Clerification

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Respected Jagdisan Ji, Bhaskar ji and members,

Namaskar,

I hope episode of Sh Bhaskar ji Vs Ms Dipika ji may be over, and both

will look forward with +ve attitude after their msg. below this msg.

I think I must not intervene now.

 

Now I am taking the problem of Sh. Jagdisan Ji, and reproducing my

last msg to him dated 17-7-08.

 

++++++++++

Thanks for your msg., after a long time. Previously you were writing

some msgs. on which I was offering my opinion on every point. But

suddenly you have stopped writing when I request you to be polite in

language specially when we are addressing some woman. I think it is

not a mud slinging as it is general courtsy. So how can Dipika be my

stooge?

Now I take your pointwise allegation.

>>>>>>> I was mislead by the name of the forum to believe that there

is truely some scientific research going on. Later on I found out

that the only aim of this group is to call astrologers to participate

and then do mud slinging on them and degrade them.<<<<<<<

Please quote some of my reply when I do mud slinging on a

participating astrologer. I think discussion and putting our views,

raising question is not a mud slinging. Discussion is our long

tradition and it was known as shastrath, and final opinion after

prolong shashtrath was adopted. This forum is meant for shastrath and

there after it is up to the members to adopt what they want. For this

I am regularly compiling SOA_____ files comprising the views of

participants along with my views. Thus views of astrologers are being

included for the benefit of the members to take a queue instead of

dumping the msg. So far name of the forum is concerned, we are here

to find the truth that is science behind astrology, if it is at all,

and not for finding the baseless support for on going astrology

(without proper discussion), just due to faith. As faith has nothing

to do with truth or science. So how you can draw a reference that I

am doing mud slinging. Main point is this (I am sorry to say and it

is not for any particular member) that so called astrologers do not

have sufficient in depth study of history, religion, development /

interaction of civilization and so on except faith or tradition

that's why they are not able to defend their stand. That's why

astrologers (who may be member in the forum) are not replying on any

pointed question such that

Who decided sign and how.

What is Rahu.

How principles were formulated ……….. and so on

So I will be the last person for mud slinging but of course I will

like discussion. That's why I am writing time and again that " nothing

is personal and it is only academic discussion. " . In view of above

clarification I think your opinion is base-less, and if not then

please come forward with specific points.

>>>>>>> To instigate them and then make fun of them.<<<<<<<

In which msg I was making the fun of so called astrologers, please

intimate.

>>>>>> also degrade great Rishis and Hinduism.<<<<< Please intimate

when. Again analysis of any concept is not degradation. Actually

supporters of astrologers are doing degradation of Rishi and

Hinduism. (Please refer the msg Vedic astrology " – the greatest fraud

on the Vedas " of our new and learned member Sh. Kaul. I am not

producing the paras and let member discuss that msg independently,

including you).

 

You have advised to Sh Pathi for not writing the msg. Thus you are

actually loosing an opportunity for intimating about your truth or

you have fear that your so called truth will not stand in the fire of

discussion. So it is always your right to act according to your

views. But it is right that I am not befooling any body or just tell

any msg when I have done so, like many many astrologers who are not

only befooling but exploiting the innocence of their client by making

tall claims (at least not in this forum).

 

Actually we have discussed nothing about the predictive astrology

except clearing our positions. Thus we are far away from the aim of

the forum. I hope and request let us discuss some astrology instead

of bypassing the point of discussion, which is only an escape route

for astrologers. Why are you worried about the failure of principles

of predictive astrology (if it is so) because you have not formulated

them. So sharpen your mind and come forward with reply on various

points grouped in SOA_______ files or on my blog.

 

Thanks for your valuable time

Remember nothing is personal and it is only academic discussion.

+++++++++++++

 

I am waiting since then for your reply on any point instead of

throwing some arguments here and there or taking shelter under

imaginary roof. Because it requires lot of energy and time to write a

msg. So we must neither waste our time nor detract from our main

issue. Because we are interacting in a forum hence every member has

right to share his views. A member has to find a solid portion of the

msg on which one may continue, instead of observing silence. Even a

member (even Sh Jagdisan ji or others) can interact on my email if he

do not want to share his views in the forum.

 

I am asking since long as to how astrological principles were

formulated, because in science we know procedure of every thing. Thus

if you (astrologers) are claiming that astrology is science then

astrologer must have answer as to how astrological principles were

formulated. I have raised some questions in my msg1 (Astrology a

science or myth) and also some points have been included in SOA………….

Files (file section) alongwith the views of astrologers. I am not

throwing their view in dustbin or dumping in the pile of msg. But

when you have no specific answer for specific question except your

faith (blind faith) then what I can do. Every faith (in predictive

astrology) without logic is blind faith. But at least new generation

must know both point of views. Let them decide what they want.

Instead of just befooling them and exploiting them in the coverup of

Science or Ved. If it is science and Vedic then astrologer must clear

this point. I am very open and I will preserve your views in SOA

files for guidance of new generation. But if you observe silence or

quit the forum. Then you are admitting your weakness. I have asked

you

 

Who decided sign and how. What is Rahu. How principles were

formulated ……….. and so on. But since then not a single astrologer is

answering such a small question. It shows their ignorance for which

members (new generation) must know as to how astrologers are

exploiting without knowing anything.

 

I will like to inform the astrologers that if they do not know about

any thing then it is not a fault. They can read, they can ask in

other forums, they can ask their personal friends, astrologers and so

on, but throwing a question is not going to improve their knowledge

and they can only earn money (or false reputation) as is being done

by astrologers not only in this forum but in every forum. Just think

there are 100 forums and every forum has average 5 astrologers with

their own 10 principles (acquired by their experience) but I am

repeatedly asking to intimate me a single principle, which is correct

in their opinion for further analysis. But out of 100*5*10 = 5000

principles I am not able to find a single principle not only in forum

but also in my association with astrology for +35 years. So innocent

members can understood about the tactics being adopted by the

astrologers. I can sum up top 10 astrologers principles (though more

can be extracted) on the basis of interaction in this forum.

 

1 continuously claim that astrology (predictive) is science, but

never follow science.

2 continuously claim that astrology is vedic though there is no

predictive principle in Ved. And even Arya Samaj (true follower of

Ved) deny that there is no connection of Ved with astrology.

3 Never indulge in any discussion otherwise it is harmful to their

business.

4 Always try to divert the point of discussion towards religion,

faith towards sages and so on.

5 If you are cornered then either use abusive or filthy language or

observe silence or quit the forum.

6 Do not allow any member in any forum who can ask some deep routed

question to destroy your image in the forum.

7 Continue to claim that my forecast is 80% correct. But never allow

any one to analyze the principle.

8 Never keep your mind open to learn some thing new, which may be

against your mindset but harp on the same string or

9 Never face any experiment or challenge by scientist for the

verification of principles.

10 Always create a crowd of innocent persons (who have no time to

understand this whole circus) in the form of personal client or

member of forum or reader of magazine, for popular image by spreading

a word that any one who raise question is degrading religion, culture

and so on.

 

I hope atleast astrologers / members of this forum will remain within

the framework of analyzing astrological principles to know the

science behind them (if any), which is the name of the forum, instead

of diverting the issue in personal matters or here and there. So many

questions are pending hence any member can pick up any point for

interaction. His views will be preserved in SOA……….. files. Remember

this is the only forum, which is analyzing the principles and any

member who quits the forum is going to fall in a trap of astrologer.

Whereas I am repeatedly asking them to improve knowledge, logic,

scientific aptitude and self confidence associated with hard work and

containment. Remember I am not going to earn any thing from such

advise.

 

Above msg is only academic and not against any member.

 

Thanks

 

Yours truly,

Sanat

27-10-8

 

 

 

 

Re: THE TRUTH ABOUT DIPIKA BANGALORE

Posted by: " Jagadisan Ravichandran " jnravi jnravi

Sat Oct 25, 2008 1:56 am (PDT)

I have been a member with this group for a long time. When I started

I encountered similar problem from dipikablr, and I stopped taking

any active part. I became a silent member since then.

 

Congratulations to dipikablr for disrobing and revealing what is

inside that person " dipika "

 

Thank u very much Bhaskarji, for helping the truth to come out.

 

Ravichandran J N

Posted by: " Bhaskar " bhaskar_jyotish bhaskar_jyotish

Sat Oct 25, 2008 2:45 am (PDT)

I have many more such truths about many so-called respectable

astrologers and personalities parading on these forums. I myself do

not

have any image to hold up to, for am clear inside my heart , so have

no

fear from anyone whatsoever. But I open their masks only when

provoked .

 

I do not like using filthy language, and only use so when provoked,

and

I apologise to Sanathji for having used some hard words in my mails

addressed to him. But I really got hurt, when he reprimanded me, and

did

not reprimand Dipika. I am always available for a senseful arguments

and

dialouges in jyotish, but again slandering one sidedly does not appeal

to me, and do not like wasting my times with a rigid closed

pre-conditioned and pre-assumed and pre-decided mind which cannot see

other angles or approaches to any avenue.

 

I also am no saint and also use derogatory language at times, but only

when a person invites this, and for one who does not understand the

meaning of reason, but only understands the language of a whip.

 

Thank you for being bold enough to put your views here.

 

regards,

 

Bhaskar.

 

Posted by: " dipika blr " blr.aspirant blraspirant

Sat Oct 25, 2008 5:48 am (PDT)

I have received the same message from the person who sent you that

email-->

 

My email stands as blr.aspirant and not dips.aspirant as mentioned in

the

email.

 

Bhaskar ji, Why don't you confirm the email address with the group if

you

are interested in the truth.

 

regards

 

" Do not believe in anything simply because you have heard it. Do not

believe

in anything simply because it is spoken and rumored by many. Do not

believe

in anything simply because it is found written in your religious

books. Do

not believe in anything merely on the autToo many of co-incidences

are there for one to doubt anything. And

anyway i am not interested in this affair or the proceedings of this

case. You have also not revealed your true identity.

 

Please keep me away from this filth. You tried to tarnish my name,

though I dont know you, there can be no excuses now, to make any

sense.

 

Bhaskar.

Posted by: " dipika blr " blr.aspirant blraspirant

Sat Oct 25, 2008 1:21 pm (PDT)

hority of your teachers and elders.

Do not believe in traditions because they have been handed down for

many

generations. But after observation and analysis, when you find that

anything

agrees with reason and is conducive to the good and benefit of one

and all,

then accept it and live up to it. "

Buddha<http://thinkexist.com/quotes/buddha/>

Posted by: " Bhaskar " bhaskar_jyotish bhaskar_jyotish

Sat Oct 25, 2008 6:37 am (PDT)

 

A brahmin once asked The Blessed One:

" Are you a God? "

" No, brahmin " said The Blessed One.

" Are you a saint? "

" No, brahmin " said The Blessed One.

" Are you a magician? "

" No, brahmin " said The Blessed One.

" What are you then? "

" I am awake. "