Fwd: Fwd : Full Moon Night ( an answer i got frm other grp )

December 27, 2008

hinducivilization , " sreedhar.nambiar "

<sreedhar.nambiar wrote:

dear grp i got this reply frm one of the croney's of avatara

krishna

or neo krishna avatara in the name of establishing dharma this is the

activities of him and his monkey Gang s when asking questions they

hides or twists even non kaulians cannot proov anything than name

calling .if this discussion was in face to face assume wat will

happen .

if grp insist i can ask him questions again and let him or any of his

monkeys answer it .but not in their dark room grps This is only

hiding behind net and not a discussion or even honest intellectual

sharing of knoweldge or ideas i asked several questions b4 also no

one no one replied .rather go for hiber nation and come with

previously

disacrded prooved one's again i know they r enjoying that i go

mad .

but this is hieght of stupidity that u ppl entertain this ppl like

kaul

in the name of hindu dharma in this grp .who tries to twist

everything

in th name of vedas and knowledge astrology has nothing to do with

astronomy .astrology the ganita part only we use astronomy then why we

need to proov it ,till 18th centrury it was same and similar and later

parted ways . veda also he never established his knowledge in it

than

claiming i read frm ocver to cover other wise let him proov me

even i

will b happy if he explain one mantra in it and its uses and efficacy

for common ppl and let him proov it too --at least ask him to answer

that . sreedhar namabiar

----

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---- Re: Fwd: Full Moon Night

dear sanat

enough of this bullshit u are proved worst than a worm who has

nothing

to say than making others waist there time ,actualy there shud b a law

to hang ppl like u after flogging in market place

no logic or no science or even no sense

u keep on cheating ppl by publishing books and twisting everything

offcource u can get xian sponsored funding but i will not fall for

it .

, " sanat2221 "

<sanatkumar_jain@> wrote:

>

> Dear Nambiar ji,

>

> >>>>> my question on prooving the tides and

> ebbs on table top in lab conditions and prooving it in scientific

> way.<<<<<<<

> when affect of Gravitation is more then only it can be realized by

> our senses and when it is less then it can only be calculated

> according to mass. Whereas tide/ebb is visible because water from

the

> other side of the earth fill the gap created by tide. If there is no

> water on otherside then like Earth it will only be fixed. In the

same

> way water contained in the body and enclosed in minute cells can not

> be attracted and it will remain fixed like matter.

>

> >>>>>>Evn the question on massiv yawning syndorme is never

> explained<<<<<<< I am sure it is not explained in astrology too.

> Whereas it is possible that some type of virus etc. may be created

> during yawning and may get spread to create multiple yawning. Any

how

> it has nothing to do with astrology.

>

> >>>>>>Now coming to science again i can show same science will say

> pro and

> anti statemnts against liqour .Only needs to choose which one is

suit

> to

> u depends on ur intention and the occassion.<<<<<

> Yes, you are right astrology is like liquor. And if some one is get

> addicted to it then like a drunker he always tries to find fault in

> planets and not in his own capacity, activity, knowledge etc. And

> liquor is always used when some one is happy or depressed; in the

> same way astrology is also used on the occasion of happiness (birth,

> marriage etc) and depression (failure, problem etc.). So you can

> promote astrology like liquor but I will always say that liquor is

> dangerous to health and astrology is dangerous to your mind,

> personality. If you want to use liquor as health supplement then one

> must take it under the advise of doctor. In the same way if you want

> to use astrology then one must learn astronomy and not astrology

> under the lens of science and not according to the advise of

> astrologers.

>

> >>>>>> i asked a question to grand old man of this forum .show me

how

> the

> rigvedic rishies calculated thithies .and this will solv my

doubts .U

> can also try that .also tell me the purpose of it too if possible y

> they

> used it with ur logic ,because we can save lot of hair splitting on

> this vedas and sastras and simple answer finding is

possible .<<<<<<<

> Sh Kaul Ji will also reply. But in short tithi was created for

> counting the annual cycle of rainy season, which is essential for

> agriculture in a upcoming society. 12 rotation of Moon was initially

> enough to count the annual cycle. Thus one cycle was again

bifurcated

> in 15/30 tithis and nearby star was nominated to find the location

of

> Moon.

>

> >>>>>Now another unanswered question i think is on ayanamsa used by

> parasar

> ,varahamihira and aryabhatta i am asking u to show me one chart

> discussed by them and how u arrive at this conclusion.<<<<<<

> If we do not have any chart discussed by Parashar etc. then it does

> not mean that they were using ayanansh. (if you want to say so)

>

> >>>>>> Sure i also agree with u and all this discussion nothing is

> personal in

> it but little prejudiced academic fault finding mission only .<<<<<<

> Certainly not.

>

> >>>>>>First parameter is we already decided to show astro is fraud

> then we r

> cutting our feet to the size of shoes that is all .<<<<<<

> Again certainly not. I am not willing to cut my feet (argument)

> according to socalled decision (shoe). If you can logically convince

> that every principle is based on some scientific (modern astronomy)

> then I am not only willing to accept it because I have spent lot of

> time, but will also withdraw my both books.

>

> I hope I have answered point wise.

>

> Yours

> Sanat

>

> , " sreedhar.nambiar "

> sreedhar.nambiar@ wrote:

> >

> > dear sanat ji

> >

> > I know already this forum is not after science of logic ,other

> wise u

> > wud hav been trying to answer me my question on prooving the tides

> and

> > ebbs on table top in lab conditions and prooving it in scientific

> way

> > .Also many of my questions on scientific proof has been seen and

> meet

> > its destiny (astrologicaly ).as no one prooved me how universe

> > originated ,nor how atoms formed or even how various elemnts

formed

> etc

> > etc .Evn the question on massiv yawning syndorme is never

explained

> >

> > But i am happy for one reason .As jehova promised to jews that if

> > there is one true and good person in this world he will not

destroy

> this

> > earth ,so u r here as our saviour and u r helping us by writing

> books

> > and selling it tho it cannot b taken as fraud as u also must liv

as

> u r

> > not an astrologer who trained in classical traditional way other

> than

> > learning it frm road side books .So exposing this astro frauds (

> that

> > also who learnd it min 20 yrs of toiling after getting usual

> education

> > ) and helping us is one thing i find this world is safe and secure

> > .Other Real bigger and massiv frauds we cannot go against as it is

> big

> > bite for us .So we shud not even worry that 2 lacs farmers in

india

> > suicided even due to policy of govtmnt and frauds committed by MNC

> s (

> > after all who asked them to go and do agriculture why dont they

used

> > their will power and help themselvs )

> >

> > Now coming to science again i can show same science will say pro

and

> > anti statemnts against liqour .Only needs to choose which one is

> suit to

> > u depends on ur intention and the occassion .

> >

> > Now this is what one science journal says on tides on full moon

> days and

> > new moon days

> >

> > Spring Tides

> > When the moon is full or new, the gravitational pull of the moon

> and sun

> > are combined. At these times, the high tides are very high and the

> low

> > tides are very low. This is known as a spring high tide. Spring

> tides

> > are especially strong tides (they do not have anything to do with

> the

> > season Spring). They occur when the Earth, the Sun, and the Moon

> are in

> > a line. The gravitational forces of the Moon and the Sun both

> contribute

> > to the tides. Spring tides occur during the full moon and the new

> moon.

> >

> > Let us trash it

> >

> > Now coming to the knowledge level of rishies

> >

> > i asked a question to grand old man of this forum .show me how

> the

> > rigvedic rishies calculated thithies .and this will solv my

> doubts .U

> > can also try that .also tell me the purpose of it too if possible

y

> they

> > used it with ur logic ,because we can save lot of hair splitting

on

> > this vedas and sastras and simple answer finding is possible .

> >

> > Now another unanwered question i think is on ayanamsa used by

> parasar

> > ,varahamihira and aryabhatta

> >

> > First let me thank u for remebring those frauds .Then i am asking

> u to

> > show me one chart discussed by them and how u arrive at this

> conclusion

> > .so it will help me to answer u and save my time and efforts .So

can

> > also learn what ayanamsa they used with the help of u ppl who are

> > already 35Plus and 50Plus exprnced ( in astrology and it is not a

> > advtmnt of any medicine used as enhancers ) persons

> >

> > Sure i also agree with u and all this discussion nothing is

> personal in

> > it but little prejudiced academic fault finding mission only .

> >

> > First parameter is we already decided to show astro is fraud then

> we r

> > cutting our feet to the size of shoes that is all .

> >

> > Now i hope u may kind enough to answer me by point wise

> >

> > regrds sreedhar Nambiar

> >

> > NB -if there is any points i missed it is not intentional but it

> depends

> > on ur answers first as i needs to know ur awareness on it ,so pls

> > cooperate with me .

> >

> > , " sanat2221 "

> > <sanatkumar_jain@> wrote:

> > >

> > > dear Nambiar ji

> > >

> > > Thanks for your msg.

> > >

> > > >>>>>if u read my mail i never said the full moon days only ebbs

> and

> > > tides

> > > happen where as what i said its volume or nature will b

> more<<<<<<<

> > > I will like to add that full moon has nothing to do with volume

of

> > > tide / ebb.

> > >

> > > >>>>>tho all scientist in world blv the ebbs and tide is caused

by

> > > interaction of earth ,moon and sun.<<<<<

> > > But it was not the contention of our sages.

> > >

> > > >>>>>>as regrds to fooling innocent clients u r right ,every

body

> is

> > > fooling

> > > .because if science cant proov it now and proov after 1000 yrs

> some

> > > thing means ppl r fooled for 1000 yrs<<<<<<

> > > But when astrologers are applying astrological principles, which

> is

> > > not yet proved correct. So do you want to say that we must

follow

> > > these principles in the hope that they will be proved correct

> after

> > > 1000 years. And secondly, by this statement are you not saying

> that

> > > these principles were formulated without any proof and without

any

> > > logic. If there is some logic then we must know it or find it

out

> to

> > > analyze as to whether some major-minor correction is required or

> not.

> > > But my stand is that every principle was formulated on some

logic

> and

> > > the then knowledge. Though that logic and knowledge is not at

par

> > > with modern knowledge hence every principle is now a bunch of

> bogus

> > > and outdated. I have analyzed every principle in detail in my

> book.

> > > But I will not push my views, instead I will like to know your

> > > viewpoint.

> > >

> > > In some another msg you have stated that using a particular

> ayanansh

> > > is personal view. But how a particular value or constant may be

> > > personal. Have you ever heard that value of pie or gravity or

> > > distance of planets or angular arc etc. may be personal. That

too

> > > when ayanansh was never used by our sages like Parashar,

> Varahmihir

> > > and Aryabhatt. Thus either they may be right without using

> ayanansh

> > > while applying basic astrological principles or we may be wrong

> after

> > > applying one or different ayanansh on same primitive principles.

> > >

> > > I hope you will share your logical views.

> > >

> > > Remember nothing is personal and it is only academic discussion.

> > >

> > > Yours truly,

> > > Sanat

> > >

> > > PS : Other silent members may join and share their views.

> > >

> > > I am waiting for the reply of Shri Suprakash Ghosh Ji, on my msg

> of

> > > 16-12-8. I hope he may be quite OK.

> > >

> > > , " sreedhar.nambiar "

> > > sreedhar.nambiar@ wrote:

> > > >

> > > > dear sanat ji

> > > >

> > > > Thanks for ur post

> > > >

> > > > if u read my mail i never said the full moon days only ebbs

and

> > > tides

> > > > happen where as what i said its volume or nature will b more

> > > >

> > > > Even if Moon can attract the water of the Earth but it can not

> > > > attract the water of the humans as is being claimed by

> astrologers,

> > > > because water of the body is enclosed in a very minute cells,

> which

> > > > is not free to be attracted. Have you ever seen that water of

> glass

> > > > which is much more then cell, be attracted and overflown?

> > > >

> > > > This is my question ?? And i asked how we can proov it ,if it

is

> > > moon

> > > > then water in vessel also shud rise and scienist will not or

> cant

> > > blv

> > > > unless it is prooved ,tho all scientist in world blv the ebbs

> and

> > > tide

> > > > is caused by interaction of earth ,moon and sun .

> > > >

> > > > Then this organisms affected tru out the world by phaces of

> moon is

> > > > another story ,even it says the menstrual cycle is affected by

> moon

> > > > ,that we can debate it later .as i hav less time

> > > >

> > > > kujnthu hetu ----

> > > >

> > > > hope now u got my point

> > > >

> > > > as regrds to fooling innocent clients u r right ,every body is

> > > fooling

> > > > .because if science cant proov it now and proov after 1000 yrs

> some

> > > > thing means ppl r fooled for 1000 yrs

> > > >

> > > > regrds sreedhar Nambiar

> > > >

> > > > , " sanat2221 "

> > > > <sanatkumar_jain@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Resp. Kaul Ji and Nambiar Ji,

> > > > > Namaskar,

> > > > > Sh. Kaul Ji, I just want to share my views on your

observation

> > > > > >>>>>>>>, Full Moon is

> > > > > just like another day for them, with the only difference

that

> > > there

> > > > > are ebbs and tides on the Full Moon night.<<<<<<<<<

> > > > > I will like to say that ebbs and tides have nothing to do

with

> > > full

> > > > > moon night. Because tide and ebbs are created when Moon is

> near to

> > > > > the Earth. As it is the matter of the Moon which attract

> water and

> > > > > not the light of the sun which is falling on the Moon and

> matte of

> > > > > the moon is always same irrespective of the tithi. Thus

tide-

> ebb

> > > may

> > > > > be on any tithi (from 1st to 15th) according to its

rotational

> > > cycle

> > > > > around the Earth. This can be easily verified that on some

> full

> > > Moon

> > > > > night, size of the Moon is small (even on full-moon night)

> > > comparing

> > > > > to the size of the Moon on any other day, when it is near to

> the

> > > > > Earth. Linking of the tide with full Moon is only a echo of

> some

> > > > > astrologers who may want to convince his innocent, ignorant

> > > clients.

> > > > >

> > > > > Kind attention Sh Nambiar ji,

> > > > >

> > > > > Even if Moon can attract the water of the Earth but it can

not

> > > > > attract the water of the humans as is being claimed by

> > > astrologers,

> > > > > because water of the body is enclosed in a very minute

cells,

> > > which

> > > > > is not free to be attracted. Have you ever seen that water

of

> > > glass

> > > > > which is much more then cell, be attracted and overflown?

> > > > >

> > > > > Regarding your comments

> > > > > <if u think winning over me is ur aim i agree totaly all ur

> claims

> > > > > and accept my defeat.><just tell me what i wanted to blv

that

> is

> > > all >

> > > > > I will like to say that in the forum we are just exchanging

> our

> > > views

> > > > > with some logic. It is not a question of defeat or win.

Please

> > > have

> > > > > some open and wide mind. If someone has some logic in

support

> of

> > > his

> > > > > stand then we can either accept or reject. It is free will

> that

> > > any

> > > > > one is willing to accept some logic or not. If some one is

> bent

> > > upon

> > > > > to follow some blind faith then we are not supposed to

> socalled

> > > > > defeat him. No one is going to gain any thing from such

> personal

> > > ego.

> > > > > I hope every member will just share their views, as I am

> sharing

> > > my

> > > > > views. I am not concerned to change mindset. It is the duty

of

> > > > > individual to think on logic and decide his future action

> either

> > > on

> > > > > logic side or on blindfaith side. Thus our forum has no

> defeat or

> > > win

> > > > > concept but simply exchange of logical views.

> > > > > " For example. If I am afraid of snakes then it is my mind

set

> and

> > > I

> > > > > will never change it despite I know that only 4 type of

> snakes are

> > > > > poisonous even then I will not allow any other snake in my

> > > house. "

> > > > > in the same way we can only improve our knowledge but we are

> free

> > > to

> > > > > observe our mindset. With logical discussion we just want to

> share

> > > > > our views that mindset is not knowledge and if some one has

> > > thinking

> > > > > that his mindset is knowledge when his mindset is not based

on

> > > some

> > > > > logical information then it is only a blindfaith.

> > > > > Hence continue to share your views but never take it

> personally.

> > > > > Because 98% members in the forum are believer of astrology

but

> > > > > without any logic. They just want to believe because some

one

> has

> > > > > molded their mind in childhood. So keep it up.

> > > > > Thanks

> > > > > Yours truly,

> > > > > Sanat

> > > > > PS : I hope other silent members will also like to share

their

> > > views

> > > > > on any point.

> > > > >

> > > > > , " Avtar Krishen

> Kaul "

> > > > > jyotirved@ wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Shri Sreedhar Nambiarji,

> > > > > > Namaskar!

> > > > > > < If u hav brain u cud hav understand i posted it on full

> moon

> > > day

> > > > > and

> > > > > > it was v spl according to astronomers of the world>

> > > > > > It is only " Vedic astrologers " who have

(deviouis) " brains "

> > > through

> > > > > > which they can " foresee " as to which mail was posted when,

> even

> > > if

> > > > > > the poster has not mentioned anything about the same!

> > > > > > Secondly, as astronomers are anything but astrologers,

Full

> > > Moon is

> > > > > > just like another day for them, with the only difference

> that

> > > there

> > > > > > are ebbs and tides on the Full Moon night.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > <did i say other thithies are bad or good ??>

> > > > > >

> > > > > > If someone says that it is only on a certain tithi that

> Avatars

> > > > > can

> > > > > > incarnate and even attain Enlightenment, it certainly

> excludes

> > > the

> > > > > > other tithis!

> > > > > > <is astro is accidental invention or devine is not ur

> subjuct>

> > > > > >

> > > > > > If you post some mail on a forum, other members are free

to

> > > express

> > > > > > their views! Then again, it appears you are a very

> bad " Vedic

> > > > > > astrologer " since you have not been able to " decipher "

till

> > > date as

> > > > > > to what my subject is or is not!

> > > > > > <,u continue ur mission or the purpose of ur life what

ever

> u

> > > call

> > > > > > it .>

> > > > > > That is exactly what I am doing! My " purpose of life " is

to

> > > prove

> > > > > as

> > > > > > to how on the shoulders of " Vedic astrology " the entire

> Hindu

> > > > > > community is being compelled to celebrate all the

festivals

> and

> > > > > > muhurtas on wrong days! And your " Full Moon syndrome "

itself

> > > shows

> > > > > > that I am succeeding in my efforts!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > <can u prove me on actual basis ur claims of diffrnt

> avatar 's

> > > born

> > > > > on

> > > > > > such and such thithi>

> > > > > > All such claims are as valid or invalid as the one that

> Gautama

> > > the

> > > > > > Budha was born on a Full Moon night!

> > > > > > < Otherwise i am least bothered why no astrologer

predicted

> > > Tsunami

> > > > > or

> > > > > > natural calamity>

> > > > > > On the one hand you are defending " Vedic astrology " to the

> hilt

> > > but

> > > > > > at the same time, you say that you are not bothered about

> any

> > > such

> > > > > > thing!

> > > > > > <if u think winning over me is ur aim i agree totaly all

ur

> > > claims

> > > > > > and accept my defeat.>

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Glad to know that!

> > > > > > <just tell me what i wanted to blv that is all >

> > > > > > Start celebrating festivals on correct days! And for that

> > > purpose

> > > > > > you will have to bid adieu to " Vedic astrology "

> > > > > > With regards,

> > > > > > A K Kaul

> > > > > >

> > > > > > --- In

> , " sreedhar.nambiar "

> > > > > > <sreedhar.nambiar@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > kaulji

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > If u hav brain u cud hav understand i posted it on full

> moon

> > > > > day

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > it was v spl according to astronomers of the world

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > other wise u r assuming everything

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > did i say other thithies are bad or good ??

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > is astro is accidental invention or devine is not ur

> > > subjuct ,u

> > > > > > continue

> > > > > > > ur mission or the purpose of ur life what ever u call

it .

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > can u prove me on actual basis ur claims of diffrnt

> avatar 's

> > > > > born

> > > > > > on

> > > > > > > such and such thithi

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Otherwise i am least bothered why no astrologer

predicted

> > > Tsunami

> > > > > or

> > > > > > > natural calamity and also u need not also worry abt it

as

> > > first

> > > > > of

> > > > > > all u

> > > > > > > dont agree it even if it is happened and then u or me

are

> not

> > > > > > paying for

> > > > > > > them for those who toil for it ,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > so show some honesty than what ever cost trying to win

the

> > > > > arguemnts

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > that is why even after 25 yrs no one in intellectual or

> > > actual or

> > > > > > common

> > > > > > > world do not consider u or ur claims .

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > if u think winning over me is ur aim i agree totaly all

ur

> > > claims

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > accept my defeat .

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > just tell me what i wanted to blv that is all .

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > regrds sreedhar nambiar

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > , " Avtar

Krishen

> > > Kaul "

> > > > > > > <jyotirved@> wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > hinducivilization , " Avtar

Krishen

> > > Kaul "

> > > > > > > > jyotirved@ wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Shri Sreedhar Nambiarji,

> > > > > > > > Namaskar!

> > > > > > > > <even most of the scientific inventions were happned

> > > accidently

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Do you mean to say that astrology also is accidental

> and not

> > > > > > divine?

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > <It is not strange that the people who have become

> > > enlightened -

> > > > > -

> > > > > > only

> > > > > > > > with one exception, Mahavira -- have all become

> enlightened

> > > on

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > > full moon day. Mahavira became enlightened on the

night

> of

> > > > > > amawas --

> > > > > > > > no moon in the night, total darkness. It is because of

> this

> > > > > fact

> > > > > > he is

> > > > > > > > called Mahavira. That is not his name. Mahavira means

> the

> > > great

> > > > > > > > warrior, going against the current -- and not only

going

> > > > > against

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > current but achieving it.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Gautam Buddha became enlightened on the day of the

full

> > > moon.

> > > > > > Gautam

> > > > > > > > Buddha's whole life is connected with the full moon:

he

> was

> > > > > born

> > > > > > on a

> > > > > > > > full moon night, he became enlightened on the full

moon

> > > night,

> > > > > he

> > > > > > died

> > > > > > > > on the full moon night. This cannot be just

> coincidence.>

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > That is the problem with " Vedic astrologers " . They fly

> off

> > > at a

> > > > > > > > tangent!

> > > > > > > > Do you mean to say all other tithis are meaninglesss

and

> > > > > useless?

> > > > > > > > Bhagwan Krishna was born on Krishna Ashtami! Bhagwan

> Ram was

> > > > > born

> > > > > > on

> > > > > > > > Shukla Navmi! Vamana was born on a Dwadashi! Nrisimha

on

> > > > > > > > Chaturdashi!

> > > > > > > > Were all those fake Avatars like our

> imported " Vamadevas " ?

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > <They utilised it for well being of ppl >

> > > > > > > > Predictive gimmicks have never been used for anybody's

> > > > > betterment,

> > > > > > > > least of all Hindu community, who are being compelled

to

> > > > > celebrate

> > > > > > > > all the festivals and muhurtas on wrong days, thanks

> > > to " Vedic

> > > > > > > > astrology " !

> > > > > > > > Most of the top-notch " Vedic astrologers " fell on bad

> days

> > > at

> > > > > the

> > > > > > fag

> > > > > > > > end of their " greatest achievements " . BVR is the

latest

> > > example!

> > > > > > > > Nobody is now using his ayanamsha! His entire empire

has

> > > gone

> > > > > up

> > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > smithereens. His entire family fell on bad days! Is

> that the

> > > > > good

> > > > > > > > they have done to themselves, leave alone others?

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > There are several ohter instances! No astrologer has

as

> yet

> > > ever

> > > > > > > > been able to predict any Tsunami or famine or any

terror

> > > attack

> > > > > > etc.

> > > > > > > > before hand! All hogwash!

> > > > > > > > As such, pl. stop using such cliques and making a fool

> of a

> > > > > common

> > > > > > > > man.

> > > > > > > > Dhanyavad.

> > > > > > > > A K Kaul

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > --- In

> hinducivilization , " sreedhar.nambiar "

> > > > > > > > <sreedhar.nambiar@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > , " sreedhar.nambiar "

> > > > > > > > > <sreedhar.nambiar@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > dear grp .

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > This is how ancients discovered one by one how

planets

> > > affect

> > > > > > us .

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > They utilised it for well being of ppl ,what ever

> they cud

> > > > > > > > emulate .that

> > > > > > > > > is why the propounders of all such kind of theorys

> known

> > > as

> > > > > > muni 's

> > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > rishies in ancient india .

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > when we see results we simply use it ,those who

wants

> wat

> > > > > logic

> > > > > > or

> > > > > > > > > science let them understand it or let them try to

> unravel

> > > it .

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > even fire or wheel or what ever humns invented was

> > > > > > accidental .May b

> > > > > > > > > megaplan of gods .

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > it like all inventions it is happening as designed

by

> > > > > god ,even

> > > > > > > > most of

> > > > > > > > > the scientific inventions were happned

> > > accidently .Nothing was

> > > > > > > > > preplanned but they were ready to receiv it .

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > so b ready to recv good things .

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > regrds sreedhar

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > proof of moon affecting mankind

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > ----------

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Existence is interconnected so deeply, so

> intimately.. .

> > > but

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > distances are vast. On the full moon night you see

the

> > > ocean -

> > > > > -

> > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > affected by the full moon, hand in hand, but the

moon

> is

> > > far

> > > > > > away.

> > > > > > > > And

> > > > > > > > > it is not only the ocean that is affected; even you

> are

> > > > > > affected,

> > > > > > > > > because eighty percent in you is ocean water.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > It is not strange that the people who have become

> > > > > enlightened --

> > > > > > > > only

> > > > > > > > > with one exception, Mahavira -- have all become

> > > enlightened

> > > > > on

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > full moon day. Mahavira became enlightened on the

> night of

> > > > > > amawas --

> > > > > > > > > no moon in the night, total darkness. It is because

of

> > > this

> > > > > > fact he

> > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > called Mahavira. That is not his name. Mahavira

means

> the

> > > > > great

> > > > > > > > > warrior, going against the current -- and not only

> going

> > > > > > against the

> > > > > > > > > current but achieving it.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Gautam Buddha became enlightened on the day of the

> full

> > > moon.

> > > > > > Gautam

> > > > > > > > > Buddha's whole life is connected with the full moon:

> he

> > > was

> > > > > > born on

> > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > full moon night, he became enlightened on the full

> moon

> > > > > night,

> > > > > > he

> > > > > > > > died

> > > > > > > > > on the full moon night. This cannot be just

> coincidence.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > And now psychologists have been studying the effects

> of

> > > the

> > > > > full

> > > > > > > > moon

> > > > > > > > > on the human psyche, and the results are staggering.

> On

> > > the

> > > > > full

> > > > > > > > moon

> > > > > > > > > night more people go mad than any other night, the

> number

> > > is

> > > > > > almost

> > > > > > > > > double. More people commit suicide -- again, the

> number is

> > > > > > almost

> > > > > > > > > double. More people commit murder, and again the

> number is

> > > > > > almost

> > > > > > > > > double. The full moon night does something to the

> human

> > > > > psyche.

> > > > > > The

> > > > > > > > > full moon is so far away -- but not so far away; it

> > > affects

> > > > > you.

> > > > > > > > Since

> > > > > > > > > the very beginning it has been affecting the poets,

> the

> > > > > > painters,

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > sculptors, the musicians, the dancers. They all feel

> that

> > > > > > something

> > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > different under the full moon, that perhaps the rays

> of

> > > the

> > > > > full

> > > > > > > > moon

> > > > > > > > > are hand in hand....

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > But if a scientist take ocean water and keep in a

big

> > > vessel

> > > > > and

> > > > > > > > watch

> > > > > > > > > it on full moon day ,however he is sitting close to

> sea ,u

> > > > > can

> > > > > > see

> > > > > > > > > nothing is happening in the water in vessel .

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > so how u explain it ??

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > can any one illuminate me .if so how its affects ppl

> > > then ???

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > hope the scientific community in grp will explain

it .

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > so that i can also think logicaly and scientificaly

> or i

> > > can

> > > > > > reject

> > > > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > > outrightly .

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > as it does not fit into my awareness .

--- End forwarded message ---

December 27, 2008

hinducivilization , " Avtar Krishen Kaul "

<jyotirved wrote:

Shri Sreedhar Nambiarji,

Namaskar!

You have used the following statement for the moderator of a

different forum, and I quote

<dear sanat

enough of this bullshit u are proved worst than a worm who has

nothing to say than making others waist there time ,actualy there

shud b a law to hang ppl like u after flogging in market place>

What is most disgusting is that you have presented your own statement

to the members of this (hinducivilization) forum in such a manner as

to give an impression that it has been used for you by someone who is

a croney of avatara krishna!

Either you are unaware of the terms and conditions for being a

member of any group or are deliberately feiginign ignorance, that you

cannot use such language as " hang ppl like you after flogging in

market place " . This is actually a Talibani way of dealing with their

antagonists and of late, quite a few " Vedic astrologers " would like

to deal in a similar manner with anyone who points out to them the

follies of their stands!

You are taking subterfuge behind some imaginary injustice to you when

actually you have yet to reply quite a few inconvenient questions

raised by me about the date of Brighu Samhita, Vedic astrology vis-a-

vis Mesha, Vrisha etc. rashis and absence of Mesha etc. rashis in any

indigenous astronomical work prior to the Surya Sidhanta of Maya the

mlechha etc. etc.

Anyway, it is for the moderator of the hc forum to decide

about " gentlemen " like you.

A K Kaul

hinducivilization , " sreedhar.nambiar "

<sreedhar.nambiar@> wrote:

>

> dear grp i got this reply frm one of the croney's of avatara

krishna

> or neo krishna avatara in the name of establishing dharma this is

the

> activities of him and his monkey Gang s when asking questions

they

> hides or twists even non kaulians cannot proov anything than

name

> calling .if this discussion was in face to face assume wat will

happen .

> if grp insist i can ask him questions again and let him or any of

his

> monkeys answer it .but not in their dark room grps This is only

> hiding behind net and not a discussion or even honest intellectual

> sharing of knoweldge or ideas i asked several questions b4 also

no

> one no one replied .rather go for hiber nation and come with

previously

> disacrded prooved one's again i know they r enjoying that i go

mad .

> but this is hieght of stupidity that u ppl entertain this ppl like

kaul

> in the name of hindu dharma in this grp .who tries to twist

everything

> in th name of vedas and knowledge astrology has nothing to do

with

> astronomy .astrology the ganita part only we use astronomy then why

we

> need to proov it ,till 18th centrury it was same and similar and

later

> parted ways . veda also he never established his knowledge in it

than

> claiming i read frm ocver to cover other wise let him proov me

even i

> will b happy if he explain one mantra in it and its uses and

efficacy

> for common ppl and let him proov it too --at least ask him to answer

> that . sreedhar namabiar

> --

----\

> ---- Re: Fwd: Full Moon Night

>

> dear sanat

>

> enough of this bullshit u are proved worst than a worm who has

nothing

> to say than making others waist there time ,actualy there shud b a

law

> to hang ppl like u after flogging in market place

>

> no logic or no science or even no sense

>

> u keep on cheating ppl by publishing books and twisting everything

>

> offcource u can get xian sponsored funding but i will not fall for

it .

>

> , " sanat2221 "

> <sanatkumar_jain@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Nambiar ji,

> >

> > >>>>> my question on prooving the tides and

> > ebbs on table top in lab conditions and prooving it in scientific

> > way.<<<<<<<

> > when affect of Gravitation is more then only it can be realized by

> > our senses and when it is less then it can only be calculated

> > according to mass. Whereas tide/ebb is visible because water from

the

> > other side of the earth fill the gap created by tide. If there is

no

> > water on otherside then like Earth it will only be fixed. In the

same

> > way water contained in the body and enclosed in minute cells can

not

> > be attracted and it will remain fixed like matter.

> >

> > >>>>>>Evn the question on massiv yawning syndorme is never

> > explained<<<<<<< I am sure it is not explained in astrology too.

> > Whereas it is possible that some type of virus etc. may be created

> > during yawning and may get spread to create multiple yawning. Any

how

> > it has nothing to do with astrology.

> >

> > >>>>>>Now coming to science again i can show same science will say

> > pro and

> > anti statemnts against liqour .Only needs to choose which one is

suit

> > to

> > u depends on ur intention and the occassion.<<<<<

> > Yes, you are right astrology is like liquor. And if some one is

get

> > addicted to it then like a drunker he always tries to find fault

in

> > planets and not in his own capacity, activity, knowledge etc. And

> > liquor is always used when some one is happy or depressed; in the

> > same way astrology is also used on the occasion of happiness

(birth,

> > marriage etc) and depression (failure, problem etc.). So you can

> > promote astrology like liquor but I will always say that liquor is

> > dangerous to health and astrology is dangerous to your mind,

> > personality. If you want to use liquor as health supplement then

one

> > must take it under the advise of doctor. In the same way if you

want

> > to use astrology then one must learn astronomy and not astrology

> > under the lens of science and not according to the advise of

> > astrologers.

> >

> > >>>>>> i asked a question to grand old man of this forum .show me

how

> > the

> > rigvedic rishies calculated thithies .and this will solv my

doubts .U

> > can also try that .also tell me the purpose of it too if possible

y

> > they

> > used it with ur logic ,because we can save lot of hair splitting

on

> > this vedas and sastras and simple answer finding is

possible .<<<<<<<

> > Sh Kaul Ji will also reply. But in short tithi was created for

> > counting the annual cycle of rainy season, which is essential for

> > agriculture in a upcoming society. 12 rotation of Moon was

initially

> > enough to count the annual cycle. Thus one cycle was again

bifurcated

> > in 15/30 tithis and nearby star was nominated to find the

location of

> > Moon.

> >

> > >>>>>Now another unanswered question i think is on ayanamsa used

by

> > parasar

> > ,varahamihira and aryabhatta i am asking u to show me one chart

> > discussed by them and how u arrive at this conclusion.<<<<<<

> > If we do not have any chart discussed by Parashar etc. then it

does

> > not mean that they were using ayanansh. (if you want to say so)

> >

> > >>>>>> Sure i also agree with u and all this discussion nothing is

> > personal in

> > it but little prejudiced academic fault finding mission

only .<<<<<<

> > Certainly not.

> >

> > >>>>>>First parameter is we already decided to show astro is fraud

> > then we r

> > cutting our feet to the size of shoes that is all .<<<<<<

> > Again certainly not. I am not willing to cut my feet (argument)

> > according to socalled decision (shoe). If you can logically

convince

> > that every principle is based on some scientific (modern

astronomy)

> > then I am not only willing to accept it because I have spent lot

of

> > time, but will also withdraw my both books.

> >

> > I hope I have answered point wise.

> >

> > Yours

> > Sanat

> >

> > , " sreedhar.nambiar "

> > sreedhar.nambiar@ wrote:

> > >

> > > dear sanat ji

> > >

> > > I know already this forum is not after science of logic ,other

> > wise u

> > > wud hav been trying to answer me my question on prooving the

tides

> > and

> > > ebbs on table top in lab conditions and prooving it in

scientific

> > way

> > > .Also many of my questions on scientific proof has been seen and

> > meet

> > > its destiny (astrologicaly ).as no one prooved me how universe

> > > originated ,nor how atoms formed or even how various elemnts

formed

> > etc

> > > etc .Evn the question on massiv yawning syndorme is never

explained

> > >

> > > But i am happy for one reason .As jehova promised to jews that

if

> > > there is one true and good person in this world he will not

destroy

> > this

> > > earth ,so u r here as our saviour and u r helping us by writing

> > books

> > > and selling it tho it cannot b taken as fraud as u also must

liv as

> > u r

> > > not an astrologer who trained in classical traditional way other

> > than

> > > learning it frm road side books .So exposing this astro frauds (

> > that

> > > also who learnd it min 20 yrs of toiling after getting usual

> > education

> > > ) and helping us is one thing i find this world is safe and

secure

> > > .Other Real bigger and massiv frauds we cannot go against as it

is

> > big

> > > bite for us .So we shud not even worry that 2 lacs farmers in

india

> > > suicided even due to policy of govtmnt and frauds committed by

MNC

> > s (

> > > after all who asked them to go and do agriculture why dont they

used

> > > their will power and help themselvs )

> > >

> > > Now coming to science again i can show same science will say

pro and

> > > anti statemnts against liqour .Only needs to choose which one is

> > suit to

> > > u depends on ur intention and the occassion .

> > >

> > > Now this is what one science journal says on tides on full moon

> > days and

> > > new moon days

> > >

> > > Spring Tides

> > > When the moon is full or new, the gravitational pull of the moon

> > and sun

> > > are combined. At these times, the high tides are very high and

the

> > low

> > > tides are very low. This is known as a spring high tide. Spring

> > tides

> > > are especially strong tides (they do not have anything to do

with

> > the

> > > season Spring). They occur when the Earth, the Sun, and the Moon

> > are in

> > > a line. The gravitational forces of the Moon and the Sun both

> > contribute

> > > to the tides. Spring tides occur during the full moon and the

new

> > moon.

> > >

> > > Let us trash it

> > >

> > > Now coming to the knowledge level of rishies

> > >

> > > i asked a question to grand old man of this forum .show me how

> > the

> > > rigvedic rishies calculated thithies .and this will solv my

> > doubts .U

> > > can also try that .also tell me the purpose of it too if

possible y

> > they

> > > used it with ur logic ,because we can save lot of hair

splitting on

> > > this vedas and sastras and simple answer finding is possible .

> > >

> > > Now another unanwered question i think is on ayanamsa used by

> > parasar

> > > ,varahamihira and aryabhatta

> > >

> > > First let me thank u for remebring those frauds .Then i am

asking

> > u to

> > > show me one chart discussed by them and how u arrive at this

> > conclusion

> > > .so it will help me to answer u and save my time and

efforts .So can

> > > also learn what ayanamsa they used with the help of u ppl who

are

> > > already 35Plus and 50Plus exprnced ( in astrology and it is not

a

> > > advtmnt of any medicine used as enhancers ) persons

> > >

> > > Sure i also agree with u and all this discussion nothing is

> > personal in

> > > it but little prejudiced academic fault finding mission only .

> > >

> > > First parameter is we already decided to show astro is fraud

then

> > we r

> > > cutting our feet to the size of shoes that is all .

> > >

> > > Now i hope u may kind enough to answer me by point wise

> > >

> > > regrds sreedhar Nambiar

> > >

> > > NB -if there is any points i missed it is not intentional but it

> > depends

> > > on ur answers first as i needs to know ur awareness on it ,so

pls

> > > cooperate with me .

> > >

> > > , " sanat2221 "

> > > <sanatkumar_jain@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > dear Nambiar ji

> > > >

> > > > Thanks for your msg.

> > > >

> > > > >>>>>if u read my mail i never said the full moon days only

ebbs

> > and

> > > > tides

> > > > happen where as what i said its volume or nature will b

> > more<<<<<<<

> > > > I will like to add that full moon has nothing to do with

volume of

> > > > tide / ebb.

> > > >

> > > > >>>>>tho all scientist in world blv the ebbs and tide is

caused by

> > > > interaction of earth ,moon and sun.<<<<<

> > > > But it was not the contention of our sages.

> > > >

> > > > >>>>>>as regrds to fooling innocent clients u r right ,every

body

> > is

> > > > fooling

> > > > .because if science cant proov it now and proov after 1000 yrs

> > some

> > > > thing means ppl r fooled for 1000 yrs<<<<<<

> > > > But when astrologers are applying astrological principles,

which

> > is

> > > > not yet proved correct. So do you want to say that we must

follow

> > > > these principles in the hope that they will be proved correct

> > after

> > > > 1000 years. And secondly, by this statement are you not saying

> > that

> > > > these principles were formulated without any proof and

without any

> > > > logic. If there is some logic then we must know it or find it

out

> > to

> > > > analyze as to whether some major-minor correction is required

or

> > not.

> > > > But my stand is that every principle was formulated on some

logic

> > and

> > > > the then knowledge. Though that logic and knowledge is not at

par

> > > > with modern knowledge hence every principle is now a bunch of

> > bogus

> > > > and outdated. I have analyzed every principle in detail in my

> > book.

> > > > But I will not push my views, instead I will like to know your

> > > > viewpoint.

> > > >

> > > > In some another msg you have stated that using a particular

> > ayanansh

> > > > is personal view. But how a particular value or constant may

be

> > > > personal. Have you ever heard that value of pie or gravity or

> > > > distance of planets or angular arc etc. may be personal. That

too

> > > > when ayanansh was never used by our sages like Parashar,

> > Varahmihir

> > > > and Aryabhatt. Thus either they may be right without using

> > ayanansh

> > > > while applying basic astrological principles or we may be

wrong

> > after

> > > > applying one or different ayanansh on same primitive

principles.

> > > >

> > > > I hope you will share your logical views.

> > > >

> > > > Remember nothing is personal and it is only academic

discussion.

> > > >

> > > > Yours truly,

> > > > Sanat

> > > >

> > > > PS : Other silent members may join and share their views.

> > > >

> > > > I am waiting for the reply of Shri Suprakash Ghosh Ji, on my

msg

> > of

> > > > 16-12-8. I hope he may be quite OK.

> > > >

> > > > , " sreedhar.nambiar "

> > > > sreedhar.nambiar@ wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > dear sanat ji

> > > > >

> > > > > Thanks for ur post

> > > > >

> > > > > if u read my mail i never said the full moon days only ebbs

and

> > > > tides

> > > > > happen where as what i said its volume or nature will b more

> > > > >

> > > > > Even if Moon can attract the water of the Earth but it can

not

> > > > > attract the water of the humans as is being claimed by

> > astrologers,

> > > > > because water of the body is enclosed in a very minute

cells,

> > which

> > > > > is not free to be attracted. Have you ever seen that water

of

> > glass

> > > > > which is much more then cell, be attracted and overflown?

> > > > >

> > > > > This is my question ?? And i asked how we can proov it ,if

it is

> > > > moon

> > > > > then water in vessel also shud rise and scienist will not or

> > cant

> > > > blv

> > > > > unless it is prooved ,tho all scientist in world blv the

ebbs

> > and

> > > > tide

> > > > > is caused by interaction of earth ,moon and sun .

> > > > >

> > > > > Then this organisms affected tru out the world by phaces of

> > moon is

> > > > > another story ,even it says the menstrual cycle is affected

by

> > moon

> > > > > ,that we can debate it later .as i hav less time

> > > > >

> > > > > kujnthu hetu ----

> > > > >

> > > > > hope now u got my point

> > > > >

> > > > > as regrds to fooling innocent clients u r right ,every body

is

> > > > fooling

> > > > > .because if science cant proov it now and proov after 1000

yrs

> > some

> > > > > thing means ppl r fooled for 1000 yrs

> > > > >

> > > > > regrds sreedhar Nambiar

> > > > >

> > > > > , " sanat2221 "

> > > > > <sanatkumar_jain@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Resp. Kaul Ji and Nambiar Ji,

> > > > > > Namaskar,

> > > > > > Sh. Kaul Ji, I just want to share my views on your

observation

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>, Full Moon is

> > > > > > just like another day for them, with the only difference

that

> > > > there

> > > > > > are ebbs and tides on the Full Moon night.<<<<<<<<<

> > > > > > I will like to say that ebbs and tides have nothing to do

with

> > > > full

> > > > > > moon night. Because tide and ebbs are created when Moon is

> > near to

> > > > > > the Earth. As it is the matter of the Moon which attract

> > water and

> > > > > > not the light of the sun which is falling on the Moon and

> > matte of

> > > > > > the moon is always same irrespective of the tithi. Thus

tide-

> > ebb

> > > > may

> > > > > > be on any tithi (from 1st to 15th) according to its

rotational

> > > > cycle

> > > > > > around the Earth. This can be easily verified that on some

> > full

> > > > Moon

> > > > > > night, size of the Moon is small (even on full-moon night)

> > > > comparing

> > > > > > to the size of the Moon on any other day, when it is near

to

> > the

> > > > > > Earth. Linking of the tide with full Moon is only a echo

of

> > some

> > > > > > astrologers who may want to convince his innocent,

ignorant

> > > > clients.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Kind attention Sh Nambiar ji,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Even if Moon can attract the water of the Earth but it

can not

> > > > > > attract the water of the humans as is being claimed by

> > > > astrologers,

> > > > > > because water of the body is enclosed in a very minute

cells,

> > > > which

> > > > > > is not free to be attracted. Have you ever seen that

water of

> > > > glass

> > > > > > which is much more then cell, be attracted and overflown?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Regarding your comments

> > > > > > <if u think winning over me is ur aim i agree totaly all

ur

> > claims

> > > > > > and accept my defeat.><just tell me what i wanted to blv

that

> > is

> > > > all >

> > > > > > I will like to say that in the forum we are just

exchanging

> > our

> > > > views

> > > > > > with some logic. It is not a question of defeat or win.

Please

> > > > have

> > > > > > some open and wide mind. If someone has some logic in

support

> > of

> > > > his

> > > > > > stand then we can either accept or reject. It is free will

> > that

> > > > any

> > > > > > one is willing to accept some logic or not. If some one is

> > bent

> > > > upon

> > > > > > to follow some blind faith then we are not supposed to

> > socalled

> > > > > > defeat him. No one is going to gain any thing from such

> > personal

> > > > ego.

> > > > > > I hope every member will just share their views, as I am

> > sharing

> > > > my

> > > > > > views. I am not concerned to change mindset. It is the

duty of

> > > > > > individual to think on logic and decide his future action

> > either

> > > > on

> > > > > > logic side or on blindfaith side. Thus our forum has no

> > defeat or

> > > > win

> > > > > > concept but simply exchange of logical views.

> > > > > > " For example. If I am afraid of snakes then it is my mind

set

> > and

> > > > I

> > > > > > will never change it despite I know that only 4 type of

> > snakes are

> > > > > > poisonous even then I will not allow any other snake in my

> > > > house. "

> > > > > > in the same way we can only improve our knowledge but we

are

> > free

> > > > to

> > > > > > observe our mindset. With logical discussion we just want

to

> > share

> > > > > > our views that mindset is not knowledge and if some one

has

> > > > thinking

> > > > > > that his mindset is knowledge when his mindset is not

based on

> > > > some

> > > > > > logical information then it is only a blindfaith.

> > > > > > Hence continue to share your views but never take it

> > personally.

> > > > > > Because 98% members in the forum are believer of

astrology but

> > > > > > without any logic. They just want to believe because some

one

> > has

> > > > > > molded their mind in childhood. So keep it up.

> > > > > > Thanks

> > > > > > Yours truly,

> > > > > > Sanat

> > > > > > PS : I hope other silent members will also like to share

their

> > > > views

> > > > > > on any point.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > , " Avtar Krishen

> > Kaul "

> > > > > > jyotirved@ wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Shri Sreedhar Nambiarji,

> > > > > > > Namaskar!

> > > > > > > < If u hav brain u cud hav understand i posted it on

full

> > moon

> > > > day

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > it was v spl according to astronomers of the world>

> > > > > > > It is only " Vedic astrologers " who have

(deviouis) " brains "

> > > > through

> > > > > > > which they can " foresee " as to which mail was posted

when,

> > even

> > > > if

> > > > > > > the poster has not mentioned anything about the same!

> > > > > > > Secondly, as astronomers are anything but astrologers,

Full

> > > > Moon is

> > > > > > > just like another day for them, with the only difference

> > that

> > > > there

> > > > > > > are ebbs and tides on the Full Moon night.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > <did i say other thithies are bad or good ??>

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > If someone says that it is only on a certain tithi that

> > Avatars

> > > > > > can

> > > > > > > incarnate and even attain Enlightenment, it certainly

> > excludes

> > > > the

> > > > > > > other tithis!

> > > > > > > <is astro is accidental invention or devine is not ur

> > subjuct>

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > If you post some mail on a forum, other members are

free to

> > > > express

> > > > > > > their views! Then again, it appears you are a very

> > bad " Vedic

> > > > > > > astrologer " since you have not been able to " decipher "

till

> > > > date as

> > > > > > > to what my subject is or is not!

> > > > > > > <,u continue ur mission or the purpose of ur life what

ever

> > u

> > > > call

> > > > > > > it .>

> > > > > > > That is exactly what I am doing! My " purpose of life "

is to

> > > > prove

> > > > > > as

> > > > > > > to how on the shoulders of " Vedic astrology " the entire

> > Hindu

> > > > > > > community is being compelled to celebrate all the

festivals

> > and

> > > > > > > muhurtas on wrong days! And your " Full Moon syndrome "

itself

> > > > shows

> > > > > > > that I am succeeding in my efforts!

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > <can u prove me on actual basis ur claims of diffrnt

> > avatar 's

> > > > born

> > > > > > on

> > > > > > > such and such thithi>

> > > > > > > All such claims are as valid or invalid as the one that

> > Gautama

> > > > the

> > > > > > > Budha was born on a Full Moon night!

> > > > > > > < Otherwise i am least bothered why no astrologer

predicted

> > > > Tsunami

> > > > > > or

> > > > > > > natural calamity>

> > > > > > > On the one hand you are defending " Vedic astrology " to

the

> > hilt

> > > > but

> > > > > > > at the same time, you say that you are not bothered

about

> > any

> > > > such

> > > > > > > thing!

> > > > > > > <if u think winning over me is ur aim i agree totaly

all ur

> > > > claims

> > > > > > > and accept my defeat.>

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Glad to know that!

> > > > > > > <just tell me what i wanted to blv that is all >

> > > > > > > Start celebrating festivals on correct days! And for

that

> > > > purpose

> > > > > > > you will have to bid adieu to " Vedic astrology "

> > > > > > > With regards,

> > > > > > > A K Kaul

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > --- In

> > , " sreedhar.nambiar "

> > > > > > > <sreedhar.nambiar@> wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > kaulji

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > If u hav brain u cud hav understand i posted it on

full

> > moon

> > > > > > day

> > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > it was v spl according to astronomers of the world

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > other wise u r assuming everything

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > did i say other thithies are bad or good ??

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > is astro is accidental invention or devine is not ur

> > > > subjuct ,u

> > > > > > > continue

> > > > > > > > ur mission or the purpose of ur life what ever u call

it .

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > can u prove me on actual basis ur claims of diffrnt

> > avatar 's

> > > > > > born

> > > > > > > on

> > > > > > > > such and such thithi

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Otherwise i am least bothered why no astrologer

predicted

> > > > Tsunami

> > > > > > or

> > > > > > > > natural calamity and also u need not also worry abt

it as

> > > > first

> > > > > > of

> > > > > > > all u

> > > > > > > > dont agree it even if it is happened and then u or me

are

> > not

> > > > > > > paying for

> > > > > > > > them for those who toil for it ,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > so show some honesty than what ever cost trying to

win the

> > > > > > arguemnts

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > that is why even after 25 yrs no one in intellectual

or

> > > > actual or

> > > > > > > common

> > > > > > > > world do not consider u or ur claims .

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > if u think winning over me is ur aim i agree totaly

all ur

> > > > claims

> > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > accept my defeat .

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > just tell me what i wanted to blv that is all .

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > regrds sreedhar nambiar

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > , " Avtar

Krishen

> > > > Kaul "

> > > > > > > > <jyotirved@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > hinducivilization , " Avtar

Krishen

> > > > Kaul "

> > > > > > > > > jyotirved@ wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Shri Sreedhar Nambiarji,

> > > > > > > > > Namaskar!

> > > > > > > > > <even most of the scientific inventions were happned

> > > > accidently

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Do you mean to say that astrology also is accidental

> > and not

> > > > > > > divine?

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > <It is not strange that the people who have become

> > > > enlightened -

> > > > > > -

> > > > > > > only

> > > > > > > > > with one exception, Mahavira -- have all become

> > enlightened

> > > > on

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > full moon day. Mahavira became enlightened on the

night

> > of

> > > > > > > amawas --

> > > > > > > > > no moon in the night, total darkness. It is because

of

> > this

> > > > > > fact

> > > > > > > he is

> > > > > > > > > called Mahavira. That is not his name. Mahavira

means

> > the

> > > > great

> > > > > > > > > warrior, going against the current -- and not only

going

> > > > > > against

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > current but achieving it.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Gautam Buddha became enlightened on the day of the

full

> > > > moon.

> > > > > > > Gautam

> > > > > > > > > Buddha's whole life is connected with the full

moon: he

> > was

> > > > > > born

> > > > > > > on a

> > > > > > > > > full moon night, he became enlightened on the full

moon

> > > > night,

> > > > > > he

> > > > > > > died

> > > > > > > > > on the full moon night. This cannot be just

> > coincidence.>

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > That is the problem with " Vedic astrologers " . They

fly

> > off

> > > > at a

> > > > > > > > > tangent!

> > > > > > > > > Do you mean to say all other tithis are

meaninglesss and

> > > > > > useless?

> > > > > > > > > Bhagwan Krishna was born on Krishna Ashtami! Bhagwan

> > Ram was

> > > > > > born

> > > > > > > on

> > > > > > > > > Shukla Navmi! Vamana was born on a Dwadashi!

Nrisimha on

> > > > > > > > > Chaturdashi!

> > > > > > > > > Were all those fake Avatars like our

> > imported " Vamadevas " ?

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > <They utilised it for well being of ppl >

> > > > > > > > > Predictive gimmicks have never been used for

anybody's

> > > > > > betterment,

> > > > > > > > > least of all Hindu community, who are being

compelled to

> > > > > > celebrate

> > > > > > > > > all the festivals and muhurtas on wrong days, thanks

> > > > to " Vedic

> > > > > > > > > astrology " !

> > > > > > > > > Most of the top-notch " Vedic astrologers " fell on

bad

> > days

> > > > at

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > fag

> > > > > > > > > end of their " greatest achievements " . BVR is the

latest

> > > > example!

> > > > > > > > > Nobody is now using his ayanamsha! His entire

empire has

> > > > gone

> > > > > > up

> > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > smithereens. His entire family fell on bad days! Is

> > that the

> > > > > > good

> > > > > > > > > they have done to themselves, leave alone others?

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > There are several ohter instances! No astrologer

has as

> > yet

> > > > ever

> > > > > > > > > been able to predict any Tsunami or famine or any

terror

> > > > attack

> > > > > > > etc.

> > > > > > > > > before hand! All hogwash!

> > > > > > > > > As such, pl. stop using such cliques and making a

fool

> > of a

> > > > > > common

> > > > > > > > > man.

> > > > > > > > > Dhanyavad.

> > > > > > > > > A K Kaul

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > --- In

> > hinducivilization , " sreedhar.nambiar "

> > > > > > > > > <sreedhar.nambiar@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > > , " sreedhar.nambiar "

> > > > > > > > > > <sreedhar.nambiar@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > dear grp .

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > This is how ancients discovered one by one how

planets

> > > > affect

> > > > > > > us .

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > They utilised it for well being of ppl ,what ever

> > they cud

> > > > > > > > > emulate .that

> > > > > > > > > > is why the propounders of all such kind of theorys

> > known

> > > > as

> > > > > > > muni 's

> > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > rishies in ancient india .

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > when we see results we simply use it ,those who

wants

> > wat

> > > > > > logic

> > > > > > > or

> > > > > > > > > > science let them understand it or let them try to

> > unravel

> > > > it .

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > even fire or wheel or what ever humns invented was

> > > > > > > accidental .May b

> > > > > > > > > > megaplan of gods .

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > it like all inventions it is happening as

designed by

> > > > > > god ,even

> > > > > > > > > most of

> > > > > > > > > > the scientific inventions were happned

> > > > accidently .Nothing was

> > > > > > > > > > preplanned but they were ready to receiv it .

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > so b ready to recv good things .

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > regrds sreedhar

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > proof of moon affecting mankind

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > ----------

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Existence is interconnected so deeply, so

> > intimately.. .

> > > > but

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > distances are vast. On the full moon night you

see the

> > > > ocean -

> > > > > > -

> > > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > affected by the full moon, hand in hand, but the

moon

> > is

> > > > far

> > > > > > > away.

> > > > > > > > > And

> > > > > > > > > > it is not only the ocean that is affected; even

you

> > are

> > > > > > > affected,

> > > > > > > > > > because eighty percent in you is ocean water.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > It is not strange that the people who have become

> > > > > > enlightened --

> > > > > > > > > only

> > > > > > > > > > with one exception, Mahavira -- have all become

> > > > enlightened

> > > > > > on

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > full moon day. Mahavira became enlightened on the

> > night of

> > > > > > > amawas --

> > > > > > > > > > no moon in the night, total darkness. It is

because of

> > > > this

> > > > > > > fact he

> > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > called Mahavira. That is not his name. Mahavira

means

> > the

> > > > > > great

> > > > > > > > > > warrior, going against the current -- and not only

> > going

> > > > > > > against the

> > > > > > > > > > current but achieving it.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Gautam Buddha became enlightened on the day of the

> > full

> > > > moon.

> > > > > > > Gautam

> > > > > > > > > > Buddha's whole life is connected with the full

moon:

> > he

> > > > was

> > > > > > > born on

> > > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > full moon night, he became enlightened on the full

> > moon

> > > > > > night,

> > > > > > > he

> > > > > > > > > died

> > > > > > > > > > on the full moon night. This cannot be just

> > coincidence.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > And now psychologists have been studying the

effects

> > of

> > > > the

> > > > > > full

> > > > > > > > > moon

> > > > > > > > > > on the human psyche, and the results are

staggering.

> > On

> > > > the

> > > > > > full

> > > > > > > > > moon

> > > > > > > > > > night more people go mad than any other night, the

> > number

> > > > is

> > > > > > > almost

> > > > > > > > > > double. More people commit suicide -- again, the

> > number is

> > > > > > > almost

> > > > > > > > > > double. More people commit murder, and again the

> > number is

> > > > > > > almost

> > > > > > > > > > double. The full moon night does something to the

> > human

> > > > > > psyche.

> > > > > > > The

> > > > > > > > > > full moon is so far away -- but not so far away;

it

> > > > affects

> > > > > > you.

> > > > > > > > > Since

> > > > > > > > > > the very beginning it has been affecting the

poets,

> > the

> > > > > > > painters,

> > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > sculptors, the musicians, the dancers. They all

feel

> > that

> > > > > > > something

> > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > different under the full moon, that perhaps the

rays

> > of

> > > > the

> > > > > > full

> > > > > > > > > moon

> > > > > > > > > > are hand in hand....

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > But if a scientist take ocean water and keep in a

big

> > > > vessel

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > watch

> > > > > > > > > > it on full moon day ,however he is sitting close

to

> > sea ,u

> > > > > > can

> > > > > > > see

> > > > > > > > > > nothing is happening in the water in vessel .

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > so how u explain it ??

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > can any one illuminate me .if so how its affects

ppl

> > > > then ???

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > hope the scientific community in grp will explain

it .

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > so that i can also think logicaly and

scientificaly

> > or i

> > > > can

> > > > > > > reject

> > > > > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > > > outrightly .

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > as it does not fit into my awareness .

>

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