Guest guest Posted November 4, 2008 Report Share Posted November 4, 2008 HinduCalendar , " Avtar Krishen Kaul " <a_krishen wrote: Shri I Menonji, Namaskar! <If the prediction was done when Obama and McCain announced their candidacy /candidature (I do not know what is the exact english word), then we could discover who is the right astrologist.> I recall that several years back, in Tamilnadu, all the 49 aspiring members of Parliament of AIADMK, including its supremo, Dr. J. Jayalalitha, had filed their nomination papers simultaneously--- at one and the same date and time and place---as per the advice of the " most famous Vedic astrologer " of J Jayalalitha! And for the first time in the hisotry of AIADMK, not a single member, including the superemo herself, was returned to the Parliament---thanks to the " special muhurta " by " special Vedic astrologer " . Then not in the distant past also, Messrs A B Vajpayee and Company lost their cherished throne by advancing the elections at the advice of " Minister of Vedic astrology " . Ironically, the " Minister " himself lost his seat though he had done all the yajnyas and Sahata-Chandis and what not! Maybe he lost because he had got " Vedic astrology " prescribed as an Elective subject by the UGC---which itself proves that " Vedic astrology " is anti-Vedic and the more one encourages it the more one will be the loser in the ultimate analsysis! Moral of the story, " You do not need enemies to ruin you if you have 'Vedic astrologers' to advise/guide you! Regards, AKK HinduCalendar , vavamenon <vavamenon@> wrote: > > If the prediction was done when Obama and McCain announced their candidacy /candidature (I do not know what is the exact english word), then we could discover who is the right astrologist. > > Whatever predictions done one or two days before the election would not be scientific because the undecided voters when voting select the popular candidate and in this case, it is Obama. > > I can also predict that Barak Obama would win which is my gut feeling ! > > vm > > --- On Sun, 11/2/08, Pathmarajah Nagalingam <beastmy@> wrote: > > Pathmarajah Nagalingam <beastmy@> > [HinduCalendar] Last Call > HinduCalendar > Sunday, November 2, 2008, 7:27 PM Last call to astrologers to make their claim whether McCain or Obama > will win! > > McCain is Magha and Osama is Pooradum nakshatra. > > Pathma > --- End forwarded message --- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 4, 2008 Report Share Posted November 4, 2008 dear kaul ji see this Link s /message/15464 /message/7561?threaded=1 & l=1 (Wed Feb 6, 2008 10:15 am ) Dear Members, Myself & Mr. Sunil Nair were discussing the hororscopes of Democrat nominees and compared both horoscopes.....assuming the current internet data of their birth data is correct, it was interesting to observe Mr. Obama is running currently 3HL & 6HL debilitated Jupiter, but exalted in amsa, having a amsa sambadha with Moon i.e. navamsha having Gaj Kesari Yoga. Mr. Obama, 4-Aug-1961, 13:06 hrs, Honolulu, Haiwaiin Islands { Libra Lagna} Ms. Hillary Clinton, 26-Oct-1947, 20:05hrs, Chicago Cast the horoscopes and you will interesting yogas in the Mr. Obama's chart. Given the choice of Experience Vs. Change, make your own selection based on the astro combinations .... for it is very sure that whoever is going to win the Democrats nomination, would end up at White House. We concluded Mr. Obama hororscopes is strong enough and all probability for his election winning...... Few issues that we seriously debilitated is - 1) Deb. Jupiter in natal,exalted in navamsa { will it give positive results ??} 2) 3HL & 6HL Jupiter in Libra Lagna { will it deliver ??} 3) Dasha of Jupiter-Venus periods { will Jupiter Prevail over Venus inspite of above (1) & (2)} 4) 4HL Saturn Vargottam {will it elevate him to White House} By any standards, it appears to be a very close call, by the USA electorate. With regards, Sreeram_Srinivas Wed Feb 6, 2008 10:15 am ( means even b4 primaries and nomination they hav predicted ) all the other VP candidates also later days only came up . regrds Prashanth , "Avtar Krishen Kaul" <jyotirved wrote:>> HinduCalendar , "Avtar Krishen Kaul" > a_krishen@ wrote:> > Shri I Menonji,> Namaskar!> <If the prediction was done when Obama and McCain announced their > candidacy /candidature (I do not know what is the exact english > word), then we could discover who is the right astrologist.>> > I recall that several years back, in Tamilnadu, all the 49 aspiring > members of Parliament of AIADMK, including its supremo, Dr. J. > Jayalalitha, had filed their nomination papers simultaneously--- at > one and the same date and time and place---as per the advice of > the "most famous Vedic astrologer" of J Jayalalitha! And for the > first time in the hisotry of AIADMK, not a single member, including > the superemo herself, was returned to the Parliament---thanks to > the "special muhurta" by "special Vedic astrologer".> Then not in the distant past also, Messrs A B Vajpayee and Company > lost their cherished throne by advancing the elections at the advice > of "Minister of Vedic astrology". Ironically, the "Minister" himself > lost his seat though he had done all the yajnyas and Sahata-Chandis > and what not! Maybe he lost because he had got "Vedic astrology" > prescribed as an Elective subject by the UGC---which itself proves > that "Vedic astrology" is anti-Vedic and the more one encourages it > the more one will be the loser in the ultimate analsysis!> Moral of the story, "You do not need enemies to ruin you if you > have 'Vedic astrologers' to advise/guide you!> Regards,> AKK> > > HinduCalendar , vavamenon <vavamenon@> wrote:> >> > If the prediction was done when Obama and McCain announced their > candidacy /candidature (I do not know what is the exact english > word), then we could discover who is the right astrologist.> > > > Whatever predictions done one or two days before the election would > not be scientific because the undecided voters when voting select the > popular candidate and in this case, it is Obama.> > > > I can also predict that Barak Obama would win which is my gut > feeling !> > > > vm> > > > --- On Sun, 11/2/08, Pathmarajah Nagalingam <beastmy@> wrote:> > > > Pathmarajah Nagalingam <beastmy@>> > [HinduCalendar] Last Call> > HinduCalendar > > Sunday, November 2, 2008, 7:27 PM> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Last call to astrologers to make their claim whether McCain or Obama> > will win!> > > > McCain is Magha and Osama is Pooradum nakshatra.> > > > Pathma> >> > --- End forwarded message ---> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 5, 2008 Report Share Posted November 5, 2008 Dear Shri Prashanth Nairji, Namaskar! <see this Links /message/15464 /message/15464> /message/7561? thre\... " I am not a member of that forum though Shri Sreenadh invited me a couple of times. My experience in that forum has been that the members of that forum jump at the throat of anyone who does not toe their line! Regarding Obama being judged as the winning candidate by some Nirayana-walas, I remember that Shri Narasimha P V R Rao, the owner of " Vedic-astrology " and the organizer of SJH astrological school and also the " creator " of the SJH software had " declared " unquivocally that McCain would win! He also uses Lahiri Ayanamsha! He had also done a thorough analysis of both the charts i.e. of Obama and McCain! Then it can be clear to anybody that if Shri Obama is running Maha- dasha-antar-dasha of planets A and B respectively on November 4/5, 2008 as per Lahiri Ayanamsha, he will be running Mahadasha of planets C & D on the same date as per Chandra Hari Ayanamsha and planets G & H as per Yuktweshar Ayanamsha and planets I & J as per Grahalaghava Ayanamsha---the halmark of Hindu astrology till a few decades back! Same will be the case with all the Jaimini Karakas like Atma, Dara etc. etc., besides Dashamsha, Navamsha etc. etc., hoping, against hope, that the position of planets in the Rashichakra remains the same irrespective of different ayanamshas! And as any tyro in jyotisha must know, if Ayanamsha A is correct all the other Ayanamshas are wrong! But what that Ayanamsha A is, can be anybody's guess, since Ayanamsha is actualy a myth created by jyotishis and for jyotishis, the most deleterious effect of which is that we are celebrating all our festivals and muhurtas on wrong days-- -thanks to nirayana and nirayanawalas! As such, if some prediction by some jyotishis has proved correct, it is just a matter of chance, rather than establishing any credentials of " Vedic astrology " . With regards, A K Kaul PS Pl. do not construe that I am advoating a so called sayana Rashichakra---since there are no Rashis in the Vedas and as such, to call them Sayana or nirayana etc. is meaningless! AKK , " prashanthnair999 " <prashanthnair999 wrote: > > > > > dear kaul ji > > > > see this Link s > /message/15464 > </message/15464> > > > > /message/7561? thre\ > aded=1 & l=1 > </message/7561? thr\ > eaded=1 & l=1> > > (Wed Feb 6, 2008 10:15 am ) > > Dear Members, > > Myself & Mr. Sunil Nair were discussing the hororscopes of Democrat > nominees and compared both horoscopes.....assuming the current internet > data of their birth data is correct, it was interesting to observe Mr. > Obama is running currently 3HL & 6HL debilitated Jupiter, but exalted in > amsa, having a amsa sambadha with Moon i.e. navamsha having Gaj Kesari > Yoga. > > Mr. Obama, 4-Aug-1961, 13:06 hrs, Honolulu, Haiwaiin Islands { Libra > Lagna} > > Ms. Hillary Clinton, 26-Oct-1947, 20:05hrs, Chicago > > Cast the horoscopes and you will interesting yogas in the Mr. Obama's > chart. Given the choice of Experience Vs. Change, make your own > selection based on the astro combinations .... for it is very sure that > whoever is going to win the Democrats nomination, would end up at White > House. > > We concluded Mr. Obama hororscopes is strong enough and all probability > for his election winning...... > > Few issues that we seriously debilitated is - > > 1) Deb. Jupiter in natal,exalted in navamsa { will it give positive > results ??} > > 2) 3HL & 6HL Jupiter in Libra Lagna { will it deliver ??} > > 3) Dasha of Jupiter-Venus periods { will Jupiter Prevail over Venus > inspite of above (1) & (2)} > > 4) 4HL Saturn Vargottam {will it elevate him to White House} > > By any standards, it appears to be a very close call, by the USA > electorate. > > With regards, > > Sreeram_Srinivas > > > > Wed Feb 6, 2008 10:15 am ( means even b4 primaries and nomination they > hav predicted ) > > all the other VP candidates also later days only came up . > > > > regrds Prashanth > > > , " Avtar Krishen Kaul " > <jyotirved@> wrote: > > > > HinduCalendar , " Avtar Krishen Kaul " > > a_krishen@ wrote: > > > > Shri I Menonji, > > Namaskar! > > <If the prediction was done when Obama and McCain announced their > > candidacy /candidature (I do not know what is the exact english > > word), then we could discover who is the right astrologist.> > > > > I recall that several years back, in Tamilnadu, all the 49 aspiring > > members of Parliament of AIADMK, including its supremo, Dr. J. > > Jayalalitha, had filed their nomination papers simultaneously--- at > > one and the same date and time and place---as per the advice of > > the " most famous Vedic astrologer " of J Jayalalitha! And for the > > first time in the hisotry of AIADMK, not a single member, including > > the superemo herself, was returned to the Parliament---thanks to > > the " special muhurta " by " special Vedic astrologer " . > > Then not in the distant past also, Messrs A B Vajpayee and Company > > lost their cherished throne by advancing the elections at the advice > > of " Minister of Vedic astrology " . Ironically, the " Minister " himself > > lost his seat though he had done all the yajnyas and Sahata- Chandis > > and what not! Maybe he lost because he had got " Vedic astrology " > > prescribed as an Elective subject by the UGC---which itself proves > > that " Vedic astrology " is anti-Vedic and the more one encourages it > > the more one will be the loser in the ultimate analsysis! > > Moral of the story, " You do not need enemies to ruin you if you > > have 'Vedic astrologers' to advise/guide you! > > Regards, > > AKK > > > > > > HinduCalendar , vavamenon <vavamenon@> wrote: > > > > > > If the prediction was done when Obama and McCain announced their > > candidacy /candidature (I do not know what is the exact english > > word), then we could discover who is the right astrologist. > > > > > > Whatever predictions done one or two days before the election would > > not be scientific because the undecided voters when voting select the > > popular candidate and in this case, it is Obama. > > > > > > I can also predict that Barak Obama would win which is my gut > > feeling ! > > > > > > vm > > > > > > --- On Sun, 11/2/08, Pathmarajah Nagalingam <beastmy@> wrote: > > > > > > Pathmarajah Nagalingam <beastmy@> > > > [HinduCalendar] Last Call > > > HinduCalendar > > > Sunday, November 2, 2008, 7:27 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Last call to astrologers to make their claim whether McCain or Obama > > > will win! > > > > > > McCain is Magha and Osama is Pooradum nakshatra. > > > > > > Pathma > > > > > > > --- End forwarded message --- > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 5, 2008 Report Share Posted November 5, 2008 dear kaul ji Namaskar yes,i hav seen varying debates on election results and also on ayanamsa issues but dont know head and tail of it . can u educate us wat is this ayanamsa and diffrnce of calenders .(sayana and niryana) pls bear with my ignorence i also posted the same mail in few grps also . take ur own time and b slow in ur mail lessons .Pls dont use much sanskrit in mails .( i mean lessons ) regrds prashanth , "Avtar Krishen Kaul" <jyotirved wrote:>> Dear Shri Prashanth Nairji,> Namaskar!> <see this Links > /message/15464> /message/15464>> /message/7561?> thre\..."> I am not a member of that forum though Shri Sreenadh invited me a > couple of times. My experience in that forum has been that the > members of that forum jump at the throat of anyone who does not toe > their line!> > Regarding Obama being judged as the winning candidate by some > Nirayana-walas, I remember that Shri Narasimha P V R Rao, the owner > of "Vedic-astrology" and the organizer of SJH > astrological school and also the "creator" of the SJH software > had "declared" unquivocally that McCain would win! He also uses > Lahiri Ayanamsha! He had also done a thorough analysis of both the > charts i.e. of Obama and McCain!> > Then it can be clear to anybody that if Shri Obama is running Maha-> dasha-antar-dasha of planets A and B respectively on November 4/5, > 2008 as per Lahiri Ayanamsha, he will be running Mahadasha of planets > C & D on the same date as per Chandra Hari Ayanamsha and planets G & > H as per Yuktweshar Ayanamsha and planets I & J as per Grahalaghava > Ayanamsha---the halmark of Hindu astrology till a few decades back! > Same will be the case with all the Jaimini Karakas like Atma, Dara > etc. etc., besides Dashamsha, Navamsha etc. etc., hoping, against > hope, that the position of planets in the Rashichakra remains the > same irrespective of different ayanamshas!> And as any tyro in jyotisha must know, if Ayanamsha A is correct all > the other Ayanamshas are wrong! But what that Ayanamsha A is, can be > anybody's guess, since Ayanamsha is actualy a myth created by > jyotishis and for jyotishis, the most deleterious effect of which is > that we are celebrating all our festivals and muhurtas on wrong days--> -thanks to nirayana and nirayanawalas!> As such, if some prediction by some jyotishis has proved correct, it > is just a matter of chance, rather than establishing any credentials > of "Vedic astrology".> > With regards,> A K Kaul> > PS > Pl. do not construe that I am advoating a so called sayana > Rashichakra---since there are no Rashis in the Vedas and as such, to > call them Sayana or nirayana etc. is meaningless!> AKK> > > > > > > , "prashanthnair999" > prashanthnair999@ wrote:> >> > > > > > > > dear kaul ji> > > > > > > > see this Link s> > /message/15464> > > </message/15464>> > > > > > > > /message/7561?> thre\> > aded=1 & l=1> > > </message/7561?> thr\> > eaded=1 & l=1>> > > > (Wed Feb 6, 2008 10:15 am )> > > > Dear Members,> > > > Myself & Mr. Sunil Nair were discussing the hororscopes of Democrat> > nominees and compared both horoscopes.....assuming the current > internet> > data of their birth data is correct, it was interesting to observe > Mr.> > Obama is running currently 3HL & 6HL debilitated Jupiter, but > exalted in> > amsa, having a amsa sambadha with Moon i.e. navamsha having Gaj > Kesari> > Yoga.> > > > Mr. Obama, 4-Aug-1961, 13:06 hrs, Honolulu, Haiwaiin Islands { Libra> > Lagna}> > > > Ms. Hillary Clinton, 26-Oct-1947, 20:05hrs, Chicago> > > > Cast the horoscopes and you will interesting yogas in the Mr. > Obama's> > chart. Given the choice of Experience Vs. Change, make your own> > selection based on the astro combinations .... for it is very sure > that> > whoever is going to win the Democrats nomination, would end up at > White> > House.> > > > We concluded Mr. Obama hororscopes is strong enough and all > probability> > for his election winning......> > > > Few issues that we seriously debilitated is -> > > > 1) Deb. Jupiter in natal,exalted in navamsa { will it give positive> > results ??}> > > > 2) 3HL & 6HL Jupiter in Libra Lagna { will it deliver ??}> > > > 3) Dasha of Jupiter-Venus periods { will Jupiter Prevail over Venus> > inspite of above (1) & (2)}> > > > 4) 4HL Saturn Vargottam {will it elevate him to White House}> > > > By any standards, it appears to be a very close call, by the USA> > electorate.> > > > With regards,> > > > Sreeram_Srinivas> > > > > > > > Wed Feb 6, 2008 10:15 am ( means even b4 primaries and nomination > they> > hav predicted )> > > > all the other VP candidates also later days only came up .> > > > > > > > regrds Prashanth> > > > > > , "Avtar Krishen Kaul"> > <jyotirved@> wrote:> > >> > > HinduCalendar , "Avtar Krishen Kaul"> > > a_krishen@ wrote:> > >> > > Shri I Menonji,> > > Namaskar!> > > <If the prediction was done when Obama and McCain announced their> > > candidacy /candidature (I do not know what is the exact english> > > word), then we could discover who is the right astrologist.>> > >> > > I recall that several years back, in Tamilnadu, all the 49 > aspiring> > > members of Parliament of AIADMK, including its supremo, Dr. J.> > > Jayalalitha, had filed their nomination papers simultaneously--- > at> > > one and the same date and time and place---as per the advice of> > > the "most famous Vedic astrologer" of J Jayalalitha! And for the> > > first time in the hisotry of AIADMK, not a single member, > including> > > the superemo herself, was returned to the Parliament---thanks to> > > the "special muhurta" by "special Vedic astrologer".> > > Then not in the distant past also, Messrs A B Vajpayee and Company> > > lost their cherished throne by advancing the elections at the > advice> > > of "Minister of Vedic astrology". Ironically, the "Minister" > himself> > > lost his seat though he had done all the yajnyas and Sahata-> Chandis> > > and what not! Maybe he lost because he had got "Vedic astrology"> > > prescribed as an Elective subject by the UGC---which itself proves> > > that "Vedic astrology" is anti-Vedic and the more one encourages > it> > > the more one will be the loser in the ultimate analsysis!> > > Moral of the story, "You do not need enemies to ruin you if you> > > have 'Vedic astrologers' to advise/guide you!> > > Regards,> > > AKK> > >> > >> > > HinduCalendar , vavamenon <vavamenon@> > wrote:> > > >> > > > If the prediction was done when Obama and McCain announced their> > > candidacy /candidature (I do not know what is the exact english> > > word), then we could discover who is the right astrologist.> > > >> > > > Whatever predictions done one or two days before the election > would> > > not be scientific because the undecided voters when voting select > the> > > popular candidate and in this case, it is Obama.> > > >> > > > I can also predict that Barak Obama would win which is my gut> > > feeling !> > > >> > > > vm> > > >> > > > --- On Sun, 11/2/08, Pathmarajah Nagalingam <beastmy@> wrote:> > > >> > > > Pathmarajah Nagalingam <beastmy@>> > > > [HinduCalendar] Last Call> > > > HinduCalendar > > > > Sunday, November 2, 2008, 7:27 PM> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > Last call to astrologers to make their claim whether McCain or > Obama> > > > will win!> > > >> > > > McCain is Magha and Osama is Pooradum nakshatra.> > > >> > > > Pathma> > > >> > >> > > --- End forwarded message ---> > >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 5, 2008 Report Share Posted November 5, 2008 very well put, Avtar ji. A hundred guys all astrologers predicting the future, one of them eventually turns out right. The public memory is selective remebers the lone success forgetting the many failures. Reminds us of the " blind men and the elephant " fable. Thanks.Buddha is someone who finds freedom in good fortune and bad.~Bodhidharma.The Blind Men and the Elephant by John Godfrey Saxe (1816-1887) American poet John Godfrey Saxe (1816-1887) based this poem, on a fable that was told in India many years ago. It is a good warning about how our sensory perceptions can lead to some serious misinterpretations; especially when the investigations of the component parts of a whole, and their relations in making up the whole, are inadequate and lack co-ordination.It was six men of Indostan To learning much inclined, Who went to see the Elephant (Though all of them were blind), That each by observation Might satisfy his mind The First approached the Elephant, And happening to fall Against his broad and sturdy side, At once began to bawl: " God bless me! but the Elephant Is very like a wall! " The Second, feeling of the tusk, Cried, " Ho! what have we here So very round and smooth and sharp? To me 'tis mighty clear This wonder of an Elephant Is very like a spear! " The Third approached the animal, And happening to take The squirming trunk within his hands, Thus boldly up and spake: " I see, " quoth he, " the Elephant Is very like a snake! " The Fourth reached out an eager hand, And felt about the knee. " What most this wondrous beast is like Is mighty plain, " quoth he; " 'Tis clear enough the Elephant Is very like a tree! " The Fifth, who chanced to touch the ear, Said: " E'en the blindest man Can tell what this resembles most; Deny the fact who can This marvel of an Elephant Is very like a fan! " The Sixth no sooner had begun About the beast to grope, Than, seizing on the swinging tail That fell within his scope, " I see, " quoth he, " the Elephant Is very like a rope! " And so these men of Indostan Disputed loud and long, Each in his own opinion Exceeding stiff and strong, Though each was partly in the right, And all were in the wrong! Moral: So oft in theologic wars, The disputants, I ween, Rail on in utter ignorance Of what each other mean, And prate about an Elephant Not one of them has actually seen!courtesy: http://www.wordinfo.info/Blind-Men-and-Elephant-crop.html On Wed, Nov 5, 2008 at 12:30 PM, Avtar Krishen Kaul <jyotirved wrote: Dear Shri Prashanth Nairji, Namaskar! <see this Links /message/15464 /message/15464> /message/7561? thre\... " I am not a member of that forum though Shri Sreenadh invited me a couple of times. My experience in that forum has been that the members of that forum jump at the throat of anyone who does not toe their line! Regarding Obama being judged as the winning candidate by some Nirayana-walas, I remember that Shri Narasimha P V R Rao, the owner of " Vedic-astrology " and the organizer of SJH astrological school and also the " creator " of the SJH software had " declared " unquivocally that McCain would win! He also uses Lahiri Ayanamsha! He had also done a thorough analysis of both the charts i.e. of Obama and McCain! Then it can be clear to anybody that if Shri Obama is running Maha- dasha-antar-dasha of planets A and B respectively on November 4/5, 2008 as per Lahiri Ayanamsha, he will be running Mahadasha of planets C & D on the same date as per Chandra Hari Ayanamsha and planets G & H as per Yuktweshar Ayanamsha and planets I & J as per Grahalaghava Ayanamsha---the halmark of Hindu astrology till a few decades back! Same will be the case with all the Jaimini Karakas like Atma, Dara etc. etc., besides Dashamsha, Navamsha etc. etc., hoping, against hope, that the position of planets in the Rashichakra remains the same irrespective of different ayanamshas! And as any tyro in jyotisha must know, if Ayanamsha A is correct all the other Ayanamshas are wrong! But what that Ayanamsha A is, can be anybody's guess, since Ayanamsha is actualy a myth created by jyotishis and for jyotishis, the most deleterious effect of which is that we are celebrating all our festivals and muhurtas on wrong days-- -thanks to nirayana and nirayanawalas! As such, if some prediction by some jyotishis has proved correct, it is just a matter of chance, rather than establishing any credentials of " Vedic astrology " . With regards, A K Kaul PS Pl. do not construe that I am advoating a so called sayana Rashichakra---since there are no Rashis in the Vedas and as such, to call them Sayana or nirayana etc. is meaningless! AKK , " prashanthnair999 " <prashanthnair999 wrote: > > > > > dear kaul ji > > > > see this Link s > /message/15464 > </message/15464> > > > > /message/7561? thre\ > aded=1 & l=1 > </message/7561? thr\ > eaded=1 & l=1> > > (Wed Feb 6, 2008 10:15 am ) > > Dear Members, > > Myself & Mr. Sunil Nair were discussing the hororscopes of Democrat > nominees and compared both horoscopes.....assuming the current internet > data of their birth data is correct, it was interesting to observe Mr. > Obama is running currently 3HL & 6HL debilitated Jupiter, but exalted in > amsa, having a amsa sambadha with Moon i.e. navamsha having Gaj Kesari > Yoga. > > Mr. Obama, 4-Aug-1961, 13:06 hrs, Honolulu, Haiwaiin Islands { Libra > Lagna} > > Ms. Hillary Clinton, 26-Oct-1947, 20:05hrs, Chicago > > Cast the horoscopes and you will interesting yogas in the Mr. Obama's > chart. Given the choice of Experience Vs. Change, make your own > selection based on the astro combinations .... for it is very sure that > whoever is going to win the Democrats nomination, would end up at White > House. > > We concluded Mr. Obama hororscopes is strong enough and all probability > for his election winning...... > > Few issues that we seriously debilitated is - > > 1) Deb. Jupiter in natal,exalted in navamsa { will it give positive > results ??} > > 2) 3HL & 6HL Jupiter in Libra Lagna { will it deliver ??} > > 3) Dasha of Jupiter-Venus periods { will Jupiter Prevail over Venus > inspite of above (1) & (2)} > > 4) 4HL Saturn Vargottam {will it elevate him to White House} > > By any standards, it appears to be a very close call, by the USA > electorate. > > With regards, > > Sreeram_Srinivas > > > > Wed Feb 6, 2008 10:15 am ( means even b4 primaries and nomination they > hav predicted ) > > all the other VP candidates also later days only came up . > > > > regrds Prashanth > > > , " Avtar Krishen Kaul " > <jyotirved@> wrote: > > > > HinduCalendar , " Avtar Krishen Kaul " > > a_krishen@ wrote: > > > > Shri I Menonji, > > Namaskar! > > <If the prediction was done when Obama and McCain announced their > > candidacy /candidature (I do not know what is the exact english > > word), then we could discover who is the right astrologist.> > > > > I recall that several years back, in Tamilnadu, all the 49 aspiring > > members of Parliament of AIADMK, including its supremo, Dr. J. > > Jayalalitha, had filed their nomination papers simultaneously--- at > > one and the same date and time and place---as per the advice of > > the " most famous Vedic astrologer " of J Jayalalitha! And for the > > first time in the hisotry of AIADMK, not a single member, including > > the superemo herself, was returned to the Parliament---thanks to > > the " special muhurta " by " special Vedic astrologer " . > > Then not in the distant past also, Messrs A B Vajpayee and Company > > lost their cherished throne by advancing the elections at the advice > > of " Minister of Vedic astrology " . Ironically, the " Minister " himself > > lost his seat though he had done all the yajnyas and Sahata- Chandis > > and what not! Maybe he lost because he had got " Vedic astrology " > > prescribed as an Elective subject by the UGC---which itself proves > > that " Vedic astrology " is anti-Vedic and the more one encourages it > > the more one will be the loser in the ultimate analsysis! > > Moral of the story, " You do not need enemies to ruin you if you > > have 'Vedic astrologers' to advise/guide you! > > Regards, > > AKK > > > > > > HinduCalendar , vavamenon <vavamenon@> wrote: > > > > > > If the prediction was done when Obama and McCain announced their > > candidacy /candidature (I do not know what is the exact english > > word), then we could discover who is the right astrologist. > > > > > > Whatever predictions done one or two days before the election would > > not be scientific because the undecided voters when voting select the > > popular candidate and in this case, it is Obama. > > > > > > I can also predict that Barak Obama would win which is my gut > > feeling ! > > > > > > vm > > > > > > --- On Sun, 11/2/08, Pathmarajah Nagalingam <beastmy@> wrote: > > > > > > Pathmarajah Nagalingam <beastmy@> > > > [HinduCalendar] Last Call > > > HinduCalendar > > > Sunday, November 2, 2008, 7:27 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Last call to astrologers to make their claim whether McCain or Obama > > > will win! > > > > > > McCain is Magha and Osama is Pooradum nakshatra. > > > > > > Pathma > > > > > > > --- End forwarded message --- > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 5, 2008 Report Share Posted November 5, 2008 dipika ji Namasakr , but what shud b taken ?? it was the first prediction on net by this duo on US elections and they never changed a sentance later ,when i serched all forums and even google it and pls think who got real nerv to predict a black becoming prez .they must b cracks ,if u see the history of US and those days MS.hillary was at her best too . regrds prashanth . , "dipika blr" <blr.aspirant wrote:>> very well put, Avtar ji.> > A hundred guys all astrologers predicting the future, one of them eventually> turns out right. The public memory is selective remebers the lone success> forgetting the many failures.> > Reminds us of the "blind men and the elephant" fable.> > Thanks.> > *Buddha* is someone who finds freedom in good fortune and bad.> ~Bodhidharma.> > > The Blind Men and the Elephant by John Godfrey Saxe (1816-1887)> > American poet John Godfrey Saxe (1816-1887) based this poem, on a fable that> was told in India many years ago. It is a good warning about how our sensory> perceptions can lead to some serious misinterpretations; especially when the> investigations of the component parts of a whole, and their relations in> making up the whole, are inadequate and lack co-ordination.> > > > It was six men of Indostan> > To learning much inclined,> Who went to see the Elephant> > (Though all of them were blind),> That each by observation> > Might satisfy his mind> > The First approached the Elephant,> > And happening to fall> Against his broad and sturdy side,> > At once began to bawl:> "God bless me! but the Elephant> > Is very like a wall!"> [image: The first blind man of six blind men feels the side of the elephant> and interprets it as a wall.]> > The Second, feeling of the tusk,> > Cried, "Ho! what have we here> So very round and smooth and sharp?> > To me 'tis mighty clear> This wonder of an Elephant> > Is very like a spear!"> [image: The second blind man of the six blind men feels an elephant tusk and> interprets the elephant to be like a spear.]> > The Third approached the animal,> > And happening to take> The squirming trunk within his hands,> > Thus boldly up and spake:> "I see," quoth he, "the Elephant> > Is very like a snake!"> [image: The third blind man of the six blind men touches the elephant's> trunk and interprets it to be a snake.]> > The Fourth reached out an eager hand,> > And felt about the knee.> "What most this wondrous beast is like> > Is mighty plain," quoth he;> " 'Tis clear enough the Elephant> > Is very like a tree!"> [image: The fourth blind man of the six blind men touches the elephant's leg> and mentally visualizes it to be a tree.]> > The Fifth, who chanced to touch the ear,> > Said: "E'en the blindest man> Can tell what this resembles most;> > Deny the fact who can> This marvel of an Elephant> > Is very like a fan!"> [image: The fifth blind man of the six blind men touches the elephant's ear> and imagines it to be a fan.]> > The Sixth no sooner had begun> > About the beast to grope,> Than, seizing on the swinging tail> > That fell within his scope,> "I see," quoth he, "the Elephant> > Is very like a rope!"> [image: The sixth blind man of the six blind men touches the elephant's tail> and interprets it to be a rope.]> > And so these men of Indostan> > Disputed loud and long,> Each in his own opinion> > Exceeding stiff and strong,> Though each was partly in the right,> > And all were in the wrong!> > *Moral:*> > *So oft in theologic wars, *> > *The disputants, I ween,*> * Rail on in utter ignorance *> > *Of what each other mean,*> * And prate about an Elephant *> > *Not one of them has actually seen!*> courtesy: http://www.wordinfo.info/Blind-Men-and-Elephant-crop.html> > > On Wed, Nov 5, 2008 at 12:30 PM, Avtar Krishen Kaul jyotirvedwrote:> > > Dear Shri Prashanth Nairji,> > Namaskar!> > <see this Links> > /message/15464> > /message/15464>> > /message/7561?> > thre\..."> > I am not a member of that forum though Shri Sreenadh invited me a> > couple of times. My experience in that forum has been that the> > members of that forum jump at the throat of anyone who does not toe> > their line!> >> > Regarding Obama being judged as the winning candidate by some> > Nirayana-walas, I remember that Shri Narasimha P V R Rao, the owner> > of "Vedic-astrology" and the organizer of SJH> > astrological school and also the "creator" of the SJH software> > had "declared" unquivocally that McCain would win! He also uses> > Lahiri Ayanamsha! He had also done a thorough analysis of both the> > charts i.e. of Obama and McCain!> >> > Then it can be clear to anybody that if Shri Obama is running Maha-> > dasha-antar-dasha of planets A and B respectively on November 4/5,> > 2008 as per Lahiri Ayanamsha, he will be running Mahadasha of planets> > C & D on the same date as per Chandra Hari Ayanamsha and planets G & > > H as per Yuktweshar Ayanamsha and planets I & J as per Grahalaghava> > Ayanamsha---the halmark of Hindu astrology till a few decades back!> > Same will be the case with all the Jaimini Karakas like Atma, Dara> > etc. etc., besides Dashamsha, Navamsha etc. etc., hoping, against> > hope, that the position of planets in the Rashichakra remains the> > same irrespective of different ayanamshas!> > And as any tyro in jyotisha must know, if Ayanamsha A is correct all> > the other Ayanamshas are wrong! But what that Ayanamsha A is, can be> > anybody's guess, since Ayanamsha is actualy a myth created by> > jyotishis and for jyotishis, the most deleterious effect of which is> > that we are celebrating all our festivals and muhurtas on wrong days--> > -thanks to nirayana and nirayanawalas!> > As such, if some prediction by some jyotishis has proved correct, it> > is just a matter of chance, rather than establishing any credentials> > of "Vedic astrology".> >> > With regards,> > A K Kaul> >> > PS> > Pl. do not construe that I am advoating a so called sayana> > Rashichakra---since there are no Rashis in the Vedas and as such, to> > call them Sayana or nirayana etc. is meaningless!> > AKK> >> > <%40>,> > "prashanthnair999"> > prashanthnair999@ wrote:> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > dear kaul ji> > >> > >> > >> > > see this Link s> > > /message/15464> > >> > </message/15464>> > >> > >> > >> > > /message/7561?> > thre\> > > aded=1 & l=1> > >> > </message/7561?> > thr\> >> > > eaded=1 & l=1>> > >> > > (Wed Feb 6, 2008 10:15 am )> > >> > > Dear Members,> > >> > > Myself & Mr. Sunil Nair were discussing the hororscopes of Democrat> > > nominees and compared both horoscopes.....assuming the current> > internet> > > data of their birth data is correct, it was interesting to observe> > Mr.> > > Obama is running currently 3HL & 6HL debilitated Jupiter, but> > exalted in> > > amsa, having a amsa sambadha with Moon i.e. navamsha having Gaj> > Kesari> > > Yoga.> > >> > > Mr. Obama, 4-Aug-1961, 13:06 hrs, Honolulu, Haiwaiin Islands { Libra> > > Lagna}> > >> > > Ms. Hillary Clinton, 26-Oct-1947, 20:05hrs, Chicago> > >> > > Cast the horoscopes and you will interesting yogas in the Mr.> > Obama's> > > chart. Given the choice of Experience Vs. Change, make your own> > > selection based on the astro combinations .... for it is very sure> > that> > > whoever is going to win the Democrats nomination, would end up at> > White> > > House.> > >> > > We concluded Mr. Obama hororscopes is strong enough and all> > probability> > > for his election winning......> > >> > > Few issues that we seriously debilitated is -> > >> > > 1) Deb. Jupiter in natal,exalted in navamsa { will it give positive> > > results ??}> > >> > > 2) 3HL & 6HL Jupiter in Libra Lagna { will it deliver ??}> > >> > > 3) Dasha of Jupiter-Venus periods { will Jupiter Prevail over Venus> > > inspite of above (1) & (2)}> > >> > > 4) 4HL Saturn Vargottam {will it elevate him to White House}> > >> > > By any standards, it appears to be a very close call, by the USA> > > electorate.> > >> > > With regards,> > >> > > Sreeram_Srinivas> > >> > >> > >> > > Wed Feb 6, 2008 10:15 am ( means even b4 primaries and nomination> > they> > > hav predicted )> > >> > > all the other VP candidates also later days only came up .> > >> > >> > >> > > regrds Prashanth> > >> > >> > > <%40>,> > "Avtar Krishen Kaul"> > > <jyotirved@> wrote:> > > >> > > > HinduCalendar <HinduCalendar%40>,> > "Avtar Krishen Kaul"> > > > a_krishen@ wrote:> > > >> > > > Shri I Menonji,> > > > Namaskar!> > > > <If the prediction was done when Obama and McCain announced their> > > > candidacy /candidature (I do not know what is the exact english> > > > word), then we could discover who is the right astrologist.>> > > >> > > > I recall that several years back, in Tamilnadu, all the 49> > aspiring> > > > members of Parliament of AIADMK, including its supremo, Dr. J.> > > > Jayalalitha, had filed their nomination papers simultaneously---> > at> > > > one and the same date and time and place---as per the advice of> > > > the "most famous Vedic astrologer" of J Jayalalitha! And for the> > > > first time in the hisotry of AIADMK, not a single member,> > including> > > > the superemo herself, was returned to the Parliament---thanks to> > > > the "special muhurta" by "special Vedic astrologer".> > > > Then not in the distant past also, Messrs A B Vajpayee and Company> > > > lost their cherished throne by advancing the elections at the> > advice> > > > of "Minister of Vedic astrology". Ironically, the "Minister"> > himself> > > > lost his seat though he had done all the yajnyas and Sahata-> > Chandis> > > > and what not! Maybe he lost because he had got "Vedic astrology"> > > > prescribed as an Elective subject by the UGC---which itself proves> > > > that "Vedic astrology" is anti-Vedic and the more one encourages> > it> > > > the more one will be the loser in the ultimate analsysis!> > > > Moral of the story, "You do not need enemies to ruin you if you> > > > have 'Vedic astrologers' to advise/guide you!> > > > Regards,> > > > AKK> > > >> > > >> > > > HinduCalendar <HinduCalendar%40>,> > vavamenon <vavamenon@>> > wrote:> > > > >> > > > > If the prediction was done when Obama and McCain announced their> > > > candidacy /candidature (I do not know what is the exact english> > > > word), then we could discover who is the right astrologist.> > > > >> > > > > Whatever predictions done one or two days before the election> > would> > > > not be scientific because the undecided voters when voting select> > the> > > > popular candidate and in this case, it is Obama.> > > > >> > > > > I can also predict that Barak Obama would win which is my gut> > > > feeling !> > > > >> > > > > vm> > > > >> > > > > --- On Sun, 11/2/08, Pathmarajah Nagalingam <beastmy@> wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Pathmarajah Nagalingam <beastmy@>> > > > > [HinduCalendar] Last Call> > > > > HinduCalendar <HinduCalendar%40>> > > > > Sunday, November 2, 2008, 7:27 PM> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Last call to astrologers to make their claim whether McCain or> > Obama> > > > > will win!> > > > >> > > > > McCain is Magha and Osama is Pooradum nakshatra.> > > > >> > > > > Pathma> > > > >> > > >> > > > --- End forwarded message ---> > > >> > >> >> > > >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 6, 2008 Report Share Posted November 6, 2008 Dear Kaul ji, Namaskar, Thanks for your active participation in exchanging your views. You have rightly quoted the incident of Ms Jayalalitha and Sh Bajpai ji. Astrologers always try to predict according to the general view of the mass like a sattebaz who stake the money on some side but at least they are not cheating the others and these astrologers are continuously befooling innocent and ignorant public. Why not they advise some sattebaz for a big stake on any side after consulting planets or why they are consuming their energy for petty amount through out the world. They can easily earned crores of Rs if they know the course of events stored in future. Hence your conclusion " Moral of the story, " You do not need enemies to ruin you if you have 'Vedic astrologers' to advise/guide you! " is quite right. Yours Sanat , " Avtar Krishen Kaul " <jyotirved wrote: > > HinduCalendar , " Avtar Krishen Kaul " > <a_krishen@> wrote: > > Shri I Menonji, > Namaskar! > <If the prediction was done when Obama and McCain announced their > candidacy /candidature (I do not know what is the exact english > word), then we could discover who is the right astrologist.> > > I recall that several years back, in Tamilnadu, all the 49 aspiring > members of Parliament of AIADMK, including its supremo, Dr. J. > Jayalalitha, had filed their nomination papers simultaneously--- at > one and the same date and time and place---as per the advice of > the " most famous Vedic astrologer " of J Jayalalitha! And for the > first time in the hisotry of AIADMK, not a single member, including > the superemo herself, was returned to the Parliament---thanks to > the " special muhurta " by " special Vedic astrologer " . > Then not in the distant past also, Messrs A B Vajpayee and Company > lost their cherished throne by advancing the elections at the advice > of " Minister of Vedic astrology " . Ironically, the " Minister " himself > lost his seat though he had done all the yajnyas and Sahata-Chandis > and what not! Maybe he lost because he had got " Vedic astrology " > prescribed as an Elective subject by the UGC---which itself proves > that " Vedic astrology " is anti-Vedic and the more one encourages it > the more one will be the loser in the ultimate analsysis! > Moral of the story, " You do not need enemies to ruin you if you > have 'Vedic astrologers' to advise/guide you! > Regards, > AKK > > > HinduCalendar , vavamenon <vavamenon@> wrote: > > > > If the prediction was done when Obama and McCain announced their > candidacy /candidature (I do not know what is the exact english > word), then we could discover who is the right astrologist. > > > > Whatever predictions done one or two days before the election would > not be scientific because the undecided voters when voting select the > popular candidate and in this case, it is Obama. > > > > I can also predict that Barak Obama would win which is my gut > feeling ! > > > > vm > > > > --- On Sun, 11/2/08, Pathmarajah Nagalingam <beastmy@> wrote: > > > > Pathmarajah Nagalingam <beastmy@> > > [HinduCalendar] Last Call > > HinduCalendar > > Sunday, November 2, 2008, 7:27 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Last call to astrologers to make their claim whether McCain or Obama > > will win! > > > > McCain is Magha and Osama is Pooradum nakshatra. > > > > Pathma > > > > --- End forwarded message --- > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 8, 2008 Report Share Posted November 8, 2008 Resp. Nair ji, Namaskar, Thanks for sharing your views regarding some prediction. In this connection I will just like to say that your contention is wrong that every astrologer has predicted about the winning of Mr. Obama. Many astrologers have predicted about his defeat too. Thus main question is that why many astrologers are wrong. We have to find out the reasons. I do not know about your skill in astrology but I presume that you may have gone through at least 2-3 books on astrology. Have you ever seen any principle by which it can be predicted that one will win in election with so and so combination of planets or aspect or dasha etc. Certainly not, you can find that so and so placement of planet is good or bad, so and so combination is good or bad, so and so aspect is good or bad, exalted is good, debilitated is bad (it may also be good), so and so dasha is good or bad and so on. Thus if you go on apply every principle, then what you will find a mixture of good and bad prediction. Now how any astrologer can say that X number of good result will prevail over Y number of bad result or vise versa. Because every astrologer is applying different set of principles for arriving on some conclusion. There is not a single principle in any scripture which says that so and so principle will over ride other principles. Thus any prediction concluded by any astrologer (not only for election but for every sort of prediction) is merely a mindset of astrologer, on the basis of present situation of the client and it is not based on some astrological findings. Thus again we came to our main question of the forum as to what was the procedure for formulating the principles. This much I can assure you that not a single principle was formulated with some divine power but every principle `was' correct and logical in view of the then science and every principle `is' wrong and illogical in view of present scientific knowledge. Remember nothing is personal and it is only academic discussion. I hope members will offer their comments. Yours truly, Sanat PS : Ms Dipikaji your msg regarding blind man is good. Hope members will understand. , " prashanthnair999 " <prashanthnair999 wrote: > > > > > dipika ji > > Namasakr , > > > > but what shud b taken ?? > > > > it was the first prediction on net by this duo on US elections and they > never changed a sentance later ,when i serched all forums and even > google it and pls think who got real nerv to predict a black becoming > prez .they must b cracks ,if u see the history of US and those days > MS.hillary was at her best too . > > > > regrds prashanth . , " dipika blr " > <blr.aspirant@> wrote: > > > > very well put, Avtar ji. > > > > A hundred guys all astrologers predicting the future, one of them > eventually > > turns out right. The public memory is selective remebers the lone > success > > forgetting the many failures. > > > > Reminds us of the " blind men and the elephant " fable. > > > > Thanks. > > > > *Buddha* is someone who finds freedom in good fortune and bad. > > ~Bodhidharma. > > > > > > The Blind Men and the Elephant by John Godfrey Saxe (1816-1887) > > > > American poet John Godfrey Saxe (1816-1887) based this poem, on a > fable that > > was told in India many years ago. It is a good warning about how our > sensory > > perceptions can lead to some serious misinterpretations; especially > when the > > investigations of the component parts of a whole, and their relations > in > > making up the whole, are inadequate and lack co-ordination. > > > > > > > > It was six men of Indostan > > > > To learning much inclined, > > Who went to see the Elephant > > > > (Though all of them were blind), > > That each by observation > > > > Might satisfy his mind > > > > The First approached the Elephant, > > > > And happening to fall > > Against his broad and sturdy side, > > > > At once began to bawl: > > " God bless me! but the Elephant > > > > Is very like a wall! " > > [image: The first blind man of six blind men feels the side of the > elephant > > and interprets it as a wall.] > > > > The Second, feeling of the tusk, > > > > Cried, " Ho! what have we here > > So very round and smooth and sharp? > > > > To me 'tis mighty clear > > This wonder of an Elephant > > > > Is very like a spear! " > > [image: The second blind man of the six blind men feels an elephant > tusk and > > interprets the elephant to be like a spear.] > > > > The Third approached the animal, > > > > And happening to take > > The squirming trunk within his hands, > > > > Thus boldly up and spake: > > " I see, " quoth he, " the Elephant > > > > Is very like a snake! " > > [image: The third blind man of the six blind men touches the > elephant's > > trunk and interprets it to be a snake.] > > > > The Fourth reached out an eager hand, > > > > And felt about the knee. > > " What most this wondrous beast is like > > > > Is mighty plain, " quoth he; > > " 'Tis clear enough the Elephant > > > > Is very like a tree! " > > [image: The fourth blind man of the six blind men touches the > elephant's leg > > and mentally visualizes it to be a tree.] > > > > The Fifth, who chanced to touch the ear, > > > > Said: " E'en the blindest man > > Can tell what this resembles most; > > > > Deny the fact who can > > This marvel of an Elephant > > > > Is very like a fan! " > > [image: The fifth blind man of the six blind men touches the > elephant's ear > > and imagines it to be a fan.] > > > > The Sixth no sooner had begun > > > > About the beast to grope, > > Than, seizing on the swinging tail > > > > That fell within his scope, > > " I see, " quoth he, " the Elephant > > > > Is very like a rope! " > > [image: The sixth blind man of the six blind men touches the > elephant's tail > > and interprets it to be a rope.] > > > > And so these men of Indostan > > > > Disputed loud and long, > > Each in his own opinion > > > > Exceeding stiff and strong, > > Though each was partly in the right, > > > > And all were in the wrong! > > > > *Moral:* > > > > *So oft in theologic wars, * > > > > *The disputants, I ween,* > > * Rail on in utter ignorance * > > > > *Of what each other mean,* > > * And prate about an Elephant * > > > > *Not one of them has actually seen!* > > courtesy: http://www.wordinfo.info/Blind-Men-and-Elephant- crop.html > > > > > > On Wed, Nov 5, 2008 at 12:30 PM, Avtar Krishen Kaul > jyotirved: > > > > > Dear Shri Prashanth Nairji, > > > Namaskar! > > > <see this Links > > > /message/15464 > > > > /message/15464> > > > /message/7561? > > > thre\... " > > > I am not a member of that forum though Shri Sreenadh invited me a > > > couple of times. My experience in that forum has been that the > > > members of that forum jump at the throat of anyone who does not toe > > > their line! > > > > > > Regarding Obama being judged as the winning candidate by some > > > Nirayana-walas, I remember that Shri Narasimha P V R Rao, the owner > > > of " Vedic-astrology " and the organizer of SJH > > > astrological school and also the " creator " of the SJH software > > > had " declared " unquivocally that McCain would win! He also uses > > > Lahiri Ayanamsha! He had also done a thorough analysis of both the > > > charts i.e. of Obama and McCain! > > > > > > Then it can be clear to anybody that if Shri Obama is running Maha- > > > dasha-antar-dasha of planets A and B respectively on November 4/5, > > > 2008 as per Lahiri Ayanamsha, he will be running Mahadasha of > planets > > > C & D on the same date as per Chandra Hari Ayanamsha and planets G & > > > H as per Yuktweshar Ayanamsha and planets I & J as per Grahalaghava > > > Ayanamsha---the halmark of Hindu astrology till a few decades back! > > > Same will be the case with all the Jaimini Karakas like Atma, Dara > > > etc. etc., besides Dashamsha, Navamsha etc. etc., hoping, against > > > hope, that the position of planets in the Rashichakra remains the > > > same irrespective of different ayanamshas! > > > And as any tyro in jyotisha must know, if Ayanamsha A is correct all > > > the other Ayanamshas are wrong! But what that Ayanamsha A is, can be > > > anybody's guess, since Ayanamsha is actualy a myth created by > > > jyotishis and for jyotishis, the most deleterious effect of which is > > > that we are celebrating all our festivals and muhurtas on wrong > days-- > > > -thanks to nirayana and nirayanawalas! > > > As such, if some prediction by some jyotishis has proved correct, it > > > is just a matter of chance, rather than establishing any credentials > > > of " Vedic astrology " . > > > > > > With regards, > > > A K Kaul > > > > > > PS > > > Pl. do not construe that I am advoating a so called sayana > > > Rashichakra---since there are no Rashis in the Vedas and as such, to > > > call them Sayana or nirayana etc. is meaningless! > > > AKK > > > > > > --- In > <% 40>\ > , > > > " prashanthnair999 " > > > prashanthnair999@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dear kaul ji > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > see this Link s > > > > > /message/15464 > > > > > > > > </message/15464> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > /message/7561? > > > thre\ > > > > aded=1 & l=1 > > > > > > > > </message/7561? > > > thr\ > > > > > > > eaded=1 & l=1> > > > > > > > > (Wed Feb 6, 2008 10:15 am ) > > > > > > > > Dear Members, > > > > > > > > Myself & Mr. Sunil Nair were discussing the hororscopes of > Democrat > > > > nominees and compared both horoscopes.....assuming the current > > > internet > > > > data of their birth data is correct, it was interesting to observe > > > Mr. > > > > Obama is running currently 3HL & 6HL debilitated Jupiter, but > > > exalted in > > > > amsa, having a amsa sambadha with Moon i.e. navamsha having Gaj > > > Kesari > > > > Yoga. > > > > > > > > Mr. Obama, 4-Aug-1961, 13:06 hrs, Honolulu, Haiwaiin Islands { > Libra > > > > Lagna} > > > > > > > > Ms. Hillary Clinton, 26-Oct-1947, 20:05hrs, Chicago > > > > > > > > Cast the horoscopes and you will interesting yogas in the Mr. > > > Obama's > > > > chart. Given the choice of Experience Vs. Change, make your own > > > > selection based on the astro combinations .... for it is very sure > > > that > > > > whoever is going to win the Democrats nomination, would end up at > > > White > > > > House. > > > > > > > > We concluded Mr. Obama hororscopes is strong enough and all > > > probability > > > > for his election winning...... > > > > > > > > Few issues that we seriously debilitated is - > > > > > > > > 1) Deb. Jupiter in natal,exalted in navamsa { will it give > positive > > > > results ??} > > > > > > > > 2) 3HL & 6HL Jupiter in Libra Lagna { will it deliver ??} > > > > > > > > 3) Dasha of Jupiter-Venus periods { will Jupiter Prevail over > Venus > > > > inspite of above (1) & (2)} > > > > > > > > 4) 4HL Saturn Vargottam {will it elevate him to White House} > > > > > > > > By any standards, it appears to be a very close call, by the USA > > > > electorate. > > > > > > > > With regards, > > > > > > > > Sreeram_Srinivas > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Wed Feb 6, 2008 10:15 am ( means even b4 primaries and nomination > > > they > > > > hav predicted ) > > > > > > > > all the other VP candidates also later days only came up . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regrds Prashanth > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > <% 40>\ > , > > > " Avtar Krishen Kaul " > > > > <jyotirved@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > HinduCalendar > <HinduCalendar%40>, > > > " Avtar Krishen Kaul " > > > > > a_krishen@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Shri I Menonji, > > > > > Namaskar! > > > > > <If the prediction was done when Obama and McCain announced > their > > > > > candidacy /candidature (I do not know what is the exact english > > > > > word), then we could discover who is the right astrologist.> > > > > > > > > > > I recall that several years back, in Tamilnadu, all the 49 > > > aspiring > > > > > members of Parliament of AIADMK, including its supremo, Dr. J. > > > > > Jayalalitha, had filed their nomination papers simultaneously--- > > > at > > > > > one and the same date and time and place---as per the advice of > > > > > the " most famous Vedic astrologer " of J Jayalalitha! And for the > > > > > first time in the hisotry of AIADMK, not a single member, > > > including > > > > > the superemo herself, was returned to the Parliament--- thanks to > > > > > the " special muhurta " by " special Vedic astrologer " . > > > > > Then not in the distant past also, Messrs A B Vajpayee and > Company > > > > > lost their cherished throne by advancing the elections at the > > > advice > > > > > of " Minister of Vedic astrology " . Ironically, the " Minister " > > > himself > > > > > lost his seat though he had done all the yajnyas and Sahata- > > > Chandis > > > > > and what not! Maybe he lost because he had got " Vedic astrology " > > > > > prescribed as an Elective subject by the UGC---which itself > proves > > > > > that " Vedic astrology " is anti-Vedic and the more one encourages > > > it > > > > > the more one will be the loser in the ultimate analsysis! > > > > > Moral of the story, " You do not need enemies to ruin you if you > > > > > have 'Vedic astrologers' to advise/guide you! > > > > > Regards, > > > > > AKK > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > HinduCalendar > <HinduCalendar%40>, > > > vavamenon <vavamenon@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > If the prediction was done when Obama and McCain announced > their > > > > > candidacy /candidature (I do not know what is the exact english > > > > > word), then we could discover who is the right astrologist. > > > > > > > > > > > > Whatever predictions done one or two days before the election > > > would > > > > > not be scientific because the undecided voters when voting > select > > > the > > > > > popular candidate and in this case, it is Obama. > > > > > > > > > > > > I can also predict that Barak Obama would win which is my gut > > > > > feeling ! > > > > > > > > > > > > vm > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Sun, 11/2/08, Pathmarajah Nagalingam <beastmy@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Pathmarajah Nagalingam <beastmy@> > > > > > > [HinduCalendar] Last Call > > > > > > HinduCalendar > <HinduCalendar%40> > > > > > > Sunday, November 2, 2008, 7:27 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Last call to astrologers to make their claim whether McCain or > > > Obama > > > > > > will win! > > > > > > > > > > > > McCain is Magha and Osama is Pooradum nakshatra. > > > > > > > > > > > > Pathma > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- End forwarded message --- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 8, 2008 Report Share Posted November 8, 2008 Thanks for the message Sanat ji,your 2nd Para explains the " blind men & elephant story of indostan " in astrological language.thankshttp://www.wordinfo.info/Blind-Men-and-Elephant-crop.html with metta,On Sat, Nov 8, 2008 at 11:33 PM, sanat2221 <sanatkumar_jain wrote: Resp. Nair ji, Namaskar, Thanks for sharing your views regarding some prediction. In this connection I will just like to say that your contention is wrong that every astrologer has predicted about the winning of Mr. Obama. Many astrologers have predicted about his defeat too. Thus main question is that why many astrologers are wrong. We have to find out the reasons. I do not know about your skill in astrology but I presume that you may have gone through at least 2-3 books on astrology. Have you ever seen any principle by which it can be predicted that one will win in election with so and so combination of planets or aspect or dasha etc. Certainly not, you can find that so and so placement of planet is good or bad, so and so combination is good or bad, so and so aspect is good or bad, exalted is good, debilitated is bad (it may also be good), so and so dasha is good or bad and so on. Thus if you go on apply every principle, then what you will find a mixture of good and bad prediction. Now how any astrologer can say that X number of good result will prevail over Y number of bad result or vise versa. Because every astrologer is applying different set of principles for arriving on some conclusion. There is not a single principle in any scripture which says that so and so principle will over ride other principles. Thus any prediction concluded by any astrologer (not only for election but for every sort of prediction) is merely a mindset of astrologer, on the basis of present situation of the client and it is not based on some astrological findings. Thus again we came to our main question of the forum as to what was the procedure for formulating the principles. This much I can assure you that not a single principle was formulated with some divine power but every principle `was' correct and logical in view of the then science and every principle `is' wrong and illogical in view of present scientific knowledge. Remember nothing is personal and it is only academic discussion. I hope members will offer their comments. Yours truly, Sanat PS : Ms Dipikaji your msg regarding blind man is good. Hope members will understand. , " prashanthnair999 " <prashanthnair999 wrote: > > > > > dipika ji > > Namasakr , > > > > but what shud b taken ?? > > > > it was the first prediction on net by this duo on US elections and they > never changed a sentance later ,when i serched all forums and even > google it and pls think who got real nerv to predict a black becoming > prez .they must b cracks ,if u see the history of US and those days > MS.hillary was at her best too . > > > > regrds prashanth . > > > > > > > , " dipika blr " > <blr.aspirant@> wrote: > > > > very well put, Avtar ji. > > > > A hundred guys all astrologers predicting the future, one of them > eventually > > turns out right. The public memory is selective remebers the lone > success > > forgetting the many failures. > > > > Reminds us of the " blind men and the elephant " fable. > > > > Thanks. > > > > *Buddha* is someone who finds freedom in good fortune and bad. > > ~Bodhidharma. > > > > > > The Blind Men and the Elephant by John Godfrey Saxe (1816-1887) > > > > American poet John Godfrey Saxe (1816-1887) based this poem, on a > fable that > > was told in India many years ago. It is a good warning about how our > sensory > > perceptions can lead to some serious misinterpretations; especially > when the > > investigations of the component parts of a whole, and their relations > in > > making up the whole, are inadequate and lack co-ordination. > > > > > > > > It was six men of Indostan > > > > To learning much inclined, > > Who went to see the Elephant > > > > (Though all of them were blind), > > That each by observation > > > > Might satisfy his mind > > > > The First approached the Elephant, > > > > And happening to fall > > Against his broad and sturdy side, > > > > At once began to bawl: > > " God bless me! but the Elephant > > > > Is very like a wall! " > > [image: The first blind man of six blind men feels the side of the > elephant > > and interprets it as a wall.] > > > > The Second, feeling of the tusk, > > > > Cried, " Ho! what have we here > > So very round and smooth and sharp? > > > > To me 'tis mighty clear > > This wonder of an Elephant > > > > Is very like a spear! " > > [image: The second blind man of the six blind men feels an elephant > tusk and > > interprets the elephant to be like a spear.] > > > > The Third approached the animal, > > > > And happening to take > > The squirming trunk within his hands, > > > > Thus boldly up and spake: > > " I see, " quoth he, " the Elephant > > > > Is very like a snake! " > > [image: The third blind man of the six blind men touches the > elephant's > > trunk and interprets it to be a snake.] > > > > The Fourth reached out an eager hand, > > > > And felt about the knee. > > " What most this wondrous beast is like > > > > Is mighty plain, " quoth he; > > " 'Tis clear enough the Elephant > > > > Is very like a tree! " > > [image: The fourth blind man of the six blind men touches the > elephant's leg > > and mentally visualizes it to be a tree.] > > > > The Fifth, who chanced to touch the ear, > > > > Said: " E'en the blindest man > > Can tell what this resembles most; > > > > Deny the fact who can > > This marvel of an Elephant > > > > Is very like a fan! " > > [image: The fifth blind man of the six blind men touches the > elephant's ear > > and imagines it to be a fan.] > > > > The Sixth no sooner had begun > > > > About the beast to grope, > > Than, seizing on the swinging tail > > > > That fell within his scope, > > " I see, " quoth he, " the Elephant > > > > Is very like a rope! " > > [image: The sixth blind man of the six blind men touches the > elephant's tail > > and interprets it to be a rope.] > > > > And so these men of Indostan > > > > Disputed loud and long, > > Each in his own opinion > > > > Exceeding stiff and strong, > > Though each was partly in the right, > > > > And all were in the wrong! > > > > *Moral:* > > > > *So oft in theologic wars, * > > > > *The disputants, I ween,* > > * Rail on in utter ignorance * > > > > *Of what each other mean,* > > * And prate about an Elephant * > > > > *Not one of them has actually seen!* > > courtesy: http://www.wordinfo.info/Blind-Men-and-Elephant- crop.html > > > > > > On Wed, Nov 5, 2008 at 12:30 PM, Avtar Krishen Kaul > jyotirved: > > > > > Dear Shri Prashanth Nairji, > > > Namaskar! > > > <see this Links > > > /message/15464 > > > > /message/15464> > > > /message/7561? > > > thre\... " > > > I am not a member of that forum though Shri Sreenadh invited me a > > > couple of times. My experience in that forum has been that the > > > members of that forum jump at the throat of anyone who does not toe > > > their line! > > > > > > Regarding Obama being judged as the winning candidate by some > > > Nirayana-walas, I remember that Shri Narasimha P V R Rao, the owner > > > of " Vedic-astrology " and the organizer of SJH > > > astrological school and also the " creator " of the SJH software > > > had " declared " unquivocally that McCain would win! He also uses > > > Lahiri Ayanamsha! He had also done a thorough analysis of both the > > > charts i.e. of Obama and McCain! > > > > > > Then it can be clear to anybody that if Shri Obama is running Maha- > > > dasha-antar-dasha of planets A and B respectively on November 4/5, > > > 2008 as per Lahiri Ayanamsha, he will be running Mahadasha of > planets > > > C & D on the same date as per Chandra Hari Ayanamsha and planets G & > > > H as per Yuktweshar Ayanamsha and planets I & J as per Grahalaghava > > > Ayanamsha---the halmark of Hindu astrology till a few decades back! > > > Same will be the case with all the Jaimini Karakas like Atma, Dara > > > etc. etc., besides Dashamsha, Navamsha etc. etc., hoping, against > > > hope, that the position of planets in the Rashichakra remains the > > > same irrespective of different ayanamshas! > > > And as any tyro in jyotisha must know, if Ayanamsha A is correct all > > > the other Ayanamshas are wrong! But what that Ayanamsha A is, can be > > > anybody's guess, since Ayanamsha is actualy a myth created by > > > jyotishis and for jyotishis, the most deleterious effect of which is > > > that we are celebrating all our festivals and muhurtas on wrong > days-- > > > -thanks to nirayana and nirayanawalas! > > > As such, if some prediction by some jyotishis has proved correct, it > > > is just a matter of chance, rather than establishing any credentials > > > of " Vedic astrology " . > > > > > > With regards, > > > A K Kaul > > > > > > PS > > > Pl. do not construe that I am advoating a so called sayana > > > Rashichakra---since there are no Rashis in the Vedas and as such, to > > > call them Sayana or nirayana etc. is meaningless! > > > AKK > > > > > > --- In > <% 40>\ > , > > > " prashanthnair999 " > > > prashanthnair999@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dear kaul ji > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > see this Link s > > > > > /message/15464 > > > > > > > > </message/15464> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > /message/7561? > > > thre\ > > > > aded=1 & l=1 > > > > > > > > </message/7561? > > > thr\ > > > > > > > eaded=1 & l=1> > > > > > > > > (Wed Feb 6, 2008 10:15 am ) > > > > > > > > Dear Members, > > > > > > > > Myself & Mr. Sunil Nair were discussing the hororscopes of > Democrat > > > > nominees and compared both horoscopes.....assuming the current > > > internet > > > > data of their birth data is correct, it was interesting to observe > > > Mr. > > > > Obama is running currently 3HL & 6HL debilitated Jupiter, but > > > exalted in > > > > amsa, having a amsa sambadha with Moon i.e. navamsha having Gaj > > > Kesari > > > > Yoga. > > > > > > > > Mr. Obama, 4-Aug-1961, 13:06 hrs, Honolulu, Haiwaiin Islands { > Libra > > > > Lagna} > > > > > > > > Ms. Hillary Clinton, 26-Oct-1947, 20:05hrs, Chicago > > > > > > > > Cast the horoscopes and you will interesting yogas in the Mr. > > > Obama's > > > > chart. Given the choice of Experience Vs. Change, make your own > > > > selection based on the astro combinations .... for it is very sure > > > that > > > > whoever is going to win the Democrats nomination, would end up at > > > White > > > > House. > > > > > > > > We concluded Mr. Obama hororscopes is strong enough and all > > > probability > > > > for his election winning...... > > > > > > > > Few issues that we seriously debilitated is - > > > > > > > > 1) Deb. Jupiter in natal,exalted in navamsa { will it give > positive > > > > results ??} > > > > > > > > 2) 3HL & 6HL Jupiter in Libra Lagna { will it deliver ??} > > > > > > > > 3) Dasha of Jupiter-Venus periods { will Jupiter Prevail over > Venus > > > > inspite of above (1) & (2)} > > > > > > > > 4) 4HL Saturn Vargottam {will it elevate him to White House} > > > > > > > > By any standards, it appears to be a very close call, by the USA > > > > electorate. > > > > > > > > With regards, > > > > > > > > Sreeram_Srinivas > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Wed Feb 6, 2008 10:15 am ( means even b4 primaries and nomination > > > they > > > > hav predicted ) > > > > > > > > all the other VP candidates also later days only came up . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regrds Prashanth > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > <% 40>\ > , > > > " Avtar Krishen Kaul " > > > > <jyotirved@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > HinduCalendar > <HinduCalendar%40>, > > > " Avtar Krishen Kaul " > > > > > a_krishen@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Shri I Menonji, > > > > > Namaskar! > > > > > <If the prediction was done when Obama and McCain announced > their > > > > > candidacy /candidature (I do not know what is the exact english > > > > > word), then we could discover who is the right astrologist.> > > > > > > > > > > I recall that several years back, in Tamilnadu, all the 49 > > > aspiring > > > > > members of Parliament of AIADMK, including its supremo, Dr. J. > > > > > Jayalalitha, had filed their nomination papers simultaneously--- > > > at > > > > > one and the same date and time and place---as per the advice of > > > > > the " most famous Vedic astrologer " of J Jayalalitha! And for the > > > > > first time in the hisotry of AIADMK, not a single member, > > > including > > > > > the superemo herself, was returned to the Parliament--- thanks to > > > > > the " special muhurta " by " special Vedic astrologer " . > > > > > Then not in the distant past also, Messrs A B Vajpayee and > Company > > > > > lost their cherished throne by advancing the elections at the > > > advice > > > > > of " Minister of Vedic astrology " . Ironically, the " Minister " > > > himself > > > > > lost his seat though he had done all the yajnyas and Sahata- > > > Chandis > > > > > and what not! Maybe he lost because he had got " Vedic astrology " > > > > > prescribed as an Elective subject by the UGC---which itself > proves > > > > > that " Vedic astrology " is anti-Vedic and the more one encourages > > > it > > > > > the more one will be the loser in the ultimate analsysis! > > > > > Moral of the story, " You do not need enemies to ruin you if you > > > > > have 'Vedic astrologers' to advise/guide you! > > > > > Regards, > > > > > AKK > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > HinduCalendar > <HinduCalendar%40>, > > > vavamenon <vavamenon@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > If the prediction was done when Obama and McCain announced > their > > > > > candidacy /candidature (I do not know what is the exact english > > > > > word), then we could discover who is the right astrologist. > > > > > > > > > > > > Whatever predictions done one or two days before the election > > > would > > > > > not be scientific because the undecided voters when voting > select > > > the > > > > > popular candidate and in this case, it is Obama. > > > > > > > > > > > > I can also predict that Barak Obama would win which is my gut > > > > > feeling ! > > > > > > > > > > > > vm > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Sun, 11/2/08, Pathmarajah Nagalingam <beastmy@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Pathmarajah Nagalingam <beastmy@> > > > > > > [HinduCalendar] Last Call > > > > > > HinduCalendar > <HinduCalendar%40> > > > > > > Sunday, November 2, 2008, 7:27 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Last call to astrologers to make their claim whether McCain or > > > Obama > > > > > > will win! > > > > > > > > > > > > McCain is Magha and Osama is Pooradum nakshatra. > > > > > > > > > > > > Pathma > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- End forwarded message --- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 8, 2008 Report Share Posted November 8, 2008 dipika ji thanks ,nice story but stale . is elephant was also blind ? Next time pls tell good stories frm kathasarith sagaram and pancha tantra ,indian folk tales etc we hav lot stories in it .Enough for ur life time use . Moral of this story --dont tell same story twice . rgrds Prashanth ps -- i blv here this grp for discussing some serious subjuct than story telling ,that also plagiarised indian stories or cock and bull stories , "dipika blr" <blr.aspirant wrote:>> Thanks for the message Sanat ji,> > your 2nd Para explains the "blind men & elephant story of indostan" in> astrological language.> > thanks> > http://www.wordinfo.info/Blind-Men-and-Elephant-crop.html> > with metta,> > On Sat, Nov 8, 2008 at 11:33 PM, sanat2221> sanatkumar_jainwrote:> > > Resp. Nair ji,> > Namaskar,> > Thanks for sharing your views regarding some prediction.> > In this connection I will just like to say that your contention is> > wrong that every astrologer has predicted about the winning of Mr.> > Obama. Many astrologers have predicted about his defeat too. Thus> > main question is that why many astrologers are wrong. We have to find> > out the reasons.> >> > I do not know about your skill in astrology but I presume that you> > may have gone through at least 2-3 books on astrology. Have you ever> > seen any principle by which it can be predicted that one will win in> > election with so and so combination of planets or aspect or dasha> > etc. Certainly not, you can find that so and so placement of planet> > is good or bad, so and so combination is good or bad, so and so> > aspect is good or bad, exalted is good, debilitated is bad (it may> > also be good), so and so dasha is good or bad and so on. Thus if you> > go on apply every principle, then what you will find a mixture of> > good and bad prediction. Now how any astrologer can say that X number> > of good result will prevail over Y number of bad result or vise> > versa. Because every astrologer is applying different set of> > principles for arriving on some conclusion. There is not a single> > principle in any scripture which says that so and so principle will> > over ride other principles. Thus any prediction concluded by any> > astrologer (not only for election but for every sort of prediction)> > is merely a mindset of astrologer, on the basis of present situation> > of the client and it is not based on some astrological findings.> >> > Thus again we came to our main question of the forum as to what was> > the procedure for formulating the principles. This much I can assure> > you that not a single principle was formulated with some divine power> > but every principle `was' correct and logical in view of the then> > science and every principle `is' wrong and illogical in view of> > present scientific knowledge.> >> > Remember nothing is personal and it is only academic discussion.> > I hope members will offer their comments.> >> > Yours truly,> > Sanat> >> > PS : Ms Dipikaji your msg regarding blind man is good. Hope members> > will understand.> >> > <%40>,> > "prashanthnair999"> > prashanthnair999@ wrote:> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > dipika ji> > >> > > Namasakr ,> > >> > >> > >> > > but what shud b taken ??> > >> > >> > >> > > it was the first prediction on net by this duo on US elections and> > they> > > never changed a sentance later ,when i serched all forums and> > even> > > google it and pls think who got real nerv to predict a black> > becoming> > > prez .they must b cracks ,if u see the history of US and those days> > > MS.hillary was at her best too .> > >> > >> > >> > > regrds prashanth .> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > <%40>,> > "dipika blr"> > > <blr.aspirant@> wrote:> > > >> > > > very well put, Avtar ji.> > > >> > > > A hundred guys all astrologers predicting the future, one of them> > > eventually> > > > turns out right. The public memory is selective remebers the lone> > > success> > > > forgetting the many failures.> > > >> > > > Reminds us of the "blind men and the elephant" fable.> > > >> > > > Thanks.> > > >> > > > *Buddha* is someone who finds freedom in good fortune and bad.> > > > ~Bodhidharma.> > > >> > > >> > > > The Blind Men and the Elephant by John Godfrey Saxe (1816-1887)> > > >> > > > American poet John Godfrey Saxe (1816-1887) based this poem, on a> > > fable that> > > > was told in India many years ago. It is a good warning about how> > our> > > sensory> > > > perceptions can lead to some serious misinterpretations;> > especially> > > when the> > > > investigations of the component parts of a whole, and their> > relations> > > in> > > > making up the whole, are inadequate and lack co-ordination.> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > It was six men of Indostan> > > >> > > > To learning much inclined,> > > > Who went to see the Elephant> > > >> > > > (Though all of them were blind),> > > > That each by observation> > > >> > > > Might satisfy his mind> > > >> > > > The First approached the Elephant,> > > >> > > > And happening to fall> > > > Against his broad and sturdy side,> > > >> > > > At once began to bawl:> > > > "God bless me! but the Elephant> > > >> > > > Is very like a wall!"> > > > [image: The first blind man of six blind men feels the side of the> > > elephant> > > > and interprets it as a wall.]> > > >> > > > The Second, feeling of the tusk,> > > >> > > > Cried, "Ho! what have we here> > > > So very round and smooth and sharp?> > > >> > > > To me 'tis mighty clear> > > > This wonder of an Elephant> > > >> > > > Is very like a spear!"> > > > [image: The second blind man of the six blind men feels an> > elephant> > > tusk and> > > > interprets the elephant to be like a spear.]> > > >> > > > The Third approached the animal,> > > >> > > > And happening to take> > > > The squirming trunk within his hands,> > > >> > > > Thus boldly up and spake:> > > > "I see," quoth he, "the Elephant> > > >> > > > Is very like a snake!"> > > > [image: The third blind man of the six blind men touches the> > > elephant's> > > > trunk and interprets it to be a snake.]> > > >> > > > The Fourth reached out an eager hand,> > > >> > > > And felt about the knee.> > > > "What most this wondrous beast is like> > > >> > > > Is mighty plain," quoth he;> > > > " 'Tis clear enough the Elephant> > > >> > > > Is very like a tree!"> > > > [image: The fourth blind man of the six blind men touches the> > > elephant's leg> > > > and mentally visualizes it to be a tree.]> > > >> > > > The Fifth, who chanced to touch the ear,> > > >> > > > Said: "E'en the blindest man> > > > Can tell what this resembles most;> > > >> > > > Deny the fact who can> > > > This marvel of an Elephant> > > >> > > > Is very like a fan!"> > > > [image: The fifth blind man of the six blind men touches the> > > elephant's ear> > > > and imagines it to be a fan.]> > > >> > > > The Sixth no sooner had begun> > > >> > > > About the beast to grope,> > > > Than, seizing on the swinging tail> > > >> > > > That fell within his scope,> > > > "I see," quoth he, "the Elephant> > > >> > > > Is very like a rope!"> > > > [image: The sixth blind man of the six blind men touches the> > > elephant's tail> > > > and interprets it to be a rope.]> > > >> > > > And so these men of Indostan> > > >> > > > Disputed loud and long,> > > > Each in his own opinion> > > >> > > > Exceeding stiff and strong,> > > > Though each was partly in the right,> > > >> > > > And all were in the wrong!> > > >> > > > *Moral:*> > > >> > > > *So oft in theologic wars, *> > > >> > > > *The disputants, I ween,*> > > > * Rail on in utter ignorance *> > > >> > > > *Of what each other mean,*> > > > * And prate about an Elephant *> > > >> > > > *Not one of them has actually seen!*> > > > courtesy: http://www.wordinfo.info/Blind-Men-and-Elephant-> > crop.html> > > >> > > >> > > > On Wed, Nov 5, 2008 at 12:30 PM, Avtar Krishen Kaul> > > jyotirved@:> >> > > >> > > > > Dear Shri Prashanth Nairji,> > > > > Namaskar!> > > > > <see this Links> > > > >> > /message/15464> > > > >> > >> > /message/15464>> > > > >> > /message/7561?> > > > > thre\..."> > > > > I am not a member of that forum though Shri Sreenadh invited me> > a> > > > > couple of times. My experience in that forum has been that the> > > > > members of that forum jump at the throat of anyone who does not> > toe> > > > > their line!> > > > >> > > > > Regarding Obama being judged as the winning candidate by some> > > > > Nirayana-walas, I remember that Shri Narasimha P V R Rao, the> > owner> > > > > of "Vedic-astrology" and the organizer of SJH> > > > > astrological school and also the "creator" of the SJH software> > > > > had "declared" unquivocally that McCain would win! He also uses> > > > > Lahiri Ayanamsha! He had also done a thorough analysis of both> > the> > > > > charts i.e. of Obama and McCain!> > > > >> > > > > Then it can be clear to anybody that if Shri Obama is running> > Maha-> > > > > dasha-antar-dasha of planets A and B respectively on November> > 4/5,> > > > > 2008 as per Lahiri Ayanamsha, he will be running Mahadasha of> > > planets> > > > > C & D on the same date as per Chandra Hari Ayanamsha and> > planets G & > > > > > H as per Yuktweshar Ayanamsha and planets I & J as per> > Grahalaghava> > > > > Ayanamsha---the halmark of Hindu astrology till a few decades> > back!> > > > > Same will be the case with all the Jaimini Karakas like Atma,> > Dara> > > > > etc. etc., besides Dashamsha, Navamsha etc. etc., hoping,> > against> > > > > hope, that the position of planets in the Rashichakra remains> > the> > > > > same irrespective of different ayanamshas!> > > > > And as any tyro in jyotisha must know, if Ayanamsha A is> > correct all> > > > > the other Ayanamshas are wrong! But what that Ayanamsha A is,> > can be> > > > > anybody's guess, since Ayanamsha is actualy a myth created by> > > > > jyotishis and for jyotishis, the most deleterious effect of> > which is> > > > > that we are celebrating all our festivals and muhurtas on wrong> > > days--> > > > > -thanks to nirayana and nirayanawalas!> > > > > As such, if some prediction by some jyotishis has proved> > correct, it> > > > > is just a matter of chance, rather than establishing any> > credentials> > > > > of "Vedic astrology".> > > > >> > > > > With regards,> > > > > A K Kaul> > > > >> > > > > PS> > > > > Pl. do not construe that I am advoating a so called sayana> > > > > Rashichakra---since there are no Rashis in the Vedas and as> > such, to> > > > > call them Sayana or nirayana etc. is meaningless!> > > > > AKK> > > > >> > > > > --- In> > > <%40>> > <%> > 40>\> > > ,> > > > > "prashanthnair999"> > > > > prashanthnair999@ wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > dear kaul ji> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > see this Link s> > > > > >> > > /message/15464> > > > > >> > > > >> > >> > </message/15464>> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > /message/7561?> > > > > thre\> > > > > > aded=1 & l=1> > > > > >> > > > >> > >> > </message/7561?> > > > > thr\> > > > >> > > > > > eaded=1 & l=1>> > > > > >> > > > > > (Wed Feb 6, 2008 10:15 am )> > > > > >> > > > > > Dear Members,> > > > > >> > > > > > Myself & Mr. Sunil Nair were discussing the hororscopes of> > > Democrat> > > > > > nominees and compared both horoscopes.....assuming the current> > > > > internet> > > > > > data of their birth data is correct, it was interesting to> > observe> > > > > Mr.> > > > > > Obama is running currently 3HL & 6HL debilitated Jupiter, but> > > > > exalted in> > > > > > amsa, having a amsa sambadha with Moon i.e. navamsha having> > Gaj> > > > > Kesari> > > > > > Yoga.> > > > > >> > > > > > Mr. Obama, 4-Aug-1961, 13:06 hrs, Honolulu, Haiwaiin Islands {> > > Libra> > > > > > Lagna}> > > > > >> > > > > > Ms. Hillary Clinton, 26-Oct-1947, 20:05hrs, Chicago> > > > > >> > > > > > Cast the horoscopes and you will interesting yogas in the Mr.> > > > > Obama's> > > > > > chart. Given the choice of Experience Vs. Change, make your> > own> > > > > > selection based on the astro combinations .... for it is very> > sure> > > > > that> > > > > > whoever is going to win the Democrats nomination, would end> > up at> > > > > White> > > > > > House.> > > > > >> > > > > > We concluded Mr. Obama hororscopes is strong enough and all> > > > > probability> > > > > > for his election winning......> > > > > >> > > > > > Few issues that we seriously debilitated is -> > > > > >> > > > > > 1) Deb. Jupiter in natal,exalted in navamsa { will it give> > > positive> > > > > > results ??}> > > > > >> > > > > > 2) 3HL & 6HL Jupiter in Libra Lagna { will it deliver ??}> > > > > >> > > > > > 3) Dasha of Jupiter-Venus periods { will Jupiter Prevail over> > > Venus> > > > > > inspite of above (1) & (2)}> > > > > >> > > > > > 4) 4HL Saturn Vargottam {will it elevate him to White House}> > > > > >> > > > > > By any standards, it appears to be a very close call, by the> > USA> > > > > > electorate.> > > > > >> > > > > > With regards,> > > > > >> > > > > > Sreeram_Srinivas> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > Wed Feb 6, 2008 10:15 am ( means even b4 primaries and> > nomination> > > > > they> > > > > > hav predicted )> > > > > >> > > > > > all the other VP candidates also later days only came up .> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > regrds Prashanth> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > --- In> > > <%40>> > <%> > 40>\> > > ,> > > > > "Avtar Krishen Kaul"> > > > > > <jyotirved@> wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > > HinduCalendar <HinduCalendar%40>> > > <HinduCalendar%40>,> > > > > "Avtar Krishen Kaul"> > > > > > > a_krishen@ wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Shri I Menonji,> > > > > > > Namaskar!> > > > > > > <If the prediction was done when Obama and McCain announced> > > their> > > > > > > candidacy /candidature (I do not know what is the exact> > english> > > > > > > word), then we could discover who is the right astrologist.>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > I recall that several years back, in Tamilnadu, all the 49> > > > > aspiring> > > > > > > members of Parliament of AIADMK, including its supremo, Dr.> > J.> > > > > > > Jayalalitha, had filed their nomination papers> > simultaneously---> > > > > at> > > > > > > one and the same date and time and place---as per the> > advice of> > > > > > > the "most famous Vedic astrologer" of J Jayalalitha! And> > for the> > > > > > > first time in the hisotry of AIADMK, not a single member,> > > > > including> > > > > > > the superemo herself, was returned to the Parliament---> > thanks to> > > > > > > the "special muhurta" by "special Vedic astrologer".> > > > > > > Then not in the distant past also, Messrs A B Vajpayee and> > > Company> > > > > > > lost their cherished throne by advancing the elections at> > the> > > > > advice> > > > > > > of "Minister of Vedic astrology". Ironically, the "Minister"> > > > > himself> > > > > > > lost his seat though he had done all the yajnyas and Sahata-> > > > > Chandis> > > > > > > and what not! Maybe he lost because he had got "Vedic> > astrology"> > > > > > > prescribed as an Elective subject by the UGC---which itself> > > proves> > > > > > > that "Vedic astrology" is anti-Vedic and the more one> > encourages> > > > > it> > > > > > > the more one will be the loser in the ultimate analsysis!> > > > > > > Moral of the story, "You do not need enemies to ruin you if> > you> > > > > > > have 'Vedic astrologers' to advise/guide you!> > > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > > AKK> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > HinduCalendar <HinduCalendar%40>> > > <HinduCalendar%40>,> > > > > vavamenon <vavamenon@>> > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > If the prediction was done when Obama and McCain announced> > > their> > > > > > > candidacy /candidature (I do not know what is the exact> > english> > > > > > > word), then we could discover who is the right astrologist.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Whatever predictions done one or two days before the> > election> > > > > would> > > > > > > not be scientific because the undecided voters when voting> > > select> > > > > the> > > > > > > popular candidate and in this case, it is Obama.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > I can also predict that Barak Obama would win which is my> > gut> > > > > > > feeling !> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > vm> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > --- On Sun, 11/2/08, Pathmarajah Nagalingam <beastmy@>> > wrote:> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Pathmarajah Nagalingam <beastmy@>> > > > > > > > [HinduCalendar] Last Call> > > > > > > > HinduCalendar <HinduCalendar%40>> > > <HinduCalendar%40>> > > > > > > > Sunday, November 2, 2008, 7:27 PM> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Last call to astrologers to make their claim whether> > McCain or> > > > > Obama> > > > > > > > will win!> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > McCain is Magha and Osama is Pooradum nakshatra.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Pathma> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > --- End forwarded message ---> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> >> > > >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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