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Dear Revati Ji,

Namaskar,

Thanks for your response, But I find that you have diverted the

direction, whereas I am very particular about any point and we must

limited to that point for concluding some answer. Because you are a

practitioner astrologer though you claim that >>>> I have left all

worldly matters for years for this knowledge. I only can

say:Astrology is THE science of reality.<<<<< hence in the interest

of your business you will always try to divert the point of issue.

 

I am again picking some point from your mail for further discussion.

 

>>>> we need a new science in this new millenium - just look into

this world with open eyes, and what you see is a consequence of this

19th/20th century science.<<<<

 

No, because science is not limited to 19-20 the century. Any

systematic knowledge which can not be questioned and answerable

beyond doubt is science. Hence when our sages used to lit the fire

with the help of rubbing wooden stick then it was also science or

when our ancestral design the wheel then it was also science though

they were not able to make the wheel of aeroplane.

 

>>>>>>Did you make a muhurtha of your very first mail to me? Do see

the planetary constellations? What can you derive from " our " future

(our current small correspondance) from this muhurtha?<<<<<

 

Yes, it is evident that our correspondence will not last for a long

time because you are expert in diverting the issue and I am stick to

explore the roots of astrological principles. Refer my first

blog " Astrology a science or myth "

 

>>>>>>> " Vedic " Astrology indeed is an " Astrology of the Seers " <<<<<

How Vedic ? when there is no astrological principles or sign etc in

any Ved. This word is used just to exploit the sentiments of general

public towards Ved.

 

>>>>>it is necessary that you leave most worldly matters for at least

three years - leaving job, marriage, strife for worldly success and

fame, richness. There is no other way. I have done it.<<<<<<<

 

OK, even then you are not able to answer my pointed questions as to

how astrological principles were formulated. Refer my blog " Astrology

a science or myth " .

 

>>>>>Step by step you'll discover that planetary effects are the root

behind all material and immaterial reality.<<<<

 

There is no effect of planet for carving our future. It is only

psychological affect by which it appears that prediction is right. I

have studied astrology for long +35 years and after that I am saying

that it is wrong. Because principles are basically wrong and not

founded on right information. That's why I come out with two original

books, highlighting as to how principles were formulated on wrong

concept.

 

>>>>>And you are absolutely right: the fundaments of astrology are

indeed logical, the more you study it, the more deeper.<<<<<<

 

Do not pick my words. Because fundamentals of astrology was based on

primitive information hence they were logical and right in view of

the then knowledge. But in view of modern information, all

astrological principles are bogus including BPHS. Though there is no

original BPHS.

 

Do you know that in Primitive age it was believed that Earth is

stationary and Sun is nearer to Earth, whereas Moon is far away from

the Earth and so on. Unfortunately all astrological principles are

based on such typy of information. But now when we know that Earth is

not resting and Moon is nearer then Moon and so on. Then how you can

say the astrological principles are correct and astrology is science

of reality.

 

I hope we will remain within the parameter of astrological principles

and you may also go through the blog " Astrology a science or myth "

for more pointed discussion.

 

Remember nothing is personal and it is only academic discussion.

 

Thanks

Yours truly,

Sanat

0751 2626868

Gwalior

 

Dear Sanat,

 

it is end of weekend, so I will answer you right now because this

week

will be very laborious.

 

This mail is about astrological roots. I send it to you while Moon

transits in Ashvini, 3rd pada (Ge) and Lagna 2° Sagittarius, in

Moola.

Both are Ketu Nakshatras, both link us to the roots of all existence

and

reality.

 

You have to be very very aware of not overtaking a " scientific "

approach

of 20th century - which in its roots is based on limited 19th century

knowledge (I am speaking of the philosophical " theory of science " -

the

imagination how science must be).

 

As I have written in my first response we need a new science in this

new

millenium - just look into this world with open eyes, and what you

see

is a consequence of this 19th/20th century science. For the first

time

in history we have reached a never known distance to our own nature,

our

spiritual roots (traditional Indians may call this Kali Yuga, the

culmination of it. They are right). We even have forgotten what this

" nature " is - we have lost orientation.

 

Modern physics was forced to leave this " old " scientific approach,

discovering that in certain " realms " (I may call it so for our

purpose)

totally other laws of nature are existing (or no laws, or still

undiscovered laws).

 

I am not supporting at all old science with all its desastrous

consequences. A 21st century science has to - and will - integrate

spiritual dimensions, for example parapsychological phenomena (like

channelings which exist).

 

You ask me from where I do have my knowledge. This question is

justified. Here is my response:

 

(1) Studying Ancient and Modern Scriptures. Chart Interpretations.

Daily

Experience. Each day studying planetary energies and their effects in

my

life. Meditation and Contemplation.

 

Don't you know how to judge each day in which you are living? The

experiences of tomorrow - the main direction of them (at least this -

it

is indeed very difficult to predict very concrete events)? What will

occur?

After studying many astrological systems, it was the sincere study of

BPHS which led me to certainty. It is *the* system really working -

many

studies and observations (as said in own life) are necessary to come

to

this conclusion.

 

Did you make a muhurtha of your very first mail to me? Do see the

planetary constellations? What can you derive from " our " future (our

current small correspondance) from this muhurtha?

 

This practice is needed, from many chart interpretations and daily

integration of astrology. Including the whole range of divisional

charts, planetary avasthas, different Dasha systems and other

essential

methods.

 

And, this practice will give the certainty you are seeking for.

 

Since now I did not see even one single astrologer really integrating

all these factors - and it is a relatively limited number of factors

which necessarily must be included.

 

If you would do so, you would obtain the same security and sincerity

as

I did (and have).

 

This leads me to

 

(2) Astrology is a very particular knowledge. If you are acquinted

with

the phenomena of channelings (but I am no medium in the literal

meaning)

you are better equipped to understand that " Vedic " Astrology

(Parashara

Astrology) is based on one, perhaps more, human beings having a

unique

link to higher realms, to divine realms (which science denies - only

" materialism " is true and " scientific " ).

 

" Vedic " Astrology indeed is an " Astrology of the Seers " (a wonderful

and

true book title of David Frawley). You intention to grasp these roots

is

truly acknowledgable - but if you aren't a medium you won't archieve

it.

None of us can do this. We cannot understand spiritual truths with

modern science (which has been failed in so many ways).

 

You do appreciate theWestern science approach far too much. You

surely

must have a strong emphasis on Virgo Rashi and Mercury Nakshatras

(foremost Aashlesha), and/or a prominent Mercury (yuti Lagna, yuti

Moon,

yuti Ghati or Bhava Lagna). Western - traditional science - is Virgo

based, with all its strengths and weaknesses. It must not integrate

the

7th from it - Pisces (lorded by Jupiter *and* Ketu).

 

Virgo has Rahu as Co-Lord; look at Western World, and look what

happens

in your country - the best way to understand Rahu. Modern science is

Mercury and Rahu based (Virgo) - and we need re-integration of

Jupiter

and Ketu (Pisces).

 

As said your intention is acknowledgable - but it is an impossible

aim

if you do not heavily modify the tradtional concept of science (of

19th/20th century).

 

Of course, modern science is mainly sponsored and paid by rich, very

rich and powerful people. Do not forget this. " Truth " depends on

money

and on their spreading in mass media (which are governed by the same

people, by the way).

 

What must occur in astrology is the consequent application of a

relative

limited chart factors - a clear methodology. I am working on that,

and

this work will take my whole life. I know that before my last breath

I

will have archieved this.

 

(3) You need to get a connection to these higher realms of existence -

 

if not all will remain only theory, without being linked to your

deepest

personality and daily life. For this it is necessary that you leave

most

worldly matters for at least three years - leaving job, marriage,

strife

for worldly success and fame, richness. There is no other way. I have

done it. If you leave all this you'll receive a really great gift -

the

connection to realms of existence which exist. But not reachable

with

traditional scientific methods.

 

In future - after establishing astrology in society - this won't be

necessary any more (leaving worldly matters).

 

Step by step you'll discover that planetary effects are the root

behind

all material and immaterial reality.

 

I am working on re-integration of astrology in daily life.

All is based on pure practice, experience, and receptiveness from my

soul family.

I have left all worldly matters for years for this knowledge. I only

can

say:

 

Astrology is THE science of reality.

Even modern scientists are living in a world of maya, of illusions.

Do you want to take part of this? I do not think so.

 

Yours Respectfully

Revati

 

P.S. Track transit of Moon. In all 10 essential Vargas (Dasha

Vargas).

Do this for months and you will understand this mail in a far more

better way.

 

Dear Sanat,

 

next response will be a bit more sociable (but I am really tired of

classical " science " with all its limitations and restrictions).

 

Astrology will be accepted when it brings results, very good results.

 

And you are absolutely right: the fundaments of astrology are indeed

logical, the more you study it, the more deeper.

 

I found this depth only in BPHS, nowhere else (other scriptures just

giving additional footnotes). It is simply the most reliable

scripture

and it indeed works perfectly - if we really use it, with special

lagnas, upagrahas, strengths/avasthas, vargas. Joining grahas,

rashis,

nakshatras to this we have all the components we need!

 

You surely have a dominant Virgo and Mercury placement, it cannot be

different.

 

Therefore Moon's Taurus' transit (first exalted, then in

Moolatrikona)

will be excellent for you (Moon then in 9th from Virgo) - mainly

excellent (now Moon is dispositor of Ketu). Next change of Moon into

Taurus will be Feb 3rd 22:50 (Delhi Time). Unfortunately at night, so

Moon's Ta Drekkana transit will be during night - nevertheless,

following Virgo Drekkana is favourable, too.

 

Now Mars is exalted in Capricorn (more exactly: in exaltation Rashi),

Venus in Pisces - exaltation Rashi.

 

Use it for the best! Every transit of Moon in Taurus, then in Cancer

is

a blessing!

 

Best Wishes, and a successful and peaceful week!

 

Respectfully,

Revati

 

P.S. As said - track daily transits, track Vimshottari, Kalachakra,

Sudarshana Chakra, Varnada and Conditional Dashas. They work, indeed.

This " they work " is the best scientific proof you can get - I you get

more knowledge about the origins and sources of the given horoscope

factors I'd appreciate if you would share this. But in my view *this*

is

a impossible task - how to see the roots of a revelation?

 

 

, " sanat2221 "

<sanatkumar_jain wrote:

>

> Resp. Members,

> Recently my discussion with Sh. Revati ji is going on through

email.

> Though I have invited him to join our forum, but he is busy in

> astrological consultations. However he want that his msg. may be

> posted in our forum. Hence I am posting our interaction in this

> forum. Members may pickup any point for further discussion. As and

> when I will receive any reply from Sh. Revati ji, that will also

be

> posted in the forum to maintain a continuity.

>

> Thanks,

> Yours truly,

> sanat

>

>

> ==========================

>

> Dear Revati Ji,

> Namaskar,

> Thanks for your quick response despite your busy schedule.

> I can wait till March when you will be free from your professional

> duties (predictive business). Till then we may exchange emails. No

> problem.

>

> >>>>>>Furthermore I want to add that a scientific astrology must be

> valid world-wide, the term " Vedic " (or " Indian " ) would be a too far

> reaching restriction <<<<<

> Yes, knowledge belongs to humans living on the Earth and it is

minor

> bifurcation to say it is Indian, Vedic, western etc. Because by

> saying so we unknowingly became a party to support our socalled

> system. Whereas I am discussing astrology as a knowledge and

> analyzing its roots irrespective of any demarcation.

>

> >>>>>>- although the best working astrology is the one practized in

> India, based on ancient teachings.<<<<<<<

>

> How you can say that it is best, because practitioners of KP,

> western, Indian, Nadi, palmistry, numerology etc. always support

> their own field. So if you want to say then you must have some

solid

> logic in support of your socalled system. How you can say that

> formation of sign is ancient Indian teaching. (waiting for your

> comments)

>

>

> >>>>>>>> Of course the source and historical origins of all given

> ancient teachings are interesting. How the ancient masters knew

that

> Jupiter is lording Sagittarius and Pisces? How they got to the

Dasha

> sequences? To the aspects? And so on...

>

> I assume that all these things will remain in the invisible side of

> ancient history. It is indeed " occult " (= hidden) knowledge, and in

> its

> fundament given by one or more Seers (in literal meaning).

Maharishi

> Parashara surely was a Seer, perhaps *the* only one (I do have this

> opinion).<<<<<<<<

>

> Yes, I want to know as to how our sages came to know that

> Jupiter is lording Sagittarius and Pisces? How they got to the

Dasha

> sequences? To the aspects? And so on...

> But I can say that this knowledge is neither hidden not divine nor

on

> invisible side of ancient history. As every fundamental principle

is

> based on very simple logic, which can be expected from any sage.

You

> can find procedure adopted for formulation in various principles in

> my book, but for your time problem. Hence I am waiting for your

stand

> in support of formulation.

>

> >>>>> Planetary effects are not visible, therefore not accepted by

> modern science (as one " reason " ). (of cause they are visible, e.g.

a

> marriage or a new job).<<<<<<<

> NO, I have already pointed out that when invisible gravity can be

> studied under science and used in day to day use then why science

can

> not study the socalled invisible effect of planets. If it is

> actually affecting marriage and new job. Let me know as to how a

> planet who is responsible for marriage may know that some one is

> Muslim hence he may have 4 wives and some one is Hindu hence he

may

> have only one wife and some one is western and he / she may have

many

> partners one by one. Or how a planet may know that till 19th

century

> one must be married before the age of 10 or so and now that planet

> is permitting some tribal societies in the same age whereas

educated

> population is being permitted after the age of 30 or so. I can put

> many more questions but let us have some starting points.

>

> >>>>>> my approach is basically using teachings given in BPHS. I

> want to prove that these fundamental rules are sufficient for

> successful astrological work.<<<<<<

>

> How you can say that BPHS is right till you came out with

explanation

> as to how basic fundamental astrological principles like lord,

> aspect, friendship, exalted, dasha, rahu etc are logically,

> astronomically and scientifically right.

>

> >>>>>> If you want to, I can add you to the rs.<<<<<

> No problem.

>

> Thanks for good exchange of views. Hope to have more exchanges.

> Remember nothing is personal and it is only academic discussion.

>

> Yours

>

> sanat

>

>

> ==================================================================

>

> Dearest Sanat,

>

> thank you very much for your notes and your very kind invitation.

> Seems

> to become a very interesting discussion, indeed, I highly respect

> your

> view and your knowledge. I will join the group end of March (if you

> guess there is timing behind this you are right, but also current

> professional duties).

>

> I agree with you! The term " Vedic " Astrology is misleading for the

> reason you gave. But one could give the argument that the Deities

> described in ancient vedic astrology scriptures are a link to the

> vedic

> scriptures - so both have the same spiritual fundament (and

therefore

> no

> need for mentioning of Grahas in vedic scriptures).

> The three Gunas are mentioned in Vedic Scriptures, in Bhagavad-

Gita -

> and they are the three main energies working in this world. They

are

> the

> fundament of all.

>

> Furthermore I want to add that a scientific astrology must be valid

> world-wide, the term " Vedic " (or " Indian " ) would be a too far

> reaching

> restriction - although the best working astrology is the one

> practized

> in India, based on ancient teachings.

>

> In my work I prefer " Sidereal " or " Energetic " Astrology.

>

> I do not have time to visit your blog - I ask you honestly not to

> interpret this as disrespect or disinterest, it is only due to my

> huge

> lack of time. The current financial crisis reaches me in that way

> that

> many new clients ask for consultation right now.

>

> A last note: Of course the source and historical origins of all

given

> ancient teachings are interesting. How the ancient masters knew

that

> Jupiter is lording Sagittarius and Pisces? How they got to the

Dasha

> sequences? To the aspects? And so on...

>

> I assume that all these things will remain in the invisible side of

> ancient history. It is indeed " occult " (= hidden) knowledge, and in

> its

> fundament given by one or more Seers (in literal meaning).

Maharishi

> Parashara surely was a Seer, perhaps *the* only one (I do have this

> opinion).

>

> There is knowledge existing in this material plane which is coming

> from

> another plane of existence. Future science must open itself to this

> truth.

>

> Most important is practical proof of theories. Many many chart

> interpretations are necessary.

> This is mainly possible for full-time astrologers, researchers.

>

> It is exactly as you have written: " Like Gravity is not visible but

> affect is studied and some principles were also formulated. And

every

> principle is open to further study, modification etc. " Planetary

> effects

> are not visible, therefore not accepted by modern science (as one

> " reason " ). (of cause they are visible, e.g. a marriage or a new

job).

>

> I am working on a fundamental introduction on Energetic Sidereal

> Astrology and publish it step by step in my newsletter, starting in

> February. There are many many theories, by many astrologers - my

> approach is basically using teachings given in BPHS. I want to

prove

> that these fundamental rules are sufficient for successful

> astrological

> work. We do not need any other astrological work, even not Jaimini -

 

> their worth is mainly elaborating Parashara's teachings. I will

give

> very fundamental principles - leaving out all modern (and mostly

> useless

> stuff). Like Tithis, Karanas, strange Dashas and so on.

>

> If you want to, I can add you to the rs.

>

> You have my permission to post this newsletter and this

conversation

> in

> your group.

>

> Yours Respectfully,

> Revati

>

>

>

> Dear Revati Ji,

> Namaskar,

> Thanks for your response.

> I fully agree with your short note on science. But I will like to

> comment on your following statements.

>

> >>>>>>Vedic Astrology is based on spirituality, principally laid

down

> in the Vedas (but in many other holy scriptures of other religions,

> too). <<<<<<<

>

> Term Vedic astrology is wrong like saying that astrology is

science.

> Because there is no astrological principle in any Ved.

>

>

> >>>>>Planetary energies are spiritual energies - we have to explore

> and declare their effects in present, past and future. These

energies

> can come from bodily planets (e.g. " Surya " ) or from non-bodily

> planets (e.g. " Upaketu " or " Rahu " ).<<<<<<<

>

> Any energy visible or non visible has effect on material, Thus

every

> energy which affect matter is studied under science. Like Gravity

is

> not visible but affect is studied and some principles were also

> formulated. And every principle is open to further study,

> modification etc. But I want to know as to what was the procedure

by

> which many astrological principles like lord, aspect, friendship,

> dasha etc were formulated (more detail in my blog " astrology a

> science or myth " ). I hope you will come out with your views in

near

> future after going through entire blog.

>

> If you want then you can join our forum " Scienceofastrology " for

> exchange of views.

> Thanks,

>

>

> Sanat

> Gwalior

>

> ======================================

> Dear Sanat,

>

> thank you very much for your mail, your invitation and for the

> abundant information you give. You are touching very essential

themes

> indeed, and I cannot do justice to you right now as you deserve

> because of some health problems and professional duties (I am

> professional vedic astrological consultant, focusing on Parashara

> astrology).

>

> For some reasons I have decided few months ago to stay away from

> groups - even from good ones - and to focus on my own work,

> elaborating a reasonable access to astrology - which must in the

very

> end result in successful predictions, you are very right stating

> this. Only this way astrology can be taken seriously as science -

but

> this will happen, I see many capable people working in this field

> (e.g. Narasimha Rao).

>

> Due to serious time problems - please accept my apologies! - I just

> was able to took a quick glance on your article (and he deserves

far

> more attention) and you are raising important questions. Just

reading

> some few passage I could write a long article as reply (not too

> critical), but it isn't possible right now. I expect betterment in

my

> Ketu Vimshottari PD starting March 2009.

>

> May I kindly request for your birth details?

> If you are interested in mine, I am open for exchange of DOB's, of

> course.

>

> Allow me just a short note on " science " :

> (1) We are living in a scientific area.

> (2) The term " science " is mainly defined by the natural sciences

> (physics, biology, chemistry and so on).

> (3) A " scientific " astrology has to take over some definitions

> of " science " in this meaning.

> (4) The definition of " science " done nowadays is far too limited -

it

> is based on a materialistic view on world only.

> (A provocative comment: We even could say that philosophy of

> communism - which is materialism - has won, although economically

and

> politically it failed).

> (5) Materialistic foundation of science is wrong. A spiritual

> completion is highly demanded nowadays. This spiritual change will

> take place in this century.

>

> Vedic Astrology is based on spirituality, principally laid down in

> the Vedas (but in many other holy scriptures of other religions,

> too).

>

> Planetary energies are spiritual energies - we have to explore and

> declare their effects in present, past and future.

> These energies can come from bodily planets (e.g. " Surya " ) or from

> non-bodily planets (e.g. " Upaketu " or " Rahu " ).

>

> Applying materialistic mental concepts on knowledge like astrology

is

> one of the greatest errors committed in last centuries,

particularly

> in the last two centuries. This error must be recognized and

> corrected.

>

> In 19th century there was a russian doctor declaring: " I have

opened

> many bodies of dead people. I never found an eternal soul. "

>

> This is the poor understanding of natural sciences (which explore

> natural material laws of existence).

>

> The truth is: All material existence ( " maya " ) is based and founded

on

> spiritual energies, effective in the various planetary energies.

>

> Mind rules Material.

>

> This the core truth, the first truth.

>

> Respectfully,

> Revati

>

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