Guest guest Posted July 5, 2007 Report Share Posted July 5, 2007 Importance of Navamsha in prediction If one talks about BPHS , if one talks about Karakamsha ie.Jamini. then we may talk of others too. 1) Saravali -Kalyan Verma in Chapter 50 has given 109 verses on results of each rising Navamsha. 2) Nashta Jataka - related to Nadi Granthas has given notes on 108 Navamshas.,indicating place of birth. 3) Yavan Jataka - Chapter 31 -there are 109 verses on navamsha occupied by Moon. 4) Nakshatra Chintamani - describes traits of a person based on Moons 108 Navamsha positions. 5) deva keralam 6) Dhruva Nadi 7) Vidya Madhaviyam 8) Prasna Marg 9) Hora sara all above books deal with Navamshas. Vraddha Yavana Jatak (150 BC), Meena Raja, Sphuji Dhwaja, Varahamihir,Pruthuyasas, Kalyan Verma, Gunakar, Bala bhadra,Mansagari, all these authors have written about Navamsha totalling about 3000 verses. No astrologer in South India would touch a Rashi Chart without the Navamsha Chart.And most of the cream astrologers have been born in South India. Navamsha chart is the backbone (Meru danda) and the Rasi chart is the body (deha) only. Navamsha Chart is fruit and Rasi chart, the tree. Navamsha chart is Sonography report and Rasi chart is the Xray only. Namasha chart is antar/bhukti and the Rasi chart is Maha Dasa. Navamsha chart is sookshma Vibhaga and rasi chart, sthoola vibhaga. All the above authors and the books written by them are too importnt to be ignored. The Navamsha chart is the most important chart along with the Bhava Chalit chart, for any traditional astrologer, if he wsihes to attain acumen in predicting. I remember my own case,2 times in my family at a certain point of transit in my Navamsha chart, by Saturn, as per the rules mentioned by the venerated, the events have materialised., I had to bear witness a death and a serious near death case of my own father. In fact I get scared to apply the rules now in the Navamsha chart.They are so perfect. The Kaivalya, or Moksha-Final liberation, is it not mentioned that Ketu has to be placed 12th in the Navamsha from the karakamsha Lagna ? Please correct me, if I am wrong. best wishes, Bhaskar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 5, 2007 Report Share Posted July 5, 2007 There have been times, attempts made by modern day astrologers to override the BPHS, and create confusions. because we do not understand how to interpret the divisions or the divisional charts, in no way undermines, their results or effects or their importance. First of all let us bring back Parashar Maharaj to his Original venerated status. Parashar Rishi was the illustrious Father of Veda Vyas. Parashar Maharaj's preceptor was Shaunuk Munii, and Shanuka was taught by Narada, son of Lord Brahma. (You can still find the cave of Parashar Muni when you visit Badrinath and Kedarnath ,and also the Shila,on which he used to be seated while instructing). Maitreya Rishi was Parashars ardent disciple. What we read in the BPHS are the dialogues between the Guru and the disciple. By the way, those of you, who have read Srimad Bhagavad Purana, must have read in the first 2-3 Skandhas itself, the name of Maitreya Rishi. When lord Krishna was about to leave his Incarnation on earth, he had instructed Maitreya to instruct Vidurji, the deepest secrets and knowledge of evolution and the cause of same. but this story is not with reference to the subject here. In the dialogues between the Guru and Shishya,in Chapter 6- Shodashvarga-adhyaya Shloka 2 - " Vargan Shodash yanah Bhrama Lokapitamaha tanaham sampravyakshami maitreya. Shruyatamiti . ............................... translated - Lord Bhrama has described 16 kinds of Vargas (Divisions) for each sign .Listen to those............................................ Remember these divisions have been given by Lord Bhrama. Therefore next time, we shall treat BPHS and the author, and the contents therein, with more respect, and never doubt the dictums given to us through descendency. What we cannot understand, is our own shortcoming. It is the perfect instructions given to us descendants, who are imperfect. regards, Bhaskar. , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: > > Importance of Navamsha in prediction > > If one talks about BPHS , > if one talks about Karakamsha ie.Jamini. > then we may talk of others too. > > 1) Saravali -Kalyan Verma in Chapter 50 > has given 109 verses on results of each rising Navamsha. > > 2) Nashta Jataka - related to Nadi Granthas has given > notes on 108 Navamshas.,indicating place of birth. > > 3) Yavan Jataka - Chapter 31 -there are > 109 verses on navamsha occupied by Moon. > > 4) Nakshatra Chintamani - describes traits of a person > based on Moons 108 Navamsha positions. > > 5) deva keralam > > 6) Dhruva Nadi > > 7) Vidya Madhaviyam > > 8) Prasna Marg > > 9) Hora sara > > all above books deal with Navamshas. > > Vraddha Yavana Jatak (150 BC), Meena Raja, > Sphuji Dhwaja, Varahamihir,Pruthuyasas, Kalyan > Verma, Gunakar, Bala bhadra,Mansagari, all > these authors have written about Navamsha > totalling about 3000 verses. > > No astrologer in South India would touch a Rashi > Chart without the Navamsha Chart.And most of the cream > astrologers have been born in South India. > > Navamsha chart is the backbone (Meru danda) and > the Rasi chart is the body (deha) only. > Navamsha Chart is fruit and Rasi chart, the tree. > Navamsha chart is Sonography report and Rasi > chart is the Xray only. > Namasha chart is antar/bhukti and the Rasi chart > is Maha Dasa. > Navamsha chart is sookshma Vibhaga and rasi > chart, sthoola vibhaga. > > All the above authors and the books written by them > are too importnt to be ignored. The Navamsha chart > is the most important chart along with the Bhava > Chalit chart, for any traditional astrologer, if he > wsihes to attain acumen in predicting. > > I remember my own case,2 times in my family at > a certain point of transit in my Navamsha chart, by > Saturn, as per the rules mentioned by the venerated, > the events have materialised., I had to bear > witness a death and a serious near death case > of my own father. In fact I get scared to apply > the rules now in the Navamsha chart.They are so > perfect. > > The Kaivalya, or Moksha-Final > liberation, is it not mentioned that > Ketu has to be placed 12th in the > Navamsha from the karakamsha > Lagna ? > > Please correct me, if I am wrong. > > best wishes, > Bhaskar. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 6, 2007 Report Share Posted July 6, 2007 Dear Bhaskar ji Welcome back. As you were away,perhaps would have missed some of the mails.Nobody has and Nobody can ever deny amshas or in specific navamsha.As you have said they are defined by sage as handed over by Brahma. This is not at all the topic of discussion.LAGNA/KSHETHRA/RASHI/BHAVA/BHAVANA are synonyms-thus bhavas can only be seen from rashis of 30 degree span. Navamsha or anyother Varga is not a division of Rashi chart,but division of one SIGN. For finding the 16 divisions of your natal lagna - we do not need the rashi chart.We just need the Rashi in which your lagna is placed and the degree.All 16 divisions can be found from this single Rashi.So is the case with any planet.Thus it means though your Lagna is in Simha Rashi,it is relating to other Rashis in 16 different ways. For transit results too we just need the amsha.Ketu has to be placed in the 12th from Karakamsha Rashi.You can read on meshadi Rashige swamshe/krakamshe or paparkshe etc regarding karakamsha phala adhyaya. Thanks Pradeep , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: > > Importance of Navamsha in prediction > > If one talks about BPHS , > if one talks about Karakamsha ie.Jamini. > then we may talk of others too. > > 1) Saravali -Kalyan Verma in Chapter 50 > has given 109 verses on results of each rising Navamsha. > > 2) Nashta Jataka - related to Nadi Granthas has given > notes on 108 Navamshas.,indicating place of birth. > > 3) Yavan Jataka - Chapter 31 -there are > 109 verses on navamsha occupied by Moon. > > 4) Nakshatra Chintamani - describes traits of a person > based on Moons 108 Navamsha positions. > > 5) deva keralam > > 6) Dhruva Nadi > > 7) Vidya Madhaviyam > > 8) Prasna Marg > > 9) Hora sara > > all above books deal with Navamshas. > > Vraddha Yavana Jatak (150 BC), Meena Raja, > Sphuji Dhwaja, Varahamihir,Pruthuyasas, Kalyan > Verma, Gunakar, Bala bhadra,Mansagari, all > these authors have written about Navamsha > totalling about 3000 verses. > > No astrologer in South India would touch a Rashi > Chart without the Navamsha Chart.And most of the cream > astrologers have been born in South India. > > Navamsha chart is the backbone (Meru danda) and > the Rasi chart is the body (deha) only. > Navamsha Chart is fruit and Rasi chart, the tree. > Navamsha chart is Sonography report and Rasi > chart is the Xray only. > Namasha chart is antar/bhukti and the Rasi chart > is Maha Dasa. > Navamsha chart is sookshma Vibhaga and rasi > chart, sthoola vibhaga. > > All the above authors and the books written by them > are too importnt to be ignored. The Navamsha chart > is the most important chart along with the Bhava > Chalit chart, for any traditional astrologer, if he > wsihes to attain acumen in predicting. > > I remember my own case,2 times in my family at > a certain point of transit in my Navamsha chart, by > Saturn, as per the rules mentioned by the venerated, > the events have materialised., I had to bear > witness a death and a serious near death case > of my own father. In fact I get scared to apply > the rules now in the Navamsha chart.They are so > perfect. > > The Kaivalya, or Moksha-Final > liberation, is it not mentioned that > Ketu has to be placed 12th in the > Navamsha from the karakamsha > Lagna ? > > Please correct me, if I am wrong. > > best wishes, > Bhaskar. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 6, 2007 Report Share Posted July 6, 2007 Dear Pradeepji, Thanks for the warmth shown. As rightly pointed out, I have not read all the mails pertaining to the thread. Of course one need not even make a Raashi chart to know the divisions. And just the degrees and the sign are enough to know the Navamsha signs, which the slightly advanced students calculate on fingertips, without use of paper or pen. I personally do not see the Raashi chart, (More into the Bhava Chalit, see raashi chart only for signs in which planet is placed, and aspects) but just note the Planet -sign, star and the lordships. rest will of course be formed in the mind. Because in night times, if I am studying a horoscope, then do not like to draw a chart, so developed this habit. In fact the Charts-all of them are just graphical modes of representations, for our convenience.Whether one makes them or not,but the interpretation should be the same. Lagna and Raashi may or may not be synonymous. Kshetra may at times be representing more than a sign ie.zone or quarter. Bhavan may be used for both Raashi, Bhava. Bhava at times may differ than the Raashi. The span of Bhava is 30 degrees,is okay if one goes by the traditional way exclusively. I just read parts of the chapter you cited, at 2.30 am last night. I appreciate the discussions going between you highly knowledgable people, and look forward to learning from the same. thanks once again,for the welcome. kind regards, Bhaskar. , " vijayadas_pradeep " <vijayadas_pradeep wrote: > > Dear Bhaskar ji > > Welcome back. > As you were away,perhaps would have missed some of the mails.Nobody > has and Nobody can ever deny amshas or in specific navamsha.As you > have said they are defined by sage as handed over by Brahma. > > This is not at all the topic of > discussion.LAGNA/KSHETHRA/RASHI/BHAVA/BHAVANA are synonyms-thus > bhavas can only be seen from rashis of 30 degree span. > > Navamsha or anyother Varga is not a division of Rashi chart,but > division of one SIGN. > > For finding the 16 divisions of your natal lagna - we do not need the > rashi chart.We just need the Rashi in which your lagna is placed and > the degree.All 16 divisions can be found from this single Rashi.So is > the case with any planet.Thus it means though your Lagna is in Simha > Rashi,it is relating to other Rashis in 16 different ways. > > For transit results too we just need the amsha.Ketu has to be placed > in the 12th from Karakamsha Rashi.You can read on meshadi Rashige > swamshe/krakamshe or paparkshe etc regarding karakamsha phala adhyaya. > > Thanks > Pradeep > > > > > , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@> > wrote: > > > > Importance of Navamsha in prediction > > > > If one talks about BPHS , > > if one talks about Karakamsha ie.Jamini. > > then we may talk of others too. > > > > 1) Saravali -Kalyan Verma in Chapter 50 > > has given 109 verses on results of each rising Navamsha. > > > > 2) Nashta Jataka - related to Nadi Granthas has given > > notes on 108 Navamshas.,indicating place of birth. > > > > 3) Yavan Jataka - Chapter 31 -there are > > 109 verses on navamsha occupied by Moon. > > > > 4) Nakshatra Chintamani - describes traits of a person > > based on Moons 108 Navamsha positions. > > > > 5) deva keralam > > > > 6) Dhruva Nadi > > > > 7) Vidya Madhaviyam > > > > 8) Prasna Marg > > > > 9) Hora sara > > > > all above books deal with Navamshas. > > > > Vraddha Yavana Jatak (150 BC), Meena Raja, > > Sphuji Dhwaja, Varahamihir,Pruthuyasas, Kalyan > > Verma, Gunakar, Bala bhadra,Mansagari, all > > these authors have written about Navamsha > > totalling about 3000 verses. > > > > No astrologer in South India would touch a Rashi > > Chart without the Navamsha Chart.And most of the cream > > astrologers have been born in South India. > > > > Navamsha chart is the backbone (Meru danda) and > > the Rasi chart is the body (deha) only. > > Navamsha Chart is fruit and Rasi chart, the tree. > > Navamsha chart is Sonography report and Rasi > > chart is the Xray only. > > Namasha chart is antar/bhukti and the Rasi chart > > is Maha Dasa. > > Navamsha chart is sookshma Vibhaga and rasi > > chart, sthoola vibhaga. > > > > All the above authors and the books written by them > > are too importnt to be ignored. The Navamsha chart > > is the most important chart along with the Bhava > > Chalit chart, for any traditional astrologer, if he > > wsihes to attain acumen in predicting. > > > > I remember my own case,2 times in my family at > > a certain point of transit in my Navamsha chart, by > > Saturn, as per the rules mentioned by the venerated, > > the events have materialised., I had to bear > > witness a death and a serious near death case > > of my own father. In fact I get scared to apply > > the rules now in the Navamsha chart.They are so > > perfect. > > > > The Kaivalya, or Moksha-Final > > liberation, is it not mentioned that > > Ketu has to be placed 12th in the > > Navamsha from the karakamsha > > Lagna ? > > > > Please correct me, if I am wrong. > > > > best wishes, > > Bhaskar. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 6, 2007 Report Share Posted July 6, 2007 Dear Bhaskar ji, Didn't you notice that all of them tell about the Amsha of Lagna and not about any chart? For example- > 1) Saravali -Kalyan Verma in Chapter 50 > has given 109 verses on results of each rising Navamsha. It is about the results to be predicted if the native's Lagna is in some perticular Navamsa (=1/9th division of a sign). i.e, if the native is born in some perticular navamsa (=1/9th of a sign). Here the special reference is to 1/9th of Asc sign. > 2) Nashta Jataka - related to Nadi Granthas has given > notes on 108 Navamshas.,indicating place of birth. There also the case is the same. The reference is to Lagna Navamsa and not to any navamsa chart. > 3) Yavan Jataka - Chapter 31 -there are > 109 verses on navamsha occupied by Moon. Same as above - the reference is to Lagna Navamsa and not to any chart. > 4) Nakshatra Chintamani - describes traits of a person > based on Moons 108 Navamsha positions. Phew! Same as above! How may examples you will try to misqote! > 5) deva keralam > 6) Dhruva Nadi Why, no details?! - Was it not available of difficualt to interpret? > 7) Vidya Madhaviyam > 8) Prasna Marg > 9) Hora sara Not even the son of Madhavacharya who wrote Chaturasundari never argued so! Was he unaware that his father used a chart to read the navamsa?!! Neither Prasnamarga's commentry by the auther himself, nor the same unbroken guru-sishya parampara present even today tells or argues like that - They are clear about the fact that Prasnamarga tells only about Navamsa and not any chart. I think Pridhu Yasas must have been well aware about the methods used by his father Varaha Mihira. > Vraddha Yavana Jatak (150 BC), Meena Raja, > Sphuji Dhwaja, Varahamihir,Pruthuyasas, Kalyan > Verma, Gunakar, Bala bhadra,Mansagari, all > these authors have written about Navamsha > totalling about 3000 verses. Yes, all about Navamsa - where is your navamsha chart?! > No astrologer in South India would touch a Rashi > Chart without the Navamsha Chart.And most of the cream > astrologers have been born in South India. Do you ever been to south india and know their methods? I am a south indian astrologer - with lot of exposure to southindian astrology. They never use any seperate chart for navamsaha. But mark navamsha out side the natal chart and use it in prediction effectively, as per the directions given by the sages. They neither read the navamsa chart seperately starting from Navamsha lagna, nor consider aspects and houses in Navamsha. As per south indian tradition all aspects, houses and transit would be considered in Natal chart alone. > Navamsha chart is the backbone (Meru danda) and > the Rasi chart is the body (deha) only. > Navamsha Chart is fruit and Rasi chart, the tree. Please don't misinterpret. The sanskrit quote with similar meanings just mention about Navamsha (1/9th of a sign) and Rasi (a sign); and not any chart. > Navamsha chart is Sonography report and Rasi > chart is the Xray only. > Namasha chart is antar/bhukti and the Rasi chart > is Maha Dasa. > Navamsha chart is sookshma Vibhaga and rasi > chart, sthoola vibhaga. OK. That are your imaginations - that is ok. But the sanskrit quote " Sukshma phalam Navamshad " only say " Navamsah " (1/9th of a sign) and not any chart. I am tiered - it seems useless reading the remaining part of the mail. Love, Sreenadh , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: > > Importance of Navamsha in prediction > > If one talks about BPHS , > if one talks about Karakamsha ie.Jamini. > then we may talk of others too. > > 1) Saravali -Kalyan Verma in Chapter 50 > has given 109 verses on results of each rising Navamsha. > > 2) Nashta Jataka - related to Nadi Granthas has given > notes on 108 Navamshas.,indicating place of birth. > > 3) Yavan Jataka - Chapter 31 -there are > 109 verses on navamsha occupied by Moon. > > 4) Nakshatra Chintamani - describes traits of a person > based on Moons 108 Navamsha positions. > > 5) deva keralam > > 6) Dhruva Nadi > > 7) Vidya Madhaviyam > > 8) Prasna Marg > > 9) Hora sara > > all above books deal with Navamshas. > > Vraddha Yavana Jatak (150 BC), Meena Raja, > Sphuji Dhwaja, Varahamihir,Pruthuyasas, Kalyan > Verma, Gunakar, Bala bhadra,Mansagari, all > these authors have written about Navamsha > totalling about 3000 verses. > > No astrologer in South India would touch a Rashi > Chart without the Navamsha Chart.And most of the cream > astrologers have been born in South India. > > Navamsha chart is the backbone (Meru danda) and > the Rasi chart is the body (deha) only. > Navamsha Chart is fruit and Rasi chart, the tree. > Navamsha chart is Sonography report and Rasi > chart is the Xray only. > Namasha chart is antar/bhukti and the Rasi chart > is Maha Dasa. > Navamsha chart is sookshma Vibhaga and rasi > chart, sthoola vibhaga. > > All the above authors and the books written by them > are too importnt to be ignored. The Navamsha chart > is the most important chart along with the Bhava > Chalit chart, for any traditional astrologer, if he > wsihes to attain acumen in predicting. > > I remember my own case,2 times in my family at > a certain point of transit in my Navamsha chart, by > Saturn, as per the rules mentioned by the venerated, > the events have materialised., I had to bear > witness a death and a serious near death case > of my own father. In fact I get scared to apply > the rules now in the Navamsha chart.They are so > perfect. > > The Kaivalya, or Moksha-Final > liberation, is it not mentioned that > Ketu has to be placed 12th in the > Navamsha from the karakamsha > Lagna ? > > Please correct me, if I am wrong. > > best wishes, > Bhaskar. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 6, 2007 Report Share Posted July 6, 2007 Dear Bhaskar ji, ==> > We are over smart and even bring in and misquote the Rishi Munis > out of context, just to prove our point, which is what has been > happenning with the new cross breed of writers, who just wish to > appear spectacular and come in limelight, by distracting the > general trend of approach and modes taken by the astrologers since > ages. <== It seems that your own description suits you well in the below context!! How accurate! Love, Sreenadh , " Sreenadh " <sreesog wrote: > > Dear Bhaskar ji, > Didn't you notice that all of them tell about the Amsha of Lagna and > not about any chart? For example- > > 1) Saravali -Kalyan Verma in Chapter 50 > > has given 109 verses on results of each rising Navamsha. > It is about the results to be predicted if the native's Lagna is in > some perticular Navamsa (=1/9th division of a sign). i.e, if the > native is born in some perticular navamsa (=1/9th of a sign). Here > the special reference is to 1/9th of Asc sign. > > 2) Nashta Jataka - related to Nadi Granthas has given > > notes on 108 Navamshas.,indicating place of birth. > There also the case is the same. The reference is to Lagna Navamsa > and not to any navamsa chart. > > 3) Yavan Jataka - Chapter 31 -there are > > 109 verses on navamsha occupied by Moon. > Same as above - the reference is to Lagna Navamsa and not to any > chart. > > 4) Nakshatra Chintamani - describes traits of a person > > based on Moons 108 Navamsha positions. > Phew! Same as above! How may examples you will try to misqote! > > 5) deva keralam > > 6) Dhruva Nadi > > Why, no details?! - Was it not available of difficualt to interpret? > > 7) Vidya Madhaviyam > > 8) Prasna Marg > > 9) Hora sara > Not even the son of Madhavacharya who wrote Chaturasundari never > argued so! Was he unaware that his father used a chart to read the > navamsa?!! Neither Prasnamarga's commentry by the auther himself, nor > the same unbroken guru-sishya parampara present even today tells or > argues like that - They are clear about the fact that Prasnamarga > tells only about Navamsa and not any chart. I think Pridhu Yasas must > have been well aware about the methods used by his father Varaha > Mihira. > > Vraddha Yavana Jatak (150 BC), Meena Raja, > > Sphuji Dhwaja, Varahamihir,Pruthuyasas, Kalyan > > Verma, Gunakar, Bala bhadra,Mansagari, all > > these authors have written about Navamsha > > totalling about 3000 verses. > Yes, all about Navamsa - where is your navamsha chart?! > > No astrologer in South India would touch a Rashi > > Chart without the Navamsha Chart.And most of the cream > > astrologers have been born in South India. > Do you ever been to south india and know their methods? I am a south > indian astrologer - with lot of exposure to southindian astrology. > They never use any seperate chart for navamsaha. But mark navamsha > out side the natal chart and use it in prediction effectively, as per > the directions given by the sages. They neither read the navamsa > chart seperately starting from Navamsha lagna, nor consider aspects > and houses in Navamsha. As per south indian tradition all aspects, > houses and transit would be considered in Natal chart alone. > > > Navamsha chart is the backbone (Meru danda) and > > the Rasi chart is the body (deha) only. > > Navamsha Chart is fruit and Rasi chart, the tree. > Please don't misinterpret. The sanskrit quote with similar meanings > just mention about Navamsha (1/9th of a sign) and Rasi (a sign); and > not any chart. > > > Navamsha chart is Sonography report and Rasi > > chart is the Xray only. > > Namasha chart is antar/bhukti and the Rasi chart > > is Maha Dasa. > > Navamsha chart is sookshma Vibhaga and rasi > > chart, sthoola vibhaga. > OK. That are your imaginations - that is ok. But the sanskrit > quote " Sukshma phalam Navamshad " only say " Navamsah " (1/9th of a > sign) and not any chart. > > I am tiered - it seems useless reading the remaining part of the > mail. > > Love, > Sreenadh > > > > > , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@> > wrote: > > > > Importance of Navamsha in prediction > > > > If one talks about BPHS , > > if one talks about Karakamsha ie.Jamini. > > then we may talk of others too. > > > > 1) Saravali -Kalyan Verma in Chapter 50 > > has given 109 verses on results of each rising Navamsha. > > > > 2) Nashta Jataka - related to Nadi Granthas has given > > notes on 108 Navamshas.,indicating place of birth. > > > > 3) Yavan Jataka - Chapter 31 -there are > > 109 verses on navamsha occupied by Moon. > > > > 4) Nakshatra Chintamani - describes traits of a person > > based on Moons 108 Navamsha positions. > > > > 5) deva keralam > > > > 6) Dhruva Nadi > > > > 7) Vidya Madhaviyam > > > > 8) Prasna Marg > > > > 9) Hora sara > > > > all above books deal with Navamshas. > > > > Vraddha Yavana Jatak (150 BC), Meena Raja, > > Sphuji Dhwaja, Varahamihir,Pruthuyasas, Kalyan > > Verma, Gunakar, Bala bhadra,Mansagari, all > > these authors have written about Navamsha > > totalling about 3000 verses. > > > > No astrologer in South India would touch a Rashi > > Chart without the Navamsha Chart.And most of the cream > > astrologers have been born in South India. > > > > Navamsha chart is the backbone (Meru danda) and > > the Rasi chart is the body (deha) only. > > Navamsha Chart is fruit and Rasi chart, the tree. > > Navamsha chart is Sonography report and Rasi > > chart is the Xray only. > > Namasha chart is antar/bhukti and the Rasi chart > > is Maha Dasa. > > Navamsha chart is sookshma Vibhaga and rasi > > chart, sthoola vibhaga. > > > > All the above authors and the books written by them > > are too importnt to be ignored. The Navamsha chart > > is the most important chart along with the Bhava > > Chalit chart, for any traditional astrologer, if he > > wsihes to attain acumen in predicting. > > > > I remember my own case,2 times in my family at > > a certain point of transit in my Navamsha chart, by > > Saturn, as per the rules mentioned by the venerated, > > the events have materialised., I had to bear > > witness a death and a serious near death case > > of my own father. In fact I get scared to apply > > the rules now in the Navamsha chart.They are so > > perfect. > > > > The Kaivalya, or Moksha-Final > > liberation, is it not mentioned that > > Ketu has to be placed 12th in the > > Navamsha from the karakamsha > > Lagna ? > > > > Please correct me, if I am wrong. > > > > best wishes, > > Bhaskar. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 6, 2007 Report Share Posted July 6, 2007 Dear Sreenadh ji, Shows your class and breeding, when you become personal. Where have I spoken on a personal tone to anyone here in this thread ? Why does the need appear for you to become insecure at my entry ? You have no class to be in a group of good human beings, forget the assembly of august astrologers. I can understand that you rightly feel guilty. Do all the members here not know how you have misquoted the Rishi Munis in your articles in the links you have given to members on all the forums, which is nothing but thrash ? You have tried to oversmart them, by saying that I feel they mean so n so. and there is no conformity etc.etc. You need not read my mails fully, I do not throw pearls before ..... They are meant for the seekers. And I always pass my messages in a very clear manner, and the secrets in a subtle manner. You even misquoted my present mails. I have no where talked about aspects in Navamsha charts. prove where have i talked ? I jhave neither supported nor negated that issue but kept out of that controversy. I notice that you are all the time only talking - and talking about the Shastras and what The authors have said- or tried to said in your perspective, lets get down to actual predictions and not mere talk. Your self prophesed knowledge is of no help, rather has wasted so many members valuable time and energy, because you have been able to prove nothing.. Please offer a glass of water to some thirsty person, instead of great sermons on building dams. I can write much more, but hope you will not allow me that luxury. Dear members, beware, when he is not able to prove anything, he has turned personal, when there was no need to do so in this particular thread. He may do so with you too., if you dont agree to be a Yes man to his misunderstood theories. Love, Bhaskar. P.S. I cannot understand how you can slap a person, and at the same time write with a prefix " ji " while addressing the name, and also write " Love' at the end of the mail. I will try to replicate this hypocrisy but will not be able to go far with my nature. , " Sreenadh " <sreesog wrote: > > Dear Bhaskar ji, > ==> > > We are over smart and even bring in and misquote the Rishi Munis > > out of context, just to prove our point, which is what has been > > happenning with the new cross breed of writers, who just wish to > > appear spectacular and come in limelight, by distracting the > > general trend of approach and modes taken by the astrologers since > > ages. > <== > It seems that your own description suits you well in the below > context!! How accurate! > Love, > Sreenadh > > , " Sreenadh " <sreesog@> wrote: > > > > Dear Bhaskar ji, > > Didn't you notice that all of them tell about the Amsha of Lagna > and > > not about any chart? For example- > > > 1) Saravali -Kalyan Verma in Chapter 50 > > > has given 109 verses on results of each rising Navamsha. > > It is about the results to be predicted if the native's Lagna is > in > > some perticular Navamsa (=1/9th division of a sign). i.e, if the > > native is born in some perticular navamsa (=1/9th of a sign). Here > > the special reference is to 1/9th of Asc sign. > > > 2) Nashta Jataka - related to Nadi Granthas has given > > > notes on 108 Navamshas.,indicating place of birth. > > There also the case is the same. The reference is to Lagna Navamsa > > and not to any navamsa chart. > > > 3) Yavan Jataka - Chapter 31 -there are > > > 109 verses on navamsha occupied by Moon. > > Same as above - the reference is to Lagna Navamsa and not to any > > chart. > > > 4) Nakshatra Chintamani - describes traits of a person > > > based on Moons 108 Navamsha positions. > > Phew! Same as above! How may examples you will try to misqote! > > > 5) deva keralam > > > 6) Dhruva Nadi > > > > Why, no details?! - Was it not available of difficualt to > interpret? > > > 7) Vidya Madhaviyam > > > 8) Prasna Marg > > > 9) Hora sara > > Not even the son of Madhavacharya who wrote Chaturasundari never > > argued so! Was he unaware that his father used a chart to read the > > navamsa?!! Neither Prasnamarga's commentry by the auther himself, > nor > > the same unbroken guru-sishya parampara present even today tells or > > argues like that - They are clear about the fact that Prasnamarga > > tells only about Navamsa and not any chart. I think Pridhu Yasas > must > > have been well aware about the methods used by his father Varaha > > Mihira. > > > Vraddha Yavana Jatak (150 BC), Meena Raja, > > > Sphuji Dhwaja, Varahamihir,Pruthuyasas, Kalyan > > > Verma, Gunakar, Bala bhadra,Mansagari, all > > > these authors have written about Navamsha > > > totalling about 3000 verses. > > Yes, all about Navamsa - where is your navamsha chart?! > > > No astrologer in South India would touch a Rashi > > > Chart without the Navamsha Chart.And most of the cream > > > astrologers have been born in South India. > > Do you ever been to south india and know their methods? I am a > south > > indian astrologer - with lot of exposure to southindian astrology. > > They never use any seperate chart for navamsaha. But mark navamsha > > out side the natal chart and use it in prediction effectively, as > per > > the directions given by the sages. They neither read the navamsa > > chart seperately starting from Navamsha lagna, nor consider aspects > > and houses in Navamsha. As per south indian tradition all aspects, > > houses and transit would be considered in Natal chart alone. > > > > > Navamsha chart is the backbone (Meru danda) and > > > the Rasi chart is the body (deha) only. > > > Navamsha Chart is fruit and Rasi chart, the tree. > > Please don't misinterpret. The sanskrit quote with similar > meanings > > just mention about Navamsha (1/9th of a sign) and Rasi (a sign); > and > > not any chart. > > > > > Navamsha chart is Sonography report and Rasi > > > chart is the Xray only. > > > Namasha chart is antar/bhukti and the Rasi chart > > > is Maha Dasa. > > > Navamsha chart is sookshma Vibhaga and rasi > > > chart, sthoola vibhaga. > > OK. That are your imaginations - that is ok. But the sanskrit > > quote " Sukshma phalam Navamshad " only say " Navamsah " (1/9th of a > > sign) and not any chart. > > > > I am tiered - it seems useless reading the remaining part of the > > mail. > > > > Love, > > Sreenadh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Importance of Navamsha in prediction > > > > > > If one talks about BPHS , > > > if one talks about Karakamsha ie.Jamini. > > > then we may talk of others too. > > > > > > 1) Saravali -Kalyan Verma in Chapter 50 > > > has given 109 verses on results of each rising Navamsha. > > > > > > 2) Nashta Jataka - related to Nadi Granthas has given > > > notes on 108 Navamshas.,indicating place of birth. > > > > > > 3) Yavan Jataka - Chapter 31 -there are > > > 109 verses on navamsha occupied by Moon. > > > > > > 4) Nakshatra Chintamani - describes traits of a person > > > based on Moons 108 Navamsha positions. > > > > > > 5) deva keralam > > > > > > 6) Dhruva Nadi > > > > > > 7) Vidya Madhaviyam > > > > > > 8) Prasna Marg > > > > > > 9) Hora sara > > > > > > all above books deal with Navamshas. > > > > > > Vraddha Yavana Jatak (150 BC), Meena Raja, > > > Sphuji Dhwaja, Varahamihir,Pruthuyasas, Kalyan > > > Verma, Gunakar, Bala bhadra,Mansagari, all > > > these authors have written about Navamsha > > > totalling about 3000 verses. > > > > > > No astrologer in South India would touch a Rashi > > > Chart without the Navamsha Chart.And most of the cream > > > astrologers have been born in South India. > > > > > > Navamsha chart is the backbone (Meru danda) and > > > the Rasi chart is the body (deha) only. > > > Navamsha Chart is fruit and Rasi chart, the tree. > > > Navamsha chart is Sonography report and Rasi > > > chart is the Xray only. > > > Namasha chart is antar/bhukti and the Rasi chart > > > is Maha Dasa. > > > Navamsha chart is sookshma Vibhaga and rasi > > > chart, sthoola vibhaga. > > > > > > All the above authors and the books written by them > > > are too importnt to be ignored. The Navamsha chart > > > is the most important chart along with the Bhava > > > Chalit chart, for any traditional astrologer, if he > > > wsihes to attain acumen in predicting. > > > > > > I remember my own case,2 times in my family at > > > a certain point of transit in my Navamsha chart, by > > > Saturn, as per the rules mentioned by the venerated, > > > the events have materialised., I had to bear > > > witness a death and a serious near death case > > > of my own father. In fact I get scared to apply > > > the rules now in the Navamsha chart.They are so > > > perfect. > > > > > > The Kaivalya, or Moksha-Final > > > liberation, is it not mentioned that > > > Ketu has to be placed 12th in the > > > Navamsha from the karakamsha > > > Lagna ? > > > > > > Please correct me, if I am wrong. > > > > > > best wishes, > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 6, 2007 Report Share Posted July 6, 2007 Dea Sreenadhiji, My navamsha chart is in safe custody, and not meant to be dissected by any Tom,Dick or Harry.(I ask the members what need was there for him to talk or ask about my Navamsha chart ? Is this the man with whom you think you have done great discussions on astrological debates ?) Who says that the Navamsha chart is not made by South Indianpundits ? Only a 10 year old child may say that. Where have you seen them marking outside the chart ? Who says that amsha is to be only seen for the Lagna, and not the other Planets ? Have you ever made a Navamsha chart in your life ever ? If not then please learn it. It does not take more than 3 minutes to get the navamsha positions of the Lagn and the 9 Planets . Practise on 50 charts, and notice what you find striking in the navamsha positions in various degrees of the same planets, and the Nakshatra Lords. Come back to me with what you observe, and i will teach you some great knowledge which you may not find written in some book, but only comes with experience of watching navamsha charts. But you will have to touch my feet, bfore I agree to impart this knowledge to you. The navamsha Chart is just a graphical representation showing the positions of all he planets including the Lagna, so do not keep any bias towards it. just because you have no knowledge of opening the key. You want details for Dhruva nadi and devakeralam etc ? Am I your secretary to ive you details / And what would you do with them, write more articles with misrepresentations , to create furore and false recognition amongst gullible members made by making fool of them, givig free links that guide them to your Forum ? Pleas espare me the trouble. There are 2,75,000 verses in Dhruva Nadi, go to Mysore manuscripts Library to study those, and for devakaralam, if you can understand buy 3 volumes written by Shri Santhanamji, if you are able to understand these. Have you ever cut a watermelon in your life ? cut many pieces and place them in a plate, The whole watermelon would be available to you in ready to eat pieces on a single plate. That is what is a Navamsha chart. You may either make a chart or not make it, does not make any difference. Just learn to interpret the same, and spare me in future of ever having to reply you and waste my time ,please. I have no personal enmity with you, and do not wish to create any,so spare me please, and if you wish to continue, then i will not show my back, but it would be a waste of time and energy. Hope you will become wiser now, after having come in touch of me, and prove this by not replying back to me. regards, Bhaskar. , " Sreenadh " <sreesog wrote: > > Dear Bhaskar ji, > Didn't you notice that all of them tell about the Amsha of Lagna and > not about any chart? For example- > > 1) Saravali -Kalyan Verma in Chapter 50 > > has given 109 verses on results of each rising Navamsha. > It is about the results to be predicted if the native's Lagna is in > some perticular Navamsa (=1/9th division of a sign). i.e, if the > native is born in some perticular navamsa (=1/9th of a sign). Here > the special reference is to 1/9th of Asc sign. > > 2) Nashta Jataka - related to Nadi Granthas has given > > notes on 108 Navamshas.,indicating place of birth. > There also the case is the same. The reference is to Lagna Navamsa > and not to any navamsa chart. > > 3) Yavan Jataka - Chapter 31 -there are > > 109 verses on navamsha occupied by Moon. > Same as above - the reference is to Lagna Navamsa and not to any > chart. > > 4) Nakshatra Chintamani - describes traits of a person > > based on Moons 108 Navamsha positions. > Phew! Same as above! How may examples you will try to misqote! > > 5) deva keralam > > 6) Dhruva Nadi > > Why, no details?! - Was it not available of difficualt to interpret? > > 7) Vidya Madhaviyam > > 8) Prasna Marg > > 9) Hora sara > Not even the son of Madhavacharya who wrote Chaturasundari never > argued so! Was he unaware that his father used a chart to read the > navamsa?!! Neither Prasnamarga's commentry by the auther himself, nor > the same unbroken guru-sishya parampara present even today tells or > argues like that - They are clear about the fact that Prasnamarga > tells only about Navamsa and not any chart. I think Pridhu Yasas must > have been well aware about the methods used by his father Varaha > Mihira. > > Vraddha Yavana Jatak (150 BC), Meena Raja, > > Sphuji Dhwaja, Varahamihir,Pruthuyasas, Kalyan > > Verma, Gunakar, Bala bhadra,Mansagari, all > > these authors have written about Navamsha > > totalling about 3000 verses. > Yes, all about Navamsa - where is your navamsha chart?! > > No astrologer in South India would touch a Rashi > > Chart without the Navamsha Chart.And most of the cream > > astrologers have been born in South India. > Do you ever been to south india and know their methods? I am a south > indian astrologer - with lot of exposure to southindian astrology. > They never use any seperate chart for navamsaha. But mark navamsha > out side the natal chart and use it in prediction effectively, as per > the directions given by the sages. They neither read the navamsa > chart seperately starting from Navamsha lagna, nor consider aspects > and houses in Navamsha. As per south indian tradition all aspects, > houses and transit would be considered in Natal chart alone. > > > Navamsha chart is the backbone (Meru danda) and > > the Rasi chart is the body (deha) only. > > Navamsha Chart is fruit and Rasi chart, the tree. > Please don't misinterpret. The sanskrit quote with similar meanings > just mention about Navamsha (1/9th of a sign) and Rasi (a sign); and > not any chart. > > > Navamsha chart is Sonography report and Rasi > > chart is the Xray only. > > Namasha chart is antar/bhukti and the Rasi chart > > is Maha Dasa. > > Navamsha chart is sookshma Vibhaga and rasi > > chart, sthoola vibhaga. > OK. That are your imaginations - that is ok. But the sanskrit > quote " Sukshma phalam Navamshad " only say " Navamsah " (1/9th of a > sign) and not any chart. > > I am tiered - it seems useless reading the remaining part of the > mail. > > Love, > Sreenadh > > > > > , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@> > wrote: > > > > Importance of Navamsha in prediction > > > > If one talks about BPHS , > > if one talks about Karakamsha ie.Jamini. > > then we may talk of others too. > > > > 1) Saravali -Kalyan Verma in Chapter 50 > > has given 109 verses on results of each rising Navamsha. > > > > 2) Nashta Jataka - related to Nadi Granthas has given > > notes on 108 Navamshas.,indicating place of birth. > > > > 3) Yavan Jataka - Chapter 31 -there are > > 109 verses on navamsha occupied by Moon. > > > > 4) Nakshatra Chintamani - describes traits of a person > > based on Moons 108 Navamsha positions. > > > > 5) deva keralam > > > > 6) Dhruva Nadi > > > > 7) Vidya Madhaviyam > > > > 8) Prasna Marg > > > > 9) Hora sara > > > > all above books deal with Navamshas. > > > > Vraddha Yavana Jatak (150 BC), Meena Raja, > > Sphuji Dhwaja, Varahamihir,Pruthuyasas, Kalyan > > Verma, Gunakar, Bala bhadra,Mansagari, all > > these authors have written about Navamsha > > totalling about 3000 verses. > > > > No astrologer in South India would touch a Rashi > > Chart without the Navamsha Chart.And most of the cream > > astrologers have been born in South India. > > > > Navamsha chart is the backbone (Meru danda) and > > the Rasi chart is the body (deha) only. > > Navamsha Chart is fruit and Rasi chart, the tree. > > Navamsha chart is Sonography report and Rasi > > chart is the Xray only. > > Namasha chart is antar/bhukti and the Rasi chart > > is Maha Dasa. > > Navamsha chart is sookshma Vibhaga and rasi > > chart, sthoola vibhaga. > > > > All the above authors and the books written by them > > are too importnt to be ignored. The Navamsha chart > > is the most important chart along with the Bhava > > Chalit chart, for any traditional astrologer, if he > > wsihes to attain acumen in predicting. > > > > I remember my own case,2 times in my family at > > a certain point of transit in my Navamsha chart, by > > Saturn, as per the rules mentioned by the venerated, > > the events have materialised., I had to bear > > witness a death and a serious near death case > > of my own father. In fact I get scared to apply > > the rules now in the Navamsha chart.They are so > > perfect. > > > > The Kaivalya, or Moksha-Final > > liberation, is it not mentioned that > > Ketu has to be placed 12th in the > > Navamsha from the karakamsha > > Lagna ? > > > > Please correct me, if I am wrong. > > > > best wishes, > > Bhaskar. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 6, 2007 Report Share Posted July 6, 2007 Bhaskarji, You said > The Kaivalya, or Moksha-Final liberation, is it not mentioned that Ketu has to be placed 12th in the Navamsha from the karakamsha Lagna ? > Could you please chaeck the sholka or the translation. I think it states " 12th from karakamsha " . We are extrapolating it to mean 12th from karakamsha in navansha chart. The whole debate is where is this karakamsha to be taken. Karakamsha is a amsha and will be a rashi. Now 12th from that rashi, is it 12th from that rashi in rashi kundali ? Or 12th from that rashi in navansh? Or is it if ketu navansha falls in 12th rashi from karakamsha rashi ? Satish --- Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: > Importance of Navamsha in prediction > > If one talks about BPHS , > if one talks about Karakamsha ie.Jamini. > then we may talk of others too. > > 1) Saravali -Kalyan Verma in Chapter 50 > has given 109 verses on results of each rising > Navamsha. > > 2) Nashta Jataka - related to Nadi Granthas has > given > notes on 108 Navamshas.,indicating place of birth. > > 3) Yavan Jataka - Chapter 31 -there are > 109 verses on navamsha occupied by Moon. > > 4) Nakshatra Chintamani - describes traits of a > person > based on Moons 108 Navamsha positions. > > 5) deva keralam > > 6) Dhruva Nadi > > 7) Vidya Madhaviyam > > 8) Prasna Marg > > 9) Hora sara > > all above books deal with Navamshas. > > Vraddha Yavana Jatak (150 BC), Meena Raja, > Sphuji Dhwaja, Varahamihir,Pruthuyasas, Kalyan > Verma, Gunakar, Bala bhadra,Mansagari, all > these authors have written about Navamsha > totalling about 3000 verses. > > No astrologer in South India would touch a Rashi > Chart without the Navamsha Chart.And most of the > cream > astrologers have been born in South India. > > Navamsha chart is the backbone (Meru danda) and > the Rasi chart is the body (deha) only. > Navamsha Chart is fruit and Rasi chart, the tree. > Navamsha chart is Sonography report and Rasi > chart is the Xray only. > Namasha chart is antar/bhukti and the Rasi chart > is Maha Dasa. > Navamsha chart is sookshma Vibhaga and rasi > chart, sthoola vibhaga. > > All the above authors and the books written by them > are too importnt to be ignored. The Navamsha chart > is the most important chart along with the Bhava > Chalit chart, for any traditional astrologer, if he > wsihes to attain acumen in predicting. > > I remember my own case,2 times in my family at > a certain point of transit in my Navamsha chart, by > Saturn, as per the rules mentioned by the venerated, > the events have materialised., I had to bear > witness a death and a serious near death case > of my own father. In fact I get scared to apply > the rules now in the Navamsha chart.They are so > perfect. > > The Kaivalya, or Moksha-Final > liberation, is it not mentioned that > Ketu has to be placed 12th in the > Navamsha from the karakamsha > Lagna ? > > Please correct me, if I am wrong. > > best wishes, > Bhaskar. > > > ______________________________\ ____ Fussy? Opinionated? Impossible to please? Perfect. Join 's user panel and lay it on us. http://surveylink./gmrs/_panel_invite.asp?a=7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 6, 2007 Report Share Posted July 6, 2007 Shri Satishj, The answer is provided in your own query. First the basics. as said by PS Sastri an expert on Jamini astrology- in his Book " Jamini astrology " Chapter 11 Named " Judgement Karakamsa " Page 56. " Jaminis method is unique in so far as his approach differs from that followed traditionally. here we should remember seven primary karakas , karakamsa in navamsa, where Atmakaraka is located,the strength of Rasi and planets ....................... " " The most important planet is the one who has the highest longitude in the signs. He is Atmakaraka. the sign he occupies in navamsa is Karakamsa Lagna. " That answers the first part of your query. as to from where the karakamsha is taken. When we talk of amshas, we always look at the amsha chart. Karak-amsha. This is the most basic prelimnary of Jamini astrology. The karakamsa cannot become the part of the Rasi chakra, if the above definition is understood properly. as soon as you talk of Karakamsha, you are talking only about the Navamsha Chart, and not with reference to the Rasi chart., because the word Karakamsha itself comes into existence, when the the atmakaraka occupies a seat or Raashi (Sign) in the Navamsha Chart, and not anywhere else.there is no ambiguity of understanding here at all. In the Pratham adhyaya and the dvitiya Pada Shloka 69. If ketu is in the 12th from karakamsa, the native has Moksha. This naturally means , that ketu has to be in the 12th raashi or sign, from the sign occupied by The Atmakaraka in Navamsha, ie. The Karakamsha, or if you take it as the first house, then the 12th from the Karakamsha Lagna. Hope no more issues on above. regards, Bhaskar. , SPK <aquaris_rising wrote: > > Bhaskarji, > > You said > > > > The Kaivalya, or Moksha-Final > liberation, is it not mentioned that > Ketu has to be placed 12th in the > Navamsha from the karakamsha > Lagna ? > > > > Could you please chaeck the sholka or the translation. > I think it states " 12th from karakamsha " . We are > extrapolating it to mean 12th from karakamsha in > navansha chart. The whole debate is where is this > karakamsha to be taken. Karakamsha is a amsha and will > be a rashi. Now 12th from that rashi, is it 12th from > that rashi in rashi kundali ? Or 12th from that rashi > in navansh? Or is it if ketu navansha falls in 12th > rashi from karakamsha rashi ? > > Satish > --- Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: > > > Importance of Navamsha in prediction > > > > If one talks about BPHS , > > if one talks about Karakamsha ie.Jamini. > > then we may talk of others too. > > > > 1) Saravali -Kalyan Verma in Chapter 50 > > has given 109 verses on results of each rising > > Navamsha. > > > > 2) Nashta Jataka - related to Nadi Granthas has > > given > > notes on 108 Navamshas.,indicating place of birth. > > > > 3) Yavan Jataka - Chapter 31 -there are > > 109 verses on navamsha occupied by Moon. > > > > 4) Nakshatra Chintamani - describes traits of a > > person > > based on Moons 108 Navamsha positions. > > > > 5) deva keralam > > > > 6) Dhruva Nadi > > > > 7) Vidya Madhaviyam > > > > 8) Prasna Marg > > > > 9) Hora sara > > > > all above books deal with Navamshas. > > > > Vraddha Yavana Jatak (150 BC), Meena Raja, > > Sphuji Dhwaja, Varahamihir,Pruthuyasas, Kalyan > > Verma, Gunakar, Bala bhadra,Mansagari, all > > these authors have written about Navamsha > > totalling about 3000 verses. > > > > No astrologer in South India would touch a Rashi > > Chart without the Navamsha Chart.And most of the > > cream > > astrologers have been born in South India. > > > > Navamsha chart is the backbone (Meru danda) and > > the Rasi chart is the body (deha) only. > > Navamsha Chart is fruit and Rasi chart, the tree. > > Navamsha chart is Sonography report and Rasi > > chart is the Xray only. > > Namasha chart is antar/bhukti and the Rasi chart > > is Maha Dasa. > > Navamsha chart is sookshma Vibhaga and rasi > > chart, sthoola vibhaga. > > > > All the above authors and the books written by them > > are too importnt to be ignored. The Navamsha chart > > is the most important chart along with the Bhava > > Chalit chart, for any traditional astrologer, if he > > wsihes to attain acumen in predicting. > > > > I remember my own case,2 times in my family at > > a certain point of transit in my Navamsha chart, by > > Saturn, as per the rules mentioned by the venerated, > > the events have materialised., I had to bear > > witness a death and a serious near death case > > of my own father. In fact I get scared to apply > > the rules now in the Navamsha chart.They are so > > perfect. > > > > The Kaivalya, or Moksha-Final > > liberation, is it not mentioned that > > Ketu has to be placed 12th in the > > Navamsha from the karakamsha > > Lagna ? > > > > Please correct me, if I am wrong. > > > > best wishes, > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > ______________________________\ ____ > Fussy? Opinionated? Impossible to please? Perfect. 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Guest guest Posted July 6, 2007 Report Share Posted July 6, 2007 Bhasker - Mr shit, You vomitted the following - ==> > You have no class to be in a group of good human beings, <== ==> > You need not read my mails fully, I do not throw pearls > before ..... <== ==> > My navamsha chart is in safe custody, and not meant to > be dissected by any Tom,Dick or Harry. <== Why come you such a misserable shit!!! Dear All, I don't I think I should restrain from posting in this group when such m* fuckers are present. Those who are interested in meterial I provide can join the group and get it from there. Bye Sreenadh , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: > > Dea Sreenadhiji, > > My navamsha chart is in safe custody, and not meant to > be dissected by any Tom,Dick or Harry.(I ask the members > what need was there for him to talk or ask about > my Navamsha chart ? Is this the man with > whom you think you have done great discussions on astrological > debates ?) > > Who says that the Navamsha chart is not made by South > Indianpundits ? Only a 10 year old child may say that. > Where have you seen them marking outside the chart ? > > Who says that amsha is to be only seen for the Lagna, > and not the other Planets ? Have you ever made a Navamsha > chart in your life ever ? If not then please learn it. It > does not take more than 3 minutes to get the navamsha > positions of the Lagn and the 9 Planets . Practise on 50 > charts, and notice what you find striking in the > navamsha positions in various degrees of the same planets, > and the Nakshatra Lords. Come back to me with what you > observe, and i will teach you some great knowledge which > you may not find written in some book, but only comes > with experience of watching navamsha charts. But you > will have to touch my feet, bfore I agree to > impart this knowledge to you. > > The navamsha Chart is just a graphical representation > showing the positions of all he planets including the > Lagna, so do not keep any bias towards it. just because > you have no knowledge of opening the key. > > You want details for Dhruva nadi and devakeralam etc ? > Am I your secretary to ive you details / > And what would you do with them, write more articles > with misrepresentations , > to create furore and false recognition amongst > gullible members made by making fool of them, givig > free links > that guide them to your Forum ? > > Pleas espare me the trouble. > There are 2,75,000 verses in Dhruva Nadi, go to Mysore > manuscripts Library to study those, and for devakaralam, > if you can understand buy 3 volumes written by Shri > Santhanamji, if you are able to understand these. > > Have you ever cut a watermelon in your life ? > cut many pieces and place them in a plate, > The whole watermelon would be available to you in > ready to eat pieces on a single plate. > > That is what is a Navamsha chart. You may either > make a chart or not make it, does not make any difference. > Just learn to interpret the same, and spare me in future of > ever having to reply you and waste my time ,please. > > I have no personal enmity with you, and do not wish > to create any,so spare me please, and if you wish > to continue, then i will not show my back, but > it would be a waste of time and energy. > > Hope you will become wiser now, after having come > in touch of me, and prove this by not > replying back to me. > > regards, > Bhaskar. > , " Sreenadh " <sreesog@> wrote: > > > > Dear Bhaskar ji, > > Didn't you notice that all of them tell about the Amsha of Lagna and > > not about any chart? For example- > > > 1) Saravali -Kalyan Verma in Chapter 50 > > > has given 109 verses on results of each rising Navamsha. > > It is about the results to be predicted if the native's Lagna is in > > some perticular Navamsa (=1/9th division of a sign). i.e, if the > > native is born in some perticular navamsa (=1/9th of a sign). Here > > the special reference is to 1/9th of Asc sign. > > > 2) Nashta Jataka - related to Nadi Granthas has given > > > notes on 108 Navamshas.,indicating place of birth. > > There also the case is the same. The reference is to Lagna Navamsa > > and not to any navamsa chart. > > > 3) Yavan Jataka - Chapter 31 -there are > > > 109 verses on navamsha occupied by Moon. > > Same as above - the reference is to Lagna Navamsa and not to any > > chart. > > > 4) Nakshatra Chintamani - describes traits of a person > > > based on Moons 108 Navamsha positions. > > Phew! Same as above! How may examples you will try to misqote! > > > 5) deva keralam > > > 6) Dhruva Nadi > > > > Why, no details?! - Was it not available of difficualt to interpret? > > > 7) Vidya Madhaviyam > > > 8) Prasna Marg > > > 9) Hora sara > > Not even the son of Madhavacharya who wrote Chaturasundari never > > argued so! Was he unaware that his father used a chart to read the > > navamsa?!! Neither Prasnamarga's commentry by the auther himself, nor > > the same unbroken guru-sishya parampara present even today tells or > > argues like that - They are clear about the fact that Prasnamarga > > tells only about Navamsa and not any chart. I think Pridhu Yasas must > > have been well aware about the methods used by his father Varaha > > Mihira. > > > Vraddha Yavana Jatak (150 BC), Meena Raja, > > > Sphuji Dhwaja, Varahamihir,Pruthuyasas, Kalyan > > > Verma, Gunakar, Bala bhadra,Mansagari, all > > > these authors have written about Navamsha > > > totalling about 3000 verses. > > Yes, all about Navamsa - where is your navamsha chart?! > > > No astrologer in South India would touch a Rashi > > > Chart without the Navamsha Chart.And most of the cream > > > astrologers have been born in South India. > > Do you ever been to south india and know their methods? I am a south > > indian astrologer - with lot of exposure to southindian astrology. > > They never use any seperate chart for navamsaha. But mark navamsha > > out side the natal chart and use it in prediction effectively, as per > > the directions given by the sages. They neither read the navamsa > > chart seperately starting from Navamsha lagna, nor consider aspects > > and houses in Navamsha. As per south indian tradition all aspects, > > houses and transit would be considered in Natal chart alone. > > > > > Navamsha chart is the backbone (Meru danda) and > > > the Rasi chart is the body (deha) only. > > > Navamsha Chart is fruit and Rasi chart, the tree. > > Please don't misinterpret. The sanskrit quote with similar meanings > > just mention about Navamsha (1/9th of a sign) and Rasi (a sign); and > > not any chart. > > > > > Navamsha chart is Sonography report and Rasi > > > chart is the Xray only. > > > Namasha chart is antar/bhukti and the Rasi chart > > > is Maha Dasa. > > > Navamsha chart is sookshma Vibhaga and rasi > > > chart, sthoola vibhaga. > > OK. That are your imaginations - that is ok. But the sanskrit > > quote " Sukshma phalam Navamshad " only say " Navamsah " (1/9th of a > > sign) and not any chart. > > > > I am tiered - it seems useless reading the remaining part of the > > mail. > > > > Love, > > Sreenadh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Importance of Navamsha in prediction > > > > > > If one talks about BPHS , > > > if one talks about Karakamsha ie.Jamini. > > > then we may talk of others too. > > > > > > 1) Saravali -Kalyan Verma in Chapter 50 > > > has given 109 verses on results of each rising Navamsha. > > > > > > 2) Nashta Jataka - related to Nadi Granthas has given > > > notes on 108 Navamshas.,indicating place of birth. > > > > > > 3) Yavan Jataka - Chapter 31 -there are > > > 109 verses on navamsha occupied by Moon. > > > > > > 4) Nakshatra Chintamani - describes traits of a person > > > based on Moons 108 Navamsha positions. > > > > > > 5) deva keralam > > > > > > 6) Dhruva Nadi > > > > > > 7) Vidya Madhaviyam > > > > > > 8) Prasna Marg > > > > > > 9) Hora sara > > > > > > all above books deal with Navamshas. > > > > > > Vraddha Yavana Jatak (150 BC), Meena Raja, > > > Sphuji Dhwaja, Varahamihir,Pruthuyasas, Kalyan > > > Verma, Gunakar, Bala bhadra,Mansagari, all > > > these authors have written about Navamsha > > > totalling about 3000 verses. > > > > > > No astrologer in South India would touch a Rashi > > > Chart without the Navamsha Chart.And most of the cream > > > astrologers have been born in South India. > > > > > > Navamsha chart is the backbone (Meru danda) and > > > the Rasi chart is the body (deha) only. > > > Navamsha Chart is fruit and Rasi chart, the tree. > > > Navamsha chart is Sonography report and Rasi > > > chart is the Xray only. > > > Namasha chart is antar/bhukti and the Rasi chart > > > is Maha Dasa. > > > Navamsha chart is sookshma Vibhaga and rasi > > > chart, sthoola vibhaga. > > > > > > All the above authors and the books written by them > > > are too importnt to be ignored. The Navamsha chart > > > is the most important chart along with the Bhava > > > Chalit chart, for any traditional astrologer, if he > > > wsihes to attain acumen in predicting. > > > > > > I remember my own case,2 times in my family at > > > a certain point of transit in my Navamsha chart, by > > > Saturn, as per the rules mentioned by the venerated, > > > the events have materialised., I had to bear > > > witness a death and a serious near death case > > > of my own father. In fact I get scared to apply > > > the rules now in the Navamsha chart.They are so > > > perfect. > > > > > > The Kaivalya, or Moksha-Final > > > liberation, is it not mentioned that > > > Ketu has to be placed 12th in the > > > Navamsha from the karakamsha > > > Lagna ? > > > > > > Please correct me, if I am wrong. > > > > > > best wishes, > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 6, 2007 Report Share Posted July 6, 2007 Dear Sreenadh, Right now, TR Ketu in Fiery Leo (at 14*30) is 100% casting 9th-aspect on TR Mars in Fiery Aries (at 14*30). It really is a Shit time to take such major decisions, and it will become a Crap group if you leave. So please reconsider. Thanks. ======== - Sreenadh Friday, July 06, 2007 5:49 PM Re: Importance of Navamsha in prediction Bhasker - Mr shit, You vomitted the following - ==> > You have no class to be in a group of good human beings, <== ==> > You need not read my mails fully, I do not throw pearls > before ..... <== ==> > My navamsha chart is in safe custody, and not meant to > be dissected by any Tom,Dick or Harry. <== Why come you such a misserable shit!!! Dear All, I don't I think I should restrain from posting in this group when such m* fuckers are present. Those who are interested in meterial I provide can join the group and get it from there. Bye Sreenadh , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: > > Dea Sreenadhiji, > > My navamsha chart is in safe custody, and not meant to > be dissected by any Tom,Dick or Harry.(I ask the members > what need was there for him to talk or ask about > my Navamsha chart ? Is this the man with > whom you think you have done great discussions on astrological > debates ?) > > Who says that the Navamsha chart is not made by South > Indianpundits ? Only a 10 year old child may say that. > Where have you seen them marking outside the chart ? > > Who says that amsha is to be only seen for the Lagna, > and not the other Planets ? Have you ever made a Navamsha > chart in your life ever ? If not then please learn it. It > does not take more than 3 minutes to get the navamsha > positions of the Lagn and the 9 Planets . Practise on 50 > charts, and notice what you find striking in the > navamsha positions in various degrees of the same planets, > and the Nakshatra Lords. Come back to me with what you > observe, and i will teach you some great knowledge which > you may not find written in some book, but only comes > with experience of watching navamsha charts. But you > will have to touch my feet, bfore I agree to > impart this knowledge to you. > > The navamsha Chart is just a graphical representation > showing the positions of all he planets including the > Lagna, so do not keep any bias towards it. just because > you have no knowledge of opening the key. > > You want details for Dhruva nadi and devakeralam etc ? > Am I your secretary to ive you details / > And what would you do with them, write more articles > with misrepresentations , > to create furore and false recognition amongst > gullible members made by making fool of them, givig > free links > that guide them to your Forum ? > > Pleas espare me the trouble. > There are 2,75,000 verses in Dhruva Nadi, go to Mysore > manuscripts Library to study those, and for devakaralam, > if you can understand buy 3 volumes written by Shri > Santhanamji, if you are able to understand these. > > Have you ever cut a watermelon in your life ? > cut many pieces and place them in a plate, > The whole watermelon would be available to you in > ready to eat pieces on a single plate. > > That is what is a Navamsha chart. You may either > make a chart or not make it, does not make any difference. > Just learn to interpret the same, and spare me in future of > ever having to reply you and waste my time ,please. > > I have no personal enmity with you, and do not wish > to create any,so spare me please, and if you wish > to continue, then i will not show my back, but > it would be a waste of time and energy. > > Hope you will become wiser now, after having come > in touch of me, and prove this by not > replying back to me. > > regards, > Bhaskar. > , " Sreenadh " <sreesog@> wrote: > > > > Dear Bhaskar ji, > > Didn't you notice that all of them tell about the Amsha of Lagna and > > not about any chart? For example- > > > 1) Saravali -Kalyan Verma in Chapter 50 > > > has given 109 verses on results of each rising Navamsha. > > It is about the results to be predicted if the native's Lagna is in > > some perticular Navamsa (=1/9th division of a sign). i.e, if the > > native is born in some perticular navamsa (=1/9th of a sign). Here > > the special reference is to 1/9th of Asc sign. > > > 2) Nashta Jataka - related to Nadi Granthas has given > > > notes on 108 Navamshas.,indicating place of birth. > > There also the case is the same. The reference is to Lagna Navamsa > > and not to any navamsa chart. > > > 3) Yavan Jataka - Chapter 31 -there are > > > 109 verses on navamsha occupied by Moon. > > Same as above - the reference is to Lagna Navamsa and not to any > > chart. > > > 4) Nakshatra Chintamani - describes traits of a person > > > based on Moons 108 Navamsha positions. > > Phew! Same as above! How may examples you will try to misqote! > > > 5) deva keralam > > > 6) Dhruva Nadi > > > > Why, no details?! - Was it not available of difficualt to interpret? > > > 7) Vidya Madhaviyam > > > 8) Prasna Marg > > > 9) Hora sara > > Not even the son of Madhavacharya who wrote Chaturasundari never > > argued so! Was he unaware that his father used a chart to read the > > navamsa?!! Neither Prasnamarga's commentry by the auther himself, nor > > the same unbroken guru-sishya parampara present even today tells or > > argues like that - They are clear about the fact that Prasnamarga > > tells only about Navamsa and not any chart. I think Pridhu Yasas must > > have been well aware about the methods used by his father Varaha > > Mihira. > > > Vraddha Yavana Jatak (150 BC), Meena Raja, > > > Sphuji Dhwaja, Varahamihir,Pruthuyasas, Kalyan > > > Verma, Gunakar, Bala bhadra,Mansagari, all > > > these authors have written about Navamsha > > > totalling about 3000 verses. > > Yes, all about Navamsa - where is your navamsha chart?! > > > No astrologer in South India would touch a Rashi > > > Chart without the Navamsha Chart.And most of the cream > > > astrologers have been born in South India. > > Do you ever been to south india and know their methods? I am a south > > indian astrologer - with lot of exposure to southindian astrology. > > They never use any seperate chart for navamsaha. But mark navamsha > > out side the natal chart and use it in prediction effectively, as per > > the directions given by the sages. They neither read the navamsa > > chart seperately starting from Navamsha lagna, nor consider aspects > > and houses in Navamsha. As per south indian tradition all aspects, > > houses and transit would be considered in Natal chart alone. > > > > > Navamsha chart is the backbone (Meru danda) and > > > the Rasi chart is the body (deha) only. > > > Navamsha Chart is fruit and Rasi chart, the tree. > > Please don't misinterpret. The sanskrit quote with similar meanings > > just mention about Navamsha (1/9th of a sign) and Rasi (a sign); and > > not any chart. > > > > > Navamsha chart is Sonography report and Rasi > > > chart is the Xray only. > > > Namasha chart is antar/bhukti and the Rasi chart > > > is Maha Dasa. > > > Navamsha chart is sookshma Vibhaga and rasi > > > chart, sthoola vibhaga. > > OK. That are your imaginations - that is ok. But the sanskrit > > quote " Sukshma phalam Navamshad " only say " Navamsah " (1/9th of a > > sign) and not any chart. > > > > I am tiered - it seems useless reading the remaining part of the > > mail. > > > > Love, > > Sreenadh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Importance of Navamsha in prediction > > > > > > If one talks about BPHS , > > > if one talks about Karakamsha ie.Jamini. > > > then we may talk of others too. > > > > > > 1) Saravali -Kalyan Verma in Chapter 50 > > > has given 109 verses on results of each rising Navamsha. > > > > > > 2) Nashta Jataka - related to Nadi Granthas has given > > > notes on 108 Navamshas.,indicating place of birth. > > > > > > 3) Yavan Jataka - Chapter 31 -there are > > > 109 verses on navamsha occupied by Moon. > > > > > > 4) Nakshatra Chintamani - describes traits of a person > > > based on Moons 108 Navamsha positions. > > > > > > 5) deva keralam > > > > > > 6) Dhruva Nadi > > > > > > 7) Vidya Madhaviyam > > > > > > 8) Prasna Marg > > > > > > 9) Hora sara > > > > > > all above books deal with Navamshas. > > > > > > Vraddha Yavana Jatak (150 BC), Meena Raja, > > > Sphuji Dhwaja, Varahamihir,Pruthuyasas, Kalyan > > > Verma, Gunakar, Bala bhadra,Mansagari, all > > > these authors have written about Navamsha > > > totalling about 3000 verses. > > > > > > No astrologer in South India would touch a Rashi > > > Chart without the Navamsha Chart.And most of the cream > > > astrologers have been born in South India. > > > > > > Navamsha chart is the backbone (Meru danda) and > > > the Rasi chart is the body (deha) only. > > > Navamsha Chart is fruit and Rasi chart, the tree. > > > Navamsha chart is Sonography report and Rasi > > > chart is the Xray only. > > > Namasha chart is antar/bhukti and the Rasi chart > > > is Maha Dasa. > > > Navamsha chart is sookshma Vibhaga and rasi > > > chart, sthoola vibhaga. > > > > > > All the above authors and the books written by them > > > are too importnt to be ignored. The Navamsha chart > > > is the most important chart along with the Bhava > > > Chalit chart, for any traditional astrologer, if he > > > wsihes to attain acumen in predicting. > > > > > > I remember my own case,2 times in my family at > > > a certain point of transit in my Navamsha chart, by > > > Saturn, as per the rules mentioned by the venerated, > > > the events have materialised., I had to bear > > > witness a death and a serious near death case > > > of my own father. In fact I get scared to apply > > > the rules now in the Navamsha chart.They are so > > > perfect. > > > > > > The Kaivalya, or Moksha-Final > > > liberation, is it not mentioned that > > > Ketu has to be placed 12th in the > > > Navamsha from the karakamsha > > > Lagna ? > > > > > > Please correct me, if I am wrong. > > > > > > best wishes, > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 6, 2007 Report Share Posted July 6, 2007 Good, here comes all the wiseness of this member who was holding great astrological debates with you. Look at the words used by him. People who write books or attempting to write books, do they use such words ? Have I used any such word in my mail to him ? Do not I have knowledge to use better words ? what material you can give ? Dont joke. You have shown your true class . next time dont enter my way ,or else I will come down to your level and you will get to learn the choicest language from me. What language you are using I used to use 40 years back in school. You need to upgrade. Bhaskar. , " Sreenadh " <sreesog wrote: > > Bhasker - Mr shit, > You vomitted the following - > ==> > > You have no class to be in a group of good human beings, > <== > ==> > > You need not read my mails fully, I do not throw pearls > > before ..... > <== > ==> > > My navamsha chart is in safe custody, and not meant to > > be dissected by any Tom,Dick or Harry. > <== > > Why come you such a misserable shit!!! > > Dear All, > I don't I think I should restrain from posting in this group when > such m* fuckers are present. Those who are interested in meterial I > provide can join the group and get it from there. > Bye > Sreenadh > > , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@> > wrote: > > > > Dea Sreenadhiji, > > > > My navamsha chart is in safe custody, and not meant to > > be dissected by any Tom,Dick or Harry.(I ask the members > > what need was there for him to talk or ask about > > my Navamsha chart ? Is this the man with > > whom you think you have done great discussions on astrological > > debates ?) > > > > Who says that the Navamsha chart is not made by South > > Indianpundits ? Only a 10 year old child may say that. > > Where have you seen them marking outside the chart ? > > > > Who says that amsha is to be only seen for the Lagna, > > and not the other Planets ? Have you ever made a Navamsha > > chart in your life ever ? If not then please learn it. It > > does not take more than 3 minutes to get the navamsha > > positions of the Lagn and the 9 Planets . Practise on 50 > > charts, and notice what you find striking in the > > navamsha positions in various degrees of the same planets, > > and the Nakshatra Lords. Come back to me with what you > > observe, and i will teach you some great knowledge which > > you may not find written in some book, but only comes > > with experience of watching navamsha charts. But you > > will have to touch my feet, bfore I agree to > > impart this knowledge to you. > > > > The navamsha Chart is just a graphical representation > > showing the positions of all he planets including the > > Lagna, so do not keep any bias towards it. just because > > you have no knowledge of opening the key. > > > > You want details for Dhruva nadi and devakeralam etc ? > > Am I your secretary to ive you details / > > And what would you do with them, write more articles > > with misrepresentations , > > to create furore and false recognition amongst > > gullible members made by making fool of them, givig > > free links > > that guide them to your Forum ? > > > > Pleas espare me the trouble. > > There are 2,75,000 verses in Dhruva Nadi, go to Mysore > > manuscripts Library to study those, and for devakaralam, > > if you can understand buy 3 volumes written by Shri > > Santhanamji, if you are able to understand these. > > > > Have you ever cut a watermelon in your life ? > > cut many pieces and place them in a plate, > > The whole watermelon would be available to you in > > ready to eat pieces on a single plate. > > > > That is what is a Navamsha chart. You may either > > make a chart or not make it, does not make any difference. > > Just learn to interpret the same, and spare me in future of > > ever having to reply you and waste my time ,please. > > > > I have no personal enmity with you, and do not wish > > to create any,so spare me please, and if you wish > > to continue, then i will not show my back, but > > it would be a waste of time and energy. > > > > Hope you will become wiser now, after having come > > in touch of me, and prove this by not > > replying back to me. > > > > regards, > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Sreenadh " <sreesog@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar ji, > > > Didn't you notice that all of them tell about the Amsha of Lagna and > > > not about any chart? For example- > > > > 1) Saravali -Kalyan Verma in Chapter 50 > > > > has given 109 verses on results of each rising Navamsha. > > > It is about the results to be predicted if the native's Lagna is in > > > some perticular Navamsa (=1/9th division of a sign). i.e, if the > > > native is born in some perticular navamsa (=1/9th of a sign). Here > > > the special reference is to 1/9th of Asc sign. > > > > 2) Nashta Jataka - related to Nadi Granthas has given > > > > notes on 108 Navamshas.,indicating place of birth. > > > There also the case is the same. The reference is to Lagna Navamsa > > > and not to any navamsa chart. > > > > 3) Yavan Jataka - Chapter 31 -there are > > > > 109 verses on navamsha occupied by Moon. > > > Same as above - the reference is to Lagna Navamsa and not to any > > > chart. > > > > 4) Nakshatra Chintamani - describes traits of a person > > > > based on Moons 108 Navamsha positions. > > > Phew! Same as above! How may examples you will try to misqote! > > > > 5) deva keralam > > > > 6) Dhruva Nadi > > > > > > Why, no details?! - Was it not available of difficualt to interpret? > > > > 7) Vidya Madhaviyam > > > > 8) Prasna Marg > > > > 9) Hora sara > > > Not even the son of Madhavacharya who wrote Chaturasundari never > > > argued so! Was he unaware that his father used a chart to read the > > > navamsa?!! Neither Prasnamarga's commentry by the auther himself, nor > > > the same unbroken guru-sishya parampara present even today tells or > > > argues like that - They are clear about the fact that Prasnamarga > > > tells only about Navamsa and not any chart. I think Pridhu Yasas must > > > have been well aware about the methods used by his father Varaha > > > Mihira. > > > > Vraddha Yavana Jatak (150 BC), Meena Raja, > > > > Sphuji Dhwaja, Varahamihir,Pruthuyasas, Kalyan > > > > Verma, Gunakar, Bala bhadra,Mansagari, all > > > > these authors have written about Navamsha > > > > totalling about 3000 verses. > > > Yes, all about Navamsa - where is your navamsha chart?! > > > > No astrologer in South India would touch a Rashi > > > > Chart without the Navamsha Chart.And most of the cream > > > > astrologers have been born in South India. > > > Do you ever been to south india and know their methods? I am a south > > > indian astrologer - with lot of exposure to southindian astrology. > > > They never use any seperate chart for navamsaha. But mark navamsha > > > out side the natal chart and use it in prediction effectively, as per > > > the directions given by the sages. They neither read the navamsa > > > chart seperately starting from Navamsha lagna, nor consider aspects > > > and houses in Navamsha. As per south indian tradition all aspects, > > > houses and transit would be considered in Natal chart alone. > > > > > > > Navamsha chart is the backbone (Meru danda) and > > > > the Rasi chart is the body (deha) only. > > > > Navamsha Chart is fruit and Rasi chart, the tree. > > > Please don't misinterpret. The sanskrit quote with similar meanings > > > just mention about Navamsha (1/9th of a sign) and Rasi (a sign); and > > > not any chart. > > > > > > > Navamsha chart is Sonography report and Rasi > > > > chart is the Xray only. > > > > Namasha chart is antar/bhukti and the Rasi chart > > > > is Maha Dasa. > > > > Navamsha chart is sookshma Vibhaga and rasi > > > > chart, sthoola vibhaga. > > > OK. That are your imaginations - that is ok. But the sanskrit > > > quote " Sukshma phalam Navamshad " only say " Navamsah " (1/9th of a > > > sign) and not any chart. > > > > > > I am tiered - it seems useless reading the remaining part of the > > > mail. > > > > > > Love, > > > Sreenadh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Importance of Navamsha in prediction > > > > > > > > If one talks about BPHS , > > > > if one talks about Karakamsha ie.Jamini. > > > > then we may talk of others too. > > > > > > > > 1) Saravali -Kalyan Verma in Chapter 50 > > > > has given 109 verses on results of each rising Navamsha. > > > > > > > > 2) Nashta Jataka - related to Nadi Granthas has given > > > > notes on 108 Navamshas.,indicating place of birth. > > > > > > > > 3) Yavan Jataka - Chapter 31 -there are > > > > 109 verses on navamsha occupied by Moon. > > > > > > > > 4) Nakshatra Chintamani - describes traits of a person > > > > based on Moons 108 Navamsha positions. > > > > > > > > 5) deva keralam > > > > > > > > 6) Dhruva Nadi > > > > > > > > 7) Vidya Madhaviyam > > > > > > > > 8) Prasna Marg > > > > > > > > 9) Hora sara > > > > > > > > all above books deal with Navamshas. > > > > > > > > Vraddha Yavana Jatak (150 BC), Meena Raja, > > > > Sphuji Dhwaja, Varahamihir,Pruthuyasas, Kalyan > > > > Verma, Gunakar, Bala bhadra,Mansagari, all > > > > these authors have written about Navamsha > > > > totalling about 3000 verses. > > > > > > > > No astrologer in South India would touch a Rashi > > > > Chart without the Navamsha Chart.And most of the cream > > > > astrologers have been born in South India. > > > > > > > > Navamsha chart is the backbone (Meru danda) and > > > > the Rasi chart is the body (deha) only. > > > > Navamsha Chart is fruit and Rasi chart, the tree. > > > > Navamsha chart is Sonography report and Rasi > > > > chart is the Xray only. > > > > Namasha chart is antar/bhukti and the Rasi chart > > > > is Maha Dasa. > > > > Navamsha chart is sookshma Vibhaga and rasi > > > > chart, sthoola vibhaga. > > > > > > > > All the above authors and the books written by them > > > > are too importnt to be ignored. The Navamsha chart > > > > is the most important chart along with the Bhava > > > > Chalit chart, for any traditional astrologer, if he > > > > wsihes to attain acumen in predicting. > > > > > > > > I remember my own case,2 times in my family at > > > > a certain point of transit in my Navamsha chart, by > > > > Saturn, as per the rules mentioned by the venerated, > > > > the events have materialised., I had to bear > > > > witness a death and a serious near death case > > > > of my own father. In fact I get scared to apply > > > > the rules now in the Navamsha chart.They are so > > > > perfect. > > > > > > > > The Kaivalya, or Moksha-Final > > > > liberation, is it not mentioned that > > > > Ketu has to be placed 12th in the > > > > Navamsha from the karakamsha > > > > Lagna ? > > > > > > > > Please correct me, if I am wrong. > > > > > > > > best wishes, > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 6, 2007 Report Share Posted July 6, 2007 Dear Sateesh, Its not becoming of you to take sides of people who abuse on other members mothers, without provocation. regards, Bhaskar. , " Sateesh Batas " <makaras wrote: > > > Dear Sreenadh, > > Right now, TR Ketu in Fiery Leo (at 14*30) is 100% casting 9th-aspect on TR Mars in Fiery Aries (at 14*30). > > It really is a Shit time to take such major decisions, and it will become a Crap group if you leave. > > So please reconsider. > > Thanks. > > ======== > > - > Sreenadh > > Friday, July 06, 2007 5:49 PM > Re: Importance of Navamsha in prediction > > > Bhasker - Mr shit, > You vomitted the following - > ==> > > You have no class to be in a group of good human beings, > <== > ==> > > You need not read my mails fully, I do not throw pearls > > before ..... > <== > ==> > > My navamsha chart is in safe custody, and not meant to > > be dissected by any Tom,Dick or Harry. > <== > > Why come you such a misserable shit!!! > > Dear All, > I don't I think I should restrain from posting in this group when > such m* fuckers are present. Those who are interested in meterial I > provide can join the group and get it from there. > Bye > Sreenadh > > , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@> > wrote: > > > > Dea Sreenadhiji, > > > > My navamsha chart is in safe custody, and not meant to > > be dissected by any Tom,Dick or Harry.(I ask the members > > what need was there for him to talk or ask about > > my Navamsha chart ? Is this the man with > > whom you think you have done great discussions on astrological > > debates ?) > > > > Who says that the Navamsha chart is not made by South > > Indianpundits ? Only a 10 year old child may say that. > > Where have you seen them marking outside the chart ? > > > > Who says that amsha is to be only seen for the Lagna, > > and not the other Planets ? Have you ever made a Navamsha > > chart in your life ever ? If not then please learn it. It > > does not take more than 3 minutes to get the navamsha > > positions of the Lagn and the 9 Planets . Practise on 50 > > charts, and notice what you find striking in the > > navamsha positions in various degrees of the same planets, > > and the Nakshatra Lords. Come back to me with what you > > observe, and i will teach you some great knowledge which > > you may not find written in some book, but only comes > > with experience of watching navamsha charts. But you > > will have to touch my feet, bfore I agree to > > impart this knowledge to you. > > > > The navamsha Chart is just a graphical representation > > showing the positions of all he planets including the > > Lagna, so do not keep any bias towards it. just because > > you have no knowledge of opening the key. > > > > You want details for Dhruva nadi and devakeralam etc ? > > Am I your secretary to ive you details / > > And what would you do with them, write more articles > > with misrepresentations , > > to create furore and false recognition amongst > > gullible members made by making fool of them, givig > > free links > > that guide them to your Forum ? > > > > Pleas espare me the trouble. > > There are 2,75,000 verses in Dhruva Nadi, go to Mysore > > manuscripts Library to study those, and for devakaralam, > > if you can understand buy 3 volumes written by Shri > > Santhanamji, if you are able to understand these. > > > > Have you ever cut a watermelon in your life ? > > cut many pieces and place them in a plate, > > The whole watermelon would be available to you in > > ready to eat pieces on a single plate. > > > > That is what is a Navamsha chart. You may either > > make a chart or not make it, does not make any difference. > > Just learn to interpret the same, and spare me in future of > > ever having to reply you and waste my time ,please. > > > > I have no personal enmity with you, and do not wish > > to create any,so spare me please, and if you wish > > to continue, then i will not show my back, but > > it would be a waste of time and energy. > > > > Hope you will become wiser now, after having come > > in touch of me, and prove this by not > > replying back to me. > > > > regards, > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Sreenadh " <sreesog@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar ji, > > > Didn't you notice that all of them tell about the Amsha of Lagna and > > > not about any chart? For example- > > > > 1) Saravali -Kalyan Verma in Chapter 50 > > > > has given 109 verses on results of each rising Navamsha. > > > It is about the results to be predicted if the native's Lagna is in > > > some perticular Navamsa (=1/9th division of a sign). i.e, if the > > > native is born in some perticular navamsa (=1/9th of a sign). Here > > > the special reference is to 1/9th of Asc sign. > > > > 2) Nashta Jataka - related to Nadi Granthas has given > > > > notes on 108 Navamshas.,indicating place of birth. > > > There also the case is the same. The reference is to Lagna Navamsa > > > and not to any navamsa chart. > > > > 3) Yavan Jataka - Chapter 31 -there are > > > > 109 verses on navamsha occupied by Moon. > > > Same as above - the reference is to Lagna Navamsa and not to any > > > chart. > > > > 4) Nakshatra Chintamani - describes traits of a person > > > > based on Moons 108 Navamsha positions. > > > Phew! Same as above! How may examples you will try to misqote! > > > > 5) deva keralam > > > > 6) Dhruva Nadi > > > > > > Why, no details?! - Was it not available of difficualt to interpret? > > > > 7) Vidya Madhaviyam > > > > 8) Prasna Marg > > > > 9) Hora sara > > > Not even the son of Madhavacharya who wrote Chaturasundari never > > > argued so! Was he unaware that his father used a chart to read the > > > navamsa?!! Neither Prasnamarga's commentry by the auther himself, nor > > > the same unbroken guru-sishya parampara present even today tells or > > > argues like that - They are clear about the fact that Prasnamarga > > > tells only about Navamsa and not any chart. I think Pridhu Yasas must > > > have been well aware about the methods used by his father Varaha > > > Mihira. > > > > Vraddha Yavana Jatak (150 BC), Meena Raja, > > > > Sphuji Dhwaja, Varahamihir,Pruthuyasas, Kalyan > > > > Verma, Gunakar, Bala bhadra,Mansagari, all > > > > these authors have written about Navamsha > > > > totalling about 3000 verses. > > > Yes, all about Navamsa - where is your navamsha chart?! > > > > No astrologer in South India would touch a Rashi > > > > Chart without the Navamsha Chart.And most of the cream > > > > astrologers have been born in South India. > > > Do you ever been to south india and know their methods? I am a south > > > indian astrologer - with lot of exposure to southindian astrology. > > > They never use any seperate chart for navamsaha. But mark navamsha > > > out side the natal chart and use it in prediction effectively, as per > > > the directions given by the sages. They neither read the navamsa > > > chart seperately starting from Navamsha lagna, nor consider aspects > > > and houses in Navamsha. As per south indian tradition all aspects, > > > houses and transit would be considered in Natal chart alone. > > > > > > > Navamsha chart is the backbone (Meru danda) and > > > > the Rasi chart is the body (deha) only. > > > > Navamsha Chart is fruit and Rasi chart, the tree. > > > Please don't misinterpret. The sanskrit quote with similar meanings > > > just mention about Navamsha (1/9th of a sign) and Rasi (a sign); and > > > not any chart. > > > > > > > Navamsha chart is Sonography report and Rasi > > > > chart is the Xray only. > > > > Namasha chart is antar/bhukti and the Rasi chart > > > > is Maha Dasa. > > > > Navamsha chart is sookshma Vibhaga and rasi > > > > chart, sthoola vibhaga. > > > OK. That are your imaginations - that is ok. But the sanskrit > > > quote " Sukshma phalam Navamshad " only say " Navamsah " (1/9th of a > > > sign) and not any chart. > > > > > > I am tiered - it seems useless reading the remaining part of the > > > mail. > > > > > > Love, > > > Sreenadh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Importance of Navamsha in prediction > > > > > > > > If one talks about BPHS , > > > > if one talks about Karakamsha ie.Jamini. > > > > then we may talk of others too. > > > > > > > > 1) Saravali -Kalyan Verma in Chapter 50 > > > > has given 109 verses on results of each rising Navamsha. > > > > > > > > 2) Nashta Jataka - related to Nadi Granthas has given > > > > notes on 108 Navamshas.,indicating place of birth. > > > > > > > > 3) Yavan Jataka - Chapter 31 -there are > > > > 109 verses on navamsha occupied by Moon. > > > > > > > > 4) Nakshatra Chintamani - describes traits of a person > > > > based on Moons 108 Navamsha positions. > > > > > > > > 5) deva keralam > > > > > > > > 6) Dhruva Nadi > > > > > > > > 7) Vidya Madhaviyam > > > > > > > > 8) Prasna Marg > > > > > > > > 9) Hora sara > > > > > > > > all above books deal with Navamshas. > > > > > > > > Vraddha Yavana Jatak (150 BC), Meena Raja, > > > > Sphuji Dhwaja, Varahamihir,Pruthuyasas, Kalyan > > > > Verma, Gunakar, Bala bhadra,Mansagari, all > > > > these authors have written about Navamsha > > > > totalling about 3000 verses. > > > > > > > > No astrologer in South India would touch a Rashi > > > > Chart without the Navamsha Chart.And most of the cream > > > > astrologers have been born in South India. > > > > > > > > Navamsha chart is the backbone (Meru danda) and > > > > the Rasi chart is the body (deha) only. > > > > Navamsha Chart is fruit and Rasi chart, the tree. > > > > Navamsha chart is Sonography report and Rasi > > > > chart is the Xray only. > > > > Namasha chart is antar/bhukti and the Rasi chart > > > > is Maha Dasa. > > > > Navamsha chart is sookshma Vibhaga and rasi > > > > chart, sthoola vibhaga. > > > > > > > > All the above authors and the books written by them > > > > are too importnt to be ignored. The Navamsha chart > > > > is the most important chart along with the Bhava > > > > Chalit chart, for any traditional astrologer, if he > > > > wsihes to attain acumen in predicting. > > > > > > > > I remember my own case,2 times in my family at > > > > a certain point of transit in my Navamsha chart, by > > > > Saturn, as per the rules mentioned by the venerated, > > > > the events have materialised., I had to bear > > > > witness a death and a serious near death case > > > > of my own father. In fact I get scared to apply > > > > the rules now in the Navamsha chart.They are so > > > > perfect. > > > > > > > > The Kaivalya, or Moksha-Final > > > > liberation, is it not mentioned that > > > > Ketu has to be placed 12th in the > > > > Navamsha from the karakamsha > > > > Lagna ? > > > > > > > > Please correct me, if I am wrong. > > > > > > > > best wishes, > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 6, 2007 Report Share Posted July 6, 2007 Dear members It is highly intolerable language used by Sreenadh against Bhaskar on this forum. In protest to his abusive mail to Robert Koch on his forum (where he is moderator), I will be resigning from his forum also. I do not wish to participate in his forum, which is just filled with his ego - and other contributors are insulted - just because he is moderator. regards / Prafulla Gang http://www.prafulla.net " Men who never get carried away should be. " ************************************************ > > bhaskar_jyotish > Fri, 06 Jul 2007 17:13:59 -0000 > > Re: Importance of Navamsha in prediction > > Dear Sateesh, > > Its not becoming of you to take sides of people > who abuse on other members mothers, without > provocation. > > regards, > Bhaskar. > > > > , " Sateesh Batas " <makaras wrote: >> >> >> Dear Sreenadh, >> >> Right now, TR Ketu in Fiery Leo (at 14*30) is 100% casting > 9th-aspect on TR Mars in Fiery Aries (at 14*30). >> >> It really is a Shit time to take such major decisions, and it will > become a Crap group if you leave. >> >> So please reconsider. >> >> Thanks. >> >> ======== >> >> - >> Sreenadh >> >> Friday, July 06, 2007 5:49 PM >> Re: Importance of Navamsha in prediction >> >> >> Bhasker - Mr shit, >> You vomitted the following - >> ==> >>> You have no class to be in a group of good human beings, >> <== >> ==> >>> You need not read my mails fully, I do not throw pearls >>> before ..... >> <== >> ==> >>> My navamsha chart is in safe custody, and not meant to >>> be dissected by any Tom,Dick or Harry. >> <== >> >> Why come you such a misserable shit!!! >> >> Dear All, >> I don't I think I should restrain from posting in this group when >> such m* fuckers are present. Those who are interested in meterial I >> provide can join the group and get it from > there. >> Bye >> Sreenadh >> >> , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@> >> wrote: >>> >>> Dea Sreenadhiji, >>> >>> My navamsha chart is in safe custody, and not meant to >>> be dissected by any Tom,Dick or Harry.(I ask the members >>> what need was there for him to talk or ask about >>> my Navamsha chart ? Is this the man with >>> whom you think you have done great discussions on astrological >>> debates ?) >>> >>> Who says that the Navamsha chart is not made by South >>> Indianpundits ? Only a 10 year old child may say that. >>> Where have you seen them marking outside the chart ? >>> >>> Who says that amsha is to be only seen for the Lagna, >>> and not the other Planets ? Have you ever made a Navamsha >>> chart in your life ever ? If not then please learn it. It >>> does not take more than 3 minutes to get the navamsha >>> positions of the Lagn and the 9 Planets . Practise on 50 >>> charts, and notice what you find striking in the >>> navamsha positions in various degrees of the same planets, >>> and the Nakshatra Lords. Come back to me with what you >>> observe, and i will teach you some great knowledge which >>> you may not find written in some book, but only comes >>> with experience of watching navamsha charts. But you >>> will have to touch my feet, bfore I agree to >>> impart this knowledge to you. >>> >>> The navamsha Chart is just a graphical representation >>> showing the positions of all he planets including the >>> Lagna, so do not keep any bias towards it. just because >>> you have no knowledge of opening the key. >>> >>> You want details for Dhruva nadi and devakeralam etc ? >>> Am I your secretary to ive you details / >>> And what would you do with them, write more articles >>> with misrepresentations , >>> to create furore and false recognition amongst >>> gullible members made by making fool of them, givig >>> free links >>> that guide them to your Forum ? >>> >>> Pleas espare me the trouble. >>> There are 2,75,000 verses in Dhruva Nadi, go to Mysore >>> manuscripts Library to study those, and for devakaralam, >>> if you can understand buy 3 volumes written by Shri >>> Santhanamji, if you are able to understand these. >>> >>> Have you ever cut a watermelon in your life ? >>> cut many pieces and place them in a plate, >>> The whole watermelon would be available to you in >>> ready to eat pieces on a single plate. >>> >>> That is what is a Navamsha chart. You may either >>> make a chart or not make it, does not make any difference. >>> Just learn to interpret the same, and spare me in future of >>> ever having to reply you and waste my time ,please. >>> >>> I have no personal enmity with you, and do not wish >>> to create any,so spare me please, and if you wish >>> to continue, then i will not show my back, but >>> it would be a waste of time and energy. >>> >>> Hope you will become wiser now, after having come >>> in touch of me, and prove this by not >>> replying back to me. >>> >>> regards, >>> Bhaskar. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> , " Sreenadh " <sreesog@> wrote: >>>> >>>> Dear Bhaskar ji, >>>> Didn't you notice that all of them tell about the Amsha of Lagna > and >>>> not about any chart? For example- >>>>> 1) Saravali -Kalyan Verma in Chapter 50 >>>>> has given 109 verses on results of each rising Navamsha. >>>> It is about the results to be predicted if the native's Lagna is in >>>> some perticular Navamsa (=1/9th division of a sign). i.e, if the >>>> native is born in some perticular navamsa (=1/9th of a sign). Here >>>> the special reference is to 1/9th of Asc sign. >>>>> 2) Nashta Jataka - related to Nadi Granthas has given >>>>> notes on 108 Navamshas.,indicating place of birth. >>>> There also the case is the same. The reference is to Lagna Navamsa >>>> and not to any navamsa chart. >>>>> 3) Yavan Jataka - Chapter 31 -there are >>>>> 109 verses on navamsha occupied by Moon. >>>> Same as above - the reference is to Lagna Navamsa and not to any >>>> chart. >>>>> 4) Nakshatra Chintamani - describes traits of a person >>>>> based on Moons 108 Navamsha positions. >>>> Phew! Same as above! How may examples you will try to misqote! >>>>> 5) deva keralam >>>>> 6) Dhruva Nadi >>>> >>>> Why, no details?! - Was it not available of difficualt to interpret? >>>>> 7) Vidya Madhaviyam >>>>> 8) Prasna Marg >>>>> 9) Hora sara >>>> Not even the son of Madhavacharya who wrote Chaturasundari never >>>> argued so! Was he unaware that his father used a chart to read the >>>> navamsa?!! Neither Prasnamarga's commentry by the auther > himself, nor >>>> the same unbroken guru-sishya parampara present even today tells or >>>> argues like that - They are clear about the fact that Prasnamarga >>>> tells only about Navamsa and not any chart. I think Pridhu Yasas > must >>>> have been well aware about the methods used by his father Varaha >>>> Mihira. >>>>> Vraddha Yavana Jatak (150 BC), Meena Raja, >>>>> Sphuji Dhwaja, Varahamihir,Pruthuyasas, Kalyan >>>>> Verma, Gunakar, Bala bhadra,Mansagari, all >>>>> these authors have written about Navamsha >>>>> totalling about 3000 verses. >>>> Yes, all about Navamsa - where is your navamsha chart?! >>>>> No astrologer in South India would touch a Rashi >>>>> Chart without the Navamsha Chart.And most of the cream >>>>> astrologers have been born in South India. >>>> Do you ever been to south india and know their methods? I am a > south >>>> indian astrologer - with lot of exposure to southindian astrology. >>>> They never use any seperate chart for navamsaha. But mark navamsha >>>> out side the natal chart and use it in prediction effectively, > as per >>>> the directions given by the sages. They neither read the navamsa >>>> chart seperately starting from Navamsha lagna, nor consider aspects >>>> and houses in Navamsha. As per south indian tradition all aspects, >>>> houses and transit would be considered in Natal chart alone. >>>> >>>>> Navamsha chart is the backbone (Meru danda) and >>>>> the Rasi chart is the body (deha) only. >>>>> Navamsha Chart is fruit and Rasi chart, the tree. >>>> Please don't misinterpret. The sanskrit quote with similar meanings >>>> just mention about Navamsha (1/9th of a sign) and Rasi (a sign); > and >>>> not any chart. >>>> >>>>> Navamsha chart is Sonography report and Rasi >>>>> chart is the Xray only. >>>>> Namasha chart is antar/bhukti and the Rasi chart >>>>> is Maha Dasa. >>>>> Navamsha chart is sookshma Vibhaga and rasi >>>>> chart, sthoola vibhaga. >>>> OK. That are your imaginations - that is ok. But the sanskrit >>>> quote " Sukshma phalam Navamshad " only say " Navamsah " (1/9th of a >>>> sign) and not any chart. >>>> >>>> I am tiered - it seems useless reading the remaining part of the >>>> mail. >>>> >>>> Love, >>>> Sreenadh >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@> >>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Importance of Navamsha in prediction >>>>> >>>>> If one talks about BPHS , >>>>> if one talks about Karakamsha ie.Jamini. >>>>> then we may talk of others too. >>>>> >>>>> 1) Saravali -Kalyan Verma in Chapter 50 >>>>> has given 109 verses on results of each rising Navamsha. >>>>> >>>>> 2) Nashta Jataka - related to Nadi Granthas has given >>>>> notes on 108 Navamshas.,indicating place of birth. >>>>> >>>>> 3) Yavan Jataka - Chapter 31 -there are >>>>> 109 verses on navamsha occupied by Moon. >>>>> >>>>> 4) Nakshatra Chintamani - describes traits of a person >>>>> based on Moons 108 Navamsha positions. >>>>> >>>>> 5) deva keralam >>>>> >>>>> 6) Dhruva Nadi >>>>> >>>>> 7) Vidya Madhaviyam >>>>> >>>>> 8) Prasna Marg >>>>> >>>>> 9) Hora sara >>>>> >>>>> all above books deal with Navamshas. >>>>> >>>>> Vraddha Yavana Jatak (150 BC), Meena Raja, >>>>> Sphuji Dhwaja, Varahamihir,Pruthuyasas, Kalyan >>>>> Verma, Gunakar, Bala bhadra,Mansagari, all >>>>> these authors have written about Navamsha >>>>> totalling about 3000 verses. >>>>> >>>>> No astrologer in South India would touch a Rashi >>>>> Chart without the Navamsha Chart.And most of the cream >>>>> astrologers have been born in South India. >>>>> >>>>> Navamsha chart is the backbone (Meru danda) and >>>>> the Rasi chart is the body (deha) only. >>>>> Navamsha Chart is fruit and Rasi chart, the tree. >>>>> Navamsha chart is Sonography report and Rasi >>>>> chart is the Xray only. >>>>> Namasha chart is antar/bhukti and the Rasi chart >>>>> is Maha Dasa. >>>>> Navamsha chart is sookshma Vibhaga and rasi >>>>> chart, sthoola vibhaga. >>>>> >>>>> All the above authors and the books written by them >>>>> are too importnt to be ignored. The Navamsha chart >>>>> is the most important chart along with the Bhava >>>>> Chalit chart, for any traditional astrologer, if he >>>>> wsihes to attain acumen in predicting. >>>>> >>>>> I remember my own case,2 times in my family at >>>>> a certain point of transit in my Navamsha chart, by >>>>> Saturn, as per the rules mentioned by the venerated, >>>>> the events have materialised., I had to bear >>>>> witness a death and a serious near death case >>>>> of my own father. In fact I get scared to apply >>>>> the rules now in the Navamsha chart.They are so >>>>> perfect. >>>>> >>>>> The Kaivalya, or Moksha-Final >>>>> liberation, is it not mentioned that >>>>> Ketu has to be placed 12th in the >>>>> Navamsha from the karakamsha >>>>> Lagna ? >>>>> >>>>> Please correct me, if I am wrong. >>>>> >>>>> best wishes, >>>>> Bhaskar. >>>>> >>>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 6, 2007 Report Share Posted July 6, 2007 Dear Prafullaji, I admire your grit and manliness to speak against this man when none of the enuch memebers here could speak against him, yes I can take this man and his small base group of supporters very well, single handed, and take out the little water left in their bodies, but not doing so, just to respect the Moderator of this Forum, and to mantain my image, and also respect the seat on which I am sitting, not that I am incapabale of dealing with these termites with the sole of my shoes. thanks for upholding righteousness and Dharma. kind regards, Bhaskar. , Prafulla Gang <jyotish wrote: > > Dear members > > It is highly intolerable language used by Sreenadh against Bhaskar on this forum. > > In protest to his abusive mail to Robert Koch on his forum (where he is moderator), I will be resigning from his forum also. I do not wish to participate in his forum, which is just filled with his ego - and other contributors are insulted - just because he is moderator. > > regards / Prafulla Gang > http://www.prafulla.net > > " Men who never get carried away should be. " > ************************************************ > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish > > Fri, 06 Jul 2007 17:13:59 -0000 > > > > Re: Importance of Navamsha in prediction > > > > Dear Sateesh, > > > > Its not becoming of you to take sides of people > > who abuse on other members mothers, without > > provocation. > > > > regards, > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > , " Sateesh Batas " <makaras@> wrote: > >> > >> > >> Dear Sreenadh, > >> > >> Right now, TR Ketu in Fiery Leo (at 14*30) is 100% casting > > 9th-aspect on TR Mars in Fiery Aries (at 14*30). > >> > >> It really is a Shit time to take such major decisions, and it will > > become a Crap group if you leave. > >> > >> So please reconsider. > >> > >> Thanks. > >> > >> ======== > >> > >> - > >> Sreenadh > >> > >> Friday, July 06, 2007 5:49 PM > >> Re: Importance of Navamsha in prediction > >> > >> > >> Bhasker - Mr shit, > >> You vomitted the following - > >> ==> > >>> You have no class to be in a group of good human beings, > >> <== > >> ==> > >>> You need not read my mails fully, I do not throw pearls > >>> before ..... > >> <== > >> ==> > >>> My navamsha chart is in safe custody, and not meant to > >>> be dissected by any Tom,Dick or Harry. > >> <== > >> > >> Why come you such a misserable shit!!! > >> > >> Dear All, > >> I don't I think I should restrain from posting in this group when > >> such m* fuckers are present. Those who are interested in meterial I > >> provide can join the group and get it from > > there. > >> Bye > >> Sreenadh > >> > >> , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@> > >> wrote: > >>> > >>> Dea Sreenadhiji, > >>> > >>> My navamsha chart is in safe custody, and not meant to > >>> be dissected by any Tom,Dick or Harry.(I ask the members > >>> what need was there for him to talk or ask about > >>> my Navamsha chart ? Is this the man with > >>> whom you think you have done great discussions on astrological > >>> debates ?) > >>> > >>> Who says that the Navamsha chart is not made by South > >>> Indianpundits ? Only a 10 year old child may say that. > >>> Where have you seen them marking outside the chart ? > >>> > >>> Who says that amsha is to be only seen for the Lagna, > >>> and not the other Planets ? Have you ever made a Navamsha > >>> chart in your life ever ? If not then please learn it. It > >>> does not take more than 3 minutes to get the navamsha > >>> positions of the Lagn and the 9 Planets . Practise on 50 > >>> charts, and notice what you find striking in the > >>> navamsha positions in various degrees of the same planets, > >>> and the Nakshatra Lords. Come back to me with what you > >>> observe, and i will teach you some great knowledge which > >>> you may not find written in some book, but only comes > >>> with experience of watching navamsha charts. But you > >>> will have to touch my feet, bfore I agree to > >>> impart this knowledge to you. > >>> > >>> The navamsha Chart is just a graphical representation > >>> showing the positions of all he planets including the > >>> Lagna, so do not keep any bias towards it. just because > >>> you have no knowledge of opening the key. > >>> > >>> You want details for Dhruva nadi and devakeralam etc ? > >>> Am I your secretary to ive you details / > >>> And what would you do with them, write more articles > >>> with misrepresentations , > >>> to create furore and false recognition amongst > >>> gullible members made by making fool of them, givig > >>> free links > >>> that guide them to your Forum ? > >>> > >>> Pleas espare me the trouble. > >>> There are 2,75,000 verses in Dhruva Nadi, go to Mysore > >>> manuscripts Library to study those, and for devakaralam, > >>> if you can understand buy 3 volumes written by Shri > >>> Santhanamji, if you are able to understand these. > >>> > >>> Have you ever cut a watermelon in your life ? > >>> cut many pieces and place them in a plate, > >>> The whole watermelon would be available to you in > >>> ready to eat pieces on a single plate. > >>> > >>> That is what is a Navamsha chart. You may either > >>> make a chart or not make it, does not make any difference. > >>> Just learn to interpret the same, and spare me in future of > >>> ever having to reply you and waste my time ,please. > >>> > >>> I have no personal enmity with you, and do not wish > >>> to create any,so spare me please, and if you wish > >>> to continue, then i will not show my back, but > >>> it would be a waste of time and energy. > >>> > >>> Hope you will become wiser now, after having come > >>> in touch of me, and prove this by not > >>> replying back to me. > >>> > >>> regards, > >>> Bhaskar. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> , " Sreenadh " <sreesog@> wrote: > >>>> > >>>> Dear Bhaskar ji, > >>>> Didn't you notice that all of them tell about the Amsha of Lagna > > and > >>>> not about any chart? For example- > >>>>> 1) Saravali -Kalyan Verma in Chapter 50 > >>>>> has given 109 verses on results of each rising Navamsha. > >>>> It is about the results to be predicted if the native's Lagna is in > >>>> some perticular Navamsa (=1/9th division of a sign). i.e, if the > >>>> native is born in some perticular navamsa (=1/9th of a sign). Here > >>>> the special reference is to 1/9th of Asc sign. > >>>>> 2) Nashta Jataka - related to Nadi Granthas has given > >>>>> notes on 108 Navamshas.,indicating place of birth. > >>>> There also the case is the same. The reference is to Lagna Navamsa > >>>> and not to any navamsa chart. > >>>>> 3) Yavan Jataka - Chapter 31 -there are > >>>>> 109 verses on navamsha occupied by Moon. > >>>> Same as above - the reference is to Lagna Navamsa and not to any > >>>> chart. > >>>>> 4) Nakshatra Chintamani - describes traits of a person > >>>>> based on Moons 108 Navamsha positions. > >>>> Phew! Same as above! How may examples you will try to misqote! > >>>>> 5) deva keralam > >>>>> 6) Dhruva Nadi > >>>> > >>>> Why, no details?! - Was it not available of difficualt to interpret? > >>>>> 7) Vidya Madhaviyam > >>>>> 8) Prasna Marg > >>>>> 9) Hora sara > >>>> Not even the son of Madhavacharya who wrote Chaturasundari never > >>>> argued so! Was he unaware that his father used a chart to read the > >>>> navamsa?!! Neither Prasnamarga's commentry by the auther > > himself, nor > >>>> the same unbroken guru-sishya parampara present even today tells or > >>>> argues like that - They are clear about the fact that Prasnamarga > >>>> tells only about Navamsa and not any chart. I think Pridhu Yasas > > must > >>>> have been well aware about the methods used by his father Varaha > >>>> Mihira. > >>>>> Vraddha Yavana Jatak (150 BC), Meena Raja, > >>>>> Sphuji Dhwaja, Varahamihir,Pruthuyasas, Kalyan > >>>>> Verma, Gunakar, Bala bhadra,Mansagari, all > >>>>> these authors have written about Navamsha > >>>>> totalling about 3000 verses. > >>>> Yes, all about Navamsa - where is your navamsha chart?! > >>>>> No astrologer in South India would touch a Rashi > >>>>> Chart without the Navamsha Chart.And most of the cream > >>>>> astrologers have been born in South India. > >>>> Do you ever been to south india and know their methods? I am a > > south > >>>> indian astrologer - with lot of exposure to southindian astrology. > >>>> They never use any seperate chart for navamsaha. But mark navamsha > >>>> out side the natal chart and use it in prediction effectively, > > as per > >>>> the directions given by the sages. They neither read the navamsa > >>>> chart seperately starting from Navamsha lagna, nor consider aspects > >>>> and houses in Navamsha. As per south indian tradition all aspects, > >>>> houses and transit would be considered in Natal chart alone. > >>>> > >>>>> Navamsha chart is the backbone (Meru danda) and > >>>>> the Rasi chart is the body (deha) only. > >>>>> Navamsha Chart is fruit and Rasi chart, the tree. > >>>> Please don't misinterpret. The sanskrit quote with similar meanings > >>>> just mention about Navamsha (1/9th of a sign) and Rasi (a sign); > > and > >>>> not any chart. > >>>> > >>>>> Navamsha chart is Sonography report and Rasi > >>>>> chart is the Xray only. > >>>>> Namasha chart is antar/bhukti and the Rasi chart > >>>>> is Maha Dasa. > >>>>> Navamsha chart is sookshma Vibhaga and rasi > >>>>> chart, sthoola vibhaga. > >>>> OK. That are your imaginations - that is ok. But the sanskrit > >>>> quote " Sukshma phalam Navamshad " only say " Navamsah " (1/9th of a > >>>> sign) and not any chart. > >>>> > >>>> I am tiered - it seems useless reading the remaining part of the > >>>> mail. > >>>> > >>>> Love, > >>>> Sreenadh > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@> > >>>> wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>> Importance of Navamsha in prediction > >>>>> > >>>>> If one talks about BPHS , > >>>>> if one talks about Karakamsha ie.Jamini. > >>>>> then we may talk of others too. > >>>>> > >>>>> 1) Saravali -Kalyan Verma in Chapter 50 > >>>>> has given 109 verses on results of each rising Navamsha. > >>>>> > >>>>> 2) Nashta Jataka - related to Nadi Granthas has given > >>>>> notes on 108 Navamshas.,indicating place of birth. > >>>>> > >>>>> 3) Yavan Jataka - Chapter 31 -there are > >>>>> 109 verses on navamsha occupied by Moon. > >>>>> > >>>>> 4) Nakshatra Chintamani - describes traits of a person > >>>>> based on Moons 108 Navamsha positions. > >>>>> > >>>>> 5) deva keralam > >>>>> > >>>>> 6) Dhruva Nadi > >>>>> > >>>>> 7) Vidya Madhaviyam > >>>>> > >>>>> 8) Prasna Marg > >>>>> > >>>>> 9) Hora sara > >>>>> > >>>>> all above books deal with Navamshas. > >>>>> > >>>>> Vraddha Yavana Jatak (150 BC), Meena Raja, > >>>>> Sphuji Dhwaja, Varahamihir,Pruthuyasas, Kalyan > >>>>> Verma, Gunakar, Bala bhadra,Mansagari, all > >>>>> these authors have written about Navamsha > >>>>> totalling about 3000 verses. > >>>>> > >>>>> No astrologer in South India would touch a Rashi > >>>>> Chart without the Navamsha Chart.And most of the cream > >>>>> astrologers have been born in South India. > >>>>> > >>>>> Navamsha chart is the backbone (Meru danda) and > >>>>> the Rasi chart is the body (deha) only. > >>>>> Navamsha Chart is fruit and Rasi chart, the tree. > >>>>> Navamsha chart is Sonography report and Rasi > >>>>> chart is the Xray only. > >>>>> Namasha chart is antar/bhukti and the Rasi chart > >>>>> is Maha Dasa. > >>>>> Navamsha chart is sookshma Vibhaga and rasi > >>>>> chart, sthoola vibhaga. > >>>>> > >>>>> All the above authors and the books written by them > >>>>> are too importnt to be ignored. The Navamsha chart > >>>>> is the most important chart along with the Bhava > >>>>> Chalit chart, for any traditional astrologer, if he > >>>>> wsihes to attain acumen in predicting. > >>>>> > >>>>> I remember my own case,2 times in my family at > >>>>> a certain point of transit in my Navamsha chart, by > >>>>> Saturn, as per the rules mentioned by the venerated, > >>>>> the events have materialised., I had to bear > >>>>> witness a death and a serious near death case > >>>>> of my own father. In fact I get scared to apply > >>>>> the rules now in the Navamsha chart.They are so > >>>>> perfect. > >>>>> > >>>>> The Kaivalya, or Moksha-Final > >>>>> liberation, is it not mentioned that > >>>>> Ketu has to be placed 12th in the > >>>>> Navamsha from the karakamsha > >>>>> Lagna ? > >>>>> > >>>>> Please correct me, if I am wrong. > >>>>> > >>>>> best wishes, > >>>>> Bhaskar. > >>>>> > >>>> > >>> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 6, 2007 Report Share Posted July 6, 2007 Dear Bhaskar, Although I several times in the past defended you on this List, you have since (including today) proven unworthy of that defence. Also, it is not your place to tell me who to take sides with - after all, you did NOT say this when I took your side, did you?! Please understand your place. And do not try to tell me mine. Sateesh. ======== - Bhaskar Friday, July 06, 2007 6:13 PM Re: Importance of Navamsha in prediction Dear Sateesh, Its not becoming of you to take sides of people who abuse on other members mothers, without provocation. regards, Bhaskar. , " Sateesh Batas " <makaras wrote: > > > Dear Sreenadh, > > Right now, TR Ketu in Fiery Leo (at 14*30) is 100% casting 9th-aspect on TR Mars in Fiery Aries (at 14*30). > > It really is a Shit time to take such major decisions, and it will become a Crap group if you leave. > > So please reconsider. > > Thanks. > .. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 7, 2007 Report Share Posted July 7, 2007 Dear Sateesh, I neither needed your side yesterday nor today. I just meant that, without any reason, you were talking unnecessary things on that last mail to Sreenadh. If you spend that much time in learning the basics of Jamini, you could be a part of the discussion probably few years down the line, and contribute to astrology and the astrologers. Why are you people so much enamoured by using dirty words like " Shit " " Vomit " " Crap " " Motherf....r " etcetra. Is it that birds of the same feather flock together? Is this astrology you people are doing or trying to create a porn group over here ? Please talk astrology and not any other nonsense. Bhaskar. , " Sateesh Batas " <makaras wrote: > > > Dear Bhaskar, > > Although I several times in the past defended you on this List, you have since (including today) proven unworthy of that defence. > > Also, it is not your place to tell me who to take sides with - after all, you did NOT say this when I took your side, did you?! > > Please understand your place. And do not try to tell me mine. > > Sateesh. > > ======== > > - > Bhaskar > > Friday, July 06, 2007 6:13 PM > Re: Importance of Navamsha in prediction > > > Dear Sateesh, > > Its not becoming of you to take sides of people > who abuse on other members mothers, without > provocation. > > regards, > Bhaskar. > > , " Sateesh Batas " <makaras@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Sreenadh, > > > > Right now, TR Ketu in Fiery Leo (at 14*30) is 100% casting > 9th-aspect on TR Mars in Fiery Aries (at 14*30). > > > > It really is a Shit time to take such major decisions, and it will > become a Crap group if you leave. > > > > So please reconsider. > > > > Thanks. > > > . > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 7, 2007 Report Share Posted July 7, 2007 Dear Bhaskar, Stop trying to moderate the group. Things were peaceful since you left. You won't be missed if you leave again. Enough of your nonsensical hissy-fits too. Sateesh. ======== - Bhaskar Saturday, July 07, 2007 6:27 AM Re: Importance of Navamsha in prediction Dear Sateesh, I neither needed your side yesterday nor today. I just meant that, without any reason, you were talking unnecessary things on that last mail to Sreenadh. If you spend that much time in learning the basics of Jamini, you could be a part of the discussion probably few years down the line, and contribute to astrology and the astrologers. Why are you people so much enamoured by using dirty words like " Shit " " Vomit " " Crap " " Motherf....r " etcetra. Is it that birds of the same feather flock together? Is this astrology you people are doing or trying to create a porn group over here ? Please talk astrology and not any other nonsense. Bhaskar. , " Sateesh Batas " <makaras wrote: > > > Dear Bhaskar, > > Although I several times in the past defended you on this List, you have since (including today) proven unworthy of that defence. > > Also, it is not your place to tell me who to take sides with - after all, you did NOT say this when I took your side, did you?! > > Please understand your place. And do not try to tell me mine. > > Sateesh. Recent Activity a.. 8New Members Visit Your Group Finance It's Now Personal Guides, news, advice & more. Mail Next gen email? Try the all-new Mail Beta. Y! Messenger Instant hello Chat over IM with group members. .. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 7, 2007 Report Share Posted July 7, 2007 Boss, You are trying to instruct and moderate and not me. I certainly know I wont be missed if I leave, except by a few good people who wish to hear truth and bare facts. Why dont you open another Forum, and just remain there all by You, and your cronies together, enjoying no opposition to whatever you write or wish to speak. What great ketchups have you made while I was away, please enlighten. What enjoyment can you possibly have in discussion of astology all alone with a few from your circle ? Dont we get better inputs when more views come from many ? I have not asked anyone to leave and not treating this as self-owned Forum, the way you and one another member have tried to show by asking me to leave.. Are you the owner who can ask me to leave ? Though you have remained ininical towards me, yet I do not seek you to go away. What is left for the Pandavas, if the Kauravas leave ? Let Duryodhana and his brothers stay here. then only the Mahabharat can be enjoyed. okay pl.talk sense and astrology, and do not become personal., and we cant remove people whom we dislike, from society and relation circle, and live. Learn to adjust with all walk of people. That is what Life teaches. leave aside the temporary flings, and do not forget the basic essence is the same between all of us present here.Try not to harbor any feelings of zealousy,angerness, enmity towards anyone for long. keep compassion in your heart for all. Love, Bhaskar. , " Sateesh Batas " <makaras wrote: > > > Dear Bhaskar, > > Stop trying to moderate the group. Things were peaceful since you left. You won't be missed if you leave again. > > Enough of your nonsensical hissy-fits too. > > Sateesh. > > ======== > > - > Bhaskar > > Saturday, July 07, 2007 6:27 AM > Re: Importance of Navamsha in prediction > > > Dear Sateesh, > > I neither needed your side yesterday nor today. > > I just meant that, without any reason, you > were talking unnecessary things on that last mail > to Sreenadh. > > If you spend that much time in learning the > basics of Jamini, you > could be a part of the discussion probably > few years down the line, and contribute > to astrology and the astrologers. > > Why are you people so much enamoured by > using dirty words like " Shit " " Vomit " > " Crap " " Motherf....r " etcetra. Is it that > birds of the same feather flock together? > Is this astrology you people are doing or > trying to create a porn group over here ? > > Please talk astrology and not any other nonsense. > > Bhaskar. > > , " Sateesh Batas " <makaras@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar, > > > > Although I several times in the past defended you on this List, you > have since (including today) proven unworthy of that defence. > > > > Also, it is not your place to tell me who to take sides with - after > all, you did NOT say this when I took your side, did you?! > > > > Please understand your place. And do not try to tell me mine. > > > > Sateesh. > > Recent Activity > a.. 8New Members > Visit Your Group > Finance > It's Now Personal > > Guides, news, > > advice & more. > > Mail > Next gen email? > > Try the all-new > > Mail Beta. > > Y! Messenger > Instant hello > > Chat over IM with > > group members. > . > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 7, 2007 Report Share Posted July 7, 2007 If you bother reading backwards on this thread, to my first post - I did not attack you - on the other hand, it was not your place to tell me what to write to Sreenadh. You also failed to see the astrological point and humour in my post to Sreenadh. Did you not see the astrological point I made about Ketu afflicting Mars? Anyway, I am adding your posts to my blocked list, since your posts are generally not of any astrological content, but rather of sabre-rattling. ======== - Bhaskar Saturday, July 07, 2007 12:13 PM Re: Importance of Navamsha in prediction Boss, You are trying to instruct and moderate and not me. I certainly know I wont be missed if I leave, except by a few good people who wish to hear truth and bare facts. Why dont you open another Forum, and just remain there all by You, and your cronies together, enjoying no opposition to whatever you write or wish to speak. What great ketchups have you made while I was away, please enlighten. What enjoyment can you possibly have in discussion of astology all alone with a few from your circle ? Dont we get better inputs when more views come from many ? I have not asked anyone to leave and not treating this as self-owned Forum, the way you and one another member have tried to show by asking me to leave.. Are you the owner who can ask me to leave ? Though you have remained ininical towards me, yet I do not seek you to go away. What is left for the Pandavas, if the Kauravas leave ? Let Duryodhana and his brothers stay here. then only the Mahabharat can be enjoyed. okay pl.talk sense and astrology, and do not become personal., and we cant remove people whom we dislike, from society and relation circle, and live. Learn to adjust with all walk of people. That is what Life teaches. leave aside the temporary flings, and do not forget the basic essence is the same between all of us present here.Try not to harbor any feelings of zealousy,angerness, enmity towards anyone for long. keep compassion in your heart for all. Love, Bhaskar. , " Sateesh Batas " <makaras wrote: > > > Dear Bhaskar, > > Stop trying to moderate the group. Things were peaceful since you left. You won't be missed if you leave again. > > Enough of your nonsensical hissy-fits too. > > Sateesh. Recent Activity a.. 8New Members Visit Your Group Finance It's Now Personal Guides, news, advice & more. Y! Messenger PC-to-PC calls Call your friends worldwide - free! Mail Next gen email? Try the all-new Mail Beta. .. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 7, 2007 Report Share Posted July 7, 2007 Sir, as you may think right, You may do. regards/Bhaskar. , " Sateesh Batas " <makaras wrote: > > > If you bother reading backwards on this thread, to my first post - I did not attack you - on the other hand, it was not your place to tell me what to write to Sreenadh. > > You also failed to see the astrological point and humour in my post to Sreenadh. > > Did you not see the astrological point I made about Ketu afflicting Mars? > > Anyway, I am adding your posts to my blocked list, since your posts are generally not of any astrological content, but rather of sabre-rattling. > > ======== > > > > - > Bhaskar > > Saturday, July 07, 2007 12:13 PM > Re: Importance of Navamsha in prediction > > > Boss, > > You are trying to instruct and moderate and not me. > I certainly know I wont be missed if I leave, > except by a few good people > who wish to hear truth and bare facts. > Why dont you open another Forum, and just > remain there all by You, and your cronies together, > enjoying no opposition to whatever you write or > wish to speak. > > What great ketchups have you made while I was > away, please enlighten. > > What enjoyment can you possibly have in discussion > of astology all alone with a few from your circle ? > Dont we get better inputs when more views come from > many ? > > I have not asked anyone to leave and not treating this > as self-owned Forum, the way you and one another member > have tried to show by asking me to leave.. > Are you the owner who can ask me to leave ? > > Though you have remained ininical towards me, yet I do > not seek you to go away. What is left for the Pandavas, > if the Kauravas leave ? > > Let Duryodhana and his brothers stay here. then only the > Mahabharat can be enjoyed. > > okay pl.talk sense and astrology, and do not become > personal., and we cant remove people whom we dislike, > from society and relation circle, and live. > > Learn to adjust with all walk of people. That is what > Life teaches. leave aside the temporary flings, > and do not forget the basic essence is the same between > all of us present here.Try not to harbor any > feelings of zealousy,angerness, enmity towards anyone > for long. keep compassion in your heart for all. > > Love, > Bhaskar. > > , " Sateesh Batas " <makaras@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar, > > > > Stop trying to moderate the group. Things were peaceful since you > left. You won't be missed if you leave again. > > > > Enough of your nonsensical hissy-fits too. > > > > Sateesh. > > Recent Activity > a.. 8New Members > Visit Your Group > Finance > It's Now Personal > > Guides, news, > > advice & more. > > Y! Messenger > PC-to-PC calls > > Call your friends > > worldwide - free! > > Mail > Next gen email? > > Try the all-new > > Mail Beta. > . > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 7, 2007 Report Share Posted July 7, 2007 I was quite enjoying the debate on the use of Navamsa as a chart: Sreenadh and Pardeepji arguing the case equally as well as Chandrashekarji and more recently Bhaskerji. Please can this carry on in the lines prompted by Prafalluaji (i.e. back up theories with case study examples). Let all shed ego and the creation of divisions and share knowledge and techniques. In my experience I found the D-charts to work well (when birthtime is reliable) in combination with the Rasi. Anyone who uses the ATP method would easily be able to see how powerful the use of houses within D-charts is. Just for those members who don't to anceint_Indian_Astrology (Sreenadh's group) : I regularly read this list and there the accusation of insulting Robert Koch is hugely exaggerated. There was just a word or so mentioned with some sarcasm in a debate. Let us not join hand in false character assassination. , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: > > > Sir, > > as you may think right, You may do. > > regards/Bhaskar. > > > > > , " Sateesh Batas " <makaras@> wrote: > > > > > > If you bother reading backwards on this thread, to my first post - I > did not attack you - on the other hand, it was not your place to tell > me what to write to Sreenadh. > > > > You also failed to see the astrological point and humour in my post > to Sreenadh. > > > > Did you not see the astrological point I made about Ketu afflicting > Mars? > > > > Anyway, I am adding your posts to my blocked list, since your posts > are generally not of any astrological content, but rather of > sabre-rattling. > > > > ======== > > > > > > > > - > > Bhaskar > > > > Saturday, July 07, 2007 12:13 PM > > Re: Importance of Navamsha in prediction > > > > > > Boss, > > > > You are trying to instruct and moderate and not me. > > I certainly know I wont be missed if I leave, > > except by a few good people > > who wish to hear truth and bare facts. > > Why dont you open another Forum, and just > > remain there all by You, and your cronies together, > > enjoying no opposition to whatever you write or > > wish to speak. > > > > What great ketchups have you made while I was > > away, please enlighten. > > > > What enjoyment can you possibly have in discussion > > of astology all alone with a few from your circle ? > > Dont we get better inputs when more views come from > > many ? > > > > I have not asked anyone to leave and not treating this > > as self-owned Forum, the way you and one another member > > have tried to show by asking me to leave.. > > Are you the owner who can ask me to leave ? > > > > Though you have remained ininical towards me, yet I do > > not seek you to go away. What is left for the Pandavas, > > if the Kauravas leave ? > > > > Let Duryodhana and his brothers stay here. then only the > > Mahabharat can be enjoyed. > > > > okay pl.talk sense and astrology, and do not become > > personal., and we cant remove people whom we dislike, > > from society and relation circle, and live. > > > > Learn to adjust with all walk of people. That is what > > Life teaches. leave aside the temporary flings, > > and do not forget the basic essence is the same between > > all of us present here.Try not to harbor any > > feelings of zealousy,angerness, enmity towards anyone > > for long. keep compassion in your heart for all. > > > > Love, > > Bhaskar. > > > > , " Sateesh Batas " <makaras@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar, > > > > > > Stop trying to moderate the group. Things were peaceful since you > > left. You won't be missed if you leave again. > > > > > > Enough of your nonsensical hissy-fits too. > > > > > > Sateesh. > > > > Recent Activity > > a.. 8New Members > > Visit Your Group > > Finance > > It's Now Personal > > > > Guides, news, > > > > advice & more. > > > > Y! Messenger > > PC-to-PC calls > > > > Call your friends > > > > worldwide - free! > > > > Mail > > Next gen email? > > > > Try the all-new > > > > Mail Beta. > > . > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 8, 2007 Report Share Posted July 8, 2007 , " Sreenadh " <sreesog wrote: > > Dear All, > I don't I think I should restrain from posting in this group when > such m* fuckers are present. Those who are interested in meterial I > provide can join the group and get it from there. You mean you think you should restrain, right? PJ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 8, 2007 Report Share Posted July 8, 2007 , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: > > Dear Sateesh, > > Its not becoming of you to take sides of people > who abuse on other members mothers, without > provocation. > > regards, > Bhaskar. If you reread Sreenadh's expletive, it was abusive yes but not of anyone's mother. PJ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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