Guest guest Posted October 23, 2008 Report Share Posted October 23, 2008 Dear Sanatji I found your your article in Astrovion Feb2008 regarding Shakthi chakra. Have you developed any software to make that chart.? Is Chala chakra also of the same size? You mentioned a lot about KP too.So you must be much aware of KP system. I presume it is the simplest representation to go for prediction. With so much of complexity in Shathi chakra also one can predict only to the tune of 80 % is my perception. Or can you predict more than that? If so learning also is very hectic I suppose. However if one's mind is fixed on a way of life its too difficult get adjusted to any other way,like I am accustomed to KP way of prediction ,now mind thinks its too difficult to learn anything else. But the instinct says why not to learn. Thanks Regards tkp ghopal On 10/21/08, sanat2221 <sanatkumar_jain wrote: Dear Venkata ji,Namaskar,Thanks for your msg.I welcome you in the forum in response of my invitation. I am continuously inviting members, who may be interested in astrology for proper discussion with different views on astrology. You are a Vedic scholar; hence your views may also have some weight.To start our discussion I am just picking your views :>>>>>>> Vedic Astrology is a science but the Astrologers frauds.They are ignorant, commercialied and money m inded.As such they make wrong predictions.I am not a professional astrologer but I am a Astrologer.Astronomy is a science and Vedic astrology is based on Astronomy.<<<<<<<<<< So I will like to know as to why Vedic Astrology is science? Here I am taking astrology as predictive astrology and not astronomy (which is Vedic as well as scientific and human civilization is continuously learning in this direction). As you are astrologer and Vedic scholar too hence you can explain, in which ved / slok predictive astrology has been referred. You may be right in your statement that astrologers are ignorant, commercialized and money minded. As such they make wrong predictions. So will you please refer some predictive principle from Ved. By following that principle let us make some correct predictions using Ved without any commercial attitude or money. Hope to have a good interaction. For proper linking I am also changing the subject.ThanksYours truly,Sanat , venkata krishnan <bcvk71 wrote:>> Dear All,> I am a Vedic scholar, Historian, Mathematician, Writer and a Businessman by Profession.Vedic Astrology is a science but the Astrologers frauds.They are ignorant, commercialied and money m inded.As such they make wrong predictions.I am not a professional astrologer but I am a Astrologer.Astronomy is a science and Vedic astrology is based on Astronomy.The heavenley bodies have impact on terrestial human life.But one can over come the effects of Planets on the person which is based on ones Horoscope which was at the time of ones birth.The various Devas and Asuras mentioned in Vedas are Aliens to earth who visited earth frequently.They are Presiding Deities of various heavenly bodies .I guess there was a hitch in this group.I was invited to join this group by one Mr.Sanatkumar.Hence, I joined this group.I am a new member of this group.Whatever may be the cause of the hitch in this group,I request all the members to be friendly> mutually and avoid quarrelling.After all one must exchange knowledge with eachother.This is my personal request as a New member of this group.> Yours faithfully,> B.C.VENKATAKRISHNAN.> website: www.vedascience.com > > maheswara_varma <maheswara_varma> Re: Message to all> > Sunday, October 19, 2008, 2:11 PM> > > > > > > > dear sanat ji and group .> poor vijayaraghavan ,he thought this is a logical forum ,he mentioned everything but the moderaters r not for seeing the truth deliberately ,they r putting one science in shoes of other science .Or simply brushing aside with statements it is common or fluke or accidental like this (esp sri kaul ji ) .> > because the aim is diffrnt i also blv ,what ever points he raised is true and valid but his lack of time ( when i contcted him he also told me he cannot wait till end of the world ,as he told me they r simply passing time ).he posted diffrnt things even on futility of sri kaul's reserch and so called claims ,he also asked him to show his understanding of vedas .he even told he will explain everything later as it needs lot of time to explain all their questions ( as useless countering questions will also strt which happened in many others case ,as the main question is ,is astrology is usefull than is it is a science or myth or wheter we got frm greek or US ) ,so he made it a point to see collectively the results of all those rishi 's dictums ( all grp shud participate and he was not imposing any conditions other than this ) ,so first see results and then let us go to basics .As it is more easy for novice s who joined to know what is> astrology than going round the world with mutable/twistable answers .Then simply asking questions to prolongate the discussions .But once results r known then basics r easy to to exlain too .Then every one may not wait for answers too .> > he waited for 20 days to get a positiv reply or a effort to see in actual way .> then strted getting voilent as any man blvs in quality time will do .> > even he dont use any bad languge other than words fool or fraud which i think is true ,because when some one rejects all the worlds exprnces how can we act cooly .Fist of all where was quality discussion ( search of truth ) frm the moderaters side than repeating some pseudo intellectual points which is ready made too or twisting the points and giving answers for the queries he raised ,> > asking others to see or answer only in our way is not logic or scientific if some one wants to see the truth ( for exmple swami vivekanda and sri ramakrishna paramahamsa dailogues ) ,it is adamance ,unscientific and i think we can call those ppl with having some secret missions /agenda.> now if some one wants why this days it has happend (i mean why they faced this carpet bombing in this grp ) i will explain to u all in the lite of astro .> but write to me personaly . > > maheswara varma .> ps --I wrote this as my opinion and further discussion on this i may or may not participate depending on constructv approach raised by queriests .> also sri sanat ji -dont count on some one who posted a mail is a support for u ,any intelligent persons can see it is a way to flash his address and some future business ,pls ban all address or personal links which is self promoting in future communications in grp,if u r serious in ur approach ( again it is my suggestions only ) . > > , " sanat2221 " <sanatkumar_jain@ ...> wrote:> >> > Dear Ghopal Ji and members,> > Namaskar,> > Yes, episode is over. Actually I do not want to ban any member, > > otherwise very purpose of discussion is defeated. But after all we > > have to maintain some discipline. We all are educated and there are > > many lady members, senior as well as junior members. What they will > > think about us? Hence we must have some etiquette while writing and > > must maintain a mutual regard. > > > > I have already mentioned in my welcome note that we may have > > difference, but it does not mean that we may behave like street dogs. > > I have always encouraged that every one may support his stand with > > strong logic. Since the beginning of the forum I am only discussing > > about various points, which is being raised or supported by > > astrologer, hence when I ask for further clarification on their point > > then they either left, or observe silence or use abusive language. I > > do not know what they want to prove with their blind faith supported > > by filthy language. Since the very beginning no astrologer has > > answered my basic question narrated in my blog " astrology a science > > or myth " . They used to divert the matter and even then they are not > > able to substantiate their own points.> > > > Actually it makes no difference as to how many persons are following > > predictive astrology or how many are against astrology. Main point is > > both must have their logic. I have never disclosed my stand, which is > > already in my book. I am simply asking astrologer so that they may > > substantiate as to how astrology is science or Vedic.> > > > Till then general public may be aware as to what procedure was > > adopted for formulating the principle till then every one may > > continue to follow his own way, which are quite opposite to each > > other. Like some one say traditional astrology is good some will say > > KP, some say western and some say Lal kitab and so on. Thus every one > > is behaving like blind persons who have been asked to describe > > elephant. > > > > General public thinks that it is science, it is vedic it is created > > by our sages. But neither predictive astrology is science nor it is > > vedic nor it is created by our sages (yes it was only developed by > > our sages). Even sign like Taurus, Cancer, Virgo, Scorpio, > > Sagittarius etc. has no significance in any Indian religion, > > tradition, stories etc. So how these signs may be creation of our > > sages. We are actually degrading them with linking their names with > > some other religious concept. Whereas every sign has religious > > background of Greece. Likewise there is no mention of any principle > > in Ved nor they know about the solar system and so on. > > > > When we are analyzing then we must know as to whether our faith, is > > based on some truth or it is just a blind faith promoted by > > astrologer for their livelihood.> > > > I have many points to discuss. But I will continue my version after > > receiving some reaction of the members.> > > > I find that so many new members have joined the forum, and most of > > them are quite young. I welcome every new member in our forum. They > > have just entered in the struggle of life in the form of job, > > marriage, promotion, salary etc. In this age every one has dreams but > > without struggling capacity, like a kid who want to see every thing > > in trade-fair but he is not having sufficient skill to save him in > > the crowd and thus he become easy pray. Likewise new generation have > > dreams but not the self-confidence, ability to accept the challenges, > > hard work, patience and so on. Thus they become easy prey of > > astrologer. Who either infuse fear complex or some distant dreams > > along with some remedy circus. Thus their tender mind is polluted for > > life long and they continue to think that every planet is behind him > > and his only job to create problems. Thus he is in search of some > > remedy or some consolation from astrologer that your period will be > > good, and he looses his struggling capacity. > > > > My mission is very clear that every one must have courage to face odd > > situation, he must acquire knowledge, must improve his logic, must > > have scientific aptitude, ready to work hard, have patience, > > regularly try for his success, have some clear dream to achieve etc. > > Astrology is our heritage like a fort but we can not remain safe in > > fort in the era of missile. Likewise ancient knowledge is our > > heritage, we must have proud over it but we can neither go back to > > forest / hut nor we can survive with that knowledge. So I will like > > to request all young members that never fall in the trap of > > astrologer (this I am saying after +35 years of study on astrology), > > and I am also not going to earn any thing from this alert signal. No > > doubt astronomy is a good subject (which is Vedic too) hence try to > > learn about it but not predictive astrology for deciding important > > factors of life, because astrology is merely a form of magic or > > psychological game.> > > > I am inviting every young member to come forward and raise their > > question on astrology either inquisitive or learning or supportive > > etc….Always remember that every unanswered question is the gateway of > > knowledge and discussion is the best way to improve your logic hence > > never kill your inquisitiveness. So do not be a silent reader take > > active part in discussion. > > > > I will also like to know as to how many members will like to follow > > my advise, and what is the opinion of elder members, so that we may > > continue our interaction. > > > > Thanks,> > > > Sanat> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- TKP Ghopal32.2/40 Rajaratnam St.,Riverside Road, I Agraharam,SALEM-636 00193666 23444 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 24, 2008 Report Share Posted October 24, 2008 Dear Ghopal Ji and members, Namaskar, Thanks for your email. >>>>>>I found your your article in Astrovion Feb2008 regarding Shakthi chakra. Have you developed any software to make that chart.?<<<< Yes, Editor of the magazine was kind enough to publish my article in Jan and Feb issue. Like every astrologer, initially I was of the opinion that future event can be ascertained by applying correct principle. Hence I my self developed my own software for preparing horoscope etc. and prediction. Then I developed these shakti charka, chalchakra and another dristi charka (not in magazine) to conclude some prediction after fusing all related principles, which you have seen in the magazine. When I was not able to get 100% correct prediction only then I proceed in the direction to check the principles itself. I was able to find out as to how every principle was formulated on wrong concept. After that I published two books, about which I have already informed you. And that's why I have opened a forum to know as to any astrologer has some concept in this direction or are only befooling each other, without knowing the underground story. >>>>>Is Chala chakra also of the same size?<<<<< yes it is also of one page. >>>>>You mentioned a lot about KP too.So you must be much aware of KP system.<<<<<<< Yes, my predictive software also have KP principles and Shakti Chakra, chal charka also have KP. >>>>>>>I presume it is the simplest representation to go for prediction.<<<<< Yes, it is simplest representation of all relavant data, but when principles have no substance then what data can do. Thus I have spent +35 years in whole exercise and came to this point when I can say that predicitive astrology including traditional, KP, western and all other systems of predictions are only befooling tactics. I too could have earned like many astrologers, when I can have such chart. But I am passenger of truth not business. >>>>>>With so much of complexity in Shathi chakra also one can predict only to the tune of 80 % is my perception.<<<<<< it is not complex at all. Initially it appears so but it is as simple as ordinary horoscope. Because once you know as to what is written and where then it is very simple. I have narrated full detail to read all 5 chakra in my books. >>>Or can you predict more than that? If so learning also is very hectic I suppose.<<<<<< Learning of applying the principle to conclude some thing randomly is different but you may have all supportive data at appropriate place in the charka. Shakti charka has also been included in the file section of the forum () with the name of Eskain horoscope, But for identifying the data you have to read the details provided in the book. >>>>>However if one's mind is fixed on a way of life its too difficult get adjusted to any other way,like I am accustomed to KP way of prediction ,now mind thinks its too difficult to learn anything else. But the instinct says why not to learn.<<<<< It is not a new principle. It is only depiction of all related applicable principles in a horoscope at an appropriate place to proceed further. Thanks for your query. Yours truly, Sanat PS: Sh. Maheswara Varma has only nuisance value in the forum. Let him enter by so many fake ID. I will continue to ban him without any tears. I will like to request every member to avoid him and do not respond him. He has even no self respect. , " TKP Ghopal " <astrogopalji wrote: > > Dear Sanatji > I found your your article in Astrovion Feb2008 regarding Shakthi chakra. > Have you developed any software to make that chart.? > Is Chala chakra also of the same size? > You mentioned a lot about KP too.So you must be much aware of KP system. > I presume it is the simplest representation to go for prediction. > With so much of complexity in Shathi chakra also one can predict only to the > tune of 80 % is my perception. > Or can you predict more than that? If so learning also is very hectic I > suppose. > > However if one's mind is fixed on a way of life its too difficult get > adjusted to any other way,like I am accustomed to KP way of prediction ,now > mind thinks its too difficult to learn anything else. > But the instinct says why not to learn. > > Thanks > Regards > tkp ghopal > > > On 10/21/08, sanat2221 <sanatkumar_jain wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Venkata ji, > > Namaskar, > > Thanks for your msg. > > I welcome you in the forum in response of my invitation. I am > > continuously inviting members, who may be interested in astrology for > > proper discussion with different views on astrology. > > > > You are a Vedic scholar; hence your views may also have some weight. > > > > To start our discussion I am just picking your views : > > > > >>>>>>> Vedic Astrology is a science but the Astrologers frauds.They > > are ignorant, commercialied and money m inded.As such they make wrong > > predictions.I am not a professional astrologer but I am a > > Astrologer.Astronomy is a science and Vedic astrology is based on > > Astronomy.<<<<<<<<<< > > > > So I will like to know as to why Vedic Astrology is science? Here I > > am taking astrology as predictive astrology and not astronomy (which > > is Vedic as well as scientific and human civilization is continuously > > learning in this direction). As you are astrologer and Vedic scholar > > too hence you can explain, in which ved / slok predictive astrology > > has been referred. You may be right in your statement that > > astrologers are ignorant, commercialized and money minded. As such > > they make wrong predictions. So will you please refer some predictive > > principle from Ved. By following that principle let us make some > > correct predictions using Ved without any commercial attitude or > > money. > > > > Hope to have a good interaction. For proper linking I am also > > changing the subject. > > > > Thanks > > Yours truly, > > Sanat > > > > <% 40>, > > venkata krishnan > > <bcvk71@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear All, > > > I am a Vedic scholar, Historian, Mathematician, Writer > > and a Businessman by Profession.Vedic Astrology is a science but the > > Astrologers frauds.They are ignorant, commercialied and money m > > inded.As such they make wrong predictions.I am not a professional > > astrologer but I am a Astrologer.Astronomy is a science and Vedic > > astrology is based on Astronomy.The heavenley bodies have impact on > > terrestial human life.But one can over come the effects of Planets on > > the person which is based on ones Horoscope which was at the time of > > ones birth.The various Devas and Asuras mentioned in Vedas are Aliens > > to earth who visited earth frequently.They are Presiding Deities of > > various heavenly bodies .I guess there was a hitch in this group.I > > was invited to join this group by one Mr.Sanatkumar.Hence, I joined > > this group.I am a new member of this group.Whatever may be the cause > > of the hitch in this group,I request all the members to be friendly > > > mutually and avoid quarrelling.After all one must exchange > > knowledge with eachother.This is my personal request as a New member > > of this group. > > > Yours faithfully, > > > B.C.VENKATAKRISHNAN. > > > website: www.vedascience.com > > > > > > maheswara_varma <maheswara_varma@> > > > Re: Message to all > > > <% 40> > > > Sunday, October 19, 2008, 2:11 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dear sanat ji and group . > > > poor vijayaraghavan ,he thought this is a logical forum ,he > > mentioned everything but the moderaters r not for seeing the truth > > deliberately ,they r putting one science in shoes of other > > science .Or simply brushing aside with statements it is common or > > fluke or accidental like this (esp sri kaul ji ) . > > > > > > because the aim is diffrnt i also blv ,what ever points he raised > > is true and valid but his lack of time ( when i contcted him he also > > told me he cannot wait till end of the world ,as he told me they r > > simply passing time ).he posted diffrnt things even on futility of > > sri kaul's reserch and so called claims ,he also asked him to show > > his understanding of vedas .he even told he will explain everything > > later as it needs lot of time to explain all their questions ( as > > useless countering questions will also strt which happened in many > > others case ,as the main question is ,is astrology is usefull than is > > it is a science or myth or wheter we got frm greek or US ) ,so he > > made it a point to see collectively the results of all those rishi 's > > dictums ( all grp shud participate and he was not imposing any > > conditions other than this ) ,so first see results and then let us > > go to basics .As it is more easy for novice s who joined to know > > what is > > > astrology than going round the world with > > mutable/twistable answers .Then simply asking questions to > > prolongate the discussions .But once results r known then basics r > > easy to to exlain too .Then every one may not wait for answers too . > > > > > > he waited for 20 days to get a positiv reply or a effort to see in > > actual way . > > > then strted getting voilent as any man blvs in quality time will > > do . > > > > > > even he dont use any bad languge other than words fool or fraud > > which i think is true ,because when some one rejects all the worlds > > exprnces how can we act cooly .Fist of all where was > > quality discussion ( search of truth ) frm the moderaters side than > > repeating some pseudo intellectual points which is ready made too or > > twisting the points and giving answers for the queries he raised , > > > > > > asking others to see or answer only in our way is not logic or > > scientific if some one wants to see the truth ( for exmple swami > > vivekanda and sri ramakrishna paramahamsa dailogues ) ,it is > > adamance ,unscientific and i think we can call those ppl with having > > some secret missions /agenda. > > > now if some one wants why this days it has happend (i mean why > > they faced this carpet bombing in this grp ) i will explain to u > > all in the lite of astro . > > > but write to me personaly . > > > > > > maheswara varma . > > > ps --I wrote this as my opinion and further discussion on this i > > may or may not participate depending on constructv approach raised by > > queriests . > > > also sri sanat ji -dont count on some one who posted a mail is a > > support for u ,any intelligent persons can see it is a way to flash > > his address and some future business ,pls ban all address or personal > > links which is self promoting in future communications in grp,if u r > > serious in ur approach ( again it is my suggestions only ) . > > > > > > , " sanat2221 " > > <sanatkumar_jain@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Ghopal Ji and members, > > > > Namaskar, > > > > Yes, episode is over. Actually I do not want to ban any member, > > > > otherwise very purpose of discussion is defeated. But after all > > we > > > > have to maintain some discipline. We all are educated and there > > are > > > > many lady members, senior as well as junior members. What they > > will > > > > think about us? Hence we must have some etiquette while writing > > and > > > > must maintain a mutual regard. > > > > > > > > I have already mentioned in my welcome note that we may have > > > > difference, but it does not mean that we may behave like street > > dogs. > > > > I have always encouraged that every one may support his stand > > with > > > > strong logic. Since the beginning of the forum I am only > > discussing > > > > about various points, which is being raised or supported by > > > > astrologer, hence when I ask for further clarification on their > > point > > > > then they either left, or observe silence or use abusive > > language. I > > > > do not know what they want to prove with their blind faith > > supported > > > > by filthy language. Since the very beginning no astrologer has > > > > answered my basic question narrated in my blog " astrology a > > science > > > > or myth " . They used to divert the matter and even then they are > > not > > > > able to substantiate their own points. > > > > > > > > Actually it makes no difference as to how many persons are > > following > > > > predictive astrology or how many are against astrology. Main > > point is > > > > both must have their logic. I have never disclosed my stand, > > which is > > > > already in my book. I am simply asking astrologer so that they > > may > > > > substantiate as to how astrology is science or Vedic. > > > > > > > > Till then general public may be aware as to what procedure was > > > > adopted for formulating the principle till then every one may > > > > continue to follow his own way, which are quite opposite to each > > > > other. Like some one say traditional astrology is good some will > > say > > > > KP, some say western and some say Lal kitab and so on. Thus every > > one > > > > is behaving like blind persons who have been asked to describe > > > > elephant. > > > > > > > > General public thinks that it is science, it is vedic it is > > created > > > > by our sages. But neither predictive astrology is science nor it > > is > > > > vedic nor it is created by our sages (yes it was only developed > > by > > > > our sages). Even sign like Taurus, Cancer, Virgo, Scorpio, > > > > Sagittarius etc. has no significance in any Indian religion, > > > > tradition, stories etc. So how these signs may be creation of our > > > > sages. We are actually degrading them with linking their names > > with > > > > some other religious concept. Whereas every sign has religious > > > > background of Greece. Likewise there is no mention of any > > principle > > > > in Ved nor they know about the solar system and so on. > > > > > > > > When we are analyzing then we must know as to whether our faith, > > is > > > > based on some truth or it is just a blind faith promoted by > > > > astrologer for their livelihood. > > > > > > > > I have many points to discuss. But I will continue my version > > after > > > > receiving some reaction of the members. > > > > > > > > I find that so many new members have joined the forum, and most > > of > > > > them are quite young. I welcome every new member in our forum. > > They > > > > have just entered in the struggle of life in the form of job, > > > > marriage, promotion, salary etc. In this age every one has dreams > > but > > > > without struggling capacity, like a kid who want to see every > > thing > > > > in trade-fair but he is not having sufficient skill to save him > > in > > > > the crowd and thus he become easy pray. Likewise new generation > > have > > > > dreams but not the self-confidence, ability to accept the > > challenges, > > > > hard work, patience and so on. Thus they become easy prey of > > > > astrologer. Who either infuse fear complex or some distant dreams > > > > along with some remedy circus. Thus their tender mind is polluted > > for > > > > life long and they continue to think that every planet is behind > > him > > > > and his only job to create problems. Thus he is in search of some > > > > remedy or some consolation from astrologer that your period will > > be > > > > good, and he looses his struggling capacity. > > > > > > > > My mission is very clear that every one must have courage to face > > odd > > > > situation, he must acquire knowledge, must improve his logic, > > must > > > > have scientific aptitude, ready to work hard, have patience, > > > > regularly try for his success, have some clear dream to achieve > > etc. > > > > Astrology is our heritage like a fort but we can not remain safe > > in > > > > fort in the era of missile. Likewise ancient knowledge is our > > > > heritage, we must have proud over it but we can neither go back > > to > > > > forest / hut nor we can survive with that knowledge. So I will > > like > > > > to request all young members that never fall in the trap of > > > > astrologer (this I am saying after +35 years of study on > > astrology), > > > > and I am also not going to earn any thing from this alert signal. > > No > > > > doubt astronomy is a good subject (which is Vedic too) hence try > > to > > > > learn about it but not predictive astrology for deciding > > important > > > > factors of life, because astrology is merely a form of magic or > > > > psychological game. > > > > > > > > I am inviting every young member to come forward and raise their > > > > question on astrology either inquisitive or learning or > > supportive > > > > etc….Always remember that every unanswered question is the > > gateway of > > > > knowledge and discussion is the best way to improve your logic > > hence > > > > never kill your inquisitiveness. So do not be a silent reader > > take > > > > active part in discussion. > > > > > > > > I will also like to know as to how many members will like to > > follow > > > > my advise, and what is the opinion of elder members, so that we > > may > > > > continue our interaction. > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > Sanat > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > TKP Ghopal > 32.2/40 Rajaratnam St.,Riverside Road, > I Agraharam,SALEM-636 001 > 93666 23444 > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 25, 2008 Report Share Posted October 25, 2008 Thank you Sanatji,Thank very much for the point by point clarification. I would certainly go thro the book stealing sometime,then I would come to you. Regards tkp On 10/24/08, sanat2221 <sanatkumar_jain wrote: Dear Ghopal Ji and members,Namaskar,Thanks for your email.>>>>>>I found your your article in Astrovion Feb2008 regarding Shakthi chakra. Have you developed any software to make that chart.?<<<<Yes, Editor of the magazine was kind enough to publish my article in Jan and Feb issue. Like every astrologer, initially I was of the opinion that future event can be ascertained by applying correct principle. Hence I my self developed my own software for preparing horoscope etc. and prediction. Then I developed these shakti charka, chalchakra and another dristi charka (not in magazine) to conclude some prediction after fusing all related principles, which you have seen in the magazine. When I was not able to get 100% correct prediction only then I proceed in the direction to check the principles itself. I was able to find out as to how every principle was formulated on wrong concept. After that I published two books, about which I have already informed you. And that's why I have opened a forum to know as to any astrologer has some concept in this direction or are only befooling each other, without knowing the underground story.>>>>>Is Chala chakra also of the same size?<<<<< yes it is also of one page.>>>>>You mentioned a lot about KP too.So you must be much aware of KP system.<<<<<<< Yes, my predictive software also have KP principles and Shakti Chakra, chal charka also have KP. >>>>>>>I presume it is the simplest representation to go for prediction.<<<<< Yes, it is simplest representation of all relavant data, but when principles have no substance then what data can do. Thus I have spent +35 years in whole exercise and came to this point when I can say that predicitive astrology including traditional, KP, western and all other systems of predictions are only befooling tactics. I too could have earned like many astrologers, when I can have such chart. But I am passenger of truth not business. >>>>>>With so much of complexity in Shathi chakra also one can predict only to the tune of 80 % is my perception.<<<<<< it is not complex at all. Initially it appears so but it is as simple as ordinary horoscope. Because once you know as to what is written and where then it is very simple. I have narrated full detail to read all 5 chakra in my books.>>>Or can you predict more than that? If so learning also is very hectic I suppose.<<<<<< Learning of applying the principle to conclude some thing randomly is different but you may have all supportive data at appropriate place in the charka. Shakti charka has also been included in the file section of the forum () with the name of Eskain horoscope, But for identifying the data you have to read the details provided in the book. >>>>>However if one's mind is fixed on a way of life its too difficult get adjusted to any other way,like I am accustomed to KP way of prediction ,now mind thinks its too difficult to learn anything else. But the instinct says why not to learn.<<<<< It is not a new principle. It is only depiction of all related applicable principles in a horoscope at an appropriate place to proceed further. Thanks for your query.Yours truly,SanatPS: Sh. Maheswara Varma has only nuisance value in the forum. Let him enter by so many fake ID. I will continue to ban him without any tears. I will like to request every member to avoid him and do not respond him. He has even no self respect. , " TKP Ghopal " <astrogopalji wrote:>> Dear Sanatji> I found your your article in Astrovion Feb2008 regarding Shakthi chakra.> Have you developed any software to make that chart.? > Is Chala chakra also of the same size?> You mentioned a lot about KP too.So you must be much aware of KP system.> I presume it is the simplest representation to go for prediction.> With so much of complexity in Shathi chakra also one can predict only to the> tune of 80 % is my perception.> Or can you predict more than that? If so learning also is very hectic I> suppose.> > However if one's mind is fixed on a way of life its too difficult get> adjusted to any other way,like I am accustomed to KP way of prediction ,now> mind thinks its too difficult to learn anything else.> But the instinct says why not to learn.> > Thanks > Regards> tkp ghopal> > > On 10/21/08, sanat2221 <sanatkumar_jain wrote:> >> >> >> > Dear Venkata ji,> > Namaskar,> > Thanks for your msg. > > I welcome you in the forum in response of my invitation. I am> > continuously inviting members, who may be interested in astrology for> > proper discussion with different views on astrology. > >> > You are a Vedic scholar; hence your views may also have some weight.> >> > To start our discussion I am just picking your views :> >> > >>>>>>> Vedic Astrology is a science but the Astrologers frauds.They> > are ignorant, commercialied and money m inded.As such they make wrong> > predictions.I am not a professional astrologer but I am a> > Astrologer.Astronomy is a science and Vedic astrology is based on > > Astronomy.<<<<<<<<<<> >> > So I will like to know as to why Vedic Astrology is science? Here I> > am taking astrology as predictive astrology and not astronomy (which> > is Vedic as well as scientific and human civilization is continuously> > learning in this direction). As you are astrologer and Vedic scholar> > too hence you can explain, in which ved / slok predictive astrology> > has been referred. You may be right in your statement that> > astrologers are ignorant, commercialized and money minded. As such> > they make wrong predictions. So will you please refer some predictive> > principle from Ved. By following that principle let us make some> > correct predictions using Ved without any commercial attitude or> > money.> >> > Hope to have a good interaction. For proper linking I am also > > changing the subject.> >> > Thanks> > Yours truly,> > Sanat> >> > <% 40>, > > venkata krishnan> > <bcvk71@> wrote:> > >> > > Dear All,> > > I am a Vedic scholar, Historian, Mathematician, Writer> > and a Businessman by Profession.Vedic Astrology is a science but the> > Astrologers frauds.They are ignorant, commercialied and money m> > inded.As such they make wrong predictions.I am not a professional > > astrologer but I am a Astrologer.Astronomy is a science and Vedic> > astrology is based on Astronomy.The heavenley bodies have impact on> > terrestial human life.But one can over come the effects of Planets on> > the person which is based on ones Horoscope which was at the time of> > ones birth.The various Devas and Asuras mentioned in Vedas are Aliens> > to earth who visited earth frequently.They are Presiding Deities of> > various heavenly bodies .I guess there was a hitch in this group.I> > was invited to join this group by one Mr.Sanatkumar.Hence, I joined> > this group.I am a new member of this group.Whatever may be the cause> > of the hitch in this group,I request all the members to be friendly> > > mutually and avoid quarrelling.After all one must exchange> > knowledge with eachother.This is my personal request as a New member> > of this group.> > > Yours faithfully,> > > B.C.VENKATAKRISHNAN.> > > website: www.vedascience.com > > >> > > maheswara_varma <maheswara_varma@>> > > Re: Message to all> > > <% 40> > > > Sunday, October 19, 2008, 2:11 PM> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > dear sanat ji and group .> > > poor vijayaraghavan ,he thought this is a logical forum ,he> > mentioned everything but the moderaters r not for seeing the truth> > deliberately ,they r putting one science in shoes of other > > science .Or simply brushing aside with statements it is common or> > fluke or accidental like this (esp sri kaul ji ) .> > >> > > because the aim is diffrnt i also blv ,what ever points he raised> > is true and valid but his lack of time ( when i contcted him he also> > told me he cannot wait till end of the world ,as he told me they r> > simply passing time ).he posted diffrnt things even on futility of> > sri kaul's reserch and so called claims ,he also asked him to show> > his understanding of vedas .he even told he will explain everything> > later as it needs lot of time to explain all their questions ( as > > useless countering questions will also strt which happened in many> > others case ,as the main question is ,is astrology is usefull than is> > it is a science or myth or wheter we got frm greek or US ) ,so he > > made it a point to see collectively the results of all those rishi 's> > dictums ( all grp shud participate and he was not imposing any> > conditions other than this ) ,so first see results and then let us> > go to basics .As it is more easy for novice s who joined to know> > what is> > > astrology than going round the world with> > mutable/twistable answers .Then simply asking questions to > > prolongate the discussions .But once results r known then basics r> > easy to to exlain too .Then every one may not wait for answers too .> > >> > > he waited for 20 days to get a positiv reply or a effort to see in> > actual way .> > > then strted getting voilent as any man blvs in quality time will> > do .> > >> > > even he dont use any bad languge other than words fool or fraud > > which i think is true ,because when some one rejects all the worlds> > exprnces how can we act cooly .Fist of all where was> > quality discussion ( search of truth ) frm the moderaters side than> > repeating some pseudo intellectual points which is ready made too or> > twisting the points and giving answers for the queries he raised ,> > >> > > asking others to see or answer only in our way is not logic or > > scientific if some one wants to see the truth ( for exmple swami> > vivekanda and sri ramakrishna paramahamsa dailogues ) ,it is> > adamance ,unscientific and i think we can call those ppl with having> > some secret missions /agenda.> > > now if some one wants why this days it has happend (i mean why> > they faced this carpet bombing in this grp ) i will explain to u> > all in the lite of astro . > > > but write to me personaly .> > >> > > maheswara varma .> > > ps --I wrote this as my opinion and further discussion on this i> > may or may not participate depending on constructv approach raised by> > queriests .> > > also sri sanat ji -dont count on some one who posted a mail is a> > support for u ,any intelligent persons can see it is a way to flash> > his address and some future business ,pls ban all address or personal> > links which is self promoting in future communications in grp,if u r> > serious in ur approach ( again it is my suggestions only ) .> > >> > > , " sanat2221 " > > <sanatkumar_jain@ ...> wrote:> > > >> > > > Dear Ghopal Ji and members,> > > > Namaskar,> > > > Yes, episode is over. Actually I do not want to ban any member,> > > > otherwise very purpose of discussion is defeated. But after all> > we> > > > have to maintain some discipline. We all are educated and there> > are > > > > many lady members, senior as well as junior members. What they> > will> > > > think about us? Hence we must have some etiquette while writing> > and> > > > must maintain a mutual regard. > > > >> > > > I have already mentioned in my welcome note that we may have> > > > difference, but it does not mean that we may behave like street> > dogs.> > > > I have always encouraged that every one may support his stand > > with> > > > strong logic. Since the beginning of the forum I am only> > discussing> > > > about various points, which is being raised or supported by> > > > astrologer, hence when I ask for further clarification on their> > point> > > > then they either left, or observe silence or use abusive> > language. I> > > > do not know what they want to prove with their blind faith> > supported > > > > by filthy language. Since the very beginning no astrologer has> > > > answered my basic question narrated in my blog " astrology a> > science> > > > or myth " . They used to divert the matter and even then they are> > not> > > > able to substantiate their own points.> > > >> > > > Actually it makes no difference as to how many persons are> > following> > > > predictive astrology or how many are against astrology. Main > > point is> > > > both must have their logic. I have never disclosed my stand,> > which is> > > > already in my book. I am simply asking astrologer so that they> > may > > > > substantiate as to how astrology is science or Vedic.> > > >> > > > Till then general public may be aware as to what procedure was> > > > adopted for formulating the principle till then every one may > > > > continue to follow his own way, which are quite opposite to each> > > > other. Like some one say traditional astrology is good some will> > say> > > > KP, some say western and some say Lal kitab and so on. Thus every> > one> > > > is behaving like blind persons who have been asked to describe> > > > elephant.> > > >> > > > General public thinks that it is science, it is vedic it is > > created> > > > by our sages. But neither predictive astrology is science nor it> > is> > > > vedic nor it is created by our sages (yes it was only developed> > by > > > > our sages). Even sign like Taurus, Cancer, Virgo, Scorpio,> > > > Sagittarius etc. has no significance in any Indian religion,> > > > tradition, stories etc. So how these signs may be creation of our> > > > sages. We are actually degrading them with linking their names> > with> > > > some other religious concept. Whereas every sign has religious> > > > background of Greece. Likewise there is no mention of any > > principle> > > > in Ved nor they know about the solar system and so on.> > > >> > > > When we are analyzing then we must know as to whether our faith,> > is > > > > based on some truth or it is just a blind faith promoted by> > > > astrologer for their livelihood.> > > >> > > > I have many points to discuss. But I will continue my version > > after> > > > receiving some reaction of the members.> > > >> > > > I find that so many new members have joined the forum, and most> > of> > > > them are quite young. I welcome every new member in our forum. > > They> > > > have just entered in the struggle of life in the form of job,> > > > marriage, promotion, salary etc. In this age every one has dreams> > but> > > > without struggling capacity, like a kid who want to see every > > thing> > > > in trade-fair but he is not having sufficient skill to save him> > in> > > > the crowd and thus he become easy pray. Likewise new generation> > have > > > > dreams but not the self-confidence, ability to accept the> > challenges,> > > > hard work, patience and so on. Thus they become easy prey of> > > > astrologer. Who either infuse fear complex or some distant dreams> > > > along with some remedy circus. Thus their tender mind is polluted> > for> > > > life long and they continue to think that every planet is behind> > him > > > > and his only job to create problems. Thus he is in search of some> > > > remedy or some consolation from astrologer that your period will> > be> > > > good, and he looses his struggling capacity. > > > >> > > > My mission is very clear that every one must have courage to face> > odd> > > > situation, he must acquire knowledge, must improve his logic,> > must > > > > have scientific aptitude, ready to work hard, have patience,> > > > regularly try for his success, have some clear dream to achieve> > etc.> > > > Astrology is our heritage like a fort but we can not remain safe> > in> > > > fort in the era of missile. Likewise ancient knowledge is our> > > > heritage, we must have proud over it but we can neither go back> > to> > > > forest / hut nor we can survive with that knowledge. So I will > > like> > > > to request all young members that never fall in the trap of> > > > astrologer (this I am saying after +35 years of study on> > astrology),> > > > and I am also not going to earn any thing from this alert signal.> > No> > > > doubt astronomy is a good subject (which is Vedic too) hence try> > to> > > > learn about it but not predictive astrology for deciding> > important > > > > factors of life, because astrology is merely a form of magic or> > > > psychological game.> > > >> > > > I am inviting every young member to come forward and raise their> > > > question on astrology either inquisitive or learning or> > supportive> > > > etc….Always remember that every unanswered question is the> > gateway of> > > > knowledge and discussion is the best way to improve your logic > > hence> > > > never kill your inquisitiveness. So do not be a silent reader> > take> > > > active part in discussion.> > > >> > > > I will also like to know as to how many members will like to > > follow> > > > my advise, and what is the opinion of elder members, so that we> > may> > > > continue our interaction.> > > >> > > > Thanks, > > > >> > > > Sanat> > > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > > -- > TKP Ghopal> 32.2/40 Rajaratnam St.,Riverside Road,> I Agraharam,SALEM-636 001> 93666 23444> -- TKP Ghopal32.2/40 Rajaratnam St.,Riverside Road, I Agraharam,SALEM-636 00193666 23444 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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