Fwd: Intentions of Burgess in translating Surya Siddhanta

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IndiaArchaeology , " Avtar Krishen Kaul "

<jyotirved wrote:

 

Shri Kishore Patnaikji,

Namaskar!

<It is Balley who first wrote about Surya siddhanta in his book

Indian Astronomy. There he had estimated that " accurate astronomical

observations had been made in Inda, probably before 3000 bce " This is

a conclusion which is justified on independent evidence.>

 

What have Vedic " accurate astronomical observations " to do with the

Surya Sidhanta? Maya the mlechha has not expressed his indebtedness

for his " astronomical prowerss " to any of the earlier authorities,

including the Vedas, but established a direct link with Surya Bhagwan

at the fag end of Satya Yuga---millions of years back as against your

own claim that the Vedic astronomical knowledge was only of about

5000 years old! Why do you, therefore, ascribe Maya's so called

astronomical knowledge to the Vedas?

 

Further, would you kindly quote even a single mantra from any of the

Vedas that has talked of planets like Mangal and Shani and then

discussed the methodology to calculate their positions vis-a-vis

Mesha, Vrisha etc. rashis?

 

Leave alone the Vedas, would you kindly name any indigenous

astronomical work, prior to the Surya Sidhanta of Maya the mlechha,

that has discussed such a methodology?

 

 

<2. The Vedic sacrificial rites had a close connection with

astronomical calculations and several of Vedic deities are in actual,

are cosmological figures rather than mere deities representing the

immediate natural forces>

 

You do not calculate " Vedic deities " for your " Vedic horoscopes "

from " Vedic astronomy " but planets like Mangal and Shani etc. vis-a-

vis Mesha etc. rashis from the data from NASA/JPL! What is the use

of waxing so eloquent about your own shortcomings?

 

You are also blissfully unaware that in order to justify some how or

the other the so called horoscopes of Bhagwan Rama---at least half a

dozen of them!---as per the Valmiki Ramayana or the positions of

planets vis-a-vis nakshatras in the Mbh, no Hindu scholar uses today

the Surya Sidhanta for those ancient calculations but they depend on

software like " Planetarium Gold " etc. which are all based on latest

astronomical data from German and US observatories!

 

 

< Burgess is a Christian missionary>

 

Was Bailey a Hindu jyotishi?

 

<Surya siddhanta, by the very confession of Ebenezer Burgess was

 

being taught in Indian schools at that time>

 

That is the irony! The Surya Sidhanta is actually a work by some

Greek astrologer who called himself Maya and made a fool of the

Hindus by saying that that Sidhanta was revealed to him by Surya

Bhagwan at the fag end of Satya Yuga i.e. literally millions of years

back! Is Maya saying the Truth and nothing but truth when he has said

so, according to you?

 

Do you know that the Surya sidhanta is the most monstrous

astronomical work that could ever have been concocted by any human

being? The duration of the year is neither tropical nor sidereal!

The longitudes of planets are neither so called Sayana, nor so called

nirayana, in spite of millions of ayanamshas having been " tested "

time and again!

 

<4. It is Pandit Satyavrata Samasrami who had showed that Vedic

seers had knowledge of motions of planets – at least five and the

causes of solar and lunar eclipses. It is very reasonably accepted

that a knowledge of solstice and equinox points existed on the part

of Vedic authors.>

 

The last astronomical work by any Vedic seer is Vedanga Jyotisha.

There is absolutely no indication that till that point of time i.e.

1400 BCE, Vedic seers had any idea about Mangal and Shani etc.

planets leave alone Mesha, Vrisha etc. rashis.

 

The VJ year comprises 366 days, which is neither a tropical year nor

a sidereal! As such, it is impossible that they could have

calculated planetary motion accurately, even if they had desired to

do so, which they never did!

 

Solar and lunar eclipses could have been calculated by having

discovered certain cycles like Saros etc. But how exact the predicted

timings could have been is anybody's guess! And that is why " sootaka "

of eclipse timings ranged for more than 12 hours prior to and 12

hours after the calculated timings of eclipses!

 

I am sorry to say that like all the " Vedic astrologers " , you too are

unaware that by linking the Vernal Equinox to Mesha Rashi and then

simultaneously to Ashvini nakshatra right from the dawn of creation

to doomsday, Maya has created such a mess that " Vedic astrologers "

are yet to decide as to whether to call the longitudes as so called

Sayana or nirayana or what! They do not realize that Maya the

mlechha has taken Hindus for a ride by doing so, since we have thus

got completely de-linked from the real Vedic nakshatras as well as

the seasonal calendar, with the result that celebrating our festivals

on correct days has become the main casualty!

God only can, as such, save India from her " Vedic astrologers " who

are even today eulogizing Surya Sidhanta but calculating " Vedic

hroscopes " of Bhagwan Ram and Krishna also from data from JPL/NASA

after deducting the cherished ayanamsha---hundreds of them! Can

there be any better (?) double standards?

With regards,

A K Kaul

 

 

 

 

 

IndiaArchaeology , " kishore patnaik "

<kishorepatnaik09@> wrote:

>

> Dear all,

>

>

>

> I am discussing Burgess here, who has written on Surya Siddhanta.

>

>

>

> 1. It is Balley who first wrote about Surya siddhanta in his

book

> Indian Astronomy. There he had estimated that " accurate

astronomical

> observations had been made in Inda, probably before 3000 bce " This

is a

> conclusion which is justified on independent evidence.

>

> 2. The Vedic sacrificial rites had a close connection with

astronomical

> calculations and several of Vedic deities are in actual, are

cosmological

> figures rather than mere deities representing the immediate natural

forces

>

> 3. In any case, as the vedic rites were regulated by the

position of

> moon with reference to starts, they must be held to pres suppose

accurate

> astro observations, which in fact have come to be a religious

necessity . It

> is therefore reasonable to argue , a priori, that an extensive

astronomical

> knowledge was obtained in India even during the Vedic times, which

is as new

> evidence shows , is much prior to the times of Harappan civilization

>

> 4. It is Pandit Satyavrata Samasrami who had showed that Vedic

seers

> had knowledge of motions of planets – at least five and the causes

of solar

> and lunar eclipses. It is very reasonably accepted that a

knowledge of

> solstice and equinox points existed on the part of Vedic authors.

>

> 5. Surya siddhanta, by the very confession of Ebenezer Burgess

was

> being taught in Indian schools at that time

>

>

>

> With these facts in mind, we also have to consider the following

facts which

> make the intentions of Burgess very clear

>

> 1. Burgess is a Christian missionary

>

> 2. He could not digest the discussion by Bailey who pushed the

date of

> Indian astronomy to 4th Millennium which directly contradicts the

Biblical

> faith

>

> And hence, he went to great lengths of pain to prove that what

Bailey wrote

> was nonsense.

>

> Well, we can not hide that what Burgess wrote was all with

prejudiced mind

> and should be summarily rejected, what ever be the other

credentials of him.

>

>

>

>

> My two pence.

>

>

>

> Kishore patnaik

>

 

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