Guest guest Posted November 18, 2008 Report Share Posted November 18, 2008 vedic astrology , Neeraj Gupta <gupta_neeraj_2000 wrote: Hi, I thought about it long ago and wanted to write sometime. Now I think is the right time to say this. Any science / art etc. that deals with future cannot be 100% accurate or true. Astrology is also a science or say a super science which deal with enormously complex things that needs to be predicted (Human Life is so complex if you view it from a top view there is education, parents, health, mind, relationships (friends, spouse, brothers, sisters...), effects of place, diseases, wealth, house, travelling, different people, beahviour and so on...and people expect that astrologers should be correct 100% of the time. It can not be so. I give you the following examples other than astrology which deal with future. Think and observe do they come true 100% of the times. 1. Weather Experts - For very short duration, they can be accurate because they already see the wind that will be there in your town in next day or two. Also, it is very limited study as compared to astrology as there is a different pattern. Even if you are not a weather expert, you can tell that it woule be cold in december, january and so on. Also, there is a very set pattern of weather so predicting is comparatively easy. Try asking some weather expert a definite question like what would be the temperature in missisuaga on 2nd october, 2010 and his prediction can also fail. Or like people ask astrologers about definite things like when will I become father or so on. Ask him when it will rain 8cm next year or when would be the speed of wind north west 50 mph in toronto.. 2. Financial Experts - Who make predictions about market. The world has recently seen the impact. Also, I would like to re-emphasize that the data here is again limited as compared to astrology of human beings. The data of the company is mostly about profit, loss, EPS. PE ratio. I mean the data is almost precise and the people who analyze them have access to this information whereas astrologer deduces on your birth time and birth place. Now say for e.g. you are not an astrologer and you know one person (say your family member) for last 25 years. Now you can predict about his job or growth, because you know his temperament, knowledge, skills etc. 3. Career Counsellors - People who advise children about their future careers by taking MBTI type or holland codes. There is a good margin of error there also. 4. Doctors - Surprised!!. They also do some anticipation (not as much as other three examples do). Say a very brilliant surgeon. Can he tell when he will fall ill in which year, though he is well versed with the anatomy of the physical body. I have seen doctors saying don't worry you will be good in 3 days and due to some allergic reaction or medicine not suiting, the case becomes worse. Even in case related to heart attacks etc, sometimes there is 180* degree turn. I have seen in my close relatives case, that doctors from the very premier and prestigious chain of hospitals told that my relative would be good in another 3-5 days and unfortunately, he died (though they did all the tests, treatment and blah blah) 5. Economists - Ask them about the world econonmy or economy of any particular country for the next 10 years and see if results tally 100%. 6. People who predict about different industries about their growth. Recenlty 6 months back, there was article from DGCA stating that there is a huge shortage of pilots and other airline persons in India and you know the reality now. There are lot others that I can think of from all walks of life. Pick up any thing that deals with future and see if they all come true. Conclusion: Wherever there exists any thing / theory / application that deals with future, it cannot be 100% accurate. Ofcourse, you can find somethings in very limited environment / or very short distance in future that they can tell accurate. (for e.g. it is very cloudy, one can say ok it is going to rain today nd I can tell it 99% of the time) Astrology like other sciences is a study of patterns and deriving conlusions / inferences from them. Ask any intelligent person (who has never studied astrology) to do the following. 1. Take 100 charts of the persons, who died due to heart attack at the age of 70. This is somewhat tough process, but the details like this can be obtained from hospitals (say a cardiac specializing hospital) 2. Present the chart to the person. 3. Ask him to find the pattern. 4. He will find some pattern, not much 5. Now tell him basics of astrology, very limited basics (about 9 planets, 12 houses and lord of various houses in various houses / signs) and tell him that fourth house and its lord is realted to heart. 5. Now again ask him to find the pattern using this information. He will definitely see more patterns. What we did in the above example, we limited our research just as it is in other sciences. There is nothing wrong for astrologers to for predicting wrong. It is just a way to learn more and improve upon oneself. Wherever there is something to be checked for future, definiteness cannot exist as it is known only to Bramha and we can just apply our techniques and we *predict*. If the happening was known to be happen / exist, the word " prediction " would not have been existed. Regards, Neeraj Gupta vedic astrology, Ali muhammed khan <shams0072000@ ...> wrote: > > Namaste Raghunath jee > i have read the previously the mails of PVR Narsimha rao jee he has predicted that Maccain will be the next president many of predcitions of jyotish gurus go wrong what is the reason are they not true guru or some other thing as you know many of peoples in india and other asian countries say that this is ambigouis subject and not a science in such condition and such large forum if any guru predcits and it goes wrong and then antiastrology circles make laugh on amatuer learner like me that leave this is all superstition no one except God can predccit they are just making moneis and fool of us but how defend ourselves please give answer in elaborated way > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 19, 2008 Report Share Posted November 19, 2008 hi, excellent one .--- On Wed, 19/11/08, prashanthnair999 <prashanthnair999 wrote: prashanthnair999 <prashanthnair999 Fwd: Re: [vedic astrology] Re: wrong prediction of pvr narsimha rao jee Date: Wednesday, 19 November, 2008, 6:25 AM vedic astrology , Neeraj Gupta <gupta_neeraj_2000 wrote: Hi, I thought about it long ago and wanted to write sometime. Now I think is the right time to say this. Any science / art etc. that deals with future cannot be 100% accurate or true. Astrology is also a science or say a super science which deal with enormously complex things that needs to be predicted (Human Life is so complex if you view it from a top view there is education, parents, health, mind, relationships (friends, spouse, brothers, sisters...), effects of place, diseases, wealth, house, travelling, different people, beahviour and so on...and people expect that astrologers should be correct 100% of the time. It can not be so. I give you the following examples other than astrology which deal with future. Think and observe do they come true 100% of the times. 1. Weather Experts - For very short duration, they can be accurate because they already see the wind that will be there in your town in next day or two. Also, it is very limited study as compared to astrology as there is a different pattern. Even if you are not a weather expert, you can tell that it woule be cold in december, january and so on. Also, there is a very set pattern of weather so predicting is comparatively easy. Try asking some weather expert a definite question like what would be the temperature in missisuaga on 2nd october, 2010 and his prediction can also fail. Or like people ask astrologers about definite things like when will I become father or so on. Ask him when it will rain 8cm next year or when would be the speed of wind north west 50 mph in toronto.. 2. Financial Experts - Who make predictions about market. The world has recently seen the impact. Also, I would like to re-emphasize that the data here is again limited as compared to astrology of human beings. The data of the company is mostly about profit, loss, EPS. PE ratio. I mean the data is almost precise and the people who analyze them have access to this information whereas astrologer deduces on your birth time and birth place. Now say for e.g. you are not an astrologer and you know one person (say your family member) for last 25 years. Now you can predict about his job or growth, because you know his temperament, knowledge, skills etc. 3. Career Counsellors - People who advise children about their future careers by taking MBTI type or holland codes. There is a good margin of error there also. 4. Doctors - Surprised!!. They also do some anticipation (not as much as other three examples do). Say a very brilliant surgeon. Can he tell when he will fall ill in which year, though he is well versed with the anatomy of the physical body. I have seen doctors saying don't worry you will be good in 3 days and due to some allergic reaction or medicine not suiting, the case becomes worse. Even in case related to heart attacks etc, sometimes there is 180* degree turn. I have seen in my close relatives case, that doctors from the very premier and prestigious chain of hospitals told that my relative would be good in another 3-5 days and unfortunately, he died (though they did all the tests, treatment and blah blah) 5. Economists - Ask them about the world econonmy or economy of any particular country for the next 10 years and see if results tally 100%. 6. People who predict about different industries about their growth. Recenlty 6 months back, there was article from DGCA stating that there is a huge shortage of pilots and other airline persons in India and you know the reality now. There are lot others that I can think of from all walks of life. Pick up any thing that deals with future and see if they all come true. Conclusion: Wherever there exists any thing / theory / application that deals with future, it cannot be 100% accurate. Ofcourse, you can find somethings in very limited environment / or very short distance in future that they can tell accurate. (for e.g. it is very cloudy, one can say ok it is going to rain today nd I can tell it 99% of the time) Astrology like other sciences is a study of patterns and deriving conlusions / inferences from them. Ask any intelligent person (who has never studied astrology) to do the following. 1. Take 100 charts of the persons, who died due to heart attack at the age of 70. This is somewhat tough process, but the details like this can be obtained from hospitals (say a cardiac specializing hospital) 2. Present the chart to the person. 3. Ask him to find the pattern. 4. He will find some pattern, not much 5. Now tell him basics of astrology, very limited basics (about 9 planets, 12 houses and lord of various houses in various houses / signs) and tell him that fourth house and its lord is realted to heart. 5. Now again ask him to find the pattern using this information. He will definitely see more patterns. What we did in the above example, we limited our research just as it is in other sciences. There is nothing wrong for astrologers to for predicting wrong. It is just a way to learn more and improve upon oneself. Wherever there is something to be checked for future, definiteness cannot exist as it is known only to Bramha and we can just apply our techniques and we *predict*. If the happening was known to be happen / exist, the word "prediction" would not have been existed. Regards, Neeraj Gupta vedic astrology, Ali muhammed khan <shams0072000@ ...> wrote: > > Namaste Raghunath jee > i have read the previously the mails of PVR Narsimha rao jee he has predicted that Maccain will be the next president many of predcitions of jyotish gurus go wrong what is the reason are they not true guru or some other thing as you know many of peoples in india and other asian countries say that this is ambigouis subject and not a science in such condition and such large forum if any guru predcits and it goes wrong and then antiastrology circles make laugh on amatuer learner like me that leave this is all superstition no one except God can predccit they are just making moneis and fool of us but how defend ourselves please give answer in elaborated way > --- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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