Fwd: The spirit of Astrology & hi hi mantra

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science of hi hi mantra

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dear group

 

this is a hi hi discussion grp ,so i am answering with hi hi as adjectiv .As it is new mantra who ever more scientific shud practise

 

yes ,sure ,hi hi

Mumbai episode --yes teach me which planets make it .hi hi

what an easy way of generalisation ,if i ask any dictums in astro u dont know .hi hi .but u can write books on it and sell ,hi hi ,so much scientific thoughts in it .hi hi

 

why u judge others with ur ignorence ,hi hi

 

even if predicted mumbai attack or tsunami all those astrologer are afraid that they will get rich like bill gates so they dont want so much money ,hi hi .Ask any doctors same question why still epidemics hi hi ,even after paying money upfrnt hi hi .

last time when my computer crashed i lost a data on tsunami predicted by one madras scientist tru astrology ( he is working in meteriological dept ) ,but i must agree he was biggest fraud ,if my memory is correct he predicted last tsunami with 20 or 28 minit diffrnce including the source of disturbance hi hi ,interested one's can ask with meteriological dept ,as it is not only my job ,those who bash it also can search it than saying gutter theories ,HI HI ( i will also tell an easy method to call him fraud he dont know much abt other aspect of astrology than this metorological ,so ask him some other questions ,so we can call him fraud ,hi hi )

 

Govrmnt rather go for tsunami warning mechines as they can get lot of commission and warning can givn in 30 minits advance and TN govtmnt itself orderd 6 machines.hi hi each costing crores hi hi ,and see it use hi hi ,govtmnt gets 30 minits to evacuate or do any precautions .hi hi

 

 

where as this report he submitted has thrown in waste basket .hi hi .who predicted every tsunami in advance with an error of 10 -20 mints,very well in advance .hi hi

 

Now that astrologers who predicted the result of US election is wanted by federal Govtmnt as they r going to giv them big money .hi hi

 

where as what is the benefit u r doing to others than bashing astrologers and astrology

 

i sent mails of what happened to ppl those who dont consult astrology or astrologers ( real life exmples ) ,y dont u help them with free wheeling or tru calender methods or googling some links with budha quotes

 

i am still ready to accept challenges on real life basis .hi hi

 

1 ) how many of u r ready to accept non matchting charts for ur sons or daughter s

 

2) how many of u r ready to liv in a house constructed totaly against vastu prinicple 's

 

3 ) how many of u r ready to start any business on totaly wrong muhurtha

(max largest data required )

 

hi hi

first answer this or avoid it then come and say hi hi ,say u r fooling hi hi ,or ur in ignorence like this hi hi

In the name of educating why u write books on subjucts which u dont know and selling for money and that is not fraud because u want money .so u r not cheating .hi hi

 

where as astrologers after studying some thing for long yrs( wat r the real efforts and study i wrote in one previous mail and any one claiming he done 35 yrs /50 yrs wasting has to proove me too if i want to accept it -i will just ask them to explain some dictum on each books ,easy job hi hi ) they shud not take money ,even if predict for free still they r frauds and it is against free wheeling ,hi hi

 

why dont u answer the mails on free wheeling

i hav no problem in this era of crisis u earn money by cheating or some hidden agenda

 

sure think diffrntly and see how can u make money more ,

 

hi hi ( this will become tomorrows mantra )

 

prashanth Nair

 

 

, "sanat2221" <sanatkumar_jain wrote:>> Resp. Kaul ji,> Namaskar,> Thanks for your endless efforts to infuse some logical quotient in > the mind of members. But today I want to teach you in reverse > direction. Hi Hi Hi.> > You are asking as to why astrologers have not forecasted about the > Mumbai episode. So > > - do you think that our astrologers are God. Certainly not. Because > you may have some personal discussion with many astrologers like me. > All astrologers in their free mind accept the failures of astrology > but they will not admit it in front of their clients. Though many > astrologers have admitted in forums too about the problem with > predictive astrology like sh Inder Jit Sahni (whom you have > referred). > > - do you think that any astrological principle right from varahmihir > to KP or any other branch of prediction have any predictive principle > that during so and so combination of planets, Mumbai episode will > happen. Certainly not. Then when every so called prediction is a > inference drawn by astrologer from his whim fused with current status > of client on the basis of any combination of planet then where is the > question of drawing such correct inference. It is like a tossing of > coin from which every one is free to draw any conclusion on the basis > of head and tail. Then where is the question of any failure of > astrologers who are simply fighting for their livelihood and > providing counseling to a innocent, ignorant fool who has faith that > astrologer and planet will do all good for him. Who will (except > learner astrologers) help those innocent infected fools having wrong > concept, since his childhood, and roaming in various forums or at the > shops of astrologers. Are we not fallen in the mud of predictive > astrology after hooking by family members or by friends etc. So > initially we were also driven in this foolish area. Strangely there > is not a single astrologer even after +2000 years who may say that he > has learnt astrology to some satisfaction. Whenever they caught, they > slip in the coverup of learner otherwise they are learnt. So leave > them for their job.> > Now after so long study and reading, what we are trying to inform the > members that do not fall in the trap as we have already studied with > analytical approach and not for livelihood or for wrong counseling. > So if any member want to come out from this disease then he can only > get rid off from this, only when he will think differently, > logically, scientifically, and always try to find out the answer on > various unanswered questions being raised in the forum. We can only > provide the rope of information but member has to pick the > information and has to try himself for amending his mindset on the > basis of information.> > So Sh. Kaul Ji, please do not blame poor astrologers when they have > no such pinpointed principle. Let them earn from the individuals in > the era of unemployment. Because when Govt. is disabling to create > jobs then let them continue with their job. We are only concerned for > those persons who are going to fall in this pond. Gandhi ji said "do > not hate paapi hate paap". In the same way criticize astrological > principles and not astrologers, which I am doing since the beginning. > What is your (and member's) valuable opinion.> > Hope to hear your regular msg full with information.> > Thanks> > Yours> > Sanat> > > > > > , "Avtar Krishen Kaul" > jyotirved@ wrote:> >> > Shri Prashanth Nairji,> > Namaskar!> > > > < Very hard rules are prescribed by our masters for the persons who> > practice Astrology or for those too who want to consult an > > astrologer...... > > > > In fact the Internet Astrology or what is written in Books or > > Magazines are the graves of the actual cases dealt by the > > Astrologers that too with half information provided which is in > fact > > available to the Astrologer at the time of consultation. Or those > are > > the cases of Famous persons who never consulted an astrologer but > the > > Astrologer wanted to ride a chart for his own interests....>> > > > > > Judging from the criteria that Inder Jit Sahni (IMHO the actual > word > > should be "Inderjit" but then maybe some numerologist as advised > Shri > > Sahni to break his name into two!)has laid down for astrologers, it > > is clear that all the jyotish forums and astrology groups and > > jyotisha magazines and TV jyotishis etc. etc. must call it a day > and > > close their shops!> > > > I, however, wonder whether Shri Sahni himself is following his > > own "guidelines", since he has himself put all these guidelines > (sic!)> > on "Jyoishgroup ", from which you have forwarded > that > > post! But again, may be William Shakespeare was right when he had > > said, "I would easier teach twenty people what to do than to follow > > my own advice"!> > > > <What exactly astrology is all about; To relate your surroundings > > changes within the Nature which can be calculated Mathematically > with > > the Life sciences.?> > So it is basically a Time science.>> > > > Great cry and little wool! In spite of tirllions of "Vedic > > astrolgers" following the "Time Science" being around, apart from > KP-> > walas and Lal Kitab-walas and Jaimini-walas and Mundane-astrology > > experts, etc. etc. not a single one had predicted anything about > > Mumbai carnage by terrorists! For that matter, no disasters or > > floods or famines etc. are/were ever predicted by any jyotishi, in > > spite of their quibblings about "Brihat Samhita", which they claim > to > > be full of such gems!> > > > There was, however, a comic relief on all the TV channels for the > > last two days---no "Astro-uncle" or "Teen deviyan" or "tez-tare" > > or "aapka-bhavishya" or "aapke-tare" etc. etc. on any of the > channels > > since all of them were vying with one another to report the > terrorsit > > activities "exclusively"! After all, these TV channels are more > > worried about their TRPs, and TV jyotishis, like so many other > > things, are only a means to that end!> > Dhanyavad.> > A K Kaul> > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "prashanthnair999" > > <prashanthnair999@> wrote:> > >> > > > > > , "Inder Jit Sahni"> > > <inder_jit_sahni@> wrote:> > > > > > What exactly astrology is all about; To relate your surroundings > > changes> > > within the Nature which can be calculated Mathematically with the > > Life> > > sciences.?> > > > > > > > > > > > So it is basically a Time science.> > > > > > > > > > > > Very hard rules are prescribed by our masters for the persons who> > > practice> > > Astrology or for those too who want to consult an astrologer.> > > > > > > > > > > > To whom one shall teach is also mentioned.> > > > > > > > > > > > When one need to consult an astrologer , it is his Karmic > activity > > which> > > brought to him to an astrologer.> > > > > > Think , how many forces act at that time?> > > > > > > > > > > > And when he consult an astrologer , the Divine Grace , the Karmas> > > negative> > > or positive and the Strong will of the Astrologer , indirectly of > > the> > > Supreme Lord help trace the things to the astrologer and > consultant > > and> > > the> > > person if destined is to be helped , will be helped or will be > > facing> > > a> > > cheater who will wash few of the sins of the consultant and will > > add to> > > his> > > own negative Karmas.> > > > > > > > > > > > So can you compare an internet reading with a real Astrological> > > Experience.> > > Not at All.> > > > > > > > > > > > In fact the Internet Astrology or what is written in Books or > > Magazines> > > are> > > the graves of the actual cases dealt by the Astrologers that too > > with> > > half> > > information provided which is in fact available to the Astrologer > > at the> > > time of consultation. Or those are the cases of Famous persons > who > > never> > > consulted an astrologer but the Astrologer wanted to ride a chart > > for> > > his> > > own interests.> > > > > > These are posted by those who sell themselves for fame or money .> > > > > > Then there are others who run from this group to another to find > > the> > > answer> > > of different astrologers, these are beggars moving under the Mask > of> > > need> > > and are answered by such astrologers either out of proud or > > innocence.> > > These persons do not match the minimum requirements and norms > that > > how> > > to> > > pose a question to an astrologer. Money is not always a > > consideration ,> > > but> > > a person must take other pains to help himself that his > questions > > is> > > addressed properly.> > > > > > > > > > > > Never ask in a group; never answer in a group to the personal > > issues of> > > others; a learned astrologer shall never answer to the > consultants > > in> > > group. A student of Astrology may try this by private answering > to > > the> > > persons asking in the group . The persons whose sub lords are > Moon > > or> > > Mercury stars will never have faith on any astrologer and will > move> > > from> > > this group to another .> > > > > > > > > > > > Do not believe in one minute astrology, any astrologer to check > some> > > combination may ask some questions but this is in real astrology,> > > nothing> > > can change your destiny, forget that purchasing Shoes or buying> > > something> > > else will brought good luck or bad luck. Instead these are tricks > to> > > find if> > > the particular planet had acted or not.> > > > > > I had seen these in abundance but who failed miserably in > predicting> > > future.> > > > > > An astrologer now NO more from Jodhpur will give you your Date of > > Birth> > > and> > > time but everything else he predicted go wrong , he did not > give > > this> > > even to his son.> > > > > > > > > > > > When an Astrologer Predict to a Consultant , the acting forces I > > had> > > explained above.> > > > > > > > > > > > But what when a Student wish to know ? His 9th house operates, > 9this> > > Destiny> > > and 9th is Dharma.> > > > > > Destny is expenditure of Karmas it is expenditure of 10th house > but> > > Dharma> > > is independent identity an identity which shows the holding > nature > > of> > > the> > > individual, it is again through the Guru , which is again an > > independent> > > identity, the 10th for Dharma and Guru are your collection of > > deeds,> > > see> > > how beautifully the 9th and 10th are Collection and expenditure > to > > each> > > other the 9th give strength through Satwoguna to the Rajoguni > > Lagna .> > > > > > > > > > > > He will be addressed as per his own intentions , one's own > > submission> > > to> > > the almighty will produce a teacher for him. According to his 9th > > house.> > > > > > So here it is only a learning experience and it is not the same > as > > was> > > the> > > case when the person actually consulted an Astrologer.> > > > > > > > > > > > If he cannot gain , it is his own fault not of others , all > > teachers> > > are> > > evolution of the Almighty, he who understands it never frustrate,> > > because> > > frustration is , that you don't believe in almighty the Supreme > > Lord.> > > > > > > > > > > > Also being an Astrologer if one cannot differentiate with the > time > > of> > > consultation and time of learning then he is a great Idiot in the> > > science> > > of Astrology and such person shall not be answered by a wise man.> > > > > > > > > > > > I will narrate two cases for the students of Astrology out of > > answered> > > on> > > 23.11.2008 .> > > > > > > > > > > > A woman of 65 years of Age consulting at 30.12.N 75.00.E > appeared> > > before> > > me with no birth chart at 11.26 AM .> > > > > > She said that she was recommended by name by a villager around > 50 > > KMs> > > from> > > here who got a son on the Date as was predicted by me.> > > > > > I asked her a no. from 1 to 249 and she gave me 65 No.> > > > > > The Saturn Antardasha was running in Moon Mahadsha.> > > > > > As per No. chart Jupiter was exact in 7th Cusp, Rahu too had > > shifted in> > > Cusp> > > chart in 7th . For Vedic Astrologers shift the Lagna to 26.33 > > degrees> > > Gemini> > > > > > > > > > > > Now look as the qualification of the woman as an consultant, she > had> > > taken> > > pains to travel through Busses for 40 Kms and then around 10 Km's> > > through> > > Rikshas , and is eager to pay the consultation charges, in such a> > > situation> > > , even if one do not pay and had come for rescue the Astrologer > must> > > answer> > > .> > > > > > She did not tell me anything except that she is much in grief.> > > > > > Looking at Saturn in Venus star I 1st confirmed that you bought a> > > Buffalo> > > from August 2007 to October 2007.> > > > > > And this Buffalo was in trouble or can be loss after 21 > September.> > > > > > Now see , Can I ask this question to my Consultant at Delhi or > > Bombay?> > > > > > No not at all.> > > > > > She confirmed that she purchased one which was worth 70 thousand > > and it> > > died> > > in October.> > > > > > Rahu in the 7h Cusp and 1st Saturn in Venus star and Venus in 6th > > Cusp.> > > > > > > > > > > > How many things could be said now ? Look at my narration.> > > > > > The house is progressing well since Moon Mahadasha ; Jupiter > Venus > > in> > > 4rth> > > from Moon other three malefic in 3rd from Moon. But she is not > > happy> > > mentally because of the respect and care she expects from her > > husband> > > and> > > Sons.> > > > > > Husband had a rise in Sun Mahadasha , may be in politics , but > from> > > Moon> > > Dasha only moving in proud of previous success wasting his time > with> > > others> > > and not caring about her and even beat her and had done so in Rahu> > > antra.> > > > > > > > > > > > She confirmed that her husband was elected Village > > Sarpanch/Headman and> > > remained So for Sun Mahadsha upto 2003, and other things I told > too > > are> > > correct.> > > > > > > > > > > > Sun in 11th from 7th and Jupiter in own house close to 7th cusp > > shows> > > her> > > husband selfish behave, Its being in Sun Star and Sun in 5th Cusp > > shows> > > Political success.> > > > > > > > > > > > IIt also speaks so many other things which after hearing and > after> > > knowing> > > the solution she returned back blessing.> > > > > > > > > > > > 2nd Case I am giving for others to calculate.> > > > > > > > > > > > This was a couple at 11.55 AM on 23.11.2008 at the same place.> > > > > > The Huband gave me his horoscope Date 26.11.1960 time 19.58 > Hours > > IST> > > at> > > Jaito 30.28.N 74.53.E> > > > > > To confirm time I only matched the personality with Sub lord Sun > in> > > Saturn> > > Star occupant of 5th Cusp.> > > > > > That he is a man of Ego , but introvert lazy , doing something > > technical> > > but> > > had a revenue income or a workshop, all linking to 8th house.> > > > > > He confirmed that he is a owner of City Cable network and thus > earn> > > through> > > its revenue .> > > > > > Everything else was told by me and confirmed by him.> > > > > > > > > > > > I am posting this case , what will you say to the consultant at > > this> > > time.> > > > > > With Best Wishes,> > > > > > Inder Jit Sahni> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >