Guest guest Posted April 7, 2007 Report Share Posted April 7, 2007 Dear Shashie Shekhar Namaste > When Gandhi ji,according to you who was responsible for three >partitions at that time Sardar patel and Lala Lajpat Rai were >alived,why both of them could not be successfully stopped to him? >They tried but Desh,Kaal and paristhiti become more important. Excuse me for pointing this but Lalaji died in 1928. Thanks a lot for your Time and Sapce. Prabodh Vekhande Jai Jai Shankar Har Har Shankar , Shashie Shekhar <polite_astro wrote: > > ll HARE RAM ll > Dear Bhaskar Bhai, > Ram Ram, > To have positive thinking means cowardness.Lord Ram and Lord Krishna were too much positve thinker but were they cowered? On the other hand to be out spoken is the sign of any bravery? Do you know? What Lord Krishna said to Shisupaal when he was abusing him.He warned him " Ok you can abuse me 100 times but if you do cross the said limit,i will kill you. " and he did the same as soon as he crossed the limit. > When Gandhi ji,according to you who was responsible for three partitions at that time Sardar patel and Lala Lajpat Rai were alived,why both of them could not be successfully stopped to him?They tried but Desh,Kaal and paristhiti become more important. These are the Sansrit Shlokas that you,me and others advised for suggesting Remedies as Ram Rakshastotram,Narayan Kavach and others.Are these making a person cowered?Durga Saptshati,can make a person cowered? is written in Sankrit. Mostly persons now a days wear Gem stones.Are they do not have proper advices about the same? are they all taking advices from the astrologers of or other Groups.Nearly 90% astrologers do not know about or other Groups.Are they not learned? > There is no logic to make difference among the sacrifices of Sardar Bhagat Singh,ChandraShekhar Azad,Jhanshi ki Rani or Shivaji Maharaaj,Gandhi ji and others.All they do his work for the freedom of motherland by their own way with strong dedication.My brother i am unable to understand what & why do you want to say so?What is the meaning behind this? > It is my humble request to you plz do not waste your energy.To make sense in any circumstances is the essence of life that makes a person bold and strong. > Before giving answer to any one plz read the Chaupaaies of Ramcharitmanas in between the Doha of 79 to 80 of Lankakand.I hope you will respect my words. > > God bless > Shashie Shekhar > > > Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: > Dear Shashie Bhai, > > Ram Ram. > > You are a good and kind soul. > But because we are thinking good the world does not become good. > because we are thinking wise, the world does not become wise, > If I do not keep enemity inside , no one will become my enemy. > This is all bakwaas (Nonsensical talks). > Because I love Raveena Tandon or Katreena Kaif even she would > love me this is all bakwaas. > This is good for religious sermons or preaching, but not > practical living. > Evil would remain evil whether I am good or not. > Dirty person would remain dirty whether I remain clean or not. > A foolish person would not become an astrologer just because > I am not. > and because I am a astrologer does not mean every one > I meet would become an astrologer. > > These sermons are good just to view the whole world as good. > And see the positiveness in each and his actions. > These sermons are good for a Yogi or a detached person. > Not for one living in this world. > We have to be strict with our enemies and > those who create trouble. That is why the Courts and Judges are made. > Just because the courts and Judges dispense justice does not > mean that all criminals are good. > I mean to say that lets get into the world when we are > living into it and treat the rascals as rascals and the > saints as saints. > No use quoting Sanskrit shlokas and trying to mis-lead the masses and > the members involved in any arguments. > better to hit the enemies at the right place and make them understand > rather than to preach to the already good man and try to look good. > theres a saying in Hindi which all the indians must be knowing that > the Ghosts who understand the language of kicks would not understand > the language of religious sermons., so better kick them. > (Laatoon ke bhoot baaton se nahin mante). > > therefore I prefer to be practical like Shahid Bhagatsingh and > Subhash Chandra Bose and Vallabh Bhai patel or lala Lajpatrai or > Rani Jhansi or Prithviraj Chauhan or Shivaji Maharaaj and not > impractical and misguided misplaced religious like Mahatma Gandhi who > has already created 3 partitions in this country after his passing > away,and we are now ready for another two more partitions and those > areas which are not partitioned would still remain with the > minorities as Majorities and not vice versa as in the books or paper. > > If this carries on further without being refrained, then its not long > when we would become minorities and the so called minorirites of > today, Majorities. The whole North east is gone. Khalistan is on the > threshold, Quota system is on the minds of the politicians, > Tamil Nadu is already granting 60% reservations to the minorities. > This is all because of stupid people in our country from our own > families who preach sermons and quote sanskrit sholkas . Where the > sword is to be used they use Shlokas , which is the downfall of our > country due to such people. > > I am better off a warrior, instead of looking good in front of my > adversaries or third persons.I would rather execute 10 enemies of my > country rather than preach. > > Sorry, but every astrologer should also be a good strong warrior and > switch over roles when required.Use the sword when you meet a bad > astrologer who fools people, and use the sword when you meet a bad > man and use the sword whenever you see injustice,Dont run away, be a > one Fathers son, be a Real Mothers son, be true to the milk You have > drunk of you mothers chest, be a good son,Father,Brother,Uncle and be > a good astrologer or else be ready to be executed. Fight till the last > breath when you see injustice or wrong doing in any field and do not > worry , if You are right then God is with you. > And never use Sanksrit shlokas or Pravachan (Sermons) to hide your > cowardice under the guise of these and trying to look good, when you > should be using the Sword. > > Shashie Bhai this above lecture is not for you, but for all of us to > remind ourselves of what we should be. Real Sons of this Soil and the > Mother whose Blood and milk we are made of.I have always mantained > the above till now calling a spade a spade instead of a jade. > And treating a enemy like one, instead of trying to cajole him into > my side by Pravachans(Sermons).I would rather punish him and make him > see sense and then love him once he realises his mistake and > repents and not before that. and before punishing too i show lots of > compassion and give many chances like Prithviraj Chauhan. > But the Mohammed Ghauris have to be exterminated ,they know no other > language.No sermons should be wasted on them just to look good or for > our image keeping. > > best wishes, > Bhaskar. > > > , Chandrashekhar > wrote: > > > > Dear Shashie Shekhar, > > > > Thank you for your kind words. > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > Shashie Shekhar wrote: > > > > > > ll HARE RAM ll > > > Dear Mr.Chandrashekhar, > > > You have very nice and positive approach that is utmost needed.I > do > > > appreciate you.If our thinking is positive,every thing is > auspicious. > > > > > > God bless > > > Shashie Shekhar > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar > > > wrote: > > > Dear Anna, > > > > > > You are too kind. > > > > > > Take care, > > > Chandrashekhar > > > > > > 108ar wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Chandrashekhar, > > > > Yes, your father did a good job- as far as I know you've always > been > > > > very positive- patient, well-wisher, never exaggerating > problems. You > > > > are a role model for astrologers' ethics. > > > > Best wishes, > > > > Anna > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar, > > > > > > > > No mystery in what I wrote. I only wrote what I thought was > being > > > > referred to and wanted to confirm that my understanding of > calling the > > > > number auspicious was based on the parameters I assumed were > the reason > > > > for it to be so. > > > > > > > > I have been taught to look at the positive aspect of any matter > by my > > > > father, when I began learning astrology and I follow that > principle. > > > > > > > > Take care, > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > Bhaskar wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Chandrasekharji, > > > > > > > > > > yes its 786 . You are absolutely right. and > > > > > not 768. > > > > > You are the only one who is talking > > > > > positively uptil now (Is it ? Or pointing out > > > > > errors made by someone is negative ? I leave > > > > > it to you to decide )rest of the people are talking only > > > > > about triple 6 and 13 number. but You are the only one > > > > > who has pointed out my mistake. > > > > > Now this is to be considered as positive or > > > > > negative contribution I do not know. > > > > > If contribution means pointing out mistakes of other > > > > > members then its fine. > > > > > if contribution means adding to what others have > > > > > written without worry of committing mistakes or > > > > > seen by others, I would > > > > > consider that as real contribution. > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Chandrashekhar > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar, > > > > > > > > > > > > If, as I think, by 768 being an auspicious number you are > referring > > > > > to > > > > > > the Muslim auspicious number, I think it is 786 and not 768. > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > > > > Bharat - Hindu Astrology wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste Sri Bhaskar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The number 666 has been wrongly projected as a number of > the > > > > > beast or the > > > > > > > devil. This is part of Church's wrongdoings. It has been > stated > > > > > time and > > > > > > > again that Church does not follow Christ but used his > name to > > > > > further > > > > > > > their > > > > > > > power and control. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The number 666 adds to 18=9. 6 is the number of the female > > > > > (Venus). " 9 " > > > > > > > representing Mars is the male factor. When " 1 " that is > the truth - > > > > > or > > > > > > > Shiva; > > > > > > > expresses itself and appears as Shakti, there is > multiplicity > > > > > (perhaps > > > > > > > indicated by three sixes). Action " 8 " Saturn is born then. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Think about it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks and Regards > > > > > > > Bharat > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 03 Apr 2007 23:27:53 -0700, Bhaskar > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Friends, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The Number of Members in this Vibrant Group > > > > > > > > has now reached to the auspicious figure 768. > > > > > > > > This heralds a new Chapter in the history > > > > > > > > of this group,a Chapter of Goodness, divinity > > > > > > > > and progressiveness. I hope we all > > > > > > > > try to mantain this, at least till the > > > > > > > > next week with no provocations around. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Talking of numbers I also re-call the Number > > > > > > > > Triple Six, I shudder to type it. When my > > > > > > > > own Group Jyotish_Ganga reached this Number > > > > > > > > (Of members) we had a very harrowing time > > > > > > > > with a Member who was just not > > > > > > > > interested in others views, did not know > > > > > > > > much about astrology but kept arguing > > > > > > > > unnecessarily, ultimately leading to > > > > > > > > his Ban, which was the only Ban > > > > > > > > in the 6 months history of the Forum. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Wish the Great Group and the Great members > > > > > > > > of this Forum, all the best, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yours , > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 7, 2007 Report Share Posted April 7, 2007 ll HARE RAM ll Dear Mr.Vekhande, Thanks for rectification and sorry for mistake. God bless Shashie Shekhar Prabodh Vekhande <amolmandar wrote: Dear Shashie Shekhar Namaste > When Gandhi ji,according to you who was responsible for three >partitions at that time Sardar patel and Lala Lajpat Rai were >alived,why both of them could not be successfully stopped to him? >They tried but Desh,Kaal and paristhiti become more important. Excuse me for pointing this but Lalaji died in 1928. Thanks a lot for your Time and Sapce. Prabodh Vekhande Jai Jai Shankar Har Har Shankar , Shashie Shekhar wrote: > > ll HARE RAM ll > Dear Bhaskar Bhai, > Ram Ram, > To have positive thinking means cowardness.Lord Ram and Lord Krishna were too much positve thinker but were they cowered? On the other hand to be out spoken is the sign of any bravery? Do you know? What Lord Krishna said to Shisupaal when he was abusing him.He warned him " Ok you can abuse me 100 times but if you do cross the said limit,i will kill you. " and he did the same as soon as he crossed the limit. > When Gandhi ji,according to you who was responsible for three partitions at that time Sardar patel and Lala Lajpat Rai were alived,why both of them could not be successfully stopped to him?They tried but Desh,Kaal and paristhiti become more important. These are the Sansrit Shlokas that you,me and others advised for suggesting Remedies as Ram Rakshastotram,Narayan Kavach and others.Are these making a person cowered?Durga Saptshati,can make a person cowered? is written in Sankrit. Mostly persons now a days wear Gem stones.Are they do not have proper advices about the same? are they all taking advices from the astrologers of or other Groups.Nearly 90% astrologers do not know about or other Groups.Are they not learned? > There is no logic to make difference among the sacrifices of Sardar Bhagat Singh,ChandraShekhar Azad,Jhanshi ki Rani or Shivaji Maharaaj,Gandhi ji and others.All they do his work for the freedom of motherland by their own way with strong dedication.My brother i am unable to understand what & why do you want to say so?What is the meaning behind this? > It is my humble request to you plz do not waste your energy.To make sense in any circumstances is the essence of life that makes a person bold and strong. > Before giving answer to any one plz read the Chaupaaies of Ramcharitmanas in between the Doha of 79 to 80 of Lankakand.I hope you will respect my words. > > God bless > Shashie Shekhar > > > Bhaskar wrote: > Dear Shashie Bhai, > > Ram Ram. > > You are a good and kind soul. > But because we are thinking good the world does not become good. > because we are thinking wise, the world does not become wise, > If I do not keep enemity inside , no one will become my enemy. > This is all bakwaas (Nonsensical talks). > Because I love Raveena Tandon or Katreena Kaif even she would > love me this is all bakwaas. > This is good for religious sermons or preaching, but not > practical living. > Evil would remain evil whether I am good or not. > Dirty person would remain dirty whether I remain clean or not. > A foolish person would not become an astrologer just because > I am not. > and because I am a astrologer does not mean every one > I meet would become an astrologer. > > These sermons are good just to view the whole world as good. > And see the positiveness in each and his actions. > These sermons are good for a Yogi or a detached person. > Not for one living in this world. > We have to be strict with our enemies and > those who create trouble. That is why the Courts and Judges are made. > Just because the courts and Judges dispense justice does not > mean that all criminals are good. > I mean to say that lets get into the world when we are > living into it and treat the rascals as rascals and the > saints as saints. > No use quoting Sanskrit shlokas and trying to mis-lead the masses and > the members involved in any arguments. > better to hit the enemies at the right place and make them understand > rather than to preach to the already good man and try to look good. > theres a saying in Hindi which all the indians must be knowing that > the Ghosts who understand the language of kicks would not understand > the language of religious sermons., so better kick them. > (Laatoon ke bhoot baaton se nahin mante). > > therefore I prefer to be practical like Shahid Bhagatsingh and > Subhash Chandra Bose and Vallabh Bhai patel or lala Lajpatrai or > Rani Jhansi or Prithviraj Chauhan or Shivaji Maharaaj and not > impractical and misguided misplaced religious like Mahatma Gandhi who > has already created 3 partitions in this country after his passing > away,and we are now ready for another two more partitions and those > areas which are not partitioned would still remain with the > minorities as Majorities and not vice versa as in the books or paper. > > If this carries on further without being refrained, then its not long > when we would become minorities and the so called minorirites of > today, Majorities. The whole North east is gone. Khalistan is on the > threshold, Quota system is on the minds of the politicians, > Tamil Nadu is already granting 60% reservations to the minorities. > This is all because of stupid people in our country from our own > families who preach sermons and quote sanskrit sholkas . Where the > sword is to be used they use Shlokas , which is the downfall of our > country due to such people. > > I am better off a warrior, instead of looking good in front of my > adversaries or third persons.I would rather execute 10 enemies of my > country rather than preach. > > Sorry, but every astrologer should also be a good strong warrior and > switch over roles when required.Use the sword when you meet a bad > astrologer who fools people, and use the sword when you meet a bad > man and use the sword whenever you see injustice,Dont run away, be a > one Fathers son, be a Real Mothers son, be true to the milk You have > drunk of you mothers chest, be a good son,Father,Brother,Uncle and be > a good astrologer or else be ready to be executed. Fight till the last > breath when you see injustice or wrong doing in any field and do not > worry , if You are right then God is with you. > And never use Sanksrit shlokas or Pravachan (Sermons) to hide your > cowardice under the guise of these and trying to look good, when you > should be using the Sword. > > Shashie Bhai this above lecture is not for you, but for all of us to > remind ourselves of what we should be. Real Sons of this Soil and the > Mother whose Blood and milk we are made of.I have always mantained > the above till now calling a spade a spade instead of a jade. > And treating a enemy like one, instead of trying to cajole him into > my side by Pravachans(Sermons).I would rather punish him and make him > see sense and then love him once he realises his mistake and > repents and not before that. and before punishing too i show lots of > compassion and give many chances like Prithviraj Chauhan. > But the Mohammed Ghauris have to be exterminated ,they know no other > language.No sermons should be wasted on them just to look good or for > our image keeping. > > best wishes, > Bhaskar. > > > , Chandrashekhar > wrote: > > > > Dear Shashie Shekhar, > > > > Thank you for your kind words. > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > Shashie Shekhar wrote: > > > > > > ll HARE RAM ll > > > Dear Mr.Chandrashekhar, > > > You have very nice and positive approach that is utmost needed.I > do > > > appreciate you.If our thinking is positive,every thing is > auspicious. > > > > > > God bless > > > Shashie Shekhar > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar > > > wrote: > > > Dear Anna, > > > > > > You are too kind. > > > > > > Take care, > > > Chandrashekhar > > > > > > 108ar wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Chandrashekhar, > > > > Yes, your father did a good job- as far as I know you've always > been > > > > very positive- patient, well-wisher, never exaggerating > problems. You > > > > are a role model for astrologers' ethics. > > > > Best wishes, > > > > Anna > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar, > > > > > > > > No mystery in what I wrote. I only wrote what I thought was > being > > > > referred to and wanted to confirm that my understanding of > calling the > > > > number auspicious was based on the parameters I assumed were > the reason > > > > for it to be so. > > > > > > > > I have been taught to look at the positive aspect of any matter > by my > > > > father, when I began learning astrology and I follow that > principle. > > > > > > > > Take care, > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > Bhaskar wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Chandrasekharji, > > > > > > > > > > yes its 786 . You are absolutely right. and > > > > > not 768. > > > > > You are the only one who is talking > > > > > positively uptil now (Is it ? Or pointing out > > > > > errors made by someone is negative ? I leave > > > > > it to you to decide )rest of the people are talking only > > > > > about triple 6 and 13 number. but You are the only one > > > > > who has pointed out my mistake. > > > > > Now this is to be considered as positive or > > > > > negative contribution I do not know. > > > > > If contribution means pointing out mistakes of other > > > > > members then its fine. > > > > > if contribution means adding to what others have > > > > > written without worry of committing mistakes or > > > > > seen by others, I would > > > > > consider that as real contribution. > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Chandrashekhar > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar, > > > > > > > > > > > > If, as I think, by 768 being an auspicious number you are > referring > > > > > to > > > > > > the Muslim auspicious number, I think it is 786 and not 768. > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > > > > Bharat - Hindu Astrology wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste Sri Bhaskar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The number 666 has been wrongly projected as a number of > the > > > > > beast or the > > > > > > > devil. This is part of Church's wrongdoings. It has been > stated > > > > > time and > > > > > > > again that Church does not follow Christ but used his > name to > > > > > further > > > > > > > their > > > > > > > power and control. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The number 666 adds to 18=9. 6 is the number of the female > > > > > (Venus). " 9 " > > > > > > > representing Mars is the male factor. When " 1 " that is > the truth - > > > > > or > > > > > > > Shiva; > > > > > > > expresses itself and appears as Shakti, there is > multiplicity > > > > > (perhaps > > > > > > > indicated by three sixes). Action " 8 " Saturn is born then. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Think about it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks and Regards > > > > > > > Bharat > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 03 Apr 2007 23:27:53 -0700, Bhaskar > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Friends, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The Number of Members in this Vibrant Group > > > > > > > > has now reached to the auspicious figure 768. > > > > > > > > This heralds a new Chapter in the history > > > > > > > > of this group,a Chapter of Goodness, divinity > > > > > > > > and progressiveness. I hope we all > > > > > > > > try to mantain this, at least till the > > > > > > > > next week with no provocations around. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Talking of numbers I also re-call the Number > > > > > > > > Triple Six, I shudder to type it. When my > > > > > > > > own Group Jyotish_Ganga reached this Number > > > > > > > > (Of members) we had a very harrowing time > > > > > > > > with a Member who was just not > > > > > > > > interested in others views, did not know > > > > > > > > much about astrology but kept arguing > > > > > > > > unnecessarily, ultimately leading to > > > > > > > > his Ban, which was the only Ban > > > > > > > > in the 6 months history of the Forum. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Wish the Great Group and the Great members > > > > > > > > of this Forum, all the best, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yours , > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 7, 2007 Report Share Posted April 7, 2007 Namaste Shri Bharatji and Shashie Bhai , Ram Ram to You both. A kind word and a slap both have values. When to use Chaupiees and when to reprimand the perpetrator is the differnce i wishehed for from you and all. Its like trying to scold a daughter in law who is harrassed by road side Romeos, for no fault of hers that she should not go out in evenings to buy the house hold stuff. Instead of scolding her and trying to read Chaupiees or Shlokas and make her understand, its the sword which has to be used on the road side Romeos, is what I meant. One should have the strong power and convictions to do that and not otherwise.Staying mum is also not advisable when one sees the other simply crucified.The person on the Cross has not to be given sermons but those who have put him there should be dealt with strictly and taken to task. Anyway I respect You and your words. regards, Bhaskar. , " Bharat - Hindu Astrology " <astrologyhindu wrote: > > Namaste Sri Bhaskar > > Before we decide what we have to protect, we have to be clear with the > definition of Dharma. Before we decide what we have to change, we have to be > clear that it does require change. Before we decide to act, we have to be > clear when to act. > > If on one hand you say Sanskrit Shlokas, which carry the essence of the > purpose of Life and explain dharma, are all " bakwaas " , then, what are we > trying to protect in our " majority " . If the basis of our culture, our life, > our thinking, our jyotish, etc., which is rooted in Shlokas is incorrect, > then, why protect? > > It is important to know what we can change and what we cannot. The person > who knows this clearly is considered wise and mature. > > We may fight all our lives for something only to realize we are fighting > with our own shadows. I have seen many examples of " calling a dog mad and > shooting it " . > > Moreover, who decides for the masses? Who gives one the authority to decide > for the masses, what is correct for them and what is not? Should we assume > this authority? In this group and whole lot of people whom I know and is > connected with, fight against injustice. We may do so by the power of words, > pen, sword, mantra chanting, studies, etc. This depends upon the time and > what needs to be done where. > > Coming to the principle, which I had stated: > When there is no enmity inside, then you wouldn't see anyone as your enemy - > This does not mean others won't see you as one. > When you are loving, then you wouldn't look outside of yourself for love - > This does not mean the entire world may fall in love with you. They may or > they may not. > > Sri Arjuna did tapas for 13 years and intense sadhana for many years to gain > weapons and blessings of the lord. It was then, that he fought the > Mahabharata war. Sri Chanakya spent all of his childhood and youth in > learning of dharma and arthashastra. He, then, groomed, Chandragupta a mere > child, to be the future ruler of the country. He defeated the mighty Greeks > with his know-how of Dharma and knowing what to protect. Infact, when Sri > Chandragupta fought against the Indian soldiers, who fought from Greek side, > he wouldn't kill them but instead say that they are our brothers. Through > this love, most of the Indian soldiers turned against their Greek masters. > > I am very happy to note that Sri Shashie has replied to you in a very nice > manner. His advise is mature and fitting. > > I am no one to stop you from fighting or from what you have decided already. > However, I do not agree to what you stated. > > Thanks and Regards > Bharat > > On 06 Apr 2007 12:29:03 -0700, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: > > > > Dear Shashie Bhai, > > > > Ram Ram. > > > > You are a good and kind soul. > > But because we are thinking good the world does not become good. > > because we are thinking wise, the world does not become wise, > > If I do not keep enemity inside , no one will become my enemy. > > This is all bakwaas (Nonsensical talks). > > Because I love Raveena Tandon or Katreena Kaif even she would > > love me this is all bakwaas. > > This is good for religious sermons or preaching, but not > > practical living. > > Evil would remain evil whether I am good or not. > > Dirty person would remain dirty whether I remain clean or not. > > A foolish person would not become an astrologer just because > > I am not. > > and because I am a astrologer does not mean every one > > I meet would become an astrologer. > > > > These sermons are good just to view the whole world as good. > > And see the positiveness in each and his actions. > > These sermons are good for a Yogi or a detached person. > > Not for one living in this world. > > We have to be strict with our enemies and > > those who create trouble. That is why the Courts and Judges are made. > > Just because the courts and Judges dispense justice does not > > mean that all criminals are good. > > I mean to say that lets get into the world when we are > > living into it and treat the rascals as rascals and the > > saints as saints. > > No use quoting Sanskrit shlokas and trying to mis-lead the masses and > > the members involved in any arguments. > > better to hit the enemies at the right place and make them understand > > rather than to preach to the already good man and try to look good. > > theres a saying in Hindi which all the indians must be knowing that > > the Ghosts who understand the language of kicks would not understand > > the language of religious sermons., so better kick them. > > (Laatoon ke bhoot baaton se nahin mante). > > > > therefore I prefer to be practical like Shahid Bhagatsingh and > > Subhash Chandra Bose and Vallabh Bhai patel or lala Lajpatrai or > > Rani Jhansi or Prithviraj Chauhan or Shivaji Maharaaj and not > > impractical and misguided misplaced religious like Mahatma Gandhi who > > has already created 3 partitions in this country after his passing > > away,and we are now ready for another two more partitions and those > > areas which are not partitioned would still remain with the > > minorities as Majorities and not vice versa as in the books or paper. > > > > If this carries on further without being refrained, then its not long > > when we would become minorities and the so called minorirites of > > today, Majorities. The whole North east is gone. Khalistan is on the > > threshold, Quota system is on the minds of the politicians, > > Tamil Nadu is already granting 60% reservations to the minorities. > > This is all because of stupid people in our country from our own > > families who preach sermons and quote sanskrit sholkas . Where the > > sword is to be used they use Shlokas , which is the downfall of our > > country due to such people. > > > > I am better off a warrior, instead of looking good in front of my > > adversaries or third persons.I would rather execute 10 enemies of my > > country rather than preach. > > > > Sorry, but every astrologer should also be a good strong warrior and > > switch over roles when required.Use the sword when you meet a bad > > astrologer who fools people, and use the sword when you meet a bad > > man and use the sword whenever you see injustice,Dont run away, be a > > one Fathers son, be a Real Mothers son, be true to the milk You have > > drunk of you mothers chest, be a good son,Father,Brother,Uncle and be > > a good astrologer or else be ready to be executed. Fight till the last > > breath when you see injustice or wrong doing in any field and do not > > worry , if You are right then God is with you. > > And never use Sanksrit shlokas or Pravachan (Sermons) to hide your > > cowardice under the guise of these and trying to look good, when you > > should be using the Sword. > > > > Shashie Bhai this above lecture is not for you, but for all of us to > > remind ourselves of what we should be. Real Sons of this Soil and the > > Mother whose Blood and milk we are made of.I have always mantained > > the above till now calling a spade a spade instead of a jade. > > And treating a enemy like one, instead of trying to cajole him into > > my side by Pravachans(Sermons).I would rather punish him and make him > > see sense and then love him once he realises his mistake and > > repents and not before that. and before punishing too i show lots of > > compassion and give many chances like Prithviraj Chauhan. > > But the Mohammed Ghauris have to be exterminated ,they know no other > > language.No sermons should be wasted on them just to look good or for > > our image keeping. > > > > best wishes, > > Bhaskar. > > > > <% 40>, > > Chandrashekhar > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Shashie Shekhar, > > > > > > Thank you for your kind words. > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > Shashie Shekhar wrote: > > > > > > > > ll HARE RAM ll > > > > Dear Mr.Chandrashekhar, > > > > You have very nice and positive approach that is utmost needed.I > > do > > > > appreciate you.If our thinking is positive,every thing is > > auspicious. > > > > > > > > God bless > > > > Shashie Shekhar > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar <chandrashekhar46@ > > > > > > <chandrashekhar46%40.co.uk>> wrote: > > > > Dear Anna, > > > > > > > > You are too kind. > > > > > > > > Take care, > > > > Chandrashekhar > > > > > > > > 108ar wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Chandrashekhar, > > > > > Yes, your father did a good job- as far as I know you've always > > been > > > > > very positive- patient, well-wisher, never exaggerating > > problems. You > > > > > are a role model for astrologers' ethics. > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > Anna > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar, > > > > > > > > > > No mystery in what I wrote. I only wrote what I thought was > > being > > > > > referred to and wanted to confirm that my understanding of > > calling the > > > > > number auspicious was based on the parameters I assumed were > > the reason > > > > > for it to be so. > > > > > > > > > > I have been taught to look at the positive aspect of any matter > > by my > > > > > father, when I began learning astrology and I follow that > > principle. > > > > > > > > > > Take care, > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Chandrasekharji, > > > > > > > > > > > > yes its 786 . You are absolutely right. and > > > > > > not 768. > > > > > > You are the only one who is talking > > > > > > positively uptil now (Is it ? Or pointing out > > > > > > errors made by someone is negative ? I leave > > > > > > it to you to decide )rest of the people are talking only > > > > > > about triple 6 and 13 number. but You are the only one > > > > > > who has pointed out my mistake. > > > > > > Now this is to be considered as positive or > > > > > > negative contribution I do not know. > > > > > > If contribution means pointing out mistakes of other > > > > > > members then its fine. > > > > > > if contribution means adding to what others have > > > > > > written without worry of committing mistakes or > > > > > > seen by others, I would > > > > > > consider that as real contribution. > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > <% 40> > > > > <%40> > > > > > > > > > > > , Chandrashekhar > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If, as I think, by 768 being an auspicious number you are > > referring > > > > > > to > > > > > > > the Muslim auspicious number, I think it is 786 and not 768. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bharat - Hindu Astrology wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste Sri Bhaskar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The number 666 has been wrongly projected as a number of > > the > > > > > > beast or the > > > > > > > > devil. This is part of Church's wrongdoings. It has been > > stated > > > > > > time and > > > > > > > > again that Church does not follow Christ but used his > > name to > > > > > > further > > > > > > > > their > > > > > > > > power and control. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The number 666 adds to 18=9. 6 is the number of the female > > > > > > (Venus). " 9 " > > > > > > > > representing Mars is the male factor. When " 1 " that is > > the truth - > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > Shiva; > > > > > > > > expresses itself and appears as Shakti, there is > > multiplicity > > > > > > (perhaps > > > > > > > > indicated by three sixes). Action " 8 " Saturn is born then. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Think about it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks and Regards > > > > > > > > Bharat > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 03 Apr 2007 23:27:53 -0700, Bhaskar > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Friends, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The Number of Members in this Vibrant Group > > > > > > > > > has now reached to the auspicious figure 768. > > > > > > > > > This heralds a new Chapter in the history > > > > > > > > > of this group,a Chapter of Goodness, divinity > > > > > > > > > and progressiveness. I hope we all > > > > > > > > > try to mantain this, at least till the > > > > > > > > > next week with no provocations around. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Talking of numbers I also re-call the Number > > > > > > > > > Triple Six, I shudder to type it. When my > > > > > > > > > own Group Jyotish_Ganga reached this Number > > > > > > > > > (Of members) we had a very harrowing time > > > > > > > > > with a Member who was just not > > > > > > > > > interested in others views, did not know > > > > > > > > > much about astrology but kept arguing > > > > > > > > > unnecessarily, ultimately leading to > > > > > > > > > his Ban, which was the only Ban > > > > > > > > > in the 6 months history of the Forum. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Wish the Great Group and the Great members > > > > > > > > > of this Forum, all the best, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yours , > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 7, 2007 Report Share Posted April 7, 2007 Namaste Shri Bharatji, Before I am mistaken and misunderstood especially by you, let me say that I know and believe in the power of shlokas, and definitely use them in day to day life and for many small and big ailments physical or mental. These have been part of my life since childhood and form a inetgral part of my day to day activities. Some day if I become a big politician You would surely have me by your side and see a real Ram Rajya in India. Yes I am ending my notes on above thread here. I appreciate the good work you people are doing for the good of Indian culture. best wishes, Bhaskar. , " Bharat - Hindu Astrology " <astrologyhindu wrote: > > Namaste Sri Bhaskar > > See, what some people who by the power of Shlokas do: > 1. http://www.arpana.org/ashram/ : This is an ashram of national importance > and serves more than 1200 villages in Haryana and Punjab. It is transforming > people in a major way. > > 2. http://www.aimforseva.org/ : Launched by Pujya Gurudev Sri Swami > Dayanandaji to protect the national culture and to bring focus on Vedic > learning. This is a hugely positive reply to the forced conversions or > material benefit conversions being executed by idiotic Church " fathers " all > over the country. Sri Swami Dayananda has written extensively on how the > cultural erosion is being done by the Vatican all over the world and > especially in India. > > 3. You have said North-East is gone. It has gone nowhere. On of our > organization trains people from North-East and finds them jobs across the > country. More than 1000 people have been trained and recruited. If > Politicans and state governments were a little more cooperative, this number > could easily be 40,000. > > There are hundreds and thousands of others who are performing such tasks. > > We shall end these non-astrological posts now, since they are not adding to > any more value to Jyotish. > > Thanks and Regards > Bharat > > > > > On 4/7/07, Bharat - Hindu Astrology <astrologyhindu wrote: > > > > Namaste Sri Bhaskar > > > > Before we decide what we have to protect, we have to be clear with the > > definition of Dharma. Before we decide what we have to change, we have to be > > clear that it does require change. Before we decide to act, we have to be > > clear when to act. > > > > If on one hand you say Sanskrit Shlokas, which carry the essence of the > > purpose of Life and explain dharma, are all " bakwaas " , then, what are we > > trying to protect in our " majority " . If the basis of our culture, our life, > > our thinking, our jyotish, etc., which is rooted in Shlokas is incorrect, > > then, why protect? > > > > It is important to know what we can change and what we cannot. The person > > who knows this clearly is considered wise and mature. > > > > We may fight all our lives for something only to realize we are fighting > > with our own shadows. I have seen many examples of " calling a dog mad and > > shooting it " . > > > > Moreover, who decides for the masses? Who gives one the authority to > > decide for the masses, what is correct for them and what is not? Should we > > assume this authority? In this group and whole lot of people whom I know and > > is connected with, fight against injustice. We may do so by the power of > > words, pen, sword, mantra chanting, studies, etc. This depends upon the time > > and what needs to be done where. > > > > Coming to the principle, which I had stated: > > When there is no enmity inside, then you wouldn't see anyone as your enemy > > - This does not mean others won't see you as one. > > When you are loving, then you wouldn't look outside of yourself for love - > > This does not mean the entire world may fall in love with you. They may or > > they may not. > > > > Sri Arjuna did tapas for 13 years and intense sadhana for many years to > > gain weapons and blessings of the lord. It was then, that he fought the > > Mahabharata war. Sri Chanakya spent all of his childhood and youth in > > learning of dharma and arthashastra. He, then, groomed, Chandragupta a mere > > child, to be the future ruler of the country. He defeated the mighty Greeks > > with his know-how of Dharma and knowing what to protect. Infact, when Sri > > Chandragupta fought against the Indian soldiers, who fought from Greek side, > > he wouldn't kill them but instead say that they are our brothers. Through > > this love, most of the Indian soldiers turned against their Greek masters. > > > > I am very happy to note that Sri Shashie has replied to you in a very nice > > manner. His advise is mature and fitting. > > > > I am no one to stop you from fighting or from what you have decided > > already. However, I do not agree to what you stated. > > > > Thanks and Regards > > Bharat > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 06 Apr 2007 12:29:03 -0700, Bhaskar < bhaskar_jyotish > > wrote: > > > > > > Dear Shashie Bhai, > > > > > > Ram Ram. > > > > > > You are a good and kind soul. > > > But because we are thinking good the world does not become good. > > > because we are thinking wise, the world does not become wise, > > > If I do not keep enemity inside , no one will become my enemy. > > > This is all bakwaas (Nonsensical talks). > > > Because I love Raveena Tandon or Katreena Kaif even she would > > > love me this is all bakwaas. > > > This is good for religious sermons or preaching, but not > > > practical living. > > > Evil would remain evil whether I am good or not. > > > Dirty person would remain dirty whether I remain clean or not. > > > A foolish person would not become an astrologer just because > > > I am not. > > > and because I am a astrologer does not mean every one > > > I meet would become an astrologer. > > > > > > These sermons are good just to view the whole world as good. > > > And see the positiveness in each and his actions. > > > These sermons are good for a Yogi or a detached person. > > > Not for one living in this world. > > > We have to be strict with our enemies and > > > those who create trouble. That is why the Courts and Judges are made. > > > Just because the courts and Judges dispense justice does not > > > mean that all criminals are good. > > > I mean to say that lets get into the world when we are > > > living into it and treat the rascals as rascals and the > > > saints as saints. > > > No use quoting Sanskrit shlokas and trying to mis-lead the masses and > > > the members involved in any arguments. > > > better to hit the enemies at the right place and make them understand > > > rather than to preach to the already good man and try to look good. > > > theres a saying in Hindi which all the indians must be knowing that > > > the Ghosts who understand the language of kicks would not understand > > > the language of religious sermons., so better kick them. > > > (Laatoon ke bhoot baaton se nahin mante). > > > > > > therefore I prefer to be practical like Shahid Bhagatsingh and > > > Subhash Chandra Bose and Vallabh Bhai patel or lala Lajpatrai or > > > Rani Jhansi or Prithviraj Chauhan or Shivaji Maharaaj and not > > > impractical and misguided misplaced religious like Mahatma Gandhi who > > > has already created 3 partitions in this country after his passing > > > away,and we are now ready for another two more partitions and those > > > areas which are not partitioned would still remain with the > > > minorities as Majorities and not vice versa as in the books or paper. > > > > > > If this carries on further without being refrained, then its not long > > > when we would become minorities and the so called minorirites of > > > today, Majorities. The whole North east is gone. Khalistan is on the > > > threshold, Quota system is on the minds of the politicians, > > > Tamil Nadu is already granting 60% reservations to the minorities. > > > This is all because of stupid people in our country from our own > > > families who preach sermons and quote sanskrit sholkas . Where the > > > sword is to be used they use Shlokas , which is the downfall of our > > > country due to such people. > > > > > > I am better off a warrior, instead of looking good in front of my > > > adversaries or third persons.I would rather execute 10 enemies of my > > > country rather than preach. > > > > > > Sorry, but every astrologer should also be a good strong warrior and > > > switch over roles when required.Use the sword when you meet a bad > > > astrologer who fools people, and use the sword when you meet a bad > > > man and use the sword whenever you see injustice,Dont run away, be a > > > one Fathers son, be a Real Mothers son, be true to the milk You have > > > drunk of you mothers chest, be a good son,Father,Brother,Uncle and be > > > a good astrologer or else be ready to be executed. Fight till the last > > > breath when you see injustice or wrong doing in any field and do not > > > worry , if You are right then God is with you. > > > And never use Sanksrit shlokas or Pravachan (Sermons) to hide your > > > cowardice under the guise of these and trying to look good, when you > > > should be using the Sword. > > > > > > Shashie Bhai this above lecture is not for you, but for all of us to > > > remind ourselves of what we should be. Real Sons of this Soil and the > > > Mother whose Blood and milk we are made of.I have always mantained > > > the above till now calling a spade a spade instead of a jade. > > > And treating a enemy like one, instead of trying to cajole him into > > > my side by Pravachans(Sermons).I would rather punish him and make him > > > see sense and then love him once he realises his mistake and > > > repents and not before that. and before punishing too i show lots of > > > compassion and give many chances like Prithviraj Chauhan. > > > But the Mohammed Ghauris have to be exterminated ,they know no other > > > language.No sermons should be wasted on them just to look good or for > > > our image keeping. > > > > > > best wishes, > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > <% 40>, > > > Chandrashekhar > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Shashie Shekhar, > > > > > > > > Thank you for your kind words. > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > Shashie Shekhar wrote: > > > > > > > > > > ll HARE RAM ll > > > > > Dear Mr.Chandrashekhar, > > > > > You have very nice and positive approach that is utmost needed.I > > > do > > > > > appreciate you.If our thinking is positive,every thing is > > > auspicious. > > > > > > > > > > God bless > > > > > Shashie Shekhar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar <chandrashekhar46@ > > > > > > > > <chandrashekhar46%40. co.uk>> wrote: > > > > > Dear Anna, > > > > > > > > > > You are too kind. > > > > > > > > > > Take care, > > > > > Chandrashekhar > > > > > > > > > > 108ar wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Chandrashekhar, > > > > > > Yes, your father did a good job- as far as I know you've always > > > been > > > > > > very positive- patient, well-wisher, never exaggerating > > > problems. You > > > > > > are a role model for astrologers' ethics. > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > Anna > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar, > > > > > > > > > > > > No mystery in what I wrote. I only wrote what I thought was > > > being > > > > > > referred to and wanted to confirm that my understanding of > > > calling the > > > > > > number auspicious was based on the parameters I assumed were > > > the reason > > > > > > for it to be so. > > > > > > > > > > > > I have been taught to look at the positive aspect of any matter > > > by my > > > > > > father, when I began learning astrology and I follow that > > > principle. > > > > > > > > > > > > Take care, > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Chandrasekharji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > yes its 786 . You are absolutely right. and > > > > > > > not 768. > > > > > > > You are the only one who is talking > > > > > > > positively uptil now (Is it ? Or pointing out > > > > > > > errors made by someone is negative ? I leave > > > > > > > it to you to decide )rest of the people are talking only > > > > > > > about triple 6 and 13 number. but You are the only one > > > > > > > who has pointed out my mistake. > > > > > > > Now this is to be considered as positive or > > > > > > > negative contribution I do not know. > > > > > > > If contribution means pointing out mistakes of other > > > > > > > members then its fine. > > > > > > > if contribution means adding to what others have > > > > > > > written without worry of committing mistakes or > > > > > > > seen by others, I would > > > > > > > consider that as real contribution. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <% 40> > > > > > <%40> > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Chandrashekhar > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If, as I think, by 768 being an auspicious number you are > > > referring > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > the Muslim auspicious number, I think it is 786 and not 768. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bharat - Hindu Astrology wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste Sri Bhaskar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The number 666 has been wrongly projected as a number of > > > the > > > > > > > beast or the > > > > > > > > > devil. This is part of Church's wrongdoings. It has been > > > stated > > > > > > > time and > > > > > > > > > again that Church does not follow Christ but used his > > > name to > > > > > > > further > > > > > > > > > their > > > > > > > > > power and control. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The number 666 adds to 18=9. 6 is the number of the female > > > > > > > (Venus). " 9 " > > > > > > > > > representing Mars is the male factor. When " 1 " that is > > > the truth - > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > Shiva; > > > > > > > > > expresses itself and appears as Shakti, there is > > > multiplicity > > > > > > > (perhaps > > > > > > > > > indicated by three sixes). Action " 8 " Saturn is born then. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Think about it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks and Regards > > > > > > > > > Bharat > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 03 Apr 2007 23:27:53 -0700, Bhaskar > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Friends, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The Number of Members in this Vibrant Group > > > > > > > > > > has now reached to the auspicious figure 768. > > > > > > > > > > This heralds a new Chapter in the history > > > > > > > > > > of this group,a Chapter of Goodness, divinity > > > > > > > > > > and progressiveness. I hope we all > > > > > > > > > > try to mantain this, at least till the > > > > > > > > > > next week with no provocations around. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Talking of numbers I also re-call the Number > > > > > > > > > > Triple Six, I shudder to type it. When my > > > > > > > > > > own Group Jyotish_Ganga reached this Number > > > > > > > > > > (Of members) we had a very harrowing time > > > > > > > > > > with a Member who was just not > > > > > > > > > > interested in others views, did not know > > > > > > > > > > much about astrology but kept arguing > > > > > > > > > > unnecessarily, ultimately leading to > > > > > > > > > > his Ban, which was the only Ban > > > > > > > > > > in the 6 months history of the Forum. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Wish the Great Group and the Great members > > > > > > > > > > of this Forum, all the best, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yours , > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------- ------ > > > > > > > ------ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.24/742 - > > > Release Date: > > > > > > > 4/1/2007 8:49 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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