Birth Time Rectification exercise - error?

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Dear Sreendah,

 

I was going through your doucment step by step redoing the

calculations myself to understand the procedure better. I seem

to have noticed an error. Please correct me if I am wrong:

 

In Step 2, the Mathematical part you write:

 

Sunrise Time : 6.01 AM (Tip of the sun truly on the eastern

horizon)

Sunset Time : 6.31 PM (Previous day)

Day Time Duration (Night) : 6.01 (+12.00) - 6.31 = 11.30 Hours

Yama Duration : 11.30 / 8 = 86 min = 1.26 hours

7th Yama = 4.33 to 5.59 AM

 

Please note that what you stated as 7th Yama is actually 8th

Yama, the last one. The end time is 5:59 and the Sun rise time

is 6:01. The difference in two minutes could be due to rounding

off error.

 

Please check this and let me know if my understanding is not

correct.

 

Regards,

Krishna

 

--- Sreenadh <sreesog wrote:

 

> Dear Krishna ji,

> ==>

> > I too to the view that Navamsa chart is

> > as important as Rasi chart.

> <==

> * There is not Navamsa " chart " , but only Navamsa. Navamsa

> chart is

> not as important as Rasi chart and it can never be, because it

> is

> only an amsa. But yes, it is more important than other amsas

> due to

> the prior said reasons.

> ==>

> > - Why strength of a planet is Navamsa determines the overall

> > strength of a planet?

> <==

> * Because the quality of earth determines the strength of

> the

> plant. This is applicable to all amsas as per their

> importance.

> ==>

> > - Why it is allowed to consider aspects in Navamsa chart

> like

> > aspects in a Rasi chart?

> <==

> * No, it is not allowed to consider aspects in Navamsa.

> (There is

> no navamsa 'chart'.)

>

> ==>

> > - Why sambandha of planets in Navamsa chart can be treated

> as if

> > the planets have a sambandha in Rasi chart?

> <==

> * No, when planets have sambandha in Navamsa, it only means

> that.

> When they have sombandha in Rasi, it only means that. It is

> wrong to

> mix the two.

> ==>

> > - Why yogas should be looked at in navamsa chart as well?

> <==

> * No, Yogas should not be looked in Navamsa 'chart'. But yes

> yoga in

> Navamsa (not navamsa 'chart') can be taken yoga. Because it is

> the

> same principles as used in Rasi that are used to predict the

> result

> in Amsas as well - But Aspect(Drishti) and houses are not

> applicable

> to amsas. Both Aspect(Drishti) and Houses should be considered

> in

> Rasi chart itself. Any reference in ancient texts about aspect

> or

> houses essentially mean that they are referring to Rasi chart.

> Love,

> Sreenadh

>

> , Krishnamurthy Seetharama

> <krishna_1998 wrote:

> >

> > Dear Kolachina ji,

> >

> > It was interesting to read your comments on importance of

> the

> > Navamsa chart. I too to the view that Navamsa

> chart is

> > as important as Rasi chart. This is based on my experience

> so

> > far reading charts. However, I have still not understood

> what

> > are the fundamental reasons for a varga chart being so

> > important.

> >

> > - Why strength of a planet is Navamsa determines the overall

> > strength of a planet?

> > - Why it is allowed to consider aspects in Navamsa chart

> like

> > aspects in a Rasi chart?

> > - Why sambandha of planets in Navamsa chart can be treated

> as if

> > the planets have a sambandha in Rasi chart?

> > - Why yogas should be looked at in navamsa chart as well?

> >

> > By looking at the kind of importance given to Navamsa chart,

> it

> > appears that the Rasi chart and Navamsa chart make up two

> equal

> > halves representing the native.

> >

> > I have no doubts about the importance of Navamsa Chart. What

> I

> > would like to know is why Navamsa gains such an importance?

> What

> > are the fundamental reasons? After all it is one of many

> varga

> > charts!

> >

> > Regards,

> > Krishna

> >

> > --- Satya Sai Kolachina <skolachi wrote:

> >

> > > Dear Sri Pradeep and Sri Chandrasekhar,

> > >

> > > I have been following this thread on karakamsa and both of

> > > your

> > > contributions.

> > >

> > > I whole-heartedly appreciate both of you for your valuable

> > > inputs

> > > you are providing to the astrological community. I would

> like

> > > to

> > > share my opinion (through my own experience).

> > >

> > > Considering Karakamsa from either Rasi or Navamsa chart

> alone

> > > most

> > > probably leads to erroneous results, as I found both the

> > > approaches

> > > working. I see the point Pradeep is making as very

> valuable;

> > > at the

> > > same time I am not against using Navamsa chart as separate

> > > chart (of

> > > course without losing the context of the Rasi chart),

> since

> > > any of

> > > the varga charts will not give independent results if the

> Rasi

> > > chart

> > > is ignored, as they themselves do not exist if the Rasi

> chart

> > > doesn't exist. In fact Sri KN Rao also mentioned in

> several

> > > occassions in many of his articles and books that yogas

> viewed

> > > in

> > > the Rasi chart should also exist in the Navamsa chart for

> > > confirming

> > > the results. If we do not see the Navamsa chart as a

> separate

> > > chart,

> > > how can we see the yogas therein? For the purpose of

> checking

> > > some

> > > yogas, Yuti and Veekshana (conjunction and aspects) in the

> > > navamsa

> > > chart make sense. This kind of yuti or veekshana should be

>

> > > considered on a hypothetical level (as mutual influence at

> the

> > > amsha level) rather than being within a 30 deg. span. of

> Rasi.

> > >

> > > Take an example. If a planet is exlated or in own house in

> the

> > > rasi

> > > chart and attains debilitation in the Navamsa chart, it is

> > > condiered

> > > as weakening of the actual strength shown in the Rasi. Why

> is

> > > this

> > > considered so? It is considered like that because, even

> though

> > > the

> > > planet is within its own or exlated rasi, still its

> > > positioning

> > > within that particular sector (here navamsa) has weakened

> it;

> > > means,

> > > within its own rasi, this particular sector is the weakest

> > > point for

> > > the planet within the strongest rasi; hence it loses its

> > > strength

> > > considerably. This means there is a gradation of strengths

> for

> > > the

> > > planet from first navamsa to the last navamsa. The navamsa

> > > position

> > > of a planet, thus indicates its refined placement within

> the

> > > rasi.

> > > In fact, Sri KN Rao also gives equal weightage to both the

> > > Rasi and

> > > Navamsa placement of a planet. If a planet is weak in one

> of

> > > them

> > > that means half the weightage is lost. We may not give the

> > > same

> > > level of treatment to other vargas as we give to Navamsa;

> but

> > > Navamsa is as important as the Rasi; to the extent that it

> can

> > > be

> > > viewed as an independent chart (to confirm the promise

> given

> > > by the

> > > rasi chart).

> > >

>

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Dear Krishna ji,

Yes, you are right - I verified it. I will correct it or remove

that document itself from that file section. But hope, it still

serves the purpose of conveying the method to be used.

 

P.S 1: You should have posted this message in the `ancient Indian

astrology' group; the file is present in the files section of the

same.

P.S 2: That document is just an example. A detailed document

regarding the BT rectification methods I would be uploading by

Saturday, in the said group.

 

Love,

Sreenadh

 

, Krishnamurthy Seetharama

<krishna_1998 wrote:

>

> Dear Sreendah,

>

> I was going through your doucment step by step redoing the

> calculations myself to understand the procedure better. I seem

> to have noticed an error. Please correct me if I am wrong:

>

> In Step 2, the Mathematical part you write:

>

> Sunrise Time : 6.01 AM (Tip of the sun truly on the eastern

> horizon)

> Sunset Time : 6.31 PM (Previous day)

> Day Time Duration (Night) : 6.01 (+12.00) - 6.31 = 11.30 Hours

> Yama Duration : 11.30 / 8 = 86 min = 1.26 hours

> 7th Yama = 4.33 to 5.59 AM

>

> Please note that what you stated as 7th Yama is actually 8th

> Yama, the last one. The end time is 5:59 and the Sun rise time

> is 6:01. The difference in two minutes could be due to rounding

> off error.

>

> Please check this and let me know if my understanding is not

> correct.

>

> Regards,

> Krishna

>

> --- Sreenadh <sreesog wrote:

>

> > Dear Krishna ji,

> > ==>

> > > I too to the view that Navamsa chart is

> > > as important as Rasi chart.

> > <==

> > * There is not Navamsa " chart " , but only Navamsa. Navamsa

> > chart is

> > not as important as Rasi chart and it can never be, because it

> > is

> > only an amsa. But yes, it is more important than other amsas

> > due to

> > the prior said reasons.

> > ==>

> > > - Why strength of a planet is Navamsa determines the overall

> > > strength of a planet?

> > <==

> > * Because the quality of earth determines the strength of

> > the

> > plant. This is applicable to all amsas as per their

> > importance.

> > ==>

> > > - Why it is allowed to consider aspects in Navamsa chart

> > like

> > > aspects in a Rasi chart?

> > <==

> > * No, it is not allowed to consider aspects in Navamsa.

> > (There is

> > no navamsa 'chart'.)

> >

> > ==>

> > > - Why sambandha of planets in Navamsa chart can be treated

> > as if

> > > the planets have a sambandha in Rasi chart?

> > <==

> > * No, when planets have sambandha in Navamsa, it only means

> > that.

> > When they have sombandha in Rasi, it only means that. It is

> > wrong to

> > mix the two.

> > ==>

> > > - Why yogas should be looked at in navamsa chart as well?

> > <==

> > * No, Yogas should not be looked in Navamsa 'chart'. But yes

> > yoga in

> > Navamsa (not navamsa 'chart') can be taken yoga. Because it is

> > the

> > same principles as used in Rasi that are used to predict the

> > result

> > in Amsas as well - But Aspect(Drishti) and houses are not

> > applicable

> > to amsas. Both Aspect(Drishti) and Houses should be considered

> > in

> > Rasi chart itself. Any reference in ancient texts about aspect

> > or

> > houses essentially mean that they are referring to Rasi chart.

> > Love,

> > Sreenadh

> >

> > , Krishnamurthy Seetharama

> > <krishna_1998@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Kolachina ji,

> > >

> > > It was interesting to read your comments on importance of

> > the

> > > Navamsa chart. I too to the view that Navamsa

> > chart is

> > > as important as Rasi chart. This is based on my experience

> > so

> > > far reading charts. However, I have still not understood

> > what

> > > are the fundamental reasons for a varga chart being so

> > > important.

> > >

> > > - Why strength of a planet is Navamsa determines the overall

> > > strength of a planet?

> > > - Why it is allowed to consider aspects in Navamsa chart

> > like

> > > aspects in a Rasi chart?

> > > - Why sambandha of planets in Navamsa chart can be treated

> > as if

> > > the planets have a sambandha in Rasi chart?

> > > - Why yogas should be looked at in navamsa chart as well?

> > >

> > > By looking at the kind of importance given to Navamsa chart,

> > it

> > > appears that the Rasi chart and Navamsa chart make up two

> > equal

> > > halves representing the native.

> > >

> > > I have no doubts about the importance of Navamsa Chart. What

> > I

> > > would like to know is why Navamsa gains such an importance?

> > What

> > > are the fundamental reasons? After all it is one of many

> > varga

> > > charts!

> > >

> > > Regards,

> > > Krishna

> > >

> > > --- Satya Sai Kolachina <skolachi@> wrote:

> > >

> > > > Dear Sri Pradeep and Sri Chandrasekhar,

> > > >

> > > > I have been following this thread on karakamsa and both of

> > > > your

> > > > contributions.

> > > >

> > > > I whole-heartedly appreciate both of you for your valuable

> > > > inputs

> > > > you are providing to the astrological community. I would

> > like

> > > > to

> > > > share my opinion (through my own experience).

> > > >

> > > > Considering Karakamsa from either Rasi or Navamsa chart

> > alone

> > > > most

> > > > probably leads to erroneous results, as I found both the

> > > > approaches

> > > > working. I see the point Pradeep is making as very

> > valuable;

> > > > at the

> > > > same time I am not against using Navamsa chart as separate

> > > > chart (of

> > > > course without losing the context of the Rasi chart),

> > since

> > > > any of

> > > > the varga charts will not give independent results if the

> > Rasi

> > > > chart

> > > > is ignored, as they themselves do not exist if the Rasi

> > chart

> > > > doesn't exist. In fact Sri KN Rao also mentioned in

> > several

> > > > occassions in many of his articles and books that yogas

> > viewed

> > > > in

> > > > the Rasi chart should also exist in the Navamsa chart for

> > > > confirming

> > > > the results. If we do not see the Navamsa chart as a

> > separate

> > > > chart,

> > > > how can we see the yogas therein? For the purpose of

> > checking

> > > > some

> > > > yogas, Yuti and Veekshana (conjunction and aspects) in the

> > > > navamsa

> > > > chart make sense. This kind of yuti or veekshana should be

> >

> > > > considered on a hypothetical level (as mutual influence at

> > the

> > > > amsha level) rather than being within a 30 deg. span. of

> > Rasi.

> > > >

> > > > Take an example. If a planet is exlated or in own house in

> > the

> > > > rasi

> > > > chart and attains debilitation in the Navamsa chart, it is

> > > > condiered

> > > > as weakening of the actual strength shown in the Rasi. Why

> > is

> > > > this

> > > > considered so? It is considered like that because, even

> > though

> > > > the

> > > > planet is within its own or exlated rasi, still its

> > > > positioning

> > > > within that particular sector (here navamsa) has weakened

> > it;

> > > > means,

> > > > within its own rasi, this particular sector is the weakest

> > > > point for

> > > > the planet within the strongest rasi; hence it loses its

> > > > strength

> > > > considerably. This means there is a gradation of strengths

> > for

> > > > the

> > > > planet from first navamsa to the last navamsa. The navamsa

> > > > position

> > > > of a planet, thus indicates its refined placement within

> > the

> > > > rasi.

> > > > In fact, Sri KN Rao also gives equal weightage to both the

> > > > Rasi and

> > > > Navamsa placement of a planet. If a planet is weak in one

> > of

> > > > them

> > > > that means half the weightage is lost. We may not give the

> > > > same

> > > > level of treatment to other vargas as we give to Navamsa;

> > but

> > > > Navamsa is as important as the Rasi; to the extent that it

> > can

> > > > be

> > > > viewed as an independent chart (to confirm the promise

> > given

> > > > by the

> > > > rasi chart).

> > > >

> >

> === message truncated ===

>

>

>

>

>

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Dear Sreendh,

 

Yes, I should have posted that message in the other forum.

Actually, I did not choose this forum deliberately. I picked one

of your messages in my inbox, pressed reply button and changed

the subject to post the message. I did not pay attention to the

name of the list. Sorry.

 

Yes, definitely the document was useful. I will wait for your

updated document.

 

Regards,

Krishna

 

--- Sreenadh <sreesog wrote:

 

> Dear Krishna ji,

> Yes, you are right - I verified it. I will correct it or

> remove

> that document itself from that file section. But hope, it

> still

> serves the purpose of conveying the method to be used.

>

> P.S 1: You should have posted this message in the `ancient

> Indian

> astrology' group; the file is present in the files section of

> the

> same.

> P.S 2: That document is just an example. A detailed document

> regarding the BT rectification methods I would be uploading by

>

> Saturday, in the said group.

>

> Love,

> Sreenadh

>

> , Krishnamurthy Seetharama

> <krishna_1998 wrote:

> >

> > Dear Sreendah,

> >

> > I was going through your doucment step by step redoing the

> > calculations myself to understand the procedure better. I

> seem

> > to have noticed an error. Please correct me if I am wrong:

> >

> > In Step 2, the Mathematical part you write:

> >

> > Sunrise Time : 6.01 AM (Tip of the sun truly on the eastern

> > horizon)

> > Sunset Time : 6.31 PM (Previous day)

> > Day Time Duration (Night) : 6.01 (+12.00) - 6.31 = 11.30

> Hours

> > Yama Duration : 11.30 / 8 = 86 min = 1.26 hours

> > 7th Yama = 4.33 to 5.59 AM

> >

> > Please note that what you stated as 7th Yama is actually 8th

> > Yama, the last one. The end time is 5:59 and the Sun rise

> time

> > is 6:01. The difference in two minutes could be due to

> rounding

> > off error.

> >

> > Please check this and let me know if my understanding is not

> > correct.

> >

> > Regards,

> > Krishna

> >

> > --- Sreenadh <sreesog wrote:

> >

> > > Dear Krishna ji,

> > > ==>

> > > > I too to the view that Navamsa chart is

> > > > as important as Rasi chart.

> > > <==

> > > * There is not Navamsa " chart " , but only Navamsa. Navamsa

> > > chart is

> > > not as important as Rasi chart and it can never be,

> because it

> > > is

> > > only an amsa. But yes, it is more important than other

> amsas

> > > due to

> > > the prior said reasons.

> > > ==>

> > > > - Why strength of a planet is Navamsa determines the

> overall

> > > > strength of a planet?

> > > <==

> > > * Because the quality of earth determines the strength

> of

> > > the

> > > plant. This is applicable to all amsas as per their

> > > importance.

> > > ==>

> > > > - Why it is allowed to consider aspects in Navamsa chart

> > > like

> > > > aspects in a Rasi chart?

> > > <==

> > > * No, it is not allowed to consider aspects in Navamsa.

> > > (There is

> > > no navamsa 'chart'.)

> > >

> > > ==>

> > > > - Why sambandha of planets in Navamsa chart can be

> treated

> > > as if

> > > > the planets have a sambandha in Rasi chart?

> > > <==

> > > * No, when planets have sambandha in Navamsa, it only

> means

> > > that.

> > > When they have sombandha in Rasi, it only means that. It

> is

> > > wrong to

> > > mix the two.

> > > ==>

> > > > - Why yogas should be looked at in navamsa chart as

> well?

> > > <==

> > > * No, Yogas should not be looked in Navamsa 'chart'. But

> yes

> > > yoga in

> > > Navamsa (not navamsa 'chart') can be taken yoga. Because

> it is

> > > the

> > > same principles as used in Rasi that are used to predict

> the

> > > result

> > > in Amsas as well - But Aspect(Drishti) and houses are not

> > > applicable

> > > to amsas. Both Aspect(Drishti) and Houses should be

> considered

> > > in

> > > Rasi chart itself. Any reference in ancient texts about

> aspect

> > > or

> > > houses essentially mean that they are referring to Rasi

> chart.

> > > Love,

> > > Sreenadh

> > >

> > > , Krishnamurthy

> Seetharama

> > > <krishna_1998@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Kolachina ji,

> > > >

> > > > It was interesting to read your comments on importance

> of

> > > the

> > > > Navamsa chart. I too to the view that Navamsa

> > > chart is

> > > > as important as Rasi chart. This is based on my

> experience

> > > so

> > > > far reading charts. However, I have still not understood

> > > what

> > > > are the fundamental reasons for a varga chart being so

> > > > important.

> > > >

> > > > - Why strength of a planet is Navamsa determines the

> overall

> > > > strength of a planet?

> > > > - Why it is allowed to consider aspects in Navamsa chart

> > > like

> > > > aspects in a Rasi chart?

> > > > - Why sambandha of planets in Navamsa chart can be

> treated

> > > as if

> > > > the planets have a sambandha in Rasi chart?

> > > > - Why yogas should be looked at in navamsa chart as

> well?

> > > >

> > > > By looking at the kind of importance given to Navamsa

> chart,

> > > it

> > > > appears that the Rasi chart and Navamsa chart make up

> two

> > > equal

> > > > halves representing the native.

> > > >

> > > > I have no doubts about the importance of Navamsa Chart.

> What

> > > I

> > > > would like to know is why Navamsa gains such an

> importance?

> > > What

> > > > are the fundamental reasons? After all it is one of many

> > > varga

> > > > charts!

> > > >

> > > > Regards,

> > > > Krishna

> > > >

> > > > --- Satya Sai Kolachina <skolachi@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > > Dear Sri Pradeep and Sri Chandrasekhar,

> > > > >

> > > > > I have been following this thread on karakamsa and

> both of

> > > > > your

> > > > > contributions.

> > > > >

> > > > > I whole-heartedly appreciate both of you for your

> valuable

> > > > > inputs

> > > > > you are providing to the astrological community. I

> would

> > > like

> > > > > to

> > > > > share my opinion (through my own experience).

> > > > >

> > > > > Considering Karakamsa from either Rasi or Navamsa

> chart

> > > alone

>

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