > > > > > >>>> are blind to read and understand Sanskrit your self,

> > and

> > > > > > > > understand

> > > > > > > >>>> what is there and what not, of course you have to

> > follow

> > > > > > someone

> > > > > > > > who

> > > > > > > >>>> says they see - you are right in that as well.

> > > > > > > >>>> Love,

> > > > > > > >>>> Sreenadh

> > > > > > > >>>>

> > > > <%40>

> > > > > > <%40>, Prafulla Gang

> > <jyotish@>

> > > > > > > >>>> wrote:

> > > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > > >>>>> Well Sreenadh ji - at times, these issues become

> > choice

> > > > or

> > > > > > > >>>> prejudices in our own form of reading model. Had there

> > > > not been

> > > > > > > > any

> > > > > > > >>>> substance in interpreting D9 charts - lot many

> > stalwarts

> > > > must

> > > > > > not

> > > > > > > >>>> have explored it - and I presume - many of them know

> > > > better

> > > > > > > >>>> sanskrit / jyotish (rather both) than all of us on the

> > > > forum

> > > > > > > >>>> collectively. So if at all - anyone wish to contest the

> > > > > > > >>>> interpretation - then many of those stalwarts are the

> > > > people -

> > > > > > > > must

> > > > > > > >>>> be debated with. On the forum, where not many great

> > > > sanskrit

> > > > > > > >>>> scholars / jyotish researchers - the arguments may not

> > > > have any

> > > > > > > >>>> relevance.

> > > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > > >>>>> regards / Prafulla Gang

> > > > > > > >>>>> http://www.prafulla.net <http://www.prafulla.net>

> > > > <http://www.prafulla.net <http://www.prafulla.net>>

> > > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > > >>>>> " The right to be heard does not automatically include

> > the

> > > > > > right

> > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > >>>> be taken seriously. "

> > > > > > > >>>>> ************************************************

> > > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > > > >>>>>> sreesog@

> > > > > > > >>>>>> Tue, 03 Jul 2007 13:56:36 -0000

> > > > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > <%40>

> > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > >>>>>> Re: Why Navamsa Chart is so

> > > > important?

> > > > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > > > >>>>>> Dear Prafulla ji,

> > > > > > > >>>>>> * No ancient text ask us to read Navamsha (not

> > > > chart) " just

> > > > > > > > like

> > > > > > > >>>> D1

> > > > > > > >>>>>> chart " ; nor they provide slokas for the same.

> > > > > > > >>>>>> * No ancient text provide as the results

> > for " aspects of

> > > > > > > > planets

> > > > > > > >>>> in

> > > > > > > >>>>>> Navamasa "

> > > > > > > >>>>>> * Nor they give us the results to be predicted when

> > > > planets

> > > > > > > > are

> > > > > > > >>>>>> placed " x house with reference to navamsa lagna "

> > > > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > > > >>>>>> I hope we are trying to study astrology as taught by

> > the

> > > > > > > > sages;

> > > > > > > >>>> If

> > > > > > > >>>>>> not I don't have anything to say.

> > > > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > > > >>>>>> Love,

> > > > > > > >>>>>> Sreenadh

> > > > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > <%40>

> > > > > > <%40>, Prafulla Gang

> > <jyotish@>

> > > > > > > >>>>>> wrote:

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>

> > > > > > > >>>>>>> Dear Sreenadh ji

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>

> > > > > > > >>>>>>> I have also observed many jyotish stalwarts using

> > > > navamsa

> > > > > > > > chart

> > > > > > > >>>>>> (along with other D charts). Now how to assess D9

> > > > charts -

> > > > > > > > can be

> > > > > > > >>>>>> perspective. But - as most authors say - just like D1

> > > > chart.

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>

> > > > > > > >>>>>>> I request members to share their experience.

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>

> > > > > > > >>>>>>> regards / Prafulla Gang

> > > > > > > >>>>>>> http://www.prafulla.net <http://www.prafulla.net>

> > > > <http://www.prafulla.net <http://www.prafulla.net>>

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>

> > > > > > > >>>>>>> " The right to be heard does not automatically

> > include

> > > > the

> > > > > > > > right

> > > > > > > >>>> to

> > > > > > > >>>>>> be taken seriously. "

> > > > > > > >>>>>>> ************************************************

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> sreesog@

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> Tue, 03 Jul 2007 07:56:49 -0000

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>

> > > > <%40>

> > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> Re: Why Navamsa Chart is so

> > > > > > important?

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> Dear Krishna ji,

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> ==>

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> I too to the view that Navamsa chart is

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> as important as Rasi chart.

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> <==

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> * There is not Navamsa " chart " , but only Navamsa.

> > > > Navamsa

> > > > > > > > chart

> > > > > > > >>>>>> is

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> not as important as Rasi chart and it can never be,

> > > > because

> > > > > > > > it

> > > > > > > >>>> is

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> only an amsa. But yes, it is more important than

> > other

> > > > > > amsas

> > > > > > > > due

> > > > > > > >>>>>> to

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> the prior said reasons.

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> ==>

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> - Why strength of a planet is Navamsa determines

> > the

> > > > > > overall

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> strength of a planet?

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> <==

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> * Because the quality of earth determines the

> > > > strength of

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> plant. This is applicable to all amsas as per their

> > > > > > > > importance.

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> ==>

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> - Why it is allowed to consider aspects in Navamsa

> > > > chart

> > > > > > > > like

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> aspects in a Rasi chart?

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> <==

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> * No, it is not allowed to consider aspects in

> > > > Navamsa.

> > > > > > > > (There

> > > > > > > >>>>>> is

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> no navamsa 'chart'.)

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> ==>

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> - Why sambandha of planets in Navamsa chart can be

> > > > treated

> > > > > > > > as

> > > > > > > >>>> if

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> the planets have a sambandha in Rasi chart?

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> <==

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> * No, when planets have sambandha in Navamsa, it

> > only

> > > > > > means

> > > > > > > >>>> that.

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> When they have sombandha in Rasi, it only means

> > that.

> > > > It is

> > > > > > > >>>> wrong

> > > > > > > >>>>>> to

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> mix the two.

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> ==>

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> - Why yogas should be looked at in navamsa chart

> > as

> > > > well?

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> <==

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> * No, Yogas should not be looked in

> > Navamsa 'chart'.

> > > > But

> > > > > > yes

> > > > > > > >>>>>> yoga in

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> Navamsa (not navamsa 'chart') can be taken yoga.

> > > > Because it

> > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > >>>> the

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> same principles as used in Rasi that are used to

> > > > predict

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > >>>>>> result

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> in Amsas as well - But Aspect(Drishti) and houses

> > are

> > > > not

> > > > > > > >>>>>> applicable

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> to amsas. Both Aspect(Drishti) and Houses should be

> > > > > > > > considered

> > > > > > > >>>> in

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> Rasi chart itself. Any reference in ancient texts

> > > > about

> > > > > > > > aspect

> > > > > > > >>>> or

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> houses essentially mean that they are referring to

> > > > Rasi

> > > > > > > > chart.

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> Love,

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> Sreenadh

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>

> > > > <%40>

> > > > > > <%40>, Krishnamurthy

> > > > > > Seetharama

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> <krishna_1998@> wrote:

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> Dear Kolachina ji,

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> It was interesting to read your comments on

> > > > importance of

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> Navamsa chart. I too to the view that

> > > > Navamsa

> > > > > > > > chart

> > > > > > > >>>> is

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> as important as Rasi chart. This is based on my

> > > > experience

> > > > > > > > so

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> far reading charts. However, I have still not

> > > > understood

> > > > > > > > what

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> are the fundamental reasons for a varga chart

> > being

> > > > so

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> important.

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> - Why strength of a planet is Navamsa determines

> > the

> > > > > > overall

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> strength of a planet?

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> - Why it is allowed to consider aspects in Navamsa

> > > > chart

> > > > > > > > like

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> aspects in a Rasi chart?

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> - Why sambandha of planets in Navamsa chart can be

> > > > treated

> > > > > > > > as

> > > > > > > >>>> if

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> the planets have a sambandha in Rasi chart?

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> - Why yogas should be looked at in navamsa chart

> > as

> > > > well?

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> By looking at the kind of importance given to

> > Navamsa

> > > > > > > > chart, it

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> appears that the Rasi chart and Navamsa chart make

> > > > up two

> > > > > > > > equal

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> halves representing the native.

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> I have no doubts about the importance of Navamsa

> > > > Chart.

> > > > > > > > What I

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> would like to know is why Navamsa gains such an

> > > > > > importance?

> > > > > > > >>>> What

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> are the fundamental reasons? After all it is one

> > of

> > > > many

> > > > > > > > varga

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> charts!

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> Regards,

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> Krishna

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> --- Satya Sai Kolachina <skolachi@> wrote:

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> Dear Sri Pradeep and Sri Chandrasekhar,

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> I have been following this thread on karakamsa

> > and

> > > > both

> > > > > > of

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> your

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> contributions.

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> I whole-heartedly appreciate both of you for your

> > > > > > valuable

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> inputs

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> you are providing to the astrological community.

> > I

> > > > would

> > > > > > > > like

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> to

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> share my opinion (through my own experience).

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> Considering Karakamsa from either Rasi or Navamsa

> > > > chart

> > > > > > > > alone

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> most

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> probably leads to erroneous results, as I found

> > > > both the

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> approaches

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> working. I see the point Pradeep is making as

> > very

> > > > > > > > valuable;

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> at the

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> same time I am not against using Navamsa chart as

> > > > > > separate

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> chart (of

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> course without losing the context of the Rasi

> > > > chart),

> > > > > > since

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> any of

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> the varga charts will not give independent

> > results

> > > > if the

> > > > > > > > Rasi

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> chart

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> is ignored, as they themselves do not exist if

> > the

> > > > Rasi

> > > > > > > > chart

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> doesn't exist. In fact Sri KN Rao also mentioned

> > in

> > > > > > several

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> occassions in many of his articles and books that

> > > > yogas

> > > > > > > > viewed

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> in

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> the Rasi chart should also exist in the Navamsa

> > > > chart for

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> confirming

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> the results. If we do not see the Navamsa chart

> > as a

> > > > > > > > separate

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> chart,

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> how can we see the yogas therein? For the

> > purpose of

> > > > > > > > checking

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> some

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> yogas, Yuti and Veekshana (conjunction and

> > aspects)

> > > > in

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> navamsa

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> chart make sense. This kind of yuti or veekshana

> > > > should

> > > > > > be

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> considered on a hypothetical level (as mutual

> > > > influence

> > > > > > at

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> amsha level) rather than being within a 30 deg.

> > > > span. of

> > > > > > > > Rasi.

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> Take an example. If a planet is exlated or in own

> > > > house

> > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> rasi

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> chart and attains debilitation in the Navamsa

> > > > chart, it

> > > > > > is

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> condiered

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> as weakening of the actual strength shown in the

> > > > Rasi.

> > > > > > Why

> > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> this

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> considered so? It is considered like that

> > because,

> > > > even

> > > > > > > > though

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> the

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> planet is within its own or exlated rasi, still

> > its

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> positioning

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> within that particular sector (here navamsa) has

> > > > weakened

> > > > > > > > it;

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> means,

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> within its own rasi, this particular sector is

> > the

> > > > > > weakest

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> point for

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> the planet within the strongest rasi; hence it

> > > > loses its

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> strength

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> considerably. This means there is a gradation of

> > > > > > strengths

> > > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> the

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> planet from first navamsa to the last navamsa.

> > The

> > > > > > navamsa

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> position

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> of a planet, thus indicates its refined placement

> > > > within

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> rasi.

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> In fact, Sri KN Rao also gives equal weightage to

> > > > both

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> Rasi and

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> Navamsa placement of a planet. If a planet is

> > weak

> > > > in one

> > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> them

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> that means half the weightage is lost. We may not

> > > > give

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> same

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> level of treatment to other vargas as we give to

> > > > Navamsa;

> > > > > > > > but

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> Navamsa is as important as the Rasi; to the

> > extent

> > > > that

> > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > can

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> be

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> viewed as an independent chart (to confirm the

> > > > promise

> > > > > > > > given

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> by the

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> rasi chart).

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> Without a confirmation of Navamsa chart, yogas in

> > > > the

> > > > > > rasi

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> chart

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> alone cannot and will not give expected results;

> > I

> > > > have

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> observed

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> this phenomenon in several charts.

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> My own experience is; I have Chandra and Sukra

> > both

> > > > in

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> 12th

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> house from Karakamsa in the Navamsa chart (not in

> > > > the

> > > > > > rasi

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> chart

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> with the rasi of karakamsa considering as the

> > > > karakamsa

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> lagna). I am

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> a deep devotee of Goddess Parvathi (represented

> > by

> > > > > > Chandra)

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> and

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> Goddess Lakshmi (represented by Sukra). If the

> > > > karakamsa

> > > > > > is

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> brought

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> to the Rasi chart, this cannot be explained. The

> > > > sequence

> > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> my life

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> events are better explained only if I consider

> > > > karakamsa

> > > > > > > > lagna

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> in

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> the navamsa chart; I am not discounting Pradeep's

> > > > opinion

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> here; I am

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> just saying that both approaches need to be

> > > > considered on

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> chart,

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> and a composite opinion be formed, as Sri KN Rao

> > > > always

> > > > > > > > says.

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> On the other hand, considering the specific rasi

> > in

> > > > the

> > > > > > > > Rasi

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> chart

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> that holds karakamsa as the karakamsa lagna, my

> > > > Sukra is

> > > > > > in

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> the 4th

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> house indicating my possession of a nice

> > beautiful

> > > > house,

> > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> education/skills in arts (in addition to other

> > > > > > traditional

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> education).

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> I am bringing this to both your knowledge only to

> > > > > > summarize

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> that

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> both your theories give results; but not

> > > > necessarily in

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> isolation of

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> the other.

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> Thanks for all your contribution.

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> Best regards,

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> Satya S Kolachina

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>

> > > > <%40>

> > > > > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> Dear Pradeep,

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> I can not comment on views of either Sanjay or

> > K.

> > > > N.

> > > > > > Rao.

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> First

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> there is

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> no difference in the meaning of Amsha and

> > Amshaka

> > > > though

> > > > > > > > it

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> is

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> perhaps

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> being confused. It also needs to be remembered

> > > > that in

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> astrological

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> translations many a times words are to be

> > > > understood in

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> context that

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> they used. So we find Parashara mentioning

> > > > karakamsha

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> Swamsha

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> in

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> alternate lines (almost) while indicating the

> > > > results of

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> occupation of

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> Karakamsha by Sun etc. and many other places in

> > > > > > karakamsha

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> adhyaaya.

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> This does not mean he is speaking about two

> > > > different

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> parameters.

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> I

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> think if any Sanskrit scholar who is also well

> > > > versed in

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> interpretation

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> of astrological texts will confirm this

> > contention

> > > > of

> > > > > > mine

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> if he

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> is

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> watching this discussion.

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> If you want my personal opinion, I think that

> > the

> > > > > > results

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> indicated on

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> the basis of Karakamsha without reference to the

> > > > > > potential

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> promised by

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> the rasi chart and the strength derived by the

> > > > grahas in

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> rasi

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> chart,

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> through the Navamsha chart, are not likely to

> > > > > > > > materialize. I

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> hope

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> this

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> opinion of mine does not create a big storm in

> > the

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> discussion on

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> the

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> list. But this is my personal opinion, for

> > > > whatever it

> > > > > > is

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> worth.

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> Take care,

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> vijayadas_pradeep wrote:

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> Dear Chandrashekhar ji and Respected members

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> Shri Sanjay Rath clearly says ,Amshaka is

> > > > pointing to

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> Rashi

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> in

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> which a graha is having amsha.He also

> > > > says,Karakamsha

> > > > > > has

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> one

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> meaning ,while Karakamsha KA has another

> > meaning.

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> Chandrashekhar jis view is Amshaka is not

> > > > pointing to

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> Rashi

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> in

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> which a graha is having amsha.

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> Now Chandraekhar jis view is prudent as there

> > are

> > > > some

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> shlokas

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> which

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> shri Rath somehow has overlooked,contradicting

> > > > his view

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> point.

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> I respect shri Rath ,but i have to tell

> > > > this.Sometimes

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> answer and

> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> explanations given by shri Rath are not

> > preceded

> > > > by

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July 9, 2007

Dear Bhaskar ji

yes - we all know that it is degree position - that derives all

charts. The degrees of planet is, of course the base for chart

construction.

So there is no confusion on this. Kindly - do not divert the thread.

Else, we may miss the important opportunity to learn Shri Pradeep's

interpretation model.

regards / Prafulla

, " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish

wrote:

>

> Ultimately, all the calculations of the other Chakras,

> Charts, Shadvargas , are based on the original Natal

> degreecal position of the planets ,

>

> a) At time of the birth OR

> b) in the Natal Chart (One and the same thing, whether

> one makes a chart or not))

>

> and when we talk of conjunctions, aspects and transits,

> it again come back, or co- relates with reference to

> the a) Rasi Chakra b) Natal planetary positions at birth

> (whether one makes a Rasi Chakra or not,it does not make any

> difference), c) wrt the navamsha chart, whether one makes

> a representation in form of graph/chart it does not make a

> difference.

>

> But there are few issues to be reckoned, when we talk of

> events timings in future ,or after the birth has taken

> place-

>

> a) The natal conjunction,placements,occupations with

> reference to sign position and house position , AND

>

> when we talk of transits

>

> a) with reference to the Navamsha chakra -whether you

> prepare a chart or not, it is immaterial, the quarter

> pada of transit would remain same only, which would

> effect change in mans life.

>

> b) with reference to the Natal Chart, whether one prepares

> or not the chart is immaterial, the transits on

> important degrees would only effect change in mans life.

>

> c) with reference to the shadvargas, the amsa, which would

> not change because again , the critical degreecal positions

> of transit have been prepared, wrt the Natal positions

> at birth.

>

> We all should be discussing, how to use such important

> points for predictive purposes, which will help the

> people like me, to learn more from the

> wise members here, like Shri Pradeepji,Shri Chandrasekharji,

> Shri Prafullaji and the others whom I have not named.

>

> I would be more interested, not in what is right or wrong,

> with respect to the ancient wisdome, or interpretation of

> the same, but how to use your knowledge which you have learnt

> from your interpretation,when i sit down to read charts in

> future, for the natives who come for help,to me.

>

> I mean THE APPLICATION PART.

>

> regards,

> Bhaskar.

>

> , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Finally nothing happens in the rashi chart too.

> > That is history. The Rashi charts just give the

> > pointers the degrees of the natal planets,

> > and the Navamsha points, of these degrees, which again

> > is converted into degrees for transit purpose and

> > observations, and all this happens in the

> > sky above.

> >

> > Now we are talking of 2 approaches.

> > a) Transits with reference to natal points.

> > b) transits with reference to nakshatra points.

> >

> > And aspects also same

> >

> > a) In natal Chart.

> > b) In navamsha Chart ????

> >

> > So back to square one.

> >

> > regards,

> > Bhaskar.

> >

> > , " vijayadas_pradeep "

> > <vijayadas_pradeep@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Chandrashekhar ji

> > >

> > > Thanks for the info regarding sphuta.As you see i too was thinking

> > > and generally referring to exact conjunction,but navamsha sector

was

> > > given by Bhaskar ji.

> > >

> > > Thus as you see,it is pointing to exact conjunction of transiting

> > > planet,with navamsha lord of a bhavalord or planet.

> > >

> > > Yes ,i can understand,your feelings.But still you may tell them

that

> > > these are happening in rashi chakra so that people who are wrong

> > > understandings,will trust.

> > >

> > > I somehow feel,some feel that who is talking has all importance and

> > > what is being said has no importance.This is not the case.

> > >

> > > Respect

> > > Pradeep

> > >

> > > , Chandrashekhar

> > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Pradeep,

> > > >

> > > > Your understanding of the transit over a certain degree is right.

> > > But

> > > > you have perhaps some confusion about the applicability of the

nadi

> > > > principles. it talks about the sphuta of the navamshesha. That is

> > > the

> > > > exact degree of the lord of navamsha occupied by a bhava lord. I

> > > trust

> > > > this is clear.

> > > >

> > > > I am as much a student of astrology as anybody else and do not

> > > claim to

> > > > be more knowledgeable than others. I might have corrected a wrong

> > > > interpretation of some principle, on the basis of the

principle as

> > > > understood by me earlier but with the type of language flying on

> > > the

> > > > list and challenges being thrown around, I have no wish to do so.

> > > >

> > > > Take care,

> > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > >

> > > > vijayadas_pradeep wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Chandrashekhar ji

> > > > >

> > > > > Navamshesha of a bhava lord.Say my lagna lord is Guru.Its

> > > > > navamshesha is Mercury.Mercury will be in some navamsha.It is in

> > > > > Makara rashi in my case.Within Makara it is in Leo

navamsha.As far

> > > > > as i have seen the usage of amsha transits,one has to see the

> > > > > transit from Leo rashi.I have explained this in the

mother/father

> > > > > navamsha/dwadashamsha shloka.

> > > > >

> > > > > Now there is another principle.In that you have to see whether a

> > > > > planet is transiting the exact degrees of its

placement.transiting

> > > > > amshas is identical to it.

> > > > >

> > > > > In my case if a planet say saturn is transiting makara rashi,leo

> > > > > amsha(as you have quoted) that is a 3.2 degree sector within

> > > makara

> > > > > rashi,certain results can be predicted.

> > > > >

> > > > > It is physical transit exactly over my natal mercury's 3.2

degree

> > > > > span.

> > > > >

> > > > > How is this physical transit over natal rashi justifying

bhavas in

> > > > > navamsha chakra.You are a learned scholar and you have to

correct

> > > > > them if some one is making mistakes.

> > > > >

> > > > > Respect

> > > > > Pradeep

> > > > >

> > > > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar

> > > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Pradeep,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I do not know whether you have read Chandrakalanadi Sanskrit

> > > > > shlokas,

> > > > > > but the reference to transit identical with the amshas of the

> > > > > > navamshesha of a bhava lord is clearly given therein. So

> > > Prafulla

> > > > > is right.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > For the record, Garga was not considered sage like but was a

> > > sage

> > > > > well

> > > > > > respected by even Parashara himself.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > vijayadas_pradeep wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Prafulla ji

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > If you may note,there were couple of cases similar to

what you

> > > > > > > talk,where Chandrashsekhar ji feels those as aspects in

varga

> > > > > > > chakras.Those cases are clealry explained in

> > > > > Dashadhayayi.Moreover

> > > > > > > Chandrashekhar ji had different opinion on kemadruma and

> > > > > > > chandranavmshaka rashi.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Those cases too were explined not onlyin dashadhayayi but by

> > > > > sagelike

> > > > > > > figures,Garga,Jeevasharma and sruthakeerthi.Those were not

> > > > > english

> > > > > > > translations as you have given from Devakeralam.But in

> > > Sanskrit

> > > > > with

> > > > > > > clear reeference to rashi.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Thus ,the basic principle is amshas and amshakas roots

back to

> > > > > > > rashis.Within a Rashi we have amshas of other rashis.For

the

> > > same

> > > > > > > reason amshas and rashis are lorded by same planet.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > So what you are saying have to read in Rashi chart.Transits

> > > can

> > > > > only

> > > > > > > be seen w.r to Rashi chart.How do you find navamsha

> > > > > rashi.Whether you

> > > > > > > see it from 3.2 degre sector or from a full navamshaka

> > > > > rashi,they are

> > > > > > > both pointing to Rashi chakra.Thus for transits there is no

> > > > > amiguity

> > > > > > > at all.You can ask any Jyotishi.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Regds

> > > > > > > Pradeep

> > > > > > >

> > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > <%40>, Prafulla Gang

> > > <jyotish@>

> > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Pradeep,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > many thanks for your pointer.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Well, kalyan Varma must have hinted at partial aspect -

> > > while

> > > > > > > referring to D chart aspect. let me search for reference in

> > > > > Saravali

> > > > > > > and also search for Shri Rohini Ranjan's opinion (which

> > > certainly

> > > > > > > carries more weight than my layman's opinion ) and revert

> > > back.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I quote another reference:

> > > > > > > > Satyacharya:

> > > > > > > > " " As mercury and venus are in kendra (i.e. angular

rashis)

> > > in

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > navamsa chakra from each other, the native possess Vahanas

> > > > > > > (conveyances). "

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > There are huge references in Deva Keralam - on use of D9

> > > chart

> > > > > in

> > > > > > > transit analysis as well natal analysis - where aspects are

> > > > > referred

> > > > > > > and navamsa chakras are referred.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > BPHS in current version - may not be conclusive astrology

> > > > > document;

> > > > > > > as many equally respectable sages - have referred the

use of D

> > > > > charts

> > > > > > > and aspects therein.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > regards / Prafulla Gang

> > > > > > > > http://www.prafulla.net <http://www.prafulla.net>

> > > > > <http://www.prafulla.net <http://www.prafulla.net>>

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > " Men who never get carried away should be. "

> > > > > > > > ************************************************

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > vijayadas_pradeep@

> > > > > > > > > Fri, 06 Jul 2007 22:04:44 -0000

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > Re: Why Navamsa Chart is so

> > > important?

> > > > > > > Quarter/Half

> > > > > > > > > aspects

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear Prafulla ji

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > The mentioned aspects are clearly for placement in

> > > > > Rashis.Please

> > > > > > > > > check Saravali again.Also in another chapter Kalyan

Varma

> > > > > clearly

> > > > > > > > > mentions about every planet having ,quarter aspect,half

> > > > > aspect

> > > > > > > > > etc,apart from full aspect.Thus it is pretty clear that

> > > > > these are

> > > > > > > non-

> > > > > > > > > full aspects in rashi chart.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Shri Ranjan did raise this question before and

> > > > > Chandrashekhar ji

> > > > > > > too

> > > > > > > > > had given similr explanations.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Regds

> > > > > > > > > Pradeep

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > <%40>, Prafulla Gang

> > > <jyotish@>

> > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > > >> Dear Pradeep,

> > > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > > >> Another important issue - In D9 charts reference -

kalyan

> > > > > Varma

> > > > > > > has

> > > > > > > > > given hints for results for Sun aspecting venus; or

> > > mercury

> > > > > > > aspecting

> > > > > > > > > venus. Since they can never " aspect " in Rashi Kundli

- the

> > > > > obvious

> > > > > > > > > reference was to Navamsa " chart " .

> > > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > > >> I do not think, kalyan varma can be treated at par with

> > > > > current

> > > > > > > age

> > > > > > > > > scholars !!

> > > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > > >> regards / Prafulla Gang

> > > > > > > > >> http://www.prafulla.net <http://www.prafulla.net>

> > > > > <http://www.prafulla.net <http://www.prafulla.net>>

> > > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > > >> " Men who never get carried away should be. "

> > > > > > > > >> ************************************************

> > > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > > > >>> jyotish@

> > > > > > > > >>> Thu, 5 Jul 2007 20:23:15 -0800

> > > > > > > > >>>

> > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > >>> Re: Why Navamsa Chart is so

> > > > > important?

> > > > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > > > >>> Dear Sreenadh ji

> > > > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > > > >>> Well - who knows the truth? - Should the person making

> > > > > comment,

> > > > > > > be

> > > > > > > > >>> construed to be as truth seeker - until they prove

with

> > > the

> > > > > > > > > application

> > > > > > > > >>> of the principles on the charts ( both ways - firstly

> > > the

> > > > > wrong

> > > > > > > > >>> application of others; and secondly how to read in

> > > correct

> > > > > way).

> > > > > > > > >>> Theorists without predictive support - has little

> > > > > relevance in

> > > > > > > > > jyotish.

> > > > > > > > >>> But yes - if you can justify your statements by case

> > > > > studies -

> > > > > > > > > then at

> > > > > > > > >>> least, I will hear with open mind.

> > > > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > > > >>> Understandably, I have been quoted to be " blind " to

> > > > > > > commentaries -

> > > > > > > > > but my

> > > > > > > > >>> submission is that - give me one reason to accept the

> > > views

> > > > > > > > > of " less read

> > > > > > > > >>> scholars " than to " well read scholars like Late

> > > > > Santhanam / Shri

> > > > > > > > > KN Rao /

> > > > > > > > >>> Shri Sanjay rath / many others " . and More so - as I do

> > > > > > > > > not " pretend " to

> > > > > > > > >>> know the sanskrit and do not " waste " my time on

" shloka

> > > > > > > business "

> > > > > > > > > with my

> > > > > > > > >>> " incomplete knowledge " . So I am happy to be following

> > > > > better

> > > > > > > > > quality

> > > > > > > > >>> commentaries - who are expalining with the case

studies.

> > > > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > > > >>> Of course - each one makes his choice.

> > > > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > > > >>> regards / Prafulla Gang

> > > > > > > > >>> http://www.prafulla.net <http://www.prafulla.net>

> > > > > <http://www.prafulla.net <http://www.prafulla.net>>

> > > > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > > > >>> " Men who never get carried away should be. "

> > > > > > > > >>> ************************************************

> > > > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > > > >>>>

> > > > > > > > >>>> sreesog@

> > > > > > > > >>>> Thu, 05 Jul 2007 07:00:31 -0000

> > > > > > > > >>>>

> > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > >>>> Re: Why Navamsa Chart is so

> > > > > important?

> > > > > > > > >>>>

> > > > > > > > >>>> Dear Prafulla ji,

> > > > > > > > >>>> * Even if those things are not there in ancient texts

> > > > > every

> > > > > > > one

> > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > >>>> free to make or follow there own choice - yes,

there is

> > > > > every

> > > > > > > > > chance

> > > > > > > > >>>> that even such new methods might give true results -

> > > your

> > > > > > > > > argument is

> > > > > > > > >>>> right.

> > > > > > > > >>>> * As far Sanskrit is concerned: Yes, it is your

> > > choice -

> > > > > when

> > > > > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > >>>> are blind to read and understand Sanskrit your self,

> > > and

> > > > > > > > > understand

> > > > > > > > >>>> what is there and what not, of course you have to

> > > follow

> > > > > > > someone

> > > > > > > > > who

> > > > > > > > >>>> says they see - you are right in that as well.

> > > > > > > > >>>> Love,

> > > > > > > > >>>> Sreenadh

> > > > > > > > >>>>

> > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > <%40>, Prafulla Gang

> > > <jyotish@>

> > > > > > > > >>>> wrote:

> > > > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > > > >>>>> Well Sreenadh ji - at times, these issues become

> > > choice

> > > > > or

> > > > > > > > >>>> prejudices in our own form of reading model. Had

there

> > > > > not been

> > > > > > > > > any

> > > > > > > > >>>> substance in interpreting D9 charts - lot many

> > > stalwarts

> > > > > must

> > > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > >>>> have explored it - and I presume - many of them know

> > > > > better

> > > > > > > > >>>> sanskrit / jyotish (rather both) than all of us

on the

> > > > > forum

> > > > > > > > >>>> collectively. So if at all - anyone wish to

contest the

> > > > > > > > >>>> interpretation - then many of those stalwarts are the

> > > > > people -

> > > > > > > > > must

> > > > > > > > >>>> be debated with. On the forum, where not many great

> > > > > sanskrit

> > > > > > > > >>>> scholars / jyotish researchers - the arguments

may not

> > > > > have any

> > > > > > > > >>>> relevance.

> > > > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > > > >>>>> regards / Prafulla Gang

> > > > > > > > >>>>> http://www.prafulla.net <http://www.prafulla.net>

> > > > > <http://www.prafulla.net <http://www.prafulla.net>>

> > > > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > > > >>>>> " The right to be heard does not automatically

include

> > > the

> > > > > > > right

> > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > >>>> be taken seriously. "

> > > > > > > > >>>>> ************************************************

> > > > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > > > > >>>>>> sreesog@

> > > > > > > > >>>>>> Tue, 03 Jul 2007 13:56:36 -0000

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > >>>>>> Re: Why Navamsa Chart is so

> > > > > important?

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > > > > >>>>>> Dear Prafulla ji,

> > > > > > > > >>>>>> * No ancient text ask us to read Navamsha (not

> > > > > chart) " just

> > > > > > > > > like

> > > > > > > > >>>> D1

> > > > > > > > >>>>>> chart " ; nor they provide slokas for the same.

> > > > > > > > >>>>>> * No ancient text provide as the results

> > > for " aspects of

> > > > > > > > > planets

> > > > > > > > >>>> in

> > > > > > > > >>>>>> Navamasa "

> > > > > > > > >>>>>> * Nor they give us the results to be predicted when

> > > > > planets

> > > > > > > > > are

> > > > > > > > >>>>>> placed " x house with reference to navamsa lagna "

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > > > > >>>>>> I hope we are trying to study astrology as

taught by

> > > the

> > > > > > > > > sages;

> > > > > > > > >>>> If

> > > > > > > > >>>>>> not I don't have anything to say.

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > > > > >>>>>> Love,

> > > > > > > > >>>>>> Sreenadh

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > <%40>, Prafulla Gang

> > > <jyotish@>

> > > > > > > > >>>>>> wrote:

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> Dear Sreenadh ji

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> I have also observed many jyotish stalwarts using

> > > > > navamsa

> > > > > > > > > chart

> > > > > > > > >>>>>> (along with other D charts). Now how to assess D9

> > > > > charts -

> > > > > > > > > can be

> > > > > > > > >>>>>> perspective. But - as most authors say - just

like D1

> > > > > chart.

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> I request members to share their experience.

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> regards / Prafulla Gang

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> http://www.prafulla.net <http://www.prafulla.net>

> > > > > <http://www.prafulla.net <http://www.prafulla.net>>

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> " The right to be heard does not automatically

> > > include

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > right

> > > > > > > > >>>> to

> > > > > > > > >>>>>> be taken seriously. "

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> ************************************************

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> sreesog@

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> Tue, 03 Jul 2007 07:56:49 -0000

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>

> > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> Re: Why Navamsa Chart

is so

> > > > > > > important?

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> Dear Krishna ji,

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> ==>

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> I too to the view that Navamsa

chart is

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> as important as Rasi chart.

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> <==

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> * There is not Navamsa " chart " , but only Navamsa.

> > > > > Navamsa

> > > > > > > > > chart

> > > > > > > > >>>>>> is

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> not as important as Rasi chart and it can

never be,

> > > > > because

> > > > > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > >>>> is

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> only an amsa. But yes, it is more important than

> > > other

> > > > > > > amsas

> > > > > > > > > due

> > > > > > > > >>>>>> to

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> the prior said reasons.

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> ==>

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> - Why strength of a planet is Navamsa

determines

> > > the

> > > > > > > overall

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> strength of a planet?

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> <==

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> * Because the quality of earth determines the

> > > > > strength of

> > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> plant. This is applicable to all amsas as per

their

> > > > > > > > > importance.

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> ==>

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> - Why it is allowed to consider aspects in

Navamsa

> > > > > chart

> > > > > > > > > like

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> aspects in a Rasi chart?

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> <==

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> * No, it is not allowed to consider aspects in

> > > > > Navamsa.

> > > > > > > > > (There

> > > > > > > > >>>>>> is

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> no navamsa 'chart'.)

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> ==>

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> - Why sambandha of planets in Navamsa chart

can be

> > > > > treated

> > > > > > > > > as

> > > > > > > > >>>> if

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> the planets have a sambandha in Rasi chart?

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> <==

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> * No, when planets have sambandha in Navamsa, it

> > > only

> > > > > > > means

> > > > > > > > >>>> that.

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> When they have sombandha in Rasi, it only means

> > > that.

> > > > > It is

> > > > > > > > >>>> wrong

> > > > > > > > >>>>>> to

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> mix the two.

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> ==>

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> - Why yogas should be looked at in navamsa

chart

> > > as

> > > > > well?

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> <==

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> * No, Yogas should not be looked in

> > > Navamsa 'chart'.

> > > > > But

> > > > > > > yes

> > > > > > > > >>>>>> yoga in

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> Navamsa (not navamsa 'chart') can be taken yoga.

> > > > > Because it

> > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > >>>> the

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> same principles as used in Rasi that are used to

> > > > > predict

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > >>>>>> result

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> in Amsas as well - But Aspect(Drishti) and

houses

> > > are

> > > > > not

> > > > > > > > >>>>>> applicable

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> to amsas. Both Aspect(Drishti) and Houses

should be

> > > > > > > > > considered

> > > > > > > > >>>> in

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> Rasi chart itself. Any reference in ancient texts

> > > > > about

> > > > > > > > > aspect

> > > > > > > > >>>> or

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> houses essentially mean that they are

referring to

> > > > > Rasi

> > > > > > > > > chart.

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> Love,

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> Sreenadh

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>

> > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > <%40>, Krishnamurthy

> > > > > > > Seetharama

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> <krishna_1998@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> Dear Kolachina ji,

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> It was interesting to read your comments on

> > > > > importance of

> > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> Navamsa chart. I too to the view that

> > > > > Navamsa

> > > > > > > > > chart

> > > > > > > > >>>> is

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> as important as Rasi chart. This is based on my

> > > > > experience

> > > > > > > > > so

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> far reading charts. However, I have still not

> > > > > understood

> > > > > > > > > what

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> are the fundamental reasons for a varga chart

> > > being

> > > > > so

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> important.

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> - Why strength of a planet is Navamsa

determines

> > > the

> > > > > > > overall

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> strength of a planet?

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> - Why it is allowed to consider aspects in

Navamsa

> > > > > chart

> > > > > > > > > like

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> aspects in a Rasi chart?

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> - Why sambandha of planets in Navamsa chart

can be

> > > > > treated

> > > > > > > > > as

> > > > > > > > >>>> if

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> the planets have a sambandha in Rasi chart?

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> - Why yogas should be looked at in navamsa

chart

> > > as

> > > > > well?

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> By looking at the kind of importance given to

> > > Navamsa

> > > > > > > > > chart, it

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> appears that the Rasi chart and Navamsa

chart make

> > > > > up two

> > > > > > > > > equal

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> halves representing the native.

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> I have no doubts about the importance of Navamsa

> > > > > Chart.

> > > > > > > > > What I

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> would like to know is why Navamsa gains such an

> > > > > > > importance?

> > > > > > > > >>>> What

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> are the fundamental reasons? After all it is

one

> > > of

> > > > > many

> > > > > > > > > varga

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> charts!

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> Regards,

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> Krishna

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> --- Satya Sai Kolachina <skolachi@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> Dear Sri Pradeep and Sri Chandrasekhar,

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> I have been following this thread on karakamsa

> > > and

> > > > > both

> > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> your

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> contributions.

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> I whole-heartedly appreciate both of you

for your

> > > > > > > valuable

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> inputs

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> you are providing to the astrological

community.

> > > I

> > > > > would

> > > > > > > > > like

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> to

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> share my opinion (through my own experience).

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> Considering Karakamsa from either Rasi or

Navamsa

> > > > > chart

> > > > > > > > > alone

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> most

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> probably leads to erroneous results, as I found

> > > > > both the

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> approaches

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> working. I see the point Pradeep is making as

> > > very

> > > > > > > > > valuable;

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> at the

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> same time I am not against using Navamsa

chart as

> > > > > > > separate

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> chart (of

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> course without losing the context of the Rasi

> > > > > chart),

> > > > > > > since

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> any of

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> the varga charts will not give independent

> > > results

> > > > > if the

> > > > > > > > > Rasi

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> chart

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> is ignored, as they themselves do not exist if

> > > the

> > > > > Rasi

> > > > > > > > > chart

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> doesn't exist. In fact Sri KN Rao also

mentioned

> > > in

> > > > > > > several

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> occassions in many of his articles and

books that

> > > > > yogas

> > > > > > > > > viewed

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> in

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> the Rasi chart should also exist in the Navamsa

> > > > > chart for

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> confirming

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> the results. If we do not see the Navamsa

chart

> > > as a

> > > > > > > > > separate

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> chart,

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> how can we see the yogas therein? For the

> > > purpose of

> > > > > > > > > checking

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> some

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> yogas, Yuti and Veekshana (conjunction and

> > > aspects)

> > > > > in

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> navamsa

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> chart make sense. This kind of yuti or

veekshana

> > > > > should

> > > > > > > be

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> considered on a hypothetical level (as mutual

> > > > > influence

> > > > > > > at

> > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> amsha level) rather than being within a 30 deg.

> > > > > span. of

> > > > > > > > > Rasi.

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> Take an example. If a planet is exlated or

in own

> > > > > house

> > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> rasi

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> chart and attains debilitation in the Navamsa

> > > > > chart, it

> > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> condiered

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> as weakening of the actual strength shown

in the

> > > > > Rasi.

> > > > > > > Why

> > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> this

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> considered so? It is considered like that

> > > because,

> > > > > even

> > > > > > > > > though

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> the

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> planet is within its own or exlated rasi,

still

> > > its

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> positioning

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> within that particular sector (here

navamsa) has

> > > > > weakened

> > > > > > > > > it;

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> means,

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> within its own rasi, this particular sector is

> > > the

> > > > > > > weakest

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> point for

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> the planet within the strongest rasi; hence it

> > > > > loses its

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> strength

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> considerably. This means there is a

gradation of

> > > > > > > strengths

> > > > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> the

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> planet from first navamsa to the last navamsa.

> > > The

> > > > > > > navamsa

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> position

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> of a planet, thus indicates its refined

placement

> > > > > within

> > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> rasi.

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> In fact, Sri KN Rao also gives equal

weightage to

> > > > > both

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> Rasi and

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> Navamsa placement of a planet. If a planet is

> > > weak

> > > > > in one

> > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> them

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> that means half the weightage is lost. We

may not

> > > > > give

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> same

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> level of treatment to other vargas as we

give to

> > > > > Navamsa;

> > > > > > > > > but

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> Navamsa is as important as the Rasi; to the

> > > extent

> > > > > that

> > > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > > can

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> be

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> viewed as an independent chart (to confirm the

> > > > > promise

> > > > > > > > > given

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> by the

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> rasi chart).

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> Without a confirmation of Navamsa chart,

yogas in

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > rasi

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> chart

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> alone cannot and will not give expected

results;

> > > I

> > > > > have

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> observed

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> this phenomenon in several charts.

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> My own experience is; I have Chandra and Sukra

> > > both

> > > > > in

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> 12th

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> house from Karakamsa in the Navamsa chart

(not in

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > rasi

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> chart

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> with the rasi of karakamsa considering as the

> > > > > karakamsa

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> lagna). I am

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> a deep devotee of Goddess Parvathi

(represented

> > > by

> > > > > > > Chandra)

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> and

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> Goddess Lakshmi (represented by Sukra). If the

> > > > > karakamsa

> > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> brought

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> to the Rasi chart, this cannot be

explained. The

> > > > > sequence

> > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> my life

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> events are better explained only if I consider

> > > > > karakamsa

> > > > > > > > > lagna

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> in

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> the navamsa chart; I am not discounting

Pradeep's

> > > > > opinion

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> here; I am

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> just saying that both approaches need to be

> > > > > considered on

> > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> chart,

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> and a composite opinion be formed, as Sri

KN Rao

> > > > > always

> > > > > > > > > says.

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> On the other hand, considering the specific

rasi

> > > in

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > Rasi

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> chart

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> that holds karakamsa as the karakamsa lagna, my

> > > > > Sukra is

> > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> the 4th

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> house indicating my possession of a nice

> > > beautiful

> > > > > house,

> > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> education/skills in arts (in addition to other

> > > > > > > traditional

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> education).

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> I am bringing this to both your knowledge

only to

> > > > > > > summarize

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> that

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> both your theories give results; but not

> > > > > necessarily in

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> isolation of

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> the other.

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> Thanks for all your contribution.

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> Best regards,

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> Satya S Kolachina

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> Dear Pradeep,

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> I can not comment on views of either

Sanjay or

> > > K.

> > > > > N.

> > > > > > > Rao.

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> First

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> there is

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> no difference in the meaning of Amsha and

> > > Amshaka

> > > > > though

> > > > > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> is

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> perhaps

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> being confused. It also needs to be remembered

> > > > > that in

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> astrological

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> translations many a times words are to be

> > > > > understood in

> > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> context that

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> they used. So we find Parashara mentioning

> > > > > karakamsha

> > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> Swamsha

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> in

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> alternate lines (almost) while indicating the

> > > > > results of

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> occupation of

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> Karakamsha by Sun etc. and many other

places in

> > > > > > > karakamsha

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> adhyaaya.

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> This does not mean he is speaking about two

> > > > > different

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> parameters.

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> I

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> think if any Sanskrit scholar who is also well

> > > > > versed in

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> interpretation

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> of astrological texts will confirm this

> > > contention

> > > > > of

> > > > > > > mine

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> if he

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> is

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> watching this discussion.

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> If you want my personal opinion, I think that

> > > the

> > > > > > > results

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> indicated on

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> the basis of Karakamsha without reference

to the

> > > > > > > potential

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> promised by

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> the rasi chart and the strength derived by the

> > > > > grahas in

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> rasi

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> chart,

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> through the Navamsha chart, are not likely to

> > > > > > > > > materialize. I

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> hope

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> this

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> opinion of mine does not create a big

storm in

> > > the

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> discussion on

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> the

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> list. But this is my personal opinion, for

> > > > > whatever it

> > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> worth.

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> Take care,

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> vijayadas_pradeep wrote:

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> Dear Chandrashekhar ji and Respected members

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> Shri Sanjay Rath clearly says ,Amshaka is

> > > > > pointing to

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> Rashi

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> in

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> which a graha is having amsha.He also

> > > > > says,Karakamsha

> > > > > > > has

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> one

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> meaning ,while Karakamsha KA has another

> > > meaning.

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> Chandrashekhar jis view is Amshaka is not

> > > > > pointing to

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> Rashi

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> in

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> which a graha is having amsha.

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> Now Chandraekhar jis view is prudent as

there

> > > are

> > > > > some

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> shlokas

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> which

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> shri Rath somehow has

overlooked,contradicting

> > > > > his view

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> point.

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> I respect shri Rath ,but i have to tell

> > > > > this.Sometimes

> > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> answer and

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> explanations given by shri Rath are not

> > > preceded

> > > > > by

> > > > > > > > > proper

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> === message truncated ===

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > > > > >>>>

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July 9, 2007

Dear Prafullaji,

I am nor diverting the thread Sir.

Certain mails were addressed to me,and my name

appeared in few,therefore I had to reply.

They were all saying the same thing, that

ultimately the Rasi chart is important,

and all transits aspects have to be countered

from the Rasi chart, and not the amsa,

so all I was trying to put across was, that I

and the others all know this basic fact

that every other chart is based on the natal chart

and degreecal positions of the planets therein.

I too am interested in learning the ineterpretation

of these expositions, which will help me in

my behavior towards my own clients whose charts

I am into.

If You notice , at the end of the last mail,

below your mail, I have clearly and explicitly

memntioned that I am only interested in

THE APPLICATION PART., and not interested in

theories.

regards,

Bhaskar.

, " Prafulla Gang " <jyotish wrote:

>

> Dear Bhaskar ji

>

> yes - we all know that it is degree position - that derives all

> charts. The degrees of planet is, of course the base for chart

> construction.

>

> So there is no confusion on this. Kindly - do not divert the thread.

> Else, we may miss the important opportunity to learn Shri Pradeep's

> interpretation model.

>

> regards / Prafulla

>

> , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Ultimately, all the calculations of the other Chakras,

> > Charts, Shadvargas , are based on the original Natal

> > degreecal position of the planets ,

> >

> > a) At time of the birth OR

> > b) in the Natal Chart (One and the same thing, whether

> > one makes a chart or not))

> >

> > and when we talk of conjunctions, aspects and transits,

> > it again come back, or co- relates with reference to

> > the a) Rasi Chakra b) Natal planetary positions at birth

> > (whether one makes a Rasi Chakra or not,it does not make any

> > difference), c) wrt the navamsha chart, whether one makes

> > a representation in form of graph/chart it does not make a

> > difference.

> >

> > But there are few issues to be reckoned, when we talk of

> > events timings in future ,or after the birth has taken

> > place-

> >

> > a) The natal conjunction,placements,occupations with

> > reference to sign position and house position , AND

> >

> > when we talk of transits

> >

> > a) with reference to the Navamsha chakra -whether you

> > prepare a chart or not, it is immaterial, the quarter

> > pada of transit would remain same only, which would

> > effect change in mans life.

> >

> > b) with reference to the Natal Chart, whether one prepares

> > or not the chart is immaterial, the transits on

> > important degrees would only effect change in mans life.

> >

> > c) with reference to the shadvargas, the amsa, which would

> > not change because again , the critical degreecal positions

> > of transit have been prepared, wrt the Natal positions

> > at birth.

> >

> > We all should be discussing, how to use such important

> > points for predictive purposes, which will help the

> > people like me, to learn more from the

> > wise members here, like Shri Pradeepji,Shri Chandrasekharji,

> > Shri Prafullaji and the others whom I have not named.

> >

> > I would be more interested, not in what is right or wrong,

> > with respect to the ancient wisdome, or interpretation of

> > the same, but how to use your knowledge which you have learnt

> > from your interpretation,when i sit down to read charts in

> > future, for the natives who come for help,to me.

> >

> > I mean THE APPLICATION PART.

> >

> > regards,

> > Bhaskar.

> >

> > , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Finally nothing happens in the rashi chart too.

> > > That is history. The Rashi charts just give the

> > > pointers the degrees of the natal planets,

> > > and the Navamsha points, of these degrees, which again

> > > is converted into degrees for transit purpose and

> > > observations, and all this happens in the

> > > sky above.

> > >

> > > Now we are talking of 2 approaches.

> > > a) Transits with reference to natal points.

> > > b) transits with reference to nakshatra points.

> > >

> > > And aspects also same

> > >

> > > a) In natal Chart.

> > > b) In navamsha Chart ????

> > >

> > > So back to square one.

> > >

> > > regards,

> > > Bhaskar.

> > >

> > > , " vijayadas_pradeep "

> > > <vijayadas_pradeep@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Chandrashekhar ji

> > > >

> > > > Thanks for the info regarding sphuta.As you see i too was

thinking

> > > > and generally referring to exact conjunction,but navamsha sector

> was

> > > > given by Bhaskar ji.

> > > >

> > > > Thus as you see,it is pointing to exact conjunction of transiting

> > > > planet,with navamsha lord of a bhavalord or planet.

> > > >

> > > > Yes ,i can understand,your feelings.But still you may tell them

> that

> > > > these are happening in rashi chakra so that people who are wrong

> > > > understandings,will trust.

> > > >

> > > > I somehow feel,some feel that who is talking has all

importance and

> > > > what is being said has no importance.This is not the case.

> > > >

> > > > Respect

> > > > Pradeep

> > > >

> > > > , Chandrashekhar

> > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Pradeep,

> > > > >

> > > > > Your understanding of the transit over a certain degree is

right.

> > > > But

> > > > > you have perhaps some confusion about the applicability of the

> nadi

> > > > > principles. it talks about the sphuta of the navamshesha.

That is

> > > > the

> > > > > exact degree of the lord of navamsha occupied by a bhava

lord. I

> > > > trust

> > > > > this is clear.

> > > > >

> > > > > I am as much a student of astrology as anybody else and do not

> > > > claim to

> > > > > be more knowledgeable than others. I might have corrected a

wrong

> > > > > interpretation of some principle, on the basis of the

> principle as

> > > > > understood by me earlier but with the type of language

flying on

> > > > the

> > > > > list and challenges being thrown around, I have no wish to

do so.

> > > > >

> > > > > Take care,

> > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > >

> > > > > vijayadas_pradeep wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Chandrashekhar ji

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Navamshesha of a bhava lord.Say my lagna lord is Guru.Its

> > > > > > navamshesha is Mercury.Mercury will be in some navamsha.It

is in

> > > > > > Makara rashi in my case.Within Makara it is in Leo

> navamsha.As far

> > > > > > as i have seen the usage of amsha transits,one has to see the

> > > > > > transit from Leo rashi.I have explained this in the

> mother/father

> > > > > > navamsha/dwadashamsha shloka.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Now there is another principle.In that you have to see

whether a

> > > > > > planet is transiting the exact degrees of its

> placement.transiting

> > > > > > amshas is identical to it.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > In my case if a planet say saturn is transiting makara

rashi,leo

> > > > > > amsha(as you have quoted) that is a 3.2 degree sector within

> > > > makara

> > > > > > rashi,certain results can be predicted.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > It is physical transit exactly over my natal mercury's 3.2

> degree

> > > > > > span.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > How is this physical transit over natal rashi justifying

> bhavas in

> > > > > > navamsha chakra.You are a learned scholar and you have to

> correct

> > > > > > them if some one is making mistakes.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Respect

> > > > > > Pradeep

> > > > > >

> > > > > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar

> > > > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Pradeep,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I do not know whether you have read Chandrakalanadi Sanskrit

> > > > > > shlokas,

> > > > > > > but the reference to transit identical with the amshas

of the

> > > > > > > navamshesha of a bhava lord is clearly given therein. So

> > > > Prafulla

> > > > > > is right.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > For the record, Garga was not considered sage like but

was a

> > > > sage

> > > > > > well

> > > > > > > respected by even Parashara himself.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > vijayadas_pradeep wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Prafulla ji

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > If you may note,there were couple of cases similar to

> what you

> > > > > > > > talk,where Chandrashsekhar ji feels those as aspects in

> varga

> > > > > > > > chakras.Those cases are clealry explained in

> > > > > > Dashadhayayi.Moreover

> > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar ji had different opinion on kemadruma and

> > > > > > > > chandranavmshaka rashi.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Those cases too were explined not onlyin dashadhayayi

but by

> > > > > > sagelike

> > > > > > > > figures,Garga,Jeevasharma and sruthakeerthi.Those were not

> > > > > > english

> > > > > > > > translations as you have given from Devakeralam.But in

> > > > Sanskrit

> > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > clear reeference to rashi.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Thus ,the basic principle is amshas and amshakas roots

> back to

> > > > > > > > rashis.Within a Rashi we have amshas of other rashis.For

> the

> > > > same

> > > > > > > > reason amshas and rashis are lorded by same planet.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > So what you are saying have to read in Rashi

chart.Transits

> > > > can

> > > > > > only

> > > > > > > > be seen w.r to Rashi chart.How do you find navamsha

> > > > > > rashi.Whether you

> > > > > > > > see it from 3.2 degre sector or from a full navamshaka

> > > > > > rashi,they are

> > > > > > > > both pointing to Rashi chakra.Thus for transits there

is no

> > > > > > amiguity

> > > > > > > > at all.You can ask any Jyotishi.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Regds

> > > > > > > > Pradeep

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > <%40>, Prafulla Gang

> > > > <jyotish@>

> > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear Pradeep,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > many thanks for your pointer.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Well, kalyan Varma must have hinted at partial aspect -

> > > > while

> > > > > > > > referring to D chart aspect. let me search for

reference in

> > > > > > Saravali

> > > > > > > > and also search for Shri Rohini Ranjan's opinion (which

> > > > certainly

> > > > > > > > carries more weight than my layman's opinion ) and revert

> > > > back.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I quote another reference:

> > > > > > > > > Satyacharya:

> > > > > > > > > " " As mercury and venus are in kendra (i.e. angular

> rashis)

> > > > in

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > navamsa chakra from each other, the native possess Vahanas

> > > > > > > > (conveyances). "

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > There are huge references in Deva Keralam - on use

of D9

> > > > chart

> > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > transit analysis as well natal analysis - where

aspects are

> > > > > > referred

> > > > > > > > and navamsa chakras are referred.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > BPHS in current version - may not be conclusive

astrology

> > > > > > document;

> > > > > > > > as many equally respectable sages - have referred the

> use of D

> > > > > > charts

> > > > > > > > and aspects therein.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > regards / Prafulla Gang

> > > > > > > > > http://www.prafulla.net <http://www.prafulla.net>

> > > > > > <http://www.prafulla.net <http://www.prafulla.net>>

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > " Men who never get carried away should be. "

> > > > > > > > > ************************************************

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > vijayadas_pradeep@

> > > > > > > > > > Fri, 06 Jul 2007 22:04:44 -0000

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > > Re: Why Navamsa Chart is so

> > > > important?

> > > > > > > > Quarter/Half

> > > > > > > > > > aspects

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Dear Prafulla ji

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > The mentioned aspects are clearly for placement in

> > > > > > Rashis.Please

> > > > > > > > > > check Saravali again.Also in another chapter Kalyan

> Varma

> > > > > > clearly

> > > > > > > > > > mentions about every planet having ,quarter

aspect,half

> > > > > > aspect

> > > > > > > > > > etc,apart from full aspect.Thus it is pretty clear

that

> > > > > > these are

> > > > > > > > non-

> > > > > > > > > > full aspects in rashi chart.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Shri Ranjan did raise this question before and

> > > > > > Chandrashekhar ji

> > > > > > > > too

> > > > > > > > > > had given similr explanations.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Regds

> > > > > > > > > > Pradeep

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > <%40>, Prafulla Gang

> > > > <jyotish@>

> > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > > > >> Dear Pradeep,

> > > > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > > > >> Another important issue - In D9 charts reference -

> kalyan

> > > > > > Varma

> > > > > > > > has

> > > > > > > > > > given hints for results for Sun aspecting venus; or

> > > > mercury

> > > > > > > > aspecting

> > > > > > > > > > venus. Since they can never " aspect " in Rashi Kundli

> - the

> > > > > > obvious

> > > > > > > > > > reference was to Navamsa " chart " .

> > > > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > > > >> I do not think, kalyan varma can be treated at

par with

> > > > > > current

> > > > > > > > age

> > > > > > > > > > scholars !!

> > > > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > > > >> regards / Prafulla Gang

> > > > > > > > > >> http://www.prafulla.net <http://www.prafulla.net>

> > > > > > <http://www.prafulla.net <http://www.prafulla.net>>

> > > > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > > > >> " Men who never get carried away should be. "

> > > > > > > > > >> ************************************************

> > > > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > > > > >>> jyotish@

> > > > > > > > > >>> Thu, 5 Jul 2007 20:23:15 -0800

> > > > > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > >>> Re: Why Navamsa Chart is so

> > > > > > important?

> > > > > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > > > > >>> Dear Sreenadh ji

> > > > > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > > > > >>> Well - who knows the truth? - Should the person

making

> > > > > > comment,

> > > > > > > > be

> > > > > > > > > >>> construed to be as truth seeker - until they prove

> with

> > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > application

> > > > > > > > > >>> of the principles on the charts ( both ways -

firstly

> > > > the

> > > > > > wrong

> > > > > > > > > >>> application of others; and secondly how to read in

> > > > correct

> > > > > > way).

> > > > > > > > > >>> Theorists without predictive support - has little

> > > > > > relevance in

> > > > > > > > > > jyotish.

> > > > > > > > > >>> But yes - if you can justify your statements by case

> > > > > > studies -

> > > > > > > > > > then at

> > > > > > > > > >>> least, I will hear with open mind.

> > > > > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > > > > >>> Understandably, I have been quoted to be " blind " to

> > > > > > > > commentaries -

> > > > > > > > > > but my

> > > > > > > > > >>> submission is that - give me one reason to

accept the

> > > > views

> > > > > > > > > > of " less read

> > > > > > > > > >>> scholars " than to " well read scholars like Late

> > > > > > Santhanam / Shri

> > > > > > > > > > KN Rao /

> > > > > > > > > >>> Shri Sanjay rath / many others " . and More so -

as I do

> > > > > > > > > > not " pretend " to

> > > > > > > > > >>> know the sanskrit and do not " waste " my time on

> " shloka

> > > > > > > > business "

> > > > > > > > > > with my

> > > > > > > > > >>> " incomplete knowledge " . So I am happy to be

following

> > > > > > better

> > > > > > > > > > quality

> > > > > > > > > >>> commentaries - who are expalining with the case

> studies.

> > > > > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > > > > >>> Of course - each one makes his choice.

> > > > > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > > > > >>> regards / Prafulla Gang

> > > > > > > > > >>> http://www.prafulla.net <http://www.prafulla.net>

> > > > > > <http://www.prafulla.net <http://www.prafulla.net>>

> > > > > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > > > > >>> " Men who never get carried away should be. "

> > > > > > > > > >>> ************************************************

> > > > > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > > > > >>>>

> > > > > > > > > >>>> sreesog@

> > > > > > > > > >>>> Thu, 05 Jul 2007 07:00:31 -0000

> > > > > > > > > >>>>

> > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > >>>> Re: Why Navamsa Chart is so

> > > > > > important?

> > > > > > > > > >>>>

> > > > > > > > > >>>> Dear Prafulla ji,

> > > > > > > > > >>>> * Even if those things are not there in ancient

texts

> > > > > > every

> > > > > > > > one

> > > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > >>>> free to make or follow there own choice - yes,

> there is

> > > > > > every

> > > > > > > > > > chance

> > > > > > > > > >>>> that even such new methods might give true

results -

> > > > your

> > > > > > > > > > argument is

> > > > > > > > > >>>> right.

> > > > > > > > > >>>> * As far Sanskrit is concerned: Yes, it is your

> > > > choice -

> > > > > > when

> > > > > > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > > >>>> are blind to read and understand Sanskrit your

self,

> > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > understand

> > > > > > > > > >>>> what is there and what not, of course you have to

> > > > follow

> > > > > > > > someone

> > > > > > > > > > who

> > > > > > > > > >>>> says they see - you are right in that as well.

> > > > > > > > > >>>> Love,

> > > > > > > > > >>>> Sreenadh

> > > > > > > > > >>>>

> > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > <%40>, Prafulla Gang

> > > > <jyotish@>

> > > > > > > > > >>>> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > > > > >>>>> Well Sreenadh ji - at times, these issues become

> > > > choice

> > > > > > or

> > > > > > > > > >>>> prejudices in our own form of reading model. Had

> there

> > > > > > not been

> > > > > > > > > > any

> > > > > > > > > >>>> substance in interpreting D9 charts - lot many

> > > > stalwarts

> > > > > > must

> > > > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > >>>> have explored it - and I presume - many of them

know

> > > > > > better

> > > > > > > > > >>>> sanskrit / jyotish (rather both) than all of us

> on the

> > > > > > forum

> > > > > > > > > >>>> collectively. So if at all - anyone wish to

> contest the

> > > > > > > > > >>>> interpretation - then many of those stalwarts

are the

> > > > > > people -

> > > > > > > > > > must

> > > > > > > > > >>>> be debated with. On the forum, where not many great

> > > > > > sanskrit

> > > > > > > > > >>>> scholars / jyotish researchers - the arguments

> may not

> > > > > > have any

> > > > > > > > > >>>> relevance.

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > > > > >>>>> regards / Prafulla Gang

> > > > > > > > > >>>>> http://www.prafulla.net <http://www.prafulla.net>

> > > > > > <http://www.prafulla.net <http://www.prafulla.net>>

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > > > > >>>>> " The right to be heard does not automatically

> include

> > > > the

> > > > > > > > right

> > > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > >>>> be taken seriously. "

> > > > > > > > > >>>>> ************************************************

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>> sreesog@

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>> Tue, 03 Jul 2007 13:56:36 -0000

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>> Re: Why Navamsa Chart

is so

> > > > > > important?

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>> Dear Prafulla ji,

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>> * No ancient text ask us to read Navamsha (not

> > > > > > chart) " just

> > > > > > > > > > like

> > > > > > > > > >>>> D1

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>> chart " ; nor they provide slokas for the same.

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>> * No ancient text provide as the results

> > > > for " aspects of

> > > > > > > > > > planets

> > > > > > > > > >>>> in

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>> Navamasa "

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>> * Nor they give us the results to be

predicted when

> > > > > > planets

> > > > > > > > > > are

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>> placed " x house with reference to navamsa lagna "

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>> I hope we are trying to study astrology as

> taught by

> > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > sages;

> > > > > > > > > >>>> If

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>> not I don't have anything to say.

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>> Love,

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>> Sreenadh

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > <%40>, Prafulla Gang

> > > > <jyotish@>

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>> Dear Sreenadh ji

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>> I have also observed many jyotish stalwarts

using

> > > > > > navamsa

> > > > > > > > > > chart

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>> (along with other D charts). Now how to assess D9

> > > > > > charts -

> > > > > > > > > > can be

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>> perspective. But - as most authors say - just

> like D1

> > > > > > chart.

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>> I request members to share their experience.

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>> regards / Prafulla Gang

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>> http://www.prafulla.net

> > > > > > <http://www.prafulla.net <http://www.prafulla.net>>

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>> " The right to be heard does not automatically

> > > > include

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > right

> > > > > > > > > >>>> to

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>> be taken seriously. "

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>> ************************************************

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> sreesog@

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> Tue, 03 Jul 2007 07:56:49 -0000

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>

> > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> Re: Why Navamsa Chart

> is so

> > > > > > > > important?

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> Dear Krishna ji,

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> ==>

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> I too to the view that Navamsa

> chart is

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> as important as Rasi chart.

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> <==

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> * There is not Navamsa " chart " , but only

Navamsa.

> > > > > > Navamsa

> > > > > > > > > > chart

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>> is

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> not as important as Rasi chart and it can

> never be,

> > > > > > because

> > > > > > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > > >>>> is

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> only an amsa. But yes, it is more important

than

> > > > other

> > > > > > > > amsas

> > > > > > > > > > due

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>> to

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> the prior said reasons.

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> ==>

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> - Why strength of a planet is Navamsa

> determines

> > > > the

> > > > > > > > overall

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> strength of a planet?

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> <==

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> * Because the quality of earth determines the

> > > > > > strength of

> > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> plant. This is applicable to all amsas as per

> their

> > > > > > > > > > importance.

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> ==>

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> - Why it is allowed to consider aspects in

> Navamsa

> > > > > > chart

> > > > > > > > > > like

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> aspects in a Rasi chart?

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> <==

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> * No, it is not allowed to consider aspects in

> > > > > > Navamsa.

> > > > > > > > > > (There

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>> is

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> no navamsa 'chart'.)

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> ==>

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> - Why sambandha of planets in Navamsa chart

> can be

> > > > > > treated

> > > > > > > > > > as

> > > > > > > > > >>>> if

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> the planets have a sambandha in Rasi chart?

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> <==

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> * No, when planets have sambandha in

Navamsa, it

> > > > only

> > > > > > > > means

> > > > > > > > > >>>> that.

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> When they have sombandha in Rasi, it only

means

> > > > that.

> > > > > > It is

> > > > > > > > > >>>> wrong

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>> to

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> mix the two.

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> ==>

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> - Why yogas should be looked at in navamsa

> chart

> > > > as

> > > > > > well?

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> <==

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> * No, Yogas should not be looked in

> > > > Navamsa 'chart'.

> > > > > > But

> > > > > > > > yes

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>> yoga in

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> Navamsa (not navamsa 'chart') can be taken

yoga.

> > > > > > Because it

> > > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > >>>> the

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> same principles as used in Rasi that are

used to

> > > > > > predict

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>> result

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> in Amsas as well - But Aspect(Drishti) and

> houses

> > > > are

> > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>> applicable

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> to amsas. Both Aspect(Drishti) and Houses

> should be

> > > > > > > > > > considered

> > > > > > > > > >>>> in

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> Rasi chart itself. Any reference in ancient

texts

> > > > > > about

> > > > > > > > > > aspect

> > > > > > > > > >>>> or

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> houses essentially mean that they are

> referring to

> > > > > > Rasi

> > > > > > > > > > chart.

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> Love,

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> Sreenadh

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>

> > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > <%40>, Krishnamurthy

> > > > > > > > Seetharama

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> <krishna_1998@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> Dear Kolachina ji,

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> It was interesting to read your comments on

> > > > > > importance of

> > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> Navamsa chart. I too to the view

that

> > > > > > Navamsa

> > > > > > > > > > chart

> > > > > > > > > >>>> is

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> as important as Rasi chart. This is based

on my

> > > > > > experience

> > > > > > > > > > so

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> far reading charts. However, I have still not

> > > > > > understood

> > > > > > > > > > what

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> are the fundamental reasons for a varga chart

> > > > being

> > > > > > so

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> important.

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> - Why strength of a planet is Navamsa

> determines

> > > > the

> > > > > > > > overall

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> strength of a planet?

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> - Why it is allowed to consider aspects in

> Navamsa

> > > > > > chart

> > > > > > > > > > like

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> aspects in a Rasi chart?

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> - Why sambandha of planets in Navamsa chart

> can be

> > > > > > treated

> > > > > > > > > > as

> > > > > > > > > >>>> if

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> the planets have a sambandha in Rasi chart?

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> - Why yogas should be looked at in navamsa

> chart

> > > > as

> > > > > > well?

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> By looking at the kind of importance given to

> > > > Navamsa

> > > > > > > > > > chart, it

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> appears that the Rasi chart and Navamsa

> chart make

> > > > > > up two

> > > > > > > > > > equal

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> halves representing the native.

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> I have no doubts about the importance of

Navamsa

> > > > > > Chart.

> > > > > > > > > > What I

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> would like to know is why Navamsa gains

such an

> > > > > > > > importance?

> > > > > > > > > >>>> What

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> are the fundamental reasons? After all it is

> one

> > > > of

> > > > > > many

> > > > > > > > > > varga

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> charts!

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> Regards,

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> Krishna

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> --- Satya Sai Kolachina <skolachi@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> Dear Sri Pradeep and Sri Chandrasekhar,

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> I have been following this thread on

karakamsa

> > > > and

> > > > > > both

> > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> your

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> contributions.

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> I whole-heartedly appreciate both of you

> for your

> > > > > > > > valuable

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> inputs

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> you are providing to the astrological

> community.

> > > > I

> > > > > > would

> > > > > > > > > > like

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> to

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> share my opinion (through my own experience).

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> Considering Karakamsa from either Rasi or

> Navamsa

> > > > > > chart

> > > > > > > > > > alone

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> most

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> probably leads to erroneous results, as I

found

> > > > > > both the

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> approaches

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> working. I see the point Pradeep is

making as

> > > > very

> > > > > > > > > > valuable;

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> at the

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> same time I am not against using Navamsa

> chart as

> > > > > > > > separate

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> chart (of

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> course without losing the context of the Rasi

> > > > > > chart),

> > > > > > > > since

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> any of

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> the varga charts will not give independent

> > > > results

> > > > > > if the

> > > > > > > > > > Rasi

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> chart

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> is ignored, as they themselves do not

exist if

> > > > the

> > > > > > Rasi

> > > > > > > > > > chart

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> doesn't exist. In fact Sri KN Rao also

> mentioned

> > > > in

> > > > > > > > several

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> occassions in many of his articles and

> books that

> > > > > > yogas

> > > > > > > > > > viewed

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> in

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> the Rasi chart should also exist in the

Navamsa

> > > > > > chart for

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> confirming

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> the results. If we do not see the Navamsa

> chart

> > > > as a

> > > > > > > > > > separate

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> chart,

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> how can we see the yogas therein? For the

> > > > purpose of

> > > > > > > > > > checking

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> some

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> yogas, Yuti and Veekshana (conjunction and

> > > > aspects)

> > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> navamsa

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> chart make sense. This kind of yuti or

> veekshana

> > > > > > should

> > > > > > > > be

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> considered on a hypothetical level (as mutual

> > > > > > influence

> > > > > > > > at

> > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> amsha level) rather than being within a

30 deg.

> > > > > > span. of

> > > > > > > > > > Rasi.

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> Take an example. If a planet is exlated or

> in own

> > > > > > house

> > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> rasi

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> chart and attains debilitation in the Navamsa

> > > > > > chart, it

> > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> condiered

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> as weakening of the actual strength shown

> in the

> > > > > > Rasi.

> > > > > > > > Why

> > > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> this

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> considered so? It is considered like that

> > > > because,

> > > > > > even

> > > > > > > > > > though

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> the

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> planet is within its own or exlated rasi,

> still

> > > > its

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> positioning

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> within that particular sector (here

> navamsa) has

> > > > > > weakened

> > > > > > > > > > it;

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> means,

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> within its own rasi, this particular

sector is

> > > > the

> > > > > > > > weakest

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> point for

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> the planet within the strongest rasi;

hence it

> > > > > > loses its

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> strength

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> considerably. This means there is a

> gradation of

> > > > > > > > strengths

> > > > > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> the

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> planet from first navamsa to the last

navamsa.

> > > > The

> > > > > > > > navamsa

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> position

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> of a planet, thus indicates its refined

> placement

> > > > > > within

> > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> rasi.

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> In fact, Sri KN Rao also gives equal

> weightage to

> > > > > > both

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> Rasi and

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> Navamsa placement of a planet. If a

planet is

> > > > weak

> > > > > > in one

> > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> them

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> that means half the weightage is lost. We

> may not

> > > > > > give

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> same

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> level of treatment to other vargas as we

> give to

> > > > > > Navamsa;

> > > > > > > > > > but

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> Navamsa is as important as the Rasi; to the

> > > > extent

> > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > > > can

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> be

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> viewed as an independent chart (to

confirm the

> > > > > > promise

> > > > > > > > > > given

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> by the

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> rasi chart).

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> Without a confirmation of Navamsa chart,

> yogas in

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > rasi

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> chart

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> alone cannot and will not give expected

> results;

> > > > I

> > > > > > have

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> observed

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> this phenomenon in several charts.

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> My own experience is; I have Chandra and

Sukra

> > > > both

> > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> 12th

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> house from Karakamsa in the Navamsa chart

> (not in

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > rasi

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> chart

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> with the rasi of karakamsa considering as the

> > > > > > karakamsa

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> lagna). I am

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> a deep devotee of Goddess Parvathi

> (represented

> > > > by

> > > > > > > > Chandra)

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> and

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> Goddess Lakshmi (represented by Sukra).

If the

> > > > > > karakamsa

> > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> brought

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> to the Rasi chart, this cannot be

> explained. The

> > > > > > sequence

> > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> my life

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> events are better explained only if I

consider

> > > > > > karakamsa

> > > > > > > > > > lagna

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> in

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> the navamsa chart; I am not discounting

> Pradeep's

> > > > > > opinion

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> here; I am

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> just saying that both approaches need to be

> > > > > > considered on

> > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> chart,

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> and a composite opinion be formed, as Sri

> KN Rao

> > > > > > always

> > > > > > > > > > says.

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> On the other hand, considering the specific

> rasi

> > > > in

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > Rasi

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> chart

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> that holds karakamsa as the karakamsa

lagna, my

> > > > > > Sukra is

> > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> the 4th

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> house indicating my possession of a nice

> > > > beautiful

> > > > > > house,

> > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> education/skills in arts (in addition to

other

> > > > > > > > traditional

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> education).

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> I am bringing this to both your knowledge

> only to

> > > > > > > > summarize

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> that

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> both your theories give results; but not

> > > > > > necessarily in

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> isolation of

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> the other.

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> Thanks for all your contribution.

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> Best regards,

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> Satya S Kolachina

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> Dear Pradeep,

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> I can not comment on views of either

> Sanjay or

> > > > K.

> > > > > > N.

> > > > > > > > Rao.

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> First

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> there is

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> no difference in the meaning of Amsha and

> > > > Amshaka

> > > > > > though

> > > > > > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> is

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> perhaps

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> being confused. It also needs to be

remembered

> > > > > > that in

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> astrological

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> translations many a times words are to be

> > > > > > understood in

> > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> context that

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> they used. So we find Parashara mentioning

> > > > > > karakamsha

> > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> Swamsha

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> in

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> alternate lines (almost) while

indicating the

> > > > > > results of

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> occupation of

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> Karakamsha by Sun etc. and many other

> places in

> > > > > > > > karakamsha

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> adhyaaya.

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> This does not mean he is speaking about two

> > > > > > different

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> parameters.

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> I

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> think if any Sanskrit scholar who is

also well

> > > > > > versed in

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> interpretation

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> of astrological texts will confirm this

> > > > contention

> > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > mine

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> if he

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> is

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> watching this discussion.

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> If you want my personal opinion, I think

that

> > > > the

> > > > > > > > results

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> indicated on

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> the basis of Karakamsha without reference

> to the

> > > > > > > > potential

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> promised by

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> the rasi chart and the strength derived

by the

> > > > > > grahas in

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> rasi

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> chart,

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> through the Navamsha chart, are not

likely to

> > > > > > > > > > materialize. I

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> hope

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> this

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> opinion of mine does not create a big

> storm in

> > > > the

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> discussion on

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> the

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> list. But this is my personal opinion, for

> > > > > > whatever it

> > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> worth.

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> Take care,

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> vijayadas_pradeep wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> Dear Chandrashekhar ji and Respected

members

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> Shri Sanjay Rath clearly says ,Amshaka is

> > > > > > pointing to

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> Rashi

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> in

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> which a graha is having amsha.He also

> > > > > > says,Karakamsha

> > > > > > > > has

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> one

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> meaning ,while Karakamsha KA has another

> > > > meaning.

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> Chandrashekhar jis view is Amshaka is not

> > > > > > pointing to

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> Rashi

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> in

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> which a graha is having amsha.

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> Now Chandraekhar jis view is prudent as

> there

> > > > are

> > > > > > some

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> shlokas

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> which

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> shri Rath somehow has

> overlooked,contradicting

> > > > > > his view

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> point.

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> I respect shri Rath ,but i have to tell

> > > > > > this.Sometimes

> > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> answer and

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> explanations given by shri Rath are not

> > > > preceded

> > > > > > by

> > > > > > > > > > proper

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>

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July 9, 2007

Dear Bhaskar ji

But the transit that you are talking w.r to navamsha points are

exact natal positions.Sphuta of a planet.On the other hand when you

see navamsha arrangement you are studying the link and not

astronomical placement as Dr.Raman has said.

Aspects are not based on such imaginary patterns.Amsha Rashi link is

through tattwa sambandha.For aspects rules are clear and they are

based on Rashi dispositions.

Regds

Pradeep

-- In , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish

wrote:

>

> //Now we are talking of 2 approaches.

> > a) Transits with reference to natal points.

> > b) transits with reference to nakshatra points.//

>

> Re-read above as -

> b) transit with reference to Navamsha points.

>

> , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Finally nothing happens in the rashi chart too.

> > That is history. The Rashi charts just give the

> > pointers the degrees of the natal planets,

> > and the Navamsha points, of these degrees, which again

> > is converted into degrees for transit purpose and

> > observations, and all this happens in the

> > sky above.

> >

> > Now we are talking of 2 approaches.

> > a) Transits with reference to natal points.

> > b) transits with reference to nakshatra points.

> >

> > And aspects also same

> >

> > a) In natal Chart.

> > b) In navamsha Chart ????

> >

> > So back to square one.

> >

> > regards,

> > Bhaskar.

> >

> > , " vijayadas_pradeep "

> > <vijayadas_pradeep@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Chandrashekhar ji

> > >

> > > Thanks for the info regarding sphuta.As you see i too was

thinking

> > > and generally referring to exact conjunction,but navamsha

sector was

> > > given by Bhaskar ji.

> > >

> > > Thus as you see,it is pointing to exact conjunction of

transiting

> > > planet,with navamsha lord of a bhavalord or planet.

> > >

> > > Yes ,i can understand,your feelings.But still you may tell

them that

> > > these are happening in rashi chakra so that people who are

wrong

> > > understandings,will trust.

> > >

> > > I somehow feel,some feel that who is talking has all

importance and

> > > what is being said has no importance.This is not the case.

> > >

> > > Respect

> > > Pradeep

> > >

> > > , Chandrashekhar

> > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Pradeep,

> > > >

> > > > Your understanding of the transit over a certain degree is

right.

> > > But

> > > > you have perhaps some confusion about the applicability of

the nadi

> > > > principles. it talks about the sphuta of the navamshesha.

That is

> > > the

> > > > exact degree of the lord of navamsha occupied by a bhava

lord. I

> > > trust

> > > > this is clear.

> > > >

> > > > I am as much a student of astrology as anybody else and do

not

> > > claim to

> > > > be more knowledgeable than others. I might have corrected a

wrong

> > > > interpretation of some principle, on the basis of the

principle as

> > > > understood by me earlier but with the type of language

flying on

> > > the

> > > > list and challenges being thrown around, I have no wish to

do so.

> > > >

> > > > Take care,

> > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > >

> > > > vijayadas_pradeep wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Chandrashekhar ji

> > > > >

> > > > > Navamshesha of a bhava lord.Say my lagna lord is Guru.Its

> > > > > navamshesha is Mercury.Mercury will be in some navamsha.It

is in

> > > > > Makara rashi in my case.Within Makara it is in Leo

navamsha.As far

> > > > > as i have seen the usage of amsha transits,one has to see

the

> > > > > transit from Leo rashi.I have explained this in the

mother/father

> > > > > navamsha/dwadashamsha shloka.

> > > > >

> > > > > Now there is another principle.In that you have to see

whether a

> > > > > planet is transiting the exact degrees of its

placement.transiting

> > > > > amshas is identical to it.

> > > > >

> > > > > In my case if a planet say saturn is transiting makara

rashi,leo

> > > > > amsha(as you have quoted) that is a 3.2 degree sector

within

> > > makara

> > > > > rashi,certain results can be predicted.

> > > > >

> > > > > It is physical transit exactly over my natal mercury's 3.2

degree

> > > > > span.

> > > > >

> > > > > How is this physical transit over natal rashi justifying

bhavas in

> > > > > navamsha chakra.You are a learned scholar and you have to

correct

> > > > > them if some one is making mistakes.

> > > > >

> > > > > Respect

> > > > > Pradeep

> > > > >

> > > > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar

> > > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Pradeep,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I do not know whether you have read Chandrakalanadi

Sanskrit

> > > > > shlokas,

> > > > > > but the reference to transit identical with the amshas

of the

> > > > > > navamshesha of a bhava lord is clearly given therein. So

> > > Prafulla

> > > > > is right.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > For the record, Garga was not considered sage like but

was a

> > > sage

> > > > > well

> > > > > > respected by even Parashara himself.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > vijayadas_pradeep wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Prafulla ji

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > If you may note,there were couple of cases similar to

what you

> > > > > > > talk,where Chandrashsekhar ji feels those as aspects

in varga

> > > > > > > chakras.Those cases are clealry explained in

> > > > > Dashadhayayi.Moreover

> > > > > > > Chandrashekhar ji had different opinion on kemadruma

and

> > > > > > > chandranavmshaka rashi.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Those cases too were explined not onlyin dashadhayayi

but by

> > > > > sagelike

> > > > > > > figures,Garga,Jeevasharma and sruthakeerthi.Those were

not

> > > > > english

> > > > > > > translations as you have given from Devakeralam.But in

> > > Sanskrit

> > > > > with

> > > > > > > clear reeference to rashi.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Thus ,the basic principle is amshas and amshakas roots

back to

> > > > > > > rashis.Within a Rashi we have amshas of other

rashis.For the

> > > same

> > > > > > > reason amshas and rashis are lorded by same planet.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > So what you are saying have to read in Rashi

chart.Transits

> > > can

> > > > > only

> > > > > > > be seen w.r to Rashi chart.How do you find navamsha

> > > > > rashi.Whether you

> > > > > > > see it from 3.2 degre sector or from a full navamshaka

> > > > > rashi,they are

> > > > > > > both pointing to Rashi chakra.Thus for transits there

is no

> > > > > amiguity

> > > > > > > at all.You can ask any Jyotishi.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Regds

> > > > > > > Pradeep

> > > > > > >

> > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > <%40>, Prafulla Gang

> > > <jyotish@>

> > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Pradeep,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > many thanks for your pointer.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Well, kalyan Varma must have hinted at partial

aspect -

> > > while

> > > > > > > referring to D chart aspect. let me search for

reference in

> > > > > Saravali

> > > > > > > and also search for Shri Rohini Ranjan's opinion

(which

> > > certainly

> > > > > > > carries more weight than my layman's opinion ) and

revert

> > > back.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I quote another reference:

> > > > > > > > Satyacharya:

> > > > > > > > " " As mercury and venus are in kendra (i.e. angular

rashis)

> > > in

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > navamsa chakra from each other, the native possess

Vahanas

> > > > > > > (conveyances). "

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > There are huge references in Deva Keralam - on use

of D9

> > > chart

> > > > > in

> > > > > > > transit analysis as well natal analysis - where

aspects are

> > > > > referred

> > > > > > > and navamsa chakras are referred.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > BPHS in current version - may not be conclusive

astrology

> > > > > document;

> > > > > > > as many equally respectable sages - have referred the

use of D

> > > > > charts

> > > > > > > and aspects therein.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > regards / Prafulla Gang

> > > > > > > > http://www.prafulla.net <http://www.prafulla.net>

> > > > > <http://www.prafulla.net <http://www.prafulla.net>>

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > " Men who never get carried away should be. "

> > > > > > > > ************************************************

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > vijayadas_pradeep@

> > > > > > > > > Fri, 06 Jul 2007 22:04:44 -0000

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > Re: Why Navamsa Chart is so

> > > important?

> > > > > > > Quarter/Half

> > > > > > > > > aspects

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear Prafulla ji

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > The mentioned aspects are clearly for placement in

> > > > > Rashis.Please

> > > > > > > > > check Saravali again.Also in another chapter

Kalyan Varma

> > > > > clearly

> > > > > > > > > mentions about every planet having ,quarter

aspect,half

> > > > > aspect

> > > > > > > > > etc,apart from full aspect.Thus it is pretty clear

that

> > > > > these are

> > > > > > > non-

> > > > > > > > > full aspects in rashi chart.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Shri Ranjan did raise this question before and

> > > > > Chandrashekhar ji

> > > > > > > too

> > > > > > > > > had given similr explanations.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Regds

> > > > > > > > > Pradeep

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > <%40>, Prafulla Gang

> > > <jyotish@>

> > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > > >> Dear Pradeep,

> > > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > > >> Another important issue - In D9 charts reference -

kalyan

> > > > > Varma

> > > > > > > has

> > > > > > > > > given hints for results for Sun aspecting venus;

or

> > > mercury

> > > > > > > aspecting

> > > > > > > > > venus. Since they can never " aspect " in Rashi

Kundli - the

> > > > > obvious

> > > > > > > > > reference was to Navamsa " chart " .

> > > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > > >> I do not think, kalyan varma can be treated at

par with

> > > > > current

> > > > > > > age

> > > > > > > > > scholars !!

> > > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > > >> regards / Prafulla Gang

> > > > > > > > >> http://www.prafulla.net <http://www.prafulla.net>

> > > > > <http://www.prafulla.net <http://www.prafulla.net>>

> > > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > > >> " Men who never get carried away should be. "

> > > > > > > > >> ************************************************

> > > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > > > >>> jyotish@

> > > > > > > > >>> Thu, 5 Jul 2007 20:23:15 -0800

> > > > > > > > >>>

> > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > >>> Re: Why Navamsa Chart is

so

> > > > > important?

> > > > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > > > >>> Dear Sreenadh ji

> > > > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > > > >>> Well - who knows the truth? - Should the person

making

> > > > > comment,

> > > > > > > be

> > > > > > > > >>> construed to be as truth seeker - until they

prove with

> > > the

> > > > > > > > > application

> > > > > > > > >>> of the principles on the charts ( both ways -

firstly

> > > the

> > > > > wrong

> > > > > > > > >>> application of others; and secondly how to read

in

> > > correct

> > > > > way).

> > > > > > > > >>> Theorists without predictive support - has little

> > > > > relevance in

> > > > > > > > > jyotish.

> > > > > > > > >>> But yes - if you can justify your statements by

case

> > > > > studies -

> > > > > > > > > then at

> > > > > > > > >>> least, I will hear with open mind.

> > > > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > > > >>> Understandably, I have been quoted to be " blind "

to

> > > > > > > commentaries -

> > > > > > > > > but my

> > > > > > > > >>> submission is that - give me one reason to

accept the

> > > views

> > > > > > > > > of " less read

> > > > > > > > >>> scholars " than to " well read scholars like Late

> > > > > Santhanam / Shri

> > > > > > > > > KN Rao /

> > > > > > > > >>> Shri Sanjay rath / many others " . and More so -

as I do

> > > > > > > > > not " pretend " to

> > > > > > > > >>> know the sanskrit and do not " waste " my time

on " shloka

> > > > > > > business "

> > > > > > > > > with my

> > > > > > > > >>> " incomplete knowledge " . So I am happy to be

following

> > > > > better

> > > > > > > > > quality

> > > > > > > > >>> commentaries - who are expalining with the case

studies.

> > > > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > > > >>> Of course - each one makes his choice.

> > > > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > > > >>> regards / Prafulla Gang

> > > > > > > > >>> http://www.prafulla.net

> > > > > <http://www.prafulla.net <http://www.prafulla.net>>

> > > > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > > > >>> " Men who never get carried away should be. "

> > > > > > > > >>> ************************************************

> > > > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > > > >>>>

> > > > > > > > >>>> sreesog@

> > > > > > > > >>>> Thu, 05 Jul 2007 07:00:31 -0000

> > > > > > > > >>>>

> > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > >>>> Re: Why Navamsa Chart is

so

> > > > > important?

> > > > > > > > >>>>

> > > > > > > > >>>> Dear Prafulla ji,

> > > > > > > > >>>> * Even if those things are not there in ancient

texts

> > > > > every

> > > > > > > one

> > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > >>>> free to make or follow there own choice - yes,

there is

> > > > > every

> > > > > > > > > chance

> > > > > > > > >>>> that even such new methods might give true

results -

> > > your

> > > > > > > > > argument is

> > > > > > > > >>>> right.

> > > > > > > > >>>> * As far Sanskrit is concerned: Yes, it is your

> > > choice -

> > > > > when

> > > > > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > >>>> are blind to read and understand Sanskrit your

self,

> > > and

> > > > > > > > > understand

> > > > > > > > >>>> what is there and what not, of course you have

to

> > > follow

> > > > > > > someone

> > > > > > > > > who

> > > > > > > > >>>> says they see - you are right in that as well.

> > > > > > > > >>>> Love,

> > > > > > > > >>>> Sreenadh

> > > > > > > > >>>>

> > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > <%40>, Prafulla Gang

> > > <jyotish@>

> > > > > > > > >>>> wrote:

> > > > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > > > >>>>> Well Sreenadh ji - at times, these issues

become

> > > choice

> > > > > or

> > > > > > > > >>>> prejudices in our own form of reading model.

Had there

> > > > > not been

> > > > > > > > > any

> > > > > > > > >>>> substance in interpreting D9 charts - lot many

> > > stalwarts

> > > > > must

> > > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > >>>> have explored it - and I presume - many of them

know

> > > > > better

> > > > > > > > >>>> sanskrit / jyotish (rather both) than all of us

on the

> > > > > forum

> > > > > > > > >>>> collectively. So if at all - anyone wish to

contest the

> > > > > > > > >>>> interpretation - then many of those stalwarts

are the

> > > > > people -

> > > > > > > > > must

> > > > > > > > >>>> be debated with. On the forum, where not many

great

> > > > > sanskrit

> > > > > > > > >>>> scholars / jyotish researchers - the arguments

may not

> > > > > have any

> > > > > > > > >>>> relevance.

> > > > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > > > >>>>> regards / Prafulla Gang

> > > > > > > > >>>>> http://www.prafulla.net

> > > > > <http://www.prafulla.net <http://www.prafulla.net>>

> > > > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > > > >>>>> " The right to be heard does not automatically

include

> > > the

> > > > > > > right

> > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > >>>> be taken seriously. "

> > > > > > > > >>>>>

************************************************

> > > > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > > > > >>>>>> sreesog@

> > > > > > > > >>>>>> Tue, 03 Jul 2007 13:56:36 -0000

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > >>>>>> Re: Why Navamsa Chart

is so

> > > > > important?

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > > > > >>>>>> Dear Prafulla ji,

> > > > > > > > >>>>>> * No ancient text ask us to read Navamsha (not

> > > > > chart) " just

> > > > > > > > > like

> > > > > > > > >>>> D1

> > > > > > > > >>>>>> chart " ; nor they provide slokas for the same.

> > > > > > > > >>>>>> * No ancient text provide as the results

> > > for " aspects of

> > > > > > > > > planets

> > > > > > > > >>>> in

> > > > > > > > >>>>>> Navamasa "

> > > > > > > > >>>>>> * Nor they give us the results to be

predicted when

> > > > > planets

> > > > > > > > > are

> > > > > > > > >>>>>> placed " x house with reference to navamsa

lagna "

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > > > > >>>>>> I hope we are trying to study astrology as

taught by

> > > the

> > > > > > > > > sages;

> > > > > > > > >>>> If

> > > > > > > > >>>>>> not I don't have anything to say.

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > > > > >>>>>> Love,

> > > > > > > > >>>>>> Sreenadh

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > <%40>, Prafulla Gang

> > > <jyotish@>

> > > > > > > > >>>>>> wrote:

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> Dear Sreenadh ji

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> I have also observed many jyotish stalwarts

using

> > > > > navamsa

> > > > > > > > > chart

> > > > > > > > >>>>>> (along with other D charts). Now how to

assess D9

> > > > > charts -

> > > > > > > > > can be

> > > > > > > > >>>>>> perspective. But - as most authors say - just

like D1

> > > > > chart.

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> I request members to share their experience.

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> regards / Prafulla Gang

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> http://www.prafulla.net

> > > > > <http://www.prafulla.net <http://www.prafulla.net>>

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> " The right to be heard does not

automatically

> > > include

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > right

> > > > > > > > >>>> to

> > > > > > > > >>>>>> be taken seriously. "

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>

************************************************

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> sreesog@

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> Tue, 03 Jul 2007 07:56:49 -0000

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>

> > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> Re: Why Navamsa

Chart is so

> > > > > > > important?

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> Dear Krishna ji,

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> ==>

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> I too to the view that Navamsa

chart is

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> as important as Rasi chart.

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> <==

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> * There is not Navamsa " chart " , but only

Navamsa.

> > > > > Navamsa

> > > > > > > > > chart

> > > > > > > > >>>>>> is

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> not as important as Rasi chart and it can

never be,

> > > > > because

> > > > > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > >>>> is

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> only an amsa. But yes, it is more important

than

> > > other

> > > > > > > amsas

> > > > > > > > > due

> > > > > > > > >>>>>> to

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> the prior said reasons.

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> ==>

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> - Why strength of a planet is Navamsa

determines

> > > the

> > > > > > > overall

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> strength of a planet?

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> <==

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> * Because the quality of earth determines

the

> > > > > strength of

> > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> plant. This is applicable to all amsas as

per their

> > > > > > > > > importance.

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> ==>

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> - Why it is allowed to consider aspects in

Navamsa

> > > > > chart

> > > > > > > > > like

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> aspects in a Rasi chart?

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> <==

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> * No, it is not allowed to consider aspects

in

> > > > > Navamsa.

> > > > > > > > > (There

> > > > > > > > >>>>>> is

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> no navamsa 'chart'.)

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> ==>

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> - Why sambandha of planets in Navamsa

chart can be

> > > > > treated

> > > > > > > > > as

> > > > > > > > >>>> if

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> the planets have a sambandha in Rasi chart?

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> <==

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> * No, when planets have sambandha in

Navamsa, it

> > > only

> > > > > > > means

> > > > > > > > >>>> that.

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> When they have sombandha in Rasi, it only

means

> > > that.

> > > > > It is

> > > > > > > > >>>> wrong

> > > > > > > > >>>>>> to

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> mix the two.

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> ==>

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> - Why yogas should be looked at in navamsa

chart

> > > as

> > > > > well?

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> <==

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> * No, Yogas should not be looked in

> > > Navamsa 'chart'.

> > > > > But

> > > > > > > yes

> > > > > > > > >>>>>> yoga in

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> Navamsa (not navamsa 'chart') can be taken

yoga.

> > > > > Because it

> > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > >>>> the

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> same principles as used in Rasi that are

used to

> > > > > predict

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > >>>>>> result

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> in Amsas as well - But Aspect(Drishti) and

houses

> > > are

> > > > > not

> > > > > > > > >>>>>> applicable

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> to amsas. Both Aspect(Drishti) and Houses

should be

> > > > > > > > > considered

> > > > > > > > >>>> in

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> Rasi chart itself. Any reference in ancient

texts

> > > > > about

> > > > > > > > > aspect

> > > > > > > > >>>> or

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> houses essentially mean that they are

referring to

> > > > > Rasi

> > > > > > > > > chart.

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> Love,

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> Sreenadh

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>

> > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > <%40>, Krishnamurthy

> > > > > > > Seetharama

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> <krishna_1998@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> Dear Kolachina ji,

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> It was interesting to read your comments on

> > > > > importance of

> > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> Navamsa chart. I too to the view

that

> > > > > Navamsa

> > > > > > > > > chart

> > > > > > > > >>>> is

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> as important as Rasi chart. This is based

on my

> > > > > experience

> > > > > > > > > so

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> far reading charts. However, I have still

not

> > > > > understood

> > > > > > > > > what

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> are the fundamental reasons for a varga

chart

> > > being

> > > > > so

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> important.

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> - Why strength of a planet is Navamsa

determines

> > > the

> > > > > > > overall

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> strength of a planet?

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> - Why it is allowed to consider aspects in

Navamsa

> > > > > chart

> > > > > > > > > like

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> aspects in a Rasi chart?

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> - Why sambandha of planets in Navamsa

chart can be

> > > > > treated

> > > > > > > > > as

> > > > > > > > >>>> if

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> the planets have a sambandha in Rasi chart?

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> - Why yogas should be looked at in navamsa

chart

> > > as

> > > > > well?

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> By looking at the kind of importance given

to

> > > Navamsa

> > > > > > > > > chart, it

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> appears that the Rasi chart and Navamsa

chart make

> > > > > up two

> > > > > > > > > equal

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> halves representing the native.

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> I have no doubts about the importance of

Navamsa

> > > > > Chart.

> > > > > > > > > What I

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> would like to know is why Navamsa gains

such an

> > > > > > > importance?

> > > > > > > > >>>> What

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> are the fundamental reasons? After all it

is one

> > > of

> > > > > many

> > > > > > > > > varga

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> charts!

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> Regards,

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> Krishna

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> --- Satya Sai Kolachina <skolachi@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> Dear Sri Pradeep and Sri Chandrasekhar,

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> I have been following this thread on

karakamsa

> > > and

> > > > > both

> > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> your

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> contributions.

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> I whole-heartedly appreciate both of you

for your

> > > > > > > valuable

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> inputs

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> you are providing to the astrological

community.

> > > I

> > > > > would

> > > > > > > > > like

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> to

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> share my opinion (through my own

experience).

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> Considering Karakamsa from either Rasi or

Navamsa

> > > > > chart

> > > > > > > > > alone

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> most

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> probably leads to erroneous results, as I

found

> > > > > both the

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> approaches

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> working. I see the point Pradeep is

making as

> > > very

> > > > > > > > > valuable;

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> at the

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> same time I am not against using Navamsa

chart as

> > > > > > > separate

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> chart (of

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> course without losing the context of the

Rasi

> > > > > chart),

> > > > > > > since

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> any of

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> the varga charts will not give

independent

> > > results

> > > > > if the

> > > > > > > > > Rasi

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> chart

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> is ignored, as they themselves do not

exist if

> > > the

> > > > > Rasi

> > > > > > > > > chart

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> doesn't exist. In fact Sri KN Rao also

mentioned

> > > in

> > > > > > > several

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> occassions in many of his articles and

books that

> > > > > yogas

> > > > > > > > > viewed

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> in

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> the Rasi chart should also exist in the

Navamsa

> > > > > chart for

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> confirming

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> the results. If we do not see the Navamsa

chart

> > > as a

> > > > > > > > > separate

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> chart,

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> how can we see the yogas therein? For the

> > > purpose of

> > > > > > > > > checking

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> some

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> yogas, Yuti and Veekshana (conjunction

and

> > > aspects)

> > > > > in

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> navamsa

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> chart make sense. This kind of yuti or

veekshana

> > > > > should

> > > > > > > be

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> considered on a hypothetical level (as

mutual

> > > > > influence

> > > > > > > at

> > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> amsha level) rather than being within a

30 deg.

> > > > > span. of

> > > > > > > > > Rasi.

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> Take an example. If a planet is exlated

or in own

> > > > > house

> > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> rasi

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> chart and attains debilitation in the

Navamsa

> > > > > chart, it

> > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> condiered

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> as weakening of the actual strength shown

in the

> > > > > Rasi.

> > > > > > > Why

> > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> this

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> considered so? It is considered like that

> > > because,

> > > > > even

> > > > > > > > > though

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> the

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> planet is within its own or exlated rasi,

still

> > > its

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> positioning

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> within that particular sector (here

navamsa) has

> > > > > weakened

> > > > > > > > > it;

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> means,

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> within its own rasi, this particular

sector is

> > > the

> > > > > > > weakest

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> point for

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> the planet within the strongest rasi;

hence it

> > > > > loses its

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> strength

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> considerably. This means there is a

gradation of

> > > > > > > strengths

> > > > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> the

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> planet from first navamsa to the last

navamsa.

> > > The

> > > > > > > navamsa

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> position

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> of a planet, thus indicates its refined

placement

> > > > > within

> > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> rasi.

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> In fact, Sri KN Rao also gives equal

weightage to

> > > > > both

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> Rasi and

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> Navamsa placement of a planet. If a

planet is

> > > weak

> > > > > in one

> > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> them

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> that means half the weightage is lost. We

may not

> > > > > give

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> same

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> level of treatment to other vargas as we

give to

> > > > > Navamsa;

> > > > > > > > > but

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> Navamsa is as important as the Rasi; to

the

> > > extent

> > > > > that

> > > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > > can

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> be

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> viewed as an independent chart (to

confirm the

> > > > > promise

> > > > > > > > > given

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> by the

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> rasi chart).

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> Without a confirmation of Navamsa chart,

yogas in

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > rasi

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> chart

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> alone cannot and will not give expected

results;

> > > I

> > > > > have

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> observed

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> this phenomenon in several charts.

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> My own experience is; I have Chandra and

Sukra

> > > both

> > > > > in

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> 12th

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> house from Karakamsa in the Navamsa chart

(not in

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > rasi

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> chart

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> with the rasi of karakamsa considering as

the

> > > > > karakamsa

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> lagna). I am

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> a deep devotee of Goddess Parvathi

(represented

> > > by

> > > > > > > Chandra)

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> and

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> Goddess Lakshmi (represented by Sukra).

If the

> > > > > karakamsa

> > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> brought

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> to the Rasi chart, this cannot be

explained. The

> > > > > sequence

> > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> my life

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> events are better explained only if I

consider

> > > > > karakamsa

> > > > > > > > > lagna

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> in

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> the navamsa chart; I am not discounting

Pradeep's

> > > > > opinion

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> here; I am

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> just saying that both approaches need to

be

> > > > > considered on

> > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> chart,

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> and a composite opinion be formed, as Sri

KN Rao

> > > > > always

> > > > > > > > > says.

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> On the other hand, considering the

specific rasi

> > > in

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > Rasi

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> chart

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> that holds karakamsa as the karakamsa

lagna, my

> > > > > Sukra is

> > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> the 4th

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> house indicating my possession of a nice

> > > beautiful

> > > > > house,

> > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> education/skills in arts (in addition to

other

> > > > > > > traditional

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> education).

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> I am bringing this to both your knowledge

only to

> > > > > > > summarize

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> that

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> both your theories give results; but not

> > > > > necessarily in

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> isolation of

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> the other.

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> Thanks for all your contribution.

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> Best regards,

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> Satya S Kolachina

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> Dear Pradeep,

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> I can not comment on views of either

Sanjay or

> > > K.

> > > > > N.

> > > > > > > Rao.

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> First

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> there is

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> no difference in the meaning of Amsha

and

> > > Amshaka

> > > > > though

> > > > > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> is

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> perhaps

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> being confused. It also needs to be

remembered

> > > > > that in

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> astrological

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> translations many a times words are to be

> > > > > understood in

> > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> context that

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> they used. So we find Parashara

mentioning

> > > > > karakamsha

> > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> Swamsha

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> in

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> alternate lines (almost) while

indicating the

> > > > > results of

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> occupation of

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> Karakamsha by Sun etc. and many other

places in

> > > > > > > karakamsha

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> adhyaaya.

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> This does not mean he is speaking about

two

> > > > > different

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> parameters.

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> I

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> think if any Sanskrit scholar who is

also well

> > > > > versed in

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> interpretation

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> of astrological texts will confirm this

> > > contention

> > > > > of

> > > > > > > mine

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> if he

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> is

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> watching this discussion.

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> If you want my personal opinion, I think

that

> > > the

> > > > > > > results

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> indicated on

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> the basis of Karakamsha without

reference to the

> > > > > > > potential

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> promised by

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> the rasi chart and the strength derived

by the

> > > > > grahas in

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> rasi

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> chart,

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> through the Navamsha chart, are not

likely to

> > > > > > > > > materialize. I

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> hope

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> this

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> opinion of mine does not create a big

storm in

> > > the

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> discussion on

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> the

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> list. But this is my personal opinion,

for

> > > > > whatever it

> > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> worth.

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> Take care,

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> vijayadas_pradeep wrote:

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> Dear Chandrashekhar ji and Respected

members

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> Shri Sanjay Rath clearly says ,Amshaka

is

> > > > > pointing to

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> Rashi

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> in

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> which a graha is having amsha.He also

> > > > > says,Karakamsha

> > > > > > > has

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> one

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> meaning ,while Karakamsha KA has

another

> > > meaning.

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> Chandrashekhar jis view is Amshaka is

not

> > > > > pointing to

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> Rashi

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> in

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> which a graha is having amsha.

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> Now Chandraekhar jis view is prudent as

there

> > > are

> > > > > some

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> shlokas

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> which

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> shri Rath somehow has

overlooked,contradicting

> > > > > his view

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> point.

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> I respect shri Rath ,but i have to tell

> > > > > this.Sometimes

> > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> answer and

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> explanations given by shri Rath are not

> > > preceded

> > > > > by

> > > > > > > > > proper

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> === message truncated ===

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>

> > > > > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > > > > >>>>

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

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July 9, 2007

Dear Chandrashekhar ji

I respect your views.Me too gives importance to what is being said

than who is saying,though who is talking has its own share of

importance.

Thus my intention was not to rate sages.I had to do this as ,i am no

man.My views are not considered worth by many,even if i am logically

presenting with the help of paramanas.Thus i have to rely on

scholars who lived before contemporary astrologers.

Even though this is your personal opinion,i respect it as it is the

correct approach and we should not rate them.we have to see what

they are talking.

Respect

Pradeep

, Chandrashekhar

<chandrashekhar46 wrote:

>

> Dear Pradeep,

>

> Everyone of them is worthy of respect, as far as I am concerned.

However

> I do not get into the habit of giving more importance to one or

the

> other. If you do that on the basis of who praises whom, then with

the

> list you have suggested, you will have to accept Satyacharya whom

Varaha

> Mihira quotes as authority. same with Yavanacharya and Jeevsharma.

>

> Once we get into the habit of rating authorities in jyotish, we

may get

> into the habit of assuming that Jyotish knowledge is restricted to

only

> a few texts. that is certainly not the case. it is said

that " laxaM

> vyakaranam proktaM chaturlaxam tu jyotisham " .

>

> Of course this is my personal opinion and others can hold a

different view.

>

> take care,

> Chandrashekhar.

>

> vijayadas_pradeep wrote:

> >

> > Dear Chandrashekhar ji

> >

> > How about shrutakeerthi and jeevasharma.How about dashadhyayi

which

> > prashnamarga is praising.How about Varhamihira,which shri Rath

too

> > agrees(he cannot disgree as they are so evident) that amshaka

has to

> > be seen from rashi.

> >

> > Respect

> > Pradeep

> >

> > <%40>, Chandrashekhar

> > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Pradeep,

> > >

> > > I do not know whether you have read Chandrakalanadi Sanskrit

> > shlokas,

> > > but the reference to transit identical with the amshas of the

> > > navamshesha of a bhava lord is clearly given therein. So

Prafulla

> > is right.

> > >

> > > For the record, Garga was not considered sage like but was a

sage

> > well

> > > respected by even Parashara himself.

> > >

> > > Chandrashekhar.

> > >

> > > vijayadas_pradeep wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Prafulla ji

> > > >

> > > > If you may note,there were couple of cases similar to what

you

> > > > talk,where Chandrashsekhar ji feels those as aspects in varga

> > > > chakras.Those cases are clealry explained in

> > Dashadhayayi.Moreover

> > > > Chandrashekhar ji had different opinion on kemadruma and

> > > > chandranavmshaka rashi.

> > > >

> > > > Those cases too were explined not onlyin dashadhayayi but by

> > sagelike

> > > > figures,Garga,Jeevasharma and sruthakeerthi.Those were not

> > english

> > > > translations as you have given from Devakeralam.But in

Sanskrit

> > with

> > > > clear reeference to rashi.

> > > >

> > > > Thus ,the basic principle is amshas and amshakas roots back

to

> > > > rashis.Within a Rashi we have amshas of other rashis.For the

same

> > > > reason amshas and rashis are lorded by same planet.

> > > >

> > > > So what you are saying have to read in Rashi chart.Transits

can

> > only

> > > > be seen w.r to Rashi chart.How do you find navamsha

> > rashi.Whether you

> > > > see it from 3.2 degre sector or from a full navamshaka

> > rashi,they are

> > > > both pointing to Rashi chakra.Thus for transits there is no

> > amiguity

> > > > at all.You can ask any Jyotishi.

> > > >

> > > > Regds

> > > > Pradeep

> > > >

> > <%40>

> > > > <%40>, Prafulla Gang

<jyotish@>

> > > > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Pradeep,

> > > > >

> > > > > many thanks for your pointer.

> > > > >

> > > > > Well, kalyan Varma must have hinted at partial aspect -

while

> > > > referring to D chart aspect. let me search for reference in

> > Saravali

> > > > and also search for Shri Rohini Ranjan's opinion (which

certainly

> > > > carries more weight than my layman's opinion ) and revert

back.

> > > > >

> > > > > I quote another reference:

> > > > > Satyacharya:

> > > > > " " As mercury and venus are in kendra (i.e. angular rashis)

in

> > the

> > > > navamsa chakra from each other, the native possess Vahanas

> > > > (conveyances). "

> > > > >

> > > > > There are huge references in Deva Keralam - on use of D9

chart

> > in

> > > > transit analysis as well natal analysis - where aspects are

> > referred

> > > > and navamsa chakras are referred.

> > > > >

> > > > > BPHS in current version - may not be conclusive astrology

> > document;

> > > > as many equally respectable sages - have referred the use of

D

> > charts

> > > > and aspects therein.

> > > > >

> > > > > regards / Prafulla Gang

> > > > > http://www.prafulla.net <http://www.prafulla.net>

> > <http://www.prafulla.net <http://www.prafulla.net>>

> > > > >

> > > > > " Men who never get carried away should be. "

> > > > > ************************************************

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > vijayadas_pradeep@

> > > > > > Fri, 06 Jul 2007 22:04:44 -0000

> > > > > >

> > <%40>

> > > > <%40>

> > > > > > Re: Why Navamsa Chart is so

important?

> > > > Quarter/Half

> > > > > > aspects

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Prafulla ji

> > > > > >

> > > > > > The mentioned aspects are clearly for placement in

> > Rashis.Please

> > > > > > check Saravali again.Also in another chapter Kalyan Varma

> > clearly

> > > > > > mentions about every planet having ,quarter aspect,half

> > aspect

> > > > > > etc,apart from full aspect.Thus it is pretty clear that

> > these are

> > > > non-

> > > > > > full aspects in rashi chart.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Shri Ranjan did raise this question before and

> > Chandrashekhar ji

> > > > too

> > > > > > had given similr explanations.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Regds

> > > > > > Pradeep

> > > > > >

> > <%40>

> > > > <%40>, Prafulla Gang

<jyotish@>

> > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > >>

> > > > > >> Dear Pradeep,

> > > > > >>

> > > > > >> Another important issue - In D9 charts reference -

kalyan

> > Varma

> > > > has

> > > > > > given hints for results for Sun aspecting venus; or

mercury

> > > > aspecting

> > > > > > venus. Since they can never " aspect " in Rashi Kundli -

the

> > obvious

> > > > > > reference was to Navamsa " chart " .

> > > > > >>

> > > > > >> I do not think, kalyan varma can be treated at par with

> > current

> > > > age

> > > > > > scholars !!

> > > > > >>

> > > > > >> regards / Prafulla Gang

> > > > > >> http://www.prafulla.net <http://www.prafulla.net>

> > <http://www.prafulla.net <http://www.prafulla.net>>

> > > > > >>

> > > > > >> " Men who never get carried away should be. "

> > > > > >> ************************************************

> > > > > >>

> > > > > >>>

> > > > > >>> jyotish@

> > > > > >>> Thu, 5 Jul 2007 20:23:15 -0800

> > > > > >>>

> > <%40>

> > > > <%40>

> > > > > >>> Re: Why Navamsa Chart is so

> > important?

> > > > > >>>

> > > > > >>> Dear Sreenadh ji

> > > > > >>>

> > > > > >>> Well - who knows the truth? - Should the person making

> > comment,

> > > > be

> > > > > >>> construed to be as truth seeker - until they prove

with the

> > > > > > application

> > > > > >>> of the principles on the charts ( both ways - firstly

the

> > wrong

> > > > > >>> application of others; and secondly how to read in

correct

> > way).

> > > > > >>> Theorists without predictive support - has little

> > relevance in

> > > > > > jyotish.

> > > > > >>> But yes - if you can justify your statements by case

> > studies -

> > > > > > then at

> > > > > >>> least, I will hear with open mind.

> > > > > >>>

> > > > > >>> Understandably, I have been quoted to be " blind " to

> > > > commentaries -

> > > > > > but my

> > > > > >>> submission is that - give me one reason to accept the

views

> > > > > > of " less read

> > > > > >>> scholars " than to " well read scholars like Late

> > Santhanam / Shri

> > > > > > KN Rao /

> > > > > >>> Shri Sanjay rath / many others " . and More so - as I do

> > > > > > not " pretend " to

> > > > > >>> know the sanskrit and do not " waste " my time on " shloka

> > > > business "

> > > > > > with my

> > > > > >>> " incomplete knowledge " . So I am happy to be following

> > better

> > > > > > quality

> > > > > >>> commentaries - who are expalining with the case

studies.

> > > > > >>>

> > > > > >>> Of course - each one makes his choice.

> > > > > >>>

> > > > > >>> regards / Prafulla Gang

> > > > > >>> http://www.prafulla.net <http://www.prafulla.net>

> > <http://www.prafulla.net <http://www.prafulla.net>>

> > > > > >>>

> > > > > >>> " Men who never get carried away should be. "

> > > > > >>> ************************************************

> > > > > >>>

> > > > > >>>>

> > > > > >>>> sreesog@

> > > > > >>>> Thu, 05 Jul 2007 07:00:31 -0000

> > > > > >>>>

> > <%40>

> > > > <%40>

> > > > > >>>> Re: Why Navamsa Chart is so

> > important?

> > > > > >>>>

> > > > > >>>> Dear Prafulla ji,

> > > > > >>>> * Even if those things are not there in ancient texts

> > every

> > > > one

> > > > > > is

> > > > > >>>> free to make or follow there own choice - yes, there

is

> > every

> > > > > > chance

> > > > > >>>> that even such new methods might give true results -

your

> > > > > > argument is

> > > > > >>>> right.

> > > > > >>>> * As far Sanskrit is concerned: Yes, it is your

choice -

> > when

> > > > > > you

> > > > > >>>> are blind to read and understand Sanskrit your self,

and

> > > > > > understand

> > > > > >>>> what is there and what not, of course you have to

follow

> > > > someone

> > > > > > who

> > > > > >>>> says they see - you are right in that as well.

> > > > > >>>> Love,

> > > > > >>>> Sreenadh

> > > > > >>>>

> > <%40>

> > > > <%40>, Prafulla Gang

<jyotish@>

> > > > > >>>> wrote:

> > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > >>>>> Well Sreenadh ji - at times, these issues become

choice

> > or

> > > > > >>>> prejudices in our own form of reading model. Had there

> > not been

> > > > > > any

> > > > > >>>> substance in interpreting D9 charts - lot many

stalwarts

> > must

> > > > not

> > > > > >>>> have explored it - and I presume - many of them know

> > better

> > > > > >>>> sanskrit / jyotish (rather both) than all of us on the

> > forum

> > > > > >>>> collectively. So if at all - anyone wish to contest

the

> > > > > >>>> interpretation - then many of those stalwarts are the

> > people -

> > > > > > must

> > > > > >>>> be debated with. On the forum, where not many great

> > sanskrit

> > > > > >>>> scholars / jyotish researchers - the arguments may not

> > have any

> > > > > >>>> relevance.

> > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > >>>>> regards / Prafulla Gang

> > > > > >>>>> http://www.prafulla.net <http://www.prafulla.net>

> > <http://www.prafulla.net <http://www.prafulla.net>>

> > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > >>>>> " The right to be heard does not automatically

include the

> > > > right

> > > > > > to

> > > > > >>>> be taken seriously. "

> > > > > >>>>> ************************************************

> > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > >>>>>> sreesog@

> > > > > >>>>>> Tue, 03 Jul 2007 13:56:36 -0000

> > > > > >>>>>>

> > <%40>

> > > > <%40>

> > > > > >>>>>> Re: Why Navamsa Chart is so

> > important?

> > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > >>>>>> Dear Prafulla ji,

> > > > > >>>>>> * No ancient text ask us to read Navamsha (not

> > chart) " just

> > > > > > like

> > > > > >>>> D1

> > > > > >>>>>> chart " ; nor they provide slokas for the same.

> > > > > >>>>>> * No ancient text provide as the results

for " aspects of

> > > > > > planets

> > > > > >>>> in

> > > > > >>>>>> Navamasa "

> > > > > >>>>>> * Nor they give us the results to be predicted when

> > planets

> > > > > > are

> > > > > >>>>>> placed " x house with reference to navamsa lagna "

> > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > >>>>>> I hope we are trying to study astrology as taught

by the

> > > > > > sages;

> > > > > >>>> If

> > > > > >>>>>> not I don't have anything to say.

> > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > >>>>>> Love,

> > > > > >>>>>> Sreenadh

> > > > > >>>>>>

> > <%40>

> > > > <%40>, Prafulla Gang

<jyotish@>

> > > > > >>>>>> wrote:

> > > > > >>>>>>>

> > > > > >>>>>>> Dear Sreenadh ji

> > > > > >>>>>>>

> > > > > >>>>>>> I have also observed many jyotish stalwarts using

> > navamsa

> > > > > > chart

> > > > > >>>>>> (along with other D charts). Now how to assess D9

> > charts -

> > > > > > can be

> > > > > >>>>>> perspective. But - as most authors say - just like

D1

> > chart.

> > > > > >>>>>>>

> > > > > >>>>>>> I request members to share their experience.

> > > > > >>>>>>>

> > > > > >>>>>>> regards / Prafulla Gang

> > > > > >>>>>>> http://www.prafulla.net <http://www.prafulla.net>

> > <http://www.prafulla.net <http://www.prafulla.net>>

> > > > > >>>>>>>

> > > > > >>>>>>> " The right to be heard does not automatically

include

> > the

> > > > > > right

> > > > > >>>> to

> > > > > >>>>>> be taken seriously. "

> > > > > >>>>>>> ************************************************

> > > > > >>>>>>>

> > > > > >>>>>>>>

> > > > > >>>>>>>> sreesog@

> > > > > >>>>>>>> Tue, 03 Jul 2007 07:56:49 -0000

> > > > > >>>>>>>>

> > <%40>

> > > > <%40>

> > > > > >>>>>>>> Re: Why Navamsa Chart is so

> > > > important?

> > > > > >>>>>>>>

> > > > > >>>>>>>> Dear Krishna ji,

> > > > > >>>>>>>> ==>

> > > > > >>>>>>>>> I too to the view that Navamsa chart is

> > > > > >>>>>>>>> as important as Rasi chart.

> > > > > >>>>>>>> <==

> > > > > >>>>>>>> * There is not Navamsa " chart " , but only Navamsa.

> > Navamsa

> > > > > > chart

> > > > > >>>>>> is

> > > > > >>>>>>>> not as important as Rasi chart and it can never

be,

> > because

> > > > > > it

> > > > > >>>> is

> > > > > >>>>>>>> only an amsa. But yes, it is more important than

other

> > > > amsas

> > > > > > due

> > > > > >>>>>> to

> > > > > >>>>>>>> the prior said reasons.

> > > > > >>>>>>>> ==>

> > > > > >>>>>>>>> - Why strength of a planet is Navamsa determines

the

> > > > overall

> > > > > >>>>>>>>> strength of a planet?

> > > > > >>>>>>>> <==

> > > > > >>>>>>>> * Because the quality of earth determines the

> > strength of

> > > > > > the

> > > > > >>>>>>>> plant. This is applicable to all amsas as per

their

> > > > > > importance.

> > > > > >>>>>>>> ==>

> > > > > >>>>>>>>> - Why it is allowed to consider aspects in

Navamsa

> > chart

> > > > > > like

> > > > > >>>>>>>>> aspects in a Rasi chart?

> > > > > >>>>>>>> <==

> > > > > >>>>>>>> * No, it is not allowed to consider aspects in

> > Navamsa.

> > > > > > (There

> > > > > >>>>>> is

> > > > > >>>>>>>> no navamsa 'chart'.)

> > > > > >>>>>>>>

> > > > > >>>>>>>> ==>

> > > > > >>>>>>>>> - Why sambandha of planets in Navamsa chart can

be

> > treated

> > > > > > as

> > > > > >>>> if

> > > > > >>>>>>>>> the planets have a sambandha in Rasi chart?

> > > > > >>>>>>>> <==

> > > > > >>>>>>>> * No, when planets have sambandha in Navamsa, it

only

> > > > means

> > > > > >>>> that.

> > > > > >>>>>>>> When they have sombandha in Rasi, it only means

that.

> > It is

> > > > > >>>> wrong

> > > > > >>>>>> to

> > > > > >>>>>>>> mix the two.

> > > > > >>>>>>>> ==>

> > > > > >>>>>>>>> - Why yogas should be looked at in navamsa chart

as

> > well?

> > > > > >>>>>>>> <==

> > > > > >>>>>>>> * No, Yogas should not be looked in

Navamsa 'chart'.

> > But

> > > > yes

> > > > > >>>>>> yoga in

> > > > > >>>>>>>> Navamsa (not navamsa 'chart') can be taken yoga.

> > Because it

> > > > > > is

> > > > > >>>> the

> > > > > >>>>>>>> same principles as used in Rasi that are used to

> > predict

> > > > the

> > > > > >>>>>> result

> > > > > >>>>>>>> in Amsas as well - But Aspect(Drishti) and houses

are

> > not

> > > > > >>>>>> applicable

> > > > > >>>>>>>> to amsas. Both Aspect(Drishti) and Houses should

be

> > > > > > considered

> > > > > >>>> in

> > > > > >>>>>>>> Rasi chart itself. Any reference in ancient texts

> > about

> > > > > > aspect

> > > > > >>>> or

> > > > > >>>>>>>> houses essentially mean that they are referring to

> > Rasi

> > > > > > chart.

> > > > > >>>>>>>> Love,

> > > > > >>>>>>>> Sreenadh

> > > > > >>>>>>>>

> > <%40>

> > > > <%40>, Krishnamurthy

> > > > Seetharama

> > > > > >>>>>>>> <krishna_1998@> wrote:

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>

> > > > > >>>>>>>>> Dear Kolachina ji,

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>

> > > > > >>>>>>>>> It was interesting to read your comments on

> > importance of

> > > > > > the

> > > > > >>>>>>>>> Navamsa chart. I too to the view that

> > Navamsa

> > > > > > chart

> > > > > >>>> is

> > > > > >>>>>>>>> as important as Rasi chart. This is based on my

> > experience

> > > > > > so

> > > > > >>>>>>>>> far reading charts. However, I have still not

> > understood

> > > > > > what

> > > > > >>>>>>>>> are the fundamental reasons for a varga chart

being

> > so

> > > > > >>>>>>>>> important.

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>

> > > > > >>>>>>>>> - Why strength of a planet is Navamsa determines

the

> > > > overall

> > > > > >>>>>>>>> strength of a planet?

> > > > > >>>>>>>>> - Why it is allowed to consider aspects in

Navamsa

> > chart

> > > > > > like

> > > > > >>>>>>>>> aspects in a Rasi chart?

> > > > > >>>>>>>>> - Why sambandha of planets in Navamsa chart can

be

> > treated

> > > > > > as

> > > > > >>>> if

> > > > > >>>>>>>>> the planets have a sambandha in Rasi chart?

> > > > > >>>>>>>>> - Why yogas should be looked at in navamsa chart

as

> > well?

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>

> > > > > >>>>>>>>> By looking at the kind of importance given to

Navamsa

> > > > > > chart, it

> > > > > >>>>>>>>> appears that the Rasi chart and Navamsa chart

make

> > up two

> > > > > > equal

> > > > > >>>>>>>>> halves representing the native.

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>

> > > > > >>>>>>>>> I have no doubts about the importance of Navamsa

> > Chart.

> > > > > > What I

> > > > > >>>>>>>>> would like to know is why Navamsa gains such an

> > > > importance?

> > > > > >>>> What

> > > > > >>>>>>>>> are the fundamental reasons? After all it is one

of

> > many

> > > > > > varga

> > > > > >>>>>>>>> charts!

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>

> > > > > >>>>>>>>> Regards,

> > > > > >>>>>>>>> Krishna

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>

> > > > > >>>>>>>>> --- Satya Sai Kolachina <skolachi@> wrote:

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> Dear Sri Pradeep and Sri Chandrasekhar,

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> I have been following this thread on karakamsa

and

> > both

> > > > of

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> your

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> contributions.

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> I whole-heartedly appreciate both of you for

your

> > > > valuable

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> inputs

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> you are providing to the astrological

community. I

> > would

> > > > > > like

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> to

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> share my opinion (through my own experience).

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> Considering Karakamsa from either Rasi or

Navamsa

> > chart

> > > > > > alone

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> most

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> probably leads to erroneous results, as I found

> > both the

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> approaches

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> working. I see the point Pradeep is making as

very

> > > > > > valuable;

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> at the

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> same time I am not against using Navamsa chart

as

> > > > separate

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> chart (of

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> course without losing the context of the Rasi

> > chart),

> > > > since

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> any of

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> the varga charts will not give independent

results

> > if the

> > > > > > Rasi

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> chart

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> is ignored, as they themselves do not exist if

the

> > Rasi

> > > > > > chart

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> doesn't exist. In fact Sri KN Rao also

mentioned in

> > > > several

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> occassions in many of his articles and books

that

> > yogas

> > > > > > viewed

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> in

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> the Rasi chart should also exist in the Navamsa

> > chart for

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> confirming

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> the results. If we do not see the Navamsa chart

as a

> > > > > > separate

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> chart,

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> how can we see the yogas therein? For the

purpose of

> > > > > > checking

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> some

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> yogas, Yuti and Veekshana (conjunction and

aspects)

> > in

> > > > the

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> navamsa

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> chart make sense. This kind of yuti or veekshana

> > should

> > > > be

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> considered on a hypothetical level (as mutual

> > influence

> > > > at

> > > > > > the

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> amsha level) rather than being within a 30 deg.

> > span. of

> > > > > > Rasi.

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> Take an example. If a planet is exlated or in

own

> > house

> > > > in

> > > > > > the

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> rasi

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> chart and attains debilitation in the Navamsa

> > chart, it

> > > > is

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> condiered

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> as weakening of the actual strength shown in the

> > Rasi.

> > > > Why

> > > > > > is

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> this

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> considered so? It is considered like that

because,

> > even

> > > > > > though

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> the

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> planet is within its own or exlated rasi, still

its

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> positioning

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> within that particular sector (here navamsa) has

> > weakened

> > > > > > it;

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> means,

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> within its own rasi, this particular sector is

the

> > > > weakest

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> point for

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> the planet within the strongest rasi; hence it

> > loses its

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> strength

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> considerably. This means there is a gradation of

> > > > strengths

> > > > > > for

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> the

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> planet from first navamsa to the last navamsa.

The

> > > > navamsa

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> position

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> of a planet, thus indicates its refined

placement

> > within

> > > > > > the

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> rasi.

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> In fact, Sri KN Rao also gives equal weightage

to

> > both

> > > > the

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> Rasi and

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> Navamsa placement of a planet. If a planet is

weak

> > in one

> > > > > > of

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> them

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> that means half the weightage is lost. We may

not

> > give

> > > > the

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> same

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> level of treatment to other vargas as we give to

> > Navamsa;

> > > > > > but

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> Navamsa is as important as the Rasi; to the

extent

> > that

> > > > it

> > > > > > can

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> be

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> viewed as an independent chart (to confirm the

> > promise

> > > > > > given

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> by the

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> rasi chart).

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> Without a confirmation of Navamsa chart, yogas

in

> > the

> > > > rasi

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> chart

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> alone cannot and will not give expected

results; I

> > have

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> observed

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> this phenomenon in several charts.

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> My own experience is; I have Chandra and Sukra

both

> > in

> > > > the

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> 12th

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> house from Karakamsa in the Navamsa chart (not

in

> > the

> > > > rasi

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> chart

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> with the rasi of karakamsa considering as the

> > karakamsa

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> lagna). I am

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> a deep devotee of Goddess Parvathi (represented

by

> > > > Chandra)

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> and

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> Goddess Lakshmi (represented by Sukra). If the

> > karakamsa

> > > > is

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> brought

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> to the Rasi chart, this cannot be explained. The

> > sequence

> > > > > > of

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> my life

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> events are better explained only if I consider

> > karakamsa

> > > > > > lagna

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> in

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> the navamsa chart; I am not discounting

Pradeep's

> > opinion

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> here; I am

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> just saying that both approaches need to be

> > considered on

> > > > > > the

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> chart,

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> and a composite opinion be formed, as Sri KN Rao

> > always

> > > > > > says.

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> On the other hand, considering the specific

rasi in

> > the

> > > > > > Rasi

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> chart

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> that holds karakamsa as the karakamsa lagna, my

> > Sukra is

> > > > in

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> the 4th

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> house indicating my possession of a nice

beautiful

> > house,

> > > > > > and

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> education/skills in arts (in addition to other

> > > > traditional

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> education).

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> I am bringing this to both your knowledge only

to

> > > > summarize

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> that

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> both your theories give results; but not

> > necessarily in

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> isolation of

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> the other.

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> Thanks for all your contribution.

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> Best regards,

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> Satya S Kolachina

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>

> > <%40>

> > > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> Dear Pradeep,

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> I can not comment on views of either Sanjay or

K.

> > N.

> > > > Rao.

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> First

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> there is

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> no difference in the meaning of Amsha and

Amshaka

> > though

> > > > > > it

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> is

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> perhaps

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> being confused. It also needs to be remembered

> > that in

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> astrological

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> translations many a times words are to be

> > understood in

> > > > > > the

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> context that

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> they used. So we find Parashara mentioning

> > karakamsha

> > > > and

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> Swamsha

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> in

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> alternate lines (almost) while indicating the

> > results of

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> occupation of

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> Karakamsha by Sun etc. and many other places in

> > > > karakamsha

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> adhyaaya.

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> This does not mean he is speaking about two

> > different

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> parameters.

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> I

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> think if any Sanskrit scholar who is also well

> > versed in

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> interpretation

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> of astrological texts will confirm this

contention

> > of

> > > > mine

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> if he

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> is

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> watching this discussion.

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> If you want my personal opinion, I think that

the

> > > > results

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> indicated on

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> the basis of Karakamsha without reference to

the

> > > > potential

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> promised by

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> the rasi chart and the strength derived by the

> > grahas in

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> rasi

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> chart,

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> through the Navamsha chart, are not likely to

> > > > > > materialize. I

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> hope

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> this

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> opinion of mine does not create a big storm in

the

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> discussion on

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> the

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> list. But this is my personal opinion, for

> > whatever it

> > > > is

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> worth.

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> Take care,

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> vijayadas_pradeep wrote:

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> Dear Chandrashekhar ji and Respected members

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> Shri Sanjay Rath clearly says ,Amshaka is

> > pointing to

> > > > the

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> Rashi

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> in

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> which a graha is having amsha.He also

> > says,Karakamsha

> > > > has

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> one

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> meaning ,while Karakamsha KA has another

meaning.

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> Chandrashekhar jis view is Amshaka is not

> > pointing to

> > > > the

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> Rashi

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> in

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> which a graha is having amsha.

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> Now Chandraekhar jis view is prudent as there

are

> > some

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> shlokas

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> which

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> shri Rath somehow has overlooked,contradicting

> > his view

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> point.

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> I respect shri Rath ,but i have to tell

> > this.Sometimes

> > > > > > the

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> answer and

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> explanations given by shri Rath are not

preceded

> > by

> > > > > > proper

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > >>>>>>>>> === message truncated ===

> > > > > >>>>>>>>>

> > > > > >>>>>>>>

> > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > >>>>

> > > > > >

> > > > ________

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> > > > > >>>>>>>>> Get your game face on with the latest PS3 news

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> > > > > >>>>>>>>

July 9, 2007

Dear Pradeepji,

All transits would naturally be seen through some

or the other Rashi only in the sky.These

rashis of the sky can be again

interpolated in the Natal Chart

in some or the other sign (Rashi). Since the zodiac

is made of 360degrees divided by 12 compartment,

leaving no space for any other compartment,tge

transit has to be in some or the other Rashi.

But the above is not what youa told me about

and neither our contention.

I have nowhere mentioned that aspects happen in

imaginary positions, but always mantained, that the

intensity would be felt by native in transit through

the pada or quarter of the mentioned,planet.

//Aspects are based on rashi dispositions??

Partly the above statement may be right,

but does not contain the whole story.

Aspects are also based on Raashi dispositors.

(Example- Saturn crossing the exact degrees of

Natal Sun in transit,

is going to produce either death or ill health

to one of the elder male members of the family.

In this case Sun is the dispositor of some Raashi.

Same addects may be experienced in disposition of

above in trine aspects too.)

(I can give you this shloka from Chandrakala Nadi

within 5 minutes but spare me the trouble. Most of

the members who know me, also know that I do not

talk without base)

What is aspect ?

Aspect can also be a conjunction. Is it not ?

A conjunction can also be deemed as a close aspect.

Is it not ?

Anyway,Chandrakala Nadi-

verse 3124, verse 2044,verse 2045 and verse

2385 (I can quote the shlokas here with their

translations) have exclusively given predictive

rules through CHANDRA NAVAMSA RASI)

regards,

Bhaskar.

, " vijayadas_pradeep "

<vijayadas_pradeep wrote:

>

> Dear Bhaskar ji

>

> But the transit that you are talking w.r to navamsha points are

> exact natal positions.Sphuta of a planet.On the other hand when you

> see navamsha arrangement you are studying the link and not

> astronomical placement as Dr.Raman has said.

>

> Aspects are not based on such imaginary patterns.Amsha Rashi link is

> through tattwa sambandha.For aspects rules are clear and they are

> based on Rashi dispositions.

>

> Regds

> Pradeep

>

> -- In , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@>

> wrote:

> >

> > //Now we are talking of 2 approaches.

> > > a) Transits with reference to natal points.

> > > b) transits with reference to nakshatra points.//

> >

> > Re-read above as -

> > b) transit with reference to Navamsha points.

> >

> > , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Finally nothing happens in the rashi chart too.

> > > That is history. The Rashi charts just give the

> > > pointers the degrees of the natal planets,

> > > and the Navamsha points, of these degrees, which again

> > > is converted into degrees for transit purpose and

> > > observations, and all this happens in the

> > > sky above.

> > >

> > > Now we are talking of 2 approaches.

> > > a) Transits with reference to natal points.

> > > b) transits with reference to nakshatra points.

> > >

> > > And aspects also same

> > >

> > > a) In natal Chart.

> > > b) In navamsha Chart ????

> > >

> > > So back to square one.

> > >

> > > regards,

> > > Bhaskar.

> > >

> > > , " vijayadas_pradeep "

> > > <vijayadas_pradeep@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Chandrashekhar ji

> > > >

> > > > Thanks for the info regarding sphuta.As you see i too was

> thinking

> > > > and generally referring to exact conjunction,but navamsha

> sector was

> > > > given by Bhaskar ji.

> > > >

> > > > Thus as you see,it is pointing to exact conjunction of

> transiting

> > > > planet,with navamsha lord of a bhavalord or planet.

> > > >

> > > > Yes ,i can understand,your feelings.But still you may tell

> them that

> > > > these are happening in rashi chakra so that people who are

> wrong

> > > > understandings,will trust.

> > > >

> > > > I somehow feel,some feel that who is talking has all

> importance and

> > > > what is being said has no importance.This is not the case.

> > > >

> > > > Respect

> > > > Pradeep

> > > >

> > > > , Chandrashekhar

> > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Pradeep,

> > > > >

> > > > > Your understanding of the transit over a certain degree is

> right.

> > > > But

> > > > > you have perhaps some confusion about the applicability of

> the nadi

> > > > > principles. it talks about the sphuta of the navamshesha.

> That is

> > > > the

> > > > > exact degree of the lord of navamsha occupied by a bhava

> lord. I

> > > > trust

> > > > > this is clear.

> > > > >

> > > > > I am as much a student of astrology as anybody else and do

> not

> > > > claim to

> > > > > be more knowledgeable than others. I might have corrected a

> wrong

> > > > > interpretation of some principle, on the basis of the

> principle as

> > > > > understood by me earlier but with the type of language

> flying on

> > > > the

> > > > > list and challenges being thrown around, I have no wish to

> do so.

> > > > >

> > > > > Take care,

> > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > >

> > > > > vijayadas_pradeep wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Chandrashekhar ji

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Navamshesha of a bhava lord.Say my lagna lord is Guru.Its

> > > > > > navamshesha is Mercury.Mercury will be in some navamsha.It

> is in

> > > > > > Makara rashi in my case.Within Makara it is in Leo

> navamsha.As far

> > > > > > as i have seen the usage of amsha transits,one has to see

> the

> > > > > > transit from Leo rashi.I have explained this in the

> mother/father

> > > > > > navamsha/dwadashamsha shloka.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Now there is another principle.In that you have to see

> whether a

> > > > > > planet is transiting the exact degrees of its

> placement.transiting

> > > > > > amshas is identical to it.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > In my case if a planet say saturn is transiting makara

> rashi,leo

> > > > > > amsha(as you have quoted) that is a 3.2 degree sector

> within

> > > > makara

> > > > > > rashi,certain results can be predicted.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > It is physical transit exactly over my natal mercury's 3.2

> degree

> > > > > > span.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > How is this physical transit over natal rashi justifying

> bhavas in

> > > > > > navamsha chakra.You are a learned scholar and you have to

> correct

> > > > > > them if some one is making mistakes.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Respect

> > > > > > Pradeep

> > > > > >

> > > > > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar

> > > > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Pradeep,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I do not know whether you have read Chandrakalanadi

> Sanskrit

> > > > > > shlokas,

> > > > > > > but the reference to transit identical with the amshas

> of the

> > > > > > > navamshesha of a bhava lord is clearly given therein. So

> > > > Prafulla

> > > > > > is right.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > For the record, Garga was not considered sage like but

> was a

> > > > sage

> > > > > > well

> > > > > > > respected by even Parashara himself.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > vijayadas_pradeep wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Prafulla ji

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > If you may note,there were couple of cases similar to

> what you

> > > > > > > > talk,where Chandrashsekhar ji feels those as aspects

> in varga

> > > > > > > > chakras.Those cases are clealry explained in

> > > > > > Dashadhayayi.Moreover

> > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar ji had different opinion on kemadruma

> and

> > > > > > > > chandranavmshaka rashi.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Those cases too were explined not onlyin dashadhayayi

> but by

> > > > > > sagelike

> > > > > > > > figures,Garga,Jeevasharma and sruthakeerthi.Those were

> not

> > > > > > english

> > > > > > > > translations as you have given from Devakeralam.But in

> > > > Sanskrit

> > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > clear reeference to rashi.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Thus ,the basic principle is amshas and amshakas roots

> back to

> > > > > > > > rashis.Within a Rashi we have amshas of other

> rashis.For the

> > > > same

> > > > > > > > reason amshas and rashis are lorded by same planet.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > So what you are saying have to read in Rashi

> chart.Transits

> > > > can

> > > > > > only

> > > > > > > > be seen w.r to Rashi chart.How do you find navamsha

> > > > > > rashi.Whether you

> > > > > > > > see it from 3.2 degre sector or from a full navamshaka

> > > > > > rashi,they are

> > > > > > > > both pointing to Rashi chakra.Thus for transits there

> is no

> > > > > > amiguity

> > > > > > > > at all.You can ask any Jyotishi.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Regds

> > > > > > > > Pradeep

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > <%40>, Prafulla Gang

> > > > <jyotish@>

> > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear Pradeep,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > many thanks for your pointer.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Well, kalyan Varma must have hinted at partial

> aspect -

> > > > while

> > > > > > > > referring to D chart aspect. let me search for

> reference in

> > > > > > Saravali

> > > > > > > > and also search for Shri Rohini Ranjan's opinion

> (which

> > > > certainly

> > > > > > > > carries more weight than my layman's opinion ) and

> revert

> > > > back.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I quote another reference:

> > > > > > > > > Satyacharya:

> > > > > > > > > " " As mercury and venus are in kendra (i.e. angular

> rashis)

> > > > in

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > navamsa chakra from each other, the native possess

> Vahanas

> > > > > > > > (conveyances). "

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > There are huge references in Deva Keralam - on use

> of D9

> > > > chart

> > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > transit analysis as well natal analysis - where

> aspects are

> > > > > > referred

> > > > > > > > and navamsa chakras are referred.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > BPHS in current version - may not be conclusive

> astrology

> > > > > > document;

> > > > > > > > as many equally respectable sages - have referred the

> use of D

> > > > > > charts

> > > > > > > > and aspects therein.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > regards / Prafulla Gang

> > > > > > > > > http://www.prafulla.net <http://www.prafulla.net>

> > > > > > <http://www.prafulla.net <http://www.prafulla.net>>

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > " Men who never get carried away should be. "

> > > > > > > > > ************************************************

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > vijayadas_pradeep@

> > > > > > > > > > Fri, 06 Jul 2007 22:04:44 -0000

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > > Re: Why Navamsa Chart is so

> > > > important?

> > > > > > > > Quarter/Half

> > > > > > > > > > aspects

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Dear Prafulla ji

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > The mentioned aspects are clearly for placement in

> > > > > > Rashis.Please

> > > > > > > > > > check Saravali again.Also in another chapter

> Kalyan Varma

> > > > > > clearly

> > > > > > > > > > mentions about every planet having ,quarter

> aspect,half

> > > > > > aspect

> > > > > > > > > > etc,apart from full aspect.Thus it is pretty clear

> that

> > > > > > these are

> > > > > > > > non-

> > > > > > > > > > full aspects in rashi chart.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Shri Ranjan did raise this question before and

> > > > > > Chandrashekhar ji

> > > > > > > > too

> > > > > > > > > > had given similr explanations.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Regds

> > > > > > > > > > Pradeep

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > <%40>, Prafulla Gang

> > > > <jyotish@>

> > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > > > >> Dear Pradeep,

> > > > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > > > >> Another important issue - In D9 charts reference -

> kalyan

> > > > > > Varma

> > > > > > > > has

> > > > > > > > > > given hints for results for Sun aspecting venus;

> or

> > > > mercury

> > > > > > > > aspecting

> > > > > > > > > > venus. Since they can never " aspect " in Rashi

> Kundli - the

> > > > > > obvious

> > > > > > > > > > reference was to Navamsa " chart " .

> > > > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > > > >> I do not think, kalyan varma can be treated at

> par with

> > > > > > current

> > > > > > > > age

> > > > > > > > > > scholars !!

> > > > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > > > >> regards / Prafulla Gang

> > > > > > > > > >> http://www.prafulla.net <http://www.prafulla.net>

> > > > > > <http://www.prafulla.net <http://www.prafulla.net>>

> > > > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > > > >> " Men who never get carried away should be. "

> > > > > > > > > >> ************************************************

> > > > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > > > > >>> jyotish@

> > > > > > > > > >>> Thu, 5 Jul 2007 20:23:15 -0800

> > > > > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > >>> Re: Why Navamsa Chart is

> so

> > > > > > important?

> > > > > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > > > > >>> Dear Sreenadh ji

> > > > > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > > > > >>> Well - who knows the truth? - Should the person

> making

> > > > > > comment,

> > > > > > > > be

> > > > > > > > > >>> construed to be as truth seeker - until they

> prove with

> > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > application

> > > > > > > > > >>> of the principles on the charts ( both ways -

> firstly

> > > > the

> > > > > > wrong

> > > > > > > > > >>> application of others; and secondly how to read

> in

> > > > correct

> > > > > > way).

> > > > > > > > > >>> Theorists without predictive support - has little

> > > > > > relevance in

> > > > > > > > > > jyotish.

> > > > > > > > > >>> But yes - if you can justify your statements by

> case

> > > > > > studies -

> > > > > > > > > > then at

> > > > > > > > > >>> least, I will hear with open mind.

> > > > > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > > > > >>> Understandably, I have been quoted to be " blind "

> to

> > > > > > > > commentaries -

> > > > > > > > > > but my

> > > > > > > > > >>> submission is that - give me one reason to

> accept the

> > > > views

> > > > > > > > > > of " less read

> > > > > > > > > >>> scholars " than to " well read scholars like Late

> > > > > > Santhanam / Shri

> > > > > > > > > > KN Rao /

> > > > > > > > > >>> Shri Sanjay rath / many others " . and More so -

> as I do

> > > > > > > > > > not " pretend " to

> > > > > > > > > >>> know the sanskrit and do not " waste " my time

> on " shloka

> > > > > > > > business "

> > > > > > > > > > with my

> > > > > > > > > >>> " incomplete knowledge " . So I am happy to be

> following

> > > > > > better

> > > > > > > > > > quality

> > > > > > > > > >>> commentaries - who are expalining with the case

> studies.

> > > > > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > > > > >>> Of course - each one makes his choice.

> > > > > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > > > > >>> regards / Prafulla Gang

> > > > > > > > > >>> http://www.prafulla.net

> > > > > > <http://www.prafulla.net <http://www.prafulla.net>>

> > > > > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > > > > >>> " Men who never get carried away should be. "

> > > > > > > > > >>> ************************************************

> > > > > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > > > > >>>>

> > > > > > > > > >>>> sreesog@

> > > > > > > > > >>>> Thu, 05 Jul 2007 07:00:31 -0000

> > > > > > > > > >>>>

> > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > >>>> Re: Why Navamsa Chart is

> so

> > > > > > important?

> > > > > > > > > >>>>

> > > > > > > > > >>>> Dear Prafulla ji,

> > > > > > > > > >>>> * Even if those things are not there in ancient

> texts

> > > > > > every

> > > > > > > > one

> > > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > >>>> free to make or follow there own choice - yes,

> there is

> > > > > > every

> > > > > > > > > > chance

> > > > > > > > > >>>> that even such new methods might give true

> results -

> > > > your

> > > > > > > > > > argument is

> > > > > > > > > >>>> right.

> > > > > > > > > >>>> * As far Sanskrit is concerned: Yes, it is your

> > > > choice -

> > > > > > when

> > > > > > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > > >>>> are blind to read and understand Sanskrit your

> self,

> > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > understand

> > > > > > > > > >>>> what is there and what not, of course you have

> to

> > > > follow

> > > > > > > > someone

> > > > > > > > > > who

> > > > > > > > > >>>> says they see - you are right in that as well.

> > > > > > > > > >>>> Love,

> > > > > > > > > >>>> Sreenadh

> > > > > > > > > >>>>

> > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > <%40>, Prafulla Gang

> > > > <jyotish@>

> > > > > > > > > >>>> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > > > > >>>>> Well Sreenadh ji - at times, these issues

> become

> > > > choice

> > > > > > or

> > > > > > > > > >>>> prejudices in our own form of reading model.

> Had there

> > > > > > not been

> > > > > > > > > > any

> > > > > > > > > >>>> substance in interpreting D9 charts - lot many

> > > > stalwarts

> > > > > > must

> > > > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > >>>> have explored it - and I presume - many of them

> know

> > > > > > better

> > > > > > > > > >>>> sanskrit / jyotish (rather both) than all of us

> on the

> > > > > > forum

> > > > > > > > > >>>> collectively. So if at all - anyone wish to

> contest the

> > > > > > > > > >>>> interpretation - then many of those stalwarts

> are the

> > > > > > people -

> > > > > > > > > > must

> > > > > > > > > >>>> be debated with. On the forum, where not many

> great

> > > > > > sanskrit

> > > > > > > > > >>>> scholars / jyotish researchers - the arguments

> may not

> > > > > > have any

> > > > > > > > > >>>> relevance.

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > > > > >>>>> regards / Prafulla Gang

> > > > > > > > > >>>>> http://www.prafulla.net

> > > > > > <http://www.prafulla.net <http://www.prafulla.net>>

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > > > > >>>>> " The right to be heard does not automatically

> include

> > > > the

> > > > > > > > right

> > > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > >>>> be taken seriously. "

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>

> ************************************************

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>> sreesog@

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>> Tue, 03 Jul 2007 13:56:36 -0000

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>> Re: Why Navamsa Chart

> is so

> > > > > > important?

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>> Dear Prafulla ji,

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>> * No ancient text ask us to read Navamsha (not

> > > > > > chart) " just

> > > > > > > > > > like

> > > > > > > > > >>>> D1

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>> chart " ; nor they provide slokas for the same.

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>> * No ancient text provide as the results

> > > > for " aspects of

> > > > > > > > > > planets

> > > > > > > > > >>>> in

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>> Navamasa "

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>> * Nor they give us the results to be

> predicted when

> > > > > > planets

> > > > > > > > > > are

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>> placed " x house with reference to navamsa

> lagna "

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>> I hope we are trying to study astrology as

> taught by

> > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > sages;

> > > > > > > > > >>>> If

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>> not I don't have anything to say.

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>> Love,

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>> Sreenadh

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > <%40>, Prafulla Gang

> > > > <jyotish@>

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>> Dear Sreenadh ji

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>> I have also observed many jyotish stalwarts

> using

> > > > > > navamsa

> > > > > > > > > > chart

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>> (along with other D charts). Now how to

> assess D9

> > > > > > charts -

> > > > > > > > > > can be

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>> perspective. But - as most authors say - just

> like D1

> > > > > > chart.

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>> I request members to share their experience.

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>> regards / Prafulla Gang

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>> http://www.prafulla.net

> > > > > > <http://www.prafulla.net <http://www.prafulla.net>>

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>> " The right to be heard does not

> automatically

> > > > include

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > right

> > > > > > > > > >>>> to

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>> be taken seriously. "

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>

> ************************************************

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> sreesog@

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> Tue, 03 Jul 2007 07:56:49 -0000

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>

> > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> Re: Why Navamsa

> Chart is so

> > > > > > > > important?

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> Dear Krishna ji,

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> ==>

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> I too to the view that Navamsa

> chart is

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> as important as Rasi chart.

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> <==

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> * There is not Navamsa " chart " , but only

> Navamsa.

> > > > > > Navamsa

> > > > > > > > > > chart

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>> is

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> not as important as Rasi chart and it can

> never be,

> > > > > > because

> > > > > > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > > >>>> is

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> only an amsa. But yes, it is more important

> than

> > > > other

> > > > > > > > amsas

> > > > > > > > > > due

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>> to

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> the prior said reasons.

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> ==>

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> - Why strength of a planet is Navamsa

> determines

> > > > the

> > > > > > > > overall

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> strength of a planet?

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> <==

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> * Because the quality of earth determines

> the

> > > > > > strength of

> > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> plant. This is applicable to all amsas as

> per their

> > > > > > > > > > importance.

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> ==>

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> - Why it is allowed to consider aspects in

> Navamsa

> > > > > > chart

> > > > > > > > > > like

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> aspects in a Rasi chart?

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> <==

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> * No, it is not allowed to consider aspects

> in

> > > > > > Navamsa.

> > > > > > > > > > (There

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>> is

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> no navamsa 'chart'.)

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> ==>

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> - Why sambandha of planets in Navamsa

> chart can be

> > > > > > treated

> > > > > > > > > > as

> > > > > > > > > >>>> if

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> the planets have a sambandha in Rasi chart?

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> <==

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> * No, when planets have sambandha in

> Navamsa, it

> > > > only

> > > > > > > > means

> > > > > > > > > >>>> that.

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> When they have sombandha in Rasi, it only

> means

> > > > that.

> > > > > > It is

> > > > > > > > > >>>> wrong

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>> to

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> mix the two.

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> ==>

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> - Why yogas should be looked at in navamsa

> chart

> > > > as

> > > > > > well?

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> <==

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> * No, Yogas should not be looked in

> > > > Navamsa 'chart'.

> > > > > > But

> > > > > > > > yes

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>> yoga in

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> Navamsa (not navamsa 'chart') can be taken

> yoga.

> > > > > > Because it

> > > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > >>>> the

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> same principles as used in Rasi that are

> used to

> > > > > > predict

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>> result

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> in Amsas as well - But Aspect(Drishti) and

> houses

> > > > are

> > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>> applicable

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> to amsas. Both Aspect(Drishti) and Houses

> should be

> > > > > > > > > > considered

> > > > > > > > > >>>> in

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> Rasi chart itself. Any reference in ancient

> texts

> > > > > > about

> > > > > > > > > > aspect

> > > > > > > > > >>>> or

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> houses essentially mean that they are

> referring to

> > > > > > Rasi

> > > > > > > > > > chart.

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> Love,

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> Sreenadh

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>

> > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > <%40>, Krishnamurthy

> > > > > > > > Seetharama

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> <krishna_1998@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> Dear Kolachina ji,

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> It was interesting to read your comments on

> > > > > > importance of

> > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> Navamsa chart. I too to the view

> that

> > > > > > Navamsa

> > > > > > > > > > chart

> > > > > > > > > >>>> is

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> as important as Rasi chart. This is based

> on my

> > > > > > experience

> > > > > > > > > > so

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> far reading charts. However, I have still

> not

> > > > > > understood

> > > > > > > > > > what

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> are the fundamental reasons for a varga

> chart

> > > > being

> > > > > > so

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> important.

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> - Why strength of a planet is Navamsa

> determines

> > > > the

> > > > > > > > overall

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> strength of a planet?

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> - Why it is allowed to consider aspects in

> Navamsa

> > > > > > chart

> > > > > > > > > > like

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> aspects in a Rasi chart?

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> - Why sambandha of planets in Navamsa

> chart can be

> > > > > > treated

> > > > > > > > > > as

> > > > > > > > > >>>> if

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> the planets have a sambandha in Rasi chart?

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> - Why yogas should be looked at in navamsa

> chart

> > > > as

> > > > > > well?

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> By looking at the kind of importance given

> to

> > > > Navamsa

> > > > > > > > > > chart, it

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> appears that the Rasi chart and Navamsa

> chart make

> > > > > > up two

> > > > > > > > > > equal

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> halves representing the native.

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> I have no doubts about the importance of

> Navamsa

> > > > > > Chart.

> > > > > > > > > > What I

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> would like to know is why Navamsa gains

> such an

> > > > > > > > importance?

> > > > > > > > > >>>> What

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> are the fundamental reasons? After all it

> is one

> > > > of

> > > > > > many

> > > > > > > > > > varga

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> charts!

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> Regards,

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> Krishna

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> --- Satya Sai Kolachina <skolachi@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> Dear Sri Pradeep and Sri Chandrasekhar,

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> I have been following this thread on

> karakamsa

> > > > and

> > > > > > both

> > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> your

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> contributions.

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> I whole-heartedly appreciate both of you

> for your

> > > > > > > > valuable

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> inputs

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> you are providing to the astrological

> community.

> > > > I

> > > > > > would

> > > > > > > > > > like

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> to

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> share my opinion (through my own

> experience).

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> Considering Karakamsa from either Rasi or

> Navamsa

> > > > > > chart

> > > > > > > > > > alone

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> most

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> probably leads to erroneous results, as I

> found

> > > > > > both the

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> approaches

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> working. I see the point Pradeep is

> making as

> > > > very

> > > > > > > > > > valuable;

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> at the

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> same time I am not against using Navamsa

> chart as

> > > > > > > > separate

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> chart (of

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> course without losing the context of the

> Rasi

> > > > > > chart),

> > > > > > > > since

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> any of

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> the varga charts will not give

> independent

> > > > results

> > > > > > if the

> > > > > > > > > > Rasi

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> chart

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> is ignored, as they themselves do not

> exist if

> > > > the

> > > > > > Rasi

> > > > > > > > > > chart

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> doesn't exist. In fact Sri KN Rao also

> mentioned

> > > > in

> > > > > > > > several

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> occassions in many of his articles and

> books that

> > > > > > yogas

> > > > > > > > > > viewed

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> in

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> the Rasi chart should also exist in the

> Navamsa

> > > > > > chart for

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> confirming

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> the results. If we do not see the Navamsa

> chart

> > > > as a

> > > > > > > > > > separate

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> chart,

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> how can we see the yogas therein? For the

> > > > purpose of

> > > > > > > > > > checking

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> some

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> yogas, Yuti and Veekshana (conjunction

> and

> > > > aspects)

> > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> navamsa

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> chart make sense. This kind of yuti or

> veekshana

> > > > > > should

> > > > > > > > be

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> considered on a hypothetical level (as

> mutual

> > > > > > influence

> > > > > > > > at

> > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> amsha level) rather than being within a

> 30 deg.

> > > > > > span. of

> > > > > > > > > > Rasi.

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> Take an example. If a planet is exlated

> or in own

> > > > > > house

> > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> rasi

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> chart and attains debilitation in the

> Navamsa

> > > > > > chart, it

> > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> condiered

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> as weakening of the actual strength shown

> in the

> > > > > > Rasi.

> > > > > > > > Why

> > > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> this

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> considered so? It is considered like that

> > > > because,

> > > > > > even

> > > > > > > > > > though

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> the

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> planet is within its own or exlated rasi,

> still

> > > > its

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> positioning

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> within that particular sector (here

> navamsa) has

> > > > > > weakened

> > > > > > > > > > it;

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> means,

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> within its own rasi, this particular

> sector is

> > > > the

> > > > > > > > weakest

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> point for

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> the planet within the strongest rasi;

> hence it

> > > > > > loses its

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> strength

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> considerably. This means there is a

> gradation of

> > > > > > > > strengths

> > > > > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> the

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> planet from first navamsa to the last

> navamsa.

> > > > The

> > > > > > > > navamsa

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> position

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> of a planet, thus indicates its refined

> placement

> > > > > > within

> > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> rasi.

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> In fact, Sri KN Rao also gives equal

> weightage to

> > > > > > both

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> Rasi and

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> Navamsa placement of a planet. If a

> planet is

> > > > weak

> > > > > > in one

> > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> them

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> that means half the weightage is lost. We

> may not

> > > > > > give

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> same

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> level of treatment to other vargas as we

> give to

> > > > > > Navamsa;

> > > > > > > > > > but

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> Navamsa is as important as the Rasi; to

> the

> > > > extent

> > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > > > can

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> be

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> viewed as an independent chart (to

> confirm the

> > > > > > promise

> > > > > > > > > > given

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> by the

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> rasi chart).

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> Without a confirmation of Navamsa chart,

> yogas in

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > rasi

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> chart

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> alone cannot and will not give expected

> results;

> > > > I

> > > > > > have

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> observed

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> this phenomenon in several charts.

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> My own experience is; I have Chandra and

> Sukra

> > > > both

> > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> 12th

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> house from Karakamsa in the Navamsa chart

> (not in

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > rasi

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> chart

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> with the rasi of karakamsa considering as

> the

> > > > > > karakamsa

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> lagna). I am

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> a deep devotee of Goddess Parvathi

> (represented

> > > > by

> > > > > > > > Chandra)

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> and

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> Goddess Lakshmi (represented by Sukra).

> If the

> > > > > > karakamsa

> > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> brought

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> to the Rasi chart, this cannot be

> explained. The

> > > > > > sequence

> > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> my life

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> events are better explained only if I

> consider

> > > > > > karakamsa

> > > > > > > > > > lagna

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> in

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> the navamsa chart; I am not discounting

> Pradeep's

> > > > > > opinion

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> here; I am

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> just saying that both approaches need to

> be

> > > > > > considered on

> > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> chart,

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> and a composite opinion be formed, as Sri

> KN Rao

> > > > > > always

> > > > > > > > > > says.

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> On the other hand, considering the

> specific rasi

> > > > in

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > Rasi

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> chart

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> that holds karakamsa as the karakamsa

> lagna, my

> > > > > > Sukra is

> > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> the 4th

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> house indicating my possession of a nice

> > > > beautiful

> > > > > > house,

> > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> education/skills in arts (in addition to

> other

> > > > > > > > traditional

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> education).

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> I am bringing this to both your knowledge

> only to

> > > > > > > > summarize

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> that

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> both your theories give results; but not

> > > > > > necessarily in

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> isolation of

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> the other.

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> Thanks for all your contribution.

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> Best regards,

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> Satya S Kolachina

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> Dear Pradeep,

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> I can not comment on views of either

> Sanjay or

> > > > K.

> > > > > > N.

> > > > > > > > Rao.

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> First

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> there is

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> no difference in the meaning of Amsha

> and

> > > > Amshaka

> > > > > > though

> > > > > > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> is

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> perhaps

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> being confused. It also needs to be

> remembered

> > > > > > that in

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> astrological

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> translations many a times words are to be

> > > > > > understood in

> > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> context that

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> they used. So we find Parashara

> mentioning

> > > > > > karakamsha

> > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> Swamsha

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> in

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> alternate lines (almost) while

> indicating the

> > > > > > results of

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> occupation of

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> Karakamsha by Sun etc. and many other

> places in

> > > > > > > > karakamsha

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> adhyaaya.

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> This does not mean he is speaking about

> two

> > > > > > different

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> parameters.

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> I

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> think if any Sanskrit scholar who is

> also well

> > > > > > versed in

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> interpretation

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> of astrological texts will confirm this

> > > > contention

> > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > mine

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> if he

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> is

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> watching this discussion.

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> If you want my personal opinion, I think

> that

> > > > the

> > > > > > > > results

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> indicated on

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> the basis of Karakamsha without

> reference to the

> > > > > > > > potential

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> promised by

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> the rasi chart and the strength derived

> by the

> > > > > > grahas in

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> rasi

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> chart,

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> through the Navamsha chart, are not

> likely to

> > > > > > > > > > materialize. I

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> hope

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> this

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> opinion of mine does not create a big

> storm in

> > > > the

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> discussion on

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> the

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> list. But this is my personal opinion,

> for

> > > > > > whatever it

> > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> worth.

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> Take care,

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> vijayadas_pradeep wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> Dear Chandrashekhar ji and Respected

> members

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> Shri Sanjay Rath clearly says ,Amshaka

> is

> > > > > > pointing to

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> Rashi

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> in

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> which a graha is having amsha.He also

> > > > > > says,Karakamsha

> > > > > > > > has

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> one

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> meaning ,while Karakamsha KA has

> another

> > > > meaning.

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> Chandrashekhar jis view is Amshaka is

> not

> > > > > > pointing to

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> Rashi

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> in

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> which a graha is having amsha.

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> Now Chandraekhar jis view is prudent as

> there

> > > > are

> > > > > > some

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> shlokas

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> which

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> shri Rath somehow has

> overlooked,contradicting

> > > > > > his view

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> point.

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> I respect shri Rath ,but i have to tell

> > > > > > this.Sometimes

> > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> answer and

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> explanations given by shri Rath are not

> > > > preceded

> > > > > > by

> > > > > > > > > > proper

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> === message truncated ===

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>

> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > > > > > >>>>

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

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July 9, 2007

Dear Bhaskar ji

Thanks again for the encouragement given in other mails.

Now regarding this mail -We should understand the context of this

discussion.

1)Can aspects be seen from navamsha arrangement?Does the rules allow

that? No.I cannot see such from the usage of giants who lived 1000's

of years ago.Even BPHS translator had the same view.

2)During analysis ,does amshas have to be seen w.r to root

rashis.Yes,bhavas are always from Rashi.It has been demonstrated in

numerous examples.Lagna shadvargake shloka is the perfect example.

3)Transits -Your mail clearly says -Chandra Navamsha Rashi.Thus

transit can be seen from the RASHI -on to which chandra is having

amsha.This has been the whole topic that i have been discussing.I

told chandrashekhar ji that Parashara has mentioned ''Meshadi

rashige Swamshe''.

Now the question is why should transit over the rashi on to which

Chandra is having navamsha effect in certain results.they have amsha-

Rashi sambandha.If this is understood ,then we will know why

K.N.Raoji takes karakamsha from Lagna.What Lagna shadvargake shloka

means etc etc.

I hope it is clear now.

I am talking about the definition of drishti (which includes 7th

normal plus special aspects).

Pls read my mail to chandrashekhar ji -where i have clearly told -

transit to be seen from Leo Rashi is the common way.

On the other hand what you have demonstrated is another usage of

transit conjunction.

Both of these does not need navamsha arrangement.On the other hand

if you try to see aspects ,it is imaginary.You are trying to start

an aspect from a rashi where the graha is not placed.Graha is

elsewheer ,and relates to that rashi.This sambandha itself is a kind

of ''aspect''.You cannot see drishti from there.

Regds

Pradeep

, " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish

wrote:

>

> Dear Pradeepji,

>

> All transits would naturally be seen through some

> or the other Rashi only in the sky.These

> rashis of the sky can be again

> interpolated in the Natal Chart

> in some or the other sign (Rashi). Since the zodiac

> is made of 360degrees divided by 12 compartment,

> leaving no space for any other compartment,tge

> transit has to be in some or the other Rashi.

> But the above is not what youa told me about

> and neither our contention.

>

> I have nowhere mentioned that aspects happen in

> imaginary positions, but always mantained, that the

> intensity would be felt by native in transit through

> the pada or quarter of the mentioned,planet.

>

> //Aspects are based on rashi dispositions??

> Partly the above statement may be right,

> but does not contain the whole story.

>

> Aspects are also based on Raashi dispositors.

> (Example- Saturn crossing the exact degrees of

> Natal Sun in transit,

> is going to produce either death or ill health

> to one of the elder male members of the family.

> In this case Sun is the dispositor of some Raashi.

> Same addects may be experienced in disposition of

> above in trine aspects too.)

> (I can give you this shloka from Chandrakala Nadi

> within 5 minutes but spare me the trouble. Most of

> the members who know me, also know that I do not

> talk without base)

>

> What is aspect ?

> Aspect can also be a conjunction. Is it not ?

> A conjunction can also be deemed as a close aspect.

> Is it not ?

>

> Anyway,Chandrakala Nadi-

> verse 3124, verse 2044,verse 2045 and verse

> 2385 (I can quote the shlokas here with their

> translations) have exclusively given predictive

> rules through CHANDRA NAVAMSA RASI)

>

> regards,

> Bhaskar.

>

> , " vijayadas_pradeep "

> <vijayadas_pradeep@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Bhaskar ji

> >

> > But the transit that you are talking w.r to navamsha points are

> > exact natal positions.Sphuta of a planet.On the other hand when

you

> > see navamsha arrangement you are studying the link and not

> > astronomical placement as Dr.Raman has said.

> >

> > Aspects are not based on such imaginary patterns.Amsha Rashi

link is

> > through tattwa sambandha.For aspects rules are clear and they

are

> > based on Rashi dispositions.

> >

> > Regds

> > Pradeep

> >

> > -- In , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > //Now we are talking of 2 approaches.

> > > > a) Transits with reference to natal points.

> > > > b) transits with reference to nakshatra points.//

> > >

> > > Re-read above as -

> > > b) transit with reference to Navamsha points.

> > >

> > > , " Bhaskar "

<bhaskar_jyotish@>

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Finally nothing happens in the rashi chart too.

> > > > That is history. The Rashi charts just give the

> > > > pointers the degrees of the natal planets,

> > > > and the Navamsha points, of these degrees, which again

> > > > is converted into degrees for transit purpose and

> > > > observations, and all this happens in the

> > > > sky above.

> > > >

> > > > Now we are talking of 2 approaches.

> > > > a) Transits with reference to natal points.

> > > > b) transits with reference to nakshatra points.

> > > >

> > > > And aspects also same

> > > >

> > > > a) In natal Chart.

> > > > b) In navamsha Chart ????

> > > >

> > > > So back to square one.

> > > >

> > > > regards,

> > > > Bhaskar.

> > > >

> > > > , " vijayadas_pradeep "

> > > > <vijayadas_pradeep@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Chandrashekhar ji

> > > > >

> > > > > Thanks for the info regarding sphuta.As you see i too was

> > thinking

> > > > > and generally referring to exact conjunction,but navamsha

> > sector was

> > > > > given by Bhaskar ji.

> > > > >

> > > > > Thus as you see,it is pointing to exact conjunction of

> > transiting

> > > > > planet,with navamsha lord of a bhavalord or planet.

> > > > >

> > > > > Yes ,i can understand,your feelings.But still you may tell

> > them that

> > > > > these are happening in rashi chakra so that people who are

> > wrong

> > > > > understandings,will trust.

> > > > >

> > > > > I somehow feel,some feel that who is talking has all

> > importance and

> > > > > what is being said has no importance.This is not the case.

> > > > >

> > > > > Respect

> > > > > Pradeep

> > > > >

> > > > > , Chandrashekhar

> > > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Pradeep,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Your understanding of the transit over a certain degree

is

> > right.

> > > > > But

> > > > > > you have perhaps some confusion about the applicability

of

> > the nadi

> > > > > > principles. it talks about the sphuta of the

navamshesha.

> > That is

> > > > > the

> > > > > > exact degree of the lord of navamsha occupied by a bhava

> > lord. I

> > > > > trust

> > > > > > this is clear.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I am as much a student of astrology as anybody else and

do

> > not

> > > > > claim to

> > > > > > be more knowledgeable than others. I might have

corrected a

> > wrong

> > > > > > interpretation of some principle, on the basis of the

> > principle as

> > > > > > understood by me earlier but with the type of language

> > flying on

> > > > > the

> > > > > > list and challenges being thrown around, I have no wish

to

> > do so.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Take care,

> > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > vijayadas_pradeep wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Chandrashekhar ji

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Navamshesha of a bhava lord.Say my lagna lord is

Guru.Its

> > > > > > > navamshesha is Mercury.Mercury will be in some

navamsha.It

> > is in

> > > > > > > Makara rashi in my case.Within Makara it is in Leo

> > navamsha.As far

> > > > > > > as i have seen the usage of amsha transits,one has to

see

> > the

> > > > > > > transit from Leo rashi.I have explained this in the

> > mother/father

> > > > > > > navamsha/dwadashamsha shloka.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Now there is another principle.In that you have to see

> > whether a

> > > > > > > planet is transiting the exact degrees of its

> > placement.transiting

> > > > > > > amshas is identical to it.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > In my case if a planet say saturn is transiting makara

> > rashi,leo

> > > > > > > amsha(as you have quoted) that is a 3.2 degree sector

> > within

> > > > > makara

> > > > > > > rashi,certain results can be predicted.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > It is physical transit exactly over my natal mercury's

3.2

> > degree

> > > > > > > span.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > How is this physical transit over natal rashi

justifying

> > bhavas in

> > > > > > > navamsha chakra.You are a learned scholar and you have

to

> > correct

> > > > > > > them if some one is making mistakes.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Respect

> > > > > > > Pradeep

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar

> > > > > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Pradeep,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I do not know whether you have read Chandrakalanadi

> > Sanskrit

> > > > > > > shlokas,

> > > > > > > > but the reference to transit identical with the

amshas

> > of the

> > > > > > > > navamshesha of a bhava lord is clearly given

therein. So

> > > > > Prafulla

> > > > > > > is right.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > For the record, Garga was not considered sage like

but

> > was a

> > > > > sage

> > > > > > > well

> > > > > > > > respected by even Parashara himself.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > vijayadas_pradeep wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear Prafulla ji

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > If you may note,there were couple of cases similar

to

> > what you

> > > > > > > > > talk,where Chandrashsekhar ji feels those as

aspects

> > in varga

> > > > > > > > > chakras.Those cases are clealry explained in

> > > > > > > Dashadhayayi.Moreover

> > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar ji had different opinion on

kemadruma

> > and

> > > > > > > > > chandranavmshaka rashi.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Those cases too were explined not onlyin

dashadhayayi

> > but by

> > > > > > > sagelike

> > > > > > > > > figures,Garga,Jeevasharma and sruthakeerthi.Those

were

> > not

> > > > > > > english

> > > > > > > > > translations as you have given from

Devakeralam.But in

> > > > > Sanskrit

> > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > clear reeference to rashi.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Thus ,the basic principle is amshas and amshakas

roots

> > back to

> > > > > > > > > rashis.Within a Rashi we have amshas of other

> > rashis.For the

> > > > > same

> > > > > > > > > reason amshas and rashis are lorded by same planet.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > So what you are saying have to read in Rashi

> > chart.Transits

> > > > > can

> > > > > > > only

> > > > > > > > > be seen w.r to Rashi chart.How do you find navamsha

> > > > > > > rashi.Whether you

> > > > > > > > > see it from 3.2 degre sector or from a full

navamshaka

> > > > > > > rashi,they are

> > > > > > > > > both pointing to Rashi chakra.Thus for transits

there

> > is no

> > > > > > > amiguity

> > > > > > > > > at all.You can ask any Jyotishi.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Regds

> > > > > > > > > Pradeep

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > <%40>, Prafulla

Gang

> > > > > <jyotish@>

> > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Dear Pradeep,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > many thanks for your pointer.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Well, kalyan Varma must have hinted at partial

> > aspect -

> > > > > while

> > > > > > > > > referring to D chart aspect. let me search for

> > reference in

> > > > > > > Saravali

> > > > > > > > > and also search for Shri Rohini Ranjan's opinion

> > (which

> > > > > certainly

> > > > > > > > > carries more weight than my layman's opinion ) and

> > revert

> > > > > back.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > I quote another reference:

> > > > > > > > > > Satyacharya:

> > > > > > > > > > " " As mercury and venus are in kendra (i.e.

angular

> > rashis)

> > > > > in

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > navamsa chakra from each other, the native possess

> > Vahanas

> > > > > > > > > (conveyances). "

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > There are huge references in Deva Keralam - on

use

> > of D9

> > > > > chart

> > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > transit analysis as well natal analysis - where

> > aspects are

> > > > > > > referred

> > > > > > > > > and navamsa chakras are referred.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > BPHS in current version - may not be conclusive

> > astrology

> > > > > > > document;

> > > > > > > > > as many equally respectable sages - have referred

the

> > use of D

> > > > > > > charts

> > > > > > > > > and aspects therein.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > regards / Prafulla Gang

> > > > > > > > > > http://www.prafulla.net

> > > > > > > <http://www.prafulla.net <http://www.prafulla.net>>

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > " Men who never get carried away should be. "

> > > > > > > > > > ************************************************

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > vijayadas_pradeep@

> > > > > > > > > > > Fri, 06 Jul 2007 22:04:44 -0000

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > > > Re: Why Navamsa Chart

is so

> > > > > important?

> > > > > > > > > Quarter/Half

> > > > > > > > > > > aspects

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Dear Prafulla ji

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > The mentioned aspects are clearly for

placement in

> > > > > > > Rashis.Please

> > > > > > > > > > > check Saravali again.Also in another chapter

> > Kalyan Varma

> > > > > > > clearly

> > > > > > > > > > > mentions about every planet having ,quarter

> > aspect,half

> > > > > > > aspect

> > > > > > > > > > > etc,apart from full aspect.Thus it is pretty

clear

> > that

> > > > > > > these are

> > > > > > > > > non-

> > > > > > > > > > > full aspects in rashi chart.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Shri Ranjan did raise this question before and

> > > > > > > Chandrashekhar ji

> > > > > > > > > too

> > > > > > > > > > > had given similr explanations.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Regds

> > > > > > > > > > > Pradeep

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > <%40>, Prafulla

Gang

> > > > > <jyotish@>

> > > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > > > > >> Dear Pradeep,

> > > > > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > > > > >> Another important issue - In D9 charts

reference -

> > kalyan

> > > > > > > Varma

> > > > > > > > > has

> > > > > > > > > > > given hints for results for Sun aspecting

venus;

> > or

> > > > > mercury

> > > > > > > > > aspecting

> > > > > > > > > > > venus. Since they can never " aspect " in Rashi

> > Kundli - the

> > > > > > > obvious

> > > > > > > > > > > reference was to Navamsa " chart " .

> > > > > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > > > > >> I do not think, kalyan varma can be treated

at

> > par with

> > > > > > > current

> > > > > > > > > age

> > > > > > > > > > > scholars !!

> > > > > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > > > > >> regards / Prafulla Gang

> > > > > > > > > > >> http://www.prafulla.net

> > > > > > > <http://www.prafulla.net <http://www.prafulla.net>>

> > > > > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > > > > >> " Men who never get carried away should be. "

> > > > > > > > > > >>

************************************************

> > > > > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > > > > > >>> jyotish@

> > > > > > > > > > >>> Thu, 5 Jul 2007 20:23:15 -0800

> > > > > > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > > >>> Re: Why Navamsa Chart

is

> > so

> > > > > > > important?

> > > > > > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > > > > > >>> Dear Sreenadh ji

> > > > > > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > > > > > >>> Well - who knows the truth? - Should the

person

> > making

> > > > > > > comment,

> > > > > > > > > be

> > > > > > > > > > >>> construed to be as truth seeker - until they

> > prove with

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > application

> > > > > > > > > > >>> of the principles on the charts ( both ways -

> > firstly

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > wrong

> > > > > > > > > > >>> application of others; and secondly how to

read

> > in

> > > > > correct

> > > > > > > way).

> > > > > > > > > > >>> Theorists without predictive support - has

little

> > > > > > > relevance in

> > > > > > > > > > > jyotish.

> > > > > > > > > > >>> But yes - if you can justify your statements

by

> > case

> > > > > > > studies -

> > > > > > > > > > > then at

> > > > > > > > > > >>> least, I will hear with open mind.

> > > > > > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > > > > > >>> Understandably, I have been quoted to

be " blind "

> > to

> > > > > > > > > commentaries -

> > > > > > > > > > > but my

> > > > > > > > > > >>> submission is that - give me one reason to

> > accept the

> > > > > views

> > > > > > > > > > > of " less read

> > > > > > > > > > >>> scholars " than to " well read scholars like

Late

> > > > > > > Santhanam / Shri

> > > > > > > > > > > KN Rao /

> > > > > > > > > > >>> Shri Sanjay rath / many others " . and More

so -

> > as I do

> > > > > > > > > > > not " pretend " to

> > > > > > > > > > >>> know the sanskrit and do not " waste " my time

> > on " shloka

> > > > > > > > > business "

> > > > > > > > > > > with my

> > > > > > > > > > >>> " incomplete knowledge " . So I am happy to be

> > following

> > > > > > > better

> > > > > > > > > > > quality

> > > > > > > > > > >>> commentaries - who are expalining with the

case

> > studies.

> > > > > > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > > > > > >>> Of course - each one makes his choice.

> > > > > > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > > > > > >>> regards / Prafulla Gang

> > > > > > > > > > >>> http://www.prafulla.net

> > <http://www.prafulla.net>

> > > > > > > <http://www.prafulla.net <http://www.prafulla.net>>

> > > > > > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > > > > > >>> " Men who never get carried away should be. "

> > > > > > > > > > >>>

************************************************

> > > > > > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>

> > > > > > > > > > >>>> sreesog@

> > > > > > > > > > >>>> Thu, 05 Jul 2007 07:00:31 -0000

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>

> > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > > >>>> Re: Why Navamsa

Chart is

> > so

> > > > > > > important?

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>

> > > > > > > > > > >>>> Dear Prafulla ji,

> > > > > > > > > > >>>> * Even if those things are not there in

ancient

> > texts

> > > > > > > every

> > > > > > > > > one

> > > > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > >>>> free to make or follow there own choice -

yes,

> > there is

> > > > > > > every

> > > > > > > > > > > chance

> > > > > > > > > > >>>> that even such new methods might give true

> > results -

> > > > > your

> > > > > > > > > > > argument is

> > > > > > > > > > >>>> right.

> > > > > > > > > > >>>> * As far Sanskrit is concerned: Yes, it is

your

> > > > > choice -

> > > > > > > when

> > > > > > > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > > > >>>> are blind to read and understand Sanskrit

your

> > self,

> > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > understand

> > > > > > > > > > >>>> what is there and what not, of course you

have

> > to

> > > > > follow

> > > > > > > > > someone

> > > > > > > > > > > who

> > > > > > > > > > >>>> says they see - you are right in that as

well.

> > > > > > > > > > >>>> Love,

> > > > > > > > > > >>>> Sreenadh

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>

> > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > <%40>, Prafulla

Gang

> > > > > <jyotish@>

> > > > > > > > > > >>>> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>> Well Sreenadh ji - at times, these issues

> > become

> > > > > choice

> > > > > > > or

> > > > > > > > > > >>>> prejudices in our own form of reading

model.

> > Had there

> > > > > > > not been

> > > > > > > > > > > any

> > > > > > > > > > >>>> substance in interpreting D9 charts - lot

many

> > > > > stalwarts

> > > > > > > must

> > > > > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > > >>>> have explored it - and I presume - many of

them

> > know

> > > > > > > better

> > > > > > > > > > >>>> sanskrit / jyotish (rather both) than all

of us

> > on the

> > > > > > > forum

> > > > > > > > > > >>>> collectively. So if at all - anyone wish to

> > contest the

> > > > > > > > > > >>>> interpretation - then many of those

stalwarts

> > are the

> > > > > > > people -

> > > > > > > > > > > must

> > > > > > > > > > >>>> be debated with. On the forum, where not

many

> > great

> > > > > > > sanskrit

> > > > > > > > > > >>>> scholars / jyotish researchers - the

arguments

> > may not

> > > > > > > have any

> > > > > > > > > > >>>> relevance.

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>> regards / Prafulla Gang

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>> http://www.prafulla.net

> > <http://www.prafulla.net>

> > > > > > > <http://www.prafulla.net <http://www.prafulla.net>>

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>> " The right to be heard does not

automatically

> > include

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > right

> > > > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > >>>> be taken seriously. "

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>

> > ************************************************

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> sreesog@

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> Tue, 03 Jul 2007 13:56:36 -0000

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> Re: Why Navamsa

Chart

> > is so

> > > > > > > important?

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> Dear Prafulla ji,

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> * No ancient text ask us to read Navamsha

(not

> > > > > > > chart) " just

> > > > > > > > > > > like

> > > > > > > > > > >>>> D1

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> chart " ; nor they provide slokas for the

same.

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> * No ancient text provide as the results

> > > > > for " aspects of

> > > > > > > > > > > planets

> > > > > > > > > > >>>> in

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> Navamasa "

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> * Nor they give us the results to be

> > predicted when

> > > > > > > planets

> > > > > > > > > > > are

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> placed " x house with reference to navamsa

> > lagna "

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> I hope we are trying to study astrology

as

> > taught by

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > sages;

> > > > > > > > > > >>>> If

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> not I don't have anything to say.

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> Love,

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> Sreenadh

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > <%40>, Prafulla

Gang

> > > > > <jyotish@>

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>> Dear Sreenadh ji

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>> I have also observed many jyotish

stalwarts

> > using

> > > > > > > navamsa

> > > > > > > > > > > chart

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> (along with other D charts). Now how to

> > assess D9

> > > > > > > charts -

> > > > > > > > > > > can be

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> perspective. But - as most authors say -

just

> > like D1

> > > > > > > chart.

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>> I request members to share their

experience.

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>> regards / Prafulla Gang

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>> http://www.prafulla.net

> > <http://www.prafulla.net>

> > > > > > > <http://www.prafulla.net <http://www.prafulla.net>>

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>> " The right to be heard does not

> > automatically

> > > > > include

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > right

> > > > > > > > > > >>>> to

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> be taken seriously. "

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>

> > ************************************************

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> sreesog@

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> Tue, 03 Jul 2007 07:56:49 -0000

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>

> > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> Re: Why Navamsa

> > Chart is so

> > > > > > > > > important?

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> Dear Krishna ji,

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> ==>

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> I too to the view that

Navamsa

> > chart is

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> as important as Rasi chart.

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> <==

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> * There is not Navamsa " chart " , but

only

> > Navamsa.

> > > > > > > Navamsa

> > > > > > > > > > > chart

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> is

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> not as important as Rasi chart and it

can

> > never be,

> > > > > > > because

> > > > > > > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > > > >>>> is

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> only an amsa. But yes, it is more

important

> > than

> > > > > other

> > > > > > > > > amsas

> > > > > > > > > > > due

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> to

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> the prior said reasons.

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> ==>

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> - Why strength of a planet is Navamsa

> > determines

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > overall

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> strength of a planet?

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> <==

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> * Because the quality of earth

determines

> > the

> > > > > > > strength of

> > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> plant. This is applicable to all amsas

as

> > per their

> > > > > > > > > > > importance.

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> ==>

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> - Why it is allowed to consider

aspects in

> > Navamsa

> > > > > > > chart

> > > > > > > > > > > like

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> aspects in a Rasi chart?

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> <==

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> * No, it is not allowed to consider

aspects

> > in

> > > > > > > Navamsa.

> > > > > > > > > > > (There

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> is

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> no navamsa 'chart'.)

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> ==>

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> - Why sambandha of planets in Navamsa

> > chart can be

> > > > > > > treated

> > > > > > > > > > > as

> > > > > > > > > > >>>> if

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> the planets have a sambandha in Rasi

chart?

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> <==

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> * No, when planets have sambandha in

> > Navamsa, it

> > > > > only

> > > > > > > > > means

> > > > > > > > > > >>>> that.

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> When they have sombandha in Rasi, it

only

> > means

> > > > > that.

> > > > > > > It is

> > > > > > > > > > >>>> wrong

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> to

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> mix the two.

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> ==>

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> - Why yogas should be looked at in

navamsa

> > chart

> > > > > as

> > > > > > > well?

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> <==

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> * No, Yogas should not be looked in

> > > > > Navamsa 'chart'.

> > > > > > > But

> > > > > > > > > yes

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> yoga in

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> Navamsa (not navamsa 'chart') can be

taken

> > yoga.

> > > > > > > Because it

> > > > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > >>>> the

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> same principles as used in Rasi that

are

> > used to

> > > > > > > predict

> > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> result

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> in Amsas as well - But Aspect(Drishti)

and

> > houses

> > > > > are

> > > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> applicable

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> to amsas. Both Aspect(Drishti) and

Houses

> > should be

> > > > > > > > > > > considered

> > > > > > > > > > >>>> in

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> Rasi chart itself. Any reference in

ancient

> > texts

> > > > > > > about

> > > > > > > > > > > aspect

> > > > > > > > > > >>>> or

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> houses essentially mean that they are

> > referring to

> > > > > > > Rasi

> > > > > > > > > > > chart.

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> Love,

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> Sreenadh

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>

> > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > <%40>,

Krishnamurthy

> > > > > > > > > Seetharama

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> <krishna_1998@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> Dear Kolachina ji,

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> It was interesting to read your

comments on

> > > > > > > importance of

> > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> Navamsa chart. I too to the

view

> > that

> > > > > > > Navamsa

> > > > > > > > > > > chart

> > > > > > > > > > >>>> is

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> as important as Rasi chart. This is

based

> > on my

> > > > > > > experience

> > > > > > > > > > > so

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> far reading charts. However, I have

still

> > not

> > > > > > > understood

> > > > > > > > > > > what

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> are the fundamental reasons for a

varga

> > chart

> > > > > being

> > > > > > > so

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> important.

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> - Why strength of a planet is Navamsa

> > determines

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > overall

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> strength of a planet?

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> - Why it is allowed to consider

aspects in

> > Navamsa

> > > > > > > chart

> > > > > > > > > > > like

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> aspects in a Rasi chart?

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> - Why sambandha of planets in Navamsa

> > chart can be

> > > > > > > treated

> > > > > > > > > > > as

> > > > > > > > > > >>>> if

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> the planets have a sambandha in Rasi

chart?

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> - Why yogas should be looked at in

navamsa

> > chart

> > > > > as

> > > > > > > well?

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> By looking at the kind of importance

given

> > to

> > > > > Navamsa

> > > > > > > > > > > chart, it

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> appears that the Rasi chart and

Navamsa

> > chart make

> > > > > > > up two

> > > > > > > > > > > equal

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> halves representing the native.

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> I have no doubts about the importance

of

> > Navamsa

> > > > > > > Chart.

> > > > > > > > > > > What I

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> would like to know is why Navamsa

gains

> > such an

> > > > > > > > > importance?

> > > > > > > > > > >>>> What

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> are the fundamental reasons? After all

it

> > is one

> > > > > of

> > > > > > > many

> > > > > > > > > > > varga

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> charts!

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> Krishna

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> --- Satya Sai Kolachina <skolachi@>

wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> Dear Sri Pradeep and Sri

Chandrasekhar,

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> I have been following this thread on

> > karakamsa

> > > > > and

> > > > > > > both

> > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> your

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> contributions.

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> I whole-heartedly appreciate both of

you

> > for your

> > > > > > > > > valuable

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> inputs

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> you are providing to the astrological

> > community.

> > > > > I

> > > > > > > would

> > > > > > > > > > > like

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> to

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> share my opinion (through my own

> > experience).

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> Considering Karakamsa from either

Rasi or

> > Navamsa

> > > > > > > chart

> > > > > > > > > > > alone

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> most

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> probably leads to erroneous results,

as I

> > found

> > > > > > > both the

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> approaches

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> working. I see the point Pradeep is

> > making as

> > > > > very

> > > > > > > > > > > valuable;

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> at the

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> same time I am not against using

Navamsa

> > chart as

> > > > > > > > > separate

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> chart (of

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> course without losing the context of

the

> > Rasi

> > > > > > > chart),

> > > > > > > > > since

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> any of

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> the varga charts will not give

> > independent

> > > > > results

> > > > > > > if the

> > > > > > > > > > > Rasi

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> chart

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> is ignored, as they themselves do not

> > exist if

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > Rasi

> > > > > > > > > > > chart

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> doesn't exist. In fact Sri KN Rao

also

> > mentioned

> > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > several

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> occassions in many of his articles

and

> > books that

> > > > > > > yogas

> > > > > > > > > > > viewed

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> in

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> the Rasi chart should also exist in

the

> > Navamsa

> > > > > > > chart for

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> confirming

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> the results. If we do not see the

Navamsa

> > chart

> > > > > as a

> > > > > > > > > > > separate

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> chart,

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> how can we see the yogas therein? For

the

> > > > > purpose of

> > > > > > > > > > > checking

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> some

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> yogas, Yuti and Veekshana

(conjunction

> > and

> > > > > aspects)

> > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> navamsa

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> chart make sense. This kind of yuti

or

> > veekshana

> > > > > > > should

> > > > > > > > > be

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> considered on a hypothetical level

(as

> > mutual

> > > > > > > influence

> > > > > > > > > at

> > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> amsha level) rather than being within

a

> > 30 deg.

> > > > > > > span. of

> > > > > > > > > > > Rasi.

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> Take an example. If a planet is

exlated

> > or in own

> > > > > > > house

> > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> rasi

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> chart and attains debilitation in the

> > Navamsa

> > > > > > > chart, it

> > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> condiered

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> as weakening of the actual strength

shown

> > in the

> > > > > > > Rasi.

> > > > > > > > > Why

> > > > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> this

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> considered so? It is considered like

that

> > > > > because,

> > > > > > > even

> > > > > > > > > > > though

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> the

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> planet is within its own or exlated

rasi,

> > still

> > > > > its

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> positioning

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> within that particular sector (here

> > navamsa) has

> > > > > > > weakened

> > > > > > > > > > > it;

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> means,

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> within its own rasi, this particular

> > sector is

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > weakest

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> point for

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> the planet within the strongest rasi;

> > hence it

> > > > > > > loses its

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> strength

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> considerably. This means there is a

> > gradation of

> > > > > > > > > strengths

> > > > > > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> the

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> planet from first navamsa to the last

> > navamsa.

> > > > > The

> > > > > > > > > navamsa

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> position

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> of a planet, thus indicates its

refined

> > placement

> > > > > > > within

> > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> rasi.

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> In fact, Sri KN Rao also gives equal

> > weightage to

> > > > > > > both

> > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> Rasi and

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> Navamsa placement of a planet. If a

> > planet is

> > > > > weak

> > > > > > > in one

> > > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> them

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> that means half the weightage is

lost. We

> > may not

> > > > > > > give

> > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> same

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> level of treatment to other vargas as

we

> > give to

> > > > > > > Navamsa;

> > > > > > > > > > > but

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> Navamsa is as important as the Rasi;

to

> > the

> > > > > extent

> > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > > > > can

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> be

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> viewed as an independent chart (to

> > confirm the

> > > > > > > promise

> > > > > > > > > > > given

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> by the

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> rasi chart).

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> Without a confirmation of Navamsa

chart,

> > yogas in

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > rasi

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> chart

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> alone cannot and will not give

expected

> > results;

> > > > > I

> > > > > > > have

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> observed

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> this phenomenon in several charts.

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> My own experience is; I have Chandra

and

> > Sukra

> > > > > both

> > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> 12th

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> house from Karakamsa in the Navamsa

chart

> > (not in

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > rasi

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> chart

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> with the rasi of karakamsa

considering as

> > the

> > > > > > > karakamsa

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> lagna). I am

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> a deep devotee of Goddess Parvathi

> > (represented

> > > > > by

> > > > > > > > > Chandra)

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> and

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> Goddess Lakshmi (represented by

Sukra).

> > If the

> > > > > > > karakamsa

> > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> brought

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> to the Rasi chart, this cannot be

> > explained. The

> > > > > > > sequence

> > > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> my life

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> events are better explained only if I

> > consider

> > > > > > > karakamsa

> > > > > > > > > > > lagna

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> in

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> the navamsa chart; I am not

discounting

> > Pradeep's

> > > > > > > opinion

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> here; I am

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> just saying that both approaches need

to

> > be

> > > > > > > considered on

> > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> chart,

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> and a composite opinion be formed, as

Sri

> > KN Rao

> > > > > > > always

> > > > > > > > > > > says.

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> On the other hand, considering the

> > specific rasi

> > > > > in

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > Rasi

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> chart

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> that holds karakamsa as the karakamsa

> > lagna, my

> > > > > > > Sukra is

> > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> the 4th

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> house indicating my possession of a

nice

> > > > > beautiful

> > > > > > > house,

> > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> education/skills in arts (in addition

to

> > other

> > > > > > > > > traditional

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> education).

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> I am bringing this to both your

knowledge

> > only to

> > > > > > > > > summarize

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> that

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> both your theories give results; but

not

> > > > > > > necessarily in

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> isolation of

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> the other.

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> Thanks for all your contribution.

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> Best regards,

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> Satya S Kolachina

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > <%40>,

Chandrashekhar

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> Dear Pradeep,

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> I can not comment on views of either

> > Sanjay or

> > > > > K.

> > > > > > > N.

> > > > > > > > > Rao.

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> First

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> there is

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> no difference in the meaning of

Amsha

> > and

> > > > > Amshaka

> > > > > > > though

> > > > > > > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> is

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> perhaps

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> being confused. It also needs to be

> > remembered

> > > > > > > that in

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> astrological

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> translations many a times words are

to be

> > > > > > > understood in

> > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> context that

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> they used. So we find Parashara

> > mentioning

> > > > > > > karakamsha

> > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> Swamsha

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> in

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> alternate lines (almost) while

> > indicating the

> > > > > > > results of

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> occupation of

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> Karakamsha by Sun etc. and many

other

> > places in

> > > > > > > > > karakamsha

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> adhyaaya.

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> This does not mean he is speaking

about

> > two

> > > > > > > different

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> parameters.

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> I

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> think if any Sanskrit scholar who is

> > also well

> > > > > > > versed in

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> interpretation

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> of astrological texts will confirm

this

> > > > > contention

> > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > mine

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> if he

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> is

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> watching this discussion.

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> If you want my personal opinion, I

think

> > that

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > results

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> indicated on

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> the basis of Karakamsha without

> > reference to the

> > > > > > > > > potential

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> promised by

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> the rasi chart and the strength

derived

> > by the

> > > > > > > grahas in

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> rasi

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> chart,

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> through the Navamsha chart, are not

> > likely to

> > > > > > > > > > > materialize. I

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> hope

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> this

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> opinion of mine does not create a

big

> > storm in

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> discussion on

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> the

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> list. But this is my personal

opinion,

> > for

> > > > > > > whatever it

> > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> worth.

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> Take care,

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> vijayadas_pradeep wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> Dear Chandrashekhar ji and

Respected

> > members

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> Shri Sanjay Rath clearly

says ,Amshaka

> > is

> > > > > > > pointing to

> > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> Rashi

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> in

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> which a graha is having amsha.He

also

> > > > > > > says,Karakamsha

> > > > > > > > > has

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> one

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> meaning ,while Karakamsha KA has

> > another

> > > > > meaning.

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> Chandrashekhar jis view is Amshaka

is

> > not

> > > > > > > pointing to

> > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> Rashi

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> in

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> which a graha is having amsha.

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> Now Chandraekhar jis view is

prudent as

> > there

> > > > > are

> > > > > > > some

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> shlokas

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> which

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> shri Rath somehow has

> > overlooked,contradicting

> > > > > > > his view

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> point.

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> I respect shri Rath ,but i have to

tell

> > > > > > > this.Sometimes

> > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> answer and

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> explanations given by shri Rath are

not

> > > > > preceded

> > > > > > > by

> > > > > > > > > > > proper

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> === message truncated ===

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > > > > > > >>>>

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

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July 9, 2007

Dear Shri Pradeepji,.

I appreciate your knowledge.I have understood your

point very well, You may not be wrong,but neither am

I wrong.

1) Aspects can be seen from Navamsha arrangement, in the

sense that the Lord of the navamsha, in whichever sign

it is placed at time of birth, when the other planet

transits through it, or becomes trine to it ,causes

effect to the,culmination , of the effects mentioned

in the shloka, we are taking in consideration (Any).

There is a catch here, which you may understand, I will

not mention that. But the trine is what ? It is a

form of aspect only. Hence the establishment of the fact

that aspects can be seen from the Navamsha. Now

O am not mentioning the Trine aspect (Shloka in Chandrakala

Nadi is mentioning the same).

2)amsas may be seen wrt Root rashi, but how does

one reach that root rashi, is it not wrt the amsa ?

3)Transits- Okay we will consider that what you are saying

is right,but how did one reach the RASHI onto which Chandra

is having amsha ? Is it not through the calculation of the

amsa ? So how can we say that the amsa chart is not to be

taken in consideration, when all are values are coming

from the same ? Whether one makes a chart or notes

down the amsa and relates Rashis, what does it matter ?

Ultimately help has been taken from the amsa to reach the

Rashi in question , to be judged for transit . By the

way, after 30 years of age, if one wishes to see the effects

of transit, we need not go to the Rashi chart to see

the Rashis. One just needs calculated inputs. So

we can say that the chart is not needed. I am looking

for the transits in the sky through the panchang. But

ultimately the help has been taken initially in preparing

the calculated data, from the Rasi chart only. So it cannot

be discounted. In the same way Navamsha chart cannot be

discounted.

Now you have yourself said that the amsa raashi sambandha

is there, so the whole issue and argument stands over.

Because this is the fact that amsa raashi sambandha has to

be there, they cannot be demarcated from each other.

But I am not negating or arguing on that point at all.

That is what is been trying to be established

that. Rashi amda sambandha has to be there and vice-versa,

The amsa cannot come without the Rashi

and the transit cannot be checked in the Rashi, without

the knowledge of the amsa Lord. So does not

that make the amsa important ? Or the navamsha chart

important, which shows the amsa Lords, or the other

Vargas and their charts ?

KN Rao Sahab is a great personality. I am no one to

comment, accentuate, or negate or supplicate about his

way of working in any manner, we are dwarfs in front of

his towering Persona. I have high regards for him,

but everyone has his own style of swimming, the

point is to succesfully reach the other end, the

way or style is not that important.

The graha is else where and relates to the rashi, but

the Sambandha can be formed through many ways, including

aspect by Trine, which again I am not mentioning, I have

given earlier two sperate sources one ancient, and one

modern Navamsha expert who have written this.

For you the glass is half empty,

for me the glass is half full.

I just know that the help of amsas is taken, even if you

relate the sambandha and the aspect, to the Rashi,

but would not reach to the Rashi without the amsa, which

makes the amsas mandatorily, an

importnat part of astrology,, whether they are shown in

graphical presentation, or noted down on a sheet of

paper, all this does not matter.

regards,

Bhaskar.

, " vijayadas_pradeep "

<vijayadas_pradeep wrote:

>

> Dear Bhaskar ji

>

> Thanks again for the encouragement given in other mails.

>

> Now regarding this mail -We should understand the context of this

> discussion.

>

> 1)Can aspects be seen from navamsha arrangement?Does the rules allow

> that? No.I cannot see such from the usage of giants who lived 1000's

> of years ago.Even BPHS translator had the same view.

>

> 2)During analysis ,does amshas have to be seen w.r to root

> rashis.Yes,bhavas are always from Rashi.It has been demonstrated in

> numerous examples.Lagna shadvargake shloka is the perfect example.

>

> 3)Transits -Your mail clearly says -Chandra Navamsha Rashi.Thus

> transit can be seen from the RASHI -on to which chandra is having

> amsha.This has been the whole topic that i have been discussing.I

> told chandrashekhar ji that Parashara has mentioned ''Meshadi

> rashige Swamshe''.

>

> Now the question is why should transit over the rashi on to which

> Chandra is having navamsha effect in certain results.they have amsha-

> Rashi sambandha.If this is understood ,then we will know why

> K.N.Raoji takes karakamsha from Lagna.What Lagna shadvargake shloka

> means etc etc.

>

> I hope it is clear now.

>

> I am talking about the definition of drishti (which includes 7th

> normal plus special aspects).

>

> Pls read my mail to chandrashekhar ji -where i have clearly told -

> transit to be seen from Leo Rashi is the common way.

> On the other hand what you have demonstrated is another usage of

> transit conjunction.

>

> Both of these does not need navamsha arrangement.On the other hand

> if you try to see aspects ,it is imaginary.You are trying to start

> an aspect from a rashi where the graha is not placed.Graha is

> elsewheer ,and relates to that rashi.This sambandha itself is a kind

> of ''aspect''.You cannot see drishti from there.

>

> Regds

> Pradeep

>

> , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Pradeepji,

> >

> > All transits would naturally be seen through some

> > or the other Rashi only in the sky.These

> > rashis of the sky can be again

> > interpolated in the Natal Chart

> > in some or the other sign (Rashi). Since the zodiac

> > is made of 360degrees divided by 12 compartment,

> > leaving no space for any other compartment,tge

> > transit has to be in some or the other Rashi.

> > But the above is not what youa told me about

> > and neither our contention.

> >

> > I have nowhere mentioned that aspects happen in

> > imaginary positions, but always mantained, that the

> > intensity would be felt by native in transit through

> > the pada or quarter of the mentioned,planet.

> >

> > //Aspects are based on rashi dispositions??

> > Partly the above statement may be right,

> > but does not contain the whole story.

> >

> > Aspects are also based on Raashi dispositors.

> > (Example- Saturn crossing the exact degrees of

> > Natal Sun in transit,

> > is going to produce either death or ill health

> > to one of the elder male members of the family.

> > In this case Sun is the dispositor of some Raashi.

> > Same addects may be experienced in disposition of

> > above in trine aspects too.)

> > (I can give you this shloka from Chandrakala Nadi

> > within 5 minutes but spare me the trouble. Most of

> > the members who know me, also know that I do not

> > talk without base)

> >

> > What is aspect ?

> > Aspect can also be a conjunction. Is it not ?

> > A conjunction can also be deemed as a close aspect.

> > Is it not ?

> >

> > Anyway,Chandrakala Nadi-

> > verse 3124, verse 2044,verse 2045 and verse

> > 2385 (I can quote the shlokas here with their

> > translations) have exclusively given predictive

> > rules through CHANDRA NAVAMSA RASI)

> >

> > regards,

> > Bhaskar.

> >

> > , " vijayadas_pradeep "

> > <vijayadas_pradeep@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Bhaskar ji

> > >

> > > But the transit that you are talking w.r to navamsha points are

> > > exact natal positions.Sphuta of a planet.On the other hand when

> you

> > > see navamsha arrangement you are studying the link and not

> > > astronomical placement as Dr.Raman has said.

> > >

> > > Aspects are not based on such imaginary patterns.Amsha Rashi

> link is

> > > through tattwa sambandha.For aspects rules are clear and they

> are

> > > based on Rashi dispositions.

> > >

> > > Regds

> > > Pradeep

> > >

> > > -- In , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@>

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > //Now we are talking of 2 approaches.

> > > > > a) Transits with reference to natal points.

> > > > > b) transits with reference to nakshatra points.//

> > > >

> > > > Re-read above as -

> > > > b) transit with reference to Navamsha points.

> > > >

> > > > , " Bhaskar "

> <bhaskar_jyotish@>

> > > > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Finally nothing happens in the rashi chart too.

> > > > > That is history. The Rashi charts just give the

> > > > > pointers the degrees of the natal planets,

> > > > > and the Navamsha points, of these degrees, which again

> > > > > is converted into degrees for transit purpose and

> > > > > observations, and all this happens in the

> > > > > sky above.

> > > > >

> > > > > Now we are talking of 2 approaches.

> > > > > a) Transits with reference to natal points.

> > > > > b) transits with reference to nakshatra points.

> > > > >

> > > > > And aspects also same

> > > > >

> > > > > a) In natal Chart.

> > > > > b) In navamsha Chart ????

> > > > >

> > > > > So back to square one.

> > > > >

> > > > > regards,

> > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > >

> > > > > , " vijayadas_pradeep "

> > > > > <vijayadas_pradeep@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Chandrashekhar ji

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Thanks for the info regarding sphuta.As you see i too was

> > > thinking

> > > > > > and generally referring to exact conjunction,but navamsha

> > > sector was

> > > > > > given by Bhaskar ji.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Thus as you see,it is pointing to exact conjunction of

> > > transiting

> > > > > > planet,with navamsha lord of a bhavalord or planet.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Yes ,i can understand,your feelings.But still you may tell

> > > them that

> > > > > > these are happening in rashi chakra so that people who are

> > > wrong

> > > > > > understandings,will trust.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I somehow feel,some feel that who is talking has all

> > > importance and

> > > > > > what is being said has no importance.This is not the case.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Respect

> > > > > > Pradeep

> > > > > >

> > > > > > , Chandrashekhar

> > > > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Pradeep,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Your understanding of the transit over a certain degree

> is

> > > right.

> > > > > > But

> > > > > > > you have perhaps some confusion about the applicability

> of

> > > the nadi

> > > > > > > principles. it talks about the sphuta of the

> navamshesha.

> > > That is

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > exact degree of the lord of navamsha occupied by a bhava

> > > lord. I

> > > > > > trust

> > > > > > > this is clear.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I am as much a student of astrology as anybody else and

> do

> > > not

> > > > > > claim to

> > > > > > > be more knowledgeable than others. I might have

> corrected a

> > > wrong

> > > > > > > interpretation of some principle, on the basis of the

> > > principle as

> > > > > > > understood by me earlier but with the type of language

> > > flying on

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > list and challenges being thrown around, I have no wish

> to

> > > do so.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Take care,

> > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > vijayadas_pradeep wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Chandrashekhar ji

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Navamshesha of a bhava lord.Say my lagna lord is

> Guru.Its

> > > > > > > > navamshesha is Mercury.Mercury will be in some

> navamsha.It

> > > is in

> > > > > > > > Makara rashi in my case.Within Makara it is in Leo

> > > navamsha.As far

> > > > > > > > as i have seen the usage of amsha transits,one has to

> see

> > > the

> > > > > > > > transit from Leo rashi.I have explained this in the

> > > mother/father

> > > > > > > > navamsha/dwadashamsha shloka.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Now there is another principle.In that you have to see

> > > whether a

> > > > > > > > planet is transiting the exact degrees of its

> > > placement.transiting

> > > > > > > > amshas is identical to it.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > In my case if a planet say saturn is transiting makara

> > > rashi,leo

> > > > > > > > amsha(as you have quoted) that is a 3.2 degree sector

> > > within

> > > > > > makara

> > > > > > > > rashi,certain results can be predicted.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > It is physical transit exactly over my natal mercury's

> 3.2

> > > degree

> > > > > > > > span.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > How is this physical transit over natal rashi

> justifying

> > > bhavas in

> > > > > > > > navamsha chakra.You are a learned scholar and you have

> to

> > > correct

> > > > > > > > them if some one is making mistakes.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Respect

> > > > > > > > Pradeep

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar

> > > > > > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear Pradeep,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I do not know whether you have read Chandrakalanadi

> > > Sanskrit

> > > > > > > > shlokas,

> > > > > > > > > but the reference to transit identical with the

> amshas

> > > of the

> > > > > > > > > navamshesha of a bhava lord is clearly given

> therein. So

> > > > > > Prafulla

> > > > > > > > is right.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > For the record, Garga was not considered sage like

> but

> > > was a

> > > > > > sage

> > > > > > > > well

> > > > > > > > > respected by even Parashara himself.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > vijayadas_pradeep wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Dear Prafulla ji

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > If you may note,there were couple of cases similar

> to

> > > what you

> > > > > > > > > > talk,where Chandrashsekhar ji feels those as

> aspects

> > > in varga

> > > > > > > > > > chakras.Those cases are clealry explained in

> > > > > > > > Dashadhayayi.Moreover

> > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar ji had different opinion on

> kemadruma

> > > and

> > > > > > > > > > chandranavmshaka rashi.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Those cases too were explined not onlyin

> dashadhayayi

> > > but by

> > > > > > > > sagelike

> > > > > > > > > > figures,Garga,Jeevasharma and sruthakeerthi.Those

> were

> > > not

> > > > > > > > english

> > > > > > > > > > translations as you have given from

> Devakeralam.But in

> > > > > > Sanskrit

> > > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > > clear reeference to rashi.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Thus ,the basic principle is amshas and amshakas

> roots

> > > back to

> > > > > > > > > > rashis.Within a Rashi we have amshas of other

> > > rashis.For the

> > > > > > same

> > > > > > > > > > reason amshas and rashis are lorded by same planet.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > So what you are saying have to read in Rashi

> > > chart.Transits

> > > > > > can

> > > > > > > > only

> > > > > > > > > > be seen w.r to Rashi chart.How do you find navamsha

> > > > > > > > rashi.Whether you

> > > > > > > > > > see it from 3.2 degre sector or from a full

> navamshaka

> > > > > > > > rashi,they are

> > > > > > > > > > both pointing to Rashi chakra.Thus for transits

> there

> > > is no

> > > > > > > > amiguity

> > > > > > > > > > at all.You can ask any Jyotishi.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Regds

> > > > > > > > > > Pradeep

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > > <%40>, Prafulla

> Gang

> > > > > > <jyotish@>

> > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Dear Pradeep,

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > many thanks for your pointer.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Well, kalyan Varma must have hinted at partial

> > > aspect -

> > > > > > while

> > > > > > > > > > referring to D chart aspect. let me search for

> > > reference in

> > > > > > > > Saravali

> > > > > > > > > > and also search for Shri Rohini Ranjan's opinion

> > > (which

> > > > > > certainly

> > > > > > > > > > carries more weight than my layman's opinion ) and

> > > revert

> > > > > > back.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > I quote another reference:

> > > > > > > > > > > Satyacharya:

> > > > > > > > > > > " " As mercury and venus are in kendra (i.e.

> angular

> > > rashis)

> > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > navamsa chakra from each other, the native possess

> > > Vahanas

> > > > > > > > > > (conveyances). "

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > There are huge references in Deva Keralam - on

> use

> > > of D9

> > > > > > chart

> > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > transit analysis as well natal analysis - where

> > > aspects are

> > > > > > > > referred

> > > > > > > > > > and navamsa chakras are referred.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > BPHS in current version - may not be conclusive

> > > astrology

> > > > > > > > document;

> > > > > > > > > > as many equally respectable sages - have referred

> the

> > > use of D

> > > > > > > > charts

> > > > > > > > > > and aspects therein.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > regards / Prafulla Gang

> > > > > > > > > > > http://www.prafulla.net

> > > > > > > > <http://www.prafulla.net <http://www.prafulla.net>>

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > " Men who never get carried away should be. "

> > > > > > > > > > > ************************************************

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > vijayadas_pradeep@

> > > > > > > > > > > > Fri, 06 Jul 2007 22:04:44 -0000

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Why Navamsa Chart

> is so

> > > > > > important?

> > > > > > > > > > Quarter/Half

> > > > > > > > > > > > aspects

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Prafulla ji

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > The mentioned aspects are clearly for

> placement in

> > > > > > > > Rashis.Please

> > > > > > > > > > > > check Saravali again.Also in another chapter

> > > Kalyan Varma

> > > > > > > > clearly

> > > > > > > > > > > > mentions about every planet having ,quarter

> > > aspect,half

> > > > > > > > aspect

> > > > > > > > > > > > etc,apart from full aspect.Thus it is pretty

> clear

> > > that

> > > > > > > > these are

> > > > > > > > > > non-

> > > > > > > > > > > > full aspects in rashi chart.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Shri Ranjan did raise this question before and

> > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar ji

> > > > > > > > > > too

> > > > > > > > > > > > had given similr explanations.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Regds

> > > > > > > > > > > > Pradeep

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > > <%40>, Prafulla

> Gang

> > > > > > <jyotish@>

> > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > > > > > >> Dear Pradeep,

> > > > > > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > > > > > >> Another important issue - In D9 charts

> reference -

> > > kalyan

> > > > > > > > Varma

> > > > > > > > > > has

> > > > > > > > > > > > given hints for results for Sun aspecting

> venus;

> > > or

> > > > > > mercury

> > > > > > > > > > aspecting

> > > > > > > > > > > > venus. Since they can never " aspect " in Rashi

> > > Kundli - the

> > > > > > > > obvious

> > > > > > > > > > > > reference was to Navamsa " chart " .

> > > > > > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > > > > > >> I do not think, kalyan varma can be treated

> at

> > > par with

> > > > > > > > current

> > > > > > > > > > age

> > > > > > > > > > > > scholars !!

> > > > > > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > > > > > >> regards / Prafulla Gang

> > > > > > > > > > > >> http://www.prafulla.net

> <http://www.prafulla.net <http://www.prafulla.net>>

> > > > > > > > <http://www.prafulla.net <http://www.prafulla.net>>

> > > > > > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > > > > > >> " Men who never get carried away should be. "

> > > > > > > > > > > >>

> ************************************************

> > > > > > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > > > > > > >>> jyotish@

> > > > > > > > > > > >>> Thu, 5 Jul 2007 20:23:15 -0800

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > > > >>> Re: Why Navamsa Chart

> is

> > > so

> > > > > > > > important?

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > > > > > > >>> Dear Sreenadh ji

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > > > > > > >>> Well - who knows the truth? - Should the

> person

> > > making

> > > > > > > > comment,

> > > > > > > > > > be

> > > > > > > > > > > >>> construed to be as truth seeker - until they

> > > prove with

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > application

> > > > > > > > > > > >>> of the principles on the charts ( both ways -

>

> > > firstly

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > wrong

> > > > > > > > > > > >>> application of others; and secondly how to

> read

> > > in

> > > > > > correct

> > > > > > > > way).

> > > > > > > > > > > >>> Theorists without predictive support - has

> little

> > > > > > > > relevance in

> > > > > > > > > > > > jyotish.

> > > > > > > > > > > >>> But yes - if you can justify your statements

> by

> > > case

> > > > > > > > studies -

> > > > > > > > > > > > then at

> > > > > > > > > > > >>> least, I will hear with open mind.

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > > > > > > >>> Understandably, I have been quoted to

> be " blind "

> > > to

> > > > > > > > > > commentaries -

> > > > > > > > > > > > but my

> > > > > > > > > > > >>> submission is that - give me one reason to

> > > accept the

> > > > > > views

> > > > > > > > > > > > of " less read

> > > > > > > > > > > >>> scholars " than to " well read scholars like

> Late

> > > > > > > > Santhanam / Shri

> > > > > > > > > > > > KN Rao /

> > > > > > > > > > > >>> Shri Sanjay rath / many others " . and More

> so -

> > > as I do

> > > > > > > > > > > > not " pretend " to

> > > > > > > > > > > >>> know the sanskrit and do not " waste " my time

> > > on " shloka

> > > > > > > > > > business "

> > > > > > > > > > > > with my

> > > > > > > > > > > >>> " incomplete knowledge " . So I am happy to be

> > > following

> > > > > > > > better

> > > > > > > > > > > > quality

> > > > > > > > > > > >>> commentaries - who are expalining with the

> case

> > > studies.

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > > > > > > >>> Of course - each one makes his choice.

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > > > > > > >>> regards / Prafulla Gang

> > > > > > > > > > > >>> http://www.prafulla.net

> > > <http://www.prafulla.net>

> > > > > > > > <http://www.prafulla.net <http://www.prafulla.net>>

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > > > > > > >>> " Men who never get carried away should be. "

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>

> ************************************************

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>> sreesog@

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>> Thu, 05 Jul 2007 07:00:31 -0000

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>

> > > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>> Re: Why Navamsa

> Chart is

> > > so

> > > > > > > > important?

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>> Dear Prafulla ji,

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>> * Even if those things are not there in

> ancient

> > > texts

> > > > > > > > every

> > > > > > > > > > one

> > > > > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>> free to make or follow there own choice -

> yes,

> > > there is

> > > > > > > > every

> > > > > > > > > > > > chance

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>> that even such new methods might give true

> > > results -

> > > > > > your

> > > > > > > > > > > > argument is

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>> right.

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>> * As far Sanskrit is concerned: Yes, it is

> your

> > > > > > choice -

> > > > > > > > when

> > > > > > > > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>> are blind to read and understand Sanskrit

> your

> > > self,

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > understand

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>> what is there and what not, of course you

> have

> > > to

> > > > > > follow

> > > > > > > > > > someone

> > > > > > > > > > > > who

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>> says they see - you are right in that as

> well.

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>> Love,

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>> Sreenadh

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>

> > > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > > <%40>, Prafulla

> Gang

> > > > > > <jyotish@>

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> Well Sreenadh ji - at times, these issues

> > > become

> > > > > > choice

> > > > > > > > or

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>> prejudices in our own form of reading

> model.

> > > Had there

> > > > > > > > not been

> > > > > > > > > > > > any

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>> substance in interpreting D9 charts - lot

> many

> > > > > > stalwarts

> > > > > > > > must

> > > > > > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>> have explored it - and I presume - many of

> them

> > > know

> > > > > > > > better

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>> sanskrit / jyotish (rather both) than all

> of us

> > > on the

> > > > > > > > forum

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>> collectively. So if at all - anyone wish to

> > > contest the

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>> interpretation - then many of those

> stalwarts

> > > are the

> > > > > > > > people -

> > > > > > > > > > > > must

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>> be debated with. On the forum, where not

> many

> > > great

> > > > > > > > sanskrit

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>> scholars / jyotish researchers - the

> arguments

> > > may not

> > > > > > > > have any

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>> relevance.

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> regards / Prafulla Gang

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> http://www.prafulla.net

> > > <http://www.prafulla.net>

> > > > > > > > <http://www.prafulla.net <http://www.prafulla.net>>

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> " The right to be heard does not

> automatically

> > > include

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > right

> > > > > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>> be taken seriously. "

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>

> > > ************************************************

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> sreesog@

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> Tue, 03 Jul 2007 13:56:36 -0000

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> Re: Why Navamsa

> Chart

> > > is so

> > > > > > > > important?

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> Dear Prafulla ji,

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> * No ancient text ask us to read Navamsha

> (not

> > > > > > > > chart) " just

> > > > > > > > > > > > like

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>> D1

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> chart " ; nor they provide slokas for the

> same.

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> * No ancient text provide as the results

> > > > > > for " aspects of

> > > > > > > > > > > > planets

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>> in

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> Navamasa "

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> * Nor they give us the results to be

> > > predicted when

> > > > > > > > planets

> > > > > > > > > > > > are

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> placed " x house with reference to navamsa

> > > lagna "

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> I hope we are trying to study astrology

> as

> > > taught by

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > sages;

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>> If

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> not I don't have anything to say.

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> Love,

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> Sreenadh

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > > <%40>, Prafulla

> Gang

> > > > > > <jyotish@>

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>> Dear Sreenadh ji

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>> I have also observed many jyotish

> stalwarts

> > > using

> > > > > > > > navamsa

> > > > > > > > > > > > chart

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> (along with other D charts). Now how to

> > > assess D9

> > > > > > > > charts -

> > > > > > > > > > > > can be

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> perspective. But - as most authors say -

> just

> > > like D1

> > > > > > > > chart.

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>> I request members to share their

> experience.

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>> regards / Prafulla Gang

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>> http://www.prafulla.net

> > > <http://www.prafulla.net>

> > > > > > > > <http://www.prafulla.net <http://www.prafulla.net>>

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>> " The right to be heard does not

> > > automatically

> > > > > > include

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > right

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>> to

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> be taken seriously. "

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>

> > > ************************************************

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> sreesog@

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> Tue, 03 Jul 2007 07:56:49 -0000

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>

> > > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> Re: Why Navamsa

> > > Chart is so

> > > > > > > > > > important?

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> Dear Krishna ji,

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> ==>

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> I too to the view that

> Navamsa

> > > chart is

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> as important as Rasi chart.

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> <==

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> * There is not Navamsa " chart " , but

> only

> > > Navamsa.

> > > > > > > > Navamsa

> > > > > > > > > > > > chart

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> is

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> not as important as Rasi chart and it

> can

> > > never be,

> > > > > > > > because

> > > > > > > > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>> is

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> only an amsa. But yes, it is more

> important

> > > than

> > > > > > other

> > > > > > > > > > amsas

> > > > > > > > > > > > due

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> to

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> the prior said reasons.

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> ==>

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> - Why strength of a planet is Navamsa

> > > determines

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > overall

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> strength of a planet?

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> <==

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> * Because the quality of earth

> determines

> > > the

> > > > > > > > strength of

> > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> plant. This is applicable to all amsas

> as

> > > per their

> > > > > > > > > > > > importance.

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> ==>

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> - Why it is allowed to consider

> aspects in

> > > Navamsa

> > > > > > > > chart

> > > > > > > > > > > > like

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> aspects in a Rasi chart?

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> <==

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> * No, it is not allowed to consider

> aspects

> > > in

> > > > > > > > Navamsa.

> > > > > > > > > > > > (There

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> is

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> no navamsa 'chart'.)

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> ==>

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> - Why sambandha of planets in Navamsa

> > > chart can be

> > > > > > > > treated

> > > > > > > > > > > > as

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>> if

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> the planets have a sambandha in Rasi

> chart?

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> <==

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> * No, when planets have sambandha in

> > > Navamsa, it

> > > > > > only

> > > > > > > > > > means

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>> that.

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> When they have sombandha in Rasi, it

> only

> > > means

> > > > > > that.

> > > > > > > > It is

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>> wrong

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> to

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> mix the two.

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> ==>

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> - Why yogas should be looked at in

> navamsa

> > > chart

> > > > > > as

> > > > > > > > well?

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> <==

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> * No, Yogas should not be looked in

> > > > > > Navamsa 'chart'.

> > > > > > > > But

> > > > > > > > > > yes

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> yoga in

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> Navamsa (not navamsa 'chart') can be

> taken

> > > yoga.

> > > > > > > > Because it

> > > > > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>> the

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> same principles as used in Rasi that

> are

> > > used to

> > > > > > > > predict

> > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> result

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> in Amsas as well - But Aspect(Drishti)

> and

> > > houses

> > > > > > are

> > > > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> applicable

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> to amsas. Both Aspect(Drishti) and

> Houses

> > > should be

> > > > > > > > > > > > considered

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>> in

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> Rasi chart itself. Any reference in

> ancient

> > > texts

> > > > > > > > about

> > > > > > > > > > > > aspect

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>> or

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> houses essentially mean that they are

> > > referring to

> > > > > > > > Rasi

> > > > > > > > > > > > chart.

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> Love,

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> Sreenadh

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>

> > > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > > <%40>,

> Krishnamurthy

> > > > > > > > > > Seetharama

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> <krishna_1998@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> Dear Kolachina ji,

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> It was interesting to read your

> comments on

> > > > > > > > importance of

> > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> Navamsa chart. I too to the

> view

> > > that

> > > > > > > > Navamsa

> > > > > > > > > > > > chart

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>> is

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> as important as Rasi chart. This is

> based

> > > on my

> > > > > > > > experience

> > > > > > > > > > > > so

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> far reading charts. However, I have

> still

> > > not

> > > > > > > > understood

> > > > > > > > > > > > what

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> are the fundamental reasons for a

> varga

> > > chart

> > > > > > being

> > > > > > > > so

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> important.

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> - Why strength of a planet is Navamsa

> > > determines

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > overall

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> strength of a planet?

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> - Why it is allowed to consider

> aspects in

> > > Navamsa

> > > > > > > > chart

> > > > > > > > > > > > like

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> aspects in a Rasi chart?

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> - Why sambandha of planets in Navamsa

> > > chart can be

> > > > > > > > treated

> > > > > > > > > > > > as

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>> if

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> the planets have a sambandha in Rasi

> chart?

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> - Why yogas should be looked at in

> navamsa

> > > chart

> > > > > > as

> > > > > > > > well?

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> By looking at the kind of importance

> given

> > > to

> > > > > > Navamsa

> > > > > > > > > > > > chart, it

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> appears that the Rasi chart and

> Navamsa

> > > chart make

> > > > > > > > up two

> > > > > > > > > > > > equal

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> halves representing the native.

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> I have no doubts about the importance

> of

> > > Navamsa

> > > > > > > > Chart.

> > > > > > > > > > > > What I

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> would like to know is why Navamsa

> gains

> > > such an

> > > > > > > > > > importance?

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>> What

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> are the fundamental reasons? After all

> it

> > > is one

> > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > many

> > > > > > > > > > > > varga

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> charts!

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> Krishna

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> --- Satya Sai Kolachina <skolachi@>

> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> Dear Sri Pradeep and Sri

> Chandrasekhar,

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> I have been following this thread on

> > > karakamsa

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > both

> > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> your

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> contributions.

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> I whole-heartedly appreciate both of

> you

> > > for your

> > > > > > > > > > valuable

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> inputs

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> you are providing to the astrological

> > > community.

> > > > > > I

> > > > > > > > would

> > > > > > > > > > > > like

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> to

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> share my opinion (through my own

> > > experience).

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> Considering Karakamsa from either

> Rasi or

> > > Navamsa

> > > > > > > > chart

> > > > > > > > > > > > alone

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> most

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> probably leads to erroneous results,

> as I

> > > found

> > > > > > > > both the

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> approaches

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> working. I see the point Pradeep is

> > > making as

> > > > > > very

> > > > > > > > > > > > valuable;

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> at the

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> same time I am not against using

> Navamsa

> > > chart as

> > > > > > > > > > separate

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> chart (of

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> course without losing the context of

> the

> > > Rasi

> > > > > > > > chart),

> > > > > > > > > > since

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> any of

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> the varga charts will not give

> > > independent

> > > > > > results

> > > > > > > > if the

> > > > > > > > > > > > Rasi

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> chart

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> is ignored, as they themselves do not

> > > exist if

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > Rasi

> > > > > > > > > > > > chart

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> doesn't exist. In fact Sri KN Rao

> also

> > > mentioned

> > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > several

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> occassions in many of his articles

> and

> > > books that

> > > > > > > > yogas

> > > > > > > > > > > > viewed

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> in

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> the Rasi chart should also exist in

> the

> > > Navamsa

> > > > > > > > chart for

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> confirming

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> the results. If we do not see the

> Navamsa

> > > chart

> > > > > > as a

> > > > > > > > > > > > separate

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> chart,

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> how can we see the yogas therein? For

> the

> > > > > > purpose of

> > > > > > > > > > > > checking

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> some

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> yogas, Yuti and Veekshana

> (conjunction

> > > and

> > > > > > aspects)

> > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> navamsa

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> chart make sense. This kind of yuti

> or

> > > veekshana

> > > > > > > > should

> > > > > > > > > > be

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> considered on a hypothetical level

> (as

> > > mutual

> > > > > > > > influence

> > > > > > > > > > at

> > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> amsha level) rather than being within

> a

> > > 30 deg.

> > > > > > > > span. of

> > > > > > > > > > > > Rasi.

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> Take an example. If a planet is

> exlated

> > > or in own

> > > > > > > > house

> > > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> rasi

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> chart and attains debilitation in the

> > > Navamsa

> > > > > > > > chart, it

> > > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> condiered

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> as weakening of the actual strength

> shown

> > > in the

> > > > > > > > Rasi.

> > > > > > > > > > Why

> > > > > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> this

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> considered so? It is considered like

> that

> > > > > > because,

> > > > > > > > even

> > > > > > > > > > > > though

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> the

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> planet is within its own or exlated

> rasi,

> > > still

> > > > > > its

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> positioning

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> within that particular sector (here

> > > navamsa) has

> > > > > > > > weakened

> > > > > > > > > > > > it;

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> means,

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> within its own rasi, this particular

> > > sector is

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > weakest

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> point for

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> the planet within the strongest rasi;

> > > hence it

> > > > > > > > loses its

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> strength

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> considerably. This means there is a

> > > gradation of

> > > > > > > > > > strengths

> > > > > > > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> the

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> planet from first navamsa to the last

> > > navamsa.

> > > > > > The

> > > > > > > > > > navamsa

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> position

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> of a planet, thus indicates its

> refined

> > > placement

> > > > > > > > within

> > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> rasi.

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> In fact, Sri KN Rao also gives equal

> > > weightage to

> > > > > > > > both

> > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> Rasi and

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> Navamsa placement of a planet. If a

> > > planet is

> > > > > > weak

> > > > > > > > in one

> > > > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> them

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> that means half the weightage is

> lost. We

> > > may not

> > > > > > > > give

> > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> same

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> level of treatment to other vargas as

> we

> > > give to

> > > > > > > > Navamsa;

> > > > > > > > > > > > but

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> Navamsa is as important as the Rasi;

> to

> > > the

> > > > > > extent

> > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > > > > > can

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> be

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> viewed as an independent chart (to

> > > confirm the

> > > > > > > > promise

> > > > > > > > > > > > given

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> by the

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> rasi chart).

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> Without a confirmation of Navamsa

> chart,

> > > yogas in

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > rasi

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> chart

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> alone cannot and will not give

> expected

> > > results;

> > > > > > I

> > > > > > > > have

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> observed

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> this phenomenon in several charts.

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> My own experience is; I have Chandra

> and

> > > Sukra

> > > > > > both

> > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> 12th

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> house from Karakamsa in the Navamsa

> chart

> > > (not in

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > rasi

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> chart

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> with the rasi of karakamsa

> considering as

> > > the

> > > > > > > > karakamsa

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> lagna). I am

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> a deep devotee of Goddess Parvathi

> > > (represented

> > > > > > by

> > > > > > > > > > Chandra)

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> and

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> Goddess Lakshmi (represented by

> Sukra).

> > > If the

> > > > > > > > karakamsa

> > > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> brought

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> to the Rasi chart, this cannot be

> > > explained. The

> > > > > > > > sequence

> > > > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> my life

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> events are better explained only if I

> > > consider

> > > > > > > > karakamsa

> > > > > > > > > > > > lagna

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> in

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> the navamsa chart; I am not

> discounting

> > > Pradeep's

> > > > > > > > opinion

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> here; I am

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> just saying that both approaches need

> to

> > > be

> > > > > > > > considered on

> > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> chart,

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> and a composite opinion be formed, as

> Sri

> > > KN Rao

> > > > > > > > always

> > > > > > > > > > > > says.

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> On the other hand, considering the

> > > specific rasi

> > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > Rasi

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> chart

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> that holds karakamsa as the karakamsa

> > > lagna, my

> > > > > > > > Sukra is

> > > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> the 4th

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> house indicating my possession of a

> nice

> > > > > > beautiful

> > > > > > > > house,

> > > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> education/skills in arts (in addition

> to

> > > other

> > > > > > > > > > traditional

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> education).

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> I am bringing this to both your

> knowledge

> > > only to

> > > > > > > > > > summarize

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> that

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> both your theories give results; but

> not

> > > > > > > > necessarily in

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> isolation of

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> the other.

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> Thanks for all your contribution.

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> Best regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> Satya S Kolachina

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > > <%40>,

> Chandrashekhar

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> Dear Pradeep,

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> I can not comment on views of either

> > > Sanjay or

> > > > > > K.

> > > > > > > > N.

> > > > > > > > > > Rao.

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> First

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> there is

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> no difference in the meaning of

> Amsha

> > > and

> > > > > > Amshaka

> > > > > > > > though

> > > > > > > > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> is

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> perhaps

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> being confused. It also needs to be

> > > remembered

> > > > > > > > that in

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> astrological

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> translations many a times words are

> to be

> > > > > > > > understood in

> > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> context that

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> they used. So we find Parashara

> > > mentioning

> > > > > > > > karakamsha

> > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> Swamsha

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> in

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> alternate lines (almost) while

> > > indicating the

> > > > > > > > results of

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> occupation of

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> Karakamsha by Sun etc. and many

> other

> > > places in

> > > > > > > > > > karakamsha

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> adhyaaya.

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> This does not mean he is speaking

> about

> > > two

> > > > > > > > different

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> parameters.

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> I

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> think if any Sanskrit scholar who is

> > > also well

> > > > > > > > versed in

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> interpretation

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> of astrological texts will confirm

> this

> > > > > > contention

> > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > mine

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> if he

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> is

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> watching this discussion.

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> If you want my personal opinion, I

> think

> > > that

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > results

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> indicated on

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> the basis of Karakamsha without

> > > reference to the

> > > > > > > > > > potential

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> promised by

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> the rasi chart and the strength

> derived

> > > by the

> > > > > > > > grahas in

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> rasi

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> chart,

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> through the Navamsha chart, are not

> > > likely to

> > > > > > > > > > > > materialize. I

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> hope

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> this

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> opinion of mine does not create a

> big

> > > storm in

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> discussion on

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> the

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> list. But this is my personal

> opinion,

> > > for

> > > > > > > > whatever it

> > > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> worth.

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> Take care,

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> vijayadas_pradeep wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> Dear Chandrashekhar ji and

> Respected

> > > members

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> Shri Sanjay Rath clearly

> says ,Amshaka

> > > is

> > > > > > > > pointing to

> > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> Rashi

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> in

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> which a graha is having amsha.He

> also

> > > > > > > > says,Karakamsha

> > > > > > > > > > has

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> one

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> meaning ,while Karakamsha KA has

> > > another

> > > > > > meaning.

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> Chandrashekhar jis view is Amshaka

> is

> > > not

> > > > > > > > pointing to

> > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> Rashi

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> in

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> which a graha is having amsha.

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> Now Chandraekhar jis view is

> prudent as

> > > there

> > > > > > are

> > > > > > > > some

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> shlokas

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> which

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> shri Rath somehow has

> > > overlooked,contradicting

> > > > > > > > his view

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> point.

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> I respect shri Rath ,but i have to

> tell

> > > > > > > > this.Sometimes

> > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> answer and

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> explanations given by shri Rath are

> not

> > > > > > preceded

> > > > > > > > by

> > > > > > > > > > > > proper

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> === message truncated ===

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > ________

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> ______________

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> > > > > > > > <http://videogames./platform?platform=120121>

> > > > > > > > > > <http://videogames./platform?

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> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>

July 9, 2007

Dear Yogesh,

The question is that does it predate Lord Krishna, whose Kulguru was

Garga, if my memory serves me right? I do not think that is so. Of

course I have not studied that religion in depth.

Chandrashekhar.

Yogesh Shah wrote:

>

> Hi Chandrashekhar Ji,

>

> I agree that Garga predates Mahavira. Just one clarification, Jain

> religion predates Mahavira.

>

> Thank You,

>

> Yogesh Shah

>

> Chandrashekhar <chandrashekhar46

> <chandrashekhar46%40.co.uk>> wrote:

> Dear Prafulla,

>

> Garga referred to in jyotish was not a jain muni, as he predates Mahavira.

>

> Chandrashekhar.

>

> Prafulla Gang wrote:

> >

> > Dear Chandrersekhar ji and Pradeep ji,

> >

> > Many thanks for refrence. Since, i do not have Deva keralam handy with

> > me right now - I am not in position to quote specific shloka. But over

> > the periods, I do not know - if anyone has doubted the relevance of

> > Chandra kala nadi.

> >

> > Well, a small reference on garga - I recently heard that, many

> > scholars have linked him to Jain astrology (just because Garga was

> > Jain Saint). No - jainism does not have its explored Jyotish for natal

> > readings) - though the references are there for constellations and

> > spcific significance in its literature.

> >

> > regards / Prafulla Gang

> > http://www.prafulla.net <http://www.prafulla.net>

> >

> > " Men who never get carried away should be. "

> > ************************************************

> >

> > >

> > > chandrashekhar46

> <chandrashekhar46%40.co.uk>

> > <chandrashekhar46%40.co.uk>

> > > Sun, 08 Jul 2007 00:45:08 +0530

> > >

> <%40>

> > > Re: Why Navamsa Chart is so

> > important?Quarter/Half

> > > aspects

> > >

> > > Dear Pradeep,

> > >

> > > I do not know whether you have read Chandrakalanadi Sanskrit shlokas,

> > > but the reference to transit identical with the amshas of the

> > > navamshesha of a bhava lord is clearly given therein. So Prafulla is

> > > right.

> > >

> > > For the record, Garga was not considered sage like but was a sage well

> > > respected by even Parashara himself.

> > >

> > > Chandrashekhar.

> > >

> > > vijayadas_pradeep wrote:

> > >>

> > >> Dear Prafulla ji

> > >>

> > >> If you may note,there were couple of cases similar to what you

> > >> talk,where Chandrashsekhar ji feels those as aspects in varga

> > >> chakras.Those cases are clealry explained in Dashadhayayi.Moreover

> > >> Chandrashekhar ji had different opinion on kemadruma and

> > >> chandranavmshaka rashi.

> > >>

> > >> Those cases too were explined not onlyin dashadhayayi but by sagelike

> > >> figures,Garga,Jeevasharma and sruthakeerthi.Those were not english

> > >> translations as you have given from Devakeralam.But in Sanskrit with

> > >> clear reeference to rashi.

> > >>

> > >> Thus ,the basic principle is amshas and amshakas roots back to

> > >> rashis.Within a Rashi we have amshas of other rashis.For the same

> > >> reason amshas and rashis are lorded by same planet.

> > >>

> > >> So what you are saying have to read in Rashi chart.Transits can only

> > >> be seen w.r to Rashi chart.How do you find navamsha rashi.Whether you

> > >> see it from 3.2 degre sector or from a full navamshaka rashi,they are

> > >> both pointing to Rashi chakra.Thus for transits there is no amiguity

> > >> at all.You can ask any Jyotishi.

> > >>

> > >> Regds

> > >> Pradeep

> > >>

> <%40>

> > <%40>

> > >> <%40>, Prafulla Gang <jyotish

> > >> wrote:

> > >>>

> > >>> Dear Pradeep,

> > >>>

> > >>> many thanks for your pointer.

> > >>>

> > >>> Well, kalyan Varma must have hinted at partial aspect - while

> > >> referring to D chart aspect. let me search for reference in Saravali

> > >> and also search for Shri Rohini Ranjan's opinion (which certainly

> > >> carries more weight than my layman's opinion ) and revert back.

> > >>>

> > >>> I quote another reference:

> > >>> Satyacharya:

> > >>> " " As mercury and venus are in kendra (i.e. angular rashis) in the

> > >> navamsa chakra from each other, the native possess Vahanas

> > >> (conveyances). "

> > >>>

> > >>> There are huge references in Deva Keralam - on use of D9 chart in

> > >> transit analysis as well natal analysis - where aspects are referred

> > >> and navamsa chakras are referred.

> > >>>

> > >>> BPHS in current version - may not be conclusive astrology document;

> > >> as many equally respectable sages - have referred the use of D charts

> > >> and aspects therein.

> > >>>

> > >>> regards / Prafulla Gang

> > >>> http://www.prafulla.net <http://www.prafulla.net>

> <http://www.prafulla.net <http://www.prafulla.net>>

> > <http://www.prafulla.net <http://www.prafulla.net>

> <http://www.prafulla.net <http://www.prafulla.net>>>

> > >>>

> > >>> " Men who never get carried away should be. "

> > >>> ************************************************

> > >>>

> > >>>>

> > >>>> vijayadas_pradeep

> > >>>> Fri, 06 Jul 2007 22:04:44 -0000

> > >>>>

> <%40>

> > <%40>

> > >> <%40>

> > >>>> Re: Why Navamsa Chart is so important?

> > >> Quarter/Half

> > >>>> aspects

> > >>>>

> > >>>> Dear Prafulla ji

> > >>>>

> > >>>> The mentioned aspects are clearly for placement in Rashis.Please

> > >>>> check Saravali again.Also in another chapter Kalyan Varma clearly

> > >>>> mentions about every planet having ,quarter aspect,half aspect

> > >>>> etc,apart from full aspect.Thus it is pretty clear that these are

> > >> non-

> > >>>> full aspects in rashi chart.

> > >>>>

> > >>>> Shri Ranjan did raise this question before and Chandrashekhar ji

> > >> too

> > >>>> had given similr explanations.

> > >>>>

> > >>>> Regds

> > >>>> Pradeep

> > >>>>

> <%40>

> > <%40>

> > >> <%40>, Prafulla Gang <jyotish@>

> > >>>> wrote:

> > >>>>>

> > >>>>> Dear Pradeep,

> > >>>>>

> > >>>>> Another important issue - In D9 charts reference - kalyan Varma

> > >> has

> > >>>> given hints for results for Sun aspecting venus; or mercury

> > >> aspecting

> > >>>> venus. Since they can never " aspect " in Rashi Kundli - the obvious

> > >>>> reference was to Navamsa " chart " .

> > >>>>>

> > >>>>> I do not think, kalyan varma can be treated at par with current

> > >> age

> > >>>> scholars !!

> > >>>>>

> > >>>>> regards / Prafulla Gang

> > >>>>> http://www.prafulla.net <http://www.prafulla.net>

> <http://www.prafulla.net <http://www.prafulla.net>>

> > <http://www.prafulla.net <http://www.prafulla.net>

> <http://www.prafulla.net <http://www.prafulla.net>>>

> > >>>>>

> > >>>>> " Men who never get carried away should be. "

> > >>>>> ************************************************

> > >>>>>

> > >>>>>>

> > >>>>>> jyotish@

> > >>>>>> Thu, 5 Jul 2007 20:23:15 -0800

> > >>>>>>

> <%40>

> > <%40>

> > >> <%40>

> > >>>>>> Re: Why Navamsa Chart is so important?

> > >>>>>>

> > >>>>>> Dear Sreenadh ji

> > >>>>>>

> > >>>>>> Well - who knows the truth? - Should the person making comment,

> > >> be

> > >>>>>> construed to be as truth seeker - until they prove with the

> > >>>> application

> > >>>>>> of the principles on the charts ( both ways - firstly the wrong

> > >>>>>> application of others; and secondly how to read in correct way).

> > >>>>>> Theorists without predictive support - has little relevance in

> > >>>> jyotish.

> > >>>>>> But yes - if you can justify your statements by case studies -

> > >>>> then at

> > >>>>>> least, I will hear with open mind.

> > >>>>>>

> > >>>>>> Understandably, I have been quoted to be " blind " to

> > >> commentaries -

> > >>>> but my

> > >>>>>> submission is that - give me one reason to accept the views

> > >>>> of " less read

> > >>>>>> scholars " than to " well read scholars like Late Santhanam / Shri

> > >>>> KN Rao /

> > >>>>>> Shri Sanjay rath / many others " . and More so - as I do

> > >>>> not " pretend " to

> > >>>>>> know the sanskrit and do not " waste " my time on " shloka

> > >> business "

> > >>>> with my

> > >>>>>> " incomplete knowledge " . So I am happy to be following better

> > >>>> quality

> > >>>>>> commentaries - who are expalining with the case studies.

> > >>>>>>

> > >>>>>> Of course - each one makes his choice.

> > >>>>>>

> > >>>>>> regards / Prafulla Gang

> > >>>>>> http://www.prafulla.net <http://www.prafulla.net>

> <http://www.prafulla.net <http://www.prafulla.net>>

> > <http://www.prafulla.net <http://www.prafulla.net>

> <http://www.prafulla.net <http://www.prafulla.net>>>

> > >>>>>>

> > >>>>>> " Men who never get carried away should be. "

> > >>>>>> ************************************************

> > >>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>> sreesog@

> > >>>>>>> Thu, 05 Jul 2007 07:00:31 -0000

> > >>>>>>>

> <%40>

> > <%40>

> > >> <%40>

> > >>>>>>> Re: Why Navamsa Chart is so important?

> > >>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>> Dear Prafulla ji,

> > >>>>>>> * Even if those things are not there in ancient texts every

> > >> one

> > >>>> is

> > >>>>>>> free to make or follow there own choice - yes, there is every

> > >>>> chance

> > >>>>>>> that even such new methods might give true results - your

> > >>>> argument is

> > >>>>>>> right.

> > >>>>>>> * As far Sanskrit is concerned: Yes, it is your choice - when

> > >>>> you

> > >>>>>>> are blind to read and understand Sanskrit your self, and

> > >>>> understand

> > >>>>>>> what is there and what not, of course you have to follow

> > >> someone

> > >>>> who

> > >>>>>>> says they see - you are right in that as well.

> > >>>>>>> Love,

> > >>>>>>> Sreenadh

> > >>>>>>>

> <%40>

> > <%40>

> > >> <%40>, Prafulla Gang <jyotish@>

> > >>>>>>> wrote:

> > >>>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>> Well Sreenadh ji - at times, these issues become choice or

> > >>>>>>> prejudices in our own form of reading model. Had there not been

> > >>>> any

> > >>>>>>> substance in interpreting D9 charts - lot many stalwarts must

> > >> not

> > >>>>>>> have explored it - and I presume - many of them know better

> > >>>>>>> sanskrit / jyotish (rather both) than all of us on the forum

> > >>>>>>> collectively. So if at all - anyone wish to contest the

> > >>>>>>> interpretation - then many of those stalwarts are the people -

> > >>>> must

> > >>>>>>> be debated with. On the forum, where not many great sanskrit

> > >>>>>>> scholars / jyotish researchers - the arguments may not have any

> > >>>>>>> relevance.

> > >>>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>> regards / Prafulla Gang

> > >>>>>>>> http://www.prafulla.net <http://www.prafulla.net>

> <http://www.prafulla.net <http://www.prafulla.net>>

> > <http://www.prafulla.net <http://www.prafulla.net>

> <http://www.prafulla.net <http://www.prafulla.net>>>

> > >>>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>> " The right to be heard does not automatically include the

> > >> right

> > >>>> to

> > >>>>>>> be taken seriously. "

> > >>>>>>>> ************************************************

> > >>>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>>> sreesog@

> > >>>>>>>>> Tue, 03 Jul 2007 13:56:36 -0000

> > >>>>>>>>>

> <%40>

> > <%40>

> > >> <%40>

> > >>>>>>>>> Re: Why Navamsa Chart is so important?

> > >>>>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>>> Dear Prafulla ji,

> > >>>>>>>>> * No ancient text ask us to read Navamsha (not chart) " just

> > >>>> like

> > >>>>>>> D1

> > >>>>>>>>> chart " ; nor they provide slokas for the same.

> > >>>>>>>>> * No ancient text provide as the results for " aspects of

> > >>>> planets

> > >>>>>>> in

> > >>>>>>>>> Navamasa "

> > >>>>>>>>> * Nor they give us the results to be predicted when planets

> > >>>> are

> > >>>>>>>>> placed " x house with reference to navamsa lagna "

> > >>>>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>>> I hope we are trying to study astrology as taught by the

> > >>>> sages;

> > >>>>>>> If

> > >>>>>>>>> not I don't have anything to say.

> > >>>>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>>> Love,

> > >>>>>>>>> Sreenadh

> > >>>>>>>>>

> <%40>

> > <%40>

> > >> <%40>, Prafulla Gang <jyotish@>

> > >>>>>>>>> wrote:

> > >>>>>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>>>> Dear Sreenadh ji

> > >>>>>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>>>> I have also observed many jyotish stalwarts using navamsa

> > >>>> chart

> > >>>>>>>>> (along with other D charts). Now how to assess D9 charts -

> > >>>> can be

> > >>>>>>>>> perspective. But - as most authors say - just like D1 chart.

> > >>>>>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>>>> I request members to share their experience.

> > >>>>>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>>>> regards / Prafulla Gang

> > >>>>>>>>>> http://www.prafulla.net <http://www.prafulla.net>

> <http://www.prafulla.net <http://www.prafulla.net>>

> > <http://www.prafulla.net <http://www.prafulla.net>

> <http://www.prafulla.net <http://www.prafulla.net>>>

> > >>>>>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>>>> " The right to be heard does not automatically include the

> > >>>> right

> > >>>>>>> to

> > >>>>>>>>> be taken seriously. "

> > >>>>>>>>>> ************************************************

> > >>>>>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>>>>> sreesog@

> > >>>>>>>>>>> Tue, 03 Jul 2007 07:56:49 -0000

> > >>>>>>>>>>>

> <%40>

> > <%40>

> > >> <%40>

> > >>>>>>>>>>> Re: Why Navamsa Chart is so

> > >> important?

> > >>>>>>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>>>>> Dear Krishna ji,

> > >>>>>>>>>>> ==>

> > >>>>>>>>>>>> I too to the view that Navamsa chart is

> > >>>>>>>>>>>> as important as Rasi chart.

> > >>>>>>>>>>> <==

> > >>>>>>>>>>> * There is not Navamsa " chart " , but only Navamsa. Navamsa

> > >>>> chart

> > >>>>>>>>> is

> > >>>>>>>>>>> not as important as Rasi chart and it can never be, because

> > >>>> it

> > >>>>>>> is

> > >>>>>>>>>>> only an amsa. But yes, it is more important than other

> > >> amsas

> > >>>> due

> > >>>>>>>>> to

> > >>>>>>>>>>> the prior said reasons.

> > >>>>>>>>>>> ==>

> > >>>>>>>>>>>> - Why strength of a planet is Navamsa determines the

> > >> overall

> > >>>>>>>>>>>> strength of a planet?

> > >>>>>>>>>>> <==

> > >>>>>>>>>>> * Because the quality of earth determines the strength of

> > >>>> the

> > >>>>>>>>>>> plant. This is applicable to all amsas as per their

> > >>>> importance.

> > >>>>>>>>>>> ==>

> > >>>>>>>>>>>> - Why it is allowed to consider aspects in Navamsa chart

> > >>>> like

> > >>>>>>>>>>>> aspects in a Rasi chart?

> > >>>>>>>>>>> <==

> > >>>>>>>>>>> * No, it is not allowed to consider aspects in Navamsa.

> > >>>> (There

> > >>>>>>>>> is

> > >>>>>>>>>>> no navamsa 'chart'.)

> > >>>>>>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>>>>> ==>

> > >>>>>>>>>>>> - Why sambandha of planets in Navamsa chart can be treated

> > >>>> as

> > >>>>>>> if

> > >>>>>>>>>>>> the planets have a sambandha in Rasi chart?

> > >>>>>>>>>>> <==

> > >>>>>>>>>>> * No, when planets have sambandha in Navamsa, it only

> > >> means

> > >>>>>>> that.

> > >>>>>>>>>>> When they have sombandha in Rasi, it only means that. It is

> > >>>>>>> wrong

> > >>>>>>>>> to

> > >>>>>>>>>>> mix the two.

> > >>>>>>>>>>> ==>

> > >>>>>>>>>>>> - Why yogas should be looked at in navamsa chart as well?

> > >>>>>>>>>>> <==

> > >>>>>>>>>>> * No, Yogas should not be looked in Navamsa 'chart'. But

> > >> yes

> > >>>>>>>>> yoga in

> > >>>>>>>>>>> Navamsa (not navamsa 'chart') can be taken yoga. Because it

> > >>>> is

> > >>>>>>> the

> > >>>>>>>>>>> same principles as used in Rasi that are used to predict

> > >> the

> > >>>>>>>>> result

> > >>>>>>>>>>> in Amsas as well - But Aspect(Drishti) and houses are not

> > >>>>>>>>> applicable

> > >>>>>>>>>>> to amsas. Both Aspect(Drishti) and Houses should be

> > >>>> considered

> > >>>>>>> in

> > >>>>>>>>>>> Rasi chart itself. Any reference in ancient texts about

> > >>>> aspect

> > >>>>>>> or

> > >>>>>>>>>>> houses essentially mean that they are referring to Rasi

> > >>>> chart.

> > >>>>>>>>>>> Love,

> > >>>>>>>>>>> Sreenadh

> > >>>>>>>>>>>

> <%40>

> > <%40>

> > >> <%40>, Krishnamurthy

> > >> Seetharama

> > >>>>>>>>>>> <krishna_1998@> wrote:

> > >>>>>>>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Dear Kolachina ji,

> > >>>>>>>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>>>>>> It was interesting to read your comments on importance of

> > >>>> the

> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Navamsa chart. I too to the view that Navamsa

> > >>>> chart

> > >>>>>>> is

> > >>>>>>>>>>>> as important as Rasi chart. This is based on my experience

> > >>>> so

> > >>>>>>>>>>>> far reading charts. However, I have still not understood

> > >>>> what

> > >>>>>>>>>>>> are the fundamental reasons for a varga chart being so

> > >>>>>>>>>>>> important.

> > >>>>>>>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>>>>>> - Why strength of a planet is Navamsa determines the

> > >> overall

> > >>>>>>>>>>>> strength of a planet?

> > >>>>>>>>>>>> - Why it is allowed to consider aspects in Navamsa chart

> > >>>> like

> > >>>>>>>>>>>> aspects in a Rasi chart?

> > >>>>>>>>>>>> - Why sambandha of planets in Navamsa chart can be treated

> > >>>> as

> > >>>>>>> if

> > >>>>>>>>>>>> the planets have a sambandha in Rasi chart?

> > >>>>>>>>>>>> - Why yogas should be looked at in navamsa chart as well?

> > >>>>>>>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>>>>>> By looking at the kind of importance given to Navamsa

> > >>>> chart, it

> > >>>>>>>>>>>> appears that the Rasi chart and Navamsa chart make up two

> > >>>> equal

> > >>>>>>>>>>>> halves representing the native.

> > >>>>>>>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>>>>>> I have no doubts about the importance of Navamsa Chart.

> > >>>> What I

> > >>>>>>>>>>>> would like to know is why Navamsa gains such an

> > >> importance?

> > >>>>>>> What

> > >>>>>>>>>>>> are the fundamental reasons? After all it is one of many

> > >>>> varga

> > >>>>>>>>>>>> charts!

> > >>>>>>>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Regards,

> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Krishna

> > >>>>>>>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>>>>>> --- Satya Sai Kolachina <skolachi@> wrote:

> > >>>>>>>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Dear Sri Pradeep and Sri Chandrasekhar,

> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> I have been following this thread on karakamsa and both

> > >> of

> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> your

> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> contributions.

> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> I whole-heartedly appreciate both of you for your

> > >> valuable

> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> inputs

> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> you are providing to the astrological community. I would

> > >>>> like

> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> to

> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> share my opinion (through my own experience).

> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Considering Karakamsa from either Rasi or Navamsa chart

> > >>>> alone

> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> most

> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> probably leads to erroneous results, as I found both the

> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> approaches

> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> working. I see the point Pradeep is making as very

> > >>>> valuable;

> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> at the

> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> same time I am not against using Navamsa chart as

> > >> separate

> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> chart (of

> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> course without losing the context of the Rasi chart),

> > >> since

> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> any of

> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> the varga charts will not give independent results if the

> > >>>> Rasi

> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> chart

> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> is ignored, as they themselves do not exist if the Rasi

> > >>>> chart

> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> doesn't exist. In fact Sri KN Rao also mentioned in

> > >> several

> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> occassions in many of his articles and books that yogas

> > >>>> viewed

> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> in

> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> the Rasi chart should also exist in the Navamsa chart for

> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> confirming

> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> the results. If we do not see the Navamsa chart as a

> > >>>> separate

> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> chart,

> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> how can we see the yogas therein? For the purpose of

> > >>>> checking

> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> some

> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> yogas, Yuti and Veekshana (conjunction and aspects) in

> > >> the

> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> navamsa

> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> chart make sense. This kind of yuti or veekshana should

> > >> be

> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> considered on a hypothetical level (as mutual influence

> > >> at

> > >>>> the

> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> amsha level) rather than being within a 30 deg. span. of

> > >>>> Rasi.

> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Take an example. If a planet is exlated or in own house

> > >> in

> > >>>> the

> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> rasi

> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> chart and attains debilitation in the Navamsa chart, it

> > >> is

> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> condiered

> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> as weakening of the actual strength shown in the Rasi.

> > >> Why

> > >>>> is

> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> this

> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> considered so? It is considered like that because, even

> > >>>> though

> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> the

> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> planet is within its own or exlated rasi, still its

> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> positioning

> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> within that particular sector (here navamsa) has weakened

> > >>>> it;

> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> means,

> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> within its own rasi, this particular sector is the

> > >> weakest

> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> point for

> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> the planet within the strongest rasi; hence it loses its

> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> strength

> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> considerably. This means there is a gradation of

> > >> strengths

> > >>>> for

> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> the

> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> planet from first navamsa to the last navamsa. The

> > >> navamsa

> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> position

> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> of a planet, thus indicates its refined placement within

> > >>>> the

> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> rasi.

> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> In fact, Sri KN Rao also gives equal weightage to both

> > >> the

> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Rasi and

> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Navamsa placement of a planet. If a planet is weak in one

> > >>>> of

> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> them

> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> that means half the weightage is lost. We may not give

> > >> the

> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> same

> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> level of treatment to other vargas as we give to Navamsa;

> > >>>> but

> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Navamsa is as important as the Rasi; to the extent that

> > >> it

> > >>>> can

> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> be

> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> viewed as an independent chart (to confirm the promise

> > >>>> given

> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> by the

> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> rasi chart).

> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Without a confirmation of Navamsa chart, yogas in the

> > >> rasi

> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> chart

> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> alone cannot and will not give expected results; I have

> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> observed

> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> this phenomenon in several charts.

> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> My own experience is; I have Chandra and Sukra both in

> > >> the

> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> 12th

> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> house from Karakamsa in the Navamsa chart (not in the

> > >> rasi

> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> chart

> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> with the rasi of karakamsa considering as the karakamsa

> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> lagna). I am

> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> a deep devotee of Goddess Parvathi (represented by

> > >> Chandra)

> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> and

> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Goddess Lakshmi (represented by Sukra). If the karakamsa

> > >> is

> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> brought

> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> to the Rasi chart, this cannot be explained. The sequence

> > >>>> of

> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> my life

> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> events are better explained only if I consider karakamsa

> > >>>> lagna

> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> in

> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> the navamsa chart; I am not discounting Pradeep's opinion

> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> here; I am

> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> just saying that both approaches need to be considered on

> > >>>> the

> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> chart,

> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> and a composite opinion be formed, as Sri KN Rao always

> > >>>> says.

> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> On the other hand, considering the specific rasi in the

> > >>>> Rasi

> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> chart

> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> that holds karakamsa as the karakamsa lagna, my Sukra is

> > >> in

> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> the 4th

> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> house indicating my possession of a nice beautiful house,

> > >>>> and

> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> education/skills in arts (in addition to other

> > >> traditional

> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> education).

> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> I am bringing this to both your knowledge only to

> > >> summarize

> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> that

> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> both your theories give results; but not necessarily in

> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> isolation of

> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> the other.

> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks for all your contribution.

> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Best regards,

> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Satya S Kolachina

> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>

> <%40>

> > <%40>

> > >> <%40>, Chandrashekhar

> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dear Pradeep,

> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I can not comment on views of either Sanjay or K. N.

> > >> Rao.

> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> First

> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> there is

> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> no difference in the meaning of Amsha and Amshaka though

> > >>>> it

> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> is

> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> perhaps

> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> being confused. It also needs to be remembered that in

> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> astrological

> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> translations many a times words are to be understood in

> > >>>> the

> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> context that

> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> they used. So we find Parashara mentioning karakamsha

> > >> and

> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Swamsha

> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> in

> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> alternate lines (almost) while indicating the results of

> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> occupation of

> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Karakamsha by Sun etc. and many other places in

> > >> karakamsha

> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> adhyaaya.

> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> This does not mean he is speaking about two different

> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> parameters.

> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> I

> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> think if any Sanskrit scholar who is also well versed in

> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> interpretation

> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> of astrological texts will confirm this contention of

> > >> mine

> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> if he

> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> is

> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> watching this discussion.

> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> If you want my personal opinion, I think that the

> > >> results

> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> indicated on

> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> the basis of Karakamsha without reference to the

> > >> potential

> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> promised by

> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> the rasi chart and the strength derived by the grahas in

> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> rasi

> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> chart,

> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> through the Navamsha chart, are not likely to

> > >>>> materialize. I

> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> hope

> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> this

> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> opinion of mine does not create a big storm in the

> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> discussion on

> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> the

> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> list. But this is my personal opinion, for whatever it

> > >> is

> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> worth.

> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Take care,

> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Chandrashekhar.

> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> vijayadas_pradeep wrote:

> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dear Chandrashekhar ji and Respected members

> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Shri Sanjay Rath clearly says ,Amshaka is pointing to

> > >> the

> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Rashi

> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> in

> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> which a graha is having amsha.He also says,Karakamsha

> > >> has

> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> one

> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> meaning ,while Karakamsha KA has another meaning.

> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Chandrashekhar jis view is Amshaka is not pointing to

> > >> the

> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Rashi

> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> in

> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> which a graha is having amsha.

> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Now Chandraekhar jis view is prudent as there are some

> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> shlokas

> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> which

> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> shri Rath somehow has overlooked,contradicting his view

> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> point.

> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I respect shri Rath ,but i have to tell this.Sometimes

> > >>>> the

> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> answer and

> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> explanations given by shri Rath are not preceded by

> > >>>> proper

> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>>>>>> === message truncated ===

> > >>>>>>>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>>>

> > >>>>>>>

> > >>>>

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July 9, 2007

Dear Prafulla,

That may be so and yet Garga that is referred to in Jyotish was

certainly not Jain. I do not think many think of Lord Krishna as a Jain

Tirthankar. Lord Krishna explains his various rupas in Bhagavad Geeta

but there does not appear to be any reference o his being one.

Of course this is not a place to begin theological discussion. Neither

do I claim to be an expert in this subject.

Chandrashekhar.

Prafulla Gang wrote:

>

> Dear Chandrasekhar ji

>

> Jain religion is as old as vedas are. There are explicit reference of

> Jain Tirthankars (first three one) in Vedas.

>

> Lord Mahaveera was 24th Jain Tirthankars (last one until now) and as

> per Jain Shashtras, Ravan and then Lord Krishna will be next

> Tirthnakrs in next yuga.

>

> regards / Prafulla

>

> <%40>, Chandrashekhar

> <chandrashekhar46 wrote:

> >

> > Dear Prafulla,

> >

> > Garga referred to in jyotish was not a jain muni, as he predates

> Mahavira.

> >

> > Chandrashekhar.

> >

> > Prafulla Gang wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Chandrersekhar ji and Pradeep ji,

> > >

> > > Many thanks for refrence. Since, i do not have Deva keralam handy

> with

> > > me right now - I am not in position to quote specific shloka. But

> over

> > > the periods, I do not know - if anyone has doubted the relevance of

> > > Chandra kala nadi.

> > >

> > > Well, a small reference on garga - I recently heard that, many

> > > scholars have linked him to Jain astrology (just because Garga was

> > > Jain Saint). No - jainism does not have its explored Jyotish for

> natal

> > > readings) - though the references are there for constellations and

> > > spcific significance in its literature.

> > >

> > > regards / Prafulla Gang

> > > http://www.prafulla.net <http://www.prafulla.net>

> <http://www.prafulla.net <http://www.prafulla.net>>

> > >

> > > " Men who never get carried away should be. "

> > > ************************************************

> > >

> > > >

> > > > chandrashekhar46

> > > <chandrashekhar46%40.co.uk>

> > > > Sun, 08 Jul 2007 00:45:08 +0530

> > > >

> <%40>

> > > > Re: Why Navamsa Chart is so

> > > important?Quarter/Half

> > > > aspects

> > > >

> > > > Dear Pradeep,

> > > >

> > > > I do not know whether you have read Chandrakalanadi Sanskrit

> shlokas,

> > > > but the reference to transit identical with the amshas of the

> > > > navamshesha of a bhava lord is clearly given therein. So Prafulla is

> > > > right.

> > > >

> > > > For the record, Garga was not considered sage like but was a

> sage well

> > > > respected by even Parashara himself.

> > > >

> > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > >

> > > > vijayadas_pradeep wrote:

> > > >>

> > > >> Dear Prafulla ji

> > > >>

> > > >> If you may note,there were couple of cases similar to what you

> > > >> talk,where Chandrashsekhar ji feels those as aspects in varga

> > > >> chakras.Those cases are clealry explained in Dashadhayayi.Moreover

> > > >> Chandrashekhar ji had different opinion on kemadruma and

> > > >> chandranavmshaka rashi.

> > > >>

> > > >> Those cases too were explined not onlyin dashadhayayi but by

> sagelike

> > > >> figures,Garga,Jeevasharma and sruthakeerthi.Those were not english

> > > >> translations as you have given from Devakeralam.But in Sanskrit

> with

> > > >> clear reeference to rashi.

> > > >>

> > > >> Thus ,the basic principle is amshas and amshakas roots back to

> > > >> rashis.Within a Rashi we have amshas of other rashis.For the same

> > > >> reason amshas and rashis are lorded by same planet.

> > > >>

> > > >> So what you are saying have to read in Rashi chart.Transits can

> only

> > > >> be seen w.r to Rashi chart.How do you find navamsha

> rashi.Whether you

> > > >> see it from 3.2 degre sector or from a full navamshaka

> rashi,they are

> > > >> both pointing to Rashi chakra.Thus for transits there is no

> amiguity

> > > >> at all.You can ask any Jyotishi.

> > > >>

> > > >> Regds

> > > >> Pradeep

> > > >>

> <%40>

> > > <%40>

> > > >> <%40>, Prafulla Gang <jyotish@>

> > > >> wrote:

> > > >>>

> > > >>> Dear Pradeep,

> > > >>>

> > > >>> many thanks for your pointer.

> > > >>>

> > > >>> Well, kalyan Varma must have hinted at partial aspect - while

> > > >> referring to D chart aspect. let me search for reference in

> Saravali

> > > >> and also search for Shri Rohini Ranjan's opinion (which certainly

> > > >> carries more weight than my layman's opinion ) and revert back.

> > > >>>

> > > >>> I quote another reference:

> > > >>> Satyacharya:

> > > >>> " " As mercury and venus are in kendra (i.e. angular rashis) in the

> > > >> navamsa chakra from each other, the native possess Vahanas

> > > >> (conveyances). "

> > > >>>

> > > >>> There are huge references in Deva Keralam - on use of D9 chart in

> > > >> transit analysis as well natal analysis - where aspects are

> referred

> > > >> and navamsa chakras are referred.

> > > >>>

> > > >>> BPHS in current version - may not be conclusive astrology

> document;

> > > >> as many equally respectable sages - have referred the use of D

> charts

> > > >> and aspects therein.

> > > >>>

> > > >>> regards / Prafulla Gang

> > > >>> http://www.prafulla.net <http://www.prafulla.net>

> <http://www.prafulla.net <http://www.prafulla.net>>

> > > <http://www.prafulla.net <http://www.prafulla.net>

> <http://www.prafulla.net <http://www.prafulla.net>>>

> > > >>>

> > > >>> " Men who never get carried away should be. "

> > > >>> ************************************************

> > > >>>

> > > >>>>

> > > >>>> vijayadas_pradeep@

> > > >>>> Fri, 06 Jul 2007 22:04:44 -0000

> > > >>>>

> <%40>

> > > <%40>

> > > >> <%40>

> > > >>>> Re: Why Navamsa Chart is so important?

> > > >> Quarter/Half

> > > >>>> aspects

> > > >>>>

> > > >>>> Dear Prafulla ji

> > > >>>>

> > > >>>> The mentioned aspects are clearly for placement in Rashis.Please

> > > >>>> check Saravali again.Also in another chapter Kalyan Varma clearly

> > > >>>> mentions about every planet having ,quarter aspect,half aspect

> > > >>>> etc,apart from full aspect.Thus it is pretty clear that these are

> > > >> non-

> > > >>>> full aspects in rashi chart.

> > > >>>>

> > > >>>> Shri Ranjan did raise this question before and Chandrashekhar ji

> > > >> too

> > > >>>> had given similr explanations.

> > > >>>>

> > > >>>> Regds

> > > >>>> Pradeep

> > > >>>>

> <%40>

> > > <%40>

> > > >> <%40>, Prafulla Gang <jyotish@>

> > > >>>> wrote:

> > > >>>>>

> > > >>>>> Dear Pradeep,

> > > >>>>>

> > > >>>>> Another important issue - In D9 charts reference - kalyan Varma

> > > >> has

> > > >>>> given hints for results for Sun aspecting venus; or mercury

> > > >> aspecting

> > > >>>> venus. Since they can never " aspect " in Rashi Kundli - the

> obvious

> > > >>>> reference was to Navamsa " chart " .

> > > >>>>>

> > > >>>>> I do not think, kalyan varma can be treated at par with current

> > > >> age

> > > >>>> scholars !!

> > > >>>>>

> > > >>>>> regards / Prafulla Gang

> > > >>>>> http://www.prafulla.net <http://www.prafulla.net>

> <http://www.prafulla.net <http://www.prafulla.net>>

> > > <http://www.prafulla.net <http://www.prafulla.net>

> <http://www.prafulla.net <http://www.prafulla.net>>>

> > > >>>>>

> > > >>>>> " Men who never get carried away should be. "

> > > >>>>> ************************************************

> > > >>>>>

> > > >>>>>>

> > > >>>>>> jyotish@

> > > >>>>>> Thu, 5 Jul 2007 20:23:15 -0800

> > > >>>>>>

> <%40>

> > > <%40>

> > > >> <%40>

> > > >>>>>> Re: Why Navamsa Chart is so important?

> > > >>>>>>

> > > >>>>>> Dear Sreenadh ji

> > > >>>>>>

> > > >>>>>> Well - who knows the truth? - Should the person making comment,

> > > >> be

> > > >>>>>> construed to be as truth seeker - until they prove with the

> > > >>>> application

> > > >>>>>> of the principles on the charts ( both ways - firstly the wrong

> > > >>>>>> application of others; and secondly how to read in correct

> way).

> > > >>>>>> Theorists without predictive support - has little relevance in

> > > >>>> jyotish.

> > > >>>>>> But yes - if you can justify your statements by case studies -

> > > >>>> then at

> > > >>>>>> least, I will hear with open mind.

> > > >>>>>>

> > > >>>>>> Understandably, I have been quoted to be " blind " to

> > > >> commentaries -

> > > >>>> but my

> > > >>>>>> submission is that - give me one reason to accept the views

> > > >>>> of " less read

> > > >>>>>> scholars " than to " well read scholars like Late Santhanam /

> Shri

> > > >>>> KN Rao /

> > > >>>>>> Shri Sanjay rath / many others " . and More so - as I do

> > > >>>> not " pretend " to

> > > >>>>>> know the sanskrit and do not " waste " my time on " shloka

> > > >> business "

> > > >>>> with my

> > > >>>>>> " incomplete knowledge " . So I am happy to be following better

> > > >>>> quality

> > > >>>>>> commentaries - who are expalining with the case studies.

> > > >>>>>>

> > > >>>>>> Of course - each one makes his choice.

> > > >>>>>>

> > > >>>>>> regards / Prafulla Gang

> > > >>>>>> http://www.prafulla.net <http://www.prafulla.net>

> <http://www.prafulla.net <http://www.prafulla.net>>

> > > <http://www.prafulla.net <http://www.prafulla.net>

> <http://www.prafulla.net <http://www.prafulla.net>>>

> > > >>>>>>

> > > >>>>>> " Men who never get carried away should be. "

> > > >>>>>> ************************************************

> > > >>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>> sreesog@

> > > >>>>>>> Thu, 05 Jul 2007 07:00:31 -0000

> > > >>>>>>>

> <%40>

> > > <%40>

> > > >> <%40>

> > > >>>>>>> Re: Why Navamsa Chart is so important?

> > > >>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>> Dear Prafulla ji,

> > > >>>>>>> * Even if those things are not there in ancient texts every

> > > >> one

> > > >>>> is

> > > >>>>>>> free to make or follow there own choice - yes, there is every

> > > >>>> chance

> > > >>>>>>> that even such new methods might give true results - your

> > > >>>> argument is

> > > >>>>>>> right.

> > > >>>>>>> * As far Sanskrit is concerned: Yes, it is your choice - when

> > > >>>> you

> > > >>>>>>> are blind to read and understand Sanskrit your self, and

> > > >>>> understand

> > > >>>>>>> what is there and what not, of course you have to follow

> > > >> someone

> > > >>>> who

> > > >>>>>>> says they see - you are right in that as well.

> > > >>>>>>> Love,

> > > >>>>>>> Sreenadh

> > > >>>>>>>

> <%40>

> > > <%40>

> > > >> <%40>, Prafulla Gang <jyotish@>

> > > >>>>>>> wrote:

> > > >>>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>> Well Sreenadh ji - at times, these issues become choice or

> > > >>>>>>> prejudices in our own form of reading model. Had there not

> been

> > > >>>> any

> > > >>>>>>> substance in interpreting D9 charts - lot many stalwarts must

> > > >> not

> > > >>>>>>> have explored it - and I presume - many of them know better

> > > >>>>>>> sanskrit / jyotish (rather both) than all of us on the forum

> > > >>>>>>> collectively. So if at all - anyone wish to contest the

> > > >>>>>>> interpretation - then many of those stalwarts are the people -

> > > >>>> must

> > > >>>>>>> be debated with. On the forum, where not many great sanskrit

> > > >>>>>>> scholars / jyotish researchers - the arguments may not

> have any

> > > >>>>>>> relevance.

> > > >>>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>> regards / Prafulla Gang

> > > >>>>>>>> http://www.prafulla.net <http://www.prafulla.net>

> <http://www.prafulla.net <http://www.prafulla.net>>

> > > <http://www.prafulla.net <http://www.prafulla.net>

> <http://www.prafulla.net <http://www.prafulla.net>>>

> > > >>>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>> " The right to be heard does not automatically include the

> > > >> right

> > > >>>> to

> > > >>>>>>> be taken seriously. "

> > > >>>>>>>> ************************************************

> > > >>>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>>> sreesog@

> > > >>>>>>>>> Tue, 03 Jul 2007 13:56:36 -0000

> > > >>>>>>>>>

> <%40>

> > > <%40>

> > > >> <%40>

> > > >>>>>>>>> Re: Why Navamsa Chart is so

> important?

> > > >>>>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>>> Dear Prafulla ji,

> > > >>>>>>>>> * No ancient text ask us to read Navamsha (not chart) " just

> > > >>>> like

> > > >>>>>>> D1

> > > >>>>>>>>> chart " ; nor they provide slokas for the same.

> > > >>>>>>>>> * No ancient text provide as the results for " aspects of

> > > >>>> planets

> > > >>>>>>> in

> > > >>>>>>>>> Navamasa "

> > > >>>>>>>>> * Nor they give us the results to be predicted when planets

> > > >>>> are

> > > >>>>>>>>> placed " x house with reference to navamsa lagna "

> > > >>>>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>>> I hope we are trying to study astrology as taught by the

> > > >>>> sages;

> > > >>>>>>> If

> > > >>>>>>>>> not I don't have anything to say.

> > > >>>>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>>> Love,

> > > >>>>>>>>> Sreenadh

> > > >>>>>>>>>

> <%40>

> > > <%40>

> > > >> <%40>, Prafulla Gang <jyotish@>

> > > >>>>>>>>> wrote:

> > > >>>>>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>>>> Dear Sreenadh ji

> > > >>>>>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>>>> I have also observed many jyotish stalwarts using navamsa

> > > >>>> chart

> > > >>>>>>>>> (along with other D charts). Now how to assess D9 charts -

> > > >>>> can be

> > > >>>>>>>>> perspective. But - as most authors say - just like D1 chart.

> > > >>>>>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>>>> I request members to share their experience.

> > > >>>>>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>>>> regards / Prafulla Gang

> > > >>>>>>>>>> http://www.prafulla.net <http://www.prafulla.net>

> <http://www.prafulla.net <http://www.prafulla.net>>

> > > <http://www.prafulla.net <http://www.prafulla.net>

> <http://www.prafulla.net <http://www.prafulla.net>>>

> > > >>>>>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>>>> " The right to be heard does not automatically include the

> > > >>>> right

> > > >>>>>>> to

> > > >>>>>>>>> be taken seriously. "

> > > >>>>>>>>>> ************************************************

> > > >>>>>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>>>>> sreesog@

> > > >>>>>>>>>>> Tue, 03 Jul 2007 07:56:49 -0000

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>

> <%40>

> > > <%40>

> > > >> <%40>

> > > >>>>>>>>>>> Re: Why Navamsa Chart is so

> > > >> important?

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>>>>> Dear Krishna ji,

> > > >>>>>>>>>>> ==>

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> I too to the view that Navamsa chart is

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> as important as Rasi chart.

> > > >>>>>>>>>>> <==

> > > >>>>>>>>>>> * There is not Navamsa " chart " , but only Navamsa. Navamsa

> > > >>>> chart

> > > >>>>>>>>> is

> > > >>>>>>>>>>> not as important as Rasi chart and it can never be,

> because

> > > >>>> it

> > > >>>>>>> is

> > > >>>>>>>>>>> only an amsa. But yes, it is more important than other

> > > >> amsas

> > > >>>> due

> > > >>>>>>>>> to

> > > >>>>>>>>>>> the prior said reasons.

> > > >>>>>>>>>>> ==>

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> - Why strength of a planet is Navamsa determines the

> > > >> overall

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> strength of a planet?

> > > >>>>>>>>>>> <==

> > > >>>>>>>>>>> * Because the quality of earth determines the strength of

> > > >>>> the

> > > >>>>>>>>>>> plant. This is applicable to all amsas as per their

> > > >>>> importance.

> > > >>>>>>>>>>> ==>

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> - Why it is allowed to consider aspects in Navamsa chart

> > > >>>> like

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> aspects in a Rasi chart?

> > > >>>>>>>>>>> <==

> > > >>>>>>>>>>> * No, it is not allowed to consider aspects in Navamsa.

> > > >>>> (There

> > > >>>>>>>>> is

> > > >>>>>>>>>>> no navamsa 'chart'.)

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>>>>> ==>

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> - Why sambandha of planets in Navamsa chart can be

> treated

> > > >>>> as

> > > >>>>>>> if

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> the planets have a sambandha in Rasi chart?

> > > >>>>>>>>>>> <==

> > > >>>>>>>>>>> * No, when planets have sambandha in Navamsa, it only

> > > >> means

> > > >>>>>>> that.

> > > >>>>>>>>>>> When they have sombandha in Rasi, it only means that.

> It is

> > > >>>>>>> wrong

> > > >>>>>>>>> to

> > > >>>>>>>>>>> mix the two.

> > > >>>>>>>>>>> ==>

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> - Why yogas should be looked at in navamsa chart as well?

> > > >>>>>>>>>>> <==

> > > >>>>>>>>>>> * No, Yogas should not be looked in Navamsa 'chart'. But

> > > >> yes

> > > >>>>>>>>> yoga in

> > > >>>>>>>>>>> Navamsa (not navamsa 'chart') can be taken yoga.

> Because it

> > > >>>> is

> > > >>>>>>> the

> > > >>>>>>>>>>> same principles as used in Rasi that are used to predict

> > > >> the

> > > >>>>>>>>> result

> > > >>>>>>>>>>> in Amsas as well - But Aspect(Drishti) and houses are not

> > > >>>>>>>>> applicable

> > > >>>>>>>>>>> to amsas. Both Aspect(Drishti) and Houses should be

> > > >>>> considered

> > > >>>>>>> in

> > > >>>>>>>>>>> Rasi chart itself. Any reference in ancient texts about

> > > >>>> aspect

> > > >>>>>>> or

> > > >>>>>>>>>>> houses essentially mean that they are referring to Rasi

> > > >>>> chart.

> > > >>>>>>>>>>> Love,

> > > >>>>>>>>>>> Sreenadh

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>

> <%40>

> > > <%40>

> > > >> <%40>, Krishnamurthy

> > > >> Seetharama

> > > >>>>>>>>>>> <krishna_1998@> wrote:

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> Dear Kolachina ji,

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> It was interesting to read your comments on importance of

> > > >>>> the

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> Navamsa chart. I too to the view that Navamsa

> > > >>>> chart

> > > >>>>>>> is

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> as important as Rasi chart. This is based on my

> experience

> > > >>>> so

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> far reading charts. However, I have still not understood

> > > >>>> what

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> are the fundamental reasons for a varga chart being so

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> important.

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> - Why strength of a planet is Navamsa determines the

> > > >> overall

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> strength of a planet?

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> - Why it is allowed to consider aspects in Navamsa chart

> > > >>>> like

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> aspects in a Rasi chart?

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> - Why sambandha of planets in Navamsa chart can be

> treated

> > > >>>> as

> > > >>>>>>> if

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> the planets have a sambandha in Rasi chart?

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> - Why yogas should be looked at in navamsa chart as well?

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> By looking at the kind of importance given to Navamsa

> > > >>>> chart, it

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> appears that the Rasi chart and Navamsa chart make up two

> > > >>>> equal

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> halves representing the native.

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> I have no doubts about the importance of Navamsa Chart.

> > > >>>> What I

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> would like to know is why Navamsa gains such an

> > > >> importance?

> > > >>>>>>> What

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> are the fundamental reasons? After all it is one of many

> > > >>>> varga

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> charts!

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> Regards,

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> Krishna

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> --- Satya Sai Kolachina <skolachi@> wrote:

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Dear Sri Pradeep and Sri Chandrasekhar,

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> I have been following this thread on karakamsa and both

> > > >> of

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> your

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> contributions.

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> I whole-heartedly appreciate both of you for your

> > > >> valuable

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> inputs

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> you are providing to the astrological community. I would

> > > >>>> like

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> to

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> share my opinion (through my own experience).

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Considering Karakamsa from either Rasi or Navamsa chart

> > > >>>> alone

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> most

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> probably leads to erroneous results, as I found both the

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> approaches

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> working. I see the point Pradeep is making as very

> > > >>>> valuable;

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> at the

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> same time I am not against using Navamsa chart as

> > > >> separate

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> chart (of

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> course without losing the context of the Rasi chart),

> > > >> since

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> any of

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> the varga charts will not give independent results

> if the

> > > >>>> Rasi

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> chart

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> is ignored, as they themselves do not exist if the Rasi

> > > >>>> chart

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> doesn't exist. In fact Sri KN Rao also mentioned in

> > > >> several

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> occassions in many of his articles and books that yogas

> > > >>>> viewed

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> in

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> the Rasi chart should also exist in the Navamsa

> chart for

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> confirming

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> the results. If we do not see the Navamsa chart as a

> > > >>>> separate

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> chart,

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> how can we see the yogas therein? For the purpose of

> > > >>>> checking

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> some

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> yogas, Yuti and Veekshana (conjunction and aspects) in

> > > >> the

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> navamsa

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> chart make sense. This kind of yuti or veekshana should

> > > >> be

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> considered on a hypothetical level (as mutual influence

> > > >> at

> > > >>>> the

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> amsha level) rather than being within a 30 deg. span. of

> > > >>>> Rasi.

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Take an example. If a planet is exlated or in own house

> > > >> in

> > > >>>> the

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> rasi

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> chart and attains debilitation in the Navamsa chart, it

> > > >> is

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> condiered

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> as weakening of the actual strength shown in the Rasi.

> > > >> Why

> > > >>>> is

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> this

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> considered so? It is considered like that because, even

> > > >>>> though

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> the

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> planet is within its own or exlated rasi, still its

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> positioning

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> within that particular sector (here navamsa) has

> weakened

> > > >>>> it;

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> means,

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> within its own rasi, this particular sector is the

> > > >> weakest

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> point for

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> the planet within the strongest rasi; hence it loses its

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> strength

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> considerably. This means there is a gradation of

> > > >> strengths

> > > >>>> for

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> the

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> planet from first navamsa to the last navamsa. The

> > > >> navamsa

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> position

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> of a planet, thus indicates its refined placement within

> > > >>>> the

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> rasi.

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> In fact, Sri KN Rao also gives equal weightage to both

> > > >> the

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Rasi and

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Navamsa placement of a planet. If a planet is weak

> in one

> > > >>>> of

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> them

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> that means half the weightage is lost. We may not give

> > > >> the

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> same

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> level of treatment to other vargas as we give to

> Navamsa;

> > > >>>> but

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Navamsa is as important as the Rasi; to the extent that

> > > >> it

> > > >>>> can

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> be

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> viewed as an independent chart (to confirm the promise

> > > >>>> given

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> by the

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> rasi chart).

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Without a confirmation of Navamsa chart, yogas in the

> > > >> rasi

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> chart

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> alone cannot and will not give expected results; I have

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> observed

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> this phenomenon in several charts.

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> My own experience is; I have Chandra and Sukra both in

> > > >> the

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> 12th

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> house from Karakamsa in the Navamsa chart (not in the

> > > >> rasi

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> chart

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> with the rasi of karakamsa considering as the karakamsa

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> lagna). I am

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> a deep devotee of Goddess Parvathi (represented by

> > > >> Chandra)

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> and

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Goddess Lakshmi (represented by Sukra). If the karakamsa

> > > >> is

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> brought

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> to the Rasi chart, this cannot be explained. The

> sequence

> > > >>>> of

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> my life

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> events are better explained only if I consider karakamsa

> > > >>>> lagna

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> in

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> the navamsa chart; I am not discounting Pradeep's

> opinion

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> here; I am

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> just saying that both approaches need to be

> considered on

> > > >>>> the

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> chart,

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> and a composite opinion be formed, as Sri KN Rao always

> > > >>>> says.

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> On the other hand, considering the specific rasi in the

> > > >>>> Rasi

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> chart

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> that holds karakamsa as the karakamsa lagna, my Sukra is

> > > >> in

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> the 4th

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> house indicating my possession of a nice beautiful

> house,

> > > >>>> and

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> education/skills in arts (in addition to other

> > > >> traditional

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> education).

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> I am bringing this to both your knowledge only to

> > > >> summarize

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> that

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> both your theories give results; but not necessarily in

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> isolation of

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> the other.

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks for all your contribution.

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Best regards,

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Satya S Kolachina

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>

> <%40>

> > > <%40>

> > > >> <%40>, Chandrashekhar

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dear Pradeep,

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I can not comment on views of either Sanjay or K. N.

> > > >> Rao.

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> First

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> there is

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> no difference in the meaning of Amsha and Amshaka

> though

> > > >>>> it

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> is

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> perhaps

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> being confused. It also needs to be remembered that in

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> astrological

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> translations many a times words are to be understood in

> > > >>>> the

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> context that

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> they used. So we find Parashara mentioning karakamsha

> > > >> and

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Swamsha

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> in

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> alternate lines (almost) while indicating the

> results of

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> occupation of

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Karakamsha by Sun etc. and many other places in

> > > >> karakamsha

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> adhyaaya.

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> This does not mean he is speaking about two different

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> parameters.

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> I

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> think if any Sanskrit scholar who is also well

> versed in

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> interpretation

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> of astrological texts will confirm this contention of

> > > >> mine

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> if he

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> is

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> watching this discussion.

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> If you want my personal opinion, I think that the

> > > >> results

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> indicated on

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> the basis of Karakamsha without reference to the

> > > >> potential

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> promised by

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> the rasi chart and the strength derived by the

> grahas in

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> rasi

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> chart,

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> through the Navamsha chart, are not likely to

> > > >>>> materialize. I

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> hope

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> this

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> opinion of mine does not create a big storm in the

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> discussion on

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> the

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> list. But this is my personal opinion, for whatever it

> > > >> is

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> worth.

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Take care,

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Chandrashekhar.

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> vijayadas_pradeep wrote:

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dear Chandrashekhar ji and Respected members

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Shri Sanjay Rath clearly says ,Amshaka is pointing to

> > > >> the

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Rashi

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> in

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> which a graha is having amsha.He also says,Karakamsha

> > > >> has

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> one

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> meaning ,while Karakamsha KA has another meaning.

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Chandrashekhar jis view is Amshaka is not pointing to

> > > >> the

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Rashi

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> in

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> which a graha is having amsha.

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Now Chandraekhar jis view is prudent as there are some

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> shlokas

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> which

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> shri Rath somehow has overlooked,contradicting his

> view

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> point.

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I respect shri Rath ,but i have to tell this.Sometimes

> > > >>>> the

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> answer and

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> explanations given by shri Rath are not preceded by

> > > >>>> proper

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> === message truncated ===

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>>>

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July 9, 2007

Dear Chandrasekharji,

We are entering into a banned territory and a tabooo one.

I do not wish you to be stained by unnecessary discussions

and arguments.I am already ill-reputed. Let me do the saying

part., and You will remain clean thus.

Lets desist from commenting on such subjects.

Jainism is a branch of Hinduism just like Buddhism is.,

and has come later . Its the branch of the same Tree-

Hinduism.

Period.

Matter closed.

No more comments, otherwise brothers of the same fold

would start fighting and the others would enjoy.

regards,

Bhaskar.

, Chandrashekhar

<chandrashekhar46 wrote:

>

> Dear Prafulla,

>

> That may be so and yet Garga that is referred to in Jyotish was

> certainly not Jain. I do not think many think of Lord Krishna as a Jain

> Tirthankar. Lord Krishna explains his various rupas in Bhagavad Geeta

> but there does not appear to be any reference o his being one.

>

> Of course this is not a place to begin theological discussion. Neither

> do I claim to be an expert in this subject.

>

> Chandrashekhar.

>

> Prafulla Gang wrote:

> >

> > Dear Chandrasekhar ji

> >

> > Jain religion is as old as vedas are. There are explicit reference of

> > Jain Tirthankars (first three one) in Vedas.

> >

> > Lord Mahaveera was 24th Jain Tirthankars (last one until now) and as

> > per Jain Shashtras, Ravan and then Lord Krishna will be next

> > Tirthnakrs in next yuga.

> >

> > regards / Prafulla

> >

> > <%40>, Chandrashekhar

> > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Prafulla,

> > >

> > > Garga referred to in jyotish was not a jain muni, as he predates

> > Mahavira.

> > >

> > > Chandrashekhar.

> > >

> > > Prafulla Gang wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Chandrersekhar ji and Pradeep ji,

> > > >

> > > > Many thanks for refrence. Since, i do not have Deva keralam handy

> > with

> > > > me right now - I am not in position to quote specific shloka. But

> > over

> > > > the periods, I do not know - if anyone has doubted the

relevance of

> > > > Chandra kala nadi.

> > > >

> > > > Well, a small reference on garga - I recently heard that, many

> > > > scholars have linked him to Jain astrology (just because Garga was

> > > > Jain Saint). No - jainism does not have its explored Jyotish for

> > natal

> > > > readings) - though the references are there for constellations and

> > > > spcific significance in its literature.

> > > >

> > > > regards / Prafulla Gang

> > > > http://www.prafulla.net <http://www.prafulla.net>

> > <http://www.prafulla.net <http://www.prafulla.net>>

> > > >

> > > > " Men who never get carried away should be. "

> > > > ************************************************

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > chandrashekhar46@

> > > > <chandrashekhar46%40.co.uk>

> > > > > Sun, 08 Jul 2007 00:45:08 +0530

> > > > >

> > <%40>

> > > > > Re: Why Navamsa Chart is so

> > > > important?Quarter/Half

> > > > > aspects

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Pradeep,

> > > > >

> > > > > I do not know whether you have read Chandrakalanadi Sanskrit

> > shlokas,

> > > > > but the reference to transit identical with the amshas of the

> > > > > navamshesha of a bhava lord is clearly given therein. So

Prafulla is

> > > > > right.

> > > > >

> > > > > For the record, Garga was not considered sage like but was a

> > sage well

> > > > > respected by even Parashara himself.

> > > > >

> > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > >

> > > > > vijayadas_pradeep wrote:

> > > > >>

> > > > >> Dear Prafulla ji

> > > > >>

> > > > >> If you may note,there were couple of cases similar to what you

> > > > >> talk,where Chandrashsekhar ji feels those as aspects in varga

> > > > >> chakras.Those cases are clealry explained in

Dashadhayayi.Moreover

> > > > >> Chandrashekhar ji had different opinion on kemadruma and

> > > > >> chandranavmshaka rashi.

> > > > >>

> > > > >> Those cases too were explined not onlyin dashadhayayi but by

> > sagelike

> > > > >> figures,Garga,Jeevasharma and sruthakeerthi.Those were not

english

> > > > >> translations as you have given from Devakeralam.But in Sanskrit

> > with

> > > > >> clear reeference to rashi.

> > > > >>

> > > > >> Thus ,the basic principle is amshas and amshakas roots back to

> > > > >> rashis.Within a Rashi we have amshas of other rashis.For

the same

> > > > >> reason amshas and rashis are lorded by same planet.

> > > > >>

> > > > >> So what you are saying have to read in Rashi chart.Transits can

> > only

> > > > >> be seen w.r to Rashi chart.How do you find navamsha

> > rashi.Whether you

> > > > >> see it from 3.2 degre sector or from a full navamshaka

> > rashi,they are

> > > > >> both pointing to Rashi chakra.Thus for transits there is no

> > amiguity

> > > > >> at all.You can ask any Jyotishi.

> > > > >>

> > > > >> Regds

> > > > >> Pradeep

> > > > >>

> > <%40>

> > > > <%40>

> > > > >> <%40>, Prafulla Gang

<jyotish@>

> > > > >> wrote:

> > > > >>>

> > > > >>> Dear Pradeep,

> > > > >>>

> > > > >>> many thanks for your pointer.

> > > > >>>

> > > > >>> Well, kalyan Varma must have hinted at partial aspect - while

> > > > >> referring to D chart aspect. let me search for reference in

> > Saravali

> > > > >> and also search for Shri Rohini Ranjan's opinion (which

certainly

> > > > >> carries more weight than my layman's opinion ) and revert back.

> > > > >>>

> > > > >>> I quote another reference:

> > > > >>> Satyacharya:

> > > > >>> " " As mercury and venus are in kendra (i.e. angular rashis)

in the

> > > > >> navamsa chakra from each other, the native possess Vahanas

> > > > >> (conveyances). "

> > > > >>>

> > > > >>> There are huge references in Deva Keralam - on use of D9

chart in

> > > > >> transit analysis as well natal analysis - where aspects are

> > referred

> > > > >> and navamsa chakras are referred.

> > > > >>>

> > > > >>> BPHS in current version - may not be conclusive astrology

> > document;

> > > > >> as many equally respectable sages - have referred the use of D

> > charts

> > > > >> and aspects therein.

> > > > >>>

> > > > >>> regards / Prafulla Gang

> > > > >>> http://www.prafulla.net <http://www.prafulla.net>

> > <http://www.prafulla.net <http://www.prafulla.net>>

> > > > <http://www.prafulla.net <http://www.prafulla.net>

> > <http://www.prafulla.net <http://www.prafulla.net>>>

> > > > >>>

> > > > >>> " Men who never get carried away should be. "

> > > > >>> ************************************************

> > > > >>>

> > > > >>>>

> > > > >>>> vijayadas_pradeep@

> > > > >>>> Fri, 06 Jul 2007 22:04:44 -0000

> > > > >>>>

> > <%40>

> > > > <%40>

> > > > >> <%40>

> > > > >>>> Re: Why Navamsa Chart is so important?

> > > > >> Quarter/Half

> > > > >>>> aspects

> > > > >>>>

> > > > >>>> Dear Prafulla ji

> > > > >>>>

> > > > >>>> The mentioned aspects are clearly for placement in

Rashis.Please

> > > > >>>> check Saravali again.Also in another chapter Kalyan Varma

clearly

> > > > >>>> mentions about every planet having ,quarter aspect,half

aspect

> > > > >>>> etc,apart from full aspect.Thus it is pretty clear that

these are

> > > > >> non-

> > > > >>>> full aspects in rashi chart.

> > > > >>>>

> > > > >>>> Shri Ranjan did raise this question before and

Chandrashekhar ji

> > > > >> too

> > > > >>>> had given similr explanations.

> > > > >>>>

> > > > >>>> Regds

> > > > >>>> Pradeep

> > > > >>>>

> > <%40>

> > > > <%40>

> > > > >> <%40>, Prafulla Gang

<jyotish@>

> > > > >>>> wrote:

> > > > >>>>>

> > > > >>>>> Dear Pradeep,

> > > > >>>>>

> > > > >>>>> Another important issue - In D9 charts reference -

kalyan Varma

> > > > >> has

> > > > >>>> given hints for results for Sun aspecting venus; or mercury

> > > > >> aspecting

> > > > >>>> venus. Since they can never " aspect " in Rashi Kundli - the

> > obvious

> > > > >>>> reference was to Navamsa " chart " .

> > > > >>>>>

> > > > >>>>> I do not think, kalyan varma can be treated at par with

current

> > > > >> age

> > > > >>>> scholars !!

> > > > >>>>>

> > > > >>>>> regards / Prafulla Gang

> > > > >>>>> http://www.prafulla.net <http://www.prafulla.net>

> > <http://www.prafulla.net <http://www.prafulla.net>>

> > > > <http://www.prafulla.net <http://www.prafulla.net>

> > <http://www.prafulla.net <http://www.prafulla.net>>>

> > > > >>>>>

> > > > >>>>> " Men who never get carried away should be. "

> > > > >>>>> ************************************************

> > > > >>>>>

> > > > >>>>>>

> > > > >>>>>> jyotish@

> > > > >>>>>> Thu, 5 Jul 2007 20:23:15 -0800

> > > > >>>>>>

> > <%40>

> > > > <%40>

> > > > >> <%40>

> > > > >>>>>> Re: Why Navamsa Chart is so

important?

> > > > >>>>>>

> > > > >>>>>> Dear Sreenadh ji

> > > > >>>>>>

> > > > >>>>>> Well - who knows the truth? - Should the person making

comment,

> > > > >> be

> > > > >>>>>> construed to be as truth seeker - until they prove with the

> > > > >>>> application

> > > > >>>>>> of the principles on the charts ( both ways - firstly

the wrong

> > > > >>>>>> application of others; and secondly how to read in correct

> > way).

> > > > >>>>>> Theorists without predictive support - has little

relevance in

> > > > >>>> jyotish.

> > > > >>>>>> But yes - if you can justify your statements by case

studies -

> > > > >>>> then at

> > > > >>>>>> least, I will hear with open mind.

> > > > >>>>>>

> > > > >>>>>> Understandably, I have been quoted to be " blind " to

> > > > >> commentaries -

> > > > >>>> but my

> > > > >>>>>> submission is that - give me one reason to accept the views

> > > > >>>> of " less read

> > > > >>>>>> scholars " than to " well read scholars like Late Santhanam /

> > Shri

> > > > >>>> KN Rao /

> > > > >>>>>> Shri Sanjay rath / many others " . and More so - as I do

> > > > >>>> not " pretend " to

> > > > >>>>>> know the sanskrit and do not " waste " my time on " shloka

> > > > >> business "

> > > > >>>> with my

> > > > >>>>>> " incomplete knowledge " . So I am happy to be following

better

> > > > >>>> quality

> > > > >>>>>> commentaries - who are expalining with the case studies.

> > > > >>>>>>

> > > > >>>>>> Of course - each one makes his choice.

> > > > >>>>>>

> > > > >>>>>> regards / Prafulla Gang

> > > > >>>>>> http://www.prafulla.net <http://www.prafulla.net>

> > <http://www.prafulla.net <http://www.prafulla.net>>

> > > > <http://www.prafulla.net <http://www.prafulla.net>

> > <http://www.prafulla.net <http://www.prafulla.net>>>

> > > > >>>>>>

> > > > >>>>>> " Men who never get carried away should be. "

> > > > >>>>>> ************************************************

> > > > >>>>>>

> > > > >>>>>>>

> > > > >>>>>>> sreesog@

> > > > >>>>>>> Thu, 05 Jul 2007 07:00:31 -0000

> > > > >>>>>>>

> > <%40>

> > > > <%40>

> > > > >> <%40>

> > > > >>>>>>> Re: Why Navamsa Chart is so

important?

> > > > >>>>>>>

> > > > >>>>>>> Dear Prafulla ji,

> > > > >>>>>>> * Even if those things are not there in ancient texts

every

> > > > >> one

> > > > >>>> is

> > > > >>>>>>> free to make or follow there own choice - yes, there

is every

> > > > >>>> chance

> > > > >>>>>>> that even such new methods might give true results - your

> > > > >>>> argument is

> > > > >>>>>>> right.

> > > > >>>>>>> * As far Sanskrit is concerned: Yes, it is your choice

- when

> > > > >>>> you

> > > > >>>>>>> are blind to read and understand Sanskrit your self, and

> > > > >>>> understand

> > > > >>>>>>> what is there and what not, of course you have to follow

> > > > >> someone

> > > > >>>> who

> > > > >>>>>>> says they see - you are right in that as well.

> > > > >>>>>>> Love,

> > > > >>>>>>> Sreenadh

> > > > >>>>>>>

> > <%40>

> > > > <%40>

> > > > >> <%40>, Prafulla Gang

<jyotish@>

> > > > >>>>>>> wrote:

> > > > >>>>>>>>

> > > > >>>>>>>> Well Sreenadh ji - at times, these issues become

choice or

> > > > >>>>>>> prejudices in our own form of reading model. Had there not

> > been

> > > > >>>> any

> > > > >>>>>>> substance in interpreting D9 charts - lot many

stalwarts must

> > > > >> not

> > > > >>>>>>> have explored it - and I presume - many of them know

better

> > > > >>>>>>> sanskrit / jyotish (rather both) than all of us on the

forum

> > > > >>>>>>> collectively. So if at all - anyone wish to contest the

> > > > >>>>>>> interpretation - then many of those stalwarts are the

people -

> > > > >>>> must

> > > > >>>>>>> be debated with. On the forum, where not many great

sanskrit

> > > > >>>>>>> scholars / jyotish researchers - the arguments may not

> > have any

> > > > >>>>>>> relevance.

> > > > >>>>>>>>

> > > > >>>>>>>> regards / Prafulla Gang

> > > > >>>>>>>> http://www.prafulla.net <http://www.prafulla.net>

> > <http://www.prafulla.net <http://www.prafulla.net>>

> > > > <http://www.prafulla.net <http://www.prafulla.net>

> > <http://www.prafulla.net <http://www.prafulla.net>>>

> > > > >>>>>>>>

> > > > >>>>>>>> " The right to be heard does not automatically include the

> > > > >> right

> > > > >>>> to

> > > > >>>>>>> be taken seriously. "

> > > > >>>>>>>> ************************************************

> > > > >>>>>>>>

> > > > >>>>>>>>>

> > > > >>>>>>>>> sreesog@

> > > > >>>>>>>>> Tue, 03 Jul 2007 13:56:36 -0000

> > > > >>>>>>>>>

> > <%40>

> > > > <%40>

> > > > >> <%40>

> > > > >>>>>>>>> Re: Why Navamsa Chart is so

> > important?

> > > > >>>>>>>>>

> > > > >>>>>>>>> Dear Prafulla ji,

> > > > >>>>>>>>> * No ancient text ask us to read Navamsha (not

chart) " just

> > > > >>>> like

> > > > >>>>>>> D1

> > > > >>>>>>>>> chart " ; nor they provide slokas for the same.

> > > > >>>>>>>>> * No ancient text provide as the results for " aspects of

> > > > >>>> planets

> > > > >>>>>>> in

> > > > >>>>>>>>> Navamasa "

> > > > >>>>>>>>> * Nor they give us the results to be predicted when

planets

> > > > >>>> are

> > > > >>>>>>>>> placed " x house with reference to navamsa lagna "

> > > > >>>>>>>>>

> > > > >>>>>>>>> I hope we are trying to study astrology as taught by the

> > > > >>>> sages;

> > > > >>>>>>> If

> > > > >>>>>>>>> not I don't have anything to say.

> > > > >>>>>>>>>

> > > > >>>>>>>>> Love,

> > > > >>>>>>>>> Sreenadh

> > > > >>>>>>>>>

> > <%40>

> > > > <%40>

> > > > >> <%40>, Prafulla Gang

<jyotish@>

> > > > >>>>>>>>> wrote:

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>

> > > > >>>>>>>>>> Dear Sreenadh ji

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>

> > > > >>>>>>>>>> I have also observed many jyotish stalwarts using

navamsa

> > > > >>>> chart

> > > > >>>>>>>>> (along with other D charts). Now how to assess D9

charts -

> > > > >>>> can be

> > > > >>>>>>>>> perspective. But - as most authors say - just like

D1 chart.

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>

> > > > >>>>>>>>>> I request members to share their experience.

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>

> > > > >>>>>>>>>> regards / Prafulla Gang

> > > > >>>>>>>>>> http://www.prafulla.net <http://www.prafulla.net>

> > <http://www.prafulla.net <http://www.prafulla.net>>

> > > > <http://www.prafulla.net <http://www.prafulla.net>

> > <http://www.prafulla.net <http://www.prafulla.net>>>

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>

> > > > >>>>>>>>>> " The right to be heard does not automatically

include the

> > > > >>>> right

> > > > >>>>>>> to

> > > > >>>>>>>>> be taken seriously. "

> > > > >>>>>>>>>> ************************************************

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>> sreesog@

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>> Tue, 03 Jul 2007 07:56:49 -0000

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>

> > <%40>

> > > > <%40>

> > > > >> <%40>

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>> Re: Why Navamsa Chart is so

> > > > >> important?

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>> Dear Krishna ji,

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>> ==>

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> I too to the view that Navamsa chart is

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> as important as Rasi chart.

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>> <==

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>> * There is not Navamsa " chart " , but only Navamsa.

Navamsa

> > > > >>>> chart

> > > > >>>>>>>>> is

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>> not as important as Rasi chart and it can never be,

> > because

> > > > >>>> it

> > > > >>>>>>> is

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>> only an amsa. But yes, it is more important than other

> > > > >> amsas

> > > > >>>> due

> > > > >>>>>>>>> to

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>> the prior said reasons.

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>> ==>

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> - Why strength of a planet is Navamsa determines the

> > > > >> overall

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> strength of a planet?

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>> <==

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>> * Because the quality of earth determines the

strength of

> > > > >>>> the

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>> plant. This is applicable to all amsas as per their

> > > > >>>> importance.

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>> ==>

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> - Why it is allowed to consider aspects in

Navamsa chart

> > > > >>>> like

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> aspects in a Rasi chart?

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>> <==

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>> * No, it is not allowed to consider aspects in

Navamsa.

> > > > >>>> (There

> > > > >>>>>>>>> is

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>> no navamsa 'chart'.)

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>> ==>

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> - Why sambandha of planets in Navamsa chart can be

> > treated

> > > > >>>> as

> > > > >>>>>>> if

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> the planets have a sambandha in Rasi chart?

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>> <==

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>> * No, when planets have sambandha in Navamsa, it only

> > > > >> means

> > > > >>>>>>> that.

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>> When they have sombandha in Rasi, it only means that.

> > It is

> > > > >>>>>>> wrong

> > > > >>>>>>>>> to

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>> mix the two.

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>> ==>

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> - Why yogas should be looked at in navamsa chart

as well?

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>> <==

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>> * No, Yogas should not be looked in Navamsa

'chart'. But

> > > > >> yes

> > > > >>>>>>>>> yoga in

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>> Navamsa (not navamsa 'chart') can be taken yoga.

> > Because it

> > > > >>>> is

> > > > >>>>>>> the

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>> same principles as used in Rasi that are used to

predict

> > > > >> the

> > > > >>>>>>>>> result

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>> in Amsas as well - But Aspect(Drishti) and houses

are not

> > > > >>>>>>>>> applicable

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>> to amsas. Both Aspect(Drishti) and Houses should be

> > > > >>>> considered

> > > > >>>>>>> in

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>> Rasi chart itself. Any reference in ancient texts

about

> > > > >>>> aspect

> > > > >>>>>>> or

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>> houses essentially mean that they are referring to

Rasi

> > > > >>>> chart.

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>> Love,

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>> Sreenadh

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>

> > <%40>

> > > > <%40>

> > > > >> <%40>, Krishnamurthy

> > > > >> Seetharama

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>> <krishna_1998@> wrote:

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> Dear Kolachina ji,

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> It was interesting to read your comments on

importance of

> > > > >>>> the

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> Navamsa chart. I too to the view that

Navamsa

> > > > >>>> chart

> > > > >>>>>>> is

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> as important as Rasi chart. This is based on my

> > experience

> > > > >>>> so

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> far reading charts. However, I have still not

understood

> > > > >>>> what

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> are the fundamental reasons for a varga chart

being so

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> important.

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> - Why strength of a planet is Navamsa determines the

> > > > >> overall

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> strength of a planet?

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> - Why it is allowed to consider aspects in

Navamsa chart

> > > > >>>> like

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> aspects in a Rasi chart?

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> - Why sambandha of planets in Navamsa chart can be

> > treated

> > > > >>>> as

> > > > >>>>>>> if

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> the planets have a sambandha in Rasi chart?

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> - Why yogas should be looked at in navamsa chart

as well?

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> By looking at the kind of importance given to Navamsa

> > > > >>>> chart, it

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> appears that the Rasi chart and Navamsa chart

make up two

> > > > >>>> equal

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> halves representing the native.

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> I have no doubts about the importance of Navamsa

Chart.

> > > > >>>> What I

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> would like to know is why Navamsa gains such an

> > > > >> importance?

> > > > >>>>>>> What

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> are the fundamental reasons? After all it is one

of many

> > > > >>>> varga

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> charts!

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> Regards,

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> Krishna

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> --- Satya Sai Kolachina <skolachi@> wrote:

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Dear Sri Pradeep and Sri Chandrasekhar,

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> I have been following this thread on karakamsa

and both

> > > > >> of

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> your

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> contributions.

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> I whole-heartedly appreciate both of you for your

> > > > >> valuable

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> inputs

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> you are providing to the astrological community.

I would

> > > > >>>> like

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> to

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> share my opinion (through my own experience).

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Considering Karakamsa from either Rasi or

Navamsa chart

> > > > >>>> alone

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> most

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> probably leads to erroneous results, as I found

both the

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> approaches

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> working. I see the point Pradeep is making as very

> > > > >>>> valuable;

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> at the

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> same time I am not against using Navamsa chart as

> > > > >> separate

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> chart (of

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> course without losing the context of the Rasi

chart),

> > > > >> since

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> any of

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> the varga charts will not give independent results

> > if the

> > > > >>>> Rasi

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> chart

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> is ignored, as they themselves do not exist if

the Rasi

> > > > >>>> chart

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> doesn't exist. In fact Sri KN Rao also mentioned in

> > > > >> several

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> occassions in many of his articles and books

that yogas

> > > > >>>> viewed

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> in

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> the Rasi chart should also exist in the Navamsa

> > chart for

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> confirming

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> the results. If we do not see the Navamsa chart as a

> > > > >>>> separate

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> chart,

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> how can we see the yogas therein? For the purpose of

> > > > >>>> checking

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> some

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> yogas, Yuti and Veekshana (conjunction and

aspects) in

> > > > >> the

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> navamsa

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> chart make sense. This kind of yuti or veekshana

should

> > > > >> be

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> considered on a hypothetical level (as mutual

influence

> > > > >> at

> > > > >>>> the

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> amsha level) rather than being within a 30 deg.

span. of

> > > > >>>> Rasi.

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Take an example. If a planet is exlated or in

own house

> > > > >> in

> > > > >>>> the

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> rasi

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> chart and attains debilitation in the Navamsa

chart, it

> > > > >> is

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> condiered

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> as weakening of the actual strength shown in the

Rasi.

> > > > >> Why

> > > > >>>> is

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> this

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> considered so? It is considered like that

because, even

> > > > >>>> though

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> the

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> planet is within its own or exlated rasi, still its

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> positioning

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> within that particular sector (here navamsa) has

> > weakened

> > > > >>>> it;

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> means,

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> within its own rasi, this particular sector is the

> > > > >> weakest

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> point for

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> the planet within the strongest rasi; hence it

loses its

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> strength

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> considerably. This means there is a gradation of

> > > > >> strengths

> > > > >>>> for

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> the

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> planet from first navamsa to the last navamsa. The

> > > > >> navamsa

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> position

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> of a planet, thus indicates its refined

placement within

> > > > >>>> the

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> rasi.

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> In fact, Sri KN Rao also gives equal weightage

to both

> > > > >> the

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Rasi and

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Navamsa placement of a planet. If a planet is weak

> > in one

> > > > >>>> of

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> them

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> that means half the weightage is lost. We may

not give

> > > > >> the

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> same

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> level of treatment to other vargas as we give to

> > Navamsa;

> > > > >>>> but

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Navamsa is as important as the Rasi; to the

extent that

> > > > >> it

> > > > >>>> can

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> be

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> viewed as an independent chart (to confirm the

promise

> > > > >>>> given

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> by the

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> rasi chart).

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Without a confirmation of Navamsa chart, yogas

in the

> > > > >> rasi

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> chart

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> alone cannot and will not give expected results;

I have

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> observed

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> this phenomenon in several charts.

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> My own experience is; I have Chandra and Sukra

both in

> > > > >> the

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> 12th

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> house from Karakamsa in the Navamsa chart (not

in the

> > > > >> rasi

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> chart

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> with the rasi of karakamsa considering as the

karakamsa

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> lagna). I am

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> a deep devotee of Goddess Parvathi (represented by

> > > > >> Chandra)

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> and

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Goddess Lakshmi (represented by Sukra). If the

karakamsa

> > > > >> is

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> brought

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> to the Rasi chart, this cannot be explained. The

> > sequence

> > > > >>>> of

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> my life

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> events are better explained only if I consider

karakamsa

> > > > >>>> lagna

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> in

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> the navamsa chart; I am not discounting Pradeep's

> > opinion

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> here; I am

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> just saying that both approaches need to be

> > considered on

> > > > >>>> the

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> chart,

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> and a composite opinion be formed, as Sri KN Rao

always

> > > > >>>> says.

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> On the other hand, considering the specific rasi

in the

> > > > >>>> Rasi

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> chart

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> that holds karakamsa as the karakamsa lagna, my

Sukra is

> > > > >> in

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> the 4th

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> house indicating my possession of a nice beautiful

> > house,

> > > > >>>> and

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> education/skills in arts (in addition to other

> > > > >> traditional

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> education).

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> I am bringing this to both your knowledge only to

> > > > >> summarize

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> that

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> both your theories give results; but not

necessarily in

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> isolation of

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> the other.

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks for all your contribution.

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Best regards,

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Satya S Kolachina

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>

> > <%40>

> > > > <%40>

> > > > >> <%40>, Chandrashekhar

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dear Pradeep,

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I can not comment on views of either Sanjay or

K. N.

> > > > >> Rao.

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> First

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> there is

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> no difference in the meaning of Amsha and Amshaka

> > though

> > > > >>>> it

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> is

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> perhaps

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> being confused. It also needs to be remembered

that in

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> astrological

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> translations many a times words are to be

understood in

> > > > >>>> the

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> context that

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> they used. So we find Parashara mentioning

karakamsha

> > > > >> and

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Swamsha

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> in

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> alternate lines (almost) while indicating the

> > results of

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> occupation of

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Karakamsha by Sun etc. and many other places in

> > > > >> karakamsha

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> adhyaaya.

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> This does not mean he is speaking about two

different

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> parameters.

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> I

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> think if any Sanskrit scholar who is also well

> > versed in

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> interpretation

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> of astrological texts will confirm this

contention of

> > > > >> mine

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> if he

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> is

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> watching this discussion.

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> If you want my personal opinion, I think that the

> > > > >> results

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> indicated on

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> the basis of Karakamsha without reference to the

> > > > >> potential

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> promised by

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> the rasi chart and the strength derived by the

> > grahas in

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> rasi

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> chart,

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> through the Navamsha chart, are not likely to

> > > > >>>> materialize. I

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> hope

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> this

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> opinion of mine does not create a big storm in the

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> discussion on

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> the

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> list. But this is my personal opinion, for

whatever it

> > > > >> is

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> worth.

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Take care,

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Chandrashekhar.

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> vijayadas_pradeep wrote:

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dear Chandrashekhar ji and Respected members

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Shri Sanjay Rath clearly says ,Amshaka is

pointing to

> > > > >> the

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Rashi

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> in

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> which a graha is having amsha.He also

says,Karakamsha

> > > > >> has

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> one

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> meaning ,while Karakamsha KA has another meaning.

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Chandrashekhar jis view is Amshaka is not

pointing to

> > > > >> the

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Rashi

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> in

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> which a graha is having amsha.

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Now Chandraekhar jis view is prudent as there

are some

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> shlokas

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> which

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> shri Rath somehow has overlooked,contradicting his

> > view

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> point.

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I respect shri Rath ,but i have to tell

this.Sometimes

> > > > >>>> the

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> answer and

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> explanations given by shri Rath are not

preceded by

> > > > >>>> proper

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> === message truncated ===

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>

> > > > >>>>>>>>>

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July 10, 2007

Dear Chandrasekhar ji

Yes, It predates Krishna. I clarified earlier - that first three Jain

Tirthankar's names are explicitly mentioned in Vedas. Lord Krishna is

mentioned as likely 26th Tirthankar in coming yuga (24th was Lord

Mahaveera; 25th will be Ravana).

regards / Prafulla

, Chandrashekhar

<chandrashekhar46 wrote:

>

> Dear Yogesh,

>

> The question is that does it predate Lord Krishna, whose Kulguru was

> Garga, if my memory serves me right? I do not think that is so. Of

> course I have not studied that religion in depth.

>

> Chandrashekhar.

>

> Yogesh Shah wrote:

> >

> > Hi Chandrashekhar Ji,

> >

> > I agree that Garga predates Mahavira. Just one clarification, Jain

> > religion predates Mahavira.

> >

> > Thank You,

> >

> > Yogesh Shah

> >

> > Chandrashekhar <chandrashekhar46

> > <chandrashekhar46%40.co.uk>> wrote:

> > Dear Prafulla,

> >

> > Garga referred to in jyotish was not a jain muni, as he predates

Mahavira.

> >

> > Chandrashekhar.

> >

> > Prafulla Gang wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Chandrersekhar ji and Pradeep ji,

> > >

> > > Many thanks for refrence. Since, i do not have Deva keralam

handy with

> > > me right now - I am not in position to quote specific shloka.

But over

> > > the periods, I do not know - if anyone has doubted the relevance of

> > > Chandra kala nadi.

> > >

> > > Well, a small reference on garga - I recently heard that, many

> > > scholars have linked him to Jain astrology (just because Garga was

> > > Jain Saint). No - jainism does not have its explored Jyotish for

natal

> > > readings) - though the references are there for constellations and

> > > spcific significance in its literature.

> > >

> > > regards / Prafulla Gang

> > > http://www.prafulla.net <http://www.prafulla.net>

> > <http://www.prafulla.net <http://www.prafulla.net>>

> > >

> > > " Men who never get carried away should be. "

> > > ************************************************

> > >

> > > >

> > > > chandrashekhar46

> > <chandrashekhar46%40.co.uk>

> > > <chandrashekhar46%40.co.uk>

> > > > Sun, 08 Jul 2007 00:45:08 +0530

> > > >

> > <%40>

> > > > Re: Why Navamsa Chart is so

> > > important?Quarter/Half

> > > > aspects

> > > >

> > > > Dear Pradeep,

> > > >

> > > > I do not know whether you have read Chandrakalanadi Sanskrit

shlokas,

> > > > but the reference to transit identical with the amshas of the

> > > > navamshesha of a bhava lord is clearly given therein. So

Prafulla is

> > > > right.

> > > >

> > > > For the record, Garga was not considered sage like but was a

sage well

> > > > respected by even Parashara himself.

> > > >

> > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > >

> > > > vijayadas_pradeep wrote:

> > > >>

> > > >> Dear Prafulla ji

> > > >>

> > > >> If you may note,there were couple of cases similar to what you

> > > >> talk,where Chandrashsekhar ji feels those as aspects in varga

> > > >> chakras.Those cases are clealry explained in

Dashadhayayi.Moreover

> > > >> Chandrashekhar ji had different opinion on kemadruma and

> > > >> chandranavmshaka rashi.

> > > >>

> > > >> Those cases too were explined not onlyin dashadhayayi but by

sagelike

> > > >> figures,Garga,Jeevasharma and sruthakeerthi.Those were not

english

> > > >> translations as you have given from Devakeralam.But in

Sanskrit with

> > > >> clear reeference to rashi.

> > > >>

> > > >> Thus ,the basic principle is amshas and amshakas roots back to

> > > >> rashis.Within a Rashi we have amshas of other rashis.For the same

> > > >> reason amshas and rashis are lorded by same planet.

> > > >>

> > > >> So what you are saying have to read in Rashi chart.Transits

can only

> > > >> be seen w.r to Rashi chart.How do you find navamsha

rashi.Whether you

> > > >> see it from 3.2 degre sector or from a full navamshaka

rashi,they are

> > > >> both pointing to Rashi chakra.Thus for transits there is no

amiguity

> > > >> at all.You can ask any Jyotishi.

> > > >>

> > > >> Regds

> > > >> Pradeep

> > > >>

> > <%40>

> > > <%40>

> > > >> <%40>, Prafulla Gang <jyotish@>

> > > >> wrote:

> > > >>>

> > > >>> Dear Pradeep,

> > > >>>

> > > >>> many thanks for your pointer.

> > > >>>

> > > >>> Well, kalyan Varma must have hinted at partial aspect - while

> > > >> referring to D chart aspect. let me search for reference in

Saravali

> > > >> and also search for Shri Rohini Ranjan's opinion (which certainly

> > > >> carries more weight than my layman's opinion ) and revert back.

> > > >>>

> > > >>> I quote another reference:

> > > >>> Satyacharya:

> > > >>> " " As mercury and venus are in kendra (i.e. angular rashis)

in the

> > > >> navamsa chakra from each other, the native possess Vahanas

> > > >> (conveyances). "

> > > >>>

> > > >>> There are huge references in Deva Keralam - on use of D9

chart in

> > > >> transit analysis as well natal analysis - where aspects are

referred

> > > >> and navamsa chakras are referred.

> > > >>>

> > > >>> BPHS in current version - may not be conclusive astrology

document;

> > > >> as many equally respectable sages - have referred the use of

D charts

> > > >> and aspects therein.

> > > >>>

> > > >>> regards / Prafulla Gang

> > > >>> http://www.prafulla.net <http://www.prafulla.net>

> > <http://www.prafulla.net <http://www.prafulla.net>>

> > > <http://www.prafulla.net <http://www.prafulla.net>

> > <http://www.prafulla.net <http://www.prafulla.net>>>

> > > >>>

> > > >>> " Men who never get carried away should be. "

> > > >>> ************************************************

> > > >>>

> > > >>>>

> > > >>>> vijayadas_pradeep@

> > > >>>> Fri, 06 Jul 2007 22:04:44 -0000

> > > >>>>

> > <%40>

> > > <%40>

> > > >> <%40>

> > > >>>> Re: Why Navamsa Chart is so important?

> > > >> Quarter/Half

> > > >>>> aspects

> > > >>>>

> > > >>>> Dear Prafulla ji

> > > >>>>

> > > >>>> The mentioned aspects are clearly for placement in

Rashis.Please

> > > >>>> check Saravali again.Also in another chapter Kalyan Varma

clearly

> > > >>>> mentions about every planet having ,quarter aspect,half aspect

> > > >>>> etc,apart from full aspect.Thus it is pretty clear that

these are

> > > >> non-

> > > >>>> full aspects in rashi chart.

> > > >>>>

> > > >>>> Shri Ranjan did raise this question before and

Chandrashekhar ji

> > > >> too

> > > >>>> had given similr explanations.

> > > >>>>

> > > >>>> Regds

> > > >>>> Pradeep

> > > >>>>

> > <%40>

> > > <%40>

> > > >> <%40>, Prafulla Gang <jyotish@>

> > > >>>> wrote:

> > > >>>>>

> > > >>>>> Dear Pradeep,

> > > >>>>>

> > > >>>>> Another important issue - In D9 charts reference - kalyan

Varma

> > > >> has

> > > >>>> given hints for results for Sun aspecting venus; or mercury

> > > >> aspecting

> > > >>>> venus. Since they can never " aspect " in Rashi Kundli - the

obvious

> > > >>>> reference was to Navamsa " chart " .

> > > >>>>>

> > > >>>>> I do not think, kalyan varma can be treated at par with

current

> > > >> age

> > > >>>> scholars !!

> > > >>>>>

> > > >>>>> regards / Prafulla Gang

> > > >>>>> http://www.prafulla.net <http://www.prafulla.net>

> > <http://www.prafulla.net <http://www.prafulla.net>>

> > > <http://www.prafulla.net <http://www.prafulla.net>

> > <http://www.prafulla.net <http://www.prafulla.net>>>

> > > >>>>>

> > > >>>>> " Men who never get carried away should be. "

> > > >>>>> ************************************************

> > > >>>>>

> > > >>>>>>

> > > >>>>>> jyotish@

> > > >>>>>> Thu, 5 Jul 2007 20:23:15 -0800

> > > >>>>>>

> > <%40>

> > > <%40>

> > > >> <%40>

> > > >>>>>> Re: Why Navamsa Chart is so important?

> > > >>>>>>

> > > >>>>>> Dear Sreenadh ji

> > > >>>>>>

> > > >>>>>> Well - who knows the truth? - Should the person making

comment,

> > > >> be

> > > >>>>>> construed to be as truth seeker - until they prove with the

> > > >>>> application

> > > >>>>>> of the principles on the charts ( both ways - firstly the

wrong

> > > >>>>>> application of others; and secondly how to read in

correct way).

> > > >>>>>> Theorists without predictive support - has little

relevance in

> > > >>>> jyotish.

> > > >>>>>> But yes - if you can justify your statements by case

studies -

> > > >>>> then at

> > > >>>>>> least, I will hear with open mind.

> > > >>>>>>

> > > >>>>>> Understandably, I have been quoted to be " blind " to

> > > >> commentaries -

> > > >>>> but my

> > > >>>>>> submission is that - give me one reason to accept the views

> > > >>>> of " less read

> > > >>>>>> scholars " than to " well read scholars like Late Santhanam

/ Shri

> > > >>>> KN Rao /

> > > >>>>>> Shri Sanjay rath / many others " . and More so - as I do

> > > >>>> not " pretend " to

> > > >>>>>> know the sanskrit and do not " waste " my time on " shloka

> > > >> business "

> > > >>>> with my

> > > >>>>>> " incomplete knowledge " . So I am happy to be following better

> > > >>>> quality

> > > >>>>>> commentaries - who are expalining with the case studies.

> > > >>>>>>

> > > >>>>>> Of course - each one makes his choice.

> > > >>>>>>

> > > >>>>>> regards / Prafulla Gang

> > > >>>>>> http://www.prafulla.net <http://www.prafulla.net>

> > <http://www.prafulla.net <http://www.prafulla.net>>

> > > <http://www.prafulla.net <http://www.prafulla.net>

> > <http://www.prafulla.net <http://www.prafulla.net>>>

> > > >>>>>>

> > > >>>>>> " Men who never get carried away should be. "

> > > >>>>>> ************************************************

> > > >>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>> sreesog@

> > > >>>>>>> Thu, 05 Jul 2007 07:00:31 -0000

> > > >>>>>>>

> > <%40>

> > > <%40>

> > > >> <%40>

> > > >>>>>>> Re: Why Navamsa Chart is so

important?

> > > >>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>> Dear Prafulla ji,

> > > >>>>>>> * Even if those things are not there in ancient texts every

> > > >> one

> > > >>>> is

> > > >>>>>>> free to make or follow there own choice - yes, there is

every

> > > >>>> chance

> > > >>>>>>> that even such new methods might give true results - your

> > > >>>> argument is

> > > >>>>>>> right.

> > > >>>>>>> * As far Sanskrit is concerned: Yes, it is your choice -

when

> > > >>>> you

> > > >>>>>>> are blind to read and understand Sanskrit your self, and

> > > >>>> understand

> > > >>>>>>> what is there and what not, of course you have to follow

> > > >> someone

> > > >>>> who

> > > >>>>>>> says they see - you are right in that as well.

> > > >>>>>>> Love,

> > > >>>>>>> Sreenadh

> > > >>>>>>>

> > <%40>

> > > <%40>

> > > >> <%40>, Prafulla Gang <jyotish@>

> > > >>>>>>> wrote:

> > > >>>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>> Well Sreenadh ji - at times, these issues become choice or

> > > >>>>>>> prejudices in our own form of reading model. Had there

not been

> > > >>>> any

> > > >>>>>>> substance in interpreting D9 charts - lot many stalwarts

must

> > > >> not

> > > >>>>>>> have explored it - and I presume - many of them know better

> > > >>>>>>> sanskrit / jyotish (rather both) than all of us on the forum

> > > >>>>>>> collectively. So if at all - anyone wish to contest the

> > > >>>>>>> interpretation - then many of those stalwarts are the

people -

> > > >>>> must

> > > >>>>>>> be debated with. On the forum, where not many great sanskrit

> > > >>>>>>> scholars / jyotish researchers - the arguments may not

have any

> > > >>>>>>> relevance.

> > > >>>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>> regards / Prafulla Gang

> > > >>>>>>>> http://www.prafulla.net <http://www.prafulla.net>

> > <http://www.prafulla.net <http://www.prafulla.net>>

> > > <http://www.prafulla.net <http://www.prafulla.net>

> > <http://www.prafulla.net <http://www.prafulla.net>>>

> > > >>>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>> " The right to be heard does not automatically include the

> > > >> right

> > > >>>> to

> > > >>>>>>> be taken seriously. "

> > > >>>>>>>> ************************************************

> > > >>>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>>> sreesog@

> > > >>>>>>>>> Tue, 03 Jul 2007 13:56:36 -0000

> > > >>>>>>>>>

> > <%40>

> > > <%40>

> > > >> <%40>

> > > >>>>>>>>> Re: Why Navamsa Chart is so

important?

> > > >>>>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>>> Dear Prafulla ji,

> > > >>>>>>>>> * No ancient text ask us to read Navamsha (not chart)

" just

> > > >>>> like

> > > >>>>>>> D1

> > > >>>>>>>>> chart " ; nor they provide slokas for the same.

> > > >>>>>>>>> * No ancient text provide as the results for " aspects of

> > > >>>> planets

> > > >>>>>>> in

> > > >>>>>>>>> Navamasa "

> > > >>>>>>>>> * Nor they give us the results to be predicted when

planets

> > > >>>> are

> > > >>>>>>>>> placed " x house with reference to navamsa lagna "

> > > >>>>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>>> I hope we are trying to study astrology as taught by the

> > > >>>> sages;

> > > >>>>>>> If

> > > >>>>>>>>> not I don't have anything to say.

> > > >>>>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>>> Love,

> > > >>>>>>>>> Sreenadh

> > > >>>>>>>>>

> > <%40>

> > > <%40>

> > > >> <%40>, Prafulla Gang <jyotish@>

> > > >>>>>>>>> wrote:

> > > >>>>>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>>>> Dear Sreenadh ji

> > > >>>>>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>>>> I have also observed many jyotish stalwarts using navamsa

> > > >>>> chart

> > > >>>>>>>>> (along with other D charts). Now how to assess D9 charts -

> > > >>>> can be

> > > >>>>>>>>> perspective. But - as most authors say - just like D1

chart.

> > > >>>>>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>>>> I request members to share their experience.

> > > >>>>>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>>>> regards / Prafulla Gang

> > > >>>>>>>>>> http://www.prafulla.net <http://www.prafulla.net>

> > <http://www.prafulla.net <http://www.prafulla.net>>

> > > <http://www.prafulla.net <http://www.prafulla.net>

> > <http://www.prafulla.net <http://www.prafulla.net>>>

> > > >>>>>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>>>> " The right to be heard does not automatically include the

> > > >>>> right

> > > >>>>>>> to

> > > >>>>>>>>> be taken seriously. "

> > > >>>>>>>>>> ************************************************

> > > >>>>>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>>>>> sreesog@

> > > >>>>>>>>>>> Tue, 03 Jul 2007 07:56:49 -0000

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>

> > <%40>

> > > <%40>

> > > >> <%40>

> > > >>>>>>>>>>> Re: Why Navamsa Chart is so

> > > >> important?

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>>>>> Dear Krishna ji,

> > > >>>>>>>>>>> ==>

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> I too to the view that Navamsa chart is

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> as important as Rasi chart.

> > > >>>>>>>>>>> <==

> > > >>>>>>>>>>> * There is not Navamsa " chart " , but only Navamsa.

Navamsa

> > > >>>> chart

> > > >>>>>>>>> is

> > > >>>>>>>>>>> not as important as Rasi chart and it can never be,

because

> > > >>>> it

> > > >>>>>>> is

> > > >>>>>>>>>>> only an amsa. But yes, it is more important than other

> > > >> amsas

> > > >>>> due

> > > >>>>>>>>> to

> > > >>>>>>>>>>> the prior said reasons.

> > > >>>>>>>>>>> ==>

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> - Why strength of a planet is Navamsa determines the

> > > >> overall

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> strength of a planet?

> > > >>>>>>>>>>> <==

> > > >>>>>>>>>>> * Because the quality of earth determines the

strength of

> > > >>>> the

> > > >>>>>>>>>>> plant. This is applicable to all amsas as per their

> > > >>>> importance.

> > > >>>>>>>>>>> ==>

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> - Why it is allowed to consider aspects in Navamsa

chart

> > > >>>> like

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> aspects in a Rasi chart?

> > > >>>>>>>>>>> <==

> > > >>>>>>>>>>> * No, it is not allowed to consider aspects in Navamsa.

> > > >>>> (There

> > > >>>>>>>>> is

> > > >>>>>>>>>>> no navamsa 'chart'.)

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>>>>> ==>

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> - Why sambandha of planets in Navamsa chart can be

treated

> > > >>>> as

> > > >>>>>>> if

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> the planets have a sambandha in Rasi chart?

> > > >>>>>>>>>>> <==

> > > >>>>>>>>>>> * No, when planets have sambandha in Navamsa, it only

> > > >> means

> > > >>>>>>> that.

> > > >>>>>>>>>>> When they have sombandha in Rasi, it only means

that. It is

> > > >>>>>>> wrong

> > > >>>>>>>>> to

> > > >>>>>>>>>>> mix the two.

> > > >>>>>>>>>>> ==>

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> - Why yogas should be looked at in navamsa chart as

well?

> > > >>>>>>>>>>> <==

> > > >>>>>>>>>>> * No, Yogas should not be looked in Navamsa 'chart'. But

> > > >> yes

> > > >>>>>>>>> yoga in

> > > >>>>>>>>>>> Navamsa (not navamsa 'chart') can be taken yoga.

Because it

> > > >>>> is

> > > >>>>>>> the

> > > >>>>>>>>>>> same principles as used in Rasi that are used to predict

> > > >> the

> > > >>>>>>>>> result

> > > >>>>>>>>>>> in Amsas as well - But Aspect(Drishti) and houses

are not

> > > >>>>>>>>> applicable

> > > >>>>>>>>>>> to amsas. Both Aspect(Drishti) and Houses should be

> > > >>>> considered

> > > >>>>>>> in

> > > >>>>>>>>>>> Rasi chart itself. Any reference in ancient texts about

> > > >>>> aspect

> > > >>>>>>> or

> > > >>>>>>>>>>> houses essentially mean that they are referring to Rasi

> > > >>>> chart.

> > > >>>>>>>>>>> Love,

> > > >>>>>>>>>>> Sreenadh

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>

> > <%40>

> > > <%40>

> > > >> <%40>, Krishnamurthy

> > > >> Seetharama

> > > >>>>>>>>>>> <krishna_1998@> wrote:

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> Dear Kolachina ji,

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> It was interesting to read your comments on

importance of

> > > >>>> the

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> Navamsa chart. I too to the view that Navamsa

> > > >>>> chart

> > > >>>>>>> is

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> as important as Rasi chart. This is based on my

experience

> > > >>>> so

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> far reading charts. However, I have still not

understood

> > > >>>> what

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> are the fundamental reasons for a varga chart being so

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> important.

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> - Why strength of a planet is Navamsa determines the

> > > >> overall

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> strength of a planet?

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> - Why it is allowed to consider aspects in Navamsa

chart

> > > >>>> like

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> aspects in a Rasi chart?

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> - Why sambandha of planets in Navamsa chart can be

treated

> > > >>>> as

> > > >>>>>>> if

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> the planets have a sambandha in Rasi chart?

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> - Why yogas should be looked at in navamsa chart as

well?

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> By looking at the kind of importance given to Navamsa

> > > >>>> chart, it

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> appears that the Rasi chart and Navamsa chart make

up two

> > > >>>> equal

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> halves representing the native.

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> I have no doubts about the importance of Navamsa Chart.

> > > >>>> What I

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> would like to know is why Navamsa gains such an

> > > >> importance?

> > > >>>>>>> What

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> are the fundamental reasons? After all it is one of

many

> > > >>>> varga

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> charts!

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> Regards,

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> Krishna

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> --- Satya Sai Kolachina <skolachi@> wrote:

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Dear Sri Pradeep and Sri Chandrasekhar,

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> I have been following this thread on karakamsa and

both

> > > >> of

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> your

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> contributions.

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> I whole-heartedly appreciate both of you for your

> > > >> valuable

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> inputs

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> you are providing to the astrological community. I

would

> > > >>>> like

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> to

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> share my opinion (through my own experience).

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Considering Karakamsa from either Rasi or Navamsa

chart

> > > >>>> alone

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> most

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> probably leads to erroneous results, as I found

both the

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> approaches

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> working. I see the point Pradeep is making as very

> > > >>>> valuable;

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> at the

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> same time I am not against using Navamsa chart as

> > > >> separate

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> chart (of

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> course without losing the context of the Rasi chart),

> > > >> since

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> any of

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> the varga charts will not give independent results

if the

> > > >>>> Rasi

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> chart

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> is ignored, as they themselves do not exist if the

Rasi

> > > >>>> chart

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> doesn't exist. In fact Sri KN Rao also mentioned in

> > > >> several

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> occassions in many of his articles and books that

yogas

> > > >>>> viewed

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> in

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> the Rasi chart should also exist in the Navamsa

chart for

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> confirming

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> the results. If we do not see the Navamsa chart as a

> > > >>>> separate

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> chart,

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> how can we see the yogas therein? For the purpose of

> > > >>>> checking

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> some

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> yogas, Yuti and Veekshana (conjunction and aspects) in

> > > >> the

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> navamsa

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> chart make sense. This kind of yuti or veekshana

should

> > > >> be

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> considered on a hypothetical level (as mutual

influence

> > > >> at

> > > >>>> the

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> amsha level) rather than being within a 30 deg.

span. of

> > > >>>> Rasi.

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Take an example. If a planet is exlated or in own

house

> > > >> in

> > > >>>> the

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> rasi

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> chart and attains debilitation in the Navamsa

chart, it

> > > >> is

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> condiered

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> as weakening of the actual strength shown in the Rasi.

> > > >> Why

> > > >>>> is

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> this

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> considered so? It is considered like that because,

even

> > > >>>> though

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> the

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> planet is within its own or exlated rasi, still its

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> positioning

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> within that particular sector (here navamsa) has

weakened

> > > >>>> it;

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> means,

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> within its own rasi, this particular sector is the

> > > >> weakest

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> point for

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> the planet within the strongest rasi; hence it

loses its

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> strength

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> considerably. This means there is a gradation of

> > > >> strengths

> > > >>>> for

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> the

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> planet from first navamsa to the last navamsa. The

> > > >> navamsa

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> position

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> of a planet, thus indicates its refined placement

within

> > > >>>> the

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> rasi.

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> In fact, Sri KN Rao also gives equal weightage to both

> > > >> the

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Rasi and

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Navamsa placement of a planet. If a planet is weak

in one

> > > >>>> of

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> them

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> that means half the weightage is lost. We may not give

> > > >> the

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> same

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> level of treatment to other vargas as we give to

Navamsa;

> > > >>>> but

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Navamsa is as important as the Rasi; to the extent

that

> > > >> it

> > > >>>> can

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> be

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> viewed as an independent chart (to confirm the promise

> > > >>>> given

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> by the

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> rasi chart).

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Without a confirmation of Navamsa chart, yogas in the

> > > >> rasi

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> chart

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> alone cannot and will not give expected results; I

have

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> observed

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> this phenomenon in several charts.

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> My own experience is; I have Chandra and Sukra both in

> > > >> the

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> 12th

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> house from Karakamsa in the Navamsa chart (not in the

> > > >> rasi

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> chart

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> with the rasi of karakamsa considering as the

karakamsa

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> lagna). I am

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> a deep devotee of Goddess Parvathi (represented by

> > > >> Chandra)

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> and

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Goddess Lakshmi (represented by Sukra). If the

karakamsa

> > > >> is

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> brought

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> to the Rasi chart, this cannot be explained. The

sequence

> > > >>>> of

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> my life

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> events are better explained only if I consider

karakamsa

> > > >>>> lagna

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> in

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> the navamsa chart; I am not discounting Pradeep's

opinion

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> here; I am

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> just saying that both approaches need to be

considered on

> > > >>>> the

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> chart,

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> and a composite opinion be formed, as Sri KN Rao

always

> > > >>>> says.

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> On the other hand, considering the specific rasi

in the

> > > >>>> Rasi

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> chart

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> that holds karakamsa as the karakamsa lagna, my

Sukra is

> > > >> in

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> the 4th

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> house indicating my possession of a nice beautiful

house,

> > > >>>> and

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> education/skills in arts (in addition to other

> > > >> traditional

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> education).

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> I am bringing this to both your knowledge only to

> > > >> summarize

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> that

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> both your theories give results; but not

necessarily in

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> isolation of

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> the other.

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks for all your contribution.

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Best regards,

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Satya S Kolachina

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>

> > <%40>

> > > <%40>

> > > >> <%40>, Chandrashekhar

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dear Pradeep,

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I can not comment on views of either Sanjay or K. N.

> > > >> Rao.

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> First

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> there is

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> no difference in the meaning of Amsha and Amshaka

though

> > > >>>> it

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> is

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> perhaps

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> being confused. It also needs to be remembered

that in

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> astrological

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> translations many a times words are to be

understood in

> > > >>>> the

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> context that

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> they used. So we find Parashara mentioning karakamsha

> > > >> and

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Swamsha

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> in

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> alternate lines (almost) while indicating the

results of

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> occupation of

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Karakamsha by Sun etc. and many other places in

> > > >> karakamsha

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> adhyaaya.

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> This does not mean he is speaking about two different

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> parameters.

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> I

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> think if any Sanskrit scholar who is also well

versed in

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> interpretation

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> of astrological texts will confirm this contention of

> > > >> mine

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> if he

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> is

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> watching this discussion.

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> If you want my personal opinion, I think that the

> > > >> results

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> indicated on

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> the basis of Karakamsha without reference to the

> > > >> potential

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> promised by

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> the rasi chart and the strength derived by the

grahas in

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> rasi

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> chart,

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> through the Navamsha chart, are not likely to

> > > >>>> materialize. I

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> hope

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> this

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> opinion of mine does not create a big storm in the

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> discussion on

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> the

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> list. But this is my personal opinion, for

whatever it

> > > >> is

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> worth.

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Take care,

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Chandrashekhar.

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> vijayadas_pradeep wrote:

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dear Chandrashekhar ji and Respected members

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Shri Sanjay Rath clearly says ,Amshaka is

pointing to

> > > >> the

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Rashi

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> in

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> which a graha is having amsha.He also

says,Karakamsha

> > > >> has

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> one

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> meaning ,while Karakamsha KA has another meaning.

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Chandrashekhar jis view is Amshaka is not

pointing to

> > > >> the

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Rashi

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> in

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> which a graha is having amsha.

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Now Chandraekhar jis view is prudent as there

are some

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> shlokas

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> which

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> shri Rath somehow has overlooked,contradicting

his view

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> point.

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I respect shri Rath ,but i have to tell

this.Sometimes

> > > >>>> the

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> answer and

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> explanations given by shri Rath are not preceded by

> > > >>>> proper

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> === message truncated ===

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>>>

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July 10, 2007

Dear Pradeep ji

I presume that thread has reached at maturity stage, where all explanations will

be just repetition from either side.

So - my humble suggestion that we may have more meaningful discussion on it -

once we learn from you the predictive model on your interpretation of shloka

through case studies.

> 1)Can aspects be seen from navamsha arrangement? Does the rules allow

> that? No.I cannot see such from the usage of giants who lived 1000's

> of years ago.Even BPHS translator had the same view.

For the sake of clarifications:

I have produced few explanation of Late Santhanam ji, which explains the use of

aspects in Navamsa chart. and Late Santhanam was a BPHS translator.

regards / Prafulla

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Dear friends,

First of all, let me make it clear that I am not attempting to

prolonging this thread, as we all understood the opinions expressed

by various astrologers on this forum.

I am just trying to give you one of the most recent case studies

done by Sri KN Rao, on Musharraf and posted it just a few days ago.

In that article, he clearly used aspects and bhavas in the Dasamsa

chart, not only the navamsa chart. Interestd people may read that

article at www.journalofastrology.com site.

From my own experience and understanding the knowledge showered on

us by Sri KN Rao and and other similar great astrologers, I am

convinced to use Navamsa chart and other charts, however, in

conjunction with Rasi chart. Certainly the amsa charts do not exist

without the rasi chart.

Best regards,

Satya S Kolachina

, Prafulla Gang <jyotish

wrote:

>

> Dear Pradeep ji

>

> I presume that thread has reached at maturity stage, where all

explanations will be just repetition from either side.

>

> So - my humble suggestion that we may have more meaningful

discussion on it - once we learn from you the predictive model on

your interpretation of shloka through case studies.

>

> > 1)Can aspects be seen from navamsha arrangement? Does the rules

allow

> > that? No.I cannot see such from the usage of giants who lived

1000's

> > of years ago.Even BPHS translator had the same view.

>

> For the sake of clarifications:

> I have produced few explanation of Late Santhanam ji, which

explains the use of aspects in Navamsa chart. and Late Santhanam was

a BPHS translator.

>

> regards / Prafulla

> www.prafulla.net

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Shri Satya Sai ji,

Good observation and the best

reference till date.

I agree with almost all your views in

this and some previous mail too.

regards,

Bhaskar.

In , " Satya Sai Kolachina " <skolachi

wrote:

>

> Dear friends,

>

> First of all, let me make it clear that I am not attempting to

> prolonging this thread, as we all understood the opinions expressed

> by various astrologers on this forum.

>

> I am just trying to give you one of the most recent case studies

> done by Sri KN Rao, on Musharraf and posted it just a few days ago.

> In that article, he clearly used aspects and bhavas in the Dasamsa

> chart, not only the navamsa chart. Interestd people may read that

> article at www.journalofastrology.com site.

>

> From my own experience and understanding the knowledge showered on

> us by Sri KN Rao and and other similar great astrologers, I am

> convinced to use Navamsa chart and other charts, however, in

> conjunction with Rasi chart. Certainly the amsa charts do not exist

> without the rasi chart.

>

> Best regards,

>

> Satya S Kolachina

>

> , Prafulla Gang <jyotish@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Pradeep ji

> >

> > I presume that thread has reached at maturity stage, where all

> explanations will be just repetition from either side.

> >

> > So - my humble suggestion that we may have more meaningful

> discussion on it - once we learn from you the predictive model on

> your interpretation of shloka through case studies.

> >

> > > 1)Can aspects be seen from navamsha arrangement? Does the rules

> allow

> > > that? No.I cannot see such from the usage of giants who lived

> 1000's

> > > of years ago.Even BPHS translator had the same view.

> >

> > For the sake of clarifications:

> > I have produced few explanation of Late Santhanam ji, which

> explains the use of aspects in Navamsa chart. and Late Santhanam was

> a BPHS translator.

> >

> > regards / Prafulla

> > www.prafulla.net

> >

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July 10, 2007

Dear Satya ji

Thanks a lot for your views.As i have said before,i would agree with

all points in this mail save for ,navamsha chart in conjunction with

rashi chart.

I would prefer to say amshas in conjunction with Rashi

chart.Ofcourse this is my opinion and you have your own experience

and reasons to beleive otherwise.

I respect shri Raoji,but if we have doubts regarding his

explanations ,then we may raise it,without showing any disrespect.

I will take the Swamsha example - ''Meshadi rashi ge Swamshe'' -

Raoji is only the person i feel,who has translated Swamshe from a

totally different angle.

He took Swamshe as a group of all navamshas.But the succeeding

shlokas asks us to see 4th from Swamsha/Karakamsha ,in Swamsha,10th

from etc.

If sage had full chart in mind,then we do not know where to start

from and hence the interpretation is failing.You can seek

explanation with Shri Raoji or any others in this group regarding

this.

On the other hand Karaka grahas amsha will satisfy all the

conditions.This is very evident.

Similarly regarding aspects ,i have expressed my views.

Your views are respected and we are only seeking views from Raoji.On

the other hand Raoji has rightly identified,from where Karakamsha

has to be seen.

As you may see,i am not taking sides with anyone.As a student ,i am

just saying as it is seen.

Regds

Pradeep

, " Satya Sai Kolachina "

<skolachi wrote:

>

> Dear friends,

>

> First of all, let me make it clear that I am not attempting to

> prolonging this thread, as we all understood the opinions

expressed

> by various astrologers on this forum.

>

> I am just trying to give you one of the most recent case studies

> done by Sri KN Rao, on Musharraf and posted it just a few days

ago.

> In that article, he clearly used aspects and bhavas in the Dasamsa

> chart, not only the navamsa chart. Interestd people may read that

> article at www.journalofastrology.com site.

>

> From my own experience and understanding the knowledge showered on

> us by Sri KN Rao and and other similar great astrologers, I am

> convinced to use Navamsa chart and other charts, however, in

> conjunction with Rasi chart. Certainly the amsa charts do not

exist

> without the rasi chart.

>

> Best regards,

>

> Satya S Kolachina

>

> , Prafulla Gang <jyotish@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Pradeep ji

> >

> > I presume that thread has reached at maturity stage, where all

> explanations will be just repetition from either side.

> >

> > So - my humble suggestion that we may have more meaningful

> discussion on it - once we learn from you the predictive model on

> your interpretation of shloka through case studies.

> >

> > > 1)Can aspects be seen from navamsha arrangement? Does the

rules

> allow

> > > that? No.I cannot see such from the usage of giants who lived

> 1000's

> > > of years ago.Even BPHS translator had the same view.

> >

> > For the sake of clarifications:

> > I have produced few explanation of Late Santhanam ji, which

> explains the use of aspects in Navamsa chart. and Late Santhanam

was

> a BPHS translator.

> >

> > regards / Prafulla

> > www.prafulla.net

> >

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July 10, 2007

Dear Prafulla,

As I said, I am not an expert on this but it appears Vardhman Mahavira,

as I understand, was born around 599 b.c. Lord Krishna of Dwarka died

around 3102 B.C. and Ravana is from Dvapara yuga. So the order of

appearance does not seem to fit or the reference is to some other

Krishna and Ravana.

Chandrashekhar.

Prafulla Gang wrote:

>

> Dear Chandrasekhar ji

>

> Yes, It predates Krishna. I clarified earlier - that first three Jain

> Tirthankar's names are explicitly mentioned in Vedas. Lord Krishna is

> mentioned as likely 26th Tirthankar in coming yuga (24th was Lord

> Mahaveera; 25th will be Ravana).

>

> regards / Prafulla

>

> <%40>, Chandrashekhar

> <chandrashekhar46 wrote:

> >

> > Dear Yogesh,

> >

> > The question is that does it predate Lord Krishna, whose Kulguru was

> > Garga, if my memory serves me right? I do not think that is so. Of

> > course I have not studied that religion in depth.

> >

> > Chandrashekhar.

> >

> > Yogesh Shah wrote:

> > >

> > > Hi Chandrashekhar Ji,

> > >

> > > I agree that Garga predates Mahavira. Just one clarification, Jain

> > > religion predates Mahavira.

> > >

> > > Thank You,

> > >

> > > Yogesh Shah

> > >

> > > Chandrashekhar <chandrashekhar46

> > > <chandrashekhar46%40.co.uk>> wrote:

> > > Dear Prafulla,

> > >

> > > Garga referred to in jyotish was not a jain muni, as he predates

> Mahavira.

> > >

> > > Chandrashekhar.

> > >

> > > Prafulla Gang wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Chandrersekhar ji and Pradeep ji,

> > > >

> > > > Many thanks for refrence. Since, i do not have Deva keralam

> handy with

> > > > me right now - I am not in position to quote specific shloka.

> But over

> > > > the periods, I do not know - if anyone has doubted the relevance of

> > > > Chandra kala nadi.

> > > >

> > > > Well, a small reference on garga - I recently heard that, many

> > > > scholars have linked him to Jain astrology (just because Garga was

> > > > Jain Saint). No - jainism does not have its explored Jyotish for

> natal

> > > > readings) - though the references are there for constellations and

> > > > spcific significance in its literature.

> > > >

> > > > regards / Prafulla Gang

> > > > http://www.prafulla.net <http://www.prafulla.net>

> <http://www.prafulla.net <http://www.prafulla.net>>

> > > <http://www.prafulla.net <http://www.prafulla.net>

> <http://www.prafulla.net <http://www.prafulla.net>>>

> > > >

> > > > " Men who never get carried away should be. "

> > > > ************************************************

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > chandrashekhar46

> > > <chandrashekhar46%40.co.uk>

> > > > <chandrashekhar46%40.co.uk>

> > > > > Sun, 08 Jul 2007 00:45:08 +0530

> > > > >

> <%40>

> > > <%40>

> > > > > Re: Why Navamsa Chart is so

> > > > important?Quarter/Half

> > > > > aspects

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Pradeep,

> > > > >

> > > > > I do not know whether you have read Chandrakalanadi Sanskrit

> shlokas,

> > > > > but the reference to transit identical with the amshas of the

> > > > > navamshesha of a bhava lord is clearly given therein. So

> Prafulla is

> > > > > right.

> > > > >

> > > > > For the record, Garga was not considered sage like but was a

> sage well

> > > > > respected by even Parashara himself.

> > > > >

> > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > >

> > > > > vijayadas_pradeep wrote:

> > > > >>

> > > > >> Dear Prafulla ji

> > > > >>

> > > > >> If you may note,there were couple of cases similar to what you

> > > > >> talk,where Chandrashsekhar ji feels those as aspects in varga

> > > > >> chakras.Those cases are clealry explained in

> Dashadhayayi.Moreover

> > > > >> Chandrashekhar ji had different opinion on kemadruma and

> > > > >> chandranavmshaka rashi.

> > > > >>

> > > > >> Those cases too were explined not onlyin dashadhayayi but by

> sagelike

> > > > >> figures,Garga,Jeevasharma and sruthakeerthi.Those were not

> english

> > > > >> translations as you have given from Devakeralam.But in

> Sanskrit with

> > > > >> clear reeference to rashi.

> > > > >>

> > > > >> Thus ,the basic principle is amshas and amshakas roots back to

> > > > >> rashis.Within a Rashi we have amshas of other rashis.For the same

> > > > >> reason amshas and rashis are lorded by same planet.

> > > > >>

> > > > >> So what you are saying have to read in Rashi chart.Transits

> can only

> > > > >> be seen w.r to Rashi chart.How do you find navamsha

> rashi.Whether you

> > > > >> see it from 3.2 degre sector or from a full navamshaka

> rashi,they are

> > > > >> both pointing to Rashi chakra.Thus for transits there is no

> amiguity

> > > > >> at all.You can ask any Jyotishi.

> > > > >>

> > > > >> Regds

> > > > >> Pradeep

> > > > >>

> <%40>

> > > <%40>

> > > > <%40>

> > > > >> <%40>, Prafulla Gang <jyotish@>

> > > > >> wrote:

> > > > >>>

> > > > >>> Dear Pradeep,

> > > > >>>

> > > > >>> many thanks for your pointer.

> > > > >>>

> > > > >>> Well, kalyan Varma must have hinted at partial aspect - while

> > > > >> referring to D chart aspect. let me search for reference in

> Saravali

> > > > >> and also search for Shri Rohini Ranjan's opinion (which certainly

> > > > >> carries more weight than my layman's opinion ) and revert back.

> > > > >>>

> > > > >>> I quote another reference:

> > > > >>> Satyacharya:

> > > > >>> " " As mercury and venus are in kendra (i.e. angular rashis)

> in the

> > > > >> navamsa chakra from each other, the native possess Vahanas

> > > > >> (conveyances). "

> > > > >>>

> > > > >>> There are huge references in Deva Keralam - on use of D9

> chart in

> > > > >> transit analysis as well natal analysis - where aspects are

> referred

> > > > >> and navamsa chakras are referred.

> > > > >>>

> > > > >>> BPHS in current version - may not be conclusive astrology

> document;

> > > > >> as many equally respectable sages - have referred the use of

> D charts

> > > > >> and aspects therein.

> > > > >>>

> > > > >>> regards / Prafulla Gang

> > > > >>> http://www.prafulla.net <http://www.prafulla.net>

> <http://www.prafulla.net <http://www.prafulla.net>>

> > > <http://www.prafulla.net <http://www.prafulla.net>

> <http://www.prafulla.net <http://www.prafulla.net>>>

> > > > <http://www.prafulla.net <http://www.prafulla.net>

> <http://www.prafulla.net <http://www.prafulla.net>>

> > > <http://www.prafulla.net <http://www.prafulla.net>

> <http://www.prafulla.net <http://www.prafulla.net>>>>

> > > > >>>

> > > > >>> " Men who never get carried away should be. "

> > > > >>> ************************************************

> > > > >>>

> > > > >>>>

> > > > >>>> vijayadas_pradeep@

> > > > >>>> Fri, 06 Jul 2007 22:04:44 -0000

> > > > >>>>

> <%40>

> > > <%40>

> > > > <%40>

> > > > >> <%40>

> > > > >>>> Re: Why Navamsa Chart is so important?

> > > > >> Quarter/Half

> > > > >>>> aspects

> > > > >>>>

> > > > >>>> Dear Prafulla ji

> > > > >>>>

> > > > >>>> The mentioned aspects are clearly for placement in

> Rashis.Please

> > > > >>>> check Saravali again.Also in another chapter Kalyan Varma

> clearly

> > > > >>>> mentions about every planet having ,quarter aspect,half aspect

> > > > >>>> etc,apart from full aspect.Thus it is pretty clear that

> these are

> > > > >> non-

> > > > >>>> full aspects in rashi chart.

> > > > >>>>

> > > > >>>> Shri Ranjan did raise this question before and

> Chandrashekhar ji

> > > > >> too

> > > > >>>> had given similr explanations.

> > > > >>>>

> > > > >>>> Regds

> > > > >>>> Pradeep

> > > > >>>>

> <%40>

> > > <%40>

> > > > <%40>

> > > > >> <%40>, Prafulla Gang <jyotish@>

> > > > >>>> wrote:

> > > > >>>>>

> > > > >>>>> Dear Pradeep,

> > > > >>>>>

> > > > >>>>> Another important issue - In D9 charts reference - kalyan

> Varma

> > > > >> has

> > > > >>>> given hints for results for Sun aspecting venus; or mercury

> > > > >> aspecting

> > > > >>>> venus. Since they can never " aspect " in Rashi Kundli - the

> obvious

> > > > >>>> reference was to Navamsa " chart " .

> > > > >>>>>

> > > > >>>>> I do not think, kalyan varma can be treated at par with

> current

> > > > >> age

> > > > >>>> scholars !!

> > > > >>>>>

> > > > >>>>> regards / Prafulla Gang

> > > > >>>>> http://www.prafulla.net <http://www.prafulla.net>

> <http://www.prafulla.net <http://www.prafulla.net>>

> > > <http://www.prafulla.net <http://www.prafulla.net>

> <http://www.prafulla.net <http://www.prafulla.net>>>

> > > > <http://www.prafulla.net <http://www.prafulla.net>

> <http://www.prafulla.net <http://www.prafulla.net>>

> > > <http://www.prafulla.net <http://www.prafulla.net>

> <http://www.prafulla.net <http://www.prafulla.net>>>>

> > > > >>>>>

> > > > >>>>> " Men who never get carried away should be. "

> > > > >>>>> ************************************************

> > > > >>>>>

> > > > >>>>>>

> > > > >>>>>> jyotish@

> > > > >>>>>> Thu, 5 Jul 2007 20:23:15 -0800

> > > > >>>>>>

> <%40>

> > > <%40>

> > > > <%40>

> > > > >> <%40>

> > > > >>>>>> Re: Why Navamsa Chart is so important?

> > > > >>>>>>

> > > > >>>>>> Dear Sreenadh ji

> > > > >>>>>>

> > > > >>>>>> Well - who knows the truth? - Should the person making

> comment,

> > > > >> be

> > > > >>>>>> construed to be as truth seeker - until they prove with the

> > > > >>>> application

> > > > >>>>>> of the principles on the charts ( both ways - firstly the

> wrong

> > > > >>>>>> application of others; and secondly how to read in

> correct way).

> > > > >>>>>> Theorists without predictive support - has little

> relevance in

> > > > >>>> jyotish.

> > > > >>>>>> But yes - if you can justify your statements by case

> studies -

> > > > >>>> then at

> > > > >>>>>> least, I will hear with open mind.

> > > > >>>>>>

> > > > >>>>>> Understandably, I have been quoted to be " blind " to

> > > > >> commentaries -

> > > > >>>> but my

> > > > >>>>>> submission is that - give me one reason to accept the views

> > > > >>>> of " less read

> > > > >>>>>> scholars " than to " well read scholars like Late Santhanam

> / Shri

> > > > >>>> KN Rao /

> > > > >>>>>> Shri Sanjay rath / many others " . and More so - as I do

> > > > >>>> not " pretend " to

> > > > >>>>>> know the sanskrit and do not " waste " my time on " shloka

> > > > >> business "

> > > > >>>> with my

> > > > >>>>>> " incomplete knowledge " . So I am happy to be following better

> > > > >>>> quality

> > > > >>>>>> commentaries - who are expalining with the case studies.

> > > > >>>>>>

> > > > >>>>>> Of course - each one makes his choice.

> > > > >>>>>>

> > > > >>>>>> regards / Prafulla Gang

> > > > >>>>>> http://www.prafulla.net <http://www.prafulla.net>

> <http://www.prafulla.net <http://www.prafulla.net>>

> > > <http://www.prafulla.net <http://www.prafulla.net>

> <http://www.prafulla.net <http://www.prafulla.net>>>

> > > > <http://www.prafulla.net <http://www.prafulla.net>

> <http://www.prafulla.net <http://www.prafulla.net>>

> > > <http://www.prafulla.net <http://www.prafulla.net>

> <http://www.prafulla.net <http://www.prafulla.net>>>>

> > > > >>>>>>

> > > > >>>>>> " Men who never get carried away should be. "

> > > > >>>>>> ************************************************

> > > > >>>>>>

> > > > >>>>>>>

> > > > >>>>>>> sreesog@

> > > > >>>>>>> Thu, 05 Jul 2007 07:00:31 -0000

> > > > >>>>>>>

> <%40>

> > > <%40>

> > > > <%40>

> > > > >> <%40>

> > > > >>>>>>> Re: Why Navamsa Chart is so

> important?

> > > > >>>>>>>

> > > > >>>>>>> Dear Prafulla ji,

> > > > >>>>>>> * Even if those things are not there in ancient texts every

> > > > >> one

> > > > >>>> is

> > > > >>>>>>> free to make or follow there own choice - yes, there is

> every

> > > > >>>> chance

> > > > >>>>>>> that even such new methods might give true results - your

> > > > >>>> argument is

> > > > >>>>>>> right.

> > > > >>>>>>> * As far Sanskrit is concerned: Yes, it is your choice -

> when

> > > > >>>> you

> > > > >>>>>>> are blind to read and understand Sanskrit your self, and

> > > > >>>> understand

> > > > >>>>>>> what is there and what not, of course you have to follow

> > > > >> someone

> > > > >>>> who

> > > > >>>>>>> says they see - you are right in that as well.

> > > > >>>>>>> Love,

> > > > >>>>>>> Sreenadh

> > > > >>>>>>>

> <%40>

> > > <%40>

> > > > <%40>

> > > > >> <%40>, Prafulla Gang <jyotish@>

> > > > >>>>>>> wrote:

> > > > >>>>>>>>

> > > > >>>>>>>> Well Sreenadh ji - at times, these issues become choice or

> > > > >>>>>>> prejudices in our own form of reading model. Had there

> not been

> > > > >>>> any

> > > > >>>>>>> substance in interpreting D9 charts - lot many stalwarts

> must

> > > > >> not

> > > > >>>>>>> have explored it - and I presume - many of them know better

> > > > >>>>>>> sanskrit / jyotish (rather both) than all of us on the forum

> > > > >>>>>>> collectively. So if at all - anyone wish to contest the

> > > > >>>>>>> interpretation - then many of those stalwarts are the

> people -

> > > > >>>> must

> > > > >>>>>>> be debated with. On the forum, where not many great sanskrit

> > > > >>>>>>> scholars / jyotish researchers - the arguments may not

> have any

> > > > >>>>>>> relevance.

> > > > >>>>>>>>

> > > > >>>>>>>> regards / Prafulla Gang

> > > > >>>>>>>> http://www.prafulla.net <http://www.prafulla.net>

> <http://www.prafulla.net <http://www.prafulla.net>>

> > > <http://www.prafulla.net <http://www.prafulla.net>

> <http://www.prafulla.net <http://www.prafulla.net>>>

> > > > <http://www.prafulla.net <http://www.prafulla.net>

> <http://www.prafulla.net <http://www.prafulla.net>>

> > > <http://www.prafulla.net <http://www.prafulla.net>

> <http://www.prafulla.net <http://www.prafulla.net>>>>

> > > > >>>>>>>>

> > > > >>>>>>>> " The right to be heard does not automatically include the

> > > > >> right

> > > > >>>> to

> > > > >>>>>>> be taken seriously. "

> > > > >>>>>>>> ************************************************

> > > > >>>>>>>>

> > > > >>>>>>>>>

> > > > >>>>>>>>> sreesog@

> > > > >>>>>>>>> Tue, 03 Jul 2007 13:56:36 -0000

> > > > >>>>>>>>>

> <%40>

> > > <%40>

> > > > <%40>

> > > > >> <%40>

> > > > >>>>>>>>> Re: Why Navamsa Chart is so

> important?

> > > > >>>>>>>>>

> > > > >>>>>>>>> Dear Prafulla ji,

> > > > >>>>>>>>> * No ancient text ask us to read Navamsha (not chart)

> " just

> > > > >>>> like

> > > > >>>>>>> D1

> > > > >>>>>>>>> chart " ; nor they provide slokas for the same.

> > > > >>>>>>>>> * No ancient text provide as the results for " aspects of

> > > > >>>> planets

> > > > >>>>>>> in

> > > > >>>>>>>>> Navamasa "

> > > > >>>>>>>>> * Nor they give us the results to be predicted when

> planets

> > > > >>>> are

> > > > >>>>>>>>> placed " x house with reference to navamsa lagna "

> > > > >>>>>>>>>

> > > > >>>>>>>>> I hope we are trying to study astrology as taught by the

> > > > >>>> sages;

> > > > >>>>>>> If

> > > > >>>>>>>>> not I don't have anything to say.

> > > > >>>>>>>>>

> > > > >>>>>>>>> Love,

> > > > >>>>>>>>> Sreenadh

> > > > >>>>>>>>>

> <%40>

> > > <%40>

> > > > <%40>

> > > > >> <%40>, Prafulla Gang <jyotish@>

> > > > >>>>>>>>> wrote:

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>

> > > > >>>>>>>>>> Dear Sreenadh ji

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>

> > > > >>>>>>>>>> I have also observed many jyotish stalwarts using navamsa

> > > > >>>> chart

> > > > >>>>>>>>> (along with other D charts). Now how to assess D9 charts -

> > > > >>>> can be

> > > > >>>>>>>>> perspective. But - as most authors say - just like D1

> chart.

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>

> > > > >>>>>>>>>> I request members to share their experience.

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>

> > > > >>>>>>>>>> regards / Prafulla Gang

> > > > >>>>>>>>>> http://www.prafulla.net <http://www.prafulla.net>

> <http://www.prafulla.net <http://www.prafulla.net>>

> > > <http://www.prafulla.net <http://www.prafulla.net>

> <http://www.prafulla.net <http://www.prafulla.net>>>

> > > > <http://www.prafulla.net <http://www.prafulla.net>

> <http://www.prafulla.net <http://www.prafulla.net>>

> > > <http://www.prafulla.net <http://www.prafulla.net>

> <http://www.prafulla.net <http://www.prafulla.net>>>>

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>

> > > > >>>>>>>>>> " The right to be heard does not automatically include the

> > > > >>>> right

> > > > >>>>>>> to

> > > > >>>>>>>>> be taken seriously. "

> > > > >>>>>>>>>> ************************************************

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>> sreesog@

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>> Tue, 03 Jul 2007 07:56:49 -0000

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>

> <%40>

> > > <%40>

> > > > <%40>

> > > > >> <%40>

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>> Re: Why Navamsa Chart is so

> > > > >> important?

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>> Dear Krishna ji,

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>> ==>

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> I too to the view that Navamsa chart is

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> as important as Rasi chart.

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>> <==

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>> * There is not Navamsa " chart " , but only Navamsa.

> Navamsa

> > > > >>>> chart

> > > > >>>>>>>>> is

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>> not as important as Rasi chart and it can never be,

> because

> > > > >>>> it

> > > > >>>>>>> is

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>> only an amsa. But yes, it is more important than other

> > > > >> amsas

> > > > >>>> due

> > > > >>>>>>>>> to

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>> the prior said reasons.

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>> ==>

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> - Why strength of a planet is Navamsa determines the

> > > > >> overall

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> strength of a planet?

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>> <==

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>> * Because the quality of earth determines the

> strength of

> > > > >>>> the

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>> plant. This is applicable to all amsas as per their

> > > > >>>> importance.

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>> ==>

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> - Why it is allowed to consider aspects in Navamsa

> chart

> > > > >>>> like

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> aspects in a Rasi chart?

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>> <==

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>> * No, it is not allowed to consider aspects in Navamsa.

> > > > >>>> (There

> > > > >>>>>>>>> is

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>> no navamsa 'chart'.)

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>> ==>

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> - Why sambandha of planets in Navamsa chart can be

> treated

> > > > >>>> as

> > > > >>>>>>> if

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> the planets have a sambandha in Rasi chart?

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>> <==

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>> * No, when planets have sambandha in Navamsa, it only

> > > > >> means

> > > > >>>>>>> that.

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>> When they have sombandha in Rasi, it only means

> that. It is

> > > > >>>>>>> wrong

> > > > >>>>>>>>> to

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>> mix the two.

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>> ==>

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> - Why yogas should be looked at in navamsa chart as

> well?

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>> <==

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>> * No, Yogas should not be looked in Navamsa 'chart'. But

> > > > >> yes

> > > > >>>>>>>>> yoga in

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>> Navamsa (not navamsa 'chart') can be taken yoga.

> Because it

> > > > >>>> is

> > > > >>>>>>> the

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>> same principles as used in Rasi that are used to predict

> > > > >> the

> > > > >>>>>>>>> result

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>> in Amsas as well - But Aspect(Drishti) and houses

> are not

> > > > >>>>>>>>> applicable

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>> to amsas. Both Aspect(Drishti) and Houses should be

> > > > >>>> considered

> > > > >>>>>>> in

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>> Rasi chart itself. Any reference in ancient texts about

> > > > >>>> aspect

> > > > >>>>>>> or

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>> houses essentially mean that they are referring to Rasi

> > > > >>>> chart.

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>> Love,

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>> Sreenadh

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>

> <%40>

> > > <%40>

> > > > <%40>

> > > > >> <%40>, Krishnamurthy

> > > > >> Seetharama

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>> <krishna_1998@> wrote:

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> Dear Kolachina ji,

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> It was interesting to read your comments on

> importance of

> > > > >>>> the

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> Navamsa chart. I too to the view that Navamsa

> > > > >>>> chart

> > > > >>>>>>> is

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> as important as Rasi chart. This is based on my

> experience

> > > > >>>> so

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> far reading charts. However, I have still not

> understood

> > > > >>>> what

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> are the fundamental reasons for a varga chart being so

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> important.

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> - Why strength of a planet is Navamsa determines the

> > > > >> overall

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> strength of a planet?

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> - Why it is allowed to consider aspects in Navamsa

> chart

> > > > >>>> like

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> aspects in a Rasi chart?

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> - Why sambandha of planets in Navamsa chart can be

> treated

> > > > >>>> as

> > > > >>>>>>> if

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> the planets have a sambandha in Rasi chart?

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> - Why yogas should be looked at in navamsa chart as

> well?

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> By looking at the kind of importance given to Navamsa

> > > > >>>> chart, it

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> appears that the Rasi chart and Navamsa chart make

> up two

> > > > >>>> equal

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> halves representing the native.

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> I have no doubts about the importance of Navamsa Chart.

> > > > >>>> What I

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> would like to know is why Navamsa gains such an

> > > > >> importance?

> > > > >>>>>>> What

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> are the fundamental reasons? After all it is one of

> many

> > > > >>>> varga

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> charts!

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> Regards,

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> Krishna

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> --- Satya Sai Kolachina <skolachi@> wrote:

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Dear Sri Pradeep and Sri Chandrasekhar,

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> I have been following this thread on karakamsa and

> both

> > > > >> of

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> your

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> contributions.

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> I whole-heartedly appreciate both of you for your

> > > > >> valuable

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> inputs

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> you are providing to the astrological community. I

> would

> > > > >>>> like

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> to

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> share my opinion (through my own experience).

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Considering Karakamsa from either Rasi or Navamsa

> chart

> > > > >>>> alone

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> most

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> probably leads to erroneous results, as I found

> both the

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> approaches

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> working. I see the point Pradeep is making as very

> > > > >>>> valuable;

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> at the

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> same time I am not against using Navamsa chart as

> > > > >> separate

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> chart (of

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> course without losing the context of the Rasi chart),

> > > > >> since

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> any of

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> the varga charts will not give independent results

> if the

> > > > >>>> Rasi

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> chart

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> is ignored, as they themselves do not exist if the

> Rasi

> > > > >>>> chart

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> doesn't exist. In fact Sri KN Rao also mentioned in

> > > > >> several

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> occassions in many of his articles and books that

> yogas

> > > > >>>> viewed

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> in

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> the Rasi chart should also exist in the Navamsa

> chart for

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> confirming

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> the results. If we do not see the Navamsa chart as a

> > > > >>>> separate

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> chart,

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> how can we see the yogas therein? For the purpose of

> > > > >>>> checking

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> some

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> yogas, Yuti and Veekshana (conjunction and aspects) in

> > > > >> the

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> navamsa

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> chart make sense. This kind of yuti or veekshana

> should

> > > > >> be

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> considered on a hypothetical level (as mutual

> influence

> > > > >> at

> > > > >>>> the

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> amsha level) rather than being within a 30 deg.

> span. of

> > > > >>>> Rasi.

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Take an example. If a planet is exlated or in own

> house

> > > > >> in

> > > > >>>> the

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> rasi

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> chart and attains debilitation in the Navamsa

> chart, it

> > > > >> is

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> condiered

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> as weakening of the actual strength shown in the Rasi.

> > > > >> Why

> > > > >>>> is

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> this

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> considered so? It is considered like that because,

> even

> > > > >>>> though

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> the

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> planet is within its own or exlated rasi, still its

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> positioning

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> within that particular sector (here navamsa) has

> weakened

> > > > >>>> it;

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> means,

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> within its own rasi, this particular sector is the

> > > > >> weakest

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> point for

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> the planet within the strongest rasi; hence it

> loses its

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> strength

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> considerably. This means there is a gradation of

> > > > >> strengths

> > > > >>>> for

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> the

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> planet from first navamsa to the last navamsa. The

> > > > >> navamsa

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> position

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> of a planet, thus indicates its refined placement

> within

> > > > >>>> the

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> rasi.

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> In fact, Sri KN Rao also gives equal weightage to both

> > > > >> the

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Rasi and

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Navamsa placement of a planet. If a planet is weak

> in one

> > > > >>>> of

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> them

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> that means half the weightage is lost. We may not give

> > > > >> the

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> same

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> level of treatment to other vargas as we give to

> Navamsa;

> > > > >>>> but

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Navamsa is as important as the Rasi; to the extent

> that

> > > > >> it

> > > > >>>> can

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> be

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> viewed as an independent chart (to confirm the promise

> > > > >>>> given

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> by the

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> rasi chart).

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Without a confirmation of Navamsa chart, yogas in the

> > > > >> rasi

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> chart

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> alone cannot and will not give expected results; I

> have

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> observed

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> this phenomenon in several charts.

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> My own experience is; I have Chandra and Sukra both in

> > > > >> the

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> 12th

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> house from Karakamsa in the Navamsa chart (not in the

> > > > >> rasi

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> chart

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> with the rasi of karakamsa considering as the

> karakamsa

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> lagna). I am

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> a deep devotee of Goddess Parvathi (represented by

> > > > >> Chandra)

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> and

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Goddess Lakshmi (represented by Sukra). If the

> karakamsa

> > > > >> is

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> brought

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> to the Rasi chart, this cannot be explained. The

> sequence

> > > > >>>> of

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> my life

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> events are better explained only if I consider

> karakamsa

> > > > >>>> lagna

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> in

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> the navamsa chart; I am not discounting Pradeep's

> opinion

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> here; I am

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> just saying that both approaches need to be

> considered on

> > > > >>>> the

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> chart,

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> and a composite opinion be formed, as Sri KN Rao

> always

> > > > >>>> says.

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> On the other hand, considering the specific rasi

> in the

> > > > >>>> Rasi

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> chart

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> that holds karakamsa as the karakamsa lagna, my

> Sukra is

> > > > >> in

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> the 4th

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> house indicating my possession of a nice beautiful

> house,

> > > > >>>> and

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> education/skills in arts (in addition to other

> > > > >> traditional

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> education).

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> I am bringing this to both your knowledge only to

> > > > >> summarize

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> that

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> both your theories give results; but not

> necessarily in

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> isolation of

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> the other.

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks for all your contribution.

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Best regards,

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Satya S Kolachina

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>

> <%40>

> > > <%40>

> > > > <%40>

> > > > >> <%40>, Chandrashekhar

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dear Pradeep,

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I can not comment on views of either Sanjay or K. N.

> > > > >> Rao.

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> First

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> there is

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> no difference in the meaning of Amsha and Amshaka

> though

> > > > >>>> it

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> is

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> perhaps

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> being confused. It also needs to be remembered

> that in

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> astrological

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> translations many a times words are to be

> understood in

> > > > >>>> the

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> context that

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> they used. So we find Parashara mentioning karakamsha

> > > > >> and

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Swamsha

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> in

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> alternate lines (almost) while indicating the

> results of

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> occupation of

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Karakamsha by Sun etc. and many other places in

> > > > >> karakamsha

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> adhyaaya.

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> This does not mean he is speaking about two different

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> parameters.

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> I

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> think if any Sanskrit scholar who is also well

> versed in

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> interpretation

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> of astrological texts will confirm this contention of

> > > > >> mine

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> if he

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> is

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> watching this discussion.

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> If you want my personal opinion, I think that the

> > > > >> results

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> indicated on

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> the basis of Karakamsha without reference to the

> > > > >> potential

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> promised by

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> the rasi chart and the strength derived by the

> grahas in

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> rasi

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> chart,

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> through the Navamsha chart, are not likely to

> > > > >>>> materialize. I

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> hope

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> this

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> opinion of mine does not create a big storm in the

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> discussion on

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> the

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> list. But this is my personal opinion, for

> whatever it

> > > > >> is

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> worth.

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Take care,

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Chandrashekhar.

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> vijayadas_pradeep wrote:

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dear Chandrashekhar ji and Respected members

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Shri Sanjay Rath clearly says ,Amshaka is

> pointing to

> > > > >> the

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Rashi

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> in

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> which a graha is having amsha.He also

> says,Karakamsha

> > > > >> has

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> one

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> meaning ,while Karakamsha KA has another meaning.

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Chandrashekhar jis view is Amshaka is not

> pointing to

> > > > >> the

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Rashi

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> in

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> which a graha is having amsha.

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Now Chandraekhar jis view is prudent as there

> are some

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> shlokas

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> which

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> shri Rath somehow has overlooked,contradicting

> his view

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> point.

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I respect shri Rath ,but i have to tell

> this.Sometimes

> > > > >>>> the

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> answer and

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> explanations given by shri Rath are not preceded by

> > > > >>>> proper

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> === message truncated ===

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>

> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>

> > > > >>>>>>>>>

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