Just a thought

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Dear Ums,

 

I shall attempt to answer your questions below in CAPS.

 

, " planck12 "

<planck12> wrote:

> Hi,

> I have been egerly going through the new system on bindu points. I

would like to draw a distinguishing line between some of the concept

in my own view. As ash has mentioned not to confuse the Ashtakavarga

system with other.

 

ASH : THE DEEPER YOU GO INTO THIS SYSTEM YOU WILL FIND THAT ITS

ANOTHER TOOL ADVISED BY PARASARA AND VARHARAMIRA TO DELINEATE CHARTS.

 

>

> I mainly see this system finding much importance in timing events.

It is rather hard to understanding the effect of the rashi chart in

the light of what the native has in store wealth,health and in

general life wise just using this system. Some of the very few

factors (I might be very wrong on them) but have skimmed over which I

feel hold much importance are as follow:

 

> -The planets in 4th from moon are not included in the masterschulde

and some how leads me to believe are not very relvent in the

calculations of the overall strenghts of the planets in the house of

concern. According to tradational vedic rules the gaja kesari yoga is

formed with jupiter and moon and such yoga or other effects get left

out of the picture while strength calculations.

>

 

ASH : YOUR ASSUMPTION IS NOT PROPER. MOON BEING A GENTLE PLANET DOES

NOT CONTROL OTHER PLANETS THAT IS WHY WE DONT PUT PLANETS UNDER

MOON. PLEASE GO FURTHER IN UNDERSTANDING THE 4:10 RELATIONSHIP.

WHEN PLANETS IN 4TH FROM A PLANET HAVING HIGH BINDUS I.E. > 4 AND

PLANET IN 10TH IS LESS THAN 4 BINDU THEN PLANET IN 10TH BECOMES VERY

STRONG AND PLANET IN 4TH FROM IT GIVES IT POINTS AND BECOMES

SAMDHARMI TO IT.

 

AS PER VEDIC ASTROLOGY, ASHTAKAVARGA IS PART OF VEDIC ASTROLOGY.

PARASARA AND VARHARAMIRA HAVE BOTH GIVEN DETAILS ABOUT ASHTAKAVARGA.

PLEASE STUDY BHINASHTAKAVARGA OF MOON AND GURU ON HOW THEY DISTRIBUTE

POINTS. ALSO PLEASE TAKE EACH AND EVERY YOGA AND IDENTIFY HOW IT IS

USED AS PER POINTS DISTRIBUTION. BAV DISTRIBUTION HAS BEEN ADVISED

AND GIVEN BY VARHARAMIRA. YOGAS IN VEDIC ASTROLOGY HAVE BEEN GIVEN

SPECIFIC NAMES TO DISTINGUISH THEM. IF MOON IS IN 10TH PLACE FROM

GURU AND MOON IS WITH LESS POINTS AND GURU WITH MORE POINTS THEN MOON

AND GURU BECOME SAMDHARMI. BUT MOON WILL NOT TAKE POINTS FROM GURU

AND CONTROL GURU AS .. AS MOON IS GENTLE.

 

HERE IS SOME FOOD FOR THOUGHT. THIS SYSTEM COVERS ALL THE YOGS GIVEN

IN VEDIC TEXT AND U UNKNOWINGLY USE THEM. THEY STEM OUT OF BAV GIVEN

BY MAHARISHIS. EACH AND EVERY POINT THATS DISTRIBUTED HAS A REASON.

IF YOU UNDERSTAND THE MEANING OF YOGA, YOU WILL UNDERSTAND THAT ITS A

UNION. THIS WHOLE SYSTEM IS BASED ON RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN PLANETS.

FOR EG. VENUS CAN NEVER HAVE FULL 8 BINDUS IF IT HAS PLANETS IN 7TH

FROM IT. MERCURY CAN HAVE 8 BINDUS WHEN ALL PLANETS ARE AHEAD OF

IT. SO ITS ALL IN RELATION. AS YOU GO IN DEEPER THINGS LIKE GAJ

KESARI YOG, ANAPHA YOG, SUNAPHA YOG, KALSARP YOG, GRAHAMALIK YOG ETC

ARE ALL COVERED.

 

FOR EXAMPLE KALSARP YOG. WHEN ALL PLANETS ARE HELMED BETWEEN RAHU

AND KETU ITS CALLED A KALSARPA YOG. NOW IF U LOOK AT SUCH A CHART

ALL PLANETS ARE ON ONE SIDE OF THE CHART. NOW IF YOU STUDY

DISTRIBUTION OF POINTS RATHER IF YOU CHECK THE SAV OF SUCH A CHART

YOU WILL FIND THAT ONE SIDE OF THE CHART HAS QUITE HIGH POINTS AND

OTHER SIDE MAY HAVE LESS POINTS. NOW WHEN SUCH CHART IS THERE AND

WHEN TRANSITS OF MALEFICS TAKE PLACE OVER PLANETS HAVING LOW BINDUS

IN SAV THEN MALEFIC RESULTS CAN BE FELT AND SINCE ITS SPREAD ACROSS A

FEW SIGNS AND MAY BE CONTIGIOUS THEN EFFECTS ARE FELT MORE SEVERELY

AND LIGHT AT THE END OF THE TUNNEL SEEMS FAR OFF... NOW TO

DISTINGUISH SUCH THINGS ITS BEEN GIVE A NAME OF KALSARP YOG.

 

 

IF YOU STUDY NATURAL SAMDHARMI WE CONSIDER VENUS AND SHANI ARE

NATURAL SAMDHARMIS AND MOON AND SUN ARE NATURAL SAMDHARMIS TO MARS.

THIS IS WHATS CALLED YOGAKARAK PLANETS IN TEXT BOOKS.

 

PLANETS BECOME SAMDHARMI TO NAVAMSA LORDS WHERE THEY ARE PLACED I.E.

NAVAMSA DEPOSITERS. SO NAVAMSA DEPOSITERS LORDS ARE ALSO

CONSIDERED.

 

PLANETS IN SAME SIGN OR PLANETS IN SAME NAKSHATRA ALSO BECOME

SAMDHARMI.. HERE WE ARE USING NAKSHATRA DEPOSITERS.

 

THIS SYSTEM USES VIMSHOTTARI DASA STARTING FROM MOON (MIND.. DESIRES)

AND UPCHAYA HOUSES (FREE WILL)..... I CAN GO ON .. BUT I WILL LEAVE

IT HERE FOR YOU TO THINK ABOUT THIS FURTHER...

 

> -Vedic astrology considers the moon as the most important planet.

And infact in many charts that astrologers analyze a good emphasis is

placed on the moon as being the acedent when the postion of the moon

is relatively strong in the chart and this takes precedence over the

lagna. So I think moon plays a very cruial role in determening the

strength of planets.

 

ASH : HERE IN THIS SYSTEM WE CHECK THINGS FROM LAGNA, SUN AND MOON.

PLEASE GO THROUGH THE LESSON ON STUDYING OF QUALITY OF AN EVENT AND U

WILL SEE THAT LORDS OF LAGNA/7TH, MOON/7TH AND SUN/7TH, ALSO FOR

WOMEN WE CHECK VENUS/7TH AND MARS/7TH.

I SUGGEST PLEASE GO THROUGH LESSON IN MORE DETAIL. IF YOU STATE THAT

VEDIC ASTROLOGY CONSIDERES MOON AS MOST IMPORTANT, I SHALL ADD THAT

IN ADDITION TO MOON IN THIS SYSTEM (WHICH IS PART OF VEDIC ASTROLOGY)

WE ALSO CHECK STATUS FROM LAGNA AND SUN ALSO APART IN ADDITION TO

MOON. LAGNA = BODY, MOON = MIND AND SUN = SPIRIT.

 

>

> -I have had a hard time trying to figure put the pieces of the

astrological puzzle in trying to understand the aspect phenomena.

Just as an example. The argala for a particular house is counted when

shuba planets are in 2nd,4th and 11th from a house that is in

consideration. These planets provide good intervention to the matters

of the house in consideration. The presence of jupiter in these

argala causing houses is considered good and many predictions have

been made to good accuracy in underlying an important event in a

natives life (not to confuse with timing the event). So then how can

jupitorial aspects be negative just considering bindu points.

>

 

ASH : IN THIS SYSTEM WE ARE USING GRAHA DRISTI (DESIRES). WE ARE NOT

USING RASI DRISTI. HERE IS A DIFFERENCE. GURU ALWAYS GIVES BENEFIC

RASI DRISTI, BUT WHEN YOU TALK OF GRAHA DRISTI ITS DIFFERENT. WHY IS

THE SIGN OF EXALTATION OPPOSITE TO THAT OF DEBILITATION. ALL PLANETS

HAVE 7TH SIGHT. THINK ABOUT THAT.

IN THIS SYSTEM WE USE BINDUS. IF A PLANET HAS 8 BINDUS I.E.

EXALTATION IT WILL SEND -8 BINDUS TO SIGN IT ASPECTS.

 

THIS IS WHY I SAID DO NOT MIX SYSTEMS. THIS SYSTEM FOLLOWS A

PARTICULAR PHILOSOPHY. HERE AGAIN WE ARE USING VIMSHOTTARI DASA AND

ONLY STARTING FROM MOON (MIND), UPCHAYA HOUSES (FREE WILL) AND GRAHA

DRISTI (DESIRES)......

 

HERE IS A QUESTION TO YOU. WHERE OR IN WHICH CLASSIC ITS GIVEN THAT

ONLY GOOD WILL HAPPEN IN THE ANTRA DASA OF GURU ?

BASED ON THE LOGIC YOU HAVE GIVEN NO PERSON IN THIS WORLD CAN EVER

HAVE BAD TIMES IN THE ANTAR DASA OF GURU ? IS THAT TRUE ?

ALSO PLEASE SEE HOW MANY BINDUS DOES GURU HAVE TO DISTRIBUTE AND

PLEASE COMPARE THAT TO OTHER PLANETS ?

 

WE SAY MARS AND SHANI ARE MALEFICS RIGHT I.E. NATURAL MALEFICS.

PLEASE SEE HOW MANY BINDUS THE MAHARISHI HAS ATTRIBUTED TO THESE

PLANEST TO DISTRIBUTE. ITS ONLY 39 EACH.

 

FOR GURU ITS 56. SO ITS BENEFIC BY NATURE. THAT DOES NOT MEAN THAT

IN GURUS ANTRA EACH AND EVERY ONE WILL GET GOOD RESULTS. THAT IS NOT

SO.

 

WHEN GURU IS SAY ASPECTING SHANI IT WILL HOLD SHANI BACK FROM GIVING

FURTHER DELAY DUE TO ITS NATURAL BENEFIC NATURE. WE ARE USING ALL

THAT. PLEASE STUDY MORE IN DETAIL AND STUDY SOME ANALYSIS GIVEN IN

ARCHIVES TO UNDERSTAND THIS PRINCIPLE I THINK THAT WILL CLEAR THE

PROBLEM.

 

IF YOU ALSO STUDY IN MORE DETAILS ON HOW POINTS ARE DISTRIBUTED IN

BAV I THINK MOST OF THE ANSWERS ARE THERE. THERE IN LIES THE BEAUTY

OF THIS SYSTEM. IF YOU GO THROUGH THE ARCHIVES YOU WILL SEE THAT NO

ONE METIONS YOGAS SEPERATELY. ITS ALL CONVERED IN WORKSHEET.

WORKSHEET IS DERIVED FROM SARVASHTAKAVARGA AND SARVASHTAKAVARGA IS

DERIVED FROM BHINAASHTAKAVARGA AND BHINAASHTAKAVARGA IS GIVEN BY

MAHARISHI PARASARA AND VARHARAMIRA (THOUGH THERE IS SLIGHT DIFFEENCE

AND WE OUT HERE USE THE BAV SCHEME GIVEN BY VARHARMIRA).

 

I THINK WE SHOULD GIVE A LITTLE MORE CREDIT TO MAHARISHI VARHARAMIRA

FOR COMING UP WITH THAT POINT DISTRIBUTION SHOULD'NT WE .

 

 

> These are just some frank observations made, Im sure they must have

been answered before. But Ive often come to ponder on a little

thought. Ive had been to many astrologer, some of them have been

close friends of mine and we discuss a lot on the issue of

astrologer. Ever since I was a child I have had (along with so many

of us in this fourm) that we go to an astrologer and the astrologer

(good one ofcourse) will predict much of the course of our life and

pin point event to close accuracy just in a matter of mintues. He

basically (the astrologer) draws the rashi chart (infact most

astrologers dont even dwell deep into the navasahma) and yet they are

successful in predicting and timing events very closely. How do they

do that.. I dont believe they go through the intensne mathematical

caluclulations of bindus since they hardly find time to look at the

navasama.

>

 

ASH : THESE ARE ALL GOOD OBSERVATIONS. YES MOST OF THEM HAVE BEEN

ANSWERED BEFORE. I MYSELF HAD ASKED THESE QUESTIONS IF YOU LOOK INTO

THE ARCHIVES YOU WILL FIND TONNES OF QUESTIONS LIKE THAT. BUT HERE I

AM STILL STUDYING THIS SYSTEM AND I HAVE HAVE MOST SUCCESS WITH IT.

EACH AND EVERYTHING IN THIS SYSTEM HAS A REASON. IT GIVES CORRECT

ANSWERS TIME AFTER TIME. USING ASHTAKAVARGA YOU CAN GET TRUE

STRENGTH OF PLANET FOR EACH AND EVERY HOUSE. INFACT ONCE YOU GET THE

RESULTS IN THE WORKSHEET YOU CAN AT A GLANCE JUDGE RESULTS. THERE

ARE ONLY VERY FEW LAWS. YOU DO NOT HAVE TO REMEMBER 1000'S OF NAMES

OF YOGAS AND THEIR CONTRAS WITH ALL THEIR IF THEN ELSE CONDITIONS.

ITS ALL COVERED INDIRECTLY VIA BAV TO SAV TO WORKSHEET. WORKSHEET'S

FIRST PART I.E. A+B+C SUM CAN BE USED IN ALL DIVISIONAL CHARTS AS

GIVEN BY MAHARISHIS.

 

THERE ARE SOME PEOPLE IN THIS WORLD WHO USE TARROT TO PREDICT AND

SOME IN AFRICA USE ANIMAL BONES. SOME USE HANDS (PALMISTS) AND SOME

USE THUMB. SOME USE LEAFS (NADI) AND SOME JUST HAVE SPIRITUAL POWERS

AND ARE YOGIS AND SOME JUST SEE A PERSON AND START TO SAY THINGS AND

SOME LIKE US USE ASHTAKAVARGA AS A TOOL FOR PREDICTIONS :=) AND IF

YOU GO THORUGH THE ARCHIVES I THINK WE HAVE HAD A PRETTY GOOD RATE OF

SUCCESS USING THIS TOOL FOR PREDICTIONS. :=)

 

> I believe firmly that most of the basic fundamentals of predictive

astrology as laid down by prashara hold very good. AFter all

experience does count and one has to know how to fit pieces into the

puzzle.

 

ASH : I WAS UNDER THE IMPRESSION THAT PARASARA HAD GIVEN THE USE OF

ASHTAKAVARGA AS A TOOL FOR PREDICTION AND SO DID VARHARMIRA.

 

>

> Again just my humble thoughts!!!

>

> I wonder if the time of lottery can be excatly predicted by this

system (not the amount of money) but just lottery time of luck.

>

 

ASH : YES.

 

> Well, I will continue my efforts to understand this system and try

to rational out the reasons and make the facts fit the theory rather

than the theory fit the facts.

 

ASH : KEEP UP THE EFFORT. THE MORE YOU DIG IN DEEPER THE MORE THINGS

WILL MAKE SENSE. EACH AND EVERYTHING USED IN THIS SYSTEM HAS A USE

AND START WITH THAT AND JUST AN ADVISE, DONT JUGGLE WITH TOO MANY

THINGS IT WILL JUST MAKE THAT PUZZLE MORE COMPLICATED :=).

>

> best wishes

> Ums

 

Cheers !!!

Ash

[Guest guest]

Dear All

 

I am a new member to the group. Only a couple of weeks into it. I have been

going through the debates with certain admiration and awe at the level of

knowledge that a few members possess. I have however also been observing that

over the period the debates between learned members have been degenerating into

a verbal duel bordering on one-upmanship. During the course of debate, through

exchange of mails, suddenly the respectfulness is deliberately discarded. The

suffix ‘ji’ is dropped in a manner as if it was used for the sake of it and to

make the lack of it obvious.

 

I would like to remind the learned members that True Knowledge always exist.

It was thought of in the form as perceived by the Sages in their wisdom and

codified in the form they deemed it fit. It would not be affected whether one

accepts it or not. The one truly possessing the true knowledge would not flaunt

it if It is Truly True. The level of True Knowledge is also reflected in ones

humility and presentation.

 

Thanks for your patience.

 

With Best Wishes.

 

K C Dwivedi

 

 

 

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, Krishna Chandra Dwivedi

<kcdd8 wrote:

>

> Dear All

>

> I am a new member to the group. Only a couple of weeks into it. I

have been going through the debates with certain admiration and awe at

the level of knowledge that a few members possess. I have however also

been observing that over the period the debates between learned

members have been degenerating into a verbal duel bordering on

one-upmanship. During the course of debate, through exchange of mails,

suddenly the respectfulness is deliberately discarded.

 

 

You're new not only to this Group but to astrologers as well.

 

Happy learning!

 

PJ

[Guest guest]

I agree with you wholeheartedly. the emotional tantrums are only indication

of insecurity in the knowledge they possess as well as the anger deep down

inside due to the difficulty of this subject. most importantly vedic

astrology is a sadhana that brings great awareness to the jataka. I hope

that we can evaluate more of the spiritual dimensions this subject is

brining us rather than every detail that is contradictory. the great science

has been destroyed in the past for various reasons maybe even to protect it

from wrong users however this group I feel is one that can attain the truth

and will get there in time. but lets refrain from our insecurities that

provoke others into banter and below the belt type statements. our group

should grow in unity aiming for truth and understanding. along the way the

answers will come and some of us have some divine guidance in the making to

guide us there as well, it is their karma to do so. just as it is my karma

to listen as a student and grow more into my authority on the subject. I

applaud you Krishna for having the courage once again to set the tone of the

group despite your newly addition here. freedom of speech is held highly

here but reverence and respect are the spiritual foundations from which

freedom rests.

 

 

 

sincerely,

 

 

 

__________

 

Raja Gursahani