Guest guest Posted June 26, 2007 Report Share Posted June 26, 2007 Dear Chandrashekhar ji and Respected members Shri Sanjay Rath clearly says ,Amshaka is pointing to the Rashi in which a graha is having amsha.He also says,Karakamsha has one meaning ,while Karakamsha KA has another meaning. Chandrashekhar jis view is Amshaka is not pointing to the Rashi in which a graha is having amsha. Now Chandraekhar jis view is prudent as there are some shlokas which shri Rath somehow has overlooked,contradicting his view point. I respect shri Rath ,but i have to tell this.Sometimes the answer and explanations given by shri Rath are not preceded by proper study.They are just local(not global) answers and deals the question in a temporal way. Now if Shri Rath is not changing his opinion about amshaka,then all the students who want to trust him blinldy will be in trouble.why? In BPHS amsha and amshaka are used in a similar context in adjacent shlokas.If shri Rath sticks to his opinion it is approval for K.N.Raojis views. I will quote Pramana now. Karakamsha Phaladhyaya - ''Vrishamsha KA gathe'' Mithunamsha Gathe, Karkamshe ,Tulamshe etc are used in the same context.Now as per shri Rath Taurus Amshas have to be read from Rashi while the rest in navamsha arrangement.!!! Definitely overlooked. My view is they all refer to the Rashis on to which, karaka Graha is having amsha.Reason - At the very beginning sage says ''Meshadi RashiGE Swamshe''.Moreover they are used in exchange. The texts that i have quoted from,in local language,clearly explains how amshas are to be read.The whole arrangement is termed as amshakam and sometimes drawn outside the rashi chakra itself. Now Chandrashekhar ji In your chart,Shani is AK and is Vargottama ,thus shani is placed in your Karakamsha Rashi. Now you have Guru and Chandra in the 5th from Karakamsha Rashi - Veda/Vedanta Philosophy and authorship are mentioned in classics. Guru will give you traditional paramparic knowledge - You got it from your father. Now there are many shlokas talking about yuti of planets in the 12th from karakamsha.When planets placed in different rashis unite in a single navamsha -do you think it is Yuthi.It is certainly not.They are having amshaka in the same Rashi. I feel there is no reason at all for ambiguity. I would love if some one can check the latest views from shri Rath.He is in agreement with Raoji ,unless wants to changes views on amshaka. Respect Pradeep Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 27, 2007 Report Share Posted June 27, 2007 Dear Pradeep, I can not comment on views of either Sanjay or K. N. Rao. First there is no difference in the meaning of Amsha and Amshaka though it is perhaps being confused. It also needs to be remembered that in astrological translations many a times words are to be understood in the context that they used. So we find Parashara mentioning karakamsha and Swamsha in alternate lines (almost) while indicating the results of occupation of Karakamsha by Sun etc. and many other places in karakamsha adhyaaya. This does not mean he is speaking about two different parameters. I think if any Sanskrit scholar who is also well versed in interpretation of astrological texts will confirm this contention of mine if he is watching this discussion. If you want my personal opinion, I think that the results indicated on the basis of Karakamsha without reference to the potential promised by the rasi chart and the strength derived by the grahas in rasi chart, through the Navamsha chart, are not likely to materialize. I hope this opinion of mine does not create a big storm in the discussion on the list. But this is my personal opinion, for whatever it is worth. Take care, Chandrashekhar. vijayadas_pradeep wrote: > > > Dear Chandrashekhar ji and Respected members > > Shri Sanjay Rath clearly says ,Amshaka is pointing to the Rashi in > which a graha is having amsha.He also says,Karakamsha has one > meaning ,while Karakamsha KA has another meaning. > Chandrashekhar jis view is Amshaka is not pointing to the Rashi in > which a graha is having amsha. > > Now Chandraekhar jis view is prudent as there are some shlokas which > shri Rath somehow has overlooked,contradicting his view point. > > I respect shri Rath ,but i have to tell this.Sometimes the answer and > explanations given by shri Rath are not preceded by proper study.They > are just local(not global) answers and deals the question in a > temporal way. > > Now if Shri Rath is not changing his opinion about amshaka,then all > the students who want to trust him blinldy will be in trouble.why? > In BPHS amsha and amshaka are used in a similar context in adjacent > shlokas.If shri Rath sticks to his opinion it is approval for > K.N.Raojis views. > > I will quote Pramana now. > > Karakamsha Phaladhyaya - > > ''Vrishamsha KA gathe'' Mithunamsha Gathe, Karkamshe ,Tulamshe etc > are used in the same context.Now as per shri Rath Taurus Amshas have > to be read from Rashi while the rest in navamsha arrangement.!!! > Definitely overlooked. > > My view is they all refer to the Rashis on to which, karaka Graha is > having amsha.Reason - At the very beginning sage says ''Meshadi > RashiGE Swamshe''.Moreover they are used in exchange. > > The texts that i have quoted from,in local language,clearly explains > how amshas are to be read.The whole arrangement is termed as amshakam > and sometimes drawn outside the rashi chakra itself. > > Now Chandrashekhar ji > > In your chart,Shani is AK and is Vargottama ,thus shani is placed in > your Karakamsha Rashi. > > Now you have Guru and Chandra in the 5th from Karakamsha Rashi - > Veda/Vedanta Philosophy and authorship are mentioned in classics. > Guru will give you traditional paramparic knowledge - You got it > from your father. > > Now there are many shlokas talking about yuti of planets in the 12th > from karakamsha.When planets placed in different rashis unite in a > single navamsha -do you think it is Yuthi.It is certainly not.They > are having amshaka in the same Rashi. > > I feel there is no reason at all for ambiguity. > > I would love if some one can check the latest views from shri Rath.He > is in agreement with Raoji ,unless wants to changes views on amshaka. > > Respect > Pradeep > > > ------ > > > > Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 269.9.6/865 - Release 6/24/2007 8:33 AM > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 27, 2007 Report Share Posted June 27, 2007 Dear Sri Pradeep and Sri Chandrasekhar, I have been following this thread on karakamsa and both of your contributions. I whole-heartedly appreciate both of you for your valuable inputs you are providing to the astrological community. I would like to share my opinion (through my own experience). Considering Karakamsa from either Rasi or Navamsa chart alone most probably leads to erroneous results, as I found both the approaches working. I see the point Pradeep is making as very valuable; at the same time I am not against using Navamsa chart as separate chart (of course without losing the context of the Rasi chart), since any of the varga charts will not give independent results if the Rasi chart is ignored, as they themselves do not exist if the Rasi chart doesn't exist. In fact Sri KN Rao also mentioned in several occassions in many of his articles and books that yogas viewed in the Rasi chart should also exist in the Navamsa chart for confirming the results. If we do not see the Navamsa chart as a separate chart, how can we see the yogas therein? For the purpose of checking some yogas, Yuti and Veekshana (conjunction and aspects) in the navamsa chart make sense. This kind of yuti or veekshana should be considered on a hypothetical level (as mutual influence at the amsha level) rather than being within a 30 deg. span. of Rasi. Take an example. If a planet is exlated or in own house in the rasi chart and attains debilitation in the Navamsa chart, it is condiered as weakening of the actual strength shown in the Rasi. Why is this considered so? It is considered like that because, even though the planet is within its own or exlated rasi, still its positioning within that particular sector (here navamsa) has weakened it; means, within its own rasi, this particular sector is the weakest point for the planet within the strongest rasi; hence it loses its strength considerably. This means there is a gradation of strengths for the planet from first navamsa to the last navamsa. The navamsa position of a planet, thus indicates its refined placement within the rasi. In fact, Sri KN Rao also gives equal weightage to both the Rasi and Navamsa placement of a planet. If a planet is weak in one of them that means half the weightage is lost. We may not give the same level of treatment to other vargas as we give to Navamsa; but Navamsa is as important as the Rasi; to the extent that it can be viewed as an independent chart (to confirm the promise given by the rasi chart). Without a confirmation of Navamsa chart, yogas in the rasi chart alone cannot and will not give expected results; I have observed this phenomenon in several charts. My own experience is; I have Chandra and Sukra both in the 12th house from Karakamsa in the Navamsa chart (not in the rasi chart with the rasi of karakamsa considering as the karakamsa lagna). I am a deep devotee of Goddess Parvathi (represented by Chandra) and Goddess Lakshmi (represented by Sukra). If the karakamsa is brought to the Rasi chart, this cannot be explained. The sequence of my life events are better explained only if I consider karakamsa lagna in the navamsa chart; I am not discounting Pradeep's opinion here; I am just saying that both approaches need to be considered on the chart, and a composite opinion be formed, as Sri KN Rao always says. On the other hand, considering the specific rasi in the Rasi chart that holds karakamsa as the karakamsa lagna, my Sukra is in the 4th house indicating my possession of a nice beautiful house, and education/skills in arts (in addition to other traditional education). I am bringing this to both your knowledge only to summarize that both your theories give results; but not necessarily in isolation of the other. Thanks for all your contribution. Best regards, Satya S Kolachina , Chandrashekhar <chandrashekhar46 wrote: > > Dear Pradeep, > > I can not comment on views of either Sanjay or K. N. Rao. First there is > no difference in the meaning of Amsha and Amshaka though it is perhaps > being confused. It also needs to be remembered that in astrological > translations many a times words are to be understood in the context that > they used. So we find Parashara mentioning karakamsha and Swamsha in > alternate lines (almost) while indicating the results of occupation of > Karakamsha by Sun etc. and many other places in karakamsha adhyaaya. > This does not mean he is speaking about two different parameters. I > think if any Sanskrit scholar who is also well versed in interpretation > of astrological texts will confirm this contention of mine if he is > watching this discussion. > > If you want my personal opinion, I think that the results indicated on > the basis of Karakamsha without reference to the potential promised by > the rasi chart and the strength derived by the grahas in rasi chart, > through the Navamsha chart, are not likely to materialize. I hope this > opinion of mine does not create a big storm in the discussion on the > list. But this is my personal opinion, for whatever it is worth. > > Take care, > Chandrashekhar. > > > > vijayadas_pradeep wrote: > > > > > > Dear Chandrashekhar ji and Respected members > > > > Shri Sanjay Rath clearly says ,Amshaka is pointing to the Rashi in > > which a graha is having amsha.He also says,Karakamsha has one > > meaning ,while Karakamsha KA has another meaning. > > Chandrashekhar jis view is Amshaka is not pointing to the Rashi in > > which a graha is having amsha. > > > > Now Chandraekhar jis view is prudent as there are some shlokas which > > shri Rath somehow has overlooked,contradicting his view point. > > > > I respect shri Rath ,but i have to tell this.Sometimes the answer and > > explanations given by shri Rath are not preceded by proper study.They > > are just local(not global) answers and deals the question in a > > temporal way. > > > > Now if Shri Rath is not changing his opinion about amshaka,then all > > the students who want to trust him blinldy will be in trouble.why? > > In BPHS amsha and amshaka are used in a similar context in adjacent > > shlokas.If shri Rath sticks to his opinion it is approval for > > K.N.Raojis views. > > > > I will quote Pramana now. > > > > Karakamsha Phaladhyaya - > > > > ''Vrishamsha KA gathe'' Mithunamsha Gathe, Karkamshe ,Tulamshe etc > > are used in the same context.Now as per shri Rath Taurus Amshas have > > to be read from Rashi while the rest in navamsha arrangement.!!! > > Definitely overlooked. > > > > My view is they all refer to the Rashis on to which, karaka Graha is > > having amsha.Reason - At the very beginning sage says ''Meshadi > > RashiGE Swamshe''.Moreover they are used in exchange. > > > > The texts that i have quoted from,in local language,clearly explains > > how amshas are to be read.The whole arrangement is termed as amshakam > > and sometimes drawn outside the rashi chakra itself. > > > > Now Chandrashekhar ji > > > > In your chart,Shani is AK and is Vargottama ,thus shani is placed in > > your Karakamsha Rashi. > > > > Now you have Guru and Chandra in the 5th from Karakamsha Rashi - > > Veda/Vedanta Philosophy and authorship are mentioned in classics. > > Guru will give you traditional paramparic knowledge - You got it > > from your father. > > > > Now there are many shlokas talking about yuti of planets in the 12th > > from karakamsha.When planets placed in different rashis unite in a > > single navamsha -do you think it is Yuthi.It is certainly not.They > > are having amshaka in the same Rashi. > > > > I feel there is no reason at all for ambiguity. > > > > I would love if some one can check the latest views from shri Rath.He > > is in agreement with Raoji ,unless wants to changes views on amshaka. > > > > Respect > > Pradeep > > > > > > -------------------------------- ------- > > > > > > > > Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 269.9.6/865 - Release Date: 6/24/2007 8:33 AM > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 27, 2007 Report Share Posted June 27, 2007 Dear Chandrashekhar ji Thanks a lot for the reply.There are some important points in your mail. Totally agree with the strength related points.Karakamsha/Swamsha is very true.. As mentioned,i am flying tommorrow morning to Lords for attending the annual cricket meetings and will reply after my return on sunday.It is already midnight. Respect Pradeep , Chandrashekhar <chandrashekhar46 wrote: > > Dear Pradeep, > > I can not comment on views of either Sanjay or K. N. Rao. First there is > no difference in the meaning of Amsha and Amshaka though it is perhaps > being confused. It also needs to be remembered that in astrological > translations many a times words are to be understood in the context that > they used. So we find Parashara mentioning karakamsha and Swamsha in > alternate lines (almost) while indicating the results of occupation of > Karakamsha by Sun etc. and many other places in karakamsha adhyaaya. > This does not mean he is speaking about two different parameters. I > think if any Sanskrit scholar who is also well versed in interpretation > of astrological texts will confirm this contention of mine if he is > watching this discussion. > > If you want my personal opinion, I think that the results indicated on > the basis of Karakamsha without reference to the potential promised by > the rasi chart and the strength derived by the grahas in rasi chart, > through the Navamsha chart, are not likely to materialize. I hope this > opinion of mine does not create a big storm in the discussion on the > list. But this is my personal opinion, for whatever it is worth. > > Take care, > Chandrashekhar. > > > > vijayadas_pradeep wrote: > > > > > > Dear Chandrashekhar ji and Respected members > > > > Shri Sanjay Rath clearly says ,Amshaka is pointing to the Rashi in > > which a graha is having amsha.He also says,Karakamsha has one > > meaning ,while Karakamsha KA has another meaning. > > Chandrashekhar jis view is Amshaka is not pointing to the Rashi in > > which a graha is having amsha. > > > > Now Chandraekhar jis view is prudent as there are some shlokas which > > shri Rath somehow has overlooked,contradicting his view point. > > > > I respect shri Rath ,but i have to tell this.Sometimes the answer and > > explanations given by shri Rath are not preceded by proper study.They > > are just local(not global) answers and deals the question in a > > temporal way. > > > > Now if Shri Rath is not changing his opinion about amshaka,then all > > the students who want to trust him blinldy will be in trouble.why? > > In BPHS amsha and amshaka are used in a similar context in adjacent > > shlokas.If shri Rath sticks to his opinion it is approval for > > K.N.Raojis views. > > > > I will quote Pramana now. > > > > Karakamsha Phaladhyaya - > > > > ''Vrishamsha KA gathe'' Mithunamsha Gathe, Karkamshe ,Tulamshe etc > > are used in the same context.Now as per shri Rath Taurus Amshas have > > to be read from Rashi while the rest in navamsha arrangement.!!! > > Definitely overlooked. > > > > My view is they all refer to the Rashis on to which, karaka Graha is > > having amsha.Reason - At the very beginning sage says ''Meshadi > > RashiGE Swamshe''.Moreover they are used in exchange. > > > > The texts that i have quoted from,in local language,clearly explains > > how amshas are to be read.The whole arrangement is termed as amshakam > > and sometimes drawn outside the rashi chakra itself. > > > > Now Chandrashekhar ji > > > > In your chart,Shani is AK and is Vargottama ,thus shani is placed in > > your Karakamsha Rashi. > > > > Now you have Guru and Chandra in the 5th from Karakamsha Rashi - > > Veda/Vedanta Philosophy and authorship are mentioned in classics. > > Guru will give you traditional paramparic knowledge - You got it > > from your father. > > > > Now there are many shlokas talking about yuti of planets in the 12th > > from karakamsha.When planets placed in different rashis unite in a > > single navamsha -do you think it is Yuthi.It is certainly not.They > > are having amshaka in the same Rashi. > > > > I feel there is no reason at all for ambiguity. > > > > I would love if some one can check the latest views from shri Rath.He > > is in agreement with Raoji ,unless wants to changes views on amshaka. > > > > Respect > > Pradeep > > > > > > ------ > > > > > > > > Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 269.9.6/865 - Release Date: 6/24/2007 8:33 AM > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 27, 2007 Report Share Posted June 27, 2007 Dear Satyaji Thanks a lot for the reply.I will attend to them in detail on Sunday ,as i will be away,as mentioned in the previous mail. Best Regds Pradeep , " Satya Sai Kolachina " <skolachi wrote: > > Dear Sri Pradeep and Sri Chandrasekhar, > > I have been following this thread on karakamsa and both of your > contributions. > > I whole-heartedly appreciate both of you for your valuable inputs > you are providing to the astrological community. I would like to > share my opinion (through my own experience). > > Considering Karakamsa from either Rasi or Navamsa chart alone most > probably leads to erroneous results, as I found both the approaches > working. I see the point Pradeep is making as very valuable; at the > same time I am not against using Navamsa chart as separate chart (of > course without losing the context of the Rasi chart), since any of > the varga charts will not give independent results if the Rasi chart > is ignored, as they themselves do not exist if the Rasi chart > doesn't exist. In fact Sri KN Rao also mentioned in several > occassions in many of his articles and books that yogas viewed in > the Rasi chart should also exist in the Navamsa chart for confirming > the results. If we do not see the Navamsa chart as a separate chart, > how can we see the yogas therein? For the purpose of checking some > yogas, Yuti and Veekshana (conjunction and aspects) in the navamsa > chart make sense. This kind of yuti or veekshana should be > considered on a hypothetical level (as mutual influence at the > amsha level) rather than being within a 30 deg. span. of Rasi. > > Take an example. If a planet is exlated or in own house in the rasi > chart and attains debilitation in the Navamsa chart, it is condiered > as weakening of the actual strength shown in the Rasi. Why is this > considered so? It is considered like that because, even though the > planet is within its own or exlated rasi, still its positioning > within that particular sector (here navamsa) has weakened it; means, > within its own rasi, this particular sector is the weakest point for > the planet within the strongest rasi; hence it loses its strength > considerably. This means there is a gradation of strengths for the > planet from first navamsa to the last navamsa. The navamsa position > of a planet, thus indicates its refined placement within the rasi. > In fact, Sri KN Rao also gives equal weightage to both the Rasi and > Navamsa placement of a planet. If a planet is weak in one of them > that means half the weightage is lost. We may not give the same > level of treatment to other vargas as we give to Navamsa; but > Navamsa is as important as the Rasi; to the extent that it can be > viewed as an independent chart (to confirm the promise given by the > rasi chart). > > Without a confirmation of Navamsa chart, yogas in the rasi chart > alone cannot and will not give expected results; I have observed > this phenomenon in several charts. > > My own experience is; I have Chandra and Sukra both in the 12th > house from Karakamsa in the Navamsa chart (not in the rasi chart > with the rasi of karakamsa considering as the karakamsa lagna). I am > a deep devotee of Goddess Parvathi (represented by Chandra) and > Goddess Lakshmi (represented by Sukra). If the karakamsa is brought > to the Rasi chart, this cannot be explained. The sequence of my life > events are better explained only if I consider karakamsa lagna in > the navamsa chart; I am not discounting Pradeep's opinion here; I am > just saying that both approaches need to be considered on the chart, > and a composite opinion be formed, as Sri KN Rao always says. > > On the other hand, considering the specific rasi in the Rasi chart > that holds karakamsa as the karakamsa lagna, my Sukra is in the 4th > house indicating my possession of a nice beautiful house, and > education/skills in arts (in addition to other traditional > education). > > I am bringing this to both your knowledge only to summarize that > both your theories give results; but not necessarily in isolation of > the other. > > Thanks for all your contribution. > > Best regards, > Satya S Kolachina > > > > , Chandrashekhar > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote: > > > > Dear Pradeep, > > > > I can not comment on views of either Sanjay or K. N. Rao. First > there is > > no difference in the meaning of Amsha and Amshaka though it is > perhaps > > being confused. It also needs to be remembered that in > astrological > > translations many a times words are to be understood in the > context that > > they used. So we find Parashara mentioning karakamsha and Swamsha > in > > alternate lines (almost) while indicating the results of > occupation of > > Karakamsha by Sun etc. and many other places in karakamsha > adhyaaya. > > This does not mean he is speaking about two different parameters. > I > > think if any Sanskrit scholar who is also well versed in > interpretation > > of astrological texts will confirm this contention of mine if he > is > > watching this discussion. > > > > If you want my personal opinion, I think that the results > indicated on > > the basis of Karakamsha without reference to the potential > promised by > > the rasi chart and the strength derived by the grahas in rasi > chart, > > through the Navamsha chart, are not likely to materialize. I hope > this > > opinion of mine does not create a big storm in the discussion on > the > > list. But this is my personal opinion, for whatever it is worth. > > > > Take care, > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > vijayadas_pradeep wrote: > > > > > > > > > Dear Chandrashekhar ji and Respected members > > > > > > Shri Sanjay Rath clearly says ,Amshaka is pointing to the Rashi > in > > > which a graha is having amsha.He also says,Karakamsha has one > > > meaning ,while Karakamsha KA has another meaning. > > > Chandrashekhar jis view is Amshaka is not pointing to the Rashi > in > > > which a graha is having amsha. > > > > > > Now Chandraekhar jis view is prudent as there are some shlokas > which > > > shri Rath somehow has overlooked,contradicting his view point. > > > > > > I respect shri Rath ,but i have to tell this.Sometimes the > answer and > > > explanations given by shri Rath are not preceded by proper > study.They > > > are just local(not global) answers and deals the question in a > > > temporal way. > > > > > > Now if Shri Rath is not changing his opinion about amshaka,then > all > > > the students who want to trust him blinldy will be in > trouble.why? > > > In BPHS amsha and amshaka are used in a similar context in > adjacent > > > shlokas.If shri Rath sticks to his opinion it is approval for > > > K.N.Raojis views. > > > > > > I will quote Pramana now. > > > > > > Karakamsha Phaladhyaya - > > > > > > ''Vrishamsha KA gathe'' Mithunamsha Gathe, Karkamshe ,Tulamshe > etc > > > are used in the same context.Now as per shri Rath Taurus Amshas > have > > > to be read from Rashi while the rest in navamsha arrangement.!!! > > > Definitely overlooked. > > > > > > My view is they all refer to the Rashis on to which, karaka > Graha is > > > having amsha.Reason - At the very beginning sage says ''Meshadi > > > RashiGE Swamshe''.Moreover they are used in exchange. > > > > > > The texts that i have quoted from,in local language,clearly > explains > > > how amshas are to be read.The whole arrangement is termed as > amshakam > > > and sometimes drawn outside the rashi chakra itself. > > > > > > Now Chandrashekhar ji > > > > > > In your chart,Shani is AK and is Vargottama ,thus shani is > placed in > > > your Karakamsha Rashi. > > > > > > Now you have Guru and Chandra in the 5th from Karakamsha Rashi - > > > Veda/Vedanta Philosophy and authorship are mentioned in classics. > > > Guru will give you traditional paramparic knowledge - You got it > > > from your father. > > > > > > Now there are many shlokas talking about yuti of planets in the > 12th > > > from karakamsha.When planets placed in different rashis unite in > a > > > single navamsha -do you think it is Yuthi.It is certainly > not.They > > > are having amshaka in the same Rashi. > > > > > > I feel there is no reason at all for ambiguity. > > > > > > I would love if some one can check the latest views from shri > Rath.He > > > is in agreement with Raoji ,unless wants to changes views on > amshaka. > > > > > > Respect > > > Pradeep > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- - > ------- > > > > > > > > > > > > Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 269.9.6/865 - Release Date: > 6/24/2007 8:33 AM > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 28, 2007 Report Share Posted June 28, 2007 Dear Friends, I am late in joining this debate, but will someone enlighten me, of the exact point that is being debated. regards, Manoj Chandrashekhar <chandrashekhar46 wrote: Dear Pradeep, I can not comment on views of either Sanjay or K. N. Rao. First there is no difference in the meaning of Amsha and Amshaka though it is perhaps being confused. It also needs to be remembered that in astrological translations many a times words are to be understood in the context that they used. So we find Parashara mentioning karakamsha and Swamsha in alternate lines (almost) while indicating the results of occupation of Karakamsha by Sun etc. and many other places in karakamsha adhyaaya. This does not mean he is speaking about two different parameters. I think if any Sanskrit scholar who is also well versed in interpretation of astrological texts will confirm this contention of mine if he is watching this discussion. If you want my personal opinion, I think that the results indicated on the basis of Karakamsha without reference to the potential promised by the rasi chart and the strength derived by the grahas in rasi chart, through the Navamsha chart, are not likely to materialize. I hope this opinion of mine does not create a big storm in the discussion on the list. But this is my personal opinion, for whatever it is worth. Take care, Chandrashekhar. vijayadas_pradeep wrote: > > > Dear Chandrashekhar ji and Respected members > > Shri Sanjay Rath clearly says ,Amshaka is pointing to the Rashi in > which a graha is having amsha.He also says,Karakamsha has one > meaning ,while Karakamsha KA has another meaning. > Chandrashekhar jis view is Amshaka is not pointing to the Rashi in > which a graha is having amsha. > > Now Chandraekhar jis view is prudent as there are some shlokas which > shri Rath somehow has overlooked,contradicting his view point. > > I respect shri Rath ,but i have to tell this.Sometimes the answer and > explanations given by shri Rath are not preceded by proper study.They > are just local(not global) answers and deals the question in a > temporal way. > > Now if Shri Rath is not changing his opinion about amshaka,then all > the students who want to trust him blinldy will be in trouble.why? > In BPHS amsha and amshaka are used in a similar context in adjacent > shlokas.If shri Rath sticks to his opinion it is approval for > K.N.Raojis views. > > I will quote Pramana now. > > Karakamsha Phaladhyaya - > > ''Vrishamsha KA gathe'' Mithunamsha Gathe, Karkamshe ,Tulamshe etc > are used in the same context.Now as per shri Rath Taurus Amshas have > to be read from Rashi while the rest in navamsha arrangement.!!! > Definitely overlooked. > > My view is they all refer to the Rashis on to which, karaka Graha is > having amsha.Reason - At the very beginning sage says ''Meshadi > RashiGE Swamshe''.Moreover they are used in exchange. > > The texts that i have quoted from,in local language,clearly explains > how amshas are to be read.The whole arrangement is termed as amshakam > and sometimes drawn outside the rashi chakra itself. > > Now Chandrashekhar ji > > In your chart,Shani is AK and is Vargottama ,thus shani is placed in > your Karakamsha Rashi. > > Now you have Guru and Chandra in the 5th from Karakamsha Rashi - > Veda/Vedanta Philosophy and authorship are mentioned in classics. > Guru will give you traditional paramparic knowledge - You got it > from your father. > > Now there are many shlokas talking about yuti of planets in the 12th > from karakamsha.When planets placed in different rashis unite in a > single navamsha -do you think it is Yuthi.It is certainly not.They > are having amshaka in the same Rashi. > > I feel there is no reason at all for ambiguity. > > I would love if some one can check the latest views from shri Rath.He > is in agreement with Raoji ,unless wants to changes views on amshaka. > > Respect > Pradeep > > > ------------------------- > > > > Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 269.9.6/865 - Release 6/24/2007 8:33 AM > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 28, 2007 Report Share Posted June 28, 2007 Dear Pradeep, Have a a nice time and meeting. take care, Chandrashekhar. vijayadas_pradeep wrote: > > Dear Chandrashekhar ji > > Thanks a lot for the reply.There are some important points in your > mail. > Totally agree with the strength related points.Karakamsha/Swamsha is > very true.. > > As mentioned,i am flying tommorrow morning to Lords for attending the > annual cricket meetings and will reply after my return on sunday.It > is already midnight. > > Respect > Pradeep > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar > <chandrashekhar46 wrote: > > > > Dear Pradeep, > > > > I can not comment on views of either Sanjay or K. N. Rao. First > there is > > no difference in the meaning of Amsha and Amshaka though it is > perhaps > > being confused. It also needs to be remembered that in astrological > > translations many a times words are to be understood in the context > that > > they used. So we find Parashara mentioning karakamsha and Swamsha > in > > alternate lines (almost) while indicating the results of occupation > of > > Karakamsha by Sun etc. and many other places in karakamsha > adhyaaya. > > This does not mean he is speaking about two different parameters. I > > think if any Sanskrit scholar who is also well versed in > interpretation > > of astrological texts will confirm this contention of mine if he is > > watching this discussion. > > > > If you want my personal opinion, I think that the results indicated > on > > the basis of Karakamsha without reference to the potential promised > by > > the rasi chart and the strength derived by the grahas in rasi > chart, > > through the Navamsha chart, are not likely to materialize. I hope > this > > opinion of mine does not create a big storm in the discussion on > the > > list. But this is my personal opinion, for whatever it is worth. > > > > Take care, > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > vijayadas_pradeep wrote: > > > > > > > > > Dear Chandrashekhar ji and Respected members > > > > > > Shri Sanjay Rath clearly says ,Amshaka is pointing to the Rashi in > > > which a graha is having amsha.He also says,Karakamsha has one > > > meaning ,while Karakamsha KA has another meaning. > > > Chandrashekhar jis view is Amshaka is not pointing to the Rashi in > > > which a graha is having amsha. > > > > > > Now Chandraekhar jis view is prudent as there are some shlokas > which > > > shri Rath somehow has overlooked,contradicting his view point. > > > > > > I respect shri Rath ,but i have to tell this.Sometimes the answer > and > > > explanations given by shri Rath are not preceded by proper > study.They > > > are just local(not global) answers and deals the question in a > > > temporal way. > > > > > > Now if Shri Rath is not changing his opinion about amshaka,then > all > > > the students who want to trust him blinldy will be in trouble.why? > > > In BPHS amsha and amshaka are used in a similar context in > adjacent > > > shlokas.If shri Rath sticks to his opinion it is approval for > > > K.N.Raojis views. > > > > > > I will quote Pramana now. > > > > > > Karakamsha Phaladhyaya - > > > > > > ''Vrishamsha KA gathe'' Mithunamsha Gathe, Karkamshe ,Tulamshe etc > > > are used in the same context.Now as per shri Rath Taurus Amshas > have > > > to be read from Rashi while the rest in navamsha arrangement.!!! > > > Definitely overlooked. > > > > > > My view is they all refer to the Rashis on to which, karaka Graha > is > > > having amsha.Reason - At the very beginning sage says ''Meshadi > > > RashiGE Swamshe''.Moreover they are used in exchange. > > > > > > The texts that i have quoted from,in local language,clearly > explains > > > how amshas are to be read.The whole arrangement is termed as > amshakam > > > and sometimes drawn outside the rashi chakra itself. > > > > > > Now Chandrashekhar ji > > > > > > In your chart,Shani is AK and is Vargottama ,thus shani is placed > in > > > your Karakamsha Rashi. > > > > > > Now you have Guru and Chandra in the 5th from Karakamsha Rashi - > > > Veda/Vedanta Philosophy and authorship are mentioned in classics. > > > Guru will give you traditional paramparic knowledge - You got it > > > from your father. > > > > > > Now there are many shlokas talking about yuti of planets in the > 12th > > > from karakamsha.When planets placed in different rashis unite in a > > > single navamsha -do you think it is Yuthi.It is certainly not.They > > > are having amshaka in the same Rashi. > > > > > > I feel there is no reason at all for ambiguity. > > > > > > I would love if some one can check the latest views from shri > Rath.He > > > is in agreement with Raoji ,unless wants to changes views on > amshaka. > > > > > > Respect > > > Pradeep > > > > > > > > > ------------------------- > ------ > > > > > > > > > > > > Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 269.9.6/865 - Release Date: > 6/24/2007 8:33 AM > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 3, 2007 Report Share Posted July 3, 2007 Dear Shri Manoj There are many points being discussed.The main one is ,whether Sage defines amshas as relationship of a planet on to a rashi or not. Supportive shlokas from jaimini and BPHS were provided and discussed.Countering points were also discussed.Rest you could learn by going through the mails. Regds Pradeep learn , Manoj Kumar <mouji99 wrote: > > Dear Friends, > > I am late in joining this debate, but will someone enlighten me, of the exact point that is being debated. > > regards, > > Manoj > > Chandrashekhar <chandrashekhar46 wrote: > Dear Pradeep, > > I can not comment on views of either Sanjay or K. N. Rao. First there is > no difference in the meaning of Amsha and Amshaka though it is perhaps > being confused. It also needs to be remembered that in astrological > translations many a times words are to be understood in the context that > they used. So we find Parashara mentioning karakamsha and Swamsha in > alternate lines (almost) while indicating the results of occupation of > Karakamsha by Sun etc. and many other places in karakamsha adhyaaya. > This does not mean he is speaking about two different parameters. I > think if any Sanskrit scholar who is also well versed in interpretation > of astrological texts will confirm this contention of mine if he is > watching this discussion. > > If you want my personal opinion, I think that the results indicated on > the basis of Karakamsha without reference to the potential promised by > the rasi chart and the strength derived by the grahas in rasi chart, > through the Navamsha chart, are not likely to materialize. I hope this > opinion of mine does not create a big storm in the discussion on the > list. But this is my personal opinion, for whatever it is worth. > > Take care, > Chandrashekhar. > > vijayadas_pradeep wrote: > > > > > > Dear Chandrashekhar ji and Respected members > > > > Shri Sanjay Rath clearly says ,Amshaka is pointing to the Rashi in > > which a graha is having amsha.He also says,Karakamsha has one > > meaning ,while Karakamsha KA has another meaning. > > Chandrashekhar jis view is Amshaka is not pointing to the Rashi in > > which a graha is having amsha. > > > > Now Chandraekhar jis view is prudent as there are some shlokas which > > shri Rath somehow has overlooked,contradicting his view point. > > > > I respect shri Rath ,but i have to tell this.Sometimes the answer and > > explanations given by shri Rath are not preceded by proper study.They > > are just local(not global) answers and deals the question in a > > temporal way. > > > > Now if Shri Rath is not changing his opinion about amshaka,then all > > the students who want to trust him blinldy will be in trouble.why? > > In BPHS amsha and amshaka are used in a similar context in adjacent > > shlokas.If shri Rath sticks to his opinion it is approval for > > K.N.Raojis views. > > > > I will quote Pramana now. > > > > Karakamsha Phaladhyaya - > > > > ''Vrishamsha KA gathe'' Mithunamsha Gathe, Karkamshe ,Tulamshe etc > > are used in the same context.Now as per shri Rath Taurus Amshas have > > to be read from Rashi while the rest in navamsha arrangement.!!! > > Definitely overlooked. > > > > My view is they all refer to the Rashis on to which, karaka Graha is > > having amsha.Reason - At the very beginning sage says ''Meshadi > > RashiGE Swamshe''.Moreover they are used in exchange. > > > > The texts that i have quoted from,in local language,clearly explains > > how amshas are to be read.The whole arrangement is termed as amshakam > > and sometimes drawn outside the rashi chakra itself. > > > > Now Chandrashekhar ji > > > > In your chart,Shani is AK and is Vargottama ,thus shani is placed in > > your Karakamsha Rashi. > > > > Now you have Guru and Chandra in the 5th from Karakamsha Rashi - > > Veda/Vedanta Philosophy and authorship are mentioned in classics. > > Guru will give you traditional paramparic knowledge - You got it > > from your father. > > > > Now there are many shlokas talking about yuti of planets in the 12th > > from karakamsha.When planets placed in different rashis unite in a > > single navamsha -do you think it is Yuthi.It is certainly not.They > > are having amshaka in the same Rashi. > > > > I feel there is no reason at all for ambiguity. > > > > I would love if some one can check the latest views from shri Rath.He > > is in agreement with Raoji ,unless wants to changes views on amshaka. > > > > Respect > > Pradeep > > > > > > ------------------------- > > > > > > > > Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 269.9.6/865 - Release Date: 6/24/2007 8:33 AM > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 3, 2007 Report Share Posted July 3, 2007 Dear Chandrashekhar ji Thanks for the wishes.Was fortunate to meet Sunil Gavaskar apart from Sharad Pawar and Niranjan Shah.Did mention interest in astrology and requested for birth info from shri Gavaskar,if he liked to share.May be another time was the reply.It was a privilige for me to talk to the legendary batsman and was excited. Respect Pradeep , Chandrashekhar <chandrashekhar46 wrote: > > Dear Pradeep, > Have a a nice time and meeting. > > take care, > Chandrashekhar. > > vijayadas_pradeep wrote: > > > > Dear Chandrashekhar ji > > > > Thanks a lot for the reply.There are some important points in your > > mail. > > Totally agree with the strength related points.Karakamsha/Swamsha is > > very true.. > > > > As mentioned,i am flying tommorrow morning to Lords for attending the > > annual cricket meetings and will reply after my return on sunday.It > > is already midnight. > > > > Respect > > Pradeep > > > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Pradeep, > > > > > > I can not comment on views of either Sanjay or K. N. Rao. First > > there is > > > no difference in the meaning of Amsha and Amshaka though it is > > perhaps > > > being confused. It also needs to be remembered that in astrological > > > translations many a times words are to be understood in the context > > that > > > they used. So we find Parashara mentioning karakamsha and Swamsha > > in > > > alternate lines (almost) while indicating the results of occupation > > of > > > Karakamsha by Sun etc. and many other places in karakamsha > > adhyaaya. > > > This does not mean he is speaking about two different parameters. I > > > think if any Sanskrit scholar who is also well versed in > > interpretation > > > of astrological texts will confirm this contention of mine if he is > > > watching this discussion. > > > > > > If you want my personal opinion, I think that the results indicated > > on > > > the basis of Karakamsha without reference to the potential promised > > by > > > the rasi chart and the strength derived by the grahas in rasi > > chart, > > > through the Navamsha chart, are not likely to materialize. I hope > > this > > > opinion of mine does not create a big storm in the discussion on > > the > > > list. But this is my personal opinion, for whatever it is worth. > > > > > > Take care, > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > > > > vijayadas_pradeep wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Chandrashekhar ji and Respected members > > > > > > > > Shri Sanjay Rath clearly says ,Amshaka is pointing to the Rashi in > > > > which a graha is having amsha.He also says,Karakamsha has one > > > > meaning ,while Karakamsha KA has another meaning. > > > > Chandrashekhar jis view is Amshaka is not pointing to the Rashi in > > > > which a graha is having amsha. > > > > > > > > Now Chandraekhar jis view is prudent as there are some shlokas > > which > > > > shri Rath somehow has overlooked,contradicting his view point. > > > > > > > > I respect shri Rath ,but i have to tell this.Sometimes the answer > > and > > > > explanations given by shri Rath are not preceded by proper > > study.They > > > > are just local(not global) answers and deals the question in a > > > > temporal way. > > > > > > > > Now if Shri Rath is not changing his opinion about amshaka,then > > all > > > > the students who want to trust him blinldy will be in trouble.why? > > > > In BPHS amsha and amshaka are used in a similar context in > > adjacent > > > > shlokas.If shri Rath sticks to his opinion it is approval for > > > > K.N.Raojis views. > > > > > > > > I will quote Pramana now. > > > > > > > > Karakamsha Phaladhyaya - > > > > > > > > ''Vrishamsha KA gathe'' Mithunamsha Gathe, Karkamshe ,Tulamshe etc > > > > are used in the same context.Now as per shri Rath Taurus Amshas > > have > > > > to be read from Rashi while the rest in navamsha arrangement.!!! > > > > Definitely overlooked. > > > > > > > > My view is they all refer to the Rashis on to which, karaka Graha > > is > > > > having amsha.Reason - At the very beginning sage says ''Meshadi > > > > RashiGE Swamshe''.Moreover they are used in exchange. > > > > > > > > The texts that i have quoted from,in local language,clearly > > explains > > > > how amshas are to be read.The whole arrangement is termed as > > amshakam > > > > and sometimes drawn outside the rashi chakra itself. > > > > > > > > Now Chandrashekhar ji > > > > > > > > In your chart,Shani is AK and is Vargottama ,thus shani is placed > > in > > > > your Karakamsha Rashi. > > > > > > > > Now you have Guru and Chandra in the 5th from Karakamsha Rashi - > > > > Veda/Vedanta Philosophy and authorship are mentioned in classics. > > > > Guru will give you traditional paramparic knowledge - You got it > > > > from your father. > > > > > > > > Now there are many shlokas talking about yuti of planets in the > > 12th > > > > from karakamsha.When planets placed in different rashis unite in a > > > > single navamsha -do you think it is Yuthi.It is certainly not.They > > > > are having amshaka in the same Rashi. > > > > > > > > I feel there is no reason at all for ambiguity. > > > > > > > > I would love if some one can check the latest views from shri > > Rath.He > > > > is in agreement with Raoji ,unless wants to changes views on > > amshaka. > > > > > > > > Respect > > > > Pradeep > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------- > > ------ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 269.9.6/865 - Release Date: > > 6/24/2007 8:33 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 3, 2007 Report Share Posted July 3, 2007 Dear Chandrashekhar ji I have always understood that amsha and amshaka are two grammatical ways of expressing the same thing.It is very useful to note your opinion, that both have the same meaning. I am just having elementary understanding in sanskrit,but by looking at the context,repetitive fashion,and astrological definitions,one can easily see that karakamsha and Swamsha are the same.They are mentioned in Karakamsha Phala Adhyaya as compared to Lagnamsha.More over sage is talking about the swamsha of Karaka Graha in Various Rashis(Meshadi Rashige). Regarding strength of Grahas-your point is very valid and is the basic and important principle one has to bear in mind.Karakamsha,Lagnamsha etc are the various reference points within the main canvas and unless the Grahas have strength,the results cannot be full. Others better learned can hold different views. Respect Pradeep , Chandrashekhar <chandrashekhar46 wrote: > > Dear Pradeep, > > I can not comment on views of either Sanjay or K. N. Rao. First there is > no difference in the meaning of Amsha and Amshaka though it is perhaps > being confused. It also needs to be remembered that in astrological > translations many a times words are to be understood in the context that > they used. So we find Parashara mentioning karakamsha and Swamsha in > alternate lines (almost) while indicating the results of occupation of > Karakamsha by Sun etc. and many other places in karakamsha adhyaaya. > This does not mean he is speaking about two different parameters. I > think if any Sanskrit scholar who is also well versed in interpretation > of astrological texts will confirm this contention of mine if he is > watching this discussion. > > If you want my personal opinion, I think that the results indicated on > the basis of Karakamsha without reference to the potential promised by > the rasi chart and the strength derived by the grahas in rasi chart, > through the Navamsha chart, are not likely to materialize. I hope this > opinion of mine does not create a big storm in the discussion on the > list. But this is my personal opinion, for whatever it is worth. > > Take care, > Chandrashekhar. > > > > vijayadas_pradeep wrote: > > > > > > Dear Chandrashekhar ji and Respected members > > > > Shri Sanjay Rath clearly says ,Amshaka is pointing to the Rashi in > > which a graha is having amsha.He also says,Karakamsha has one > > meaning ,while Karakamsha KA has another meaning. > > Chandrashekhar jis view is Amshaka is not pointing to the Rashi in > > which a graha is having amsha. > > > > Now Chandraekhar jis view is prudent as there are some shlokas which > > shri Rath somehow has overlooked,contradicting his view point. > > > > I respect shri Rath ,but i have to tell this.Sometimes the answer and > > explanations given by shri Rath are not preceded by proper study.They > > are just local(not global) answers and deals the question in a > > temporal way. > > > > Now if Shri Rath is not changing his opinion about amshaka,then all > > the students who want to trust him blinldy will be in trouble.why? > > In BPHS amsha and amshaka are used in a similar context in adjacent > > shlokas.If shri Rath sticks to his opinion it is approval for > > K.N.Raojis views. > > > > I will quote Pramana now. > > > > Karakamsha Phaladhyaya - > > > > ''Vrishamsha KA gathe'' Mithunamsha Gathe, Karkamshe ,Tulamshe etc > > are used in the same context.Now as per shri Rath Taurus Amshas have > > to be read from Rashi while the rest in navamsha arrangement.!!! > > Definitely overlooked. > > > > My view is they all refer to the Rashis on to which, karaka Graha is > > having amsha.Reason - At the very beginning sage says ''Meshadi > > RashiGE Swamshe''.Moreover they are used in exchange. > > > > The texts that i have quoted from,in local language,clearly explains > > how amshas are to be read.The whole arrangement is termed as amshakam > > and sometimes drawn outside the rashi chakra itself. > > > > Now Chandrashekhar ji > > > > In your chart,Shani is AK and is Vargottama ,thus shani is placed in > > your Karakamsha Rashi. > > > > Now you have Guru and Chandra in the 5th from Karakamsha Rashi - > > Veda/Vedanta Philosophy and authorship are mentioned in classics. > > Guru will give you traditional paramparic knowledge - You got it > > from your father. > > > > Now there are many shlokas talking about yuti of planets in the 12th > > from karakamsha.When planets placed in different rashis unite in a > > single navamsha -do you think it is Yuthi.It is certainly not.They > > are having amshaka in the same Rashi. > > > > I feel there is no reason at all for ambiguity. > > > > I would love if some one can check the latest views from shri Rath.He > > is in agreement with Raoji ,unless wants to changes views on amshaka. > > > > Respect > > Pradeep > > > > > > ------ > > > > > > > > Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 269.9.6/865 - Release Date: 6/24/2007 8:33 AM > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 3, 2007 Report Share Posted July 3, 2007 Vijaydasji, Welcome back. Gavaskar as always went for a draw :-) Satish --- vijayadas_pradeep <vijayadas_pradeep wrote: > Dear Chandrashekhar ji > > Thanks for the wishes.Was fortunate to meet Sunil > Gavaskar apart from > Sharad Pawar and Niranjan Shah.Did mention interest > in astrology and > requested for birth info from shri Gavaskar,if he > liked to share.May > be another time was the reply.It was a privilige for > me to talk to > the legendary batsman and was excited. > > Respect > Pradeep > > > > > , Chandrashekhar > <chandrashekhar46 wrote: > > > > Dear Pradeep, > > Have a a nice time and meeting. > > > > take care, > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > vijayadas_pradeep wrote: > > > > > > Dear Chandrashekhar ji > > > > > > Thanks a lot for the reply.There are some > important points in your > > > mail. > > > Totally agree with the strength related > points.Karakamsha/Swamsha > is > > > very true.. > > > > > > As mentioned,i am flying tommorrow morning to > Lords for attending > the > > > annual cricket meetings and will reply after my > return on > sunday.It > > > is already midnight. > > > > > > Respect > > > Pradeep > > > > > > <%40>, > Chandrashekhar > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Pradeep, > > > > > > > > I can not comment on views of either Sanjay or > K. N. Rao. First > > > there is > > > > no difference in the meaning of Amsha and > Amshaka though it is > > > perhaps > > > > being confused. It also needs to be remembered > that in > astrological > > > > translations many a times words are to be > understood in the > context > > > that > > > > they used. So we find Parashara mentioning > karakamsha and > Swamsha > > > in > > > > alternate lines (almost) while indicating the > results of > occupation > > > of > > > > Karakamsha by Sun etc. and many other places > in karakamsha > > > adhyaaya. > > > > This does not mean he is speaking about two > different > parameters. I > > > > think if any Sanskrit scholar who is also well > versed in > > > interpretation > > > > of astrological texts will confirm this > contention of mine if > he is > > > > watching this discussion. > > > > > > > > If you want my personal opinion, I think that > the results > indicated > > > on > > > > the basis of Karakamsha without reference to > the potential > promised > > > by > > > > the rasi chart and the strength derived by the > grahas in rasi > > > chart, > > > > through the Navamsha chart, are not likely to > materialize. I > hope > > > this > > > > opinion of mine does not create a big storm in > the discussion on > > > the > > > > list. But this is my personal opinion, for > whatever it is worth. > > > > > > > > Take care, > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vijayadas_pradeep wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Chandrashekhar ji and Respected members > > > > > > > > > > Shri Sanjay Rath clearly says ,Amshaka is > pointing to the > Rashi in > > > > > which a graha is having amsha.He also > says,Karakamsha has one > > > > > meaning ,while Karakamsha KA has another > meaning. > > > > > Chandrashekhar jis view is Amshaka is not > pointing to the > Rashi in > > > > > which a graha is having amsha. > > > > > > > > > > Now Chandraekhar jis view is prudent as > there are some shlokas > > > which > > > > > shri Rath somehow has > overlooked,contradicting his view point. > > > > > > > > > > I respect shri Rath ,but i have to tell > this.Sometimes the > answer > > > and > > > > > explanations given by shri Rath are not > preceded by proper > > > study.They > > > > > are just local(not global) answers and deals > the question in a > > > > > temporal way. > > > > > > > > > > Now if Shri Rath is not changing his opinion > about > amshaka,then > > > all > > > > > the students who want to trust him blinldy > will be in > trouble.why? > > > > > In BPHS amsha and amshaka are used in a > similar context in > > > adjacent > > > > > shlokas.If shri Rath sticks to his opinion > it is approval for > > > > > K.N.Raojis views. > > > > > > > > > > I will quote Pramana now. > > > > > > > > > > Karakamsha Phaladhyaya - > > > > > > > > > > ''Vrishamsha KA gathe'' Mithunamsha Gathe, > Karkamshe ,Tulamshe etc > > > > > are used in the same context.Now as per shri > Rath Taurus > Amshas > > > have > > > > > to be read from Rashi while the rest in > navamsha > arrangement.!!! > > > > > Definitely overlooked. > > > > > > > > > > My view is they all refer to the Rashis on > to which, karaka > Graha > > > is > > > > > having amsha.Reason - At the very beginning > sage > says ''Meshadi > > > > > RashiGE Swamshe''.Moreover they are used in > exchange. > > > > > > > > > > The texts that i have quoted from,in local > language,clearly > > > explains > > > > > how amshas are to be read.The whole > arrangement is termed as > > > amshakam > > > > > and sometimes drawn outside the rashi chakra > itself. > > > > > > > > > > Now Chandrashekhar ji > > > > > > === message truncated === ______________________________\ ____ Be a PS3 game guru. 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Guest guest Posted July 3, 2007 Report Share Posted July 3, 2007 Great! Good to hear you speak. Pradeep ji, wish you all the best in your multi-facet interests and contributions. Love, Sreenadh , SPK <aquaris_rising wrote: > > Vijaydasji, > > Welcome back. Gavaskar as always went for a draw :-) > > Satish > --- vijayadas_pradeep <vijayadas_pradeep > wrote: > > > Dear Chandrashekhar ji > > > > Thanks for the wishes.Was fortunate to meet Sunil > > Gavaskar apart from > > Sharad Pawar and Niranjan Shah.Did mention interest > > in astrology and > > requested for birth info from shri Gavaskar,if he > > liked to share.May > > be another time was the reply.It was a privilige for > > me to talk to > > the legendary batsman and was excited. > > > > Respect > > Pradeep > > > > > > > > > > , Chandrashekhar > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Pradeep, > > > Have a a nice time and meeting. > > > > > > take care, > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > vijayadas_pradeep wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Chandrashekhar ji > > > > > > > > Thanks a lot for the reply.There are some > > important points in your > > > > mail. > > > > Totally agree with the strength related > > points.Karakamsha/Swamsha > > is > > > > very true.. > > > > > > > > As mentioned,i am flying tommorrow morning to > > Lords for attending > > the > > > > annual cricket meetings and will reply after my > > return on > > sunday.It > > > > is already midnight. > > > > > > > > Respect > > > > Pradeep > > > > > > > > <%40>, > > Chandrashekhar > > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Pradeep, > > > > > > > > > > I can not comment on views of either Sanjay or > > K. N. Rao. First > > > > there is > > > > > no difference in the meaning of Amsha and > > Amshaka though it is > > > > perhaps > > > > > being confused. It also needs to be remembered > > that in > > astrological > > > > > translations many a times words are to be > > understood in the > > context > > > > that > > > > > they used. So we find Parashara mentioning > > karakamsha and > > Swamsha > > > > in > > > > > alternate lines (almost) while indicating the > > results of > > occupation > > > > of > > > > > Karakamsha by Sun etc. and many other places > > in karakamsha > > > > adhyaaya. > > > > > This does not mean he is speaking about two > > different > > parameters. I > > > > > think if any Sanskrit scholar who is also well > > versed in > > > > interpretation > > > > > of astrological texts will confirm this > > contention of mine if > > he is > > > > > watching this discussion. > > > > > > > > > > If you want my personal opinion, I think that > > the results > > indicated > > > > on > > > > > the basis of Karakamsha without reference to > > the potential > > promised > > > > by > > > > > the rasi chart and the strength derived by the > > grahas in rasi > > > > chart, > > > > > through the Navamsha chart, are not likely to > > materialize. I > > hope > > > > this > > > > > opinion of mine does not create a big storm in > > the discussion on > > > > the > > > > > list. But this is my personal opinion, for > > whatever it is worth. > > > > > > > > > > Take care, > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vijayadas_pradeep wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Chandrashekhar ji and Respected members > > > > > > > > > > > > Shri Sanjay Rath clearly says ,Amshaka is > > pointing to the > > Rashi in > > > > > > which a graha is having amsha.He also > > says,Karakamsha has one > > > > > > meaning ,while Karakamsha KA has another > > meaning. > > > > > > Chandrashekhar jis view is Amshaka is not > > pointing to the > > Rashi in > > > > > > which a graha is having amsha. > > > > > > > > > > > > Now Chandraekhar jis view is prudent as > > there are some shlokas > > > > which > > > > > > shri Rath somehow has > > overlooked,contradicting his view point. > > > > > > > > > > > > I respect shri Rath ,but i have to tell > > this.Sometimes the > > answer > > > > and > > > > > > explanations given by shri Rath are not > > preceded by proper > > > > study.They > > > > > > are just local(not global) answers and deals > > the question in a > > > > > > temporal way. > > > > > > > > > > > > Now if Shri Rath is not changing his opinion > > about > > amshaka,then > > > > all > > > > > > the students who want to trust him blinldy > > will be in > > trouble.why? > > > > > > In BPHS amsha and amshaka are used in a > > similar context in > > > > adjacent > > > > > > shlokas.If shri Rath sticks to his opinion > > it is approval for > > > > > > K.N.Raojis views. > > > > > > > > > > > > I will quote Pramana now. > > > > > > > > > > > > Karakamsha Phaladhyaya - > > > > > > > > > > > > ''Vrishamsha KA gathe'' Mithunamsha Gathe, > > Karkamshe ,Tulamshe etc > > > > > > are used in the same context.Now as per shri > > Rath Taurus > > Amshas > > > > have > > > > > > to be read from Rashi while the rest in > > navamsha > > arrangement.!!! > > > > > > Definitely overlooked. > > > > > > > > > > > > My view is they all refer to the Rashis on > > to which, karaka > > Graha > > > > is > > > > > > having amsha.Reason - At the very beginning > > sage > > says ''Meshadi > > > > > > RashiGE Swamshe''.Moreover they are used in > > exchange. > > > > > > > > > > > > The texts that i have quoted from,in local > > language,clearly > > > > explains > > > > > > how amshas are to be read.The whole > > arrangement is termed as > > > > amshakam > > > > > > and sometimes drawn outside the rashi chakra > > itself. > > > > > > > > > > > > Now Chandrashekhar ji > > > > > > > > > === message truncated === > > > > > ____________________ ______________ > Be a PS3 game guru. > Get your game face on with the latest PS3 news and previews at Games. > http://videogames./platform?platform=120121 > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 3, 2007 Report Share Posted July 3, 2007 Dear Pradeep, So you met the legend of cricket himself. That is great. May be next time he will share his birth details with you. Take care, Chandrashekhar. vijayadas_pradeep wrote: > > Dear Chandrashekhar ji > > Thanks for the wishes.Was fortunate to meet Sunil Gavaskar apart from > Sharad Pawar and Niranjan Shah.Did mention interest in astrology and > requested for birth info from shri Gavaskar,if he liked to share.May > be another time was the reply.It was a privilige for me to talk to > the legendary batsman and was excited. > > Respect > Pradeep > > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar > <chandrashekhar46 wrote: > > > > Dear Pradeep, > > Have a a nice time and meeting. > > > > take care, > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > vijayadas_pradeep wrote: > > > > > > Dear Chandrashekhar ji > > > > > > Thanks a lot for the reply.There are some important points in your > > > mail. > > > Totally agree with the strength related points.Karakamsha/Swamsha > is > > > very true.. > > > > > > As mentioned,i am flying tommorrow morning to Lords for attending > the > > > annual cricket meetings and will reply after my return on > sunday.It > > > is already midnight. > > > > > > Respect > > > Pradeep > > > > <%40> > > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Pradeep, > > > > > > > > I can not comment on views of either Sanjay or K. N. Rao. First > > > there is > > > > no difference in the meaning of Amsha and Amshaka though it is > > > perhaps > > > > being confused. It also needs to be remembered that in > astrological > > > > translations many a times words are to be understood in the > context > > > that > > > > they used. So we find Parashara mentioning karakamsha and > Swamsha > > > in > > > > alternate lines (almost) while indicating the results of > occupation > > > of > > > > Karakamsha by Sun etc. and many other places in karakamsha > > > adhyaaya. > > > > This does not mean he is speaking about two different > parameters. I > > > > think if any Sanskrit scholar who is also well versed in > > > interpretation > > > > of astrological texts will confirm this contention of mine if > he is > > > > watching this discussion. > > > > > > > > If you want my personal opinion, I think that the results > indicated > > > on > > > > the basis of Karakamsha without reference to the potential > promised > > > by > > > > the rasi chart and the strength derived by the grahas in rasi > > > chart, > > > > through the Navamsha chart, are not likely to materialize. I > hope > > > this > > > > opinion of mine does not create a big storm in the discussion on > > > the > > > > list. But this is my personal opinion, for whatever it is worth. > > > > > > > > Take care, > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vijayadas_pradeep wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Chandrashekhar ji and Respected members > > > > > > > > > > Shri Sanjay Rath clearly says ,Amshaka is pointing to the > Rashi in > > > > > which a graha is having amsha.He also says,Karakamsha has one > > > > > meaning ,while Karakamsha KA has another meaning. > > > > > Chandrashekhar jis view is Amshaka is not pointing to the > Rashi in > > > > > which a graha is having amsha. > > > > > > > > > > Now Chandraekhar jis view is prudent as there are some shlokas > > > which > > > > > shri Rath somehow has overlooked,contradicting his view point. > > > > > > > > > > I respect shri Rath ,but i have to tell this.Sometimes the > answer > > > and > > > > > explanations given by shri Rath are not preceded by proper > > > study.They > > > > > are just local(not global) answers and deals the question in a > > > > > temporal way. > > > > > > > > > > Now if Shri Rath is not changing his opinion about > amshaka,then > > > all > > > > > the students who want to trust him blinldy will be in > trouble.why? > > > > > In BPHS amsha and amshaka are used in a similar context in > > > adjacent > > > > > shlokas.If shri Rath sticks to his opinion it is approval for > > > > > K.N.Raojis views. > > > > > > > > > > I will quote Pramana now. > > > > > > > > > > Karakamsha Phaladhyaya - > > > > > > > > > > ''Vrishamsha KA gathe'' Mithunamsha Gathe, > Karkamshe ,Tulamshe etc > > > > > are used in the same context.Now as per shri Rath Taurus > Amshas > > > have > > > > > to be read from Rashi while the rest in navamsha > arrangement.!!! > > > > > Definitely overlooked. > > > > > > > > > > My view is they all refer to the Rashis on to which, karaka > Graha > > > is > > > > > having amsha.Reason - At the very beginning sage > says ''Meshadi > > > > > RashiGE Swamshe''.Moreover they are used in exchange. > > > > > > > > > > The texts that i have quoted from,in local language,clearly > > > explains > > > > > how amshas are to be read.The whole arrangement is termed as > > > amshakam > > > > > and sometimes drawn outside the rashi chakra itself. > > > > > > > > > > Now Chandrashekhar ji > > > > > > > > > > In your chart,Shani is AK and is Vargottama ,thus shani is > placed > > > in > > > > > your Karakamsha Rashi. > > > > > > > > > > Now you have Guru and Chandra in the 5th from Karakamsha > Rashi - > > > > > Veda/Vedanta Philosophy and authorship are mentioned in > classics. > > > > > Guru will give you traditional paramparic knowledge - You got > it > > > > > from your father. > > > > > > > > > > Now there are many shlokas talking about yuti of planets in > the > > > 12th > > > > > from karakamsha.When planets placed in different rashis unite > in a > > > > > single navamsha -do you think it is Yuthi.It is certainly > not.They > > > > > are having amshaka in the same Rashi. > > > > > > > > > > I feel there is no reason at all for ambiguity. > > > > > > > > > > I would love if some one can check the latest views from shri > > > Rath.He > > > > > is in agreement with Raoji ,unless wants to changes views on > > > amshaka. > > > > > > > > > > Respect > > > > > Pradeep > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------- > > > ------ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 269.9.6/865 - Release Date: > > > 6/24/2007 8:33 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 3, 2007 Report Share Posted July 3, 2007 Dear Satish ji Thanks:-).Many used to say that Gavaskar is not friendly etc etc,but he was very kind and was prepared to help us with the development of cricket.For a small man like me Gavaskar was too tall to stand next to,though in the photograph,reverse was the case:-). Regds Pradeep , SPK <aquaris_rising wrote: > > Vijaydasji, > > Welcome back. Gavaskar as always went for a draw :-) > > Satish > --- vijayadas_pradeep <vijayadas_pradeep > wrote: > > > Dear Chandrashekhar ji > > > > Thanks for the wishes.Was fortunate to meet Sunil > > Gavaskar apart from > > Sharad Pawar and Niranjan Shah.Did mention interest > > in astrology and > > requested for birth info from shri Gavaskar,if he > > liked to share.May > > be another time was the reply.It was a privilige for > > me to talk to > > the legendary batsman and was excited. > > > > Respect > > Pradeep > > > > > > > > > > , Chandrashekhar > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Pradeep, > > > Have a a nice time and meeting. > > > > > > take care, > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > vijayadas_pradeep wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Chandrashekhar ji > > > > > > > > Thanks a lot for the reply.There are some > > important points in your > > > > mail. > > > > Totally agree with the strength related > > points.Karakamsha/Swamsha > > is > > > > very true.. > > > > > > > > As mentioned,i am flying tommorrow morning to > > Lords for attending > > the > > > > annual cricket meetings and will reply after my > > return on > > sunday.It > > > > is already midnight. > > > > > > > > Respect > > > > Pradeep > > > > > > > > <%40>, > > Chandrashekhar > > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Pradeep, > > > > > > > > > > I can not comment on views of either Sanjay or > > K. N. Rao. First > > > > there is > > > > > no difference in the meaning of Amsha and > > Amshaka though it is > > > > perhaps > > > > > being confused. It also needs to be remembered > > that in > > astrological > > > > > translations many a times words are to be > > understood in the > > context > > > > that > > > > > they used. So we find Parashara mentioning > > karakamsha and > > Swamsha > > > > in > > > > > alternate lines (almost) while indicating the > > results of > > occupation > > > > of > > > > > Karakamsha by Sun etc. and many other places > > in karakamsha > > > > adhyaaya. > > > > > This does not mean he is speaking about two > > different > > parameters. I > > > > > think if any Sanskrit scholar who is also well > > versed in > > > > interpretation > > > > > of astrological texts will confirm this > > contention of mine if > > he is > > > > > watching this discussion. > > > > > > > > > > If you want my personal opinion, I think that > > the results > > indicated > > > > on > > > > > the basis of Karakamsha without reference to > > the potential > > promised > > > > by > > > > > the rasi chart and the strength derived by the > > grahas in rasi > > > > chart, > > > > > through the Navamsha chart, are not likely to > > materialize. I > > hope > > > > this > > > > > opinion of mine does not create a big storm in > > the discussion on > > > > the > > > > > list. But this is my personal opinion, for > > whatever it is worth. > > > > > > > > > > Take care, > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vijayadas_pradeep wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Chandrashekhar ji and Respected members > > > > > > > > > > > > Shri Sanjay Rath clearly says ,Amshaka is > > pointing to the > > Rashi in > > > > > > which a graha is having amsha.He also > > says,Karakamsha has one > > > > > > meaning ,while Karakamsha KA has another > > meaning. > > > > > > Chandrashekhar jis view is Amshaka is not > > pointing to the > > Rashi in > > > > > > which a graha is having amsha. > > > > > > > > > > > > Now Chandraekhar jis view is prudent as > > there are some shlokas > > > > which > > > > > > shri Rath somehow has > > overlooked,contradicting his view point. > > > > > > > > > > > > I respect shri Rath ,but i have to tell > > this.Sometimes the > > answer > > > > and > > > > > > explanations given by shri Rath are not > > preceded by proper > > > > study.They > > > > > > are just local(not global) answers and deals > > the question in a > > > > > > temporal way. > > > > > > > > > > > > Now if Shri Rath is not changing his opinion > > about > > amshaka,then > > > > all > > > > > > the students who want to trust him blinldy > > will be in > > trouble.why? > > > > > > In BPHS amsha and amshaka are used in a > > similar context in > > > > adjacent > > > > > > shlokas.If shri Rath sticks to his opinion > > it is approval for > > > > > > K.N.Raojis views. > > > > > > > > > > > > I will quote Pramana now. > > > > > > > > > > > > Karakamsha Phaladhyaya - > > > > > > > > > > > > ''Vrishamsha KA gathe'' Mithunamsha Gathe, > > Karkamshe ,Tulamshe etc > > > > > > are used in the same context.Now as per shri > > Rath Taurus > > Amshas > > > > have > > > > > > to be read from Rashi while the rest in > > navamsha > > arrangement.!!! > > > > > > Definitely overlooked. > > > > > > > > > > > > My view is they all refer to the Rashis on > > to which, karaka > > Graha > > > > is > > > > > > having amsha.Reason - At the very beginning > > sage > > says ''Meshadi > > > > > > RashiGE Swamshe''.Moreover they are used in > > exchange. > > > > > > > > > > > > The texts that i have quoted from,in local > > language,clearly > > > > explains > > > > > > how amshas are to be read.The whole > > arrangement is termed as > > > > amshakam > > > > > > and sometimes drawn outside the rashi chakra > > itself. > > > > > > > > > > > > Now Chandrashekhar ji > > > > > > > > > === message truncated === > > > > > ____________________ ______________ > Be a PS3 game guru. > Get your game face on with the latest PS3 news and previews at Games. > http://videogames./platform?platform=120121 > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 3, 2007 Report Share Posted July 3, 2007 Dear Sreenadh ji Thanks for your kind wishes and looking forward to learn more from you. Love Pradeep , " Sreenadh " <sreesog wrote: > > Great! Good to hear you speak. Pradeep ji, wish you all the best > in your multi-facet interests and contributions. > Love, > Sreenadh > > , SPK <aquaris_rising@> wrote: > > > > Vijaydasji, > > > > Welcome back. Gavaskar as always went for a draw :-) > > > > Satish > > --- vijayadas_pradeep <vijayadas_pradeep@> > > wrote: > > > > > Dear Chandrashekhar ji > > > > > > Thanks for the wishes.Was fortunate to meet Sunil > > > Gavaskar apart from > > > Sharad Pawar and Niranjan Shah.Did mention interest > > > in astrology and > > > requested for birth info from shri Gavaskar,if he > > > liked to share.May > > > be another time was the reply.It was a privilige for > > > me to talk to > > > the legendary batsman and was excited. > > > > > > Respect > > > Pradeep > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Chandrashekhar > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Pradeep, > > > > Have a a nice time and meeting. > > > > > > > > take care, > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > vijayadas_pradeep wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Chandrashekhar ji > > > > > > > > > > Thanks a lot for the reply.There are some > > > important points in your > > > > > mail. > > > > > Totally agree with the strength related > > > points.Karakamsha/Swamsha > > > is > > > > > very true.. > > > > > > > > > > As mentioned,i am flying tommorrow morning to > > > Lords for attending > > > the > > > > > annual cricket meetings and will reply after my > > > return on > > > sunday.It > > > > > is already midnight. > > > > > > > > > > Respect > > > > > Pradeep > > > > > > > > > > <%40>, > > > Chandrashekhar > > > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Pradeep, > > > > > > > > > > > > I can not comment on views of either Sanjay or > > > K. N. Rao. First > > > > > there is > > > > > > no difference in the meaning of Amsha and > > > Amshaka though it is > > > > > perhaps > > > > > > being confused. It also needs to be remembered > > > that in > > > astrological > > > > > > translations many a times words are to be > > > understood in the > > > context > > > > > that > > > > > > they used. So we find Parashara mentioning > > > karakamsha and > > > Swamsha > > > > > in > > > > > > alternate lines (almost) while indicating the > > > results of > > > occupation > > > > > of > > > > > > Karakamsha by Sun etc. and many other places > > > in karakamsha > > > > > adhyaaya. > > > > > > This does not mean he is speaking about two > > > different > > > parameters. I > > > > > > think if any Sanskrit scholar who is also well > > > versed in > > > > > interpretation > > > > > > of astrological texts will confirm this > > > contention of mine if > > > he is > > > > > > watching this discussion. > > > > > > > > > > > > If you want my personal opinion, I think that > > > the results > > > indicated > > > > > on > > > > > > the basis of Karakamsha without reference to > > > the potential > > > promised > > > > > by > > > > > > the rasi chart and the strength derived by the > > > grahas in rasi > > > > > chart, > > > > > > through the Navamsha chart, are not likely to > > > materialize. I > > > hope > > > > > this > > > > > > opinion of mine does not create a big storm in > > > the discussion on > > > > > the > > > > > > list. But this is my personal opinion, for > > > whatever it is worth. > > > > > > > > > > > > Take care, > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vijayadas_pradeep wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Chandrashekhar ji and Respected members > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shri Sanjay Rath clearly says ,Amshaka is > > > pointing to the > > > Rashi in > > > > > > > which a graha is having amsha.He also > > > says,Karakamsha has one > > > > > > > meaning ,while Karakamsha KA has another > > > meaning. > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar jis view is Amshaka is not > > > pointing to the > > > Rashi in > > > > > > > which a graha is having amsha. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now Chandraekhar jis view is prudent as > > > there are some shlokas > > > > > which > > > > > > > shri Rath somehow has > > > overlooked,contradicting his view point. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I respect shri Rath ,but i have to tell > > > this.Sometimes the > > > answer > > > > > and > > > > > > > explanations given by shri Rath are not > > > preceded by proper > > > > > study.They > > > > > > > are just local(not global) answers and deals > > > the question in a > > > > > > > temporal way. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now if Shri Rath is not changing his opinion > > > about > > > amshaka,then > > > > > all > > > > > > > the students who want to trust him blinldy > > > will be in > > > trouble.why? > > > > > > > In BPHS amsha and amshaka are used in a > > > similar context in > > > > > adjacent > > > > > > > shlokas.If shri Rath sticks to his opinion > > > it is approval for > > > > > > > K.N.Raojis views. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I will quote Pramana now. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Karakamsha Phaladhyaya - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ''Vrishamsha KA gathe'' Mithunamsha Gathe, > > > Karkamshe ,Tulamshe etc > > > > > > > are used in the same context.Now as per shri > > > Rath Taurus > > > Amshas > > > > > have > > > > > > > to be read from Rashi while the rest in > > > navamsha > > > arrangement.!!! > > > > > > > Definitely overlooked. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My view is they all refer to the Rashis on > > > to which, karaka > > > Graha > > > > > is > > > > > > > having amsha.Reason - At the very beginning > > > sage > > > says ''Meshadi > > > > > > > RashiGE Swamshe''.Moreover they are used in > > > exchange. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The texts that i have quoted from,in local > > > language,clearly > > > > > explains > > > > > > > how amshas are to be read.The whole > > > arrangement is termed as > > > > > amshakam > > > > > > > and sometimes drawn outside the rashi chakra > > > itself. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now Chandrashekhar ji > > > > > > > > > > > > === message truncated === > > > > > > > > > > > ____________________ > ______________ > > Be a PS3 game guru. > > Get your game face on with the latest PS3 news and previews at > Games. > > http://videogames./platform?platform=120121 > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 3, 2007 Report Share Posted July 3, 2007 Dear Chandrashekhar ji Thanks.Your words have to come true as it has happened in each and every case in the past.If so, then we may be able to get one more authentic chart for our studies. Respect and thanks for the blessings Pradeep , Chandrashekhar <chandrashekhar46 wrote: > > Dear Pradeep, > > So you met the legend of cricket himself. That is great. May be next > time he will share his birth details with you. > > Take care, > Chandrashekhar. > > vijayadas_pradeep wrote: > > > > Dear Chandrashekhar ji > > > > Thanks for the wishes.Was fortunate to meet Sunil Gavaskar apart from > > Sharad Pawar and Niranjan Shah.Did mention interest in astrology and > > requested for birth info from shri Gavaskar,if he liked to share.May > > be another time was the reply.It was a privilige for me to talk to > > the legendary batsman and was excited. > > > > Respect > > Pradeep > > > > > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Pradeep, > > > Have a a nice time and meeting. > > > > > > take care, > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > vijayadas_pradeep wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Chandrashekhar ji > > > > > > > > Thanks a lot for the reply.There are some important points in your > > > > mail. > > > > Totally agree with the strength related points.Karakamsha/Swamsha > > is > > > > very true.. > > > > > > > > As mentioned,i am flying tommorrow morning to Lords for attending > > the > > > > annual cricket meetings and will reply after my return on > > sunday.It > > > > is already midnight. > > > > > > > > Respect > > > > Pradeep > > > > > > <%40> > > > > <%40>, Chandrashekhar > > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Pradeep, > > > > > > > > > > I can not comment on views of either Sanjay or K. N. Rao. First > > > > there is > > > > > no difference in the meaning of Amsha and Amshaka though it is > > > > perhaps > > > > > being confused. It also needs to be remembered that in > > astrological > > > > > translations many a times words are to be understood in the > > context > > > > that > > > > > they used. So we find Parashara mentioning karakamsha and > > Swamsha > > > > in > > > > > alternate lines (almost) while indicating the results of > > occupation > > > > of > > > > > Karakamsha by Sun etc. and many other places in karakamsha > > > > adhyaaya. > > > > > This does not mean he is speaking about two different > > parameters. I > > > > > think if any Sanskrit scholar who is also well versed in > > > > interpretation > > > > > of astrological texts will confirm this contention of mine if > > he is > > > > > watching this discussion. > > > > > > > > > > If you want my personal opinion, I think that the results > > indicated > > > > on > > > > > the basis of Karakamsha without reference to the potential > > promised > > > > by > > > > > the rasi chart and the strength derived by the grahas in rasi > > > > chart, > > > > > through the Navamsha chart, are not likely to materialize. I > > hope > > > > this > > > > > opinion of mine does not create a big storm in the discussion on > > > > the > > > > > list. But this is my personal opinion, for whatever it is worth. > > > > > > > > > > Take care, > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vijayadas_pradeep wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Chandrashekhar ji and Respected members > > > > > > > > > > > > Shri Sanjay Rath clearly says ,Amshaka is pointing to the > > Rashi in > > > > > > which a graha is having amsha.He also says,Karakamsha has one > > > > > > meaning ,while Karakamsha KA has another meaning. > > > > > > Chandrashekhar jis view is Amshaka is not pointing to the > > Rashi in > > > > > > which a graha is having amsha. > > > > > > > > > > > > Now Chandraekhar jis view is prudent as there are some shlokas > > > > which > > > > > > shri Rath somehow has overlooked,contradicting his view point. > > > > > > > > > > > > I respect shri Rath ,but i have to tell this.Sometimes the > > answer > > > > and > > > > > > explanations given by shri Rath are not preceded by proper > > > > study.They > > > > > > are just local(not global) answers and deals the question in a > > > > > > temporal way. > > > > > > > > > > > > Now if Shri Rath is not changing his opinion about > > amshaka,then > > > > all > > > > > > the students who want to trust him blinldy will be in > > trouble.why? > > > > > > In BPHS amsha and amshaka are used in a similar context in > > > > adjacent > > > > > > shlokas.If shri Rath sticks to his opinion it is approval for > > > > > > K.N.Raojis views. > > > > > > > > > > > > I will quote Pramana now. > > > > > > > > > > > > Karakamsha Phaladhyaya - > > > > > > > > > > > > ''Vrishamsha KA gathe'' Mithunamsha Gathe, > > Karkamshe ,Tulamshe etc > > > > > > are used in the same context.Now as per shri Rath Taurus > > Amshas > > > > have > > > > > > to be read from Rashi while the rest in navamsha > > arrangement.!!! > > > > > > Definitely overlooked. > > > > > > > > > > > > My view is they all refer to the Rashis on to which, karaka > > Graha > > > > is > > > > > > having amsha.Reason - At the very beginning sage > > says ''Meshadi > > > > > > RashiGE Swamshe''.Moreover they are used in exchange. > > > > > > > > > > > > The texts that i have quoted from,in local language,clearly > > > > explains > > > > > > how amshas are to be read.The whole arrangement is termed as > > > > amshakam > > > > > > and sometimes drawn outside the rashi chakra itself. > > > > > > > > > > > > Now Chandrashekhar ji > > > > > > > > > > > > In your chart,Shani is AK and is Vargottama ,thus shani is > > placed > > > > in > > > > > > your Karakamsha Rashi. > > > > > > > > > > > > Now you have Guru and Chandra in the 5th from Karakamsha > > Rashi - > > > > > > Veda/Vedanta Philosophy and authorship are mentioned in > > classics. > > > > > > Guru will give you traditional paramparic knowledge - You got > > it > > > > > > from your father. > > > > > > > > > > > > Now there are many shlokas talking about yuti of planets in > > the > > > > 12th > > > > > > from karakamsha.When planets placed in different rashis unite > > in a > > > > > > single navamsha -do you think it is Yuthi.It is certainly > > not.They > > > > > > are having amshaka in the same Rashi. > > > > > > > > > > > > I feel there is no reason at all for ambiguity. > > > > > > > > > > > > I would love if some one can check the latest views from shri > > > > Rath.He > > > > > > is in agreement with Raoji ,unless wants to changes views on > > > > amshaka. > > > > > > > > > > > > Respect > > > > > > Pradeep > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------- > > > > ------ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 269.9.6/865 - Release Date: > > > > 6/24/2007 8:33 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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