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[Guest guest]

yes marg I agree with you about that. It is true that exalted planets may

confer just a good springboard for the jataka (native) however it will be

the raja yogas that really push the native or develop the native somehow

within his environment. however interesting enough in astrolife.com there is

a wonderful article by an astrologer who says its the most awful (I guess by

astrological principles laid forth by the ancient seers) that usually end up

leading to the most successful people. this article illustrated the point

you are making that great spiritual growth in the native such as vry can

actually create awfully more success, excuse for the use of awfully to

punctuate this notion, however nonetheless I fancy his thinking because of

the very nature of why he describes the 6th, 8th, and 12tth houses. I am

posting the link of his article and would love to hear group commentary to

say the least!!!

 

 

 

the article: why successful people have terrible horoscopes

 

the link:

http://www.astrolife.com/magazine/articles/astrology/successful-people.php

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

namaskar,

 

 

 

__________

 

Raja Gursahani

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Dear Raja,

I tend to have a different view though understand the writer's position of

understanding about operating in Kali Yuga with exalted and yoga planets.

Certainly many people go on to achieve wonders in life not giving up on and in

spite of the struggle.

However I disagree with the a few of his premises especially about those get

anything without a struggle of whom he judges: 'This however, keeps them in

their familiar and restricted zone, and they are unable to explore and discover

different dimensions of life.'.........personally I do not to his

assumptions nor conclusion.

 

I don't believe life is about achieving something 'big' in order to prove how

great we are. I also don't believe that illiteracy means someone will crumble

under exceptional circumstances. Both these concepts of being successful or

hugely literate are worldly models of success and need not necessarily prove the

greatness of a person's inner being, though clearly in Kali Yuga we use such

things as measures with which to gauge a person's merit or lack of it.

Conversely the ancient 'virtues' or states of consciousness which were used to

measure a man are marginalised or not even recognised any more. For example

Buddha was not known for achieving some great feat in a worldly sense, he was

known not for his struggles either but for his serenity, compassion and kindness

to all levels of creation.

It is the level of consciousness and understanding which define a man's

greatness, not his stature in worldly terms,and to quote a great poet John

Milton who became blind and could not use his talents any more:

'God does not need man's works, nor his own good gifts, when thousands at his

bidding speed poste haste o'er land and water without rest, they serve him best,

he also serves who only stands and waits'.....................................

best wishes

M

 

 

 

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Raja Gursahani

Monday, May 28, 2007 6:13 PM

Re: Fwd: Introduction to Ancient Indian Astrology (pdf

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yes marg I agree with you about that. It is true that exalted planets may

confer just a good springboard for the jataka (native) however it will be

the raja yogas that really push the native or develop the native somehow

within his environment. however interesting enough in astrolife.com there is

a wonderful article by an astrologer who says its the most awful (I guess by

astrological principles laid forth by the ancient seers) that usually end up

leading to the most successful people. this article illustrated the point

you are making that great spiritual growth in the native such as vry can

actually create awfully more success, excuse for the use of awfully to

punctuate this notion, however nonetheless I fancy his thinking because of

the very nature of why he describes the 6th, 8th, and 12tth houses. I am

posting the link of his article and would love to hear group commentary to

say the least!!!

 

the article: why successful people have terrible horoscopes

 

the link:

http://www.astrolife.com/magazine/articles/astrology/successful-people.php

 

namaskar,

 

________

 

Raja Gursahani

 

[Guest guest]

dear marg,

 

 

 

I understand what you are saying but the greatness in the chart doesn't

necessarily mean money or all the other present day kali yuga situations. I

am trying to recall the period of Buddha and whether it falls still under

kali yuga but I believe so. furthermore your statements could be correct as

well. the article just establishes that the more knowledge you have to the

duality of astrology, then maybe you can have better predictions as an

astrologer. even astrology is governed by duality and its our study and

sadhana that leads to the ultimate truth that everything is maya.

unfortunately our job isn't necessarily to lead the jataka to that

conclusion unless indications warrant so.

 

 

 

I know this reply isn't really direct to what you are saying but your words

are catalyzing such a response.

 

 

 

sincerely,

 

 

 

__________

 

Raja Gursahani

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Dear Raj

 

I was only trying to establish why I found the article didn't reflect my own

application of astrology.

Clearly many people are not interested in the full realm of insight and

understanding astrology can give,

and we have to deliver according to the level of approach of the querant, and

those expressing an interest

in the subject.

Also whilst reading the article I was very aware of the saying---''it is better

to know your chains for what they

are than to deck them with flowers,'' and while it is good to show compassion

for those who struggle and fight against great odds, I don't feel this is the

ultimate message of astrology. I feel the message of astrology, especially where

yagyas and other remedies are applied, is about lessening the struggle in life

and assisting smoother progress.

On the other hand I am sure there are many who will find the article inspiring,

and do not share my point of view

which is fine. I was merely responding to a request to put forward my point of

view which is not infallible. Astrology is about celebrating diversity not

uniformity---I hope:-)

best wishes

M

 

 

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Raja Gursahani

Tuesday, May 29, 2007 3:06 PM

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dear marg,

 

I understand what you are saying but the greatness in the chart doesn't

necessarily mean money or all the other present day kali yuga situations. I

am trying to recall the period of Buddha and whether it falls still under

kali yuga but I believe so. furthermore your statements could be correct as

well. the article just establishes that the more knowledge you have to the

duality of astrology, then maybe you can have better predictions as an

astrologer. even astrology is governed by duality and its our study and

sadhana that leads to the ultimate truth that everything is maya.

unfortunately our job isn't necessarily to lead the jataka to that

conclusion unless indications warrant so.

 

I know this reply isn't really direct to what you are saying but your words

are catalyzing such a response.

 

sincerely,

 

________

 

Raja Gursahani

 

[Guest guest]

yes marg. guru rules astrology because it is live giver and also grants

wisdom (afterall he is teacher) so that life is smoother overall. there is

no doubt to this as this makes logical sense and can be agreed upon by many

circles of astrologers. well I guess the take by the author here is

interesting and calls for understanding and reflection. if it may not

reflect your approach as an astrologer that is completely understandable. I

just believe it does shed some light on an interesting subject and causes

the need to go deeper in our study. well either way the 6th 8th 12th houses

are very important to understand from a practical point of view and I also

must admit that I liked his interpretations of the houses. they seem to be

based on his experience with his clients and he has reinterpreted them with

reference to modern day psychology. As I always say knowledge is power, but

you must discriminate before absorbing the knowledge so in this case it is

up to the astrologer to decide if this content has merit. still

interesting!!

 

 

 

sincerely,

 

 

 

__________

 

Raja Gursahani

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Hi Raj

sorry to take so long to reply but I'm still drowning in charts at the moment.

I agree that the use of a western leaning towards explaining difficulties can be

a way around dealing with difficulties, but I do prefer eastern reliance on

facts and dates and other insights which are difficult to explain with western

astrology.

-

Raja Gursahani

Wednesday, May 30, 2007 3:54 PM

Re: Fwd: Introduction to Ancient Indian Astrology (pdf

file downloa

 

 

yes marg. guru rules astrology because it is live giver and also grants

wisdom (afterall he is teacher) so that life is smoother overall. there is

no doubt to this as this makes logical sense and can be agreed upon by many

circles of astrologers. well I guess the take by the author here is

interesting and calls for understanding and reflection. if it may not

reflect your approach as an astrologer that is completely understandable. I

just believe it does shed some light on an interesting subject and causes

the need to go deeper in our study. well either way the 6th 8th 12th houses

are very important to understand from a practical point of view and I also

must admit that I liked his interpretations of the houses. they seem to be

based on his experience with his clients and he has reinterpreted them with

reference to modern day psychology. As I always say knowledge is power, but

you must discriminate before absorbing the knowledge so in this case it is

up to the astrologer to decide if this content has merit. still

interesting!!

 

sincerely,

 

________

 

Raja Gursahani

 

[Guest guest]

Guru is main significator for wisdom / religious belief etc; Likewise - budha

has role too for analytical skills, intelligence etc; but for astrology (and

more from predictive and conclusive perspective !! ) - most traditionalists

consider Venus as biggest influence.

 

 

regards / Prafulla Gang

 

" True heroism is remarkably sober, very undramatic. It is not the urge to

surpass all others at whatever cost, but the urge to serve others, at whatever

cost. " - Arthur Ashe

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margie9

Thu, 31 May 2007 22:35:53 +0100

 

Re: Re: Fwd: Introduction to Ancient Indian Astrology

(pdf file downloa

 

Hi Raj

sorry to take so long to reply but I'm still drowning in charts at the moment.

I agree that the use of a western leaning towards explaining difficulties can be

a way around dealing with difficulties, but I do prefer eastern reliance on

facts and dates and other insights which are difficult to explain with western

astrology.

-

Raja Gursahani

 

Wednesday, May 30, 2007 3:54 PM

Re: Fwd: Introduction to Ancient Indian Astrology (pdf

file downloa

yes marg. guru rules astrology because it is live giver and also grants

wisdom (afterall he is teacher) so that life is smoother overall. there is

no doubt to this as this makes logical sense and can be agreed upon by many

circles of astrologers. well I guess the take by the author here is

interesting and calls for understanding and reflection. if it may not

reflect your approach as an astrologer that is completely understandable. I

just believe it does shed some light on an interesting subject and causes

the need to go deeper in our study. well either way the 6th 8th 12th houses

are very important to understand from a practical point of view and I also

must admit that I liked his interpretations of the houses. they seem to be

based on his experience with his clients and he has reinterpreted them with

reference to modern day psychology. As I always say knowledge is power, but

you must discriminate before absorbing the knowledge so in this case it is

up to the astrologer to decide if this content has merit. still

interesting!!

 

sincerely,

 

________

 

Raja Gursahani

 

 

[Guest guest]

I know that venus is ruler of secret mantras etc. venus also is the only

planet that is capable of raising the dead back to life. however I don't see

venus as ruling astrology. there is no mention of it from my study and

research. jupiter has foresight that is why he rules banking and investment

and things of that nature. he has the ability to see the future as well the

cognitive ability of planning ahead. so I don't agree with you that venus is

the ruler of astrology. he is the ruler of mantra however. jupiter and

mercury def. rule astrology. mercury rules astrology on the quanitative

level however guru is necessary for sound prediction. but some may argue

without the sun there is no prediction as well. well please where are the

others to support this or enlighten me.

 

 

 

sincerely,

 

 

 

__________

 

Raja Gursahani

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Hi

 

Well - each one of us, have various theories (or myths !!). I just wanted to

convey that without adequate venus - astrologers can seldom be good predictors.

I am neither defining venus for jyotish studies / wisdom, nor linking mantra to

venus/jyotish. IMO - Mantras has no reference in any of the classical jyotish

(BPHS, Nadi...) - yes they have their own independent significance.

 

regards / Prafulla Gang

http://www.prafulla.net

 

" Speak without offending,listen without defending "

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>

> rajagursahani

> Fri, 1 Jun 2007 07:29:11 -0700

>

> Re: Fwd: Introduction to Ancient Indian Astrology

> (pdf file downloa

>

> I know that venus is ruler of secret mantras etc. venus also is the only

> planet that is capable of raising the dead back to life. however I don't

> see

> venus as ruling astrology. there is no mention of it from my study and

> research. jupiter has foresight that is why he rules banking and

> investment

> and things of that nature. he has the ability to see the future as well

> the

> cognitive ability of planning ahead. so I don't agree with you that venus

> is

> the ruler of astrology. he is the ruler of mantra however. jupiter and

> mercury def. rule astrology. mercury rules astrology on the quanitative

> level however guru is necessary for sound prediction. but some may argue

> without the sun there is no prediction as well. well please where are the

> others to support this or enlighten me.

>

>

>

> sincerely,

>

>

>

> __________

>

> Raja Gursahani

>

>

>

>

>

>