Guest guest Posted January 29, 2009 Report Share Posted January 29, 2009 Resp. Members, Recently my discussion with Sh. Revati ji is going on through email. Though I have invited him to join our forum, but he is busy in astrological consultations. However he want that his msg. may be posted in our forum. Hence I am posting our interaction in this forum. Members may pickup any point for further discussion. As and when I will receive any reply from Sh. Revati ji, that will also be posted in the forum to maintain a continuity. Thanks, Yours truly, sanat ========================== Dear Revati Ji, Namaskar, Thanks for your quick response despite your busy schedule. I can wait till March when you will be free from your professional duties (predictive business). Till then we may exchange emails. No problem. >>>>>>Furthermore I want to add that a scientific astrology must be valid world-wide, the term " Vedic " (or " Indian " ) would be a too far reaching restriction <<<<< Yes, knowledge belongs to humans living on the Earth and it is minor bifurcation to say it is Indian, Vedic, western etc. Because by saying so we unknowingly became a party to support our socalled system. Whereas I am discussing astrology as a knowledge and analyzing its roots irrespective of any demarcation. >>>>>>- although the best working astrology is the one practized in India, based on ancient teachings.<<<<<<< How you can say that it is best, because practitioners of KP, western, Indian, Nadi, palmistry, numerology etc. always support their own field. So if you want to say then you must have some solid logic in support of your socalled system. How you can say that formation of sign is ancient Indian teaching. (waiting for your comments) >>>>>>>> Of course the source and historical origins of all given ancient teachings are interesting. How the ancient masters knew that Jupiter is lording Sagittarius and Pisces? How they got to the Dasha sequences? To the aspects? And so on... I assume that all these things will remain in the invisible side of ancient history. It is indeed " occult " (= hidden) knowledge, and in its fundament given by one or more Seers (in literal meaning). Maharishi Parashara surely was a Seer, perhaps *the* only one (I do have this opinion).<<<<<<<< Yes, I want to know as to how our sages came to know that Jupiter is lording Sagittarius and Pisces? How they got to the Dasha sequences? To the aspects? And so on... But I can say that this knowledge is neither hidden not divine nor on invisible side of ancient history. As every fundamental principle is based on very simple logic, which can be expected from any sage. You can find procedure adopted for formulation in various principles in my book, but for your time problem. Hence I am waiting for your stand in support of formulation. >>>>> Planetary effects are not visible, therefore not accepted by modern science (as one " reason " ). (of cause they are visible, e.g. a marriage or a new job).<<<<<<< NO, I have already pointed out that when invisible gravity can be studied under science and used in day to day use then why science can not study the socalled invisible effect of planets. If it is actually affecting marriage and new job. Let me know as to how a planet who is responsible for marriage may know that some one is Muslim hence he may have 4 wives and some one is Hindu hence he may have only one wife and some one is western and he / she may have many partners one by one. Or how a planet may know that till 19th century one must be married before the age of 10 or so and now that planet is permitting some tribal societies in the same age whereas educated population is being permitted after the age of 30 or so. I can put many more questions but let us have some starting points. >>>>>> my approach is basically using teachings given in BPHS. I want to prove that these fundamental rules are sufficient for successful astrological work.<<<<<< How you can say that BPHS is right till you came out with explanation as to how basic fundamental astrological principles like lord, aspect, friendship, exalted, dasha, rahu etc are logically, astronomically and scientifically right. >>>>>> If you want to, I can add you to the rs.<<<<< No problem. Thanks for good exchange of views. Hope to have more exchanges. Remember nothing is personal and it is only academic discussion. Yours sanat ================================================================== Dearest Sanat, thank you very much for your notes and your very kind invitation. Seems to become a very interesting discussion, indeed, I highly respect your view and your knowledge. I will join the group end of March (if you guess there is timing behind this you are right, but also current professional duties). I agree with you! The term " Vedic " Astrology is misleading for the reason you gave. But one could give the argument that the Deities described in ancient vedic astrology scriptures are a link to the vedic scriptures - so both have the same spiritual fundament (and therefore no need for mentioning of Grahas in vedic scriptures). The three Gunas are mentioned in Vedic Scriptures, in Bhagavad-Gita - and they are the three main energies working in this world. They are the fundament of all. Furthermore I want to add that a scientific astrology must be valid world-wide, the term " Vedic " (or " Indian " ) would be a too far reaching restriction - although the best working astrology is the one practized in India, based on ancient teachings. In my work I prefer " Sidereal " or " Energetic " Astrology. I do not have time to visit your blog - I ask you honestly not to interpret this as disrespect or disinterest, it is only due to my huge lack of time. The current financial crisis reaches me in that way that many new clients ask for consultation right now. A last note: Of course the source and historical origins of all given ancient teachings are interesting. How the ancient masters knew that Jupiter is lording Sagittarius and Pisces? How they got to the Dasha sequences? To the aspects? And so on... I assume that all these things will remain in the invisible side of ancient history. It is indeed " occult " (= hidden) knowledge, and in its fundament given by one or more Seers (in literal meaning). Maharishi Parashara surely was a Seer, perhaps *the* only one (I do have this opinion). There is knowledge existing in this material plane which is coming from another plane of existence. Future science must open itself to this truth. Most important is practical proof of theories. Many many chart interpretations are necessary. This is mainly possible for full-time astrologers, researchers. It is exactly as you have written: " Like Gravity is not visible but affect is studied and some principles were also formulated. And every principle is open to further study, modification etc. " Planetary effects are not visible, therefore not accepted by modern science (as one " reason " ). (of cause they are visible, e.g. a marriage or a new job). I am working on a fundamental introduction on Energetic Sidereal Astrology and publish it step by step in my newsletter, starting in February. There are many many theories, by many astrologers - my approach is basically using teachings given in BPHS. I want to prove that these fundamental rules are sufficient for successful astrological work. We do not need any other astrological work, even not Jaimini - their worth is mainly elaborating Parashara's teachings. I will give very fundamental principles - leaving out all modern (and mostly useless stuff). Like Tithis, Karanas, strange Dashas and so on. If you want to, I can add you to the rs. You have my permission to post this newsletter and this conversation in your group. Yours Respectfully, Revati Dear Revati Ji, Namaskar, Thanks for your response. I fully agree with your short note on science. But I will like to comment on your following statements. >>>>>>Vedic Astrology is based on spirituality, principally laid down in the Vedas (but in many other holy scriptures of other religions, too). <<<<<<< Term Vedic astrology is wrong like saying that astrology is science. Because there is no astrological principle in any Ved. >>>>>Planetary energies are spiritual energies - we have to explore and declare their effects in present, past and future. These energies can come from bodily planets (e.g. " Surya " ) or from non-bodily planets (e.g. " Upaketu " or " Rahu " ).<<<<<<< Any energy visible or non visible has effect on material, Thus every energy which affect matter is studied under science. Like Gravity is not visible but affect is studied and some principles were also formulated. And every principle is open to further study, modification etc. But I want to know as to what was the procedure by which many astrological principles like lord, aspect, friendship, dasha etc were formulated (more detail in my blog " astrology a science or myth " ). I hope you will come out with your views in near future after going through entire blog. If you want then you can join our forum " Scienceofastrology " for exchange of views. Thanks, Sanat Gwalior ====================================== Dear Sanat, thank you very much for your mail, your invitation and for the abundant information you give. You are touching very essential themes indeed, and I cannot do justice to you right now as you deserve because of some health problems and professional duties (I am professional vedic astrological consultant, focusing on Parashara astrology). For some reasons I have decided few months ago to stay away from groups - even from good ones - and to focus on my own work, elaborating a reasonable access to astrology - which must in the very end result in successful predictions, you are very right stating this. Only this way astrology can be taken seriously as science - but this will happen, I see many capable people working in this field (e.g. Narasimha Rao). Due to serious time problems - please accept my apologies! - I just was able to took a quick glance on your article (and he deserves far more attention) and you are raising important questions. Just reading some few passage I could write a long article as reply (not too critical), but it isn't possible right now. I expect betterment in my Ketu Vimshottari PD starting March 2009. May I kindly request for your birth details? If you are interested in mine, I am open for exchange of DOB's, of course. Allow me just a short note on " science " : (1) We are living in a scientific area. (2) The term " science " is mainly defined by the natural sciences (physics, biology, chemistry and so on). (3) A " scientific " astrology has to take over some definitions of " science " in this meaning. (4) The definition of " science " done nowadays is far too limited - it is based on a materialistic view on world only. (A provocative comment: We even could say that philosophy of communism - which is materialism - has won, although economically and politically it failed). (5) Materialistic foundation of science is wrong. A spiritual completion is highly demanded nowadays. This spiritual change will take place in this century. Vedic Astrology is based on spirituality, principally laid down in the Vedas (but in many other holy scriptures of other religions, too). Planetary energies are spiritual energies - we have to explore and declare their effects in present, past and future. These energies can come from bodily planets (e.g. " Surya " ) or from non-bodily planets (e.g. " Upaketu " or " Rahu " ). Applying materialistic mental concepts on knowledge like astrology is one of the greatest errors committed in last centuries, particularly in the last two centuries. This error must be recognized and corrected. In 19th century there was a russian doctor declaring: " I have opened many bodies of dead people. I never found an eternal soul. " This is the poor understanding of natural sciences (which explore natural material laws of existence). The truth is: All material existence ( " maya " ) is based and founded on spiritual energies, effective in the various planetary energies. Mind rules Material. This the core truth, the first truth. Respectfully, Revati Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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