Guest guest Posted October 24, 2008 Report Share Posted October 24, 2008 Dear Sendil and members, Namaskar, Thanks for your msg. I welcome you and all other new members in the forum. I think you have some wrong notion about the forum. Hence I am clarifying the position. This forum is meant for discussion and learning on various astrological principles to ascertain as to whether they have some scientific support or are they vedic as is being publicized by the astrologers to exploit the innocent public. If you will go through SOA_____ files in file section, msg 1 and other msgs then you will find that we are discussing with the astrologers on various points with their stand. So every one has to support his stand. Only then innocent members and new generation can learn about the so called knowledge of the astrologers and logic behind some principles. Thus this is the only forum which is open to all for academic discussion on predictive astrology without any moderation to disallow opposite views. So far not a single astrologer is able to support his stand. They are more interested in their business in the coverup of science or ved. They themselves are not clear about the Karm theory or prediction or remedy circus. Thus you can learn about the bogus foundation of astrology and can improve your self confidence. We are not going to promote our business if members like you may came to know about the bogus astrology. So try to read and then comment. Yes, If you are supporter of astrology and have some logic to support your stand then you can pick up any point (msg1, soa files or other msg) and enlighten members with your knowledge. Thanks, Yours truly, Sanat , sendil kumar <kpsendilkumar wrote: > > Dear M. Varma, > > What are you trying to prove? Is it that your knowledge on Astrology, Astronomy, and Vedas superior to anyone else living/lived in the universe? > > Being a member of this group and the universe, I acknowledge that you have (if Mr. Kaul also wishes the same, he has) the supreme knowledge in the fields of Astrology, Astronomy, Vedas and all existed/existing/to be invented sciences. > > I humbly request all those who are participating in this kind of debate to stop it at once. > > I also request all the member of this club to acknowledge that Mr. Varma, Mr. Kaul, and all those who want to be acknowledged, have the supreme knowledge on all the said fields. > > Thanks and regards, > Sendil > > > > > maheswara_varma <maheswara_varma > > Wednesday, October 22, 2008 8:00:00 PM > Re: kaul Ji s Own words zodiacal signs in bhagavatham > > > Kaul ji > Thank for admitting ur mistakes ,u asked only rasies .My problem was how to re produce it in mail by typing quoting whatever i see frm purana s all this days .Now u solved my problems . > > I discussed some ppl and they were offerring help ,but this sudden finding s almost solved my pain . > > Now pls dont ask same question ,in ur fashion ,it is with a hidden purpose . > Now do u know atharva veda paristitha ( sorry i foget last word ) has astrology . > > now u claims diffrnt but u hav to answer me how they were usin and show it to world than destroying some system as in my opinion both sayana and nirayana systems were in india still using for diffrnt purposes but nirayana systems r used for predictiv purposes . > > even we were using diffrnt calenders for diffrnt purposes ,diffrnt months ,yrs etc . > > solar .lunar .jupiterian etc etc . Based on rituals . > > regrds M varma > > > > , " Avtar Krishen Kaul " <jyotirved@ .> wrote: > > > > Shri Maheswara Varmaji, > > Namakar! > > <kaul Ji's Own words zodiacal signs in bhagavatham> > > > > Glad that you have come to know that there are Mesha, Vrisha etc. > > Rashis in the Bhagavata Purana! > > For your information, I may repeat here that there are Mesha, Vrisha, > > Mithuna etc. rashis in almost all the eighteen puranas, but it appears > > you are unaware about the same! > > > > However, pl. note that the Pauranic Mesha, Vrisha etc. rashis are not > > the same as Lahiri or Ramana or Yukteswhara etc. Mesha, Vrisha etc. > > rashis which are being used for predictive gimmicks by " Vedic > > astrologers " (Sic!). > > The details of Pauranic rashis are: > > 1. Pauranic Mesha Sankranti - Known as Vedic Madhava/Vaishakha > > (Vernal Equinox ,March 21, when day=night). This is the real Vaishakhi > > and Meshadi instead of April 14 (Lahiri Mesha). > > 2. Pauranic Vrisha Sankranti - Known as Vedic Shukrah/Jyeshtha --- > > April 20 instead of May 14 (Lahiri Vrisha) > > 3. Pauranic Mithuna Sankranti--- known as Vedic Shuchih/Ashadha -- -May > > 20 instead of June 15 (Lahiri Mithuna) > > 4. Pauranic Karkata Sankanti --- known as Vedic > > Nabhah/Shravana- -Dakshinayana- -when the day is the longest--- June 21 > > instead of July 15 (Lahiri Karkata) > > 5. Pauranic Simha Sankranti--- known as Vedic Nabhasya/Bhadra- -- July 21 > > instead of August 15. This is also the real Malayalam New Year's Day > > i.e. Simhadi instead of Lahiri Malyalam New Year on August 14/15. > > 6. Pauranic Kanya Sankranti--- known as Vedic Isha/Ashvina- -- August 22 > > instead of September 15 (Lahiri Kanya) > > 7. Pauranic Tula Sankranti--- known as Vedic Urja/Kartika- -- Autumn > > Equinox---Hemant Sampat---when day and night are equal. Sepbtember 21 > > instead of October 15 (Lahiri Tula) > > 8. Pauranic Vrischika Sankranti--- known as Vedic > > Sahas/Margasheersha /Agrahayana. October 22, instead of November 15 > > (Lahiri Vrishchika) > > 9. Pauranic Dhanuh Sankranti--- --known as Vedic Sahasya/Pausha. > > November 21 instead of December 15 (Lahiri Dhanuh) This is the real > > Dhanurmas, which is supposed to be avoided for any auspicious activities. > > 10. Pauranic Makar Sankranti--- Uttarayana- ---when the day is the > > shortest---- -known as Vedic Tapas/Magha. This is the real world > > famous Makar Sankranti instead of the imaginary Lahiri Makar Sankranti > > of January 15. Dhanurmas ends on this date i.e. December 21. > > 11. Pauranic Kumbha Sankranti--- --known as Vedic Tapasya/Phalguna. > > Starts on January 21 (instead of Febuary 15---Lahiri Kumbha) > > 12. Pauranic Mina Sankranti--- -known as Vedic month Madhu/Chaitra. > > Starts on February 21. This is the start of real Kharamas instead of > > March 15.! This is the start of Vasant Ritu and the first New Moon > > after this date is the real Vasanti Nvratri, also known as Gudi- Padva, > > Ugadi etc. > > I HOPE YOU WILL START CELEBRATING FESTIVASL AND MUHURTAS NOW AS PER > > THE INJUNCTIONS OF DHARMASHATRAS INSTEAD OF THE DICTUM OF " ALMIGHTY " > > LAHIRI AND LAHIRIWALAS! > > You must also note that if there are any phalit jyotisha books by any > > Parashara etc.---which is actually an impossibility- --they also must > > be on the basis of the same Rashi-chakra, i.e. so called sayana, as > > detailed above, and not on the basis of Lahiri or Ramana or > > Chandra-Hari or Yukteshwar or Kharegat or Chopra etc. etc. ayanamshas! > > > > But pl. do bear in mind that there are no Mesha, Vrisha etc. Rashis in > > the Vedas, as such to say that the Vedas are talking of some nirayana > > Rashis is as meaningless as it is to say that they are referring to > > some Sayana Rashis. > > Dhanyavad. > > A K Kaul > > > > , " maheswara_varma " > > maheswara_varma@ wrote: > > > > > > You have referred to Srimad Bhagavata. Have your read it yourself > > > > > or has some " mentor " just handed over some chit of paper which had > > > > > the shloka of " jotisham ayanam… " translated in a wrong manner? > > > If > > > > > you have read it yourself, why have you overlooked (or did you > > > ignore > > > > > them deliberately? ) the following shlokas from fifth skanda, > > > chapter > > > > > 21, shlokas 3 to 5 (Gita Press edition translation) : > > > > > > > > > > " Placed at the centre of the sky, the glorious sun, the lord of the > > > > > luminaries, warms by its heat and illuminates by its light (all) the > > > > > three worlds. Coursing by slow, swift and regulated marches, known > > > > > by the names of Uttarayana (Winter Solstice), Dakshinayana (Summer > > > > > Solstice) and the Vishuvata (the two Equinoxes), and rising higher, > > > > > going down and taking a mean position whenever and wherever such > > > > > positions are inevitable, the sun, while passing through the signs > > > of > > > > > the zodiac from Makara (Capricorn) onwards lengthens the days while > > > > > shortening the nights and vice-versa and brings their duration on a > > > > > par. When the sun traverses the sign of Mesha (Aries)and Tula > > > (Libra) > > > > > the days and nights are of equal length and when it traverses the > > > > > five signs from Vrishabha onwards (viz. Vrihsabha, Mithuna, Karkata, > > > > > Simha and Kanya) days become longer and longer only while nights > > > > > become shorter by nearly half an hour every month. When the sun > > > > > traverses the five signs from Vrischika onwards viz. Vrischika, > > > > > Dhanus, Makara, Kumbha and Mina, days become shorter and nights > > > > > proportionately longer. Days grow in length till the sun takes to > > > > > the southward course and nights become longer and longer till it > > > > > takes a northward turn " . > > > > > > > > http://groups. / group/vedic- astrology/ message/106494 > > > <http://groups. / group/vedic- astrology/ message/106494> > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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