Guest guest Posted April 3, 2007 Report Share Posted April 3, 2007 Dear Alka ji, I pray to Shri Hanuman ji for giving you all the comforts, prosperity,peace,politeness in your life and devotion towards Your Estdeo. I do not want to say any thing about the such bad episode but it is my firm belief that " Vidya Dadaati Vinayam " .Any learning first of all provides politeness.This is the main and very first sign of true learning otherwise this is Kaliyuga we can see in our surroundings that persons are like to declare God himself. Please let we try to think about Shri Hanuman ji. " Atulit bal dhaamam,Hemshailaabh-deham, Danujvan-krishaanum Gyaani-naam-agra-ganyam. Sakal-gun-nidhaanam Vaanaraam-dheesham, Raghupati-priya-bhaktam vaat-jaatam namaami. " Alka ji even though he was proudless or egoless.He never angre to some one for their own purpose if by chance for his estdeo work.So he is bstowed by " Chaaro Yug Prataap Tumhaaraa " and undying always.But these kaliyugi who do not know even self fate do proud a lot and have extreme ego while unknown about will they be able to take next breath or not. This is my last e-mail to any Group or forum.There is nothing except negativity and fake egoism here. Good wishes Ratnaakar alka chawla <jakhc4321 wrote: Respected Bhaskar ji & Ratnaakar ji, Pranaam to both of you, " HANUMAAN JAYANTI ki haardiq shubhkamnaye " I was busy due to some personal reasons. Today when I was opening mails of Jyotishgroup, I felt very bad. Both of you are Pandit's of Astrology (that's what I feel) as I can see your knowldge! But I am feeling very bad that because of my chart, two highly educated people are behaving childish. I am very sorry for such remarks but I feel so. Because of my chart argument started. I aplologize for this. My intention was just to gain knowledge. I don't want to hurt anyone, but in case, I did that in above lines, I again applogize for that. I request you to stop arguments on this topic and began discussions in a friendly atmosphere. Thanks and regards, Alka Ratnaakar Monday, April 2, 2007 1:04:05 AM Re: Re: Stones Dear friends of the forum, I will forward this mail to commissioner of police Mumbai tomorrow.He (Mr.Bhaskar) is openly abusing me using " Pig Mentality " and giving threat to me saying " I would have no other alernative than to reply in my usual style. " What is his style? He already has used vulger language for me. In other mail he says for himself i am half mad and laugh on himself.It is alarming i think Mr.Moderator too have fear of him. Regards Ratnaakar Bhaskar wrote: Dear friends of the Forum, You would agree that I have kept a lot of patience with this person who has not been able to give any sound explanation for the queries put to hom in the start. He is unnecessarily arguing on my explanations instead of proving himself right by giving any supporting explanations to his own staements made initially. He is picking on replies made to others by me, is giving unasked advise to person who addressed me personally about the astrology course. etc.etc. He is talking most disrespectfully since the start and on the attack constantly. Whereas I had mantained a defensive elders stand uptil now. Please do not blame me now, if he again does something foolish as he has been doing uptil now. and I would have no other alternative than to reply in my usual style. I am no Buddha or Mother Theresa or Mahatma Gandho to give my other cheek or keep patience for so long with this pig mentality of his. best regards, Bhaskar. , " Bhaskar " wrote: > > Dear Mr.ratnakar, > > You are a small kid and just entered astrology it seems. You remind > me of that daughter in law who does not know > to make even a sandwich or a cup of tea, who takes a 1 day crash > course on Cooking , and then tries > to teach her mother in law cooking, to that mother in law who is > cooking food two times daily for twenty years and for 10 persons in a > day. > > I have wasted my knowledge and advises on a undeserving person > like you, though my heart and soul reminded me many times not to > waste time on you, yet I kept pity on you and wasted energy and > explanations not deserved by you. > > Ethical or unethical does not come in question. When we talk of 5th > house giving children we do not talk whether it comes unethically or > ethically, or same for marriage or any other such results. Ethical or > not comes only if asked by the native. > > You are really a obstinate fgoolish person who does not warrant to > even receive a word of knowledge on astrology, You are not fit for > same. > > I had realised long back that you dont even know the basics, but want > to appear smart and wise by just using few words you have picked up > by reading half a book on astrology. > > Ruining of knowledge should first requisite some knowledge in the > first case in the brains. > > You it seems have just taken a alias id and come to target me just to > settle some old stupid jealousies or weaknesses in your system which > you are no more able to identify with. > Visit a Psychiatrist and show yourself. You are a shizrophenic and > psychotic person who is self obsessed with his half baked knowledge > just like a half baked pizza which if eaten by the cook will also > create pains and if served to others would also cause digestive > problem.You are a sick person. > > Let the breeze flow and move out. This is not your Fathers Forum to > ask me to come after learning. > > Dont waste my time anymore. Your stupid mails make me reply you, > otherwise one tight slap is enough to put foolish persons in place, > unfortunately long distance does not allow that. > > Bhaskar. > > , Ratnaakar > wrote: > > > > Dear Mr.Bhaskar, > > To take loan for any purpose is a matter of pain for one,purity > of purpose is the secondry matter.If we will not check its > repayment,how can we say 6th provides good oppotunity of getting > money? but i do not want to indulge in such unethical arguements or > in questions & answers arised by you self and do not want to ruin my > knowledge too discussing with you.Plz learn more first after come on > forum.Kindly do not give answer. > > > > Good wishes > > Ratnaakar > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar wrote: > > Sir, > > > > A Railway train is moveable but when it stops at Kasmir and > > a lady gives a birth to a child there, the child would > > have bee nknown to born in Kasmirs atmosphere. When the sam train > > comes down to Delhi and another lady gives > > birth to another Child here, this child would be born in atmosphere > of > > Delhi. So though the movemeing train is same, but different births > > take place at different stops,though the Railway platform may be > > sthool.Same with Planets. > > We are not talking of re-payment when we talk of 6th house. We > > are talking of good effects of 6th house. Loan taking may be good > for > > a person who wants to get married his daughter and has no money for > > the marriage expenditure. So goodness again differes relatively, as > > how one percieves it. When we talk of goodness in astrological > > parlance and with reference to Finance, any finance recived through > > whatever means is good for the native. 6th may give finance > > either through business, Service,Loans or Commissions brokerage etc. > > 8th through Unearned income which normally comes after some tragedy. > > When we have 12th house in front of us, then we talk and see about > re- > > payment and more so if the 5th house is involved. > > > > When money is received through 6th house by business payment > received > > from material sold to sundry debtors, theres no question of > > re-payment. > > > > regards, > > Bhaskar. > > > > , Ratnaakar > > wrote: > > > > > > Dear Mr.Bhaskar, > > > I have explained the same in my first mail sent to you but again > > try to understand over all results will be of planets mainly > because > > degrees are applied on the planets that are moveble and result is > > decided by planets basically.Nakshtras in Hindi have " Sthool " > nature > > but a bit helper indeed. > > > Yes,i am agreed planets in 6th are capable to give good loans but > > remember only loans,it is not sure that native will be able to > repay > > the same in time.Ok > > > > > > Good wishes > > > Ratnaakar > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar wrote: > > > Dear Ratnakar, > > > > > > I should be more patient with you on retrospection. > > > And do not like certain statements I made for you. > > > Just forget whatever you never liked. But remember > > > what was said astrologically. > > > > > > I will explain in short and you may pick up > > > the clues from here. > > > You mentioned something like Mars or some > > > other planet in nakshatra of another and will > > > give effects of Agnittatva etc.etc. > > > That same principle please expand and keep on > > > expanding till you reach the Nakshatras second > > > division.Also please note that any Planet can > > > act in two ways. > > > I will give a example > > > Suppose a Planet X is sitting in 8th house. > > > Then it will not give effects of 8th house entirely. > > > 8th house effects would only come as the source. > > > But what would be the results ? The results would be > > > of the Nakshatra dispositor, where it > > > is sitting and has Lordship over > > > which houses. Suppose the Nakshatra > > > dispositor is sitting in 11th and has > > > Lordship over 2nd house and 5th house. > > > Then the resluts coming from the > > > Planet X would be that the native > > > would get either love marriage > > > or Tremendous profits from > > > speculation in Shares and the likes. > > > (Answer would depend on what the > > > Querist is asking You). > > > > > > The planet in 6th is capable of giving good > > > loans and also very good money from business deals > > > (12th to 7th and 7th is a business customer or > > > one with whom one deals or makes a transaction) ) > > > suppose any planet is in Nakshatra of this > > > Planet sitting in the 6th, > > > then whenever the dasha of this > > > planet comes, the native is capable > > > of getting very good money > > > from his business, or a good job/service too. > > > > > > Thus a Planet though in 6th 8th or 12th > > > is yet capable to give good results if the > > > Nakshatra dispositor is > > > placed in good houses and has lordships > > > over benefic houses. > > > > > > In the same vein and principle , if any Planet > > > is sitting in a good house or has > > > lordships obver benefic houses, > > > but if the Nakshatra dispositor is Lord of > > > Malefic houses and placed too in a malefic house, > > > then the results accrued would > > > be very bad for the native. > > > > > > Keep the above principles in mind > > > and continue studying. You can be a good > > > astrologer in time to come if you > > > are in continous studying, and reviewing of > > > what has been predicted and making notes, > > > on a regular basis. > > > > > > Wish You best of luck and good > > > studies and bright future. > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > (NB The above mail had already been written before you > > > posted the undermentioned mail)I am never perplexed > > > when i talk on astrology. because I always think before > > > writing as a third person, whether what I am writing > > > can be open to or torn to shreds or not, so I > > > always think when I write on astrology. But never think > > > on other matters, for which i regret later on. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Ratnaakar > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > You are looking confused/puzzled. Plz try to give rest to your > > mind > > > otherwise it can be converted in major problem later on.Your > > > behaviour shows you have Leo ascendant and uneasyness in your > faily. > > > > Further i am agree with you that planets placed in 8th house > give > > > goods results, over all this is the house of death the place of > > prime > > > truth but we can not say the same for 6th house.Sometimes it can > > give > > > good results in money matters but sources will not be pure.Your > > last > > > lines show your perplexity.Plz take care. > > > > > > > > Good wishes > > > > Ratnaakar > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar wrote: > > > > I am sorry for your views and feel sad that I would > > > > not be able to help you in changing the same. You > > > > are mistaken first to think that Krishnamorothy is > > > > different from traditional. This is what most > > > > think. Whereas it is just the Nakshatra part > > > > of the Traditional system perfected. Nothing > > > > else. I too use all the approaches when I start > > > > reading a chart,which should be evident to you uptil > > > > now. No bias for any system is going to work, > > > > About Venus, what you find amazing > > > > is advanced astrology which is predictive > > > > and cannot be explained on Forums and to all. > > > > One needs to have a certain degree of understanding > > > > to consume this knowledge. By the way I try to > > > > approach any chart with Traditional, KP, as well > > > > as by Sayana system ,if time is there on hand. > > > > And I am the only one on all these Forums who advises all > > > > to learn all the approaches and let the results come > > > > common from all the approaches to make it the right one. > > > > Do You know that Planet sitting in 8th house can also > > > > give good results, and the planet sitting > > > > in the 6th gives very good results with > > > > regards to money ? But this is not for those who > > > > feel that they know all and everything in astrology. > > > > Unless one takes out that feeling from within and > > > > looks upon himself as a student always, and also tries to > > > > polish his tools and keep them new always by further > > > > studies, only such astrologers need explanations. > > > > Ego or pride whayever you may call it, I do keep > > > > it because that stuff is there to be proud of, with Gods > > > > grace and Gurujis . But always stay humble when it comes > > > > to further learning. And what is a man without an Ego or > > > > a women without some shynes. > > > > > > > > In Your analysis you have sometimes talked about the > > > > general house placement,sometimes about the Chalit, > > > > and sometimes about the Nakshatra in which the planet > > > > is placed. But not given any coherent relationship between > > > > these in your discussions. No facts and no logic. > > > > > > > > Again I advise , please study further to understand what > > > > I have written and meant. I have no time to explain you, > > > > cause you have a blocked mind, and not reached the desired > > > > levels in your learning for my explanations to be fltered > > > > in, or cast pearls before..... > > > > > > > > You need not reply, > > > > and hope you also see what i see today > > > > within few years. > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > , Ratnaakar > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Useless threading.You applied Krishnamurthi System I respect > it > > > but > > > > it is not the perfact alone.Renowned astrologer of India Sh.K N > > Rao > > > > Ji always advise to use Parashari,Jemini and Krishnamurthi on > > each > > > > case and at last result will be same,it is sure.As We can > > identify > > > > one by two ways first to say this is the son of such and such > or > > he > > > > is the father of such fellow but meaning is the same but father > > > will > > > > be father and son will be son.Further Genetic signs can not be > > > change > > > > in one.So If any Planed placed in specific house that will > behave > > > > like the same house more or less.According to you even Venus is > > > > placed in 12th melafic house even than it will not generate > this > > > > house and bad effects and we should make it strong wearing > > diamond, > > > > this is quite amazing. > > > > > Who says this native is not smart,calculative and > intelligent. I > > > > am agree but she will be harsh in speaking,dominating and > > > aggressive > > > > as well.You can ask her frequently about the same.Do not be > rigid > > > for > > > > one system try to check by different systems and check your > study > > > as > > > > well.It is my humble request to you.Do not be cofused and over > > > > confident because your such line shows your egoism clearly " Hope > > to > > > > see you some day as a good contender for discussions. " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Good wishes > > > > > Ratnaakar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar wrote: > > > > > > > > > > You are it seems mixing 2-3 systems and its not going to come > > > > > out a a proper mix let me tell you as a friend. > > > > > If You are going to talk about Nakshatras > > > > > then let me tell you, > > > > > You cannot and one should never > > > > > decide the tattwa or results just because > > > > > the Nakshatra is so n so. That is like opening > > > > > a book of Lind a Goodman and then telling the client > > > > > that Your Sun will behave in this way and the Moon > > > > > that way, by just watching > > > > > what planet is in what sign. > > > > > Thats not astrology if you are > > > > > looking for real astrology. A Nakshatra is to the extent of > > > > > 13.20 degrees and one has to check > > > > > at which degree the Planet is on the particular Nakshatra. > > > > > In the lady's chart > > > > > the Planet would give results of which Planet (considering the > > > > > degree of Nakshatra in which placed). > > > > > is given as under. > > > > > Sun would give results of Mercury. > > > > > Moon of Saturn > > > > > Mars of jupiter > > > > > Mercury of Venus > > > > > Jupiter of Rahu > > > > > Venus of Moon > > > > > Saturn of Jupiter > > > > > Rahu of Mars > > > > > and Ketu of Ravi. > > > > > > > > > > (How and why-I cannot teach ) > > > > > > > > > > If You talk of Chalit, then which House division are you > > talking > > > > of ? > > > > > You cannot mix results of Nakshatra with any house division . > > > > > Saturn is in 10th Bhava in Chalit and not in 11th as you say > > > > > if you are going to relate the Nakshatra system to it. > > > > > > > > > > In fact Jupiter (Though its 8th Lord0 > > > > > and Venus (Though it may be enemy as per you) > > > > > are the only two Planets in her Chart which will give her the > > > > > results of 2, 11 multiplied by 2 times. > > > > > I need not tell you the emaning of this combination. > > > > > > > > > > The native will on the contrary be very smart, calculated, > > > > > intelligent and > > > > > sweet in speaking to her advantage, and not as what You say, > > > > > because her Lagna Lord Sun is in the Nakshatra division of > > > > > mercury which signifies 2 and 11. > > > > > In fact even her Ascendant is in this division and makes it > > > doubly > > > > so. > > > > > > > > > > Saturn signifies 4,5 and 8th Bhava. So if we strenghthen it > > then > > > we > > > > > are making our enemy more stronger to give these results more > > > > > powerfully. > > > > > Saturn is also a Natural enemy to the Lagna Lord Sun, so no > > > question > > > > > of wearing Iron ring. If she wears it then apart from making > > her > > > > 4,5, > > > > > and 8th > > > > > house strong, she is also going to make > > > > > her husband more stronger in giving bad results. > > > > > Already this combination is not goof for any mattter in life > > not > > > > for > > > > > marriage, > > > > > so why to make it more stronger ? > > > > > > > > > > Also do not forget the Signs or ignore them. They also form a > > > part > > > > of > > > > > the Nakshatra system and not away from the same. > > > > > > > > > > The Sun (lagna Lord) is in Earthy and Dual Sign alongwith > Mars > > > and > > > > > Mercury. > > > > > The Moon (mental) Planet is in a Watery and Dual sign. > > > > > Venus is in Watery and Cardinal sign. > > > > > Saturn in Earthy and Fixed sign > > > > > Ketu in Airy and Dual sign. > > > > > Jupiter and Rahu in Fiery and Dual sign. > > > > > > > > > > Then how can we come to conclusion that shw will beharsh in > > > > speaking ? > > > > > No way. The second Cusp is in Nakshatra division of Venus. > And > > > > Venus > > > > > is feminine, > > > > > Watery and beautiful Planet, which will make her speech very > > > sweet > > > > > and not otherwise. > > > > > > > > > > //At last more than 100 highly learned persons are giving > > advices > > > on > > > > > Groups but they are doing this work > > > calmly/silently. Astrology > > > > > needs fact not the logic.Ok// > > > > > > > > > > I do not wish to comment much on this, though i would love to. > > > > > I will just say, that if you feel that some are not working > > > > > silently, then by your targetting these, you would > > > > > not reach an elevated position. Goods have to be > > > > > delivered properly, is the main motto, silently or not > > > > > does not matter. You write along with your id " Namra nivedan' > > > > > but do not behave like this. And I have never claimed to be > > > > > a silent worker. > > > > > > > > > > You have reached a certain stage of learning. But this will === message truncated === Looking for earth-friendly autos? Browse Top Cars by " Green Rating " at Autos' Green Center. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 3, 2007 Report Share Posted April 3, 2007 Dear Alka ji, I pray to Shri Hanuman ji for giving you all the comforts, prosperity,peace,politeness in your life and devotion towards Your Estdeo. I do not want to say any thing about the such bad episode but it is my firm belief that " Vidya Dadaati Vinayam " .Any learning first of all provides politeness.This is the main and very first sign of true learning otherwise this is Kaliyuga we can see in our surroundings that persons are like to declare God himself. Please let we try to think about Shri Hanuman ji. " Atulit bal dhaamam,Hemshailaabh-deham, Danujvan-krishaanum Gyaani-naam-agra-ganyam. Sakal-gun-nidhaanam Vaanaraam-dheesham, Raghupati-priya-bhaktam vaat-jaatam namaami. " Alka ji even though he was proudless or egoless.He never angre to some one for his own purpose if by chance for his estdeo work.So he is bestowed by " Chaaro Yug Prataap Tumhaaraa " and undying always.But these kaliyugi who do not know even self fate do proud a lot and have extreme ego while unknown about will they be able to take next breath or not. This is my last e-mail to any Group or forum.There is nothing except negativity and fake egoism here. Good wishes Ratnaakar alka chawla <jakhc4321 wrote: Respected Bhaskar ji & Ratnaakar ji, Pranaam to both of you, " HANUMAAN JAYANTI ki haardiq shubhkamnaye " I was busy due to some personal reasons. Today when I was opening mails of Jyotishgroup, I felt very bad. Both of you are Pandit's of Astrology (that's what I feel) as I can see your knowldge! But I am feeling very bad that because of my chart, two highly educated people are behaving childish. I am very sorry for such remarks but I feel so. Because of my chart argument started. I aplologize for this. My intention was just to gain knowledge. I don't want to hurt anyone, but in case, I did that in above lines, I again applogize for that. I request you to stop arguments on this topic and began discussions in a friendly atmosphere. Thanks and regards, Alka Ratnaakar Monday, April 2, 2007 1:04:05 AM Re: Re: Stones Dear friends of the forum, I will forward this mail to commissioner of police Mumbai tomorrow.He (Mr.Bhaskar) is openly abusing me using " Pig Mentality " and giving threat to me saying " I would have no other alernative than to reply in my usual style. " What is his style? He already has used vulger language for me. In other mail he says for himself i am half mad and laugh on himself.It is alarming i think Mr.Moderator too have fear of him. Regards Ratnaakar Bhaskar wrote: Dear friends of the Forum, You would agree that I have kept a lot of patience with this person who has not been able to give any sound explanation for the queries put to hom in the start. He is unnecessarily arguing on my explanations instead of proving himself right by giving any supporting explanations to his own staements made initially. He is picking on replies made to others by me, is giving unasked advise to person who addressed me personally about the astrology course. etc.etc. He is talking most disrespectfully since the start and on the attack constantly. Whereas I had mantained a defensive elders stand uptil now. Please do not blame me now, if he again does something foolish as he has been doing uptil now. and I would have no other alternative than to reply in my usual style. I am no Buddha or Mother Theresa or Mahatma Gandho to give my other cheek or keep patience for so long with this pig mentality of his. best regards, Bhaskar. , " Bhaskar " wrote: > > Dear Mr.ratnakar, > > You are a small kid and just entered astrology it seems. You remind > me of that daughter in law who does not know > to make even a sandwich or a cup of tea, who takes a 1 day crash > course on Cooking , and then tries > to teach her mother in law cooking, to that mother in law who is > cooking food two times daily for twenty years and for 10 persons in a > day. > > I have wasted my knowledge and advises on a undeserving person > like you, though my heart and soul reminded me many times not to > waste time on you, yet I kept pity on you and wasted energy and > explanations not deserved by you. > > Ethical or unethical does not come in question. When we talk of 5th > house giving children we do not talk whether it comes unethically or > ethically, or same for marriage or any other such results. Ethical or > not comes only if asked by the native. > > You are really a obstinate fgoolish person who does not warrant to > even receive a word of knowledge on astrology, You are not fit for > same. > > I had realised long back that you dont even know the basics, but want > to appear smart and wise by just using few words you have picked up > by reading half a book on astrology. > > Ruining of knowledge should first requisite some knowledge in the > first case in the brains. > > You it seems have just taken a alias id and come to target me just to > settle some old stupid jealousies or weaknesses in your system which > you are no more able to identify with. > Visit a Psychiatrist and show yourself. You are a shizrophenic and > psychotic person who is self obsessed with his half baked knowledge > just like a half baked pizza which if eaten by the cook will also > create pains and if served to others would also cause digestive > problem.You are a sick person. > > Let the breeze flow and move out. This is not your Fathers Forum to > ask me to come after learning. > > Dont waste my time anymore. Your stupid mails make me reply you, > otherwise one tight slap is enough to put foolish persons in place, > unfortunately long distance does not allow that. > > Bhaskar. > > , Ratnaakar > wrote: > > > > Dear Mr.Bhaskar, > > To take loan for any purpose is a matter of pain for one,purity > of purpose is the secondry matter.If we will not check its > repayment,how can we say 6th provides good oppotunity of getting > money? but i do not want to indulge in such unethical arguements or > in questions & answers arised by you self and do not want to ruin my > knowledge too discussing with you.Plz learn more first after come on > forum.Kindly do not give answer. > > > > Good wishes > > Ratnaakar > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar wrote: > > Sir, > > > > A Railway train is moveable but when it stops at Kasmir and > > a lady gives a birth to a child there, the child would > > have bee nknown to born in Kasmirs atmosphere. When the sam train > > comes down to Delhi and another lady gives > > birth to another Child here, this child would be born in atmosphere > of > > Delhi. So though the movemeing train is same, but different births > > take place at different stops,though the Railway platform may be > > sthool.Same with Planets. > > We are not talking of re-payment when we talk of 6th house. We > > are talking of good effects of 6th house. Loan taking may be good > for > > a person who wants to get married his daughter and has no money for > > the marriage expenditure. So goodness again differes relatively, as > > how one percieves it. When we talk of goodness in astrological > > parlance and with reference to Finance, any finance recived through > > whatever means is good for the native. 6th may give finance > > either through business, Service,Loans or Commissions brokerage etc. > > 8th through Unearned income which normally comes after some tragedy. > > When we have 12th house in front of us, then we talk and see about > re- > > payment and more so if the 5th house is involved. > > > > When money is received through 6th house by business payment > received > > from material sold to sundry debtors, theres no question of > > re-payment. > > > > regards, > > Bhaskar. > > > > , Ratnaakar > > wrote: > > > > > > Dear Mr.Bhaskar, > > > I have explained the same in my first mail sent to you but again > > try to understand over all results will be of planets mainly > because > > degrees are applied on the planets that are moveble and result is > > decided by planets basically.Nakshtras in Hindi have " Sthool " > nature > > but a bit helper indeed. > > > Yes,i am agreed planets in 6th are capable to give good loans but > > remember only loans,it is not sure that native will be able to > repay > > the same in time.Ok > > > > > > Good wishes > > > Ratnaakar > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar wrote: > > > Dear Ratnakar, > > > > > > I should be more patient with you on retrospection. > > > And do not like certain statements I made for you. > > > Just forget whatever you never liked. But remember > > > what was said astrologically. > > > > > > I will explain in short and you may pick up > > > the clues from here. > > > You mentioned something like Mars or some > > > other planet in nakshatra of another and will > > > give effects of Agnittatva etc.etc. > > > That same principle please expand and keep on > > > expanding till you reach the Nakshatras second > > > division.Also please note that any Planet can > > > act in two ways. > > > I will give a example > > > Suppose a Planet X is sitting in 8th house. > > > Then it will not give effects of 8th house entirely. > > > 8th house effects would only come as the source. > > > But what would be the results ? The results would be > > > of the Nakshatra dispositor, where it > > > is sitting and has Lordship over > > > which houses. Suppose the Nakshatra > > > dispositor is sitting in 11th and has > > > Lordship over 2nd house and 5th house. > > > Then the resluts coming from the > > > Planet X would be that the native > > > would get either love marriage > > > or Tremendous profits from > > > speculation in Shares and the likes. > > > (Answer would depend on what the > > > Querist is asking You). > > > > > > The planet in 6th is capable of giving good > > > loans and also very good money from business deals > > > (12th to 7th and 7th is a business customer or > > > one with whom one deals or makes a transaction) ) > > > suppose any planet is in Nakshatra of this > > > Planet sitting in the 6th, > > > then whenever the dasha of this > > > planet comes, the native is capable > > > of getting very good money > > > from his business, or a good job/service too. > > > > > > Thus a Planet though in 6th 8th or 12th > > > is yet capable to give good results if the > > > Nakshatra dispositor is > > > placed in good houses and has lordships > > > over benefic houses. > > > > > > In the same vein and principle , if any Planet > > > is sitting in a good house or has > > > lordships obver benefic houses, > > > but if the Nakshatra dispositor is Lord of > > > Malefic houses and placed too in a malefic house, > > > then the results accrued would > > > be very bad for the native. > > > > > > Keep the above principles in mind > > > and continue studying. You can be a good > > > astrologer in time to come if you > > > are in continous studying, and reviewing of > > > what has been predicted and making notes, > > > on a regular basis. > > > > > > Wish You best of luck and good > > > studies and bright future. > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > (NB The above mail had already been written before you > > > posted the undermentioned mail)I am never perplexed > > > when i talk on astrology. because I always think before > > > writing as a third person, whether what I am writing > > > can be open to or torn to shreds or not, so I > > > always think when I write on astrology. But never think > > > on other matters, for which i regret later on. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Ratnaakar > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > You are looking confused/puzzled. Plz try to give rest to your > > mind > > > otherwise it can be converted in major problem later on.Your > > > behaviour shows you have Leo ascendant and uneasyness in your > faily. > > > > Further i am agree with you that planets placed in 8th house > give > > > goods results, over all this is the house of death the place of > > prime > > > truth but we can not say the same for 6th house.Sometimes it can > > give > > > good results in money matters but sources will not be pure.Your > > last > > > lines show your perplexity.Plz take care. > > > > > > > > Good wishes > > > > Ratnaakar > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar wrote: > > > > I am sorry for your views and feel sad that I would > > > > not be able to help you in changing the same. You > > > > are mistaken first to think that Krishnamorothy is > > > > different from traditional. This is what most > > > > think. Whereas it is just the Nakshatra part > > > > of the Traditional system perfected. Nothing > > > > else. I too use all the approaches when I start > > > > reading a chart,which should be evident to you uptil > > > > now. No bias for any system is going to work, > > > > About Venus, what you find amazing > > > > is advanced astrology which is predictive > > > > and cannot be explained on Forums and to all. > > > > One needs to have a certain degree of understanding > > > > to consume this knowledge. By the way I try to > > > > approach any chart with Traditional, KP, as well > > > > as by Sayana system ,if time is there on hand. > > > > And I am the only one on all these Forums who advises all > > > > to learn all the approaches and let the results come > > > > common from all the approaches to make it the right one. > > > > Do You know that Planet sitting in 8th house can also > > > > give good results, and the planet sitting > > > > in the 6th gives very good results with > > > > regards to money ? But this is not for those who > > > > feel that they know all and everything in astrology. > > > > Unless one takes out that feeling from within and > > > > looks upon himself as a student always, and also tries to > > > > polish his tools and keep them new always by further > > > > studies, only such astrologers need explanations. > > > > Ego or pride whayever you may call it, I do keep > > > > it because that stuff is there to be proud of, with Gods > > > > grace and Gurujis . But always stay humble when it comes > > > > to further learning. And what is a man without an Ego or > > > > a women without some shynes. > > > > > > > > In Your analysis you have sometimes talked about the > > > > general house placement,sometimes about the Chalit, > > > > and sometimes about the Nakshatra in which the planet > > > > is placed. But not given any coherent relationship between > > > > these in your discussions. No facts and no logic. > > > > > > > > Again I advise , please study further to understand what > > > > I have written and meant. I have no time to explain you, > > > > cause you have a blocked mind, and not reached the desired > > > > levels in your learning for my explanations to be fltered > > > > in, or cast pearls before..... > > > > > > > > You need not reply, > > > > and hope you also see what i see today > > > > within few years. > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > , Ratnaakar > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Useless threading.You applied Krishnamurthi System I respect > it > > > but > > > > it is not the perfact alone.Renowned astrologer of India Sh.K N > > Rao > > > > Ji always advise to use Parashari,Jemini and Krishnamurthi on > > each > > > > case and at last result will be same,it is sure.As We can > > identify > > > > one by two ways first to say this is the son of such and such > or > > he > > > > is the father of such fellow but meaning is the same but father > > > will > > > > be father and son will be son.Further Genetic signs can not be > > > change > > > > in one.So If any Planed placed in specific house that will > behave > > > > like the same house more or less.According to you even Venus is > > > > placed in 12th melafic house even than it will not generate > this > > > > house and bad effects and we should make it strong wearing > > diamond, > > > > this is quite amazing. > > > > > Who says this native is not smart,calculative and > intelligent. I > > > > am agree but she will be harsh in speaking,dominating and > > > aggressive > > > > as well.You can ask her frequently about the same.Do not be > rigid > > > for > > > > one system try to check by different systems and check your > study > > > as > > > > well.It is my humble request to you.Do not be cofused and over > > > > confident because your such line shows your egoism clearly " Hope > > to > > > > see you some day as a good contender for discussions. " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Good wishes > > > > > Ratnaakar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar wrote: > > > > > > > > > > You are it seems mixing 2-3 systems and its not going to come > > > > > out a a proper mix let me tell you as a friend. > > > > > If You are going to talk about Nakshatras > > > > > then let me tell you, > > > > > You cannot and one should never > > > > > decide the tattwa or results just because > > > > > the Nakshatra is so n so. That is like opening > > > > > a book of Lind a Goodman and then telling the client > > > > > that Your Sun will behave in this way and the Moon > > > > > that way, by just watching > > > > > what planet is in what sign. > > > > > Thats not astrology if you are > > > > > looking for real astrology. A Nakshatra is to the extent of > > > > > 13.20 degrees and one has to check > > > > > at which degree the Planet is on the particular Nakshatra. > > > > > In the lady's chart > > > > > the Planet would give results of which Planet (considering the > > > > > degree of Nakshatra in which placed). > > > > > is given as under. > > > > > Sun would give results of Mercury. > > > > > Moon of Saturn > > > > > Mars of jupiter > > > > > Mercury of Venus > > > > > Jupiter of Rahu > > > > > Venus of Moon > > > > > Saturn of Jupiter > > > > > Rahu of Mars > > > > > and Ketu of Ravi. > > > > > > > > > > (How and why-I cannot teach ) > > > > > > > > > > If You talk of Chalit, then which House division are you > > talking > > > > of ? > > > > > You cannot mix results of Nakshatra with any house division . > > > > > Saturn is in 10th Bhava in Chalit and not in 11th as you say > > > > > if you are going to relate the Nakshatra system to it. > > > > > > > > > > In fact Jupiter (Though its 8th Lord0 > > > > > and Venus (Though it may be enemy as per you) > > > > > are the only two Planets in her Chart which will give her the > > > > > results of 2, 11 multiplied by 2 times. > > > > > I need not tell you the emaning of this combination. > > > > > > > > > > The native will on the contrary be very smart, calculated, > > > > > intelligent and > > > > > sweet in speaking to her advantage, and not as what You say, > > > > > because her Lagna Lord Sun is in the Nakshatra division of > > > > > mercury which signifies 2 and 11. > > > > > In fact even her Ascendant is in this division and makes it > > > doubly > > > > so. > > > > > > > > > > Saturn signifies 4,5 and 8th Bhava. So if we strenghthen it > > then > > > we > > > > > are making our enemy more stronger to give these results more > > > > > powerfully. > > > > > Saturn is also a Natural enemy to the Lagna Lord Sun, so no > > > question > > > > > of wearing Iron ring. If she wears it then apart from making > > her > > > > 4,5, > > > > > and 8th > > > > > house strong, she is also going to make > > > > > her husband more stronger in giving bad results. > > > > > Already this combination is not goof for any mattter in life > > not > > > > for > > > > > marriage, > > > > > so why to make it more stronger ? > > > > > > > > > > Also do not forget the Signs or ignore them. They also form a > > > part > > > > of > > > > > the Nakshatra system and not away from the same. > > > > > > > > > > The Sun (lagna Lord) is in Earthy and Dual Sign alongwith > Mars > > > and > > > > > Mercury. > > > > > The Moon (mental) Planet is in a Watery and Dual sign. > > > > > Venus is in Watery and Cardinal sign. > > > > > Saturn in Earthy and Fixed sign > > > > > Ketu in Airy and Dual sign. > > > > > Jupiter and Rahu in Fiery and Dual sign. > > > > > > > > > > Then how can we come to conclusion that shw will beharsh in > > > > speaking ? > > > > > No way. The second Cusp is in Nakshatra division of Venus. > And > > > > Venus > > > > > is feminine, > > > > > Watery and beautiful Planet, which will make her speech very > > > sweet > > > > > and not otherwise. > > > > > > > > > > //At last more than 100 highly learned persons are giving > > advices > > > on > > > > > Groups but they are doing this work > > > calmly/silently. Astrology > > > > > needs fact not the logic.Ok// > > > > > > > > > > I do not wish to comment much on this, though i would love to. > > > > > I will just say, that if you feel that some are not working > > > > > silently, then by your targetting these, you would > > > > > not reach an elevated position. Goods have to be > > > > > delivered properly, is the main motto, silently or not > > > > > does not matter. You write along with your id " Namra nivedan' > > > > > but do not behave like this. And I have never claimed to be > > > > > a silent worker. > > > > > > > > > > You have reached a certain stage of learning. But this will === message truncated === Looking for earth-friendly autos? Browse Top Cars by " Green Rating " at Autos' Green Center. We won't tell. Get more on shows you hate to love (and love to hate): TV's Guilty Pleasures list. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 3, 2007 Report Share Posted April 3, 2007 Dear ratnakarji, If You think by My moving away fom here the Forums can become a bettr place to stay in, then I offer to leave. All of us have the feelings of negativity within us, but as soon as realise them, we have to cover them up with positive actions on our part. Since we are human we are bound to be weak at times and the flow of negativity or egoism does surface at times. Nothing strange about it. I request you to stay here and do not please take any matters to heart. Do small children after their fights stop loving each other and turn enemies. Dont they meet again next evening for play ? Why not remain small children by heart and live together. Why not stay with each other with our weaknesses too. Do we leave our families when we see some negativity in any of the family members ? Therefore start anew and hope to see a better sunrise living in this world and being a part of it. There is no need to leave the world for any reason till we are allowed to breath. best wishes, Bhaskar. , Ratnaakar <namra_nivedan wrote: > > Dear Alka ji, > I pray to Shri Hanuman ji for giving you all the comforts, prosperity,peace,politeness in your life and devotion towards Your Estdeo. > I do not want to say any thing about the such bad episode but it is my firm belief that " Vidya Dadaati Vinayam " .Any learning first of all provides politeness.This is the main and very first sign of true learning otherwise this is Kaliyuga we can see in our surroundings that persons are like to declare God himself. > Please let we try to think about Shri Hanuman ji. > " Atulit bal dhaamam,Hemshailaabh-deham, > Danujvan-krishaanum Gyaani-naam-agra-ganyam. > Sakal-gun-nidhaanam Vaanaraam-dheesham, > Raghupati-priya-bhaktam vaat-jaatam namaami. " > Alka ji even though he was proudless or egoless.He never angre to some one for their own purpose if by chance for his estdeo work.So he is bstowed by " Chaaro Yug Prataap Tumhaaraa " and undying always.But these kaliyugi who do not know even self fate do proud a lot and have extreme ego while unknown about will they be able to take next breath or not. > This is my last e-mail to any Group or forum.There is nothing except negativity and fake egoism here. > > Good wishes > Ratnaakar > > > > > > alka chawla <jakhc4321 wrote: > Respected Bhaskar ji & Ratnaakar ji, > > Pranaam to both of you, > > " HANUMAAN JAYANTI ki haardiq shubhkamnaye " > > I was busy due to some personal reasons. Today when I was opening mails of Jyotishgroup, I felt very bad. > > Both of you are Pandit's of Astrology (that's what I feel) as I can see your knowldge! But I am feeling very bad that because of my chart, two highly educated people are behaving childish. I am very sorry for such remarks but I feel so. Because of my chart argument started. > > I aplologize for this. My intention was just to gain knowledge. > > I don't want to hurt anyone, but in case, I did that in above lines, I again applogize for that. > > I request you to stop arguments on this topic and began discussions in a friendly atmosphere. > > Thanks and regards, > > Alka > > > > Ratnaakar > > Monday, April 2, 2007 1:04:05 AM > Re: Re: Stones > > Dear friends of the forum, > I will forward this mail to commissioner of police Mumbai tomorrow.He (Mr.Bhaskar) is openly abusing me using " Pig Mentality " and giving threat to me saying " I would have no other alernative than to reply in my usual style. " What is his style? He already has used vulger language for me. > In other mail he says for himself i am half mad and laugh on himself.It is alarming i think Mr.Moderator too have fear of him. > > Regards > Ratnaakar > > > > Bhaskar wrote: > Dear friends of the Forum, > > You would agree that I have kept a lot of patience with this person > who has not been able to give any sound explanation > for the queries put to hom in the start. He is unnecessarily > arguing on my explanations instead of > proving himself right by giving any supporting explanations > to his own staements made initially. He is picking on > replies made to others by me, is giving unasked > advise to person who addressed me personally about the astrology > course. etc.etc. > He is talking most disrespectfully since the start and on > the attack constantly. Whereas I had mantained a defensive elders > stand uptil now. > Please do not blame me now, if he again does something foolish as he > has been doing uptil now. and I would have no other alternative than > to reply in my usual style. > I am no Buddha or Mother Theresa or Mahatma Gandho to give my other > cheek or keep > patience for so long with this pig mentality of his. > > best regards, > Bhaskar. > > , " Bhaskar " > wrote: > > > > Dear Mr.ratnakar, > > > > You are a small kid and just entered astrology it seems. You remind > > me of that daughter in law who does not know > > to make even a sandwich or a cup of tea, who takes a 1 day crash > > course on Cooking , and then tries > > to teach her mother in law cooking, to that mother in law who is > > cooking food two times daily for twenty years and for 10 persons in > a > > day. > > > > I have wasted my knowledge and advises on a undeserving person > > like you, though my heart and soul reminded me many times not to > > waste time on you, yet I kept pity on you and wasted energy and > > explanations not deserved by you. > > > > Ethical or unethical does not come in question. When we talk of 5th > > house giving children we do not talk whether it comes unethically > or > > ethically, or same for marriage or any other such results. Ethical > or > > not comes only if asked by the native. > > > > You are really a obstinate fgoolish person who does not warrant to > > even receive a word of knowledge on astrology, You are not fit for > > same. > > > > I had realised long back that you dont even know the basics, but > want > > to appear smart and wise by just using few words you have picked up > > by reading half a book on astrology. > > > > Ruining of knowledge should first requisite some knowledge in the > > first case in the brains. > > > > You it seems have just taken a alias id and come to target me just > to > > settle some old stupid jealousies or weaknesses in your system > which > > you are no more able to identify with. > > Visit a Psychiatrist and show yourself. You are a shizrophenic and > > psychotic person who is self obsessed with his half baked knowledge > > just like a half baked pizza which if eaten by the cook will also > > create pains and if served to others would also cause digestive > > problem.You are a sick person. > > > > Let the breeze flow and move out. This is not your Fathers Forum to > > ask me to come after learning. > > > > Dont waste my time anymore. Your stupid mails make me reply you, > > otherwise one tight slap is enough to put foolish persons in > place, > > unfortunately long distance does not allow that. > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > , Ratnaakar > > wrote: > > > > > > Dear Mr.Bhaskar, > > > To take loan for any purpose is a matter of pain for one,purity > > of purpose is the secondry matter.If we will not check its > > repayment,how can we say 6th provides good oppotunity of getting > > money? but i do not want to indulge in such unethical arguements or > > in questions & answers arised by you self and do not want to ruin > my > > knowledge too discussing with you.Plz learn more first after come > on > > forum.Kindly do not give answer. > > > > > > Good wishes > > > Ratnaakar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar wrote: > > > Sir, > > > > > > A Railway train is moveable but when it stops at Kasmir and > > > a lady gives a birth to a child there, the child would > > > have bee nknown to born in Kasmirs atmosphere. When the sam train > > > comes down to Delhi and another lady gives > > > birth to another Child here, this child would be born in > atmosphere > > of > > > Delhi. So though the movemeing train is same, but different > births > > > take place at different stops,though the Railway platform may be > > > sthool.Same with Planets. > > > We are not talking of re-payment when we talk of 6th house. We > > > are talking of good effects of 6th house. Loan taking may be good > > for > > > a person who wants to get married his daughter and has no money > for > > > the marriage expenditure. So goodness again differes relatively, > as > > > how one percieves it. When we talk of goodness in astrological > > > parlance and with reference to Finance, any finance recived > through > > > whatever means is good for the native. 6th may give finance > > > either through business, Service,Loans or Commissions brokerage > etc. > > > 8th through Unearned income which normally comes after some > tragedy. > > > When we have 12th house in front of us, then we talk and see > about > > re- > > > payment and more so if the 5th house is involved. > > > > > > When money is received through 6th house by business payment > > received > > > from material sold to sundry debtors, theres no question of > > > re-payment. > > > > > > regards, > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > , Ratnaakar > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Mr.Bhaskar, > > > > I have explained the same in my first mail sent to you but > again > > > try to understand over all results will be of planets mainly > > because > > > degrees are applied on the planets that are moveble and result is > > > decided by planets basically.Nakshtras in Hindi have " Sthool " > > nature > > > but a bit helper indeed. > > > > Yes,i am agreed planets in 6th are capable to give good loans > but > > > remember only loans,it is not sure that native will be able to > > repay > > > the same in time.Ok > > > > > > > > Good wishes > > > > Ratnaakar > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar wrote: > > > > Dear Ratnakar, > > > > > > > > I should be more patient with you on retrospection. > > > > And do not like certain statements I made for you. > > > > Just forget whatever you never liked. But remember > > > > what was said astrologically. > > > > > > > > I will explain in short and you may pick up > > > > the clues from here. > > > > You mentioned something like Mars or some > > > > other planet in nakshatra of another and will > > > > give effects of Agnittatva etc.etc. > > > > That same principle please expand and keep on > > > > expanding till you reach the Nakshatras second > > > > division.Also please note that any Planet can > > > > act in two ways. > > > > I will give a example > > > > Suppose a Planet X is sitting in 8th house. > > > > Then it will not give effects of 8th house entirely. > > > > 8th house effects would only come as the source. > > > > But what would be the results ? The results would be > > > > of the Nakshatra dispositor, where it > > > > is sitting and has Lordship over > > > > which houses. Suppose the Nakshatra > > > > dispositor is sitting in 11th and has > > > > Lordship over 2nd house and 5th house. > > > > Then the resluts coming from the > > > > Planet X would be that the native > > > > would get either love marriage > > > > or Tremendous profits from > > > > speculation in Shares and the likes. > > > > (Answer would depend on what the > > > > Querist is asking You). > > > > > > > > The planet in 6th is capable of giving good > > > > loans and also very good money from business deals > > > > (12th to 7th and 7th is a business customer or > > > > one with whom one deals or makes a transaction) ) > > > > suppose any planet is in Nakshatra of this > > > > Planet sitting in the 6th, > > > > then whenever the dasha of this > > > > planet comes, the native is capable > > > > of getting very good money > > > > from his business, or a good job/service too. > > > > > > > > Thus a Planet though in 6th 8th or 12th > > > > is yet capable to give good results if the > > > > Nakshatra dispositor is > > > > placed in good houses and has lordships > > > > over benefic houses. > > > > > > > > In the same vein and principle , if any Planet > > > > is sitting in a good house or has > > > > lordships obver benefic houses, > > > > but if the Nakshatra dispositor is Lord of > > > > Malefic houses and placed too in a malefic house, > > > > then the results accrued would > > > > be very bad for the native. > > > > > > > > Keep the above principles in mind > > > > and continue studying. You can be a good > > > > astrologer in time to come if you > > > > are in continous studying, and reviewing of > > > > what has been predicted and making notes, > > > > on a regular basis. > > > > > > > > Wish You best of luck and good > > > > studies and bright future. > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > (NB The above mail had already been written before you > > > > posted the undermentioned mail)I am never perplexed > > > > when i talk on astrology. because I always think before > > > > writing as a third person, whether what I am writing > > > > can be open to or torn to shreds or not, so I > > > > always think when I write on astrology. But never think > > > > on other matters, for which i regret later on. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Ratnaakar > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > You are looking confused/puzzled. Plz try to give rest to your > > > mind > > > > otherwise it can be converted in major problem later on.Your > > > > behaviour shows you have Leo ascendant and uneasyness in your > > faily. > > > > > Further i am agree with you that planets placed in 8th house > > give > > > > goods results, over all this is the house of death the place of > > > prime > > > > truth but we can not say the same for 6th house.Sometimes it > can > > > give > > > > good results in money matters but sources will not be pure.Your > > > last > > > > lines show your perplexity.Plz take care. > > > > > > > > > > Good wishes > > > > > Ratnaakar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar wrote: > > > > > I am sorry for your views and feel sad that I would > > > > > not be able to help you in changing the same. You > > > > > are mistaken first to think that Krishnamorothy is > > > > > different from traditional. This is what most > > > > > think. Whereas it is just the Nakshatra part > > > > > of the Traditional system perfected. Nothing > > > > > else. I too use all the approaches when I start > > > > > reading a chart,which should be evident to you uptil > > > > > now. No bias for any system is going to work, > > > > > About Venus, what you find amazing > > > > > is advanced astrology which is predictive > > > > > and cannot be explained on Forums and to all. > > > > > One needs to have a certain degree of understanding > > > > > to consume this knowledge. By the way I try to > > > > > approach any chart with Traditional, KP, as well > > > > > as by Sayana system ,if time is there on hand. > > > > > And I am the only one on all these Forums who advises all > > > > > to learn all the approaches and let the results come > > > > > common from all the approaches to make it the right one. > > > > > Do You know that Planet sitting in 8th house can also > > > > > give good results, and the planet sitting > > > > > in the 6th gives very good results with > > > > > regards to money ? But this is not for those who > > > > > feel that they know all and everything in astrology. > > > > > Unless one takes out that feeling from within and > > > > > looks upon himself as a student always, and also tries to > > > > > polish his tools and keep them new always by further > > > > > studies, only such astrologers need explanations. > > > > > Ego or pride whayever you may call it, I do keep > > > > > it because that stuff is there to be proud of, with Gods > > > > > grace and Gurujis . But always stay humble when it comes > > > > > to further learning. And what is a man without an Ego or > > > > > a women without some shynes. > > > > > > > > > > In Your analysis you have sometimes talked about the > > > > > general house placement,sometimes about the Chalit, > > > > > and sometimes about the Nakshatra in which the planet > > > > > is placed. But not given any coherent relationship between > > > > > these in your discussions. No facts and no logic. > > > > > > > > > > Again I advise , please study further to understand what > > > > > I have written and meant. I have no time to explain you, > > > > > cause you have a blocked mind, and not reached the desired > > > > > levels in your learning for my explanations to be fltered > > > > > in, or cast pearls before..... > > > > > > > > > > You need not reply, > > > > > and hope you also see what i see today > > > > > within few years. > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Ratnaakar > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Useless threading.You applied Krishnamurthi System I > respect > > it > > > > but > > > > > it is not the perfact alone.Renowned astrologer of India Sh.K > N > > > Rao > > > > > Ji always advise to use Parashari,Jemini and Krishnamurthi on > > > each > > > > > case and at last result will be same,it is sure.As We can > > > identify > > > > > one by two ways first to say this is the son of such and such > > or > > > he > > > > > is the father of such fellow but meaning is the same but > father > > > > will > > > > > be father and son will be son.Further Genetic signs can not > be > > > > change > > > > > in one.So If any Planed placed in specific house that will > > behave > > > > > like the same house more or less.According to you even Venus > is > > > > > placed in 12th melafic house even than it will not generate > > this > > > > > house and bad effects and we should make it strong wearing > > > diamond, > > > > > this is quite amazing. > > > > > > Who says this native is not smart,calculative and > > intelligent. I > > > > > am agree but she will be harsh in speaking,dominating and > > > > aggressive > > > > > as well.You can ask her frequently about the same.Do not be > > rigid > > > > for > > > > > one system try to check by different systems and check your > > study > > > > as > > > > > well.It is my humble request to you.Do not be cofused and > over > > > > > confident because your such line shows your egoism > clearly " Hope > > > to > > > > > see you some day as a good contender for discussions. " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Good wishes > > > > > > Ratnaakar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > You are it seems mixing 2-3 systems and its not going to > come > > > > > > out a a proper mix let me tell you as a friend. > > > > > > If You are going to talk about Nakshatras > > > > > > then let me tell you, > > > > > > You cannot and one should never > > > > > > decide the tattwa or results just because > > > > > > the Nakshatra is so n so. That is like opening > > > > > > a book of Lind a Goodman and then telling the client > > > > > > that Your Sun will behave in this way and the Moon > > > > > > that way, by just watching > > > > > > what planet is in what sign. > > > > > > Thats not astrology if you are > > > > > > looking for real astrology. A Nakshatra is to the extent of > > > > > > 13.20 degrees and one has to check > > > > > > at which degree the Planet is on the particular Nakshatra. > > > > > > In the lady's chart > > > > > > the Planet would give results of which Planet (considering > the > > > > > > degree of Nakshatra in which placed). > > > > > > is given as under. > > > > > > Sun would give results of Mercury. > > > > > > Moon of Saturn > > > > > > Mars of jupiter > > > > > > Mercury of Venus > > > > > > Jupiter of Rahu > > > > > > Venus of Moon > > > > > > Saturn of Jupiter > > > > > > Rahu of Mars > > > > > > and Ketu of Ravi. > > > > > > > > > > > > (How and why-I cannot teach ) > > > > > > > > > > > > If You talk of Chalit, then which House division are you > > > talking > > > > > of ? > > > > > > You cannot mix results of Nakshatra with any house > division . > > > > > > Saturn is in 10th Bhava in Chalit and not in 11th as you say > > > > > > if you are going to relate the Nakshatra system to it. > > > > > > > > > > > > In fact Jupiter (Though its 8th Lord0 > > > > > > and Venus (Though it may be enemy as per you) > > > > > > are the only two Planets in her Chart which will give her > the > > > > > > results of 2, 11 multiplied by 2 times. > > > > > > I need not tell you the emaning of this combination. > > > > > > > > > > > > The native will on the contrary be very smart, calculated, > > > > > > intelligent and > > > > > > sweet in speaking to her advantage, and not as what You say, > > > > > > because her Lagna Lord Sun is in the Nakshatra division of > > > > > > mercury which signifies 2 and 11. > > > > > > In fact even her Ascendant is in this division and makes it > > > > doubly > > > > > so. > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn signifies 4,5 and 8th Bhava. So if we strenghthen it > > > then > > > > we > > > > > > are making our enemy more stronger to give these results > more > > > > > > powerfully. > > > > > > Saturn is also a Natural enemy to the Lagna Lord Sun, so no > > > > question > > > > > > of wearing Iron ring. If she wears it then apart from > making > > > her > > > > > 4,5, > > > > > > and 8th > > > > > > house strong, she is also going to make > > > > > > her husband more stronger in giving bad results. > > > > > > Already this combination is not goof for any mattter in > life > > > not > > > > > for > > > > > > marriage, > > > > > > so why to make it more stronger ? > > > > > > > > > > > > Also do not forget the Signs or ignore them. They also form > a > > > > part > > > > > of > > > > > > the Nakshatra system and not away from the same. > > > > > > > > > > > > The Sun (lagna Lord) is in Earthy and Dual Sign alongwith > > Mars > > > > and > > > > > > Mercury. > > > > > > The Moon (mental) Planet is in a Watery and Dual sign. > > > > > > Venus is in Watery and Cardinal sign. > > > > > > Saturn in Earthy and Fixed sign > > > > > > Ketu in Airy and Dual sign. > > > > > > Jupiter and Rahu in Fiery and Dual sign. > > > > > > > > > > > > Then how can we come to conclusion that shw will beharsh in > > > > > speaking ? > > > > > > No way. The second Cusp is in Nakshatra division of Venus. > > And > > > > > Venus > > > > > > is feminine, > > > > > > Watery and beautiful Planet, which will make her speech > very > > > > sweet > > > > > > and not otherwise. > > > > > > > > > > > > //At last more than 100 highly learned persons are giving > > > advices > > > > on > > > > > > Groups but they are doing this work > > > > calmly/silently. Astrology > > > > > > needs fact not the logic.Ok// > > > > > > > > > > > > I do not wish to comment much on this, though i would love > to. > > > > > > I will just say, that if you feel that some are not working > > > > > > silently, then by your targetting these, you would > > > > > > not reach an elevated position. Goods have to be > > > > > > delivered properly, is the main motto, silently or not > > > > > > does not matter. You write along with your id " Namra > nivedan' > > > > > > but do not behave like this. And I have never claimed to be > > > > > > a silent worker. > > > > > > > > > > > > You have reached a certain stage of learning. But this will > > === message truncated === > > > > Looking for earth-friendly autos? > Browse Top Cars by " Green Rating " at Autos' Green Center. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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