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Respected members,

Namaskar,

You may have seen as to how astrologers (members of this group)

always try to sideline the main point of discussion, which may be

very precise. Whenever they asked to clarify or inform their stand

on any astrological point then they always think as to some major

problem has arisen to our culture. Whereas our culture has nothing to

do with predictive astrology but they try to shield themselves under

the false roof of culture.

 

The forum it self has formed to analyze the astrological principles

then where is the question of undermining it. Since the beginning I

am asking (not promoting my views) from every member (learner,

hobbyist, expert etc.) to support their own stand and do not divert

the issue. Interaction can be completed in short. Do not be abusive

as I am not asking to change anybodies mindset. Because mindset can

only be changed by a person himself after acquiring sufficient

information. Hence I am always saying that think differently,

logically and scientifically. Whatever be your mindset but keep

open a window for fresh information.

 

One thing I also find that members wrongly link some information to

any point, which has no connection with main point. For example a

msg was posted (original msg to some other forum) but it was posted

in our forum by a member hence I am taking it.

>>>>>>Why is it that many scientists get interested in astrology? Is

it

because astrology is science?<<<<<<<

Now this is a wrong inference because reader of such sentence may

always think that yes astrology is science. But they forget the

pitfall that astrology which is being referred in the sentence is

astronomy and not predictive astrology. In ancient time there was no

clear cut demarcation in different subjects as is being followed

nowadays. In those days study related to movement of sun and moon

for rituals etc. was knows as astrology. But now a days study

related to the movement of planets etc. is known as astronomy. Thus

astrology includes predictive astrology as well as astronomy. Hence

in general speaking astrology is being used for both streams.

Scientists are always interested in heavenly bodies and all related

study is actually astronomy and they are not concerned with

predictive astrology. But astrologers are always using this mixture

for their benefit to mislead ignorant individuals.

 

Hence I will like to inform the members that they may clearly

demarcate both streams. In this forum we are analyzing the

predictive principles, hence don't be mislead by misquotes.

 

Now I am raising some points for knowing the views of the members.

Please do not be silent or abusive. Share your views and support

your views. Even if you are not able to support your stand after one

or two exchanges then there is no harm. Because then you can think a

fresh to find the support on your own stand or if after proper

thinking you think that whatever I am saying is correct then you can

modify your mindset. But this whole exercise is possible only when

you comes out with your views and do not support your blind-faith.

Remember every principle was not framed in air but they have some

logical support of the then time. Now think and try to answer on any

of the following points.

 

1 How sign name was created. Whether they were created by our sages

or they were imported and accepted because our sages were of the

opinion " Vasudevam kutumbkam " (world is one family) and " tamso ma

jyotirgamay " (ignorance to knowledge).

 

2 What is Rahu Ketu according to you.

 

3 Whether future incident are direct result of planetary position in

horoscope / transit or result is a inference without any direct

involvement of planet? I mean to say that we also draw some inference

from head and tell of a coin after tossing it. But we know that coin

has no direct involvement in any future incident. But if we take some

medicine then it has some direct affect on our body. Thus what is the

position of planets; they may be used as coin or medicine?

 

I hope every member (specially new generation) will take part in

sharing his views for further digging. I am not moderating the mails

hence you can openly share your views without any fear and remember

98% members are on your side. Even if you are against predictive

astrology then it is not sufficient. You must have some logical

answer as to why you are against astrology or why astrology is not

correct. Views related to personal experiences that forecast of so

and so astrologer was not correct or correct has no academic value

except some personal mindset either in favour or against astrology.

So avoid it. We are trying to analyze astrological principles and not

astrologers or mindset of any member.

 

Hope to have some academic exchange of views.

 

Thanks

Yours truly,

Sanat

[Guest guest]

Dear group .

we shud tell max lies to spread for a good cause that is destruction of astrology tru 274 or some memebrs to 6 billion world population as astrology is greatest fraud ,if any dont understad it simply blv us .if u got 100s of exprnces it is still blind faith remebr even jesus has 13 desciples only .but see me .

 

even i am replying as just as opponent to this post ( it is only a game ) as no one will bother this colored statemnts but i got lot of free time recently .And i f i dont reply then think how many is posting too .This is only to divert discussions and point out how the astrologers r frauds and we shud make them out of business if any one still surviving tho already many of them lost livlyhood and run or change opinions and even converted .Where as i request u wanted to see only truth so u will not discuss if it is working nor how it survives 1000s of yrs .

Einstein was telling abt astronomy when he utter this words after falling in a gutter (Here is a quote from Einstein-"Astrology is a science in itself and contains anilluminating body of knowledge. It taught me many thingsand I am greatly indebted to it. Geophysical evidencereveals the power of the stars and planets in relation tothe terrestrial. In turn, astrology reinforces this powerto some extent. This is why astrology is like a life givingelixir to mankind"Source - "Cosmic Religion With Other Opinions andAphorisms," Covici Friede, New York, 1931)and also shri madhavan nair of ISRO when launched chandrayan he took good muhurtha according to muhurtha classics in astronomy by copernikus and galileo

Because all scientist were fraud and they wanted distroy hindus and its flat earth culture which this hindus got as told by their fraud uneducated rishis and this astrology they imported frm greece even without paying any royalty .

 

Now because of gods grace few ppl like us who r not frauds taken avatar in this earth and we write books and sells and even a grp home page is pic of a book .

 

so sure we shud discuss only science of astrology ,not is astrology is a science ??or science of its own is in astrology as it has certain rules and excemptions and replicable technics

and we will hide our real mission ,u shud know why we r worried abt only astrology because it is biggest fraud ,even we dont allow to discuss if the principle of astrology will b working or not .

And science always says if u dont understand bash it and if it happened generalise it by telling oh it is nothing and trash it and if they dont try it even univited and post in grps then argue and challenge with them why dont they do it ,as if being astrologer means numbr one criminal in world who dont even need any human rights .So it allows us even to gate crash all grps and upload our views and post in any grps where the original poster is not avilable for reply or attack even in prvt mails and spam them ,and terrorise asking 1000s questions .If they dont hav time they r afraid of us .

And mind it we r asking questions which we dont understand s ,do u ever heard such illumination and awareness technics in world ,a person spreads the idea which he dont understands or where he was a failure .That is the whole beauti of this forum .we dont understand but u do ur spade work if u support it ,no amnt of own exprnce we dont count it so long as we reject it and we r determined to reject it .

 

same approach we will use to cooks,electician ,plumbers ,doctors ,engineers or even balcksmits ,they r also frauds .as even many dont know science behind it than doing their job sincerely .But can they gaurantee 100% results ,if not they r charlatan s too .The More men out of their business means more fertile ground for us .U see all astrologers lost their business

But since i joined in grp i changed and now i blv tru karma theory of Lord srikrishna ( but according kaulian sant dipika theorey not according to what hindu frauds says ) so i can become americn prez ,who will stop me ( all predictiv gimmiks i stopped blving we can work and attain any thing what ever we want ,u need free will ,why spent some few 100s on astrologers why cant u buy beer and enjoy that time ? what is the problem ??)

 

even i dont know why all ppl in world why waiting for some bail out during this financial crisis they shud just work it out use free will or wheel .

why some one worried when he was implicated in a court case just use free wheel it is avilable in any street .Even by sitting on wheel u can even roll back the yrs u lost in cases or jail .

 

A baby born and both parents died and he shud just use this free wheel which we will manufacture frm banglore and we will make avilable in stores , super markets and where ever 2 ppl can sit even .

same way 160 PPl killed of no reason of their own atleast of their this present birth in mumbai but they dont use free wheel available in all airport and railway stations .

 

same way when harricane or earht quake come use our wheel

 

if any one against my finding he has to re invent wheel .By writing and senting tons and tons mail as proof and we will not agree it finaly ,so better agree b4 hand ,if they want to save the time in this beautiful green earth days allocated to them by god

 

dont u read some foolish memebr ( prashanth nair ) asked so many stupid questions ,did we answer it ?? no we will go hibernation or nivikalpa samadhi when some questions appear,he asked so many questions we will nevr answer it .he asked if u blv rishies has no knowledge and then why u insist using a seperate calender ,did we answer him .

did he ask is maya is asura according to surya sidhantha and u ppl r saying he is frm greece and alexander the gr8 himslf ,but will we answered .we will dsicuss science in strology nothing else even the discussion abt science we dont like ,as all r frauds and charlatans .

 

our only aim is people shud not loose their money on astrology where as 1000s of other spenting methods r availble .

 

regrds prashanth nair

 

 

 

 

, "sanat2221" <sanatkumar_jain wrote:>> > > Respected members,> Namaskar,> You may have seen as to how astrologers (members of this group) > always try to sideline the main point of discussion, which may be > very precise. Whenever they asked to clarify or inform their stand > on any astrological point then they always think as to some major > problem has arisen to our culture. Whereas our culture has nothing to > do with predictive astrology but they try to shield themselves under > the false roof of culture.> > The forum it self has formed to analyze the astrological principles > then where is the question of undermining it. Since the beginning I > am asking (not promoting my views) from every member (learner, > hobbyist, expert etc.) to support their own stand and do not divert > the issue. Interaction can be completed in short. Do not be abusive > as I am not asking to change anybodies mindset. Because mindset can > only be changed by a person himself after acquiring sufficient > information. Hence I am always saying that think differently, > logically and scientifically. Whatever be your mindset but keep > open a window for fresh information.> > One thing I also find that members wrongly link some information to > any point, which has no connection with main point. For example a > msg was posted (original msg to some other forum) but it was posted > in our forum by a member hence I am taking it.> >>>>>>Why is it that many scientists get interested in astrology? Is > it> because astrology is science?<<<<<<<> Now this is a wrong inference because reader of such sentence may > always think that yes astrology is science. But they forget the > pitfall that astrology which is being referred in the sentence is > astronomy and not predictive astrology. In ancient time there was no > clear cut demarcation in different subjects as is being followed > nowadays. In those days study related to movement of sun and moon > for rituals etc. was knows as astrology. But now a days study > related to the movement of planets etc. is known as astronomy. Thus > astrology includes predictive astrology as well as astronomy. Hence > in general speaking astrology is being used for both streams. > Scientists are always interested in heavenly bodies and all related > study is actually astronomy and they are not concerned with > predictive astrology. But astrologers are always using this mixture > for their benefit to mislead ignorant individuals.> > Hence I will like to inform the members that they may clearly > demarcate both streams. In this forum we are analyzing the > predictive principles, hence don't be mislead by misquotes.> > Now I am raising some points for knowing the views of the members. > Please do not be silent or abusive. Share your views and support > your views. Even if you are not able to support your stand after one > or two exchanges then there is no harm. Because then you can think a > fresh to find the support on your own stand or if after proper > thinking you think that whatever I am saying is correct then you can > modify your mindset. But this whole exercise is possible only when > you comes out with your views and do not support your blind-faith. > Remember every principle was not framed in air but they have some > logical support of the then time. Now think and try to answer on any > of the following points.> > 1 How sign name was created. Whether they were created by our sages > or they were imported and accepted because our sages were of the > opinion "Vasudevam kutumbkam" (world is one family) and "tamso ma > jyotirgamay" (ignorance to knowledge).> > 2 What is Rahu Ketu according to you.> > 3 Whether future incident are direct result of planetary position in > horoscope / transit or result is a inference without any direct > involvement of planet? I mean to say that we also draw some inference > from head and tell of a coin after tossing it. But we know that coin > has no direct involvement in any future incident. But if we take some > medicine then it has some direct affect on our body. Thus what is the > position of planets; they may be used as coin or medicine?> > I hope every member (specially new generation) will take part in > sharing his views for further digging. I am not moderating the mails > hence you can openly share your views without any fear and remember > 98% members are on your side. Even if you are against predictive > astrology then it is not sufficient. You must have some logical > answer as to why you are against astrology or why astrology is not > correct. Views related to personal experiences that forecast of so > and so astrologer was not correct or correct has no academic value > except some personal mindset either in favour or against astrology. > So avoid it. We are trying to analyze astrological principles and not > astrologers or mindset of any member.> > Hope to have some academic exchange of views. > > Thanks> Yours truly,> Sanat>