please do not get angry, just still looking for help

[Guest guest]

Dear Diveyesh,

It seems that you r very frustrated yourself.

Before going to analyse your chart every astrologer

wants authenticity of your birth time. Otherwise whole

efforts go waste.

You have not given the date of your past event such as

 

1.Date of your marriage

2.Date of borth of your children.No . of kids you

have.

3.Date of getting/lost/change of job if any.

4.Date of death of your parents, if so happened.

It is all necessary to authenticate your birth time.

Your all problem will go out subject to the correct

birth details.

Ramesh Mishra

--- rahul soni <rahul34uk wrote:

 

> dear sir/madam

> PLEASE DO NOT GET OFFENDED AS I HAVE POSTED MY

> PROBLEM ON HERE BEFORE, I DO NOT MEAN ANY KIND OF

> OFFENCE OR AM I SAYING THAT PEOPLE WHO HAVE ADVISED

> ME BEFORE ARE WRONG OR NOT GENUINE, SOME OF YOU ARE

> RIGHT, BUT MY PLIGHT IS STILL THERE, AND I REPOST

> OUT OF FRUSTRATION.

>

> i have contact many dozens of astrologers, in the

> last few months because, my life is a still mess, i

> have lost my job, my marriage has been a mess and me

> and my wife dont talk and have not slept in the same

> bedroom for over 10yrs, we are only together for

> sake of kids.,

>

> i know abt my mahadasa and antradasa etc, but i

> still believe things can be done here and now.

> all astrologers have told me so many different

> things, i have paid so much money,(in total i must

> of paid at least 3500pounds in the last 12months in

> poojas, yagnas and chart readings and advice alone).

> yet i am no better off in any respect,

>

>  i have done many prayers to all sorts of planets

> and gods, i have been told to spend more money on

> gemstones which vary from blue sapphire, red coral,

> pearl, emerald, and diamond,, i have been told such

> things as shani or rahu, or ketu, or sun or moon or

> jupiter or venus is affecting me,

> or to pay to have more poojas and yagnas done, i

> have been told that i have been cursed, blackmagic,

> pitru curse, naag(cobra) curse, and many more other

> things,

>

> i have been told that i should pray to my

> weaker(malefic) planets to make them stronger, or

> that i should NOT pray to my weaker(malefic)

> planets, as praying to them will cause more harm as

> i am making them stronger to harm me more,

>

> or that i should pray to my benefic planets to make

> them even stronger, or that i should NOT pray to

> them as they are stronger anyway.

>

> I know there are many systems of looking at

> charts!!!

>

> i just need help, and the astrologer who help me

> sort my problems, will see a share of my gains, as i

> will need guidance all my life.

>

> Also should an astrologer/priest get paid before any

> results are shown??? its like paying a doctor before

> he has given you medicine which works, its like

> paying for machine to be repaired before you know it

> can be repaired, or if the engineer has repaired it

> properly at all.(if you know what i mean)

>

> name divyesh parekh

> tob 18.28pm

> place mumbai india

> date 17th aug 1965

> been living in the uk since 1967

>

> wifes name kamlash parekh

> tob 2200pm

> place birmingham, UK

> date 28 feb 1968

>

> i want to truly know how to become wealthy and happy

> in my marriage. I do believe a good

> astrologer/priest can tell me how to achieve all

> this, even if my charts do not show it now, its just

> knowing the right mantra, right gemstone, right

> offering etc. thru the power of faith and prayer

> nothing is impossible. no matter what the charts

> say. its about having belief and commitment.

>

>  we also live in a materialistic world and even god

> knows that i have responsibilities to my family etc,

> so i cant spend 15hours a day praying or spend all

> my money on poojas, yagnas etc.

>

> When i was young i knew a priest who could achieve

> anything,  but he has died many years ago,(he never

> asked for a penny) i saw him work miracles myself,

> my parents told me he was favoured by maa kali. and

> i have always said that there must be another person

> like him on this planet,

>

> i have been to many holy places like haridwar,

> trirupati, and gayagi, and many more. but have only

> empty promises or con men.

>

> My faith in god will never be questioned. shiva,

> vishnu, brahma and maa shakti, and i will always

> believe in god, i will do my prayers till i die,

>

> again apologies sincerely i do not wish to offend,

> but i seek that one true person for me,(maybe my

> future guru)

>

> regards

> divyesh

>

>

>

 

 

 

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Dear Divyesh

U r just wasting ur time. Do some meditation, remeber God & talk to Him He will

certainly reply u. Try & take some job even if it is a petty one, this will keep

ur mind occupied & later will help u in reorganising urself.

 

 

With Warm Regards

Haresh(Harry)Nathani

Vedic Astologer, Vaastu Consultant

Insurance Advisor

Cell +91 98672 14103

Mumbai,India)

 

 

 

 

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Wednesday, 24 September, 2008 7:20:17 AM

[vedic astrology] please do not get angry, just still looking for help

 

 

dear sir/madam

PLEASE DO NOT GET OFFENDED AS I HAVE POSTED MY PROBLEM ON HERE BEFORE, I DO NOT

MEAN ANY KIND OF OFFENCE OR AM I SAYING THAT PEOPLE WHO HAVE ADVISED ME BEFORE

ARE WRONG OR NOT GENUINE, SOME OF YOU ARE RIGHT, BUT MY PLIGHT IS STILL THERE,

AND I REPOST OUT OF FRUSTRATION.

 

i have contact many dozens of astrologers, in the last few months because, my

life is a still mess, i have lost my job, my marriage has been a mess and me and

my wife dont talk and have not slept in the same bedroom for over 10yrs, we are

only together for sake of kids.,

 

i know abt my mahadasa and antradasa etc, but i still believe things can be done

here and now.

all astrologers have told me so many different things, i have paid so much

money,(in total i must of paid at least 3500pounds in the last 12months in

poojas, yagnas and chart readings and advice alone). yet i am no better off in

any respect,

 

 i have done many prayers to all sorts of planets and gods, i have been told to

spend more money on gemstones which vary from blue sapphire, red coral, pearl,

emerald, and diamond,, i have been told such things as shani or rahu, or ketu,

or sun or moon or jupiter or venus is affecting me,

or to pay to have more poojas and yagnas done, i have been told that i have been

cursed, blackmagic, pitru curse, naag(cobra) curse, and many more other things,

 

i have been told that i should pray to my weaker(malefic) planets to make them

stronger, or that i should NOT pray to my weaker(malefic) planets, as praying to

them will cause more harm as i am making them stronger to harm me more,

 

or that i should pray to my benefic planets to make them even stronger, or that

i should NOT pray to them as they are stronger anyway.

 

I know there are many systems of looking at charts!!!

 

i just need help, and the astrologer who help me sort my problems, will see a

share of my gains, as i will need guidance all my life.

 

Also should an astrologer/priest get paid before any results are shown??? its

like paying a doctor before he has given you medicine which works, its like

paying for machine to be repaired before you know it can be repaired, or if the

engineer has repaired it properly at all.(if you know what i mean)

 

name divyesh parekh

tob 18.28pm

place mumbai india

date 17th aug 1965

been living in the uk since 1967

 

wifes name kamlash parekh

tob 2200pm

place birmingham, UK

date 28 feb 1968

 

i want to truly know how to become wealthy and happy in my marriage. I do

believe a good astrologer/priest can tell me how to achieve all this, even if my

charts do not show it now, its just knowing the right mantra, right gemstone,

right offering etc. thru the power of faith and prayer nothing is impossible. no

matter what the charts say. its about having belief and commitment.

 

 we also live in a materialistic world and even god knows that i have

responsibilities to my family etc, so i cant spend 15hours a day praying or

spend all my money on poojas, yagnas etc.

 

When i was young i knew a priest who could achieve anything,  but he has died

many years ago,(he never asked for a penny) i saw him work miracles myself, my

parents told me he was favoured by maa kali. and i have always said that there

must be another person like him on this planet,

 

i have been to many holy places like haridwar, trirupati, and gayagi, and many

more. but have only empty promises or con men.

 

My faith in god will never be questioned. shiva, vishnu, brahma and maa shakti,

and i will always believe in god, i will do my prayers till i die,

 

again apologies sincerely i do not wish to offend, but i seek that one true

person for me,(maybe my future guru)

 

regards

divyesh

 

 

[Guest guest]

dear kaul ji and sanat ji

 

pls dee this chart according to vedic astrology and giv us ur comments .let us get back to exprnce of a person than excavating for so called proofs as a culture which has gone tru various turmoil need not hav all supporting documents .

Now i am a student ( means not regular but arm chair ) of astrology .

 

see his moon dasa and see his debilated venus and its aspect on dasa Lord and his life exprnce

 

here is the post .

dear sir/madamPLEASE DO NOT GET OFFENDED AS I HAVE POSTED MY PROBLEM ON HERE BEFORE, I DO NOTMEAN ANY KIND OF OFFENCE OR AM I SAYING THAT PEOPLE WHO HAVE ADVISED ME BEFOREARE WRONG OR NOT GENUINE, SOME OF YOU ARE RIGHT, BUT MY PLIGHT IS STILL THERE,AND I REPOST OUT OF FRUSTRATION.i have contact many dozens of astrologers, in the last few months because, mylife is a still mess, i have lost my job, my marriage has been a mess and me andmy wife dont talk and have not slept in the same bedroom for over 10yrs, we areonly together for sake of kids.,i know abt my mahadasa and antradasa etc, but i still believe things can be donehere and now.all astrologers have told me so many different things, i have paid so muchmoney,(in total i must of paid at least 3500pounds in the last 12months inpoojas, yagnas and chart readings and advice alone). yet i am no better off inany respect, i have done many prayers to all sorts of planets and gods, i have been told tospend more money on gemstones which vary from blue sapphire, red coral, pearl,emerald, and diamond,, i have been told such things as shani or rahu, or ketu,or sun or moon or jupiter or venus is affecting me,or to pay to have more poojas and yagnas done, i have been told that i have beencursed, blackmagic, pitru curse, naag(cobra) curse, and many more other things,i have been told that i should pray to my weaker(malefic) planets to make themstronger, or that i should NOT pray to my weaker(malefic) planets, as praying tothem will cause more harm as i am making them stronger to harm me more,or that i should pray to my benefic planets to make them even stronger, or thati should NOT pray to them as they are stronger anyway.I know there are many systems of looking at charts!!!i just need help, and the astrologer who help me sort my problems, will see ashare of my gains, as i will need guidance all my life.Also should an astrologer/priest get paid before any results are shown??? itslike paying a doctor before he has given you medicine which works, its likepaying for machine to be repaired before you know it can be repaired, or if theengineer has repaired it properly at all.(if you know what i mean)name divyesh parekhtob 18.28pmplace mumbai indiadate 17th aug 1965been living in the uk since 1967wifes name kamlash parekhtob 2200pmplace birmingham, UKdate 28 feb 1968i want to truly know how to become wealthy and happy in my marriage. I dobelieve a good astrologer/priest can tell me how to achieve all this, even if mycharts do not show it now, its just knowing the right mantra, right gemstone,right offering etc. thru the power of faith and prayer nothing is impossible. nomatter what the charts say. its about having belief and commitment. we also live in a materialistic world and even god knows that i haveresponsibilities to my family etc, so i cant spend 15hours a day praying orspend all my money on poojas, yagnas etc.When i was young i knew a priest who could achieve anything, but he has diedmany years ago,(he never asked for a penny) i saw him work miracles myself, myparents told me he was favoured by maa kali. and i have always said that theremust be another person like him on this planet,i have been to many holy places like haridwar, trirupati, and gayagi, and manymore. but have only empty promises or con men.My faith in god will never be questioned. shiva, vishnu, brahma and maa shakti,and i will always believe in god, i will do my prayers till i die,again apologies sincerely i do not wish to offend, but i seek that one trueperson for me,(maybe my future guru)regardsdivyeshvedic astrology/message/105854

 

regrds VR

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Dear Bro.Digvigay parekh (VR)

I fully understand and sympatheise with u and ur problems!! Believe me when I SAY THAT THESE are ur own making thro ur own actions! Please don.t waste any more money on this But reilise that good days r ahead since no probs persist 4 all the 24*7 and 4 all the 365 days in a year. Have faith in yourself keep praying ur ista deiva and try to sincerely help as many as possible within ur means! Ever6ything will be OK GOD blessu and the whole worldP.B.PhanindarChartered Accountant99893 9919598662 21340--- On Tue, 9/30/08, lion_draco1983 <lion_draco1983 wrote:

lion_draco1983 <lion_draco1983 please do not get angry, just still looking for help Date: Tuesday, September 30, 2008, 4:39 PM

 

 

 

 

dear kaul ji and sanat ji

 

pls dee this chart according to vedic astrology and giv us ur comments .let us get back to exprnce of a person than excavating for so called proofs as a culture which has gone tru various turmoil need not hav all supporting documents .

Now i am a student ( means not regular but arm chair ) of astrology .

 

see his moon dasa and see his debilated venus and its aspect on dasa Lord and his life exprnce

 

here is the post .

dear sir/madamPLEASE DO NOT GET OFFENDED AS I HAVE POSTED MY PROBLEM ON HERE BEFORE, I DO NOTMEAN ANY KIND OF OFFENCE OR AM I SAYING THAT PEOPLE WHO HAVE ADVISED ME BEFOREARE WRONG OR NOT GENUINE, SOME OF YOU ARE RIGHT, BUT MY PLIGHT IS STILL THERE,AND I REPOST OUT OF FRUSTRATION.i have contact many dozens of astrologers, in the last few months because, mylife is a still mess, i have lost my job, my marriage has been a mess and me andmy wife dont talk and have not slept in the same bedroom for over 10yrs, we areonly together for sake of kids.,i know abt my mahadasa and antradasa etc, but i still believe things can be donehere and now.all astrologers have told me so many different things, i have paid so muchmoney,(in total i must of paid at least 3500pounds in the last 12months inpoojas, yagnas and chart readings and advice alone). yet i am no better off inany respect, i

have done many prayers to all sorts of planets and gods, i have been told tospend more money on gemstones which vary from blue sapphire, red coral, pearl,emerald, and diamond,, i have been told such things as shani or rahu, or ketu,or sun or moon or jupiter or venus is affecting me,or to pay to have more poojas and yagnas done, i have been told that i have beencursed, blackmagic, pitru curse, naag(cobra) curse, and many more other things,i have been told that i should pray to my weaker(malefic) planets to make themstronger, or that i should NOT pray to my weaker(malefic) planets, as praying tothem will cause more harm as i am making them stronger to harm me more,or that i should pray to my benefic planets to make them even stronger, or thati should NOT pray to them as they are stronger anyway.I know there are many systems of looking at charts!!!i just need help, and the astrologer who help

me sort my problems, will see ashare of my gains, as i will need guidance all my life.Also should an astrologer/priest get paid before any results are shown??? itslike paying a doctor before he has given you medicine which works, its likepaying for machine to be repaired before you know it can be repaired, or if theengineer has repaired it properly at all.(if you know what i mean)name divyesh parekhtob 18.28pmplace mumbai indiadate 17th aug 1965been living in the uk since 1967wifes name kamlash parekhtob 2200pmplace birmingham, UKdate 28 feb 1968i want to truly know how to become wealthy and happy in my marriage. I dobelieve a good astrologer/priest can tell me how to achieve all this, even if mycharts do not show it now, its just knowing the right mantra, right gemstone,right offering etc. thru the power of faith and prayer nothing is impossible. nomatter what

the charts say. its about having belief and commitment. we also live in a materialistic world and even god knows that i haveresponsibilities to my family etc, so i cant spend 15hours a day praying orspend all my money on poojas, yagnas etc.When i was young i knew a priest who could achieve anything, but he has diedmany years ago,(he never asked for a penny) i saw him work miracles myself, myparents told me he was favoured by maa kali. and i have always said that theremust be another person like him on this planet,i have been to many holy places like haridwar, trirupati, and gayagi, and manymore. but have only empty promises or con men.My faith in god will never be questioned. shiva, vishnu, brahma and maa shakti,and i will always believe in god, i will do my prayers till i die,again apologies sincerely i do not wish to offend, but i seek that one trueperson for

me,(maybe my future guru)regardsdivyeshhttp://groups. / group/vedic- astrology/ message/105854

 

regrds VR

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Dear Phaninder Ji,

 

Some Astrologers in Astro Group gives all negative prediction. Pl. find below the communication exchanged in the group. Pl. read from the mail communications from bottom.

 

 

Dear Suba / Kodhai,

 

Don't worry or Get panic with the negative predictions given my anyone. I used to circulate my problems in different Astro groups and get negative predictions from most of the people only to Panic. One Astrologer in this group has predicted that i will lose my Eye Sight during coming Ketu MD. I got very much panic .Pl. find below the prediction given by that astrologer.

 

“Ur Ketu dasha will give u health problems like appendix, diabities will increase, ur eyes will also get affected the left eye, u might loose vision of ur left eye as ur saddi satti is due nxt yr in sept & ur ketu dasha will also be going on, with sani aspecting ur 12th house will excalate ur problems. Do shanti yagya for rahu/ketu/sani/mangal.”

 

Then I had a chance to interact with a well known renowned astrologer in this field recently. He clarified my doubts with his following mail. I feel that Everyone should follow his words.

 

"When predictions are given, it should be in such a way that the recipient does not get psychologically upset and paranoid. That is why I said that the astrologer who has written the predictions must be lacking astrological counselling skills.

 

In astrology, there is the element of Vak Phalitha, and so an astrologer should avoid giving categorical negative predictions especially as remedies can always reduce the impact of the negativity.

 

Astrologers sometimes differ in their predictions because this is an applied subject. No one except God can be sure about the exactitude of a prediction (this includes myself!). Fate is dynamic and can alter during the course of our lives. It is with that belief that we do remedies. My perspective on astrology would be to identify sensitive periods in a horoscope and to suggest appropriate remedies, if necessary. The extent of danger can never be known to us exactly.

 

But, generally, it is best to avoid receiving casual predictions from astrological forums as the predictions that you receive may cause you to panic just as you are experiencing now. Have one family astrologer - whoever it is, and get all your consultations only from that person so that he/ she can understand the dynamics of your situation better and can give the best remedies. for instance, you might have already done some remedies well in advance anticipating tough periods; a regular astrologer who is following your life will know about that and hence will abstain from giving sweeping negative predictions as given to you in that mail by someone which has made you panic. The tone and content of the prediction do not indicate high level of expertise in astrological counselling - so you may take it for just what it is worth!

 

It is not as if everyone loses eye sight during ketu dasa or sade sathi; it is an erraneous assumption that is patent in the prediction. I have not checked your horoscope; but I am commenting on the pattern of prediction which seems to be illogical and too sweeping and fatalistic; good astrologers generally give specific remedies and not just generalized remedies like do yagna for Rahu/ Ketu/ Sani/ Mangal, etc.

 

Prayers are good remedies for any situation. During Ketu dasa, prayers to Lord Ganesha, Goddess Chandi, etc. will be very protective.

 

Just remember this thing.....we read so many instances of miracles in puranas. Why can't a miracle happen to you and help you to avert danger to your eye - even assuming that there is some real danger like that? I have myself experienced quite a few miraculous events in the lives of my own clients that have perplexed medical community.

If this itself gives you a morale booster, I will be happy with that."

 

 

I am making a request to the Astro Members not to make sweeping Negative predictions to any one in the community. It creates unnecessary panic among the native member and family.

 

Regards,

 

Harish

 

Fri, 26 Sep 2008 11:08:45 +0530Re: [vedic astrology] Fw: Need advice

 

 

Dear member, You are Virgo Lagna person and planets - Sun(12th Lord), Venus(2nd Lord), Mercury, Moon are in the 12th Bhava - in otherwords they are indicating the 12th house results. Saturn is your Atma karaka also in 12th house. The 12th house planets will see that your husband will get certain set backs in his professional career and may be he will sit on your shoulder and become a burden to you. Since Jupiter, the 7th Lord is in magha constellation -Asura, the problem of spouse will be more to you as per your horoscope whoever it may be. Mars in Cancer (debilitated) is not a good sign for any female horoscope and it will not allow for a happy marital life. My best advise would be to " Adjust, Adjust and adjust " everyday and be happy in your marital life. Regarding properties, Jupiter will help you after 9th December to dispose Land etc., subject to condition if the land is not under litigation. Your 6th ketu will create always litigation one way or other. with regards,E.Saravanan,ChennaiTamilnadu --- wrote:[vedic astrology] Fw: Need advice"Thursday, 25 September, 2008, 2:59 PMvedic astrologyWednesday, 24 September, 2008 6:12:00 PMNeed adviceDear Group,I'm a new member here and was happy to see so many astrologers here helping people's issues. I have my birth data and my fiance's birth data here. Our marriage has got fixed on February 8th at 9 - 10.30 AM at chennai. Pls advice us to overcome the problems we face now.Mine:(kodhai - Female)DOB : 21-9-1979POB : ChennaiTOB : 6:50 AMQuestion:1) My father has a property (vacant land) that we are trying to sell tomeet the marriage expenses. But the process is getting delayed and weare not getting the money we expect. Pls check out if we can sell theland at a nice price to meet the expenses.2)How is my marital life? What about issues of children? Does the horoscope have any problems regarding children?3) Will I pursue my higher studies? (I've done Masters) Can I come up in my profession? Fiance :DOB : 13-6-1979POB : TrichirapallyTOB : 11:12 AMQuestion:1) He left his job once in 2005 and then he got a job in November 2007 which he resigned in January 2008. At present he is not in a job. Will he get a nice job?Thank youKodhai

 

 

 

From: pbphanindarDate: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 04:37:59 -0700Re: please do not get angry, just still looking for help

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Bro.Digvigay parekh (VR)

I fully understand and sympatheise with u and ur problems!! Believe me when I SAY THAT THESE are ur own making thro ur own actions! Please don.t waste any more money on this But reilise that good days r ahead since no probs persist 4 all the 24*7 and 4 all the 365 days in a year. Have faith in yourself keep praying ur ista deiva and try to sincerely help as many as possible within ur means! Ever6ything will be OK GOD blessu and the whole worldP.B.PhanindarChartered Accountant99893 9919598662 21340--- On Tue, 9/30/08, lion_draco1983 <lion_draco1983 > wrote:

lion_draco1983 <lion_draco1983 > please do not get angry, just still looking for help Date: Tuesday, September 30, 2008, 4:39 PM

 

 

 

 

dear kaul ji and sanat ji

 

pls dee this chart according to vedic astrology and giv us ur comments .let us get back to exprnce of a person than excavating for so called proofs as a culture which has gone tru various turmoil need not hav all supporting documents .

Now i am a student ( means not regular but arm chair ) of astrology .

 

see his moon dasa and see his debilated venus and its aspect on dasa Lord and his life exprnce

 

here is the post .

dear sir/madamPLEASE DO NOT GET OFFENDED AS I HAVE POSTED MY PROBLEM ON HERE BEFORE, I DO NOTMEAN ANY KIND OF OFFENCE OR AM I SAYING THAT PEOPLE WHO HAVE ADVISED ME BEFOREARE WRONG OR NOT GENUINE, SOME OF YOU ARE RIGHT, BUT MY PLIGHT IS STILL THERE,AND I REPOST OUT OF FRUSTRATION.i have contact many dozens of astrologers, in the last few months because, mylife is a still mess, i have lost my job, my marriage has been a mess and me andmy wife dont talk and have not slept in the same bedroom for over 10yrs, we areonly together for sake of kids.,i know abt my mahadasa and antradasa etc, but i still believe things can be donehere and now.all astrologers have told me so many different things, i have paid so muchmoney,(in total i must of paid at least 3500pounds in the last 12months inpoojas, yagnas and chart readings and advice alone). yet i am no better off inany respect, i have done many prayers to all sorts of planets and gods, i have been told tospend more money on gemstones which vary from blue sapphire, red coral, pearl,emerald, and diamond,, i have been told such things as shani or rahu, or ketu,or sun or moon or jupiter or venus is affecting me,or to pay to have more poojas and yagnas done, i have been told that i have beencursed, blackmagic, pitru curse, naag(cobra) curse, and many more other things,i have been told that i should pray to my weaker(malefic) planets to make themstronger, or that i should NOT pray to my weaker(malefic) planets, as praying tothem will cause more harm as i am making them stronger to harm me more,or that i should pray to my benefic planets to make them even stronger, or thati should NOT pray to them as they are stronger anyway.I know there are many systems of looking at charts!!!i just need help, and the astrologer who help me sort my problems, will see ashare of my gains, as i will need guidance all my life.Also should an astrologer/priest get paid before any results are shown??? itslike paying a doctor before he has given you medicine which works, its likepaying for machine to be repaired before you know it can be repaired, or if theengineer has repaired it properly at all.(if you know what i mean)name divyesh parekhtob 18.28pmplace mumbai indiadate 17th aug 1965been living in the uk since 1967wifes name kamlash parekhtob 2200pmplace birmingham, UKdate 28 feb 1968i want to truly know how to become wealthy and happy in my marriage. I dobelieve a good astrologer/priest can tell me how to achieve all this, even if mycharts do not show it now, its just knowing the right mantra, right gemstone,right offering etc. thru the power of faith and prayer nothing is impossible. nomatter what the charts say. its about having belief and commitment. we also live in a materialistic world and even god knows that i haveresponsibilities to my family etc, so i cant spend 15hours a day praying orspend all my money on poojas, yagnas etc.When i was young i knew a priest who could achieve anything, but he has diedmany years ago,(he never asked for a penny) i saw him work miracles myself, myparents told me he was favoured by maa kali. and i have always said that theremust be another person like him on this planet,i have been to many holy places like haridwar, trirupati, and gayagi, and manymore. but have only empty promises or con men.My faith in god will never be questioned. shiva, vishnu, brahma and maa shakti,and i will always believe in god, i will do my prayers till i die,again apologies sincerely i do not wish to offend, but i seek that one trueperson for me,(maybe my future guru)regardsdivyeshhttp://groups. / group/vedic- astrology/ message/105854

 

regrds VR

 

 

 

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dear Harish ji and phanindar ji

i am not the queriest nor looking for any predictions

i was asking akk ji and sanat ji who says they hav good command over vedic astrology and now says it is not in veda ,uapanishats or puranas and it is humbug

what i was asking is the efficacy of application .here we never see the chemical formula of sugar to drink tea but we drink tea for the sake of tea

so i was asking their opinions as i am a student and i can see problems clearly in his chart

other wise i am fed up with same mails of both of them all astro forums

 

regrds VR

 

[Guest guest]

Dear lion_draco1983 <lion_draco1983

 

It is very difficult to understand that a person who says is an vedic astrologer & then quotes by saying that he does not belives in vedas & astrology is not a vedic. I hv no answer to it. I am an vedic astrologer & I hv faith & belief in them.

that is why I am a professional astrologer & seeing success in this profession. If u get into any kind of debate on this, this will never end. The choice is urs either u get into a debate or just do ur job by following vedic astrology. Else it will create an unnecessary controversy. An astrologer should never get into any kind of contoversy else the subject of astrology will fail. an astrologer is supposed to identify the problem & give a solution according to the horoscope he is seeing. Controversy does not does any good to an astrologer but creates a dark cloud of goodwill

With Warm Regards

Haresh(Harry)Nathani

Vedic Astologer, Vaastu Consultant

Insurance Advisor

Cell +91 98672 14103

Mumbai,India)

 

 

lion_draco1983 <lion_draco1983 Sent: Tuesday, 30 September, 2008 7:08:18 PM Re: please do not get angry, just still looking for help

 

 

dear Harish ji and phanindar ji

i am not the queriest nor looking for any predictions

i was asking akk ji and sanat ji who says they hav good command over vedic astrology and now says it is not in veda ,uapanishats or puranas and it is humbug

what i was asking is the efficacy of application .here we never see the chemical formula of sugar to drink tea but we drink tea for the sake of tea

so i was asking their opinions as i am a student and i can see problems clearly in his chart

other wise i am fed up with same mails of both of them all astro forums

 

regrds VR

 

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dear respected sri haresh nathani ji ,

thanks for response ,

 

let me tell u i am not a vedic astrologer by profession and not interested too ,i am not degrading ur profession but i got diffrnt profession again a indian sastra and we r proud of it .

 

i dont blv in debates unless person is interested in real astrology ( means i saw many mails they abuse others here and ask stupid questions just to provoke and humilaite ) also we cannot neither proove also ,as indian history is more than what the neo historians ( european tuned minds ) says ,as i know any sastra wheter fake or not it need time to devlp ,other wise why no one created similar one in any where in world .But they know all this in bottom of their heart but here mission is diffrnt ( i real almost all mails in grp )

 

even i dont understand why then astro shud b used in muhurthas ( like what sri AKK says -that is only purpose of vedic astrology ) if ancient vedic ppl dont blv in astro as predictiv science .also what is the use of celebrating festivals too .as most of them r astro oriented ,even many gods we use today has weak reference in vedas if we see quick glance ( so what we shud do stop praying or going to mandirs too) ,but i find various translation in english and also knows sanksrit has so many meaning so u can twist it based on ur intentions .And even we r not sure abt the original form of text too .

 

another thing here i will never involve in debate as i blv in quality time

 

i blv exprnce of the nativ and co realtion with dasas .

 

i will use lahiri and vimshottary of 365 days which i am comfortable ( other dasas if they want they can use but i will co operate as they are all 40 or 45 yrs exprnced ) .All chart we will discuss will b posted by diffrnt nativs in various astro forums ,if they hav scientific mind they can check it .themselves .even the genuinity of posters .

 

i will not accept any of their charts as i hav seen their reply to many astrologers with bad intention and with some missionary zeal ( as funded ???) than scientific approach .

 

we r family of ayurveds frm kerala ,we uses astro frm begining to end to treat a patient if he /she is cronic patient ( prashna /omens /muhurta ( for giving medicines) .

 

ayurveda also suffered this kind of humilaiation frm indian converts who was funded by western ppl or some lobbies and all news papers and medias were systematicaly degraded and made it fall gr8ly( they almost succeeded too ) ,but thanks to western ppl now we dont hav time to sit idle and getting very good remunation than any professionals can imagine ,after spending millions in treatment ( dollars ) in US for yrs ,many got cured within 21 days and even some approached on their own with famous news channels and said their part of story too.And this has contributed for further rush too .

 

so if they permit me i will discuss astro linking with personal anubhava and no vedic reference mumbo jumbo ( as we dont care than solid proof ) also many of ayurvedic thing has no reference in vedas tho we call it ayurveda ( so what we shud do ??) ,where they r not seems to b interested ( i will pick charts frm forums only and we can easily see their problems reflecting in charts ) let them say i am not complying with vedic astrology principles as they were into astrology for half century ( i mean classics or texts ) .let us see reality .

 

but their charts i cannot accept and again if they approach me as gr8est astrologer ( pretext ) and challenges ( 1 MN frm randi or 10 mn frm goerge bush claims ) i dont like it as i am still a student only means may b few yrs ( even i find one of this gentle man challenged by seeing the memebr ship in forums who ever joined to get a predictions ,he says this forum has 8000 astrologers than memebrs to proove his stupid points ( so purpose clear and is not showing any scientifc mind ) .Astro tecnic in treatment is diffrnt and also b4 ancestrs used moon s transits in procuring and storing medicine too .

 

so i blv in practical exprnce same like our ayurvedic medicines ( we will fail in west labs to proov why we cured epilepsy or cancer or paralysis ) ,why this bush or herb or plants and why its mixing givs this effects etc .but we can cure it ,that is it ,and that is all

 

thanks for ur mail .

but i blv this ppl r funded well and so has all the time in world ,so they r working for some christian radical grp i blv as i read frm other astro forums .

 

regrds vijaya raghavan

 

, "Haresh \(Harry\) Nathani" <haresh1405 wrote:>> Dear lion_draco1983 lion_draco1983 > It is very difficult to understand that a person who says is an vedic astrologer & then quotes by saying that he does not belives in vedas & astrology is not a vedic. I hv no answer to it. I am an vedic astrologer & I hv faith & belief in them. > that is why I am a professional astrologer & seeing success in this profession. If u get into any kind of debate on this, this will never end. The choice is urs either u get into a debate or just do ur job by following vedic astrology. Else it will create an unnecessary controversy. An astrologer should never get into any kind of contoversy else the subject of astrology will fail. an astrologer is supposed to identify the problem & give a solution according to the horoscope he is seeing. Controversy does not does any good to an astrologer but creates a dark cloud of goodwill>  > With Warm Regards> Haresh(Harry)Nathani> Vedic Astologer, Vaastu Consultant> Insurance Advisor> Cell +91 98672 14103> Mumbai,India)> > > > > lion_draco1983 lion_draco1983 > Tuesday, 30 September, 2008 7:08:18 PM> Re: please do not get angry, just still looking for help> > > > dear Harish ji and phanindar ji > i am not the queriest nor looking for any predictions > i was asking akk ji and sanat ji who says they hav good command over vedic astrology and now says it is not in veda ,uapanishats or puranas and it is humbug > what i was asking is the efficacy of application .here we never see the chemical formula of sugar to drink tea but we drink tea for the sake of tea > so i was asking their opinions as i am a student and i can see problems clearly in his chart > other wise i am fed up with same mails of both of them all astro  forums >  > regrds VR >  > > >

[Guest guest]

Dear Nathani ji,

Namaskar,

We in the forum received your msg. after a very long time addressed

to lion_draco. Thanks for reappearing.

 

Now I am interfering with your interaction that atleast you have

admitted >>>>I am an vedic astrologer & I hv faith & belief in them.

that is why I am a professional astrologer & seeing success in this

profession.<<<<<. Thus you have faith and belief on astrology and

secondly now you will not say that it is science. If you are really a

vedic astrologer then atleast you can intimate me any single slok out

of any four Ved where you find the name of signs, forget about

principles. I hope you will not go in silence or quit the forum.

Because it is not covered by your statement >>>> If u get into any

kind of debate on this, this will never end.<<<<< Just quote a slok

and we will leave this point, so where is the question of never

ending debate. We are fortunate enough that we have a professional

astrologer, otherwise till now even professional astrologers have not

admitted that they are professional and coverup themselves that they

are student of astrology.

 

You may have read my interaction with Sh Prabhakar Ji, dated 23-9-8,

where in after claiming many principles he openly admitted that there

is no principle in Lal Kitab about the sex of native then I

immediately dropped the point. So how you can say that debate will

never end. Yes, inquisitive of mind will never end and I will say

that it must never be end. But so far you have not replied even a

single point, even when you are claiming Kaal sarp yog etc. and when

I asked you on 6-9-8 as to why longitude of Rahu was not alike Sun

and Moon at the time of total solar eclipse. Since then you are

observing silence. So where is the question of never ending

discussion even our discussion has not yet started?

 

You may be right that >>>> An astrologer should never get into any

kind of controversy else the subject of astrology will fail<<<<< So

you think any discussion on any subject will fail it or you think

astrology will collapse if you discuss or you are not interested in

discussion, because your inability will >>>>> does any good to an

astrologer but creates a dark cloud of goodwill<<<<<, by which

astrologer are earning. Whereas, in my opinion, very purpose of the

forum is defeated if professional astrologer like you or those

members who have faith on astrology will not discuss it academically

to correctly depict their stand.

I hope you will come out with open mind and put your stand

because " Ship is always safe at shore... but is is not built for it " .

Likewise you may be always safe among clients but this forum will

test the real knowledge, if any.

Please excuse me for any negative observations. As interaction is

academic and not personal.

Hope to hear your observation on my various points raised on 4, 6 and

8th sept. 09.

Thanks,

Yours

Sanat

0751 - 2626868

 

 

, " Haresh \(Harry\) Nathani "

<haresh1405 wrote:

>

> Dear lion_draco1983 <lion_draco1983

>

> It is very difficult to understand that a person who says is an

vedic astrologer & then quotes by saying that he does not belives in

vedas & astrology is not a vedic. I hv no answer to it. I am an

vedic astrologer & I hv faith  & belief in them. 

> that is why I am a professional astrologer & seeing success in this

profession. If u get into any kind of debate on this, this will never

end. The choice is urs either u get into a debate or just do ur job

by following vedic astrology. Else it will create an unnecessary

controversy. An astrologer should never get into any kind of

contoversy else the subject of astrology will fail. an astrologer is

supposed to identify the problem & give a solution according to the

horoscope he is seeing. Controversy does not does any good to an

astrologer but creates a dark cloud of goodwill

>  

> With Warm Regards

> Haresh(Harry)Nathani

> Vedic Astologer, Vaastu Consultant

> Insurance Advisor

> Cell +91 98672 14103

> Mumbai,India)

>

>

>

>

> lion_draco1983 <lion_draco1983

>

> Tuesday, 30 September, 2008 7:08:18 PM

> Re: please do not get angry, just

still looking for help

>

>

>

> dear Harish ji and phanindar ji

> i am not the queriest nor looking for any predictions

> i was asking akk ji and sanat ji who says they hav good command

over vedic astrology and now says it is not in veda ,uapanishats or

puranas and it is humbug

> what i was asking is the efficacy of application .here we never see

the chemical formula of sugar to drink tea but we drink tea for the

sake of tea

> so i was asking their opinions as i am a student and i can see

problems clearly in his chart

> other wise i am fed up with same mails of both of them all astro

 forums

>  

> regrds VR

>  

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Dear divyesh ji,

Namaskar,

Thanks for your msgs.

Though I do not want to reply your msg. because I am not doing any

prediction. But your both msgs are contradicting where in your first

msg you have highlighted your problems and about spending lot of

money on astrologers; and in 2nd msg you are saying that >>>>>i am

not the queriest nor looking for any predictions. i was asking akk ji

and sanat ji who says they hav good command over vedic astrology and

now says it is not in veda ,uapanishats or puranas and it is

humbug<<<<<<. So first of all please let me know in which msg or in

which forum I claimed that I have a good command over Vedic astrology

(for doing any prediction except for discussion). You can imagine

that when I am studying astrology since last +35 years and written

two original books than definitely I may be some what well aware, but

I have never exploited with any Vaak Patuta (communication skill) or

by negative prediction or remedy circus and so on. When I am saying

that it is not in Ved it means something. If you, or your astrologer

or friends have some patience (other then their business interest)

then they can discuss it.

 

So far your problem is concerned; I will like to say that you may

continue to loose your money as long as you have money to fill the

stomach of astrologers. No body on Earth can help you so long you

have no wisdom to analyze a problem. Remember, problem it-self is not

problem, it is our inability to find the proper solution. Planets

have nothing to do with your wife or your problem. So either you must

know the bottom side story or you may wander from one astrologer to

another. When one astrologer will suggest some remedy another will

suggest some another remedy. So continue with this remedy circus. In

my opinion you are in need of a family counselor. However, you may

continue to take advice, whatever you think may be beneficial to you.

 

Regarding >>>>> and i can see problems clearly in his chart other

wise i am fed up with same mails of both of them all astro

forums<<<<<<< I will like to say that where you find my chart and I

have neither asked you for my problem neither in this forum nor in

any other forum, otherwise like Sh Harish JI, you will also ask for

fee. So far same msg is concerned, what can be done if every member

like to have discussion from the very beginning and conveniently

observe silence just to show his greatness (but they are more

interested in their business). I can only suggest and request that

whenever you see my msg. you can simply skip it. OK. However, I find

that you have just joined our forum. So I am unable to understand

your observations.

 

Hope to read your msg. regularly.

 

Thanks,

 

Yours truly,

Sanat

 

 

, " lion_draco1983 "

<lion_draco1983 wrote:

>

>

>

>

> dear kaul ji and sanat ji

>

>

>

> pls dee this chart according to vedic astrology and giv us ur

comments

> .let us get back to exprnce of a person than excavating for so

called

> proofs as a culture which has gone tru various turmoil need not hav

all

> supporting documents .

>

> Now i am a student ( means not regular but arm chair ) of

astrology .

>

>

>

> see his moon dasa and see his debilated venus and its aspect on dasa

> Lord and his life exprnce

>

>

>

> here is the post .

>

> dear sir/madam

> PLEASE DO NOT GET OFFENDED AS I HAVE POSTED MY PROBLEM ON HERE

BEFORE, I

> DO NOT

> MEAN ANY KIND OF OFFENCE OR AM I SAYING THAT PEOPLE WHO HAVE

ADVISED ME

> BEFORE

> ARE WRONG OR NOT GENUINE, SOME OF YOU ARE RIGHT, BUT MY PLIGHT IS

STILL

> THERE,

> AND I REPOST OUT OF FRUSTRATION.

>

> i have contact many dozens of astrologers, in the last few months

> because, my

> life is a still mess, i have lost my job, my marriage has been a

mess

> and me and

> my wife dont talk and have not slept in the same bedroom for over

10yrs,

> we are

> only together for sake of kids.,

>

> i know abt my mahadasa and antradasa etc, but i still believe

things can

> be done

> here and now.

> all astrologers have told me so many different things, i have paid

so

> much

> money,(in total i must of paid at least 3500pounds in the last

12months

> in

> poojas, yagnas and chart readings and advice alone). yet i am no

better

> off in

> any respect,

>

> Â i have done many prayers to all sorts of planets and gods, i have

> been told to

> spend more money on gemstones which vary from blue sapphire, red

coral,

> pearl,

> emerald, and diamond,, i have been told such things as shani or

rahu, or

> ketu,

> or sun or moon or jupiter or venus is affecting me,

> or to pay to have more poojas and yagnas done, i have been told

that i

> have been

> cursed, blackmagic, pitru curse, naag(cobra) curse, and many more

other

> things,

>

> i have been told that i should pray to my weaker(malefic) planets to

> make them

> stronger, or that i should NOT pray to my weaker(malefic) planets,

as

> praying to

> them will cause more harm as i am making them stronger to harm me

more,

>

> or that i should pray to my benefic planets to make them even

stronger,

> or that

> i should NOT pray to them as they are stronger anyway.

>

> I know there are many systems of looking at charts!!!

>

> i just need help, and the astrologer who help me sort my problems,

will

> see a

> share of my gains, as i will need guidance all my life.

>

> Also should an astrologer/priest get paid before any results are

> shown??? its

> like paying a doctor before he has given you medicine which works,

its

> like

> paying for machine to be repaired before you know it can be

repaired, or

> if the

> engineer has repaired it properly at all.(if you know what i mean)

>

> name divyesh parekh

> tob 18.28pm

> place mumbai india

> date 17th aug 1965

> been living in the uk since 1967

>

> wifes name kamlash parekh

> tob 2200pm

> place birmingham, UK

> date 28 feb 1968

>

> i want to truly know how to become wealthy and happy in my

marriage. I

> do

> believe a good astrologer/priest can tell me how to achieve all

this,

> even if my

> charts do not show it now, its just knowing the right mantra, right

> gemstone,

> right offering etc. thru the power of faith and prayer nothing is

> impossible. no

> matter what the charts say. its about having belief and commitment.

>

> Â we also live in a materialistic world and even god knows that i

> have

> responsibilities to my family etc, so i cant spend 15hours a day

praying

> or

> spend all my money on poojas, yagnas etc.

>

> When i was young i knew a priest who could achieve anything, but

he

> has died

> many years ago,(he never asked for a penny) i saw him work miracles

> myself, my

> parents told me he was favoured by maa kali. and i have always said

that

> there

> must be another person like him on this planet,

>

> i have been to many holy places like haridwar, trirupati, and

gayagi,

> and many

> more. but have only empty promises or con men.

>

> My faith in god will never be questioned. shiva, vishnu, brahma and

maa

> shakti,

> and i will always believe in god, i will do my prayers till i die,

>

> again apologies sincerely i do not wish to offend, but i seek that

one

> true

> person for me,(maybe my future guru)

>

> regards

> divyesh

> vedic astrology/message/105854

> <vedic astrology/message/105854>

>

>

>

> regrds VR

>

[Guest guest]

dear sanat or who ever u r ( because i dont know ur new christain name )

 

u r dancing around ,i posted everything clearly ,it was a post frm vedic astrology grp where u r also a memebr and i said i can see clearly the problems in his chart .

so dont dance around ,i know u did understand ,u say u r only scientific ,but now i am sure abt ur intention s bharath shud loose this skills and u ppl can get a run over on hindus that is all ,why u negete prathyaksha anubhva ???is it scientific

 

i stick with my challenge to u on my own way as i am interested only in results than simple howling like a dog .

 

so be ready or say u r finsihed .

 

i dont need ur fees by god s grace .i am rich than wat u think after 2 generation of humiliation frm u ppl .and our generation is doing good

 

pls re reAD my mails .

i dont hav time to argue or even type ,if u ready inform me ,i will stay in grp for one week more.

 

if u r ready u will b cleared of ur ignorence ( self imposed or finnced by some lobbies )

 

regrds vijaya raghavan

 

 

, "sanat2221" <sanatkumar_jain wrote:>> > > > Dear divyesh ji,> Namaskar,> Thanks for your msgs.> Though I do not want to reply your msg. because I am not doing any > prediction. But your both msgs are contradicting where in your first > msg you have highlighted your problems and about spending lot of > money on astrologers; and in 2nd msg you are saying that >>>>>i am > not the queriest nor looking for any predictions. i was asking akk ji > and sanat ji who says they hav good command over vedic astrology and > now says it is not in veda ,uapanishats or puranas and it is > humbug<<<<<<. So first of all please let me know in which msg or in > which forum I claimed that I have a good command over Vedic astrology > (for doing any prediction except for discussion). You can imagine > that when I am studying astrology since last +35 years and written > two original books than definitely I may be some what well aware, but > I have never exploited with any Vaak Patuta (communication skill) or > by negative prediction or remedy circus and so on. When I am saying > that it is not in Ved it means something. If you, or your astrologer > or friends have some patience (other then their business interest) > then they can discuss it.> > So far your problem is concerned; I will like to say that you may > continue to loose your money as long as you have money to fill the > stomach of astrologers. No body on Earth can help you so long you > have no wisdom to analyze a problem. Remember, problem it-self is not > problem, it is our inability to find the proper solution. Planets > have nothing to do with your wife or your problem. So either you must > know the bottom side story or you may wander from one astrologer to > another. When one astrologer will suggest some remedy another will > suggest some another remedy. So continue with this remedy circus. In > my opinion you are in need of a family counselor. However, you may > continue to take advice, whatever you think may be beneficial to you.> > Regarding >>>>> and i can see problems clearly in his chart other > wise i am fed up with same mails of both of them all astro > forums<<<<<<< I will like to say that where you find my chart and I > have neither asked you for my problem neither in this forum nor in > any other forum, otherwise like Sh Harish JI, you will also ask for > fee. So far same msg is concerned, what can be done if every member > like to have discussion from the very beginning and conveniently > observe silence just to show his greatness (but they are more > interested in their business). I can only suggest and request that > whenever you see my msg. you can simply skip it. OK. However, I find > that you have just joined our forum. So I am unable to understand > your observations.> > Hope to read your msg. regularly.> > Thanks,> > Yours truly,> Sanat> > > , "lion_draco1983" > lion_draco1983@ wrote:> >> > > > > > > > dear kaul ji and sanat ji> > > > > > > > pls dee this chart according to vedic astrology and giv us ur > comments> > .let us get back to exprnce of a person than excavating for so > called> > proofs as a culture which has gone tru various turmoil need not hav > all> > supporting documents .> > > > Now i am a student ( means not regular but arm chair ) of > astrology .> > > > > > > > see his moon dasa and see his debilated venus and its aspect on dasa> > Lord and his life exprnce> > > > > > > > here is the post .> > > > dear sir/madam> > PLEASE DO NOT GET OFFENDED AS I HAVE POSTED MY PROBLEM ON HERE > BEFORE, I> > DO NOT> > MEAN ANY KIND OF OFFENCE OR AM I SAYING THAT PEOPLE WHO HAVE > ADVISED ME> > BEFORE> > ARE WRONG OR NOT GENUINE, SOME OF YOU ARE RIGHT, BUT MY PLIGHT IS > STILL> > THERE,> > AND I REPOST OUT OF FRUSTRATION.> > > > i have contact many dozens of astrologers, in the last few months> > because, my> > life is a still mess, i have lost my job, my marriage has been a > mess> > and me and> > my wife dont talk and have not slept in the same bedroom for over > 10yrs,> > we are> > only together for sake of kids.,> > > > i know abt my mahadasa and antradasa etc, but i still believe > things can> > be done> > here and now.> > all astrologers have told me so many different things, i have paid > so> > much> > money,(in total i must of paid at least 3500pounds in the last > 12months> > in> > poojas, yagnas and chart readings and advice alone). yet i am no > better> > off in> > any respect,> > > >  i have done many prayers to all sorts of planets and gods, i have> > been told to> > spend more money on gemstones which vary from blue sapphire, red > coral,> > pearl,> > emerald, and diamond,, i have been told such things as shani or > rahu, or> > ketu,> > or sun or moon or jupiter or venus is affecting me,> > or to pay to have more poojas and yagnas done, i have been told > that i> > have been> > cursed, blackmagic, pitru curse, naag(cobra) curse, and many more > other> > things,> > > > i have been told that i should pray to my weaker(malefic) planets to> > make them> > stronger, or that i should NOT pray to my weaker(malefic) planets, > as> > praying to> > them will cause more harm as i am making them stronger to harm me > more,> > > > or that i should pray to my benefic planets to make them even > stronger,> > or that> > i should NOT pray to them as they are stronger anyway.> > > > I know there are many systems of looking at charts!!!> > > > i just need help, and the astrologer who help me sort my problems, > will> > see a> > share of my gains, as i will need guidance all my life.> > > > Also should an astrologer/priest get paid before any results are> > shown??? its> > like paying a doctor before he has given you medicine which works, > its> > like> > paying for machine to be repaired before you know it can be > repaired, or> > if the> > engineer has repaired it properly at all.(if you know what i mean)> > > > name divyesh parekh> > tob 18.28pm> > place mumbai india> > date 17th aug 1965> > been living in the uk since 1967> > > > wifes name kamlash parekh> > tob 2200pm> > place birmingham, UK> > date 28 feb 1968> > > > i want to truly know how to become wealthy and happy in my > marriage. I> > do> > believe a good astrologer/priest can tell me how to achieve all > this,> > even if my> > charts do not show it now, its just knowing the right mantra, right> > gemstone,> > right offering etc. thru the power of faith and prayer nothing is> > impossible. no> > matter what the charts say. its about having belief and commitment.> > > >  we also live in a materialistic world and even god knows that i> > have> > responsibilities to my family etc, so i cant spend 15hours a day > praying> > or> > spend all my money on poojas, yagnas etc.> > > > When i was young i knew a priest who could achieve anything, but > he> > has died> > many years ago,(he never asked for a penny) i saw him work miracles> > myself, my> > parents told me he was favoured by maa kali. and i have always said > that> > there> > must be another person like him on this planet,> > > > i have been to many holy places like haridwar, trirupati, and > gayagi,> > and many> > more. but have only empty promises or con men.> > > > My faith in god will never be questioned. shiva, vishnu, brahma and > maa> > shakti,> > and i will always believe in god, i will do my prayers till i die,> > > > again apologies sincerely i do not wish to offend, but i seek that > one> > true> > person for me,(maybe my future guru)> > > > regards> > divyesh> > vedic astrology/message/105854> > <vedic astrology/message/105854>> > > > > > > > regrds VR> >>

[Guest guest]

Dear Shri Vijaya Raghavanji,

Namaskar!

A couple of points from your post are intersting. You have said

 

<but now i am sure abt ur intention s bharath shud loose this skills

and u ppl can get a run over on hindus that is all ,why u negete

prathyaksha anubhva ???>

 

I have posted " Vedic astrology " --the greatest fraud on the Vedas,

speech-cum-article on this forum several times. It is also available

in the files section. It has been proved in that article beyond

all " the reasonablwe " (and even unreasonable!) doubts that predictive

gimmicks are/were never an indigenous product, leave alone a Vedic

product! I wonder whether you have read that post/article or not,

but it appears perhaps you do not read such posts deliberately, or if

you read them, you ignore them on purpose! In either case, please

reply that post/speech point by point and repudiate all my arguments

that to call predictive gimmicks as " Vedic astrology " is a fraud on

the Vedas!

 

I have also proved it scientficcally as to how unscientific predctive

gimmicks based on so called nakshatras and planets are. Pl. do

correct me if my contentions are wrong!

 

Second point is:

<i am rich than wat u think after 2 generation of humiliation frm u

ppl .and our generation is doing good>

 

This point has gone above my head! Maybe my IQ is not as high as

that of predictive astrologers, who can make correct predictions from

incorrect data! As such, pl. eluciate it.

With regards,

A K Kaul

 

, " lion_draco1983 "

<lion_draco1983 wrote:

>

>

>

>

> dear sanat or who ever u r ( because i dont know ur new christain

name )

>

>

>

> u r dancing around ,i posted everything clearly ,it was a post frm

vedic

> astrology grp where u r also a memebr and i said i can see clearly

the

> problems in his chart .

>

> so dont dance around ,i know u did understand ,u say u r only

scientific

> ,but now i am sure abt ur intention s bharath shud loose this

skills and

> u ppl can get a run over on hindus that is all ,why u negete

> prathyaksha anubhva ???is it scientific

>

>

>

> i stick with my challenge to u on my own way as i am interested

only in

> results than simple howling like a dog .

>

>

>

> so be ready or say u r finsihed .

>

>

>

> i dont need ur fees by god s grace .i am rich than wat u think

after 2

> generation of humiliation frm u ppl .and our generation is doing

good

>

>

>

> pls re reAD my mails .

>

> i dont hav time to argue or even type ,if u ready inform me ,i will

stay

> in grp for one week more.

>

>

>

> if u r ready u will b cleared of ur ignorence ( self imposed or

> finnced by some lobbies )

>

>

>

> regrds vijaya raghavan

, " sanat2221 "

> <sanatkumar_jain@> wrote:

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Dear divyesh ji,

> > Namaskar,

> > Thanks for your msgs.

> > Though I do not want to reply your msg. because I am not doing any

> > prediction. But your both msgs are contradicting where in your

first

> > msg you have highlighted your problems and about spending lot of

> > money on astrologers; and in 2nd msg you are saying that >>>>>i am

> > not the queriest nor looking for any predictions. i was asking

akk ji

> > and sanat ji who says they hav good command over vedic astrology

and

> > now says it is not in veda ,uapanishats or puranas and it is

> > humbug<<<<<<. So first of all please let me know in which msg or

in

> > which forum I claimed that I have a good command over Vedic

astrology

> > (for doing any prediction except for discussion). You can imagine

> > that when I am studying astrology since last +35 years and written

> > two original books than definitely I may be some what well aware,

but

> > I have never exploited with any Vaak Patuta (communication skill)

or

> > by negative prediction or remedy circus and so on. When I am

saying

> > that it is not in Ved it means something. If you, or your

astrologer

> > or friends have some patience (other then their business interest)

> > then they can discuss it.

> >

> > So far your problem is concerned; I will like to say that you may

> > continue to loose your money as long as you have money to fill the

> > stomach of astrologers. No body on Earth can help you so long you

> > have no wisdom to analyze a problem. Remember, problem it-self is

not

> > problem, it is our inability to find the proper solution. Planets

> > have nothing to do with your wife or your problem. So either you

must

> > know the bottom side story or you may wander from one astrologer

to

> > another. When one astrologer will suggest some remedy another will

> > suggest some another remedy. So continue with this remedy circus.

In

> > my opinion you are in need of a family counselor. However, you may

> > continue to take advice, whatever you think may be beneficial to

you.

> >

> > Regarding >>>>> and i can see problems clearly in his chart other

> > wise i am fed up with same mails of both of them all astro

> > forums<<<<<<< I will like to say that where you find my chart and

I

> > have neither asked you for my problem neither in this forum nor in

> > any other forum, otherwise like Sh Harish JI, you will also ask

for

> > fee. So far same msg is concerned, what can be done if every

member

> > like to have discussion from the very beginning and conveniently

> > observe silence just to show his greatness (but they are more

> > interested in their business). I can only suggest and request that

> > whenever you see my msg. you can simply skip it. OK. However, I

find

> > that you have just joined our forum. So I am unable to understand

> > your observations.

> >

> > Hope to read your msg. regularly.

> >

> > Thanks,

> >

> > Yours truly,

> > Sanat

> >

> >

> > , " lion_draco1983 "

> > lion_draco1983@ wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > dear kaul ji and sanat ji

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > pls dee this chart according to vedic astrology and giv us ur

> > comments

> > > .let us get back to exprnce of a person than excavating for so

> > called

> > > proofs as a culture which has gone tru various turmoil need not

hav

> > all

> > > supporting documents .

> > >

> > > Now i am a student ( means not regular but arm chair ) of

> > astrology .

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > see his moon dasa and see his debilated venus and its aspect on

dasa

> > > Lord and his life exprnce

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > here is the post .

> > >

> > > dear sir/madam

> > > PLEASE DO NOT GET OFFENDED AS I HAVE POSTED MY PROBLEM ON HERE

> > BEFORE, I

> > > DO NOT

> > > MEAN ANY KIND OF OFFENCE OR AM I SAYING THAT PEOPLE WHO HAVE

> > ADVISED ME

> > > BEFORE

> > > ARE WRONG OR NOT GENUINE, SOME OF YOU ARE RIGHT, BUT MY PLIGHT

IS

> > STILL

> > > THERE,

> > > AND I REPOST OUT OF FRUSTRATION.

> > >

> > > i have contact many dozens of astrologers, in the last few

months

> > > because, my

> > > life is a still mess, i have lost my job, my marriage has been a

> > mess

> > > and me and

> > > my wife dont talk and have not slept in the same bedroom for

over

> > 10yrs,

> > > we are

> > > only together for sake of kids.,

> > >

> > > i know abt my mahadasa and antradasa etc, but i still believe

> > things can

> > > be done

> > > here and now.

> > > all astrologers have told me so many different things, i have

paid

> > so

> > > much

> > > money,(in total i must of paid at least 3500pounds in the last

> > 12months

> > > in

> > > poojas, yagnas and chart readings and advice alone). yet i am no

> > better

> > > off in

> > > any respect,

> > >

> > > Â i have done many prayers to all sorts of planets and gods, i

> have

> > > been told to

> > > spend more money on gemstones which vary from blue sapphire, red

> > coral,

> > > pearl,

> > > emerald, and diamond,, i have been told such things as shani or

> > rahu, or

> > > ketu,

> > > or sun or moon or jupiter or venus is affecting me,

> > > or to pay to have more poojas and yagnas done, i have been told

> > that i

> > > have been

> > > cursed, blackmagic, pitru curse, naag(cobra) curse, and many

more

> > other

> > > things,

> > >

> > > i have been told that i should pray to my weaker(malefic)

planets to

> > > make them

> > > stronger, or that i should NOT pray to my weaker(malefic)

planets,

> > as

> > > praying to

> > > them will cause more harm as i am making them stronger to harm

me

> > more,

> > >

> > > or that i should pray to my benefic planets to make them even

> > stronger,

> > > or that

> > > i should NOT pray to them as they are stronger anyway.

> > >

> > > I know there are many systems of looking at charts!!!

> > >

> > > i just need help, and the astrologer who help me sort my

problems,

> > will

> > > see a

> > > share of my gains, as i will need guidance all my life.

> > >

> > > Also should an astrologer/priest get paid before any results are

> > > shown??? its

> > > like paying a doctor before he has given you medicine which

works,

> > its

> > > like

> > > paying for machine to be repaired before you know it can be

> > repaired, or

> > > if the

> > > engineer has repaired it properly at all.(if you know what i

mean)

> > >

> > > name divyesh parekh

> > > tob 18.28pm

> > > place mumbai india

> > > date 17th aug 1965

> > > been living in the uk since 1967

> > >

> > > wifes name kamlash parekh

> > > tob 2200pm

> > > place birmingham, UK

> > > date 28 feb 1968

> > >

> > > i want to truly know how to become wealthy and happy in my

> > marriage. I

> > > do

> > > believe a good astrologer/priest can tell me how to achieve all

> > this,

> > > even if my

> > > charts do not show it now, its just knowing the right mantra,

right

> > > gemstone,

> > > right offering etc. thru the power of faith and prayer nothing

is

> > > impossible. no

> > > matter what the charts say. its about having belief and

commitment.

> > >

> > > Â we also live in a materialistic world and even god knows that

i

> > > have

> > > responsibilities to my family etc, so i cant spend 15hours a day

> > praying

> > > or

> > > spend all my money on poojas, yagnas etc.

> > >

> > > When i was young i knew a priest who could achieve anything,Â

but

> > he

> > > has died

> > > many years ago,(he never asked for a penny) i saw him work

miracles

> > > myself, my

> > > parents told me he was favoured by maa kali. and i have always

said

> > that

> > > there

> > > must be another person like him on this planet,

> > >

> > > i have been to many holy places like haridwar, trirupati, and

> > gayagi,

> > > and many

> > > more. but have only empty promises or con men.

> > >

> > > My faith in god will never be questioned. shiva, vishnu, brahma

and

> > maa

> > > shakti,

> > > and i will always believe in god, i will do my prayers till i

die,

> > >

> > > again apologies sincerely i do not wish to offend, but i seek

that

> > one

> > > true

> > > person for me,(maybe my future guru)

> > >

> > > regards

> > > divyesh

> > > vedic astrology/message/105854

> > > <vedic astrology/message/105854>

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > regrds VR

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

oh ,what an idea sir ji

 

u pick some convenient sentences ( also incomplete ) which is adressed to some one and trying to answer me .

 

i recommnd u read my all mails posted in grp and come than i read ur posts .

 

or get a check up done or confess ( u will lov it ) to the grp of u r real intentions .

 

dont expect me to fall in ur trap and i will show u origiality in anubhava and then i will answer u all u r points later ,not now .This is a promise .

 

happy week end to u

 

regrds vijaya raghavan

, "Avtar Krishen Kaul" <jyotirved wrote:>> Dear Shri Vijaya Raghavanji,> Namaskar!> A couple of points from your post are intersting. You have said> > <but now i am sure abt ur intention s bharath shud loose this skills > and u ppl can get a run over on hindus that is all ,why u negete > prathyaksha anubhva ???>> > I have posted "Vedic astrology"--the greatest fraud on the Vedas, > speech-cum-article on this forum several times. It is also available > in the files section. It has been proved in that article beyond > all "the reasonablwe" (and even unreasonable!) doubts that predictive > gimmicks are/were never an indigenous product, leave alone a Vedic > product! I wonder whether you have read that post/article or not, > but it appears perhaps you do not read such posts deliberately, or if > you read them, you ignore them on purpose! In either case, please > reply that post/speech point by point and repudiate all my arguments > that to call predictive gimmicks as "Vedic astrology" is a fraud on > the Vedas!> > I have also proved it scientficcally as to how unscientific predctive > gimmicks based on so called nakshatras and planets are. Pl. do > correct me if my contentions are wrong! > > Second point is:> <i am rich than wat u think after 2 generation of humiliation frm u > ppl .and our generation is doing good>> > This point has gone above my head! Maybe my IQ is not as high as > that of predictive astrologers, who can make correct predictions from > incorrect data! As such, pl. eluciate it.> With regards,> A K Kaul> > , "lion_draco1983" > lion_draco1983@ wrote:> >> > > > > > > > dear sanat or who ever u r ( because i dont know ur new christain > name )> > > > > > > > u r dancing around ,i posted everything clearly ,it was a post frm > vedic> > astrology grp where u r also a memebr and i said i can see clearly > the> > problems in his chart .> > > > so dont dance around ,i know u did understand ,u say u r only > scientific> > ,but now i am sure abt ur intention s bharath shud loose this > skills and> > u ppl can get a run over on hindus that is all ,why u negete> > prathyaksha anubhva ???is it scientific> > > > > > > > i stick with my challenge to u on my own way as i am interested > only in> > results than simple howling like a dog .> > > > > > > > so be ready or say u r finsihed .> > > > > > > > i dont need ur fees by god s grace .i am rich than wat u think > after 2> > generation of humiliation frm u ppl .and our generation is doing > good> > > > > > > > pls re reAD my mails .> > > > i dont hav time to argue or even type ,if u ready inform me ,i will > stay> > in grp for one week more.> > > > > > > > if u r ready u will b cleared of ur ignorence ( self imposed or> > finnced by some lobbies )> > > > > > > > regrds vijaya raghavan> > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "sanat2221"> > <sanatkumar_jain@> wrote:> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > Dear divyesh ji,> > > Namaskar,> > > Thanks for your msgs.> > > Though I do not want to reply your msg. because I am not doing any> > > prediction. But your both msgs are contradicting where in your > first> > > msg you have highlighted your problems and about spending lot of> > > money on astrologers; and in 2nd msg you are saying that >>>>>i am> > > not the queriest nor looking for any predictions. i was asking > akk ji> > > and sanat ji who says they hav good command over vedic astrology > and> > > now says it is not in veda ,uapanishats or puranas and it is> > > humbug<<<<<<. So first of all please let me know in which msg or > in> > > which forum I claimed that I have a good command over Vedic > astrology> > > (for doing any prediction except for discussion). You can imagine> > > that when I am studying astrology since last +35 years and written> > > two original books than definitely I may be some what well aware, > but> > > I have never exploited with any Vaak Patuta (communication skill) > or> > > by negative prediction or remedy circus and so on. When I am > saying> > > that it is not in Ved it means something. If you, or your > astrologer> > > or friends have some patience (other then their business interest)> > > then they can discuss it.> > >> > > So far your problem is concerned; I will like to say that you may> > > continue to loose your money as long as you have money to fill the> > > stomach of astrologers. No body on Earth can help you so long you> > > have no wisdom to analyze a problem. Remember, problem it-self is > not> > > problem, it is our inability to find the proper solution. Planets> > > have nothing to do with your wife or your problem. So either you > must> > > know the bottom side story or you may wander from one astrologer > to> > > another. When one astrologer will suggest some remedy another will> > > suggest some another remedy. So continue with this remedy circus. > In> > > my opinion you are in need of a family counselor. However, you may> > > continue to take advice, whatever you think may be beneficial to > you.> > >> > > Regarding >>>>> and i can see problems clearly in his chart other> > > wise i am fed up with same mails of both of them all astro> > > forums<<<<<<< I will like to say that where you find my chart and > I> > > have neither asked you for my problem neither in this forum nor in> > > any other forum, otherwise like Sh Harish JI, you will also ask > for> > > fee. So far same msg is concerned, what can be done if every > member> > > like to have discussion from the very beginning and conveniently> > > observe silence just to show his greatness (but they are more> > > interested in their business). I can only suggest and request that> > > whenever you see my msg. you can simply skip it. OK. However, I > find> > > that you have just joined our forum. So I am unable to understand> > > your observations.> > >> > > Hope to read your msg. regularly.> > >> > > Thanks,> > >> > > Yours truly,> > > Sanat> > >> > >> > > , "lion_draco1983"> > > lion_draco1983@ wrote:> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > dear kaul ji and sanat ji> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > pls dee this chart according to vedic astrology and giv us ur> > > comments> > > > .let us get back to exprnce of a person than excavating for so> > > called> > > > proofs as a culture which has gone tru various turmoil need not > hav> > > all> > > > supporting documents .> > > >> > > > Now i am a student ( means not regular but arm chair ) of> > > astrology .> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > see his moon dasa and see his debilated venus and its aspect on > dasa> > > > Lord and his life exprnce> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > here is the post .> > > >> > > > dear sir/madam> > > > PLEASE DO NOT GET OFFENDED AS I HAVE POSTED MY PROBLEM ON HERE> > > BEFORE, I> > > > DO NOT> > > > MEAN ANY KIND OF OFFENCE OR AM I SAYING THAT PEOPLE WHO HAVE> > > ADVISED ME> > > > BEFORE> > > > ARE WRONG OR NOT GENUINE, SOME OF YOU ARE RIGHT, BUT MY PLIGHT > IS> > > STILL> > > > THERE,> > > > AND I REPOST OUT OF FRUSTRATION.> > > >> > > > i have contact many dozens of astrologers, in the last few > months> > > > because, my> > > > life is a still mess, i have lost my job, my marriage has been a> > > mess> > > > and me and> > > > my wife dont talk and have not slept in the same bedroom for > over> > > 10yrs,> > > > we are> > > > only together for sake of kids.,> > > >> > > > i know abt my mahadasa and antradasa etc, but i still believe> > > things can> > > > be done> > > > here and now.> > > > all astrologers have told me so many different things, i have > paid> > > so> > > > much> > > > money,(in total i must of paid at least 3500pounds in the last> > > 12months> > > > in> > > > poojas, yagnas and chart readings and advice alone). yet i am no> > > better> > > > off in> > > > any respect,> > > >> > > >  i have done many prayers to all sorts of planets and gods, i> > have> > > > been told to> > > > spend more money on gemstones which vary from blue sapphire, red> > > coral,> > > > pearl,> > > > emerald, and diamond,, i have been told such things as shani or> > > rahu, or> > > > ketu,> > > > or sun or moon or jupiter or venus is affecting me,> > > > or to pay to have more poojas and yagnas done, i have been told> > > that i> > > > have been> > > > cursed, blackmagic, pitru curse, naag(cobra) curse, and many > more> > > other> > > > things,> > > >> > > > i have been told that i should pray to my weaker(malefic) > planets to> > > > make them> > > > stronger, or that i should NOT pray to my weaker(malefic) > planets,> > > as> > > > praying to> > > > them will cause more harm as i am making them stronger to harm > me> > > more,> > > >> > > > or that i should pray to my benefic planets to make them even> > > stronger,> > > > or that> > > > i should NOT pray to them as they are stronger anyway.> > > >> > > > I know there are many systems of looking at charts!!!> > > >> > > > i just need help, and the astrologer who help me sort my > problems,> > > will> > > > see a> > > > share of my gains, as i will need guidance all my life.> > > >> > > > Also should an astrologer/priest get paid before any results are> > > > shown??? its> > > > like paying a doctor before he has given you medicine which > works,> > > its> > > > like> > > > paying for machine to be repaired before you know it can be> > > repaired, or> > > > if the> > > > engineer has repaired it properly at all.(if you know what i > mean)> > > >> > > > name divyesh parekh> > > > tob 18.28pm> > > > place mumbai india> > > > date 17th aug 1965> > > > been living in the uk since 1967> > > >> > > > wifes name kamlash parekh> > > > tob 2200pm> > > > place birmingham, UK> > > > date 28 feb 1968> > > >> > > > i want to truly know how to become wealthy and happy in my> > > marriage. I> > > > do> > > > believe a good astrologer/priest can tell me how to achieve all> > > this,> > > > even if my> > > > charts do not show it now, its just knowing the right mantra, > right> > > > gemstone,> > > > right offering etc. thru the power of faith and prayer nothing > is> > > > impossible. no> > > > matter what the charts say. its about having belief and > commitment.> > > >> > > >  we also live in a materialistic world and even god knows that > i> > > > have> > > > responsibilities to my family etc, so i cant spend 15hours a day> > > praying> > > > or> > > > spend all my money on poojas, yagnas etc.> > > >> > > > When i was young i knew a priest who could achieve anything, > but> > > he> > > > has died> > > > many years ago,(he never asked for a penny) i saw him work > miracles> > > > myself, my> > > > parents told me he was favoured by maa kali. and i have always > said> > > that> > > > there> > > > must be another person like him on this planet,> > > >> > > > i have been to many holy places like haridwar, trirupati, and> > > gayagi,> > > > and many> > > > more. but have only empty promises or con men.> > > >> > > > My faith in god will never be questioned. shiva, vishnu, brahma > and> > > maa> > > > shakti,> > > > and i will always believe in god, i will do my prayers till i > die,> > > >> > > > again apologies sincerely i do not wish to offend, but i seek > that> > > one> > > > true> > > > person for me,(maybe my future guru)> > > >> > > > regards> > > > divyesh> > > > vedic astrology/message/105854> > > > <vedic astrology/message/105854>> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > regrds VR> > > >> > >> >>

[Guest guest]

, " Avtar Krishen Kaul "

<jyotirved wrote:

 

Dear Shri Vijaya Raghavanji,

Namaskar!

A couple of points from your post are intersting. You have said

 

<but now i am sure abt ur intention s bharath shud loose this skills

and u ppl can get a run over on hindus that is all ,why u negete

prathyaksha anubhva ???>

 

I have posted " Vedic astrology " --the greatest fraud on the Vedas,

speech-cum-article on this forum several times. It is also available

in the files section. It has been proved in that article beyond

all " the reasonablwe " (and even unreasonable!) doubts that predictive

gimmicks are/were never an indigenous product, leave alone a Vedic

product! I wonder whether you have read that post/article or not,

but it appears perhaps you do not read such posts deliberately, or if

you read them, you ignore them on purpose! In either case, please

reply that post/speech point by point and repudiate all my arguments

that to call predictive gimmicks as " Vedic astrology " is a fraud on

the Vedas!

 

I have also proved it scientficcally as to how unscientific predctive

gimmicks based on so called nakshatras and planets are. Pl. do

correct me if my contentions are wrong!

 

Second point is:

<i am rich than wat u think after 2 generation of humiliation frm u

ppl .and our generation is doing good>

 

This point has gone above my head! Maybe my IQ is not as high as

that of predictive astrologers, who can make correct predictions from

incorrect data! As such, pl. eluciate it.

With regards,

A K Kaul

 

, " lion_draco1983 "

<lion_draco1983@> wrote:

>

>

>

>

> dear sanat or who ever u r ( because i dont know ur new christain

name )

>

>

>

> u r dancing around ,i posted everything clearly ,it was a post frm

vedic

> astrology grp where u r also a memebr and i said i can see clearly

the

> problems in his chart .

>

> so dont dance around ,i know u did understand ,u say u r only

scientific

> ,but now i am sure abt ur intention s bharath shud loose this

skills and

> u ppl can get a run over on hindus that is all ,why u negete

> prathyaksha anubhva ???is it scientific

>

>

>

> i stick with my challenge to u on my own way as i am interested

only in

> results than simple howling like a dog .

>

>

>

> so be ready or say u r finsihed .

>

>

>

> i dont need ur fees by god s grace .i am rich than wat u think

after 2

> generation of humiliation frm u ppl .and our generation is doing

good

>

>

>

> pls re reAD my mails .

>

> i dont hav time to argue or even type ,if u ready inform me ,i will

stay

> in grp for one week more.

>

>

>

> if u r ready u will b cleared of ur ignorence ( self imposed or

> finnced by some lobbies )

>

>

>

> regrds vijaya raghavan

, " sanat2221 "

> <sanatkumar_jain@> wrote:

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Dear divyesh ji,

> > Namaskar,

> > Thanks for your msgs.

> > Though I do not want to reply your msg. because I am not doing any

> > prediction. But your both msgs are contradicting where in your

first

> > msg you have highlighted your problems and about spending lot of

> > money on astrologers; and in 2nd msg you are saying that >>>>>i am

> > not the queriest nor looking for any predictions. i was asking

akk ji

> > and sanat ji who says they hav good command over vedic astrology

and

> > now says it is not in veda ,uapanishats or puranas and it is

> > humbug<<<<<<. So first of all please let me know in which msg or

in

> > which forum I claimed that I have a good command over Vedic

astrology

> > (for doing any prediction except for discussion). You can imagine

> > that when I am studying astrology since last +35 years and written

> > two original books than definitely I may be some what well aware,

but

> > I have never exploited with any Vaak Patuta (communication skill)

or

> > by negative prediction or remedy circus and so on. When I am

saying

> > that it is not in Ved it means something. If you, or your

astrologer

> > or friends have some patience (other then their business interest)

> > then they can discuss it.

> >

> > So far your problem is concerned; I will like to say that you may

> > continue to loose your money as long as you have money to fill the

> > stomach of astrologers. No body on Earth can help you so long you

> > have no wisdom to analyze a problem. Remember, problem it-self is

not

> > problem, it is our inability to find the proper solution. Planets

> > have nothing to do with your wife or your problem. So either you

must

> > know the bottom side story or you may wander from one astrologer

to

> > another. When one astrologer will suggest some remedy another will

> > suggest some another remedy. So continue with this remedy circus.

In

> > my opinion you are in need of a family counselor. However, you may

> > continue to take advice, whatever you think may be beneficial to

you.

> >

> > Regarding >>>>> and i can see problems clearly in his chart other

> > wise i am fed up with same mails of both of them all astro

> > forums<<<<<<< I will like to say that where you find my chart and

I

> > have neither asked you for my problem neither in this forum nor in

> > any other forum, otherwise like Sh Harish JI, you will also ask

for

> > fee. So far same msg is concerned, what can be done if every

member

> > like to have discussion from the very beginning and conveniently

> > observe silence just to show his greatness (but they are more

> > interested in their business). I can only suggest and request that

> > whenever you see my msg. you can simply skip it. OK. However, I

find

> > that you have just joined our forum. So I am unable to understand

> > your observations.

> >

> > Hope to read your msg. regularly.

> >

> > Thanks,

> >

> > Yours truly,

> > Sanat

> >

> >

> > , " lion_draco1983 "

> > lion_draco1983@ wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > dear kaul ji and sanat ji

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > pls dee this chart according to vedic astrology and giv us ur

> > comments

> > > .let us get back to exprnce of a person than excavating for so

> > called

> > > proofs as a culture which has gone tru various turmoil need not

hav

> > all

> > > supporting documents .

> > >

> > > Now i am a student ( means not regular but arm chair ) of

> > astrology .

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > see his moon dasa and see his debilated venus and its aspect on

dasa

> > > Lord and his life exprnce

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > here is the post .

> > >

> > > dear sir/madam

> > > PLEASE DO NOT GET OFFENDED AS I HAVE POSTED MY PROBLEM ON HERE

> > BEFORE, I

> > > DO NOT

> > > MEAN ANY KIND OF OFFENCE OR AM I SAYING THAT PEOPLE WHO HAVE

> > ADVISED ME

> > > BEFORE

> > > ARE WRONG OR NOT GENUINE, SOME OF YOU ARE RIGHT, BUT MY PLIGHT

IS

> > STILL

> > > THERE,

> > > AND I REPOST OUT OF FRUSTRATION.

> > >

> > > i have contact many dozens of astrologers, in the last few

months

> > > because, my

> > > life is a still mess, i have lost my job, my marriage has been a

> > mess

> > > and me and

> > > my wife dont talk and have not slept in the same bedroom for

over

> > 10yrs,

> > > we are

> > > only together for sake of kids.,

> > >

> > > i know abt my mahadasa and antradasa etc, but i still believe

> > things can

> > > be done

> > > here and now.

> > > all astrologers have told me so many different things, i have

paid

> > so

> > > much

> > > money,(in total i must of paid at least 3500pounds in the last

> > 12months

> > > in

> > > poojas, yagnas and chart readings and advice alone). yet i am no

> > better

> > > off in

> > > any respect,

> > >

> > > Â i have done many prayers to all sorts of planets and gods, i

> have

> > > been told to

> > > spend more money on gemstones which vary from blue sapphire, red

> > coral,

> > > pearl,

> > > emerald, and diamond,, i have been told such things as shani or

> > rahu, or

> > > ketu,

> > > or sun or moon or jupiter or venus is affecting me,

> > > or to pay to have more poojas and yagnas done, i have been told

> > that i

> > > have been

> > > cursed, blackmagic, pitru curse, naag(cobra) curse, and many

more

> > other

> > > things,

> > >

> > > i have been told that i should pray to my weaker(malefic)

planets to

> > > make them

> > > stronger, or that i should NOT pray to my weaker(malefic)

planets,

> > as

> > > praying to

> > > them will cause more harm as i am making them stronger to harm

me

> > more,

> > >

> > > or that i should pray to my benefic planets to make them even

> > stronger,

> > > or that

> > > i should NOT pray to them as they are stronger anyway.

> > >

> > > I know there are many systems of looking at charts!!!

> > >

> > > i just need help, and the astrologer who help me sort my

problems,

> > will

> > > see a

> > > share of my gains, as i will need guidance all my life.

> > >

> > > Also should an astrologer/priest get paid before any results are

> > > shown??? its

> > > like paying a doctor before he has given you medicine which

works,

> > its

> > > like

> > > paying for machine to be repaired before you know it can be

> > repaired, or

> > > if the

> > > engineer has repaired it properly at all.(if you know what i

mean)

> > >

> > > name divyesh parekh

> > > tob 18.28pm

> > > place mumbai india

> > > date 17th aug 1965

> > > been living in the uk since 1967

> > >

> > > wifes name kamlash parekh

> > > tob 2200pm

> > > place birmingham, UK

> > > date 28 feb 1968

> > >

> > > i want to truly know how to become wealthy and happy in my

> > marriage. I

> > > do

> > > believe a good astrologer/priest can tell me how to achieve all

> > this,

> > > even if my

> > > charts do not show it now, its just knowing the right mantra,

right

> > > gemstone,

> > > right offering etc. thru the power of faith and prayer nothing

is

> > > impossible. no

> > > matter what the charts say. its about having belief and

commitment.

> > >

> > > Â we also live in a materialistic world and even god knows that

i

> > > have

> > > responsibilities to my family etc, so i cant spend 15hours a day

> > praying

> > > or

> > > spend all my money on poojas, yagnas etc.

> > >

> > > When i was young i knew a priest who could achieve anything,Â

but

> > he

> > > has died

> > > many years ago,(he never asked for a penny) i saw him work

miracles

> > > myself, my

> > > parents told me he was favoured by maa kali. and i have always

said

> > that

> > > there

> > > must be another person like him on this planet,

> > >

> > > i have been to many holy places like haridwar, trirupati, and

> > gayagi,

> > > and many

> > > more. but have only empty promises or con men.

> > >

> > > My faith in god will never be questioned. shiva, vishnu, brahma

and

> > maa

> > > shakti,

> > > and i will always believe in god, i will do my prayers till i

die,

> > >

> > > again apologies sincerely i do not wish to offend, but i seek

that

> > one

> > > true

> > > person for me,(maybe my future guru)

> > >

> > > regards

> > > divyesh

> > > vedic astrology/message/105854

> > > <vedic astrology/message/105854>

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > regrds VR

> > >

> >

>

 

--- End forwarded message ---

[Guest guest]

Dear Raghvan ji,

Namaskar,

First of all sorry for my msg of 2-10-8, which was in response to

your first msg. dated 30-9-08 (which was also your date of joining in

this forum). In my reply I was confused as to who is the writer,

because you have neither mentioned your name in the membership menu

nor in the msg. nor you bothered to introduce your-self. So it is a

matter of wrong identity. Thus you can very well eliminate irrelevant

matter from my msg. of 2-10-8.

 

I will not offer any reply on your abusive language, because this

forum is meant for academic discussion and I will not allow it to

turn in to the fight of street dogs. I have no objection for your

staying more then a weak >>>>> i will stay in grp for one week

more.<<<<< but you have to behave properly. I think we have no

previous discussion on the matter hence I am unable to answer any

irrelevant point. Sh AK Kaul ji has correctly replied your msg. and

thereafter I have nothing to say.

 

Be careful in writing, limit your writings to astrological

principles, behave properly, it is my first and last warning.

Otherwise, next time I will terminate your membership. I am watching

your msg. Try to learn, how to write a msg. from the msgs of Sh.

Prabhakar ji. Difference of opinion is one thing. I always welcome

such difference. Rather I am continuously inviting astrologers, not

for supporting me but to have proper interaction on various points

related to predictive astrology. But abusive language is different

and can never be allowed during serious interactions.

 

Thanks,

 

Yours truly,

 

Sanat

 

 

 

, " lion_draco1983 "

<lion_draco1983 wrote:

>

>

>

>

> dear sanat or who ever u r ( because i dont know ur new christain

name )

>

>

>

> u r dancing around ,i posted everything clearly ,it was a post frm

vedic

> astrology grp where u r also a memebr and i said i can see clearly

the

> problems in his chart .

>

> so dont dance around ,i know u did understand ,u say u r only

scientific

> ,but now i am sure abt ur intention s bharath shud loose this

skills and

> u ppl can get a run over on hindus that is all ,why u negete

> prathyaksha anubhva ???is it scientific

>

>

>

> i stick with my challenge to u on my own way as i am interested

only in

> results than simple howling like a dog .

>

>

>

> so be ready or say u r finsihed .

>

>

>

> i dont need ur fees by god s grace .i am rich than wat u think

after 2

> generation of humiliation frm u ppl .and our generation is doing

good

>

>

>

> pls re reAD my mails .

>

> i dont hav time to argue or even type ,if u ready inform me ,i will

stay

> in grp for one week more.

>

>

>

> if u r ready u will b cleared of ur ignorence ( self imposed or

> finnced by some lobbies )

>

>

>

> regrds vijaya raghavan

, " sanat2221 "

> <sanatkumar_jain@> wrote:

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Dear divyesh ji,

> > Namaskar,

> > Thanks for your msgs.

> > Though I do not want to reply your msg. because I am not doing any

> > prediction. But your both msgs are contradicting where in your

first

> > msg you have highlighted your problems and about spending lot of

> > money on astrologers; and in 2nd msg you are saying that >>>>>i am

> > not the queriest nor looking for any predictions. i was asking

akk ji

> > and sanat ji who says they hav good command over vedic astrology

and

> > now says it is not in veda ,uapanishats or puranas and it is

> > humbug<<<<<<. So first of all please let me know in which msg or

in

> > which forum I claimed that I have a good command over Vedic

astrology

> > (for doing any prediction except for discussion). You can imagine

> > that when I am studying astrology since last +35 years and written

> > two original books than definitely I may be some what well aware,

but

> > I have never exploited with any Vaak Patuta (communication skill)

or

> > by negative prediction or remedy circus and so on. When I am

saying

> > that it is not in Ved it means something. If you, or your

astrologer

> > or friends have some patience (other then their business interest)

> > then they can discuss it.

> >

> > So far your problem is concerned; I will like to say that you may

> > continue to loose your money as long as you have money to fill the

> > stomach of astrologers. No body on Earth can help you so long you

> > have no wisdom to analyze a problem. Remember, problem it-self is

not

> > problem, it is our inability to find the proper solution. Planets

> > have nothing to do with your wife or your problem. So either you

must

> > know the bottom side story or you may wander from one astrologer

to

> > another. When one astrologer will suggest some remedy another will

> > suggest some another remedy. So continue with this remedy circus.

In

> > my opinion you are in need of a family counselor. However, you may

> > continue to take advice, whatever you think may be beneficial to

you.

> >

> > Regarding >>>>> and i can see problems clearly in his chart other

> > wise i am fed up with same mails of both of them all astro

> > forums<<<<<<< I will like to say that where you find my chart and

I

> > have neither asked you for my problem neither in this forum nor in

> > any other forum, otherwise like Sh Harish JI, you will also ask

for

> > fee. So far same msg is concerned, what can be done if every

member

> > like to have discussion from the very beginning and conveniently

> > observe silence just to show his greatness (but they are more

> > interested in their business). I can only suggest and request that

> > whenever you see my msg. you can simply skip it. OK. However, I

find

> > that you have just joined our forum. So I am unable to understand

> > your observations.

> >

> > Hope to read your msg. regularly.

> >

> > Thanks,

> >

> > Yours truly,

> > Sanat

> >

> >

> > , " lion_draco1983 "

> > lion_draco1983@ wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > dear kaul ji and sanat ji

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > pls dee this chart according to vedic astrology and giv us ur

> > comments

> > > .let us get back to exprnce of a person than excavating for so

> > called

> > > proofs as a culture which has gone tru various turmoil need not

hav

> > all

> > > supporting documents .

> > >

> > > Now i am a student ( means not regular but arm chair ) of

> > astrology .

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > see his moon dasa and see his debilated venus and its aspect on

dasa

> > > Lord and his life exprnce

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > here is the post .

> > >

> > > dear sir/madam

> > > PLEASE DO NOT GET OFFENDED AS I HAVE POSTED MY PROBLEM ON HERE

> > BEFORE, I

> > > DO NOT

> > > MEAN ANY KIND OF OFFENCE OR AM I SAYING THAT PEOPLE WHO HAVE

> > ADVISED ME

> > > BEFORE

> > > ARE WRONG OR NOT GENUINE, SOME OF YOU ARE RIGHT, BUT MY PLIGHT

IS

> > STILL

> > > THERE,

> > > AND I REPOST OUT OF FRUSTRATION.

> > >

> > > i have contact many dozens of astrologers, in the last few

months

> > > because, my

> > > life is a still mess, i have lost my job, my marriage has been a

> > mess

> > > and me and

> > > my wife dont talk and have not slept in the same bedroom for

over

> > 10yrs,

> > > we are

> > > only together for sake of kids.,

> > >

> > > i know abt my mahadasa and antradasa etc, but i still believe

> > things can

> > > be done

> > > here and now.

> > > all astrologers have told me so many different things, i have

paid

> > so

> > > much

> > > money,(in total i must of paid at least 3500pounds in the last

> > 12months

> > > in

> > > poojas, yagnas and chart readings and advice alone). yet i am no

> > better

> > > off in

> > > any respect,

> > >

> > > Â i have done many prayers to all sorts of planets and gods, i

> have

> > > been told to

> > > spend more money on gemstones which vary from blue sapphire, red

> > coral,

> > > pearl,

> > > emerald, and diamond,, i have been told such things as shani or

> > rahu, or

> > > ketu,

> > > or sun or moon or jupiter or venus is affecting me,

> > > or to pay to have more poojas and yagnas done, i have been told

> > that i

> > > have been

> > > cursed, blackmagic, pitru curse, naag(cobra) curse, and many

more

> > other

> > > things,

> > >

> > > i have been told that i should pray to my weaker(malefic)

planets to

> > > make them

> > > stronger, or that i should NOT pray to my weaker(malefic)

planets,

> > as

> > > praying to

> > > them will cause more harm as i am making them stronger to harm

me

> > more,

> > >

> > > or that i should pray to my benefic planets to make them even

> > stronger,

> > > or that

> > > i should NOT pray to them as they are stronger anyway.

> > >

> > > I know there are many systems of looking at charts!!!

> > >

> > > i just need help, and the astrologer who help me sort my

problems,

> > will

> > > see a

> > > share of my gains, as i will need guidance all my life.

> > >

> > > Also should an astrologer/priest get paid before any results are

> > > shown??? its

> > > like paying a doctor before he has given you medicine which

works,

> > its

> > > like

> > > paying for machine to be repaired before you know it can be

> > repaired, or

> > > if the

> > > engineer has repaired it properly at all.(if you know what i

mean)

> > >

> > > name divyesh parekh

> > > tob 18.28pm

> > > place mumbai india

> > > date 17th aug 1965

> > > been living in the uk since 1967

> > >

> > > wifes name kamlash parekh

> > > tob 2200pm

> > > place birmingham, UK

> > > date 28 feb 1968

> > >

> > > i want to truly know how to become wealthy and happy in my

> > marriage. I

> > > do

> > > believe a good astrologer/priest can tell me how to achieve all

> > this,

> > > even if my

> > > charts do not show it now, its just knowing the right mantra,

right

> > > gemstone,

> > > right offering etc. thru the power of faith and prayer nothing

is

> > > impossible. no

> > > matter what the charts say. its about having belief and

commitment.

> > >

> > > Â we also live in a materialistic world and even god knows that

i

> > > have

> > > responsibilities to my family etc, so i cant spend 15hours a day

> > praying

> > > or

> > > spend all my money on poojas, yagnas etc.

> > >

> > > When i was young i knew a priest who could achieve anything,Â

but

> > he

> > > has died

> > > many years ago,(he never asked for a penny) i saw him work

miracles

> > > myself, my

> > > parents told me he was favoured by maa kali. and i have always

said

> > that

> > > there

> > > must be another person like him on this planet,

> > >

> > > i have been to many holy places like haridwar, trirupati, and

> > gayagi,

> > > and many

> > > more. but have only empty promises or con men.

> > >

> > > My faith in god will never be questioned. shiva, vishnu, brahma

and

> > maa

> > > shakti,

> > > and i will always believe in god, i will do my prayers till i

die,

> > >

> > > again apologies sincerely i do not wish to offend, but i seek

that

> > one

> > > true

> > > person for me,(maybe my future guru)

> > >

> > > regards

> > > divyesh

> > > vedic astrology/message/105854

> > > <vedic astrology/message/105854>

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > regrds VR

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Mr .sanat

 

thanks for ur response and warning

 

I dont understand still what u mean by scientific as u not ready to see any results on actual basis .now let me repeat .

 

i posted a chart 4 days back ( and till today u or sri AKK or none of ur cronies never bothered to reply me ) and i will pick more charts frm vedic astro grps ( as i hav memebrship in all prime grps and i will quote even messge numbers and date for ur convenience ) which is posted by diffrnt ppl who came for predictions .so u can see all those charts and tell me were it is not working since u said u r 35 yrs in astrology and as u find it is not working and AKK ji was in astro since generations and he also find it is not working and that is the reasons u go to veda s and other literature and find that this is mass cheating system .so proove me that first ( and u can check the where abts abt queriests urself and satisfied then only u need to step into it .)

 

after considering various chart for a yr or let us fix a time ,see the probablity and correctness ( even i will participate -simple 18 months exprnced man than ur tall claims ,may b into predictiv part of astro as i find it is very well working in our treatments ,as i am an ayurvedic by profession ) ,

 

kerala ayurvedic by generations and our ancesters suffered similar queries ( insults ) to proov scientificaly . how oil applied over the body is working for inside the body ??how it can cure epilepsy ??how it can cure mental problems ,does any one is fool to think this herb we find in street which cost u nothing ( those days ) can cure ,it is humbug to devil worship etc etc ,and using coconut oil ( we r giving upto 200ml of ghee daily in some treatments and after full cource is finished no cholostrol u can find by modern methods -i mean un usual --so what u proove ghee has fat or not ???) in medicine can kill u as it has highest cholestol -those days medias and these kind of ppl ( now u r doing for diffrnt indian science ) and we dont hav any voice those as we dont own any print media which was very power ful those days .)That was another story and now all upside down with god grace .

 

I find u ppl hav diffrnt aim and it is viscible as u r not ready to accept those challenge and want to divert the dicsussion to unlimited vedas and proofs and it can only done by some one with no real job ,where as i asked u systematicaly .let us first proov it it is humbug as u claimed ,then we can conduct massive prediction s even in maidans after ur ppl organised it and invite ppl frm all over one selected city too.i will sent u good astrologers .Then once it is prooven then it becomes my head ache to giv the proof in vedas after i test all ur knowledge and worthiness.Beacuse real vedic scholars r coming to u .not me .so ask them .they r not trivedies or chaturvedies just by name in actual also they r vedies .

 

if u want to ban me u ,i welcome it and that is always a conveneint measure too .But i promise u if u provoke me i will defently provoke u too ,yes offcource u can ban me and avoid me

 

but tel me why u ppl systematicaly invited astrologers and when ever they r trying to discuss some thing ( even most of them r non professional too and hobbyists ) u ppl come in packs or fake ids and attacks and humiliates

after i read u for for months and then only i took this stand .(of cource not in this grp ),so after seeing ur last mail on VA grp i decided to join u .No need to scract ur head how i came here

 

so welcome let us proov its humbug ( wheter correct prediction on wrong data as AKK JI used to say ) as ur idea of science always says discard real proofs .

 

the idol of muruga in palani temple (kartik ) is made of 9 kind of chemicals and it is known as nava pashana ( 9 poison idol ) moorthy too ,and for generation many used the panchamrit after doing abhishekam and cured lot of diseases ,now the idol strted wear and tear and we lost the technic of making such idol with this methods ( it is in sidha medicine which is created by rishi agastrya and his 18 disciple' s-who was father of astrology in south and gaurdian rishi of south ) Now u and AKK will call him also charlatan and who fall for maya the mlecha ,were as his periods are much much b4 them ,so after hearing all this .And u expect ppl like me shud use good language and show decency to u .without u ppl not prooving anything .It is not my duty to search and inform or teach u ppl ,u search and proove me so thing will b easy for u as u got enough funds and me i need only 5 minits to answer u ( good idea right ??) as u r here to proove vedic astrology is humbug .so r u ready ??

 

 

do u think AKK is only vedic scholar or did he reserch only for astrology in vedas ?? i even said i am ready to discuss it but after u find astro is working or not working according vedic methods then we can discuss ur those 2 mails daily appearing and i am seeing in various grps .

 

u said u r inviting astrologers -but u r inviting in diffrnt way -did u ever said u r mail that it is for this kind of discussion ,so first u shown u dont need any respect and then preaching to me of my language .did all ur ids like jyothishi2001( WHY U USE THIS KIND OF ID IF U FIND ASTRO IS NOT WORKING AND WANT TO PROOV IT IS WRONG ) etc what it means ,if u find astrology not working u can say ,or even conduct harthal or dharna ,i hav no problem ,but dont invite some poor ppl who r trying to help in grps and u r systematicaly abusing them with a set of questions as u r well planned and they r not .Many of them learned it even self only prediction part and using as hobby without charging one rs

 

i know Mr krishna for long time he never used astrology for cheating any one -he got enough money for his rest of life as he was an IT computer engineer who worked in many forgien countries and when he said abt some reserch u ppl abused and provoked him as if even he done reserh on drandruf ,is this is decent way of answering ??

 

when sri LY rao ( i know him as old gentle man in Kp grps tho i hav memebrships in kp grps i dont try KP till today ) he said abt his prashna exprnces which is used for a short duration of a day ,u abused him ,like --is all ruling planets show this . is this is the way u call scienific or decency .is this is the way to discuss in a civilised way as u says ??? why dont u test it in reality ??with him than abusing which u ppl find is very easy and call urself scientific ???????

 

even when ever i post i am getting reply on some unimportant lines in mail .just extract convent part and replies ,because u r idea is diffrnt .So i openly write it as i hav also right to use my own inteligence and tell the truth of ur missions .

 

..even if i proove vedas has astrology if it is not useful in day to day life then what is the use ,and again u ppl will come for kutarka again ,so to save time i designed this challenge for u .first i will prove its application then digging of vedas we can strt .By the time i will get enough time as i will b in north india for a yr min as one more centre is opening

 

now iam typing in between session s and i hav to wash and clean my hand as i am using medicated oil in treatment s so to touch computers ,some oils are too sticky too .i hav to hav time ,so pls avoid this kutarka line with me as i will feel i am being used as tool for ur secret missions ,then i cannot control myself as our business needs lot of satwik energy .In other words i am not sitting 24 hrs for u in computer.

 

hope u understand me and pls let us go ahed or ban me as it is convenient ,the choice is urs .

 

be short,sweet and crisp .giv respect and take respect this includes other time u r using in the pretext of searching for scietific base also .

 

thanks for time .

 

regrds vijaya raghavan

, "sanat2221" <sanatkumar_jain wrote:>> Dear Raghvan ji,> Namaskar,> First of all sorry for my msg of 2-10-8, which was in response to > your first msg. dated 30-9-08 (which was also your date of joining in > this forum). In my reply I was confused as to who is the writer, > because you have neither mentioned your name in the membership menu > nor in the msg. nor you bothered to introduce your-self. So it is a > matter of wrong identity. Thus you can very well eliminate irrelevant > matter from my msg. of 2-10-8.> > I will not offer any reply on your abusive language, because this > forum is meant for academic discussion and I will not allow it to > turn in to the fight of street dogs. I have no objection for your > staying more then a weak >>>>> i will stay in grp for one week > more.<<<<< but you have to behave properly. I think we have no > previous discussion on the matter hence I am unable to answer any > irrelevant point. Sh AK Kaul ji has correctly replied your msg. and > thereafter I have nothing to say.> > Be careful in writing, limit your writings to astrological > principles, behave properly, it is my first and last warning. > Otherwise, next time I will terminate your membership. I am watching > your msg. Try to learn, how to write a msg. from the msgs of Sh. > Prabhakar ji. Difference of opinion is one thing. I always welcome > such difference. Rather I am continuously inviting astrologers, not > for supporting me but to have proper interaction on various points > related to predictive astrology. But abusive language is different > and can never be allowed during serious interactions.> > Thanks,> > Yours truly,> > Sanat> > > > , "lion_draco1983" > lion_draco1983@ wrote:> >> > > > > > > > dear sanat or who ever u r ( because i dont know ur new christain > name )> > > > > > > > u r dancing around ,i posted everything clearly ,it was a post frm > vedic> > astrology grp where u r also a memebr and i said i can see clearly > the> > problems in his chart .> > > > so dont dance around ,i know u did understand ,u say u r only > scientific> > ,but now i am sure abt ur intention s bharath shud loose this > skills and> > u ppl can get a run over on hindus that is all ,why u negete> > prathyaksha anubhva ???is it scientific> > > > > > > > i stick with my challenge to u on my own way as i am interested > only in> > results than simple howling like a dog .> > > > > > > > so be ready or say u r finsihed .> > > > > > > > i dont need ur fees by god s grace .i am rich than wat u think > after 2> > generation of humiliation frm u ppl .and our generation is doing > good> > > > > > > > pls re reAD my mails .> > > > i dont hav time to argue or even type ,if u ready inform me ,i will > stay> > in grp for one week more.> > > > > > > > if u r ready u will b cleared of ur ignorence ( self imposed or> > finnced by some lobbies )> > > > > > > > regrds vijaya raghavan> > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "sanat2221"> > <sanatkumar_jain@> wrote:> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > Dear divyesh ji,> > > Namaskar,> > > Thanks for your msgs.> > > Though I do not want to reply your msg. because I am not doing any> > > prediction. But your both msgs are contradicting where in your > first> > > msg you have highlighted your problems and about spending lot of> > > money on astrologers; and in 2nd msg you are saying that >>>>>i am> > > not the queriest nor looking for any predictions. i was asking > akk ji> > > and sanat ji who says they hav good command over vedic astrology > and> > > now says it is not in veda ,uapanishats or puranas and it is> > > humbug<<<<<<. So first of all please let me know in which msg or > in> > > which forum I claimed that I have a good command over Vedic > astrology> > > (for doing any prediction except for discussion). You can imagine> > > that when I am studying astrology since last +35 years and written> > > two original books than definitely I may be some what well aware, > but> > > I have never exploited with any Vaak Patuta (communication skill) > or> > > by negative prediction or remedy circus and so on. When I am > saying> > > that it is not in Ved it means something. If you, or your > astrologer> > > or friends have some patience (other then their business interest)> > > then they can discuss it.> > >> > > So far your problem is concerned; I will like to say that you may> > > continue to loose your money as long as you have money to fill the> > > stomach of astrologers. No body on Earth can help you so long you> > > have no wisdom to analyze a problem. Remember, problem it-self is > not> > > problem, it is our inability to find the proper solution. Planets> > > have nothing to do with your wife or your problem. So either you > must> > > know the bottom side story or you may wander from one astrologer > to> > > another. When one astrologer will suggest some remedy another will> > > suggest some another remedy. So continue with this remedy circus. > In> > > my opinion you are in need of a family counselor. However, you may> > > continue to take advice, whatever you think may be beneficial to > you.> > >> > > Regarding >>>>> and i can see problems clearly in his chart other> > > wise i am fed up with same mails of both of them all astro> > > forums<<<<<<< I will like to say that where you find my chart and > I> > > have neither asked you for my problem neither in this forum nor in> > > any other forum, otherwise like Sh Harish JI, you will also ask > for> > > fee. So far same msg is concerned, what can be done if every > member> > > like to have discussion from the very beginning and conveniently> > > observe silence just to show his greatness (but they are more> > > interested in their business). I can only suggest and request that> > > whenever you see my msg. you can simply skip it. OK. However, I > find> > > that you have just joined our forum. So I am unable to understand> > > your observations.> > >> > > Hope to read your msg. regularly.> > >> > > Thanks,> > >> > > Yours truly,> > > Sanat> > >> > >> > > , "lion_draco1983"> > > lion_draco1983@ wrote:> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > dear kaul ji and sanat ji> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > pls dee this chart according to vedic astrology and giv us ur> > > comments> > > > .let us get back to exprnce of a person than excavating for so> > > called> > > > proofs as a culture which has gone tru various turmoil need not > hav> > > all> > > > supporting documents .> > > >> > > > Now i am a student ( means not regular but arm chair ) of> > > astrology .> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > see his moon dasa and see his debilated venus and its aspect on > dasa> > > > Lord and his life exprnce> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > here is the post .> > > >> > > > dear sir/madam> > > > PLEASE DO NOT GET OFFENDED AS I HAVE POSTED MY PROBLEM ON HERE> > > BEFORE, I> > > > DO NOT> > > > MEAN ANY KIND OF OFFENCE OR AM I SAYING THAT PEOPLE WHO HAVE> > > ADVISED ME> > > > BEFORE> > > > ARE WRONG OR NOT GENUINE, SOME OF YOU ARE RIGHT, BUT MY PLIGHT > IS> > > STILL> > > > THERE,> > > > AND I REPOST OUT OF FRUSTRATION.> > > >> > > > i have contact many dozens of astrologers, in the last few > months> > > > because, my> > > > life is a still mess, i have lost my job, my marriage has been a> > > mess> > > > and me and> > > > my wife dont talk and have not slept in the same bedroom for > over> > > 10yrs,> > > > we are> > > > only together for sake of kids.,> > > >> > > > i know abt my mahadasa and antradasa etc, but i still believe> > > things can> > > > be done> > > > here and now.> > > > all astrologers have told me so many different things, i have > paid> > > so> > > > much> > > > money,(in total i must of paid at least 3500pounds in the last> > > 12months> > > > in> > > > poojas, yagnas and chart readings and advice alone). yet i am no> > > better> > > > off in> > > > any respect,> > > >> > > >  i have done many prayers to all sorts of planets and gods, i> > have> > > > been told to> > > > spend more money on gemstones which vary from blue sapphire, red> > > coral,> > > > pearl,> > > > emerald, and diamond,, i have been told such things as shani or> > > rahu, or> > > > ketu,> > > > or sun or moon or jupiter or venus is affecting me,> > > > or to pay to have more poojas and yagnas done, i have been told> > > that i> > > > have been> > > > cursed, blackmagic, pitru curse, naag(cobra) curse, and many > more> > > other> > > > things,> > > >> > > > i have been told that i should pray to my weaker(malefic) > planets to> > > > make them> > > > stronger, or that i should NOT pray to my weaker(malefic) > planets,> > > as> > > > praying to> > > > them will cause more harm as i am making them stronger to harm > me> > > more,> > > >> > > > or that i should pray to my benefic planets to make them even> > > stronger,> > > > or that> > > > i should NOT pray to them as they are stronger anyway.> > > >> > > > I know there are many systems of looking at charts!!!> > > >> > > > i just need help, and the astrologer who help me sort my > problems,> > > will> > > > see a> > > > share of my gains, as i will need guidance all my life.> > > >> > > > Also should an astrologer/priest get paid before any results are> > > > shown??? its> > > > like paying a doctor before he has given you medicine which > works,> > > its> > > > like> > > > paying for machine to be repaired before you know it can be> > > repaired, or> > > > if the> > > > engineer has repaired it properly at all.(if you know what i > mean)> > > >> > > > name divyesh parekh> > > > tob 18.28pm> > > > place mumbai india> > > > date 17th aug 1965> > > > been living in the uk since 1967> > > >> > > > wifes name kamlash parekh> > > > tob 2200pm> > > > place birmingham, UK> > > > date 28 feb 1968> > > >> > > > i want to truly know how to become wealthy and happy in my> > > marriage. I> > > > do> > > > believe a good astrologer/priest can tell me how to achieve all> > > this,> > > > even if my> > > > charts do not show it now, its just knowing the right mantra, > right> > > > gemstone,> > > > right offering etc. thru the power of faith and prayer nothing > is> > > > impossible. no> > > > matter what the charts say. its about having belief and > commitment.> > > >> > > >  we also live in a materialistic world and even god knows that > i> > > > have> > > > responsibilities to my family etc, so i cant spend 15hours a day> > > praying> > > > or> > > > spend all my money on poojas, yagnas etc.> > > >> > > > When i was young i knew a priest who could achieve anything, > but> > > he> > > > has died> > > > many years ago,(he never asked for a penny) i saw him work > miracles> > > > myself, my> > > > parents told me he was favoured by maa kali. and i have always > said> > > that> > > > there> > > > must be another person like him on this planet,> > > >> > > > i have been to many holy places like haridwar, trirupati, and> > > gayagi,> > > > and many> > > > more. but have only empty promises or con men.> > > >> > > > My faith in god will never be questioned. shiva, vishnu, brahma > and> > > maa> > > > shakti,> > > > and i will always believe in god, i will do my prayers till i > die,> > > >> > > > again apologies sincerely i do not wish to offend, but i seek > that> > > one> > > > true> > > > person for me,(maybe my future guru)> > > >> > > > regards> > > > divyesh> > > > vedic astrology/message/105854> > > > <vedic astrology/message/105854>> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > regrds VR> > > >> > >> >>

[Guest guest]

Dear Raghvan ji,

Namaskar,

<<<<<<I dont understand still what u mean by scientific>>>>>, it

means that if you are of the opinion that predictive astrology is

science (science means, which can be proved, which can be repeated

and there may not be any ambiguity). Thus if pred. astrology is

science then you or any one must be aware as to how astrological

principles were formulated, what is Rahu Ketu, what is the affect of

planet and so on (refer " astrology a science or myth " in file section

for offering your comments. Only a firm belief without scientific

support can not be regarded as science.

 

 

Actually prediction may be broadly classified in the following

categories.

 

1. Postmortem prediction – Any past event or present situation is

concluded by any principle like aspect, dasha, saptmansha, navansh

etc., transit position of planets, by changing time of birth …………….

and so on. Thus individual is always in the impression that his

past/present is covered by astrology hence astrology is correct.

 

2 . Psychological prediction – Narration of situation is predicted in

a way, which appears correct due to psychological affect on mind.

Like " you are presently passing through some problem " . It is evident

that when a person is visiting an astrologer then definitely he must

be in trouble. But by saying so, astrologer touch the weakness of

individual and any person will start to narrate his problem like a

parrot. In between dialogue of the astrologer implant a psychological

affect, which appears correct.

 

3 Remedial prediction – Astrologer try to convince an individual

that there is some problem in achieving success or in solution of any

problem but it can only be avoided by wearing some gem, offering

etc., vastu, fengsui etc. (in which astrologer is directly involved

thorough commission or so), or guide to do some offering privately,

prey to his god (in which astrologer is not directly involved but he

gain confidence of the client), which in turn may bring other client

for extracting money. Thus if client succeed then he will permanently

fall in the lap of astrologer and in case of failure astrologer will

convince him that he has already warned for some problem and remedy

was little affective due to higher side of negative affect of planets.

 

4. Situational prediction – Some party, team etc. may win, heavy

rain, summer, winter etc., this has nothing to do with astrology but

very affective in winning the confidence of local residents. Some

time they take help of proverb but individual is not able to realize

that any planetary position socalled responsible for rain, summer

etc. is applicable to entire Earth. Thus rain may be on entire Earth

and so on.

 

5 Fluke prediction – Like at the age of 1 or 2, any prediction that

individual may be doctor etc., Such prediction is affective to lure

the parents and astrologer may get benefit. If in fluke he become

doctor then astrologer will get publicity.

 

6 Fixed predictions – This is the actual prediction based on some

principle. This is actually the signboard of astrologer but they can

never predict any event except narrating some past stories to get

confidence of individual.

 

Thus astrologer can never predict as

1 any horoscope belongs to Male or Female, because sex has very vital

role in the life of some one (through out the world and in all

religion), and it affect whole sequence of event.

2 When he will be married or just have sexual relationship. Do planet

knows that it is marriage and it is sexual relationship without

marriage?

3 How many marriages. Because in India we have mostly only one

marriage and one partner for sexual relationship, where as Muslim

countries have mostly more then one marriages at a time and western

countries may mostly have more then one marriage (one by one) at a

time but mostly have many partner for sexual relationship. So how any

planet who is responsible for marriage know and affect as to who may

have to lead with one wife, who may with more wives and who may have

one by one many wives.

4 How many childrens (male or female) and when. How planet

differentiate that a tribal man or osama may have more children then

most of the persons of the world.

5 About his Education, profession, Finance and ofcourse about his

death.

 

Will you please intimate at least One or more principle which in your

opinion is correct. But remember result must be absolute and not

vague or with psychological mixing. I mean to say that you may

intimate any principle by which you can predict above points.

 

Do have any definite principle or you have a set of principles like

1- So and so time is not good or good. Now such predictions are not

predictions at all. Because how a time may be bad, when your body is

intact, your house is intact, your family is intact, your education

is intact. But such sentence can only lead any person to magnify his

problem and may confirm that his time is bad.

2- You are not getting according to your knowledge. Now every person

is not satisfied with, what he has. So he may just confirm. This is

only psychology.

Thus all I repeat all predictions are psychological or if not then

they are randomly correct, which has noting to do with science or

ved, and when a result of some principle is not repeated then how you

can say that it is prediction and it is science.

 

We are discussing predictive astrology and not ayurvedic treatment.

If ayurvedic treatment is right that what it has to do with the

principle of predictive astrology. Even Arya samaj who is main

supporter of Ved, admit that ved has nothing to do with predictive

astrology.

 

Regarding >>>>) u ppl come in packs or fake ids and attacks and

humiliates<<<<<<and >>>>>> after i read u for for months<<<<<<< I

must clear that neither I have fake ID nor I am writing in other

forum except invitation to my forum. Thus I am even not reading as to

which msg is being passed on to other forums, so forget for replying.

I have even no time to write individual msgs and thus to cut short I

use PS and cover minor points for other members. Hence there is no

need or use for such fake ID. There is no question of humiliation as

I am putting very simple question derived from individual replies and

I often suggest members to take help of other astrologer in other

forum or personal friends. I encourage them to interact and suggest

them to invite their friends. So where is the question of

humiliation? Refer various SOA………. Files in file section. Where you

will find some interaction, so where is humiliation? I am not

exposing in their forum so their business may not be harmed. Thus

your contention is totally biased and unfounded.

 

>>>>> ur ids like jyothishi2001>>>>, what a fun. It is not my ID.

Except a welcome note of 20-7-8, I have not interacted with him. I

even do not know his name etc.

 

>>>>> problem ,but dont invite some poor ppl who r trying to help in

grps and u r systematicaly abusing them with a set of questions as u

r well planned and they r not .Many of them learned it even self only

prediction part and using as hobby without charging one rs>>>>>>> I

am only inviting those individuals who are either interested in

astrology (may be learner or hobby etc.) or who are advising

individuals (either free or for promoting their business, I am not

concerned). And so long he is silently reading the msg., how can I

ask him. There are more then +100 silent members. But when he says

that it is vedic or science or his prediction is 100% correct then I

am asking about the principles and systematic questions. So where is

the humiliation? I have also asked from you. It is not humiliation;

it is exchange of views. If he is learner and have some wrong idea

about the predictive astrology then he must know the truth from his

own logic. You must know that counter question is neither abusing nor

humiliation. Moreover I am not concerned with an individual as to who

is he, I am only concerned with principles of predictive astrology.

That's I have also interacted with the members who have not disclosed

their name etc. Because my mission is only to find the truth and to

intimate the truth. Thus I always used to write at the end of the

msg. that discussion is not personal but academic. And for the

convenience compiled some interaction in various SOA……. Files, so he

may pick any point of his choice.

 

I hope this will clear the mind of many silent members too.

 

I am not interested in banning any member like other forums. But

definitely I will like to maintain decorum. I hope you will maintain

the decorum and take part in discussion with your stand, instead of

writing msg. without any substance for discussion. So far writing of

Sh AK Kaul is concerned, I can say that he always maintain and like

good language. He is very senior, learned, logical and active. Thus I

will like to emphasize that inability of a member, to answer is not

humiliation but it is a gateway for him to think a fresh, with open

mind and ask such points in other forum / astrologers so that he may

be mentally strong in either way and come forward with some logical,

scientific reply. I have asked a very simple question as to what is

Rahu Ketu and so on from some reputed astrologers. They are not

replying and quitting the forum or are silent. Is it humiliation? We

are just learning and teaching simultaneously. I hope you will

continue.

 

Thanks

 

Yours truly,

Sanat

 

 

PS:

1 Welcome to new members. They can take up any point for discussion.

 

2 Member with jyotishi2001 ID, who joined the forum on 16-7-

8 may please come forward with his introduction. I do not know as to

why he is concealing his identity. He must have courage to support

his stand, and rest assure except filthy language every argument on

either side is permitted in this forum.

 

3 Some members are not replying on pending points. I hope by now

they have gathered the information in support of his stand.

 

 

 

, " lion_draco1983 "

<lion_draco1983 wrote:

>

>

>

>

> Mr .sanat

>

>

>

> thanks for ur response and warning

>

>

>

> I dont understand still what u mean by scientific as u not ready

to

> see any results on actual basis .now let me repeat .

>

>

>

> i posted a chart 4 days back ( and till today u or sri AKK or

none of

> ur cronies never bothered to reply me ) and i will pick more charts

frm

> vedic astro grps ( as i hav memebrship in all prime grps and i will

> quote even messge numbers and date for ur convenience ) which is

posted

> by diffrnt ppl who came for predictions .so u can see all those

charts

> and tell me were it is not working since u said u r 35 yrs in

astrology

> and as u find it is not working and AKK ji was in astro since

> generations and he also find it is not working and that is the

reasons u

> go to veda s and other literature and find that this is mass

cheating

> system .so proove me that first ( and u can check the where abts abt

> queriests urself and satisfied then only u need to step into it .)

>

>

>

> after considering various chart for a yr or let us fix a time ,see

the

> probablity and correctness ( even i will participate -simple 18

months

> exprnced man than ur tall claims ,may b into predictiv part of

astro as

> i find it is very well working in our treatments ,as i am an

ayurvedic

> by profession ) ,

>

>

>

> kerala ayurvedic by generations and our ancesters suffered similar

> queries ( insults ) to proov scientificaly . how oil applied over

the

> body is working for inside the body ??how it can cure epilepsy ??

how it

> can cure mental problems ,does any one is fool to think this herb we

> find in street which cost u nothing ( those days ) can cure ,it is

> humbug to devil worship etc etc ,and using coconut oil ( we r giving

> upto 200ml of ghee daily in some treatments and after full cource is

> finished no cholostrol u can find by modern methods -i mean un usual

> --so what u proove ghee has fat or not ???) in medicine can kill u

as it

> has highest cholestol -those days medias and these kind of ppl (

now u r

> doing for diffrnt indian science ) and we dont hav any voice those

as we

> dont own any print media which was very power ful those days .)That

was

> another story and now all upside down with god grace .

>

>

>

> I find u ppl hav diffrnt aim and it is viscible as u r not ready to

> accept those challenge and want to divert the dicsussion to

unlimited

> vedas and proofs and it can only done by some one with no real job

> ,where as i asked u systematicaly .let us first proov it it is

humbug as

> u claimed ,then we can conduct massive prediction s even in maidans

> after ur ppl organised it and invite ppl frm all over one selected

city

> too.i will sent u good astrologers .Then once it is prooven then it

> becomes my head ache to giv the proof in vedas after i test all ur

> knowledge and worthiness.Beacuse real vedic scholars r coming to

u .not

> me .so ask them .they r not trivedies or chaturvedies just by name

in

> actual also they r vedies .

>

>

>

> if u want to ban me u ,i welcome it and that is always a conveneint

> measure too .But i promise u if u provoke me i will defently

provoke u

> too ,yes offcource u can ban me and avoid me

>

>

>

> but tel me why u ppl systematicaly invited astrologers and when

ever

> they r trying to discuss some thing ( even most of them r non

> professional too and hobbyists ) u ppl come in packs or fake ids

and

> attacks and humiliates

>

> after i read u for for months and then only i took this stand .(of

> cource not in this grp ),so after seeing ur last mail on VA grp i

> decided to join u .No need to scract ur head how i came here

>

>

>

> so welcome let us proov its humbug ( wheter correct prediction on

wrong

> data as AKK JI used to say ) as ur idea of science always says

> discard real proofs .

>

>

>

> the idol of muruga in palani temple (kartik ) is made of 9 kind of

> chemicals and it is known as nava pashana ( 9 poison idol )

moorthy too

> ,and for generation many used the panchamrit after doing abhishekam

and

> cured lot of diseases ,now the idol strted wear and tear and we

lost the

> technic of making such idol with this methods ( it is in sidha

medicine

> which is created by rishi agastrya and his 18 disciple' s-who was

father

> of astrology in south and gaurdian rishi of south ) Now u and AKK

will

> call him also charlatan and who fall for maya the mlecha ,were as

his

> periods are much much b4 them ,so after hearing all this .And u

expect

> ppl like me shud use good language and show decency to u .without u

ppl

> not prooving anything .It is not my duty to search and inform or

teach u

> ppl ,u search and proove me so thing will b easy for u as u got

enough

> funds and me i need only 5 minits to answer u ( good idea right ??)

as u

> r here to proove vedic astrology is humbug .so r u ready ??

>

>

>

>

>

> do u think AKK is only vedic scholar or did he reserch only for

> astrology in vedas ?? i even said i am ready to discuss it but

after u

> find astro is working or not working according vedic methods

then we

> can discuss ur those 2 mails daily appearing and i am seeing in

various

> grps .

>

>

>

> u said u r inviting astrologers -but u r inviting in diffrnt way -

did u

> ever said u r mail that it is for this kind of discussion ,so first

u

> shown u dont need any respect and then preaching to me of my

language

> .did all ur ids like jyothishi2001( WHY U USE THIS KIND OF ID IF U

> FIND ASTRO IS NOT WORKING AND WANT TO PROOV IT IS WRONG ) etc

what it

> means ,if u find astrology not working u can say ,or even conduct

> harthal or dharna ,i hav no problem ,but dont invite some poor ppl

who

> r trying to help in grps and u r systematicaly abusing them with a

set

> of questions as u r well planned and they r not .Many of them

learned it

> even self only prediction part and using as hobby without charging

one

> rs

>

>

>

> i know Mr krishna for long time he never used astrology for

cheating any

> one -he got enough money for his rest of life as he was an IT

computer

> engineer who worked in many forgien countries and when he said abt

some

> reserch u ppl abused and provoked him as if even he done reserh on

> drandruf ,is this is decent way of answering ??

>

>

>

> when sri LY rao ( i know him as old gentle man in Kp grps tho i hav

> memebrships in kp grps i dont try KP till today ) he said abt his

> prashna exprnces which is used for a short duration of a day ,u

abused

> him ,like --is all ruling planets show this . is this is the way u

call

> scienific or decency .is this is the way to discuss in a civilised

way

> as u says ??? why dont u test it in reality ??with him than abusing

> which u ppl find is very easy and call urself scientific ???????

>

>

>

> even when ever i post i am getting reply on some unimportant lines

in

> mail .just extract convent part and replies ,because u r idea is

> diffrnt .So i openly write it as i hav also right to use my own

> inteligence and tell the truth of ur missions .

>

>

>

> .even if i proove vedas has astrology if it is not useful in day to

day

> life then what is the use ,and again u ppl will come for kutarka

again

> ,so to save time i designed this challenge for u .first i will

prove its

> application then digging of vedas we can strt .By the time i will

get

> enough time as i will b in north india for a yr min as one more

centre

> is opening

>

>

>

> now iam typing in between session s and i hav to wash and clean my

hand

> as i am using medicated oil in treatment s so to touch

computers ,some

> oils are too sticky too .i hav to hav time ,so pls avoid this

kutarka

> line with me as i will feel i am being used as tool for ur secret

> missions ,then i cannot control myself as our business needs lot of

> satwik energy .In other words i am not sitting 24 hrs for u in

computer.

>

>

>

> hope u understand me and pls let us go ahed or ban me as it is

> convenient ,the choice is urs .

>

>

>

> be short,sweet and crisp .giv respect and take respect this includes

> other time u r using in the pretext of searching for scietific base

also

> .

>

>

>

> thanks for time .

>

>

>

> regrds vijaya raghavan

>

>

> , " sanat2221 "

> <sanatkumar_jain@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Raghvan ji,

> > Namaskar,

> > First of all sorry for my msg of 2-10-8, which was in response to

> > your first msg. dated 30-9-08 (which was also your date of

joining in

> > this forum). In my reply I was confused as to who is the writer,

> > because you have neither mentioned your name in the membership

menu

> > nor in the msg. nor you bothered to introduce your-self. So it is

a

> > matter of wrong identity. Thus you can very well eliminate

irrelevant

> > matter from my msg. of 2-10-8.

> >

> > I will not offer any reply on your abusive language, because this

> > forum is meant for academic discussion and I will not allow it to

> > turn in to the fight of street dogs. I have no objection for your

> > staying more then a weak >>>>> i will stay in grp for one week

> > more.<<<<< but you have to behave properly. I think we have no

> > previous discussion on the matter hence I am unable to answer any

> > irrelevant point. Sh AK Kaul ji has correctly replied your msg.

and

> > thereafter I have nothing to say.

> >

> > Be careful in writing, limit your writings to astrological

> > principles, behave properly, it is my first and last warning.

> > Otherwise, next time I will terminate your membership. I am

watching

> > your msg. Try to learn, how to write a msg. from the msgs of Sh.

> > Prabhakar ji. Difference of opinion is one thing. I always welcome

> > such difference. Rather I am continuously inviting astrologers,

not

> > for supporting me but to have proper interaction on various points

> > related to predictive astrology. But abusive language is different

> > and can never be allowed during serious interactions.

> >

> > Thanks,

> >

> > Yours truly,

> >

> > Sanat

> >

> >

> >

> > , " lion_draco1983 "

> > lion_draco1983@ wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > dear sanat or who ever u r ( because i dont know ur new

christain

> > name )

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > u r dancing around ,i posted everything clearly ,it was a post

frm

> > vedic

> > > astrology grp where u r also a memebr and i said i can see

clearly

> > the

> > > problems in his chart .

> > >

> > > so dont dance around ,i know u did understand ,u say u r only

> > scientific

> > > ,but now i am sure abt ur intention s bharath shud loose this

> > skills and

> > > u ppl can get a run over on hindus that is all ,why u negete

> > > prathyaksha anubhva ???is it scientific

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > i stick with my challenge to u on my own way as i am interested

> > only in

> > > results than simple howling like a dog .

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > so be ready or say u r finsihed .

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > i dont need ur fees by god s grace .i am rich than wat u think

> > after 2

> > > generation of humiliation frm u ppl .and our generation is doing

> > good

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > pls re reAD my mails .

> > >

> > > i dont hav time to argue or even type ,if u ready inform me ,i

will

> > stay

> > > in grp for one week more.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > if u r ready u will b cleared of ur ignorence ( self imposed or

> > > finnced by some lobbies )

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > regrds vijaya raghavan

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > , " sanat2221 "

> > > <sanatkumar_jain@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Dear divyesh ji,

> > > > Namaskar,

> > > > Thanks for your msgs.

> > > > Though I do not want to reply your msg. because I am not

doing any

> > > > prediction. But your both msgs are contradicting where in your

> > first

> > > > msg you have highlighted your problems and about spending lot

of

> > > > money on astrologers; and in 2nd msg you are saying that

>>>>>i am

> > > > not the queriest nor looking for any predictions. i was asking

> > akk ji

> > > > and sanat ji who says they hav good command over vedic

astrology

> > and

> > > > now says it is not in veda ,uapanishats or puranas and it is

> > > > humbug<<<<<<. So first of all please let me know in which msg

or

> > in

> > > > which forum I claimed that I have a good command over Vedic

> > astrology

> > > > (for doing any prediction except for discussion). You can

imagine

> > > > that when I am studying astrology since last +35 years and

written

> > > > two original books than definitely I may be some what well

aware,

> > but

> > > > I have never exploited with any Vaak Patuta (communication

skill)

> > or

> > > > by negative prediction or remedy circus and so on. When I am

> > saying

> > > > that it is not in Ved it means something. If you, or your

> > astrologer

> > > > or friends have some patience (other then their business

interest)

> > > > then they can discuss it.

> > > >

> > > > So far your problem is concerned; I will like to say that you

may

> > > > continue to loose your money as long as you have money to

fill the

> > > > stomach of astrologers. No body on Earth can help you so long

you

> > > > have no wisdom to analyze a problem. Remember, problem it-

self is

> > not

> > > > problem, it is our inability to find the proper solution.

Planets

> > > > have nothing to do with your wife or your problem. So either

you

> > must

> > > > know the bottom side story or you may wander from one

astrologer

> > to

> > > > another. When one astrologer will suggest some remedy another

will

> > > > suggest some another remedy. So continue with this remedy

circus.

> > In

> > > > my opinion you are in need of a family counselor. However,

you may

> > > > continue to take advice, whatever you think may be beneficial

to

> > you.

> > > >

> > > > Regarding >>>>> and i can see problems clearly in his chart

other

> > > > wise i am fed up with same mails of both of them all astro

> > > > forums<<<<<<< I will like to say that where you find my chart

and

> > I

> > > > have neither asked you for my problem neither in this forum

nor in

> > > > any other forum, otherwise like Sh Harish JI, you will also

ask

> > for

> > > > fee. So far same msg is concerned, what can be done if every

> > member

> > > > like to have discussion from the very beginning and

conveniently

> > > > observe silence just to show his greatness (but they are more

> > > > interested in their business). I can only suggest and request

that

> > > > whenever you see my msg. you can simply skip it. OK. However,

I

> > find

> > > > that you have just joined our forum. So I am unable to

understand

> > > > your observations.

> > > >

> > > > Hope to read your msg. regularly.

> > > >

> > > > Thanks,

> > > >

> > > > Yours truly,

> > > > Sanat

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > , " lion_draco1983 "

> > > > lion_draco1983@ wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > dear kaul ji and sanat ji

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > pls dee this chart according to vedic astrology and giv us

ur

> > > > comments

> > > > > .let us get back to exprnce of a person than excavating for

so

> > > > called

> > > > > proofs as a culture which has gone tru various turmoil need

not

> > hav

> > > > all

> > > > > supporting documents .

> > > > >

> > > > > Now i am a student ( means not regular but arm chair ) of

> > > > astrology .

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > see his moon dasa and see his debilated venus and its

aspect on

> > dasa

> > > > > Lord and his life exprnce

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > here is the post .

> > > > >

> > > > > dear sir/madam

> > > > > PLEASE DO NOT GET OFFENDED AS I HAVE POSTED MY PROBLEM ON

HERE

> > > > BEFORE, I

> > > > > DO NOT

> > > > > MEAN ANY KIND OF OFFENCE OR AM I SAYING THAT PEOPLE WHO HAVE

> > > > ADVISED ME

> > > > > BEFORE

> > > > > ARE WRONG OR NOT GENUINE, SOME OF YOU ARE RIGHT, BUT MY

PLIGHT

> > IS

> > > > STILL

> > > > > THERE,

> > > > > AND I REPOST OUT OF FRUSTRATION.

> > > > >

> > > > > i have contact many dozens of astrologers, in the last few

> > months

> > > > > because, my

> > > > > life is a still mess, i have lost my job, my marriage has

been a

> > > > mess

> > > > > and me and

> > > > > my wife dont talk and have not slept in the same bedroom for

> > over

> > > > 10yrs,

> > > > > we are

> > > > > only together for sake of kids.,

> > > > >

> > > > > i know abt my mahadasa and antradasa etc, but i still

believe

> > > > things can

> > > > > be done

> > > > > here and now.

> > > > > all astrologers have told me so many different things, i

have

> > paid

> > > > so

> > > > > much

> > > > > money,(in total i must of paid at least 3500pounds in the

last

> > > > 12months

> > > > > in

> > > > > poojas, yagnas and chart readings and advice alone). yet i

am no

> > > > better

> > > > > off in

> > > > > any respect,

> > > > >

> > > > > Â i have done many prayers to all sorts of planets and gods,

> i

> > > have

> > > > > been told to

> > > > > spend more money on gemstones which vary from blue

sapphire, red

> > > > coral,

> > > > > pearl,

> > > > > emerald, and diamond,, i have been told such things as

shani or

> > > > rahu, or

> > > > > ketu,

> > > > > or sun or moon or jupiter or venus is affecting me,

> > > > > or to pay to have more poojas and yagnas done, i have been

told

> > > > that i

> > > > > have been

> > > > > cursed, blackmagic, pitru curse, naag(cobra) curse, and many

> > more

> > > > other

> > > > > things,

> > > > >

> > > > > i have been told that i should pray to my weaker(malefic)

> > planets to

> > > > > make them

> > > > > stronger, or that i should NOT pray to my weaker(malefic)

> > planets,

> > > > as

> > > > > praying to

> > > > > them will cause more harm as i am making them stronger to

harm

> > me

> > > > more,

> > > > >

> > > > > or that i should pray to my benefic planets to make them

even

> > > > stronger,

> > > > > or that

> > > > > i should NOT pray to them as they are stronger anyway.

> > > > >

> > > > > I know there are many systems of looking at charts!!!

> > > > >

> > > > > i just need help, and the astrologer who help me sort my

> > problems,

> > > > will

> > > > > see a

> > > > > share of my gains, as i will need guidance all my life.

> > > > >

> > > > > Also should an astrologer/priest get paid before any

results are

> > > > > shown??? its

> > > > > like paying a doctor before he has given you medicine which

> > works,

> > > > its

> > > > > like

> > > > > paying for machine to be repaired before you know it can be

> > > > repaired, or

> > > > > if the

> > > > > engineer has repaired it properly at all.(if you know what i

> > mean)

> > > > >

> > > > > name divyesh parekh

> > > > > tob 18.28pm

> > > > > place mumbai india

> > > > > date 17th aug 1965

> > > > > been living in the uk since 1967

> > > > >

> > > > > wifes name kamlash parekh

> > > > > tob 2200pm

> > > > > place birmingham, UK

> > > > > date 28 feb 1968

> > > > >

> > > > > i want to truly know how to become wealthy and happy in my

> > > > marriage. I

> > > > > do

> > > > > believe a good astrologer/priest can tell me how to achieve

all

> > > > this,

> > > > > even if my

> > > > > charts do not show it now, its just knowing the right

mantra,

> > right

> > > > > gemstone,

> > > > > right offering etc. thru the power of faith and prayer

nothing

> > is

> > > > > impossible. no

> > > > > matter what the charts say. its about having belief and

> > commitment.

> > > > >

> > > > > Â we also live in a materialistic world and even god knows

> that

> > i

> > > > > have

> > > > > responsibilities to my family etc, so i cant spend 15hours

a day

> > > > praying

> > > > > or

> > > > > spend all my money on poojas, yagnas etc.

> > > > >

> > > > > When i was young i knew a priest who could achieve

anything,Â

> > but

> > > > he

> > > > > has died

> > > > > many years ago,(he never asked for a penny) i saw him work

> > miracles

> > > > > myself, my

> > > > > parents told me he was favoured by maa kali. and i have

always

> > said

> > > > that

> > > > > there

> > > > > must be another person like him on this planet,

> > > > >

> > > > > i have been to many holy places like haridwar, trirupati,

and

> > > > gayagi,

> > > > > and many

> > > > > more. but have only empty promises or con men.

> > > > >

> > > > > My faith in god will never be questioned. shiva, vishnu,

brahma

> > and

> > > > maa

> > > > > shakti,

> > > > > and i will always believe in god, i will do my prayers till

i

> > die,

> > > > >

> > > > > again apologies sincerely i do not wish to offend, but i

seek

> > that

> > > > one

> > > > > true

> > > > > person for me,(maybe my future guru)

> > > > >

> > > > > regards

> > > > > divyesh

> > > > > vedic astrology/message/105854

> > > > > <vedic-

astrology/message/105854>

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > regrds VR

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

dear sanat ji .

Namasakar to u too .

Thanks for ur mail

but i had lot of fun at ur expense i am asking u to proov in reality and u r asking some funny qestions ( still enjoying )

But all this question r ur readymade ones which i read many times b4 and fed up also and very unscientific and realy designed to push down matter under discussion knowing the facts well .

 

can u teach me wat is science or is it some thing fixed one ,does all this neo science hold in that yardstick

 

then why cant they proov delhi iron pillar is humb bug or real or super ??after all this yrs ??

 

If so phycology /history /economics /.maangement studies /all other ----- subjucts why some one shud study and practise .

 

even ur science says 2 diffrnt thing at same breath

 

some times says fat food givs heart attack and giving low fat food and says again givs heart attacks ( one example and i dont want to spoil my time )

 

says exercise givs good life span ,can u show one olympian lived more than 80 yrs ( may b one or 2 but i am asking u in general ) so all sciences except mathematics will not hold water with ur theory ,so better leav it ( many dies long long b4 )

 

So now let us do in reality ,and see dictums with charts posted by individuals .Then i will explain all thing s with u other wise u dont deserv it man ,same question i can ask to any one ,even to a doctor ,he will say couple has no problem to conceiv and why not happening last 15 yrs he dont know .what will u say?? Modern medical science is humbug or needs more time to devlp ?? or we shud trow baby with bucket and water ???

 

i will never say it is 100 % working because of various reason like u r favrite science tho u r very unscientific and dogamtic and with a evil mission in mind ( also foreign funded as ur adamnce shows as u need to proove to ur bosses ) and says and repeats same ready made answers .So u embrace science as ur saviour as it is easy for u .like a mtchstick can destroy all city but cannot devlp it in one century .

 

one exmple in my life ,when ever i visits forign countries for long duration and come back i get water problem ,i drink water frm india my stomach will b upset for 1 week ( there and here too i drink mineral water only esp after visit for 3 weeks ) .then again while travelling in india tho i am using mineral water ( long distance ) ,if i change brand i will get stomach upset .how u explain by scince ,u can explain as it is easy ,but why it is not happening to my wife ?? or frnds ?? or others may b in 100s who is travelling with me ??as i travel for pilgrimage too .

 

so stop dancing around and asking useless argements ,it is easy ,i wont bite ur bait as u wanted to go on asking unnceesarry questions on a life science and diverting real essence of it ,but intention is diffrnt and also i hav to use my quality time diffrnt way ,u see whn i asked u ayurvedic based question u run awy as u dont want to enter there .because u know u will fail defenitly as it is also working science and we can prove it in a months time in frnt of u even using astrological theories ( i will tell u in adavnce what will happen on which nakshtra days what will happen on eachnakshtra days based on same maya the mlecha suryaisidhanta based stars which destroyed kashmere ) where as astro needs so many yrs proov in a mans life .

 

i know astrology is not ayurveda but we r using same priciples but not dasa or charts .even i find in old generation tru prashna they say which serpent or snake bite the patient ,now antivenoms is applicable ( and stopped using that technics ) and those days needs diffrnt treatment for each kind of snake bite So good physicians prepare medicine well in advance means the moment party strted to meet the physician he will b ready here with all facility (means asks his servants to make preparations and medicns and will say such a patient will come with this kind of snake bite ) .

 

first of all leav all this propaganda ( we know u r mission clearly ) or accept my challenge why cant u take it if u strongly blv it ??

 

instead of classifying all predictions into diffrnt catagory with some english juggling words .which is written by some one else ??

 

even i said later we can use mass prediction s in some maidan to ppl invited by a new paper advtment ,u and ur missionaries can follow it up and we will keep the copy that is all .( only predictions with one yr long ranging effect as it is easy )

 

all other ur questions are backwas which is already explained in classics to use kala desa ,patra ,kula ,gotra and paristithy as it is used as helping science than a fatal science .even modern science also uses this as an afrikan and indian is diffrnt in health and immunity and many other characteristics .

 

u know it very well but ur mission is diffrnt ,i remebr one lady in kerala died yestrday after 36 yrs in coma after emplyed some sedativs ( how u justify it if science working linearly why it affect her than helping her )

 

if so why america failed economicaly with 56 trillion dolars foreign debt and trying cover it ( i dont think astrologers and maya the mlecha influenced them ) and going to fail in big way why any of ur neo science helped them than do another war and grab others money and natural resources ( u r also trying to do it as u r inflenced by such forces but another way ) even according ur style of arguement if richest country in world has this much debts then poor countries has 20 or 100 times more than this foreign debt , HA HA ,any way thanks for a nice evening

now u can strt accepting charts

 

regrds vijaya raghavan

 

 

 

 

, "sanat2221" <sanatkumar_jain wrote:>> > > Dear Raghvan ji,> Namaskar,> <<<<<<I dont understand still what u mean by scientific>>>>>, it > means that if you are of the opinion that predictive astrology is > science (science means, which can be proved, which can be repeated > and there may not be any ambiguity). Thus if pred. astrology is > science then you or any one must be aware as to how astrological > principles were formulated, what is Rahu Ketu, what is the affect of > planet and so on (refer "astrology a science or myth" in file section > for offering your comments. Only a firm belief without scientific > support can not be regarded as science. > > > Actually prediction may be broadly classified in the following > categories.> > 1. Postmortem prediction – Any past event or present situation is > concluded by any principle like aspect, dasha, saptmansha, navansh > etc., transit position of planets, by changing time of birth ……………. > and so on. Thus individual is always in the impression that his > past/present is covered by astrology hence astrology is correct.> > 2 . Psychological prediction – Narration of situation is predicted in > a way, which appears correct due to psychological affect on mind. > Like "you are presently passing through some problem". It is evident > that when a person is visiting an astrologer then definitely he must > be in trouble. But by saying so, astrologer touch the weakness of > individual and any person will start to narrate his problem like a > parrot. In between dialogue of the astrologer implant a psychological > affect, which appears correct. > > 3 Remedial prediction – Astrologer try to convince an individual > that there is some problem in achieving success or in solution of any > problem but it can only be avoided by wearing some gem, offering > etc., vastu, fengsui etc. (in which astrologer is directly involved > thorough commission or so), or guide to do some offering privately, > prey to his god (in which astrologer is not directly involved but he > gain confidence of the client), which in turn may bring other client > for extracting money. Thus if client succeed then he will permanently > fall in the lap of astrologer and in case of failure astrologer will > convince him that he has already warned for some problem and remedy > was little affective due to higher side of negative affect of planets.> > 4. Situational prediction – Some party, team etc. may win, heavy > rain, summer, winter etc., this has nothing to do with astrology but > very affective in winning the confidence of local residents. Some > time they take help of proverb but individual is not able to realize > that any planetary position socalled responsible for rain, summer > etc. is applicable to entire Earth. Thus rain may be on entire Earth > and so on.> > 5 Fluke prediction – Like at the age of 1 or 2, any prediction that > individual may be doctor etc., Such prediction is affective to lure > the parents and astrologer may get benefit. If in fluke he become > doctor then astrologer will get publicity.> > 6 Fixed predictions – This is the actual prediction based on some > principle. This is actually the signboard of astrologer but they can > never predict any event except narrating some past stories to get > confidence of individual. > > Thus astrologer can never predict as > 1 any horoscope belongs to Male or Female, because sex has very vital > role in the life of some one (through out the world and in all > religion), and it affect whole sequence of event.> 2 When he will be married or just have sexual relationship. Do planet > knows that it is marriage and it is sexual relationship without > marriage?> 3 How many marriages. Because in India we have mostly only one > marriage and one partner for sexual relationship, where as Muslim > countries have mostly more then one marriages at a time and western > countries may mostly have more then one marriage (one by one) at a > time but mostly have many partner for sexual relationship. So how any > planet who is responsible for marriage know and affect as to who may > have to lead with one wife, who may with more wives and who may have > one by one many wives.> 4 How many childrens (male or female) and when. How planet > differentiate that a tribal man or osama may have more children then > most of the persons of the world.> 5 About his Education, profession, Finance and ofcourse about his > death.> > Will you please intimate at least One or more principle which in your > opinion is correct. But remember result must be absolute and not > vague or with psychological mixing. I mean to say that you may > intimate any principle by which you can predict above points.> > Do have any definite principle or you have a set of principles like> 1- So and so time is not good or good. Now such predictions are not > predictions at all. Because how a time may be bad, when your body is > intact, your house is intact, your family is intact, your education > is intact. But such sentence can only lead any person to magnify his > problem and may confirm that his time is bad. > 2- You are not getting according to your knowledge. Now every person > is not satisfied with, what he has. So he may just confirm. This is > only psychology. > Thus all I repeat all predictions are psychological or if not then > they are randomly correct, which has noting to do with science or > ved, and when a result of some principle is not repeated then how you > can say that it is prediction and it is science.> > We are discussing predictive astrology and not ayurvedic treatment. > If ayurvedic treatment is right that what it has to do with the > principle of predictive astrology. Even Arya samaj who is main > supporter of Ved, admit that ved has nothing to do with predictive > astrology.> > Regarding >>>>) u ppl come in packs or fake ids and attacks and > humiliates<<<<<<and >>>>>> after i read u for for months<<<<<<< I > must clear that neither I have fake ID nor I am writing in other > forum except invitation to my forum. Thus I am even not reading as to > which msg is being passed on to other forums, so forget for replying. > I have even no time to write individual msgs and thus to cut short I > use PS and cover minor points for other members. Hence there is no > need or use for such fake ID. There is no question of humiliation as > I am putting very simple question derived from individual replies and > I often suggest members to take help of other astrologer in other > forum or personal friends. I encourage them to interact and suggest > them to invite their friends. So where is the question of > humiliation? Refer various SOA………. Files in file section. Where you > will find some interaction, so where is humiliation? I am not > exposing in their forum so their business may not be harmed. Thus > your contention is totally biased and unfounded.> > >>>>> ur ids like jyothishi2001>>>>, what a fun. It is not my ID. > Except a welcome note of 20-7-8, I have not interacted with him. I > even do not know his name etc. > > >>>>> problem ,but dont invite some poor ppl who r trying to help in > grps and u r systematicaly abusing them with a set of questions as u > r well planned and they r not .Many of them learned it even self only > prediction part and using as hobby without charging one rs>>>>>>> I > am only inviting those individuals who are either interested in > astrology (may be learner or hobby etc.) or who are advising > individuals (either free or for promoting their business, I am not > concerned). And so long he is silently reading the msg., how can I > ask him. There are more then +100 silent members. But when he says > that it is vedic or science or his prediction is 100% correct then I > am asking about the principles and systematic questions. So where is > the humiliation? I have also asked from you. It is not humiliation; > it is exchange of views. If he is learner and have some wrong idea > about the predictive astrology then he must know the truth from his > own logic. You must know that counter question is neither abusing nor > humiliation. Moreover I am not concerned with an individual as to who > is he, I am only concerned with principles of predictive astrology. > That's I have also interacted with the members who have not disclosed > their name etc. Because my mission is only to find the truth and to > intimate the truth. Thus I always used to write at the end of the > msg. that discussion is not personal but academic. And for the > convenience compiled some interaction in various SOA……. Files, so he > may pick any point of his choice.> > I hope this will clear the mind of many silent members too.> > I am not interested in banning any member like other forums. But > definitely I will like to maintain decorum. I hope you will maintain > the decorum and take part in discussion with your stand, instead of > writing msg. without any substance for discussion. So far writing of > Sh AK Kaul is concerned, I can say that he always maintain and like > good language. He is very senior, learned, logical and active. Thus I > will like to emphasize that inability of a member, to answer is not > humiliation but it is a gateway for him to think a fresh, with open > mind and ask such points in other forum / astrologers so that he may > be mentally strong in either way and come forward with some logical, > scientific reply. I have asked a very simple question as to what is > Rahu Ketu and so on from some reputed astrologers. They are not > replying and quitting the forum or are silent. Is it humiliation? We > are just learning and teaching simultaneously. I hope you will > continue. > > Thanks> > Yours truly,> Sanat> > > PS: > 1 Welcome to new members. They can take up any point for discussion.> > 2 Member with jyotishi2001 ID, who joined the forum on 16-7-> 8 may please come forward with his introduction. I do not know as to > why he is concealing his identity. He must have courage to support > his stand, and rest assure except filthy language every argument on > either side is permitted in this forum.> > 3 Some members are not replying on pending points. I hope by now > they have gathered the information in support of his stand.> > > > , "lion_draco1983" > lion_draco1983@ wrote:> >> > > > > > > > Mr .sanat> > > > > > > > thanks for ur response and warning> > > > > > > > I dont understand still what u mean by scientific as u not ready > to> > see any results on actual basis .now let me repeat .> > > > > > > > i posted a chart 4 days back ( and till today u or sri AKK or > none of> > ur cronies never bothered to reply me ) and i will pick more charts > frm> > vedic astro grps ( as i hav memebrship in all prime grps and i will> > quote even messge numbers and date for ur convenience ) which is > posted> > by diffrnt ppl who came for predictions .so u can see all those > charts> > and tell me were it is not working since u said u r 35 yrs in > astrology> > and as u find it is not working and AKK ji was in astro since> > generations and he also find it is not working and that is the > reasons u> > go to veda s and other literature and find that this is mass > cheating> > system .so proove me that first ( and u can check the where abts abt> > queriests urself and satisfied then only u need to step into it .)> > > > > > > > after considering various chart for a yr or let us fix a time ,see > the> > probablity and correctness ( even i will participate -simple 18 > months> > exprnced man than ur tall claims ,may b into predictiv part of > astro as> > i find it is very well working in our treatments ,as i am an > ayurvedic> > by profession ) ,> > > > > > > > kerala ayurvedic by generations and our ancesters suffered similar> > queries ( insults ) to proov scientificaly . how oil applied over > the> > body is working for inside the body ??how it can cure epilepsy ??> how it> > can cure mental problems ,does any one is fool to think this herb we> > find in street which cost u nothing ( those days ) can cure ,it is> > humbug to devil worship etc etc ,and using coconut oil ( we r giving> > upto 200ml of ghee daily in some treatments and after full cource is> > finished no cholostrol u can find by modern methods -i mean un usual> > --so what u proove ghee has fat or not ???) in medicine can kill u > as it> > has highest cholestol -those days medias and these kind of ppl ( > now u r> > doing for diffrnt indian science ) and we dont hav any voice those > as we> > dont own any print media which was very power ful those days .)That > was> > another story and now all upside down with god grace .> > > > > > > > I find u ppl hav diffrnt aim and it is viscible as u r not ready to> > accept those challenge and want to divert the dicsussion to > unlimited> > vedas and proofs and it can only done by some one with no real job > > ,where as i asked u systematicaly .let us first proov it it is > humbug as> > u claimed ,then we can conduct massive prediction s even in maidans> > after ur ppl organised it and invite ppl frm all over one selected > city> > too.i will sent u good astrologers .Then once it is prooven then it> > becomes my head ache to giv the proof in vedas after i test all ur> > knowledge and worthiness.Beacuse real vedic scholars r coming to > u .not> > me .so ask them .they r not trivedies or chaturvedies just by name > in> > actual also they r vedies .> > > > > > > > if u want to ban me u ,i welcome it and that is always a conveneint> > measure too .But i promise u if u provoke me i will defently > provoke u> > too ,yes offcource u can ban me and avoid me> > > > > > > > but tel me why u ppl systematicaly invited astrologers and when > ever> > they r trying to discuss some thing ( even most of them r non> > professional too and hobbyists ) u ppl come in packs or fake ids > and> > attacks and humiliates> > > > after i read u for for months and then only i took this stand .(of> > cource not in this grp ),so after seeing ur last mail on VA grp i> > decided to join u .No need to scract ur head how i came here> > > > > > > > so welcome let us proov its humbug ( wheter correct prediction on > wrong> > data as AKK JI used to say ) as ur idea of science always says> > discard real proofs .> > > > > > > > the idol of muruga in palani temple (kartik ) is made of 9 kind of> > chemicals and it is known as nava pashana ( 9 poison idol ) > moorthy too> > ,and for generation many used the panchamrit after doing abhishekam > and> > cured lot of diseases ,now the idol strted wear and tear and we > lost the> > technic of making such idol with this methods ( it is in sidha > medicine> > which is created by rishi agastrya and his 18 disciple' s-who was > father> > of astrology in south and gaurdian rishi of south ) Now u and AKK > will> > call him also charlatan and who fall for maya the mlecha ,were as > his> > periods are much much b4 them ,so after hearing all this .And u > expect> > ppl like me shud use good language and show decency to u .without u > ppl> > not prooving anything .It is not my duty to search and inform or > teach u> > ppl ,u search and proove me so thing will b easy for u as u got > enough> > funds and me i need only 5 minits to answer u ( good idea right ??) > as u> > r here to proove vedic astrology is humbug .so r u ready ??> > > > > > > > > > > > do u think AKK is only vedic scholar or did he reserch only for> > astrology in vedas ?? i even said i am ready to discuss it but > after u> > find astro is working or not working according vedic methods > then we> > can discuss ur those 2 mails daily appearing and i am seeing in > various> > grps .> > > > > > > > u said u r inviting astrologers -but u r inviting in diffrnt way -> did u> > ever said u r mail that it is for this kind of discussion ,so first > u> > shown u dont need any respect and then preaching to me of my > language> > .did all ur ids like jyothishi2001( WHY U USE THIS KIND OF ID IF U> > FIND ASTRO IS NOT WORKING AND WANT TO PROOV IT IS WRONG ) etc > what it> > means ,if u find astrology not working u can say ,or even conduct> > harthal or dharna ,i hav no problem ,but dont invite some poor ppl > who> > r trying to help in grps and u r systematicaly abusing them with a > set> > of questions as u r well planned and they r not .Many of them > learned it> > even self only prediction part and using as hobby without charging > one> > rs> > > > > > > > i know Mr krishna for long time he never used astrology for > cheating any> > one -he got enough money for his rest of life as he was an IT > computer> > engineer who worked in many forgien countries and when he said abt > some> > reserch u ppl abused and provoked him as if even he done reserh on> > drandruf ,is this is decent way of answering ??> > > > > > > > when sri LY rao ( i know him as old gentle man in Kp grps tho i hav> > memebrships in kp grps i dont try KP till today ) he said abt his> > prashna exprnces which is used for a short duration of a day ,u > abused> > him ,like --is all ruling planets show this . is this is the way u > call> > scienific or decency .is this is the way to discuss in a civilised > way> > as u says ??? why dont u test it in reality ??with him than abusing> > which u ppl find is very easy and call urself scientific ???????> > > > > > > > even when ever i post i am getting reply on some unimportant lines > in> > mail .just extract convent part and replies ,because u r idea is> > diffrnt .So i openly write it as i hav also right to use my own> > inteligence and tell the truth of ur missions .> > > > > > > > .even if i proove vedas has astrology if it is not useful in day to > day> > life then what is the use ,and again u ppl will come for kutarka > again> > ,so to save time i designed this challenge for u .first i will > prove its> > application then digging of vedas we can strt .By the time i will > get> > enough time as i will b in north india for a yr min as one more > centre> > is opening> > > > > > > > now iam typing in between session s and i hav to wash and clean my > hand> > as i am using medicated oil in treatment s so to touch > computers ,some> > oils are too sticky too .i hav to hav time ,so pls avoid this > kutarka> > line with me as i will feel i am being used as tool for ur secret> > missions ,then i cannot control myself as our business needs lot of> > satwik energy .In other words i am not sitting 24 hrs for u in > computer.> > > > > > > > hope u understand me and pls let us go ahed or ban me as it is> > convenient ,the choice is urs .> > > > > > > > be short,sweet and crisp .giv respect and take respect this includes> > other time u r using in the pretext of searching for scietific base > also> > .> > > > > > > > thanks for time .> > > > > > > > regrds vijaya raghavan> > > > > > , "sanat2221"> > <sanatkumar_jain@> wrote:> > >> > > Dear Raghvan ji,> > > Namaskar,> > > First of all sorry for my msg of 2-10-8, which was in response to> > > your first msg. dated 30-9-08 (which was also your date of > joining in> > > this forum). In my reply I was confused as to who is the writer,> > > because you have neither mentioned your name in the membership > menu> > > nor in the msg. nor you bothered to introduce your-self. So it is > a> > > matter of wrong identity. Thus you can very well eliminate > irrelevant> > > matter from my msg. of 2-10-8.> > >> > > I will not offer any reply on your abusive language, because this> > > forum is meant for academic discussion and I will not allow it to> > > turn in to the fight of street dogs. I have no objection for your> > > staying more then a weak >>>>> i will stay in grp for one week> > > more.<<<<< but you have to behave properly. I think we have no> > > previous discussion on the matter hence I am unable to answer any> > > irrelevant point. Sh AK Kaul ji has correctly replied your msg. > and> > > thereafter I have nothing to say.> > >> > > Be careful in writing, limit your writings to astrological> > > principles, behave properly, it is my first and last warning.> > > Otherwise, next time I will terminate your membership. I am > watching> > > your msg. Try to learn, how to write a msg. from the msgs of Sh.> > > Prabhakar ji. Difference of opinion is one thing. I always welcome> > > such difference. Rather I am continuously inviting astrologers, > not> > > for supporting me but to have proper interaction on various points> > > related to predictive astrology. But abusive language is different> > > and can never be allowed during serious interactions.> > >> > > Thanks,> > >> > > Yours truly,> > >> > > Sanat> > >> > >> > >> > > , "lion_draco1983"> > > lion_draco1983@ wrote:> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > dear sanat or who ever u r ( because i dont know ur new > christain> > > name )> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > u r dancing around ,i posted everything clearly ,it was a post > frm> > > vedic> > > > astrology grp where u r also a memebr and i said i can see > clearly> > > the> > > > problems in his chart .> > > >> > > > so dont dance around ,i know u did understand ,u say u r only> > > scientific> > > > ,but now i am sure abt ur intention s bharath shud loose this> > > skills and> > > > u ppl can get a run over on hindus that is all ,why u negete> > > > prathyaksha anubhva ???is it scientific> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > i stick with my challenge to u on my own way as i am interested> > > only in> > > > results than simple howling like a dog .> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > so be ready or say u r finsihed .> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > i dont need ur fees by god s grace .i am rich than wat u think> > > after 2> > > > generation of humiliation frm u ppl .and our generation is doing> > > good> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > pls re reAD my mails .> > > >> > > > i dont hav time to argue or even type ,if u ready inform me ,i > will> > > stay> > > > in grp for one week more.> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > if u r ready u will b cleared of ur ignorence ( self imposed or> > > > finnced by some lobbies )> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > regrds vijaya raghavan> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > , "sanat2221"> > > > <sanatkumar_jain@> wrote:> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Dear divyesh ji,> > > > > Namaskar,> > > > > Thanks for your msgs.> > > > > Though I do not want to reply your msg. because I am not > doing any> > > > > prediction. But your both msgs are contradicting where in your> > > first> > > > > msg you have highlighted your problems and about spending lot > of> > > > > money on astrologers; and in 2nd msg you are saying that > >>>>>i am> > > > > not the queriest nor looking for any predictions. i was asking> > > akk ji> > > > > and sanat ji who says they hav good command over vedic > astrology> > > and> > > > > now says it is not in veda ,uapanishats or puranas and it is> > > > > humbug<<<<<<. So first of all please let me know in which msg > or> > > in> > > > > which forum I claimed that I have a good command over Vedic> > > astrology> > > > > (for doing any prediction except for discussion). You can > imagine> > > > > that when I am studying astrology since last +35 years and > written> > > > > two original books than definitely I may be some what well > aware,> > > but> > > > > I have never exploited with any Vaak Patuta (communication > skill)> > > or> > > > > by negative prediction or remedy circus and so on. When I am> > > saying> > > > > that it is not in Ved it means something. If you, or your> > > astrologer> > > > > or friends have some patience (other then their business > interest)> > > > > then they can discuss it.> > > > >> > > > > So far your problem is concerned; I will like to say that you > may> > > > > continue to loose your money as long as you have money to > fill the> > > > > stomach of astrologers. No body on Earth can help you so long > you> > > > > have no wisdom to analyze a problem. Remember, problem it-> self is> > > not> > > > > problem, it is our inability to find the proper solution. > Planets> > > > > have nothing to do with your wife or your problem. So either > you> > > must> > > > > know the bottom side story or you may wander from one > astrologer> > > to> > > > > another. When one astrologer will suggest some remedy another > will> > > > > suggest some another remedy. So continue with this remedy > circus.> > > In> > > > > my opinion you are in need of a family counselor. However, > you may> > > > > continue to take advice, whatever you think may be beneficial > to> > > you.> > > > >> > > > > Regarding >>>>> and i can see problems clearly in his chart > other> > > > > wise i am fed up with same mails of both of them all astro> > > > > forums<<<<<<< I will like to say that where you find my chart > and> > > I> > > > > have neither asked you for my problem neither in this forum > nor in> > > > > any other forum, otherwise like Sh Harish JI, you will also > ask> > > for> > > > > fee. So far same msg is concerned, what can be done if every> > > member> > > > > like to have discussion from the very beginning and > conveniently> > > > > observe silence just to show his greatness (but they are more> > > > > interested in their business). I can only suggest and request > that> > > > > whenever you see my msg. you can simply skip it. OK. However, > I> > > find> > > > > that you have just joined our forum. So I am unable to > understand> > > > > your observations.> > > > >> > > > > Hope to read your msg. regularly.> > > > >> > > > > Thanks,> > > > >> > > > > Yours truly,> > > > > Sanat> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > , "lion_draco1983"> > > > > lion_draco1983@ wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > dear kaul ji and sanat ji> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > pls dee this chart according to vedic astrology and giv us > ur> > > > > comments> > > > > > .let us get back to exprnce of a person than excavating for > so> > > > > called> > > > > > proofs as a culture which has gone tru various turmoil need > not> > > hav> > > > > all> > > > > > supporting documents .> > > > > >> > > > > > Now i am a student ( means not regular but arm chair ) of> > > > > astrology .> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > see his moon dasa and see his debilated venus and its > aspect on> > > dasa> > > > > > Lord and his life exprnce> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > here is the post .> > > > > >> > > > > > dear sir/madam> > > > > > PLEASE DO NOT GET OFFENDED AS I HAVE POSTED MY PROBLEM ON > HERE> > > > > BEFORE, I> > > > > > DO NOT> > > > > > MEAN ANY KIND OF OFFENCE OR AM I SAYING THAT PEOPLE WHO HAVE> > > > > ADVISED ME> > > > > > BEFORE> > > > > > ARE WRONG OR NOT GENUINE, SOME OF YOU ARE RIGHT, BUT MY > PLIGHT> > > IS> > > > > STILL> > > > > > THERE,> > > > > > AND I REPOST OUT OF FRUSTRATION.> > > > > >> > > > > > i have contact many dozens of astrologers, in the last few> > > months> > > > > > because, my> > > > > > life is a still mess, i have lost my job, my marriage has > been a> > > > > mess> > > > > > and me and> > > > > > my wife dont talk and have not slept in the same bedroom for> > > over> > > > > 10yrs,> > > > > > we are> > > > > > only together for sake of kids.,> > > > > >> > > > > > i know abt my mahadasa and antradasa etc, but i still > believe> > > > > things can> > > > > > be done> > > > > > here and now.> > > > > > all astrologers have told me so many different things, i > have> > > paid> > > > > so> > > > > > much> > > > > > money,(in total i must of paid at least 3500pounds in the > last> > > > > 12months> > > > > > in> > > > > > poojas, yagnas and chart readings and advice alone). yet i > am no> > > > > better> > > > > > off in> > > > > > any respect,> > > > > >> > > > > > Â i have done many prayers to all sorts of planets and gods,> > i> > > > have> > > > > > been told to> > > > > > spend more money on gemstones which vary from blue > sapphire, red> > > > > coral,> > > > > > pearl,> > > > > > emerald, and diamond,, i have been told such things as > shani or> > > > > rahu, or> > > > > > ketu,> > > > > > or sun or moon or jupiter or venus is affecting me,> > > > > > or to pay to have more poojas and yagnas done, i have been > told> > > > > that i> > > > > > have been> > > > > > cursed, blackmagic, pitru curse, naag(cobra) curse, and many> > > more> > > > > other> > > > > > things,> > > > > >> > > > > > i have been told that i should pray to my weaker(malefic)> > > planets to> > > > > > make them> > > > > > stronger, or that i should NOT pray to my weaker(malefic)> > > planets,> > > > > as> > > > > > praying to> > > > > > them will cause more harm as i am making them stronger to > harm> > > me> > > > > more,> > > > > >> > > > > > or that i should pray to my benefic planets to make them > even> > > > > stronger,> > > > > > or that> > > > > > i should NOT pray to them as they are stronger anyway.> > > > > >> > > > > > I know there are many systems of looking at charts!!!> > > > > >> > > > > > i just need help, and the astrologer who help me sort my> > > problems,> > > > > will> > > > > > see a> > > > > > share of my gains, as i will need guidance all my life.> > > > > >> > > > > > Also should an astrologer/priest get paid before any > results are> > > > > > shown??? its> > > > > > like paying a doctor before he has given you medicine which> > > works,> > > > > its> > > > > > like> > > > > > paying for machine to be repaired before you know it can be> > > > > repaired, or> > > > > > if the> > > > > > engineer has repaired it properly at all.(if you know what i> > > mean)> > > > > >> > > > > > name divyesh parekh> > > > > > tob 18.28pm> > > > > > place mumbai india> > > > > > date 17th aug 1965> > > > > > been living in the uk since 1967> > > > > >> > > > > > wifes name kamlash parekh> > > > > > tob 2200pm> > > > > > place birmingham, UK> > > > > > date 28 feb 1968> > > > > >> > > > > > i want to truly know how to become wealthy and happy in my> > > > > marriage. I> > > > > > do> > > > > > believe a good astrologer/priest can tell me how to achieve > all> > > > > this,> > > > > > even if my> > > > > > charts do not show it now, its just knowing the right > mantra,> > > right> > > > > > gemstone,> > > > > > right offering etc. thru the power of faith and prayer > nothing> > > is> > > > > > impossible. no> > > > > > matter what the charts say. its about having belief and> > > commitment.> > > > > >> > > > > > Â we also live in a materialistic world and even god knows> > that> > > i> > > > > > have> > > > > > responsibilities to my family etc, so i cant spend 15hours > a day> > > > > praying> > > > > > or> > > > > > spend all my money on poojas, yagnas etc.> > > > > >> > > > > > When i was young i knew a priest who could achieve > anything,Â> > > but> > > > > he> > > > > > has died> > > > > > many years ago,(he never asked for a penny) i saw him work> > > miracles> > > > > > myself, my> > > > > > parents told me he was favoured by maa kali. and i have > always> > > said> > > > > that> > > > > > there> > > > > > must be another person like him on this planet,> > > > > >> > > > > > i have been to many holy places like haridwar, trirupati, > and> > > > > gayagi,> > > > > > and many> > > > > > more. but have only empty promises or con men.> > > > > >> > > > > > My faith in god will never be questioned. shiva, vishnu, > brahma> > > and> > > > > maa> > > > > > shakti,> > > > > > and i will always believe in god, i will do my prayers till > i> > > die,> > > > > >> > > > > > again apologies sincerely i do not wish to offend, but i > seek> > > that> > > > > one> > > > > > true> > > > > > person for me,(maybe my future guru)> > > > > >> > > > > > regards> > > > > > divyesh> > > > > > vedic astrology/message/105854> > > > > > <vedic-> astrology/message/105854>> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > regrds VR> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> >>

[Guest guest]

Dear Raghvan ji,

Namaskar,

I think you have decided to always sidetrack the issue. This forum is

discussing the predictive astrological principles and not ayurved or

stomach or economy of America or your patient and so on. Yes, if you

have some principle by which you can substantiate the stomach or

economy or child birth etc then come forward with that principle. Try

to be specific on questions, otherwise there is no sense in throwing

the irrelevant sentences/para.

 

You and every member must be clear that predictive astrology has

nothing to do with Hindu religion. Even if you are bent upon to link

the predictive astrology with religion then I can only feel sorry.

 

Try to continue a point instead of leaving it unattended. So that any

conclusion may be drawn. I always try to follow this.

 

>>>>>u r asking some funny qestions ( still enjoying [] ) But all

this question r ur readymade ones which i read many times b4 and

fed up also and very unscientific and realy designed to push down

matter under discussion knowing the facts well [] . []<<<<<<<

Even you or so-called learner / expert astrologers are not replying

despite repeating various readymade questions. What is the harm if

you reply these readymade old questions or admit that you do not have

answer then we can go ahead in some new direction. But point should

be attended.

 

>>>>can u teach me wat is science ……………. so

better leav it ( many dies long long b4)<<<<<< We must focus on

predictive astrology and do not try to divert the issue.

 

>>>>So now let us do in reality ,and see dictums with charts posted

by individuals .Then i will explain all thing s …….all city but

cannot devlp it in one century .<<<<<<<<

I have asked you some pinpointed principles, which we can apply on

various horoscopes. So come forward with charts and supportive

principles regarding fixed predictions as pointed out in my msg dated

6-10-8.

 

>>>>>>>one exmple in my life ,when ever i visits forign countries for

long…………. may b in 100s who is travelling with me ??as i travel for

pilgrimage too .<<<<<< So you may come out with any predictive

principle. Your visit to foreign countries or pilgrimage has nothing

to do with the correctness of predictive astrology.

 

>>>>>>>>so stop dancing around and asking useless argements ………..yrs

proov in a mans life [:-$] .<<<<<

Is it useless to ask as to what is Rahu Ketu. Is it useless to ask as

to how sign were devised. Is it useless to ask as to how various

principles of signlord, aspect, friendship, exalted, dasha etc. were

formulated. And in your opinion it is only useful to misguide a

simple innocent person by claiming that astrology is Vedic or

astrology is science and exploiting the issue by linking it with

religion, whereas Krishna himself said about Karm (Mahabharat was

written by Ved Vyas who was son of Parashar. Then he can very well

support his father and Krishna may say that take action according to

planetary transit and so on………). Do not argue for the sake of

argument.

 

>>>>>>i know astrology is not ayurveda but we r using same

priciples……… kind of snake bite ) [O:)] .<<<<<<< When you know that

Ayruved is not astrology then why are you wasting time and energy. Be

specific on predictive astrology.

 

>>>>>>first of all leav all this propaganda ( we know u r mission

clearly ) or accept my challenge why cant u take it if u strongly blv

it ?? [:-?]<<<<<<< Asking a pointed question when out of 180 members

almost 177 members may be on your side is not a propaganda. You

should know that propaganda is done among like minded members as is

being done in 99 % forums (Sh Kaul Ji what is your opinion? As you

are member of many forums), where dissident voice is banned. It is

your failure, which you are trying to coverup by using some

irrelevant points (or some filthy language). How I can create a

propaganda when more then 95% members may not agree with me or when

I am inviting astrologers who may definitely be against me. But I am

discussing with open mind and you are discussing with biased

attitude. I am studying astrology since last +35 years and come out

with two original books, on which every astrologer is silent. Why,

because it is not propaganda but they are eye opener. You can also

read these books in your spare time to know the bare truth.

 

>>>>>>instead of classifying all predictions into diffrnt catagory

with some english juggling words .which is written by some one

else ?? [;]<<<<<<< It is all my narration. Spare some time and go

through all my msgs. You must know that I have written two books and

working on third book so I can very well express my views. And after

writing two original research based books I have sufficient backup to

question your skill and answer on various points being raised by

astrologers to misguide a simple man. If you are interested to verify

my statement then you can go through my book ( " Jyotish Kitna Sahi

Kitna Galat " in Hindi or " Astrology a science or myth " in English,

whose front picture is signature picture of the forum.).

 

>>>>>>all other ur questions are backwas which is already explained

in classics ………… afrikan and indian is diffrnt in health and immunity

and many other characteristics [;] .<<<<<<<< If my questions are

backwas then why they have been explained in classics, Or you are

saying that classics have answer on backwaas. If it (backwas) is

already contained in classics then why you are not coming forward

with answers instead of throwing your arguments here and there. I

will like to suggest that you can take help of other forums and may

ask your friends and learned / learner astrologers in this forum. I

have no objection or you may take any point from my old

blog " Astrology a science or myth " or from various SOA………… files or

msgs, which are pending because astrologers are not able to even

support their stand or you may come forward on any point (but only

astrology).

 

>>>u know it very well but ur mission is diffrnt ,i remebr one lady in

kerala died yesterday……….. 100 times more than this foreign debt

<<<<< It would have been more fruitful if any astrologer out of lakhs

astrologer may have been warned about such incident instead of

beating the bush.

 

>>>>>>[(] , HA HA ,any way thanks for a nice evening<<<< Hope to

have many more nice evening.

 

>>>>>now u can strt accepting charts<<<<<<< You can go ahead in any

direction because you may have no answer on my pointed issues.

Otherwise continue our points to have some conclusion instead of

diverting the issue. Even after some hot exchages we have not yet

started any discussion on any astrological point. It shows your

attitude towards a sincere discussion. When you are not prepared to

think a fresh with open mind even after experiment of Sh Narlikar Ji

then it is rather difficult to convince you on your off-shot comments.

 

Remember that outcome of discussion is not going to terminate our

existence or business. So be cool, logical, remain within framework.

When I am prepared to think a fresh on any point if raised by any

member (who are almost against my views) then why are you not

prepared to have open mind when everybody is on your side and come

forward with straight answer. And why are you loosing your temper,

which is evident from your msgs. Remember it is academic discussion

and not the fight for bread and butter.

 

Thanks

 

Yours truly,

Sanat

 

Members :

 

Welcome to all new members. You may please take active part in open

discussion.

 

1 Silent members may please come forward and share your views on

either side. Membership of any member will not be terminated; so long

you are using a good language irrespective of your stand.

 

2 Ms. Dipika Ji, you are not regular like Sh. AK Kaul ji. I hope you

may be OK.

 

3 Sh. Prabhakar Ji, Nathani Ji may please come forward with your

answers. I hope by now you may have searched the answers in

Lalkitab / astrological book. Sh Nirmal Kumar Bhardwaj ji (or any

other member), if you want then you can also pick up the point of Sh

Prabhakar ji.

 

4 Sh. Ghopal Ji, we are waiting for your msg / views since long.

 

5 Sh. Deshmukh ji, please write your msg as soon as you feel healthy.

Ask you son-in-law to meet me during his next visit to Gwalior. My

ph. 0751-2626868 and residing in Dal Bazar.

 

6 Member with jyotishi2001 ID, who joined the forum on 16-7-

8 may please come forward with your introduction. I do not know as to

why you are concealing your identity. You must have courage to

support your stand, and rest assure except filthy language every

argument on either side is permitted in this forum. Remember, our

failure to answer a question is the gateway for touching the truth.

So do not afraid from any failure.

 

7 If any member has any question / answer/ views etc., on which you

have some hesitation then you can directly write on my email

sanatkumar_jain

 

8 I am answering every msg serially having some question for me

(within 2-3 days). If any member thinks that I have not answered his

msg. then he can very well remind me.

 

9 Continue to invite your friends of other forums for having a

vibrant discussion. Remember this is the only forum where you can

analyze astrological principles without suppressing your views.

 

10 If members may have some useful astrological e-books, article,

blog, views, news etc. then you may please upload them in file

section for the benefit of members.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

, " lion_draco1983 "

<lion_draco1983 wrote:

>

>

>

>

> dear sanat ji .

>

> Namasakar to u too .

>

> Thanks for ur mail

>

> but i had lot of fun at ur expense i am asking u to proov in

reality and

> u r asking some funny qestions ( still enjoying [] )

>

> But all this question r ur readymade ones which i read many times

b4 and

> fed up also and very unscientific and realy designed to push down

> matter under discussion knowing the facts well [] . []

>

>

>

> can u teach me wat is science or is it some thing fixed one ,does

all

> this neo science hold in that yardstick

>

>

>

> then why cant they proov delhi iron pillar is humb bug or real or

super

> ??after all this yrs ??

>

>

>

> If so phycology /history /economics /.maangement studies /all

other

> ----- subjucts why some one shud study and practise [>] .

>

>

>

> even ur science says 2 diffrnt thing at same breath []

>

>

>

> some times says fat food givs heart attack and giving low fat food

and

> says again givs heart attacks [)] ( one example and i dont want

to

> spoil my time )

>

>

>

> says exercise givs good life span ,can u show one olympian lived

more

> than 80 yrs ( may b one or 2 but i am asking u in general ) so all

> sciences except mathematics will not hold water with ur theory ,so

> better leav it ( many dies long long b4 )

>

>

>

> So now let us do in reality ,and see dictums with charts posted by

> individuals .Then i will explain all thing s with u other wise u

dont

> deserv it man ,same question i can ask to any one ,even to a

doctor ,he

> will say couple has no problem to conceiv and why not happening

last 15

> yrs he dont know .what will u say?? Modern medical science is

humbug or

> needs more time to devlp ?? or we shud trow baby with bucket and

water

> ???

>

>

>

> i will never say it is 100 % working because of various reason like

u r

> favrite science tho u r very unscientific and dogamtic and with a

evil

> mission in mind ( also foreign funded as ur adamnce shows as u need

to

> proove to ur bosses ) and says and repeats same ready made

answers .So

> u embrace science as ur saviour as it is easy for u .like a

mtchstick

> can destroy all city but cannot devlp it in one century .

>

>

>

> one exmple in my life ,when ever i visits forign countries for long

> duration and come back i get water problem ,i drink water frm india

my

> stomach will b upset for 1 week ( there and here too i drink

mineral

> water only esp after visit for 3 weeks ) .then again while

travelling

> in india tho i am using mineral water ( long distance ) ,if i change

> brand i will get stomach upset .how u explain by scince ,u can

explain

> as it is easy ,but why it is not happening to my wife ?? or

frnds ?? or

> others may b in 100s who is travelling with me ??as i travel for

> pilgrimage too .

>

>

>

> so stop dancing around and asking useless argements ,it is easy ,i

wont

> bite ur bait as u wanted to go on asking unnceesarry questions on a

life

> science and diverting real essence of it ,but intention is diffrnt

and

> also i hav to use my quality time diffrnt way ,u see whn i asked u

> ayurvedic based question u run awy as u dont want to enter there

> .because u know u will fail defenitly as it is also working science

and

> we can prove it in a months time in frnt of u even using

astrological

> theories ( i will tell u in adavnce what will happen on which

nakshtra

> days what will happen on eachnakshtra days based on same maya the

> mlecha suryaisidhanta based stars which destroyed kashmere ) where

as

> astro needs so many yrs proov in a mans life [:-$] .

>

>

>

> i know astrology is not ayurveda but we r using same priciples but

not

> dasa or charts .even i find in old generation tru prashna they say

which

> serpent or snake bite the patient ,now antivenoms is applicable (

and

> stopped using that technics ) and those days needs diffrnt

treatment for

> each kind of snake bite So good physicians prepare medicine well in

> advance means the moment party strted to meet the physician he will

b

> ready here with all facility (means asks his servants to make

> preparations and medicns and will say such a patient will come with

this

> kind of snake bite ) [O:)] .

>

>

>

> first of all leav all this propaganda ( we know u r mission

clearly ) or

> accept my challenge why cant u take it if u strongly blv it ?? [:-?]

>

>

>

> instead of classifying all predictions into diffrnt catagory with

some

> english juggling words .which is written by some one else ?? [;]

>

>

>

> even i said later we can use mass prediction s in some maidan to

ppl

> invited by a new paper advtment ,u and ur missionaries can follow

it up

> and we will keep the copy that is all .( only predictions with one

yr

> long ranging effect as it is easy )

>

>

>

> all other ur questions are backwas which is already explained in

> classics to use kala desa ,patra ,kula ,gotra and paristithy as it

is

> used as helping science than a fatal science .even modern science

also

> uses this as an afrikan and indian is diffrnt in health and

immunity

> and many other characteristics [;] .

>

>

>

> u know it very well but ur mission is diffrnt ,i remebr one lady in

> kerala died yestrday after 36 yrs in coma after emplyed some

sedativs (

> how u justify it if science working linearly why it affect her than

> helping her )

>

>

>

> if so why america failed economicaly with 56 trillion dolars

foreign

> debt and trying cover it ( i dont think astrologers and maya the

mlecha

> influenced them ) and going to fail in big way why any of ur neo

> science helped them than do another war and grab others money and

> natural resources ( u r also trying to do it as u r inflenced by

such

> forces but another way ) even according ur style of arguement if

richest

> country in world has this much debts then poor countries has 20 or

100

> times more than this foreign debt [(] , HA HA ,any way

thanks for

> a nice evening

>

> now u can strt accepting charts

>

>

>

> regrds vijaya raghavan

>

>

>

>

, " sanat2221 "

> <sanatkumar_jain@> wrote:

> >

> >

> >

> > Dear Raghvan ji,

> > Namaskar,

> > <<<<<<I dont understand still what u mean by scientific>>>>>, it

> > means that if you are of the opinion that predictive astrology is

> > science (science means, which can be proved, which can be repeated

> > and there may not be any ambiguity). Thus if pred. astrology is

> > science then you or any one must be aware as to how astrological

> > principles were formulated, what is Rahu Ketu, what is the affect

of

> > planet and so on (refer " astrology a science or myth " in file

section

> > for offering your comments. Only a firm belief without scientific

> > support can not be regarded as science.

> >

> >

> > Actually prediction may be broadly classified in the following

> > categories.

> >

> > 1. Postmortem prediction – Any past event or present situation is

> > concluded by any principle like aspect, dasha, saptmansha, navansh

> > etc., transit position of planets, by changing time of birth

> …………….

> > and so on. Thus individual is always in the impression that his

> > past/present is covered by astrology hence astrology is correct.

> >

> > 2 . Psychological prediction – Narration of situation is predicted

> in

> > a way, which appears correct due to psychological affect on mind.

> > Like " you are presently passing through some problem " . It is

evident

> > that when a person is visiting an astrologer then definitely he

must

> > be in trouble. But by saying so, astrologer touch the weakness of

> > individual and any person will start to narrate his problem like a

> > parrot. In between dialogue of the astrologer implant a

psychological

> > affect, which appears correct.

> >

> > 3 Remedial prediction – Astrologer try to convince an individual

> > that there is some problem in achieving success or in solution of

any

> > problem but it can only be avoided by wearing some gem, offering

> > etc., vastu, fengsui etc. (in which astrologer is directly

involved

> > thorough commission or so), or guide to do some offering

privately,

> > prey to his god (in which astrologer is not directly involved but

he

> > gain confidence of the client), which in turn may bring other

client

> > for extracting money. Thus if client succeed then he will

permanently

> > fall in the lap of astrologer and in case of failure astrologer

will

> > convince him that he has already warned for some problem and

remedy

> > was little affective due to higher side of negative affect of

planets.

> >

> > 4. Situational prediction – Some party, team etc. may win, heavy

> > rain, summer, winter etc., this has nothing to do with astrology

but

> > very affective in winning the confidence of local residents. Some

> > time they take help of proverb but individual is not able to

realize

> > that any planetary position socalled responsible for rain, summer

> > etc. is applicable to entire Earth. Thus rain may be on entire

Earth

> > and so on.

> >

> > 5 Fluke prediction – Like at the age of 1 or 2, any prediction

> that

> > individual may be doctor etc., Such prediction is affective to

lure

> > the parents and astrologer may get benefit. If in fluke he become

> > doctor then astrologer will get publicity.

> >

> > 6 Fixed predictions – This is the actual prediction based on some

> > principle. This is actually the signboard of astrologer but they

can

> > never predict any event except narrating some past stories to get

> > confidence of individual.

> >

> > Thus astrologer can never predict as

> > 1 any horoscope belongs to Male or Female, because sex has very

vital

> > role in the life of some one (through out the world and in all

> > religion), and it affect whole sequence of event.

> > 2 When he will be married or just have sexual relationship. Do

planet

> > knows that it is marriage and it is sexual relationship without

> > marriage?

> > 3 How many marriages. Because in India we have mostly only one

> > marriage and one partner for sexual relationship, where as Muslim

> > countries have mostly more then one marriages at a time and

western

> > countries may mostly have more then one marriage (one by one) at a

> > time but mostly have many partner for sexual relationship. So how

any

> > planet who is responsible for marriage know and affect as to who

may

> > have to lead with one wife, who may with more wives and who may

have

> > one by one many wives.

> > 4 How many childrens (male or female) and when. How planet

> > differentiate that a tribal man or osama may have more children

then

> > most of the persons of the world.

> > 5 About his Education, profession, Finance and ofcourse about his

> > death.

> >

> > Will you please intimate at least One or more principle which in

your

> > opinion is correct. But remember result must be absolute and not

> > vague or with psychological mixing. I mean to say that you may

> > intimate any principle by which you can predict above points.

> >

> > Do have any definite principle or you have a set of principles

like

> > 1- So and so time is not good or good. Now such predictions are

not

> > predictions at all. Because how a time may be bad, when your body

is

> > intact, your house is intact, your family is intact, your

education

> > is intact. But such sentence can only lead any person to magnify

his

> > problem and may confirm that his time is bad.

> > 2- You are not getting according to your knowledge. Now every

person

> > is not satisfied with, what he has. So he may just confirm. This

is

> > only psychology.

> > Thus all I repeat all predictions are psychological or if not then

> > they are randomly correct, which has noting to do with science or

> > ved, and when a result of some principle is not repeated then how

you

> > can say that it is prediction and it is science.

> >

> > We are discussing predictive astrology and not ayurvedic

treatment.

> > If ayurvedic treatment is right that what it has to do with the

> > principle of predictive astrology. Even Arya samaj who is main

> > supporter of Ved, admit that ved has nothing to do with predictive

> > astrology.

> >

> > Regarding >>>>) u ppl come in packs or fake ids and attacks and

> > humiliates<<<<<<and >>>>>> after i read u for for months<<<<<<< I

> > must clear that neither I have fake ID nor I am writing in other

> > forum except invitation to my forum. Thus I am even not reading

as to

> > which msg is being passed on to other forums, so forget for

replying.

> > I have even no time to write individual msgs and thus to cut

short I

> > use PS and cover minor points for other members. Hence there is no

> > need or use for such fake ID. There is no question of humiliation

as

> > I am putting very simple question derived from individual replies

and

> > I often suggest members to take help of other astrologer in other

> > forum or personal friends. I encourage them to interact and

suggest

> > them to invite their friends. So where is the question of

> > humiliation? Refer various SOA………. Files in file section. Where

> you

> > will find some interaction, so where is humiliation? I am not

> > exposing in their forum so their business may not be harmed. Thus

> > your contention is totally biased and unfounded.

> >

> > >>>>> ur ids like jyothishi2001>>>>, what a fun. It is not my ID.

> > Except a welcome note of 20-7-8, I have not interacted with him. I

> > even do not know his name etc.

> >

> > >>>>> problem ,but dont invite some poor ppl who r trying to help

in

> > grps and u r systematicaly abusing them with a set of questions

as u

> > r well planned and they r not .Many of them learned it even self

only

> > prediction part and using as hobby without charging one rs>>>>>>>

I

> > am only inviting those individuals who are either interested in

> > astrology (may be learner or hobby etc.) or who are advising

> > individuals (either free or for promoting their business, I am not

> > concerned). And so long he is silently reading the msg., how can I

> > ask him. There are more then +100 silent members. But when he says

> > that it is vedic or science or his prediction is 100% correct

then I

> > am asking about the principles and systematic questions. So where

is

> > the humiliation? I have also asked from you. It is not

humiliation;

> > it is exchange of views. If he is learner and have some wrong idea

> > about the predictive astrology then he must know the truth from

his

> > own logic. You must know that counter question is neither abusing

nor

> > humiliation. Moreover I am not concerned with an individual as to

who

> > is he, I am only concerned with principles of predictive

astrology.

> > That's I have also interacted with the members who have not

disclosed

> > their name etc. Because my mission is only to find the truth and

to

> > intimate the truth. Thus I always used to write at the end of the

> > msg. that discussion is not personal but academic. And for the

> > convenience compiled some interaction in various SOA……. Files, so

> he

> > may pick any point of his choice.

> >

> > I hope this will clear the mind of many silent members too.

> >

> > I am not interested in banning any member like other forums. But

> > definitely I will like to maintain decorum. I hope you will

maintain

> > the decorum and take part in discussion with your stand, instead

of

> > writing msg. without any substance for discussion. So far writing

of

> > Sh AK Kaul is concerned, I can say that he always maintain and

like

> > good language. He is very senior, learned, logical and active.

Thus I

> > will like to emphasize that inability of a member, to answer is

not

> > humiliation but it is a gateway for him to think a fresh, with

open

> > mind and ask such points in other forum / astrologers so that he

may

> > be mentally strong in either way and come forward with some

logical,

> > scientific reply. I have asked a very simple question as to what

is

> > Rahu Ketu and so on from some reputed astrologers. They are not

> > replying and quitting the forum or are silent. Is it humiliation?

We

> > are just learning and teaching simultaneously. I hope you will

> > continue.

> >

> > Thanks

> >

> > Yours truly,

> > Sanat

> >

> >

> > PS:

> > 1 Welcome to new members. They can take up any point for

discussion.

> >

> > 2 Member with jyotishi2001@ ID, who joined the forum on 16-7-

> > 8 may please come forward with his introduction. I do not know as

to

> > why he is concealing his identity. He must have courage to support

> > his stand, and rest assure except filthy language every argument

on

> > either side is permitted in this forum.

> >

> > 3 Some members are not replying on pending points. I hope by now

> > they have gathered the information in support of his stand.

> >

> >

> >

> > , " lion_draco1983 "

> > lion_draco1983@ wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Mr .sanat

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > thanks for ur response and warning

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > I dont understand still what u mean by scientific as u not ready

> > to

> > > see any results on actual basis .now let me repeat .

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > i posted a chart 4 days back ( and till today u or sri AKK or

> > none of

> > > ur cronies never bothered to reply me ) and i will pick more

charts

> > frm

> > > vedic astro grps ( as i hav memebrship in all prime grps and i

will

> > > quote even messge numbers and date for ur convenience ) which is

> > posted

> > > by diffrnt ppl who came for predictions .so u can see all those

> > charts

> > > and tell me were it is not working since u said u r 35 yrs in

> > astrology

> > > and as u find it is not working and AKK ji was in astro since

> > > generations and he also find it is not working and that is the

> > reasons u

> > > go to veda s and other literature and find that this is mass

> > cheating

> > > system .so proove me that first ( and u can check the where

abts abt

> > > queriests urself and satisfied then only u need to step into

it .)

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > after considering various chart for a yr or let us fix a

time ,see

> > the

> > > probablity and correctness ( even i will participate -simple 18

> > months

> > > exprnced man than ur tall claims ,may b into predictiv part of

> > astro as

> > > i find it is very well working in our treatments ,as i am an

> > ayurvedic

> > > by profession ) ,

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > kerala ayurvedic by generations and our ancesters suffered

similar

> > > queries ( insults ) to proov scientificaly . how oil applied

over

> > the

> > > body is working for inside the body ??how it can cure

epilepsy ??

> > how it

> > > can cure mental problems ,does any one is fool to think this

herb we

> > > find in street which cost u nothing ( those days ) can cure ,it

is

> > > humbug to devil worship etc etc ,and using coconut oil ( we r

giving

> > > upto 200ml of ghee daily in some treatments and after full

cource is

> > > finished no cholostrol u can find by modern methods -i mean un

usual

> > > --so what u proove ghee has fat or not ???) in medicine can

kill u

> > as it

> > > has highest cholestol -those days medias and these kind of ppl (

> > now u r

> > > doing for diffrnt indian science ) and we dont hav any voice

those

> > as we

> > > dont own any print media which was very power ful those days .)

That

> > was

> > > another story and now all upside down with god grace .

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > I find u ppl hav diffrnt aim and it is viscible as u r not

ready to

> > > accept those challenge and want to divert the dicsussion to

> > unlimited

> > > vedas and proofs and it can only done by some one with no real

job

> > > ,where as i asked u systematicaly .let us first proov it it is

> > humbug as

> > > u claimed ,then we can conduct massive prediction s even in

maidans

> > > after ur ppl organised it and invite ppl frm all over one

selected

> > city

> > > too.i will sent u good astrologers .Then once it is prooven

then it

> > > becomes my head ache to giv the proof in vedas after i test all

ur

> > > knowledge and worthiness.Beacuse real vedic scholars r coming to

> > u .not

> > > me .so ask them .they r not trivedies or chaturvedies just by

name

> > in

> > > actual also they r vedies .

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > if u want to ban me u ,i welcome it and that is always a

conveneint

> > > measure too .But i promise u if u provoke me i will defently

> > provoke u

> > > too ,yes offcource u can ban me and avoid me

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > but tel me why u ppl systematicaly invited astrologers and when

> > ever

> > > they r trying to discuss some thing ( even most of them r non

> > > professional too and hobbyists ) u ppl come in packs or fake ids

> > and

> > > attacks and humiliates

> > >

> > > after i read u for for months and then only i took this stand .

(of

> > > cource not in this grp ),so after seeing ur last mail on VA grp

i

> > > decided to join u .No need to scract ur head how i came here

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > so welcome let us proov its humbug ( wheter correct prediction

on

> > wrong

> > > data as AKK JI used to say ) as ur idea of science always says

> > > discard real proofs .

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > the idol of muruga in palani temple (kartik ) is made of 9 kind

of

> > > chemicals and it is known as nava pashana ( 9 poison idol )

> > moorthy too

> > > ,and for generation many used the panchamrit after doing

abhishekam

> > and

> > > cured lot of diseases ,now the idol strted wear and tear and we

> > lost the

> > > technic of making such idol with this methods ( it is in sidha

> > medicine

> > > which is created by rishi agastrya and his 18 disciple' s-who

was

> > father

> > > of astrology in south and gaurdian rishi of south ) Now u and

AKK

> > will

> > > call him also charlatan and who fall for maya the mlecha ,were

as

> > his

> > > periods are much much b4 them ,so after hearing all this .And u

> > expect

> > > ppl like me shud use good language and show decency to

u .without u

> > ppl

> > > not prooving anything .It is not my duty to search and inform or

> > teach u

> > > ppl ,u search and proove me so thing will b easy for u as u got

> > enough

> > > funds and me i need only 5 minits to answer u ( good idea

right ??)

> > as u

> > > r here to proove vedic astrology is humbug .so r u ready ??

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > do u think AKK is only vedic scholar or did he reserch only for

> > > astrology in vedas ?? i even said i am ready to discuss it but

> > after u

> > > find astro is working or not working according vedic methods

> > then we

> > > can discuss ur those 2 mails daily appearing and i am seeing in

> > various

> > > grps .

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > u said u r inviting astrologers -but u r inviting in diffrnt

way -

> > did u

> > > ever said u r mail that it is for this kind of discussion ,so

first

> > u

> > > shown u dont need any respect and then preaching to me of my

> > language

> > > .did all ur ids like jyothishi2001( WHY U USE THIS KIND OF ID

IF U

> > > FIND ASTRO IS NOT WORKING AND WANT TO PROOV IT IS WRONG ) etc

> > what it

> > > means ,if u find astrology not working u can say ,or even

conduct

> > > harthal or dharna ,i hav no problem ,but dont invite some poor

ppl

> > who

> > > r trying to help in grps and u r systematicaly abusing them

with a

> > set

> > > of questions as u r well planned and they r not .Many of them

> > learned it

> > > even self only prediction part and using as hobby without

charging

> > one

> > > rs

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > i know Mr krishna for long time he never used astrology for

> > cheating any

> > > one -he got enough money for his rest of life as he was an IT

> > computer

> > > engineer who worked in many forgien countries and when he said

abt

> > some

> > > reserch u ppl abused and provoked him as if even he done reserh

on

> > > drandruf ,is this is decent way of answering ??

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > when sri LY rao ( i know him as old gentle man in Kp grps tho i

hav

> > > memebrships in kp grps i dont try KP till today ) he said abt

his

> > > prashna exprnces which is used for a short duration of a day ,u

> > abused

> > > him ,like --is all ruling planets show this . is this is the

way u

> > call

> > > scienific or decency .is this is the way to discuss in a

civilised

> > way

> > > as u says ??? why dont u test it in reality ??with him than

abusing

> > > which u ppl find is very easy and call urself scientific ???????

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > even when ever i post i am getting reply on some unimportant

lines

> > in

> > > mail .just extract convent part and replies ,because u r idea is

> > > diffrnt .So i openly write it as i hav also right to use my own

> > > inteligence and tell the truth of ur missions .

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > .even if i proove vedas has astrology if it is not useful in

day to

> > day

> > > life then what is the use ,and again u ppl will come for kutarka

> > again

> > > ,so to save time i designed this challenge for u .first i will

> > prove its

> > > application then digging of vedas we can strt .By the time i

will

> > get

> > > enough time as i will b in north india for a yr min as one more

> > centre

> > > is opening

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > now iam typing in between session s and i hav to wash and clean

my

> > hand

> > > as i am using medicated oil in treatment s so to touch

> > computers ,some

> > > oils are too sticky too .i hav to hav time ,so pls avoid this

> > kutarka

> > > line with me as i will feel i am being used as tool for ur

secret

> > > missions ,then i cannot control myself as our business needs

lot of

> > > satwik energy .In other words i am not sitting 24 hrs for u in

> > computer.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > hope u understand me and pls let us go ahed or ban me as it is

> > > convenient ,the choice is urs .

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > be short,sweet and crisp .giv respect and take respect this

includes

> > > other time u r using in the pretext of searching for scietific

base

> > also

> > > .

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > thanks for time .

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > regrds vijaya raghavan

> > >

> > >

> > > , " sanat2221 "

> > > <sanatkumar_jain@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Raghvan ji,

> > > > Namaskar,

> > > > First of all sorry for my msg of 2-10-8, which was in

response to

> > > > your first msg. dated 30-9-08 (which was also your date of

> > joining in

> > > > this forum). In my reply I was confused as to who is the

writer,

> > > > because you have neither mentioned your name in the membership

> > menu

> > > > nor in the msg. nor you bothered to introduce your-self. So

it is

> > a

> > > > matter of wrong identity. Thus you can very well eliminate

> > irrelevant

> > > > matter from my msg. of 2-10-8.

> > > >

> > > > I will not offer any reply on your abusive language, because

this

> > > > forum is meant for academic discussion and I will not allow

it to

> > > > turn in to the fight of street dogs. I have no objection for

your

> > > > staying more then a weak >>>>> i will stay in grp for one week

> > > > more.<<<<< but you have to behave properly. I think we have no

> > > > previous discussion on the matter hence I am unable to answer

any

> > > > irrelevant point. Sh AK Kaul ji has correctly replied your

msg.

> > and

> > > > thereafter I have nothing to say.

> > > >

> > > > Be careful in writing, limit your writings to astrological

> > > > principles, behave properly, it is my first and last warning.

> > > > Otherwise, next time I will terminate your membership. I am

> > watching

> > > > your msg. Try to learn, how to write a msg. from the msgs of

Sh.

> > > > Prabhakar ji. Difference of opinion is one thing. I always

welcome

> > > > such difference. Rather I am continuously inviting

astrologers,

> > not

> > > > for supporting me but to have proper interaction on various

points

> > > > related to predictive astrology. But abusive language is

different

> > > > and can never be allowed during serious interactions.

> > > >

> > > > Thanks,

> > > >

> > > > Yours truly,

> > > >

> > > > Sanat

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > , " lion_draco1983 "

> > > > lion_draco1983@ wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > dear sanat or who ever u r ( because i dont know ur new

> > christain

> > > > name )

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > u r dancing around ,i posted everything clearly ,it was a

post

> > frm

> > > > vedic

> > > > > astrology grp where u r also a memebr and i said i can see

> > clearly

> > > > the

> > > > > problems in his chart .

> > > > >

> > > > > so dont dance around ,i know u did understand ,u say u r

only

> > > > scientific

> > > > > ,but now i am sure abt ur intention s bharath shud loose

this

> > > > skills and

> > > > > u ppl can get a run over on hindus that is all ,why u negete

> > > > > prathyaksha anubhva ???is it scientific

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > i stick with my challenge to u on my own way as i am

interested

> > > > only in

> > > > > results than simple howling like a dog .

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > so be ready or say u r finsihed .

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > i dont need ur fees by god s grace .i am rich than wat u

think

> > > > after 2

> > > > > generation of humiliation frm u ppl .and our generation is

doing

> > > > good

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > pls re reAD my mails .

> > > > >

> > > > > i dont hav time to argue or even type ,if u ready inform

me ,i

> > will

> > > > stay

> > > > > in grp for one week more.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > if u r ready u will b cleared of ur ignorence ( self

imposed or

> > > > > finnced by some lobbies )

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > regrds vijaya raghavan

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > , " sanat2221 "

> > > > > <sanatkumar_jain@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear divyesh ji,

> > > > > > Namaskar,

> > > > > > Thanks for your msgs.

> > > > > > Though I do not want to reply your msg. because I am not

> > doing any

> > > > > > prediction. But your both msgs are contradicting where in

your

> > > > first

> > > > > > msg you have highlighted your problems and about spending

lot

> > of

> > > > > > money on astrologers; and in 2nd msg you are saying that

> > >>>>>i am

> > > > > > not the queriest nor looking for any predictions. i was

asking

> > > > akk ji

> > > > > > and sanat ji who says they hav good command over vedic

> > astrology

> > > > and

> > > > > > now says it is not in veda ,uapanishats or puranas and it

is

> > > > > > humbug<<<<<<. So first of all please let me know in which

msg

> > or

> > > > in

> > > > > > which forum I claimed that I have a good command over

Vedic

> > > > astrology

> > > > > > (for doing any prediction except for discussion). You can

> > imagine

> > > > > > that when I am studying astrology since last +35 years and

> > written

> > > > > > two original books than definitely I may be some what well

> > aware,

> > > > but

> > > > > > I have never exploited with any Vaak Patuta (communication

> > skill)

> > > > or

> > > > > > by negative prediction or remedy circus and so on. When I

am

> > > > saying

> > > > > > that it is not in Ved it means something. If you, or your

> > > > astrologer

> > > > > > or friends have some patience (other then their business

> > interest)

> > > > > > then they can discuss it.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > So far your problem is concerned; I will like to say that

you

> > may

> > > > > > continue to loose your money as long as you have money to

> > fill the

> > > > > > stomach of astrologers. No body on Earth can help you so

long

> > you

> > > > > > have no wisdom to analyze a problem. Remember, problem it-

> > self is

> > > > not

> > > > > > problem, it is our inability to find the proper solution.

> > Planets

> > > > > > have nothing to do with your wife or your problem. So

either

> > you

> > > > must

> > > > > > know the bottom side story or you may wander from one

> > astrologer

> > > > to

> > > > > > another. When one astrologer will suggest some remedy

another

> > will

> > > > > > suggest some another remedy. So continue with this remedy

> > circus.

> > > > In

> > > > > > my opinion you are in need of a family counselor. However,

> > you may

> > > > > > continue to take advice, whatever you think may be

beneficial

> > to

> > > > you.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Regarding >>>>> and i can see problems clearly in his

chart

> > other

> > > > > > wise i am fed up with same mails of both of them all astro

> > > > > > forums<<<<<<< I will like to say that where you find my

chart

> > and

> > > > I

> > > > > > have neither asked you for my problem neither in this

forum

> > nor in

> > > > > > any other forum, otherwise like Sh Harish JI, you will

also

> > ask

> > > > for

> > > > > > fee. So far same msg is concerned, what can be done if

every

> > > > member

> > > > > > like to have discussion from the very beginning and

> > conveniently

> > > > > > observe silence just to show his greatness (but they are

more

> > > > > > interested in their business). I can only suggest and

request

> > that

> > > > > > whenever you see my msg. you can simply skip it. OK.

However,

> > I

> > > > find

> > > > > > that you have just joined our forum. So I am unable to

> > understand

> > > > > > your observations.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Hope to read your msg. regularly.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Thanks,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Yours truly,

> > > > > > Sanat

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > --- In

, " lion_draco1983 "

> > > > > > lion_draco1983@ wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > dear kaul ji and sanat ji

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > pls dee this chart according to vedic astrology and giv

us

> > ur

> > > > > > comments

> > > > > > > .let us get back to exprnce of a person than excavating

for

> > so

> > > > > > called

> > > > > > > proofs as a culture which has gone tru various turmoil

need

> > not

> > > > hav

> > > > > > all

> > > > > > > supporting documents .

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Now i am a student ( means not regular but arm chair )

of

> > > > > > astrology .

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > see his moon dasa and see his debilated venus and its

> > aspect on

> > > > dasa

> > > > > > > Lord and his life exprnce

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > here is the post .

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > dear sir/madam

> > > > > > > PLEASE DO NOT GET OFFENDED AS I HAVE POSTED MY PROBLEM

ON

> > HERE

> > > > > > BEFORE, I

> > > > > > > DO NOT

> > > > > > > MEAN ANY KIND OF OFFENCE OR AM I SAYING THAT PEOPLE WHO

HAVE

> > > > > > ADVISED ME

> > > > > > > BEFORE

> > > > > > > ARE WRONG OR NOT GENUINE, SOME OF YOU ARE RIGHT, BUT MY

> > PLIGHT

> > > > IS

> > > > > > STILL

> > > > > > > THERE,

> > > > > > > AND I REPOST OUT OF FRUSTRATION.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > i have contact many dozens of astrologers, in the last

few

> > > > months

> > > > > > > because, my

> > > > > > > life is a still mess, i have lost my job, my marriage

has

> > been a

> > > > > > mess

> > > > > > > and me and

> > > > > > > my wife dont talk and have not slept in the same

bedroom for

> > > > over

> > > > > > 10yrs,

> > > > > > > we are

> > > > > > > only together for sake of kids.,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > i know abt my mahadasa and antradasa etc, but i still

> > believe

> > > > > > things can

> > > > > > > be done

> > > > > > > here and now.

> > > > > > > all astrologers have told me so many different things, i

> > have

> > > > paid

> > > > > > so

> > > > > > > much

> > > > > > > money,(in total i must of paid at least 3500pounds in

the

> > last

> > > > > > 12months

> > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > poojas, yagnas and chart readings and advice alone).

yet i

> > am no

> > > > > > better

> > > > > > > off in

> > > > > > > any respect,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Â i have done many prayers to all sorts of planets and

> gods,

> > > i

> > > > > have

> > > > > > > been told to

> > > > > > > spend more money on gemstones which vary from blue

> > sapphire, red

> > > > > > coral,

> > > > > > > pearl,

> > > > > > > emerald, and diamond,, i have been told such things as

> > shani or

> > > > > > rahu, or

> > > > > > > ketu,

> > > > > > > or sun or moon or jupiter or venus is affecting me,

> > > > > > > or to pay to have more poojas and yagnas done, i have

been

> > told

> > > > > > that i

> > > > > > > have been

> > > > > > > cursed, blackmagic, pitru curse, naag(cobra) curse, and

many

> > > > more

> > > > > > other

> > > > > > > things,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > i have been told that i should pray to my weaker

(malefic)

> > > > planets to

> > > > > > > make them

> > > > > > > stronger, or that i should NOT pray to my weaker

(malefic)

> > > > planets,

> > > > > > as

> > > > > > > praying to

> > > > > > > them will cause more harm as i am making them stronger

to

> > harm

> > > > me

> > > > > > more,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > or that i should pray to my benefic planets to make them

> > even

> > > > > > stronger,

> > > > > > > or that

> > > > > > > i should NOT pray to them as they are stronger anyway.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I know there are many systems of looking at charts!!!

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > i just need help, and the astrologer who help me sort my

> > > > problems,

> > > > > > will

> > > > > > > see a

> > > > > > > share of my gains, as i will need guidance all my life.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Also should an astrologer/priest get paid before any

> > results are

> > > > > > > shown??? its

> > > > > > > like paying a doctor before he has given you medicine

which

> > > > works,

> > > > > > its

> > > > > > > like

> > > > > > > paying for machine to be repaired before you know it

can be

> > > > > > repaired, or

> > > > > > > if the

> > > > > > > engineer has repaired it properly at all.(if you know

what i

> > > > mean)

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > name divyesh parekh

> > > > > > > tob 18.28pm

> > > > > > > place mumbai india

> > > > > > > date 17th aug 1965

> > > > > > > been living in the uk since 1967

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > wifes name kamlash parekh

> > > > > > > tob 2200pm

> > > > > > > place birmingham, UK

> > > > > > > date 28 feb 1968

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > i want to truly know how to become wealthy and happy in

my

> > > > > > marriage. I

> > > > > > > do

> > > > > > > believe a good astrologer/priest can tell me how to

achieve

> > all

> > > > > > this,

> > > > > > > even if my

> > > > > > > charts do not show it now, its just knowing the right

> > mantra,

> > > > right

> > > > > > > gemstone,

> > > > > > > right offering etc. thru the power of faith and prayer

> > nothing

> > > > is

> > > > > > > impossible. no

> > > > > > > matter what the charts say. its about having belief and

> > > > commitment.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Â we also live in a materialistic world and even god

> knows

> > > that

> > > > i

> > > > > > > have

> > > > > > > responsibilities to my family etc, so i cant spend

15hours

> > a day

> > > > > > praying

> > > > > > > or

> > > > > > > spend all my money on poojas, yagnas etc.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > When i was young i knew a priest who could achieve

> > anything,Â

> > > > but

> > > > > > he

> > > > > > > has died

> > > > > > > many years ago,(he never asked for a penny) i saw him

work

> > > > miracles

> > > > > > > myself, my

> > > > > > > parents told me he was favoured by maa kali. and i have

> > always

> > > > said

> > > > > > that

> > > > > > > there

> > > > > > > must be another person like him on this planet,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > i have been to many holy places like haridwar,

trirupati,

> > and

> > > > > > gayagi,

> > > > > > > and many

> > > > > > > more. but have only empty promises or con men.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > My faith in god will never be questioned. shiva, vishnu,

> > brahma

> > > > and

> > > > > > maa

> > > > > > > shakti,

> > > > > > > and i will always believe in god, i will do my prayers

till

> > i

> > > > die,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > again apologies sincerely i do not wish to offend, but i

> > seek

> > > > that

> > > > > > one

> > > > > > > true

> > > > > > > person for me,(maybe my future guru)

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > regards

> > > > > > > divyesh

> > > > > > > vedic-

astrology/message/105854

> > > > > > > <vedic-

> > astrology/message/105854>

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > regrds VR

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

dear sanat

 

sure this time also u make me smile by ur twisted logics and i enjoyed it as all public is seeing u clay feet and futility of ur claims as when ever i bring the point tru various exmples u r brushing aside as it is not predictive astrology where as u dont hav real courage to touch any charts .

 

u r cheating ur self ,i strted with a common tread that i will show first efficacy of astrology (offcource u will show me where classics failed ) and i will take charts frm only published list ( not created by me ) ,and then we can even do a public gathering ( again ur putting advtment and inviting ppl ) and accept their charts .Again i told u u can use ur missionary frnds to see the efficacy for a span of 1 yr as we need to close this challenge also .( here where is confusion ) again we r not accepting any money or even gift for all this game ,so where is the cheating as u said ??

 

how astrology formed or how sani got its name all such discussion s we can do later as i blv in showing efficacy first ( which u never acheived in ur so called +35 yrs into astrology and rest of ur life into missionary activities ,where as simple 18 months in predictiv and b4 in medical astrology ( not modern but old ) ) i know its efficacy .even in ayurveda or other so many indian science we use .

 

rest of ur mail u dont deserve an answer as it is designed to twist logics and bring discussion to a sort of long long arguements ,u r here doing arguements for the sake of arguemnt and not doing any constructiv discussion as ur mission is diffrnt .

 

what is the problem if u realy blv astro is non working science and totaly baseless in accepting charts ,pls illuminate me

 

wish u happy dassera and vijaya dasami .

 

 

rgeds viajay raghavan .

 

, "sanat2221" <sanatkumar_jain wrote:>> > Dear Raghvan ji,> Namaskar,> I think you have decided to always sidetrack the issue. This forum is > discussing the predictive astrological principles and not ayurved or > stomach or economy of America or your patient and so on. Yes, if you > have some principle by which you can substantiate the stomach or > economy or child birth etc then come forward with that principle. Try > to be specific on questions, otherwise there is no sense in throwing > the irrelevant sentences/para.> > You and every member must be clear that predictive astrology has > nothing to do with Hindu religion. Even if you are bent upon to link > the predictive astrology with religion then I can only feel sorry. > > Try to continue a point instead of leaving it unattended. So that any > conclusion may be drawn. I always try to follow this. > > >>>>>u r asking some funny qestions ( still enjoying [] ) But all > this question r ur readymade ones which i read many times b4 and> fed up also and very unscientific and realy designed to push down> matter under discussion knowing the facts well [] . []<<<<<< Even you or so-called learner / expert astrologers are not replying > despite repeating various readymade questions. What is the harm if > you reply these readymade old questions or admit that you do not have > answer then we can go ahead in some new direction. But point should > be attended.> > >>>>can u teach me wat is science ……………. so> better leav it ( many dies long long b4)<<<<<< We must focus on > predictive astrology and do not try to divert the issue.> > >>>>So now let us do in reality ,and see dictums with charts posted > by individuals .Then i will explain all thing s …….all city but > cannot devlp it in one century .<<<<<<<<> I have asked you some pinpointed principles, which we can apply on > various horoscopes. So come forward with charts and supportive > principles regarding fixed predictions as pointed out in my msg dated > 6-10-8.> > >>>>>>>one exmple in my life ,when ever i visits forign countries for > long…………. may b in 100s who is travelling with me ??as i travel for > pilgrimage too .<<<<<< So you may come out with any predictive > principle. Your visit to foreign countries or pilgrimage has nothing > to do with the correctness of predictive astrology. > > >>>>>>>>so stop dancing around and asking useless argements ………..yrs > proov in a mans life [:-$] .<<<<<> Is it useless to ask as to what is Rahu Ketu. Is it useless to ask as > to how sign were devised. Is it useless to ask as to how various > principles of signlord, aspect, friendship, exalted, dasha etc. were > formulated. And in your opinion it is only useful to misguide a > simple innocent person by claiming that astrology is Vedic or > astrology is science and exploiting the issue by linking it with > religion, whereas Krishna himself said about Karm (Mahabharat was > written by Ved Vyas who was son of Parashar. Then he can very well > support his father and Krishna may say that take action according to > planetary transit and so on………). Do not argue for the sake of > argument. > > >>>>>>i know astrology is not ayurveda but we r using same > priciples……… kind of snake bite ) [O:)] .<<<<<<< When you know that > Ayruved is not astrology then why are you wasting time and energy. Be > specific on predictive astrology.> > >>>>>>first of all leav all this propaganda ( we know u r mission > clearly ) or accept my challenge why cant u take it if u strongly blv > it ?? [:-?]<<<<<<< Asking a pointed question when out of 180 members > almost 177 members may be on your side is not a propaganda. You > should know that propaganda is done among like minded members as is > being done in 99 % forums (Sh Kaul Ji what is your opinion? As you > are member of many forums), where dissident voice is banned. It is > your failure, which you are trying to coverup by using some > irrelevant points (or some filthy language). How I can create a > propaganda when more then 95% members may not agree with me or when > I am inviting astrologers who may definitely be against me. But I am > discussing with open mind and you are discussing with biased > attitude. I am studying astrology since last +35 years and come out > with two original books, on which every astrologer is silent. Why, > because it is not propaganda but they are eye opener. You can also > read these books in your spare time to know the bare truth. > > >>>>>>instead of classifying all predictions into diffrnt catagory > with some english juggling words .which is written by some one > else ?? [;]<<<<<<< It is all my narration. Spare some time and go > through all my msgs. You must know that I have written two books and > working on third book so I can very well express my views. And after > writing two original research based books I have sufficient backup to > question your skill and answer on various points being raised by > astrologers to misguide a simple man. If you are interested to verify > my statement then you can go through my book ("Jyotish Kitna Sahi > Kitna Galat" in Hindi or "Astrology a science or myth" in English, > whose front picture is signature picture of the forum.).> > >>>>>>all other ur questions are backwas which is already explained > in classics ………… afrikan and indian is diffrnt in health and immunity > and many other characteristics [;] .<<<<<<<< If my questions are > backwas then why they have been explained in classics, Or you are > saying that classics have answer on backwaas. If it (backwas) is > already contained in classics then why you are not coming forward > with answers instead of throwing your arguments here and there. I > will like to suggest that you can take help of other forums and may > ask your friends and learned / learner astrologers in this forum. I > have no objection or you may take any point from my old > blog "Astrology a science or myth" or from various SOA………… files or > msgs, which are pending because astrologers are not able to even > support their stand or you may come forward on any point (but only > astrology).> > >>>u know it very well but ur mission is diffrnt ,i remebr one lady in> kerala died yesterday……….. 100 times more than this foreign debt > <<<<< It would have been more fruitful if any astrologer out of lakhs > astrologer may have been warned about such incident instead of > beating the bush. > > >>>>>>[(] , HA HA ,any way thanks for a nice evening<<<< Hope to > have many more nice evening.> > >>>>>now u can strt accepting charts<<<<<<< You can go ahead in any > direction because you may have no answer on my pointed issues. > Otherwise continue our points to have some conclusion instead of > diverting the issue. Even after some hot exchages we have not yet > started any discussion on any astrological point. It shows your > attitude towards a sincere discussion. When you are not prepared to > think a fresh with open mind even after experiment of Sh Narlikar Ji > then it is rather difficult to convince you on your off-shot comments.> > Remember that outcome of discussion is not going to terminate our > existence or business. So be cool, logical, remain within framework. > When I am prepared to think a fresh on any point if raised by any > member (who are almost against my views) then why are you not > prepared to have open mind when everybody is on your side and come > forward with straight answer. And why are you loosing your temper, > which is evident from your msgs. Remember it is academic discussion > and not the fight for bread and butter.> > Thanks> > Yours truly,> Sanat> > Members :> > Welcome to all new members. You may please take active part in open > discussion.> > 1 Silent members may please come forward and share your views on > either side. Membership of any member will not be terminated; so long > you are using a good language irrespective of your stand.> > 2 Ms. Dipika Ji, you are not regular like Sh. AK Kaul ji. I hope you > may be OK.> > 3 Sh. Prabhakar Ji, Nathani Ji may please come forward with your > answers. I hope by now you may have searched the answers in > Lalkitab / astrological book. Sh Nirmal Kumar Bhardwaj ji (or any > other member), if you want then you can also pick up the point of Sh > Prabhakar ji.> > 4 Sh. Ghopal Ji, we are waiting for your msg / views since long.> > 5 Sh. Deshmukh ji, please write your msg as soon as you feel healthy. > Ask you son-in-law to meet me during his next visit to Gwalior. My > ph. 0751-2626868 and residing in Dal Bazar.> > 6 Member with jyotishi2001 ID, who joined the forum on 16-7-> 8 may please come forward with your introduction. I do not know as to > why you are concealing your identity. You must have courage to > support your stand, and rest assure except filthy language every > argument on either side is permitted in this forum. Remember, our > failure to answer a question is the gateway for touching the truth. > So do not afraid from any failure.> > 7 If any member has any question / answer/ views etc., on which you > have some hesitation then you can directly write on my email > sanatkumar_jain > 8 I am answering every msg serially having some question for me > (within 2-3 days). If any member thinks that I have not answered his > msg. then he can very well remind me.> > 9 Continue to invite your friends of other forums for having a > vibrant discussion. Remember this is the only forum where you can > analyze astrological principles without suppressing your views.> > 10 If members may have some useful astrological e-books, article, > blog, views, news etc. then you may please upload them in file > section for the benefit of members.> > > > > > > > > , "lion_draco1983" > lion_draco1983@ wrote:> >> > > > > > > > dear sanat ji .> > > > Namasakar to u too .> > > > Thanks for ur mail> > > > but i had lot of fun at ur expense i am asking u to proov in > reality and> > u r asking some funny qestions ( still enjoying [] )> > > > But all this question r ur readymade ones which i read many times > b4 and> > fed up also and very unscientific and realy designed to push down> > matter under discussion knowing the facts well [] . []> > > > > > > > can u teach me wat is science or is it some thing fixed one ,does > all> > this neo science hold in that yardstick> > > > > > > > then why cant they proov delhi iron pillar is humb bug or real or > super> > ??after all this yrs ??> > > > > > > > If so phycology /history /economics /.maangement studies /all > other > > ----- subjucts why some one shud study and practise [>] .> > > > > > > > even ur science says 2 diffrnt thing at same breath []> > > > > > > > some times says fat food givs heart attack and giving low fat food > and> > says again givs heart attacks [)] ( one example and i dont want > to> > spoil my time )> > > > > > > > says exercise givs good life span ,can u show one olympian lived > more> > than 80 yrs ( may b one or 2 but i am asking u in general ) so all> > sciences except mathematics will not hold water with ur theory ,so> > better leav it ( many dies long long b4 )> > > > > > > > So now let us do in reality ,and see dictums with charts posted by> > individuals .Then i will explain all thing s with u other wise u > dont> > deserv it man ,same question i can ask to any one ,even to a > doctor ,he> > will say couple has no problem to conceiv and why not happening > last 15> > yrs he dont know .what will u say?? Modern medical science is > humbug or> > needs more time to devlp ?? or we shud trow baby with bucket and > water> > ???> > > > > > > > i will never say it is 100 % working because of various reason like > u r> > favrite science tho u r very unscientific and dogamtic and with a > evil> > mission in mind ( also foreign funded as ur adamnce shows as u need > to> > proove to ur bosses ) and says and repeats same ready made > answers .So> > u embrace science as ur saviour as it is easy for u .like a > mtchstick> > can destroy all city but cannot devlp it in one century .> > > > > > > > one exmple in my life ,when ever i visits forign countries for long> > duration and come back i get water problem ,i drink water frm india > my> > stomach will b upset for 1 week ( there and here too i drink > mineral> > water only esp after visit for 3 weeks ) .then again while > travelling> > in india tho i am using mineral water ( long distance ) ,if i change> > brand i will get stomach upset .how u explain by scince ,u can > explain> > as it is easy ,but why it is not happening to my wife ?? or > frnds ?? or> > others may b in 100s who is travelling with me ??as i travel for> > pilgrimage too .> > > > > > > > so stop dancing around and asking useless argements ,it is easy ,i > wont> > bite ur bait as u wanted to go on asking unnceesarry questions on a > life> > science and diverting real essence of it ,but intention is diffrnt > and> > also i hav to use my quality time diffrnt way ,u see whn i asked u> > ayurvedic based question u run awy as u dont want to enter there> > .because u know u will fail defenitly as it is also working science > and> > we can prove it in a months time in frnt of u even using > astrological> > theories ( i will tell u in adavnce what will happen on which > nakshtra> > days what will happen on eachnakshtra days based on same maya the> > mlecha suryaisidhanta based stars which destroyed kashmere ) where > as> > astro needs so many yrs proov in a mans life [:-$] .> > > > > > > > i know astrology is not ayurveda but we r using same priciples but > not> > dasa or charts .even i find in old generation tru prashna they say > which> > serpent or snake bite the patient ,now antivenoms is applicable ( > and> > stopped using that technics ) and those days needs diffrnt > treatment for> > each kind of snake bite So good physicians prepare medicine well in> > advance means the moment party strted to meet the physician he will > b> > ready here with all facility (means asks his servants to make> > preparations and medicns and will say such a patient will come with > this> > kind of snake bite ) [O:)] .> > > > > > > > first of all leav all this propaganda ( we know u r mission > clearly ) or> > accept my challenge why cant u take it if u strongly blv it ?? [:-?]> > > > > > > > instead of classifying all predictions into diffrnt catagory with > some> > english juggling words .which is written by some one else ?? [;]> > > > > > > > even i said later we can use mass prediction s in some maidan to > ppl> > invited by a new paper advtment ,u and ur missionaries can follow > it up> > and we will keep the copy that is all .( only predictions with one > yr> > long ranging effect as it is easy )> > > > > > > > all other ur questions are backwas which is already explained in> > classics to use kala desa ,patra ,kula ,gotra and paristithy as it > is> > used as helping science than a fatal science .even modern science > also> > uses this as an afrikan and indian is diffrnt in health and > immunity> > and many other characteristics [;] .> > > > > > > > u know it very well but ur mission is diffrnt ,i remebr one lady in> > kerala died yestrday after 36 yrs in coma after emplyed some > sedativs (> > how u justify it if science working linearly why it affect her than> > helping her )> > > > > > > > if so why america failed economicaly with 56 trillion dolars > foreign> > debt and trying cover it ( i dont think astrologers and maya the > mlecha> > influenced them ) and going to fail in big way why any of ur neo> > science helped them than do another war and grab others money and> > natural resources ( u r also trying to do it as u r inflenced by > such> > forces but another way ) even according ur style of arguement if > richest> > country in world has this much debts then poor countries has 20 or > 100> > times more than this foreign debt [(] , HA HA ,any way > thanks for> > a nice evening> > > > now u can strt accepting charts> > > > > > > > regrds vijaya raghavan> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "sanat2221"> > <sanatkumar_jain@> wrote:> > >> > >> > >> > > Dear Raghvan ji,> > > Namaskar,> > > <<<<<<I dont understand still what u mean by scientific>>>>>, it> > > means that if you are of the opinion that predictive astrology is> > > science (science means, which can be proved, which can be repeated> > > and there may not be any ambiguity). Thus if pred. astrology is> > > science then you or any one must be aware as to how astrological> > > principles were formulated, what is Rahu Ketu, what is the affect > of> > > planet and so on (refer "astrology a science or myth" in file > section> > > for offering your comments. Only a firm belief without scientific> > > support can not be regarded as science.> > >> > >> > > Actually prediction may be broadly classified in the following> > > categories.> > >> > > 1. Postmortem prediction – Any past event or present situation is> > > concluded by any principle like aspect, dasha, saptmansha, navansh> > > etc., transit position of planets, by changing time of birth> > …………….> > > and so on. Thus individual is always in the impression that his> > > past/present is covered by astrology hence astrology is correct.> > >> > > 2 . Psychological prediction – Narration of situation is predicted> > in> > > a way, which appears correct due to psychological affect on mind.> > > Like "you are presently passing through some problem". It is > evident> > > that when a person is visiting an astrologer then definitely he > must> > > be in trouble. But by saying so, astrologer touch the weakness of> > > individual and any person will start to narrate his problem like a> > > parrot. In between dialogue of the astrologer implant a > psychological> > > affect, which appears correct.> > >> > > 3 Remedial prediction – Astrologer try to convince an individual> > > that there is some problem in achieving success or in solution of > any> > > problem but it can only be avoided by wearing some gem, offering> > > etc., vastu, fengsui etc. (in which astrologer is directly > involved> > > thorough commission or so), or guide to do some offering > privately,> > > prey to his god (in which astrologer is not directly involved but > he> > > gain confidence of the client), which in turn may bring other > client> > > for extracting money. Thus if client succeed then he will > permanently> > > fall in the lap of astrologer and in case of failure astrologer > will> > > convince him that he has already warned for some problem and > remedy> > > was little affective due to higher side of negative affect of > planets.> > >> > > 4. Situational prediction – Some party, team etc. may win, heavy> > > rain, summer, winter etc., this has nothing to do with astrology > but> > > very affective in winning the confidence of local residents. Some> > > time they take help of proverb but individual is not able to > realize> > > that any planetary position socalled responsible for rain, summer> > > etc. is applicable to entire Earth. Thus rain may be on entire > Earth> > > and so on.> > >> > > 5 Fluke prediction – Like at the age of 1 or 2, any prediction> > that> > > individual may be doctor etc., Such prediction is affective to > lure> > > the parents and astrologer may get benefit. If in fluke he become> > > doctor then astrologer will get publicity.> > >> > > 6 Fixed predictions – This is the actual prediction based on some> > > principle. This is actually the signboard of astrologer but they > can> > > never predict any event except narrating some past stories to get> > > confidence of individual.> > >> > > Thus astrologer can never predict as> > > 1 any horoscope belongs to Male or Female, because sex has very > vital> > > role in the life of some one (through out the world and in all> > > religion), and it affect whole sequence of event.> > > 2 When he will be married or just have sexual relationship. Do > planet> > > knows that it is marriage and it is sexual relationship without> > > marriage?> > > 3 How many marriages. Because in India we have mostly only one> > > marriage and one partner for sexual relationship, where as Muslim> > > countries have mostly more then one marriages at a time and > western> > > countries may mostly have more then one marriage (one by one) at a> > > time but mostly have many partner for sexual relationship. So how > any> > > planet who is responsible for marriage know and affect as to who > may> > > have to lead with one wife, who may with more wives and who may > have> > > one by one many wives.> > > 4 How many childrens (male or female) and when. How planet> > > differentiate that a tribal man or osama may have more children > then> > > most of the persons of the world.> > > 5 About his Education, profession, Finance and ofcourse about his> > > death.> > >> > > Will you please intimate at least One or more principle which in > your> > > opinion is correct. But remember result must be absolute and not> > > vague or with psychological mixing. I mean to say that you may> > > intimate any principle by which you can predict above points.> > >> > > Do have any definite principle or you have a set of principles > like> > > 1- So and so time is not good or good. Now such predictions are > not> > > predictions at all. Because how a time may be bad, when your body > is> > > intact, your house is intact, your family is intact, your > education> > > is intact. But such sentence can only lead any person to magnify > his> > > problem and may confirm that his time is bad.> > > 2- You are not getting according to your knowledge. Now every > person> > > is not satisfied with, what he has. So he may just confirm. This > is> > > only psychology.> > > Thus all I repeat all predictions are psychological or if not then> > > they are randomly correct, which has noting to do with science or> > > ved, and when a result of some principle is not repeated then how > you> > > can say that it is prediction and it is science.> > >> > > We are discussing predictive astrology and not ayurvedic > treatment.> > > If ayurvedic treatment is right that what it has to do with the> > > principle of predictive astrology. Even Arya samaj who is main> > > supporter of Ved, admit that ved has nothing to do with predictive> > > astrology.> > >> > > Regarding >>>>) u ppl come in packs or fake ids and attacks and> > > humiliates<<<<<<and >>>>>> after i read u for for months<<<<<<< I> > > must clear that neither I have fake ID nor I am writing in other> > > forum except invitation to my forum. Thus I am even not reading > as to> > > which msg is being passed on to other forums, so forget for > replying.> > > I have even no time to write individual msgs and thus to cut > short I> > > use PS and cover minor points for other members. Hence there is no> > > need or use for such fake ID. There is no question of humiliation > as> > > I am putting very simple question derived from individual replies > and> > > I often suggest members to take help of other astrologer in other> > > forum or personal friends. I encourage them to interact and > suggest> > > them to invite their friends. So where is the question of> > > humiliation? Refer various SOA………. Files in file section. Where> > you> > > will find some interaction, so where is humiliation? I am not> > > exposing in their forum so their business may not be harmed. Thus> > > your contention is totally biased and unfounded.> > >> > > >>>>> ur ids like jyothishi2001>>>>, what a fun. It is not my ID.> > > Except a welcome note of 20-7-8, I have not interacted with him. I> > > even do not know his name etc.> > >> > > >>>>> problem ,but dont invite some poor ppl who r trying to help > in> > > grps and u r systematicaly abusing them with a set of questions > as u> > > r well planned and they r not .Many of them learned it even self > only> > > prediction part and using as hobby without charging one rs>>>>>>> > I> > > am only inviting those individuals who are either interested in> > > astrology (may be learner or hobby etc.) or who are advising> > > individuals (either free or for promoting their business, I am not> > > concerned). And so long he is silently reading the msg., how can I> > > ask him. There are more then +100 silent members. But when he says> > > that it is vedic or science or his prediction is 100% correct > then I> > > am asking about the principles and systematic questions. So where > is> > > the humiliation? I have also asked from you. It is not > humiliation;> > > it is exchange of views. If he is learner and have some wrong idea> > > about the predictive astrology then he must know the truth from > his> > > own logic. You must know that counter question is neither abusing > nor> > > humiliation. Moreover I am not concerned with an individual as to > who> > > is he, I am only concerned with principles of predictive > astrology.> > > That's I have also interacted with the members who have not > disclosed> > > their name etc. Because my mission is only to find the truth and > to> > > intimate the truth. Thus I always used to write at the end of the> > > msg. that discussion is not personal but academic. And for the> > > convenience compiled some interaction in various SOA……. Files, so> > he> > > may pick any point of his choice.> > >> > > I hope this will clear the mind of many silent members too.> > >> > > I am not interested in banning any member like other forums. But> > > definitely I will like to maintain decorum. I hope you will > maintain> > > the decorum and take part in discussion with your stand, instead > of> > > writing msg. without any substance for discussion. So far writing > of> > > Sh AK Kaul is concerned, I can say that he always maintain and > like> > > good language. He is very senior, learned, logical and active. > Thus I> > > will like to emphasize that inability of a member, to answer is > not> > > humiliation but it is a gateway for him to think a fresh, with > open> > > mind and ask such points in other forum / astrologers so that he > may> > > be mentally strong in either way and come forward with some > logical,> > > scientific reply. I have asked a very simple question as to what > is> > > Rahu Ketu and so on from some reputed astrologers. They are not> > > replying and quitting the forum or are silent. Is it humiliation? > We> > > are just learning and teaching simultaneously. I hope you will> > > continue.> > >> > > Thanks> > >> > > Yours truly,> > > Sanat> > >> > >> > > PS:> > > 1 Welcome to new members. They can take up any point for > discussion.> > >> > > 2 Member with jyotishi2001@ ID, who joined the forum on 16-7-> > > 8 may please come forward with his introduction. I do not know as > to> > > why he is concealing his identity. He must have courage to support> > > his stand, and rest assure except filthy language every argument > on> > > either side is permitted in this forum.> > >> > > 3 Some members are not replying on pending points. I hope by now> > > they have gathered the information in support of his stand.> > >> > >> > >> > > , "lion_draco1983"> > > lion_draco1983@ wrote:> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > Mr .sanat> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > thanks for ur response and warning> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > I dont understand still what u mean by scientific as u not ready> > > to> > > > see any results on actual basis .now let me repeat .> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > i posted a chart 4 days back ( and till today u or sri AKK or> > > none of> > > > ur cronies never bothered to reply me ) and i will pick more > charts> > > frm> > > > vedic astro grps ( as i hav memebrship in all prime grps and i > will> > > > quote even messge numbers and date for ur convenience ) which is> > > posted> > > > by diffrnt ppl who came for predictions .so u can see all those> > > charts> > > > and tell me were it is not working since u said u r 35 yrs in> > > astrology> > > > and as u find it is not working and AKK ji was in astro since> > > > generations and he also find it is not working and that is the> > > reasons u> > > > go to veda s and other literature and find that this is mass> > > cheating> > > > system .so proove me that first ( and u can check the where > abts abt> > > > queriests urself and satisfied then only u need to step into > it .)> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > after considering various chart for a yr or let us fix a > time ,see> > > the> > > > probablity and correctness ( even i will participate -simple 18> > > months> > > > exprnced man than ur tall claims ,may b into predictiv part of> > > astro as> > > > i find it is very well working in our treatments ,as i am an> > > ayurvedic> > > > by profession ) ,> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > kerala ayurvedic by generations and our ancesters suffered > similar> > > > queries ( insults ) to proov scientificaly . how oil applied > over> > > the> > > > body is working for inside the body ??how it can cure > epilepsy ??> > > how it> > > > can cure mental problems ,does any one is fool to think this > herb we> > > > find in street which cost u nothing ( those days ) can cure ,it > is> > > > humbug to devil worship etc etc ,and using coconut oil ( we r > giving> > > > upto 200ml of ghee daily in some treatments and after full > cource is> > > > finished no cholostrol u can find by modern methods -i mean un > usual> > > > --so what u proove ghee has fat or not ???) in medicine can > kill u> > > as it> > > > has highest cholestol -those days medias and these kind of ppl (> > > now u r> > > > doing for diffrnt indian science ) and we dont hav any voice > those> > > as we> > > > dont own any print media which was very power ful those days .)> That> > > was> > > > another story and now all upside down with god grace .> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > I find u ppl hav diffrnt aim and it is viscible as u r not > ready to> > > > accept those challenge and want to divert the dicsussion to> > > unlimited> > > > vedas and proofs and it can only done by some one with no real > job> > > > ,where as i asked u systematicaly .let us first proov it it is> > > humbug as> > > > u claimed ,then we can conduct massive prediction s even in > maidans> > > > after ur ppl organised it and invite ppl frm all over one > selected> > > city> > > > too.i will sent u good astrologers .Then once it is prooven > then it> > > > becomes my head ache to giv the proof in vedas after i test all > ur> > > > knowledge and worthiness.Beacuse real vedic scholars r coming to> > > u .not> > > > me .so ask them .they r not trivedies or chaturvedies just by > name> > > in> > > > actual also they r vedies .> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > if u want to ban me u ,i welcome it and that is always a > conveneint> > > > measure too .But i promise u if u provoke me i will defently> > > provoke u> > > > too ,yes offcource u can ban me and avoid me> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > but tel me why u ppl systematicaly invited astrologers and when> > > ever> > > > they r trying to discuss some thing ( even most of them r non> > > > professional too and hobbyists ) u ppl come in packs or fake ids> > > and> > > > attacks and humiliates> > > >> > > > after i read u for for months and then only i took this stand .> (of> > > > cource not in this grp ),so after seeing ur last mail on VA grp > i> > > > decided to join u .No need to scract ur head how i came here> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > so welcome let us proov its humbug ( wheter correct prediction > on> > > wrong> > > > data as AKK JI used to say ) as ur idea of science always says> > > > discard real proofs .> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > the idol of muruga in palani temple (kartik ) is made of 9 kind > of> > > > chemicals and it is known as nava pashana ( 9 poison idol )> > > moorthy too> > > > ,and for generation many used the panchamrit after doing > abhishekam> > > and> > > > cured lot of diseases ,now the idol strted wear and tear and we> > > lost the> > > > technic of making such idol with this methods ( it is in sidha> > > medicine> > > > which is created by rishi agastrya and his 18 disciple' s-who > was> > > father> > > > of astrology in south and gaurdian rishi of south ) Now u and > AKK> > > will> > > > call him also charlatan and who fall for maya the mlecha ,were > as> > > his> > > > periods are much much b4 them ,so after hearing all this .And u> > > expect> > > > ppl like me shud use good language and show decency to > u .without u> > > ppl> > > > not prooving anything .It is not my duty to search and inform or> > > teach u> > > > ppl ,u search and proove me so thing will b easy for u as u got> > > enough> > > > funds and me i need only 5 minits to answer u ( good idea > right ??)> > > as u> > > > r here to proove vedic astrology is humbug .so r u ready ??> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > do u think AKK is only vedic scholar or did he reserch only for> > > > astrology in vedas ?? i even said i am ready to discuss it but> > > after u> > > > find astro is working or not working according vedic methods> > > then we> > > > can discuss ur those 2 mails daily appearing and i am seeing in> > > various> > > > grps .> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > u said u r inviting astrologers -but u r inviting in diffrnt > way -> > > did u> > > > ever said u r mail that it is for this kind of discussion ,so > first> > > u> > > > shown u dont need any respect and then preaching to me of my> > > language> > > > .did all ur ids like jyothishi2001( WHY U USE THIS KIND OF ID > IF U> > > > FIND ASTRO IS NOT WORKING AND WANT TO PROOV IT IS WRONG ) etc> > > what it> > > > means ,if u find astrology not working u can say ,or even > conduct> > > > harthal or dharna ,i hav no problem ,but dont invite some poor > ppl> > > who> > > > r trying to help in grps and u r systematicaly abusing them > with a> > > set> > > > of questions as u r well planned and they r not .Many of them> > > learned it> > > > even self only prediction part and using as hobby without > charging> > > one> > > > rs> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > i know Mr krishna for long time he never used astrology for> > > cheating any> > > > one -he got enough money for his rest of life as he was an IT> > > computer> > > > engineer who worked in many forgien countries and when he said > abt> > > some> > > > reserch u ppl abused and provoked him as if even he done reserh > on> > > > drandruf ,is this is decent way of answering ??> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > when sri LY rao ( i know him as old gentle man in Kp grps tho i > hav> > > > memebrships in kp grps i dont try KP till today ) he said abt > his> > > > prashna exprnces which is used for a short duration of a day ,u> > > abused> > > > him ,like --is all ruling planets show this . is this is the > way u> > > call> > > > scienific or decency .is this is the way to discuss in a > civilised> > > way> > > > as u says ??? why dont u test it in reality ??with him than > abusing> > > > which u ppl find is very easy and call urself scientific ???????> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > even when ever i post i am getting reply on some unimportant > lines> > > in> > > > mail .just extract convent part and replies ,because u r idea is> > > > diffrnt .So i openly write it as i hav also right to use my own> > > > inteligence and tell the truth of ur missions .> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > .even if i proove vedas has astrology if it is not useful in > day to> > > day> > > > life then what is the use ,and again u ppl will come for kutarka> > > again> > > > ,so to save time i designed this challenge for u .first i will> > > prove its> > > > application then digging of vedas we can strt .By the time i > will> > > get> > > > enough time as i will b in north india for a yr min as one more> > > centre> > > > is opening> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > now iam typing in between session s and i hav to wash and clean > my> > > hand> > > > as i am using medicated oil in treatment s so to touch> > > computers ,some> > > > oils are too sticky too .i hav to hav time ,so pls avoid this> > > kutarka> > > > line with me as i will feel i am being used as tool for ur > secret> > > > missions ,then i cannot control myself as our business needs > lot of> > > > satwik energy .In other words i am not sitting 24 hrs for u in> > > computer.> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > hope u understand me and pls let us go ahed or ban me as it is> > > > convenient ,the choice is urs .> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > be short,sweet and crisp .giv respect and take respect this > includes> > > > other time u r using in the pretext of searching for scietific > base> > > also> > > > .> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > thanks for time .> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > regrds vijaya raghavan> > > >> > > >> > > > , "sanat2221"> > > > <sanatkumar_jain@> wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Dear Raghvan ji,> > > > > Namaskar,> > > > > First of all sorry for my msg of 2-10-8, which was in > response to> > > > > your first msg. dated 30-9-08 (which was also your date of> > > joining in> > > > > this forum). In my reply I was confused as to who is the > writer,> > > > > because you have neither mentioned your name in the membership> > > menu> > > > > nor in the msg. nor you bothered to introduce your-self. So > it is> > > a> > > > > matter of wrong identity. Thus you can very well eliminate> > > irrelevant> > > > > matter from my msg. of 2-10-8.> > > > >> > > > > I will not offer any reply on your abusive language, because > this> > > > > forum is meant for academic discussion and I will not allow > it to> > > > > turn in to the fight of street dogs. I have no objection for > your> > > > > staying more then a weak >>>>> i will stay in grp for one week> > > > > more.<<<<< but you have to behave properly. I think we have no> > > > > previous discussion on the matter hence I am unable to answer > any> > > > > irrelevant point. Sh AK Kaul ji has correctly replied your > msg.> > > and> > > > > thereafter I have nothing to say.> > > > >> > > > > Be careful in writing, limit your writings to astrological> > > > > principles, behave properly, it is my first and last warning.> > > > > Otherwise, next time I will terminate your membership. I am> > > watching> > > > > your msg. Try to learn, how to write a msg. from the msgs of > Sh.> > > > > Prabhakar ji. Difference of opinion is one thing. I always > welcome> > > > > such difference. Rather I am continuously inviting > astrologers,> > > not> > > > > for supporting me but to have proper interaction on various > points> > > > > related to predictive astrology. But abusive language is > different> > > > > and can never be allowed during serious interactions.> > > > >> > > > > Thanks,> > > > >> > > > > Yours truly,> > > > >> > > > > Sanat> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > , "lion_draco1983"> > > > > lion_draco1983@ wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > dear sanat or who ever u r ( because i dont know ur new> > > christain> > > > > name )> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > u r dancing around ,i posted everything clearly ,it was a > post> > > frm> > > > > vedic> > > > > > astrology grp where u r also a memebr and i said i can see> > > clearly> > > > > the> > > > > > problems in his chart .> > > > > >> > > > > > so dont dance around ,i know u did understand ,u say u r > only> > > > > scientific> > > > > > ,but now i am sure abt ur intention s bharath shud loose > this> > > > > skills and> > > > > > u ppl can get a run over on hindus that is all ,why u negete> > > > > > prathyaksha anubhva ???is it scientific> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > i stick with my challenge to u on my own way as i am > interested> > > > > only in> > > > > > results than simple howling like a dog .> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > so be ready or say u r finsihed .> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > i dont need ur fees by god s grace .i am rich than wat u > think> > > > > after 2> > > > > > generation of humiliation frm u ppl .and our generation is > doing> > > > > good> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > pls re reAD my mails .> > > > > >> > > > > > i dont hav time to argue or even type ,if u ready inform > me ,i> > > will> > > > > stay> > > > > > in grp for one week more.> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > if u r ready u will b cleared of ur ignorence ( self > imposed or> > > > > > finnced by some lobbies )> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > regrds vijaya raghavan> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > , "sanat2221"> > > > > > <sanatkumar_jain@> wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Dear divyesh ji,> > > > > > > Namaskar,> > > > > > > Thanks for your msgs.> > > > > > > Though I do not want to reply your msg. because I am not> > > doing any> > > > > > > prediction. But your both msgs are contradicting where in > your> > > > > first> > > > > > > msg you have highlighted your problems and about spending > lot> > > of> > > > > > > money on astrologers; and in 2nd msg you are saying that> > > >>>>>i am> > > > > > > not the queriest nor looking for any predictions. i was > asking> > > > > akk ji> > > > > > > and sanat ji who says they hav good command over vedic> > > astrology> > > > > and> > > > > > > now says it is not in veda ,uapanishats or puranas and it > is> > > > > > > humbug<<<<<<. So first of all please let me know in which > msg> > > or> > > > > in> > > > > > > which forum I claimed that I have a good command over > Vedic> > > > > astrology> > > > > > > (for doing any prediction except for discussion). You can> > > imagine> > > > > > > that when I am studying astrology since last +35 years and> > > written> > > > > > > two original books than definitely I may be some what well> > > aware,> > > > > but> > > > > > > I have never exploited with any Vaak Patuta (communication> > > skill)> > > > > or> > > > > > > by negative prediction or remedy circus and so on. When I > am> > > > > saying> > > > > > > that it is not in Ved it means something. If you, or your> > > > > astrologer> > > > > > > or friends have some patience (other then their business> > > interest)> > > > > > > then they can discuss it.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > So far your problem is concerned; I will like to say that > you> > > may> > > > > > > continue to loose your money as long as you have money to> > > fill the> > > > > > > stomach of astrologers. No body on Earth can help you so > long> > > you> > > > > > > have no wisdom to analyze a problem. Remember, problem it-> > > self is> > > > > not> > > > > > > problem, it is our inability to find the proper solution.> > > Planets> > > > > > > have nothing to do with your wife or your problem. So > either> > > you> > > > > must> > > > > > > know the bottom side story or you may wander from one> > > astrologer> > > > > to> > > > > > > another. When one astrologer will suggest some remedy > another> > > will> > > > > > > suggest some another remedy. So continue with this remedy> > > circus.> > > > > In> > > > > > > my opinion you are in need of a family counselor. However,> > > you may> > > > > > > continue to take advice, whatever you think may be > beneficial> > > to> > > > > you.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Regarding >>>>> and i can see problems clearly in his > chart> > > other> > > > > > > wise i am fed up with same mails of both of them all astro> > > > > > > forums<<<<<<< I will like to say that where you find my > chart> > > and> > > > > I> > > > > > > have neither asked you for my problem neither in this > forum> > > nor in> > > > > > > any other forum, otherwise like Sh Harish JI, you will > also> > > ask> > > > > for> > > > > > > fee. So far same msg is concerned, what can be done if > every> > > > > member> > > > > > > like to have discussion from the very beginning and> > > conveniently> > > > > > > observe silence just to show his greatness (but they are > more> > > > > > > interested in their business). I can only suggest and > request> > > that> > > > > > > whenever you see my msg. you can simply skip it. OK. > However,> > > I> > > > > find> > > > > > > that you have just joined our forum. So I am unable to> > > understand> > > > > > > your observations.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Hope to read your msg. regularly.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Thanks,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Yours truly,> > > > > > > Sanat> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > , "lion_draco1983"> > > > > > > lion_draco1983@ wrote:> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > dear kaul ji and sanat ji> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > pls dee this chart according to vedic astrology and giv > us> > > ur> > > > > > > comments> > > > > > > > .let us get back to exprnce of a person than excavating > for> > > so> > > > > > > called> > > > > > > > proofs as a culture which has gone tru various turmoil > need> > > not> > > > > hav> > > > > > > all> > > > > > > > supporting documents .> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Now i am a student ( means not regular but arm chair ) > of> > > > > > > astrology .> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > see his moon dasa and see his debilated venus and its> > > aspect on> > > > > dasa> > > > > > > > Lord and his life exprnce> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > here is the post .> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > dear sir/madam> > > > > > > > PLEASE DO NOT GET OFFENDED AS I HAVE POSTED MY PROBLEM > ON> > > HERE> > > > > > > BEFORE, I> > > > > > > > DO NOT> > > > > > > > MEAN ANY KIND OF OFFENCE OR AM I SAYING THAT PEOPLE WHO > HAVE> > > > > > > ADVISED ME> > > > > > > > BEFORE> > > > > > > > ARE WRONG OR NOT GENUINE, SOME OF YOU ARE RIGHT, BUT MY> > > PLIGHT> > > > > IS> > > > > > > STILL> > > > > > > > THERE,> > > > > > > > AND I REPOST OUT OF FRUSTRATION.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > i have contact many dozens of astrologers, in the last > few> > > > > months> > > > > > > > because, my> > > > > > > > life is a still mess, i have lost my job, my marriage > has> > > been a> > > > > > > mess> > > > > > > > and me and> > > > > > > > my wife dont talk and have not slept in the same > bedroom for> > > > > over> > > > > > > 10yrs,> > > > > > > > we are> > > > > > > > only together for sake of kids.,> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > i know abt my mahadasa and antradasa etc, but i still> > > believe> > > > > > > things can> > > > > > > > be done> > > > > > > > here and now.> > > > > > > > all astrologers have told me so many different things, i> > > have> > > > > paid> > > > > > > so> > > > > > > > much> > > > > > > > money,(in total i must of paid at least 3500pounds in > the> > > last> > > > > > > 12months> > > > > > > > in> > > > > > > > poojas, yagnas and chart readings and advice alone). > yet i> > > am no> > > > > > > better> > > > > > > > off in> > > > > > > > any respect,> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Â i have done many prayers to all sorts of planets and> > gods,> > > > i> > > > > > have> > > > > > > > been told to> > > > > > > > spend more money on gemstones which vary from blue> > > sapphire, red> > > > > > > coral,> > > > > > > > pearl,> > > > > > > > emerald, and diamond,, i have been told such things as> > > shani or> > > > > > > rahu, or> > > > > > > > ketu,> > > > > > > > or sun or moon or jupiter or venus is affecting me,> > > > > > > > or to pay to have more poojas and yagnas done, i have > been> > > told> > > > > > > that i> > > > > > > > have been> > > > > > > > cursed, blackmagic, pitru curse, naag(cobra) curse, and > many> > > > > more> > > > > > > other> > > > > > > > things,> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > i have been told that i should pray to my weaker> (malefic)> > > > > planets to> > > > > > > > make them> > > > > > > > stronger, or that i should NOT pray to my weaker> (malefic)> > > > > planets,> > > > > > > as> > > > > > > > praying to> > > > > > > > them will cause more harm as i am making them stronger > to> > > harm> > > > > me> > > > > > > more,> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > or that i should pray to my benefic planets to make them> > > even> > > > > > > stronger,> > > > > > > > or that> > > > > > > > i should NOT pray to them as they are stronger anyway.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > I know there are many systems of looking at charts!!!> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > i just need help, and the astrologer who help me sort my> > > > > problems,> > > > > > > will> > > > > > > > see a> > > > > > > > share of my gains, as i will need guidance all my life.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Also should an astrologer/priest get paid before any> > > results are> > > > > > > > shown??? its> > > > > > > > like paying a doctor before he has given you medicine > which> > > > > works,> > > > > > > its> > > > > > > > like> > > > > > > > paying for machine to be repaired before you know it > can be> > > > > > > repaired, or> > > > > > > > if the> > > > > > > > engineer has repaired it properly at all.(if you know > what i> > > > > mean)> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > name divyesh parekh> > > > > > > > tob 18.28pm> > > > > > > > place mumbai india> > > > > > > > date 17th aug 1965> > > > > > > > been living in the uk since 1967> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > wifes name kamlash parekh> > > > > > > > tob 2200pm> > > > > > > > place birmingham, UK> > > > > > > > date 28 feb 1968> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > i want to truly know how to become wealthy and happy in > my> > > > > > > marriage. I> > > > > > > > do> > > > > > > > believe a good astrologer/priest can tell me how to > achieve> > > all> > > > > > > this,> > > > > > > > even if my> > > > > > > > charts do not show it now, its just knowing the right> > > mantra,> > > > > right> > > > > > > > gemstone,> > > > > > > > right offering etc. thru the power of faith and prayer> > > nothing> > > > > is> > > > > > > > impossible. no> > > > > > > > matter what the charts say. its about having belief and> > > > > commitment.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Â we also live in a materialistic world and even god> > knows> > > > that> > > > > i> > > > > > > > have> > > > > > > > responsibilities to my family etc, so i cant spend > 15hours> > > a day> > > > > > > praying> > > > > > > > or> > > > > > > > spend all my money on poojas, yagnas etc.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > When i was young i knew a priest who could achieve> > > anything,Â> > > > > but> > > > > > > he> > > > > > > > has died> > > > > > > > many years ago,(he never asked for a penny) i saw him > work> > > > > miracles> > > > > > > > myself, my> > > > > > > > parents told me he was favoured by maa kali. and i have> > > always> > > > > said> > > > > > > that> > > > > > > > there> > > > > > > > must be another person like him on this planet,> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > i have been to many holy places like haridwar, > trirupati,> > > and> > > > > > > gayagi,> > > > > > > > and many> > > > > > > > more. but have only empty promises or con men.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > My faith in god will never be questioned. shiva, vishnu,> > > brahma> > > > > and> > > > > > > maa> > > > > > > > shakti,> > > > > > > > and i will always believe in god, i will do my prayers > till> > > i> > > > > die,> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > again apologies sincerely i do not wish to offend, but i> > > seek> > > > > that> > > > > > > one> > > > > > > > true> > > > > > > > person for me,(maybe my future guru)> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > regards> > > > > > > > divyesh> > > > > > > > vedic-> astrology/message/105854> > > > > > > > <vedic-> > > astrology/message/105854>> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > regrds VR> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> >>

[Guest guest]

Dear Raghvan ji,

Namaskar,

I think you have decided to always either sidetrack the issue or not

continuing a point to its logical end.

In my first para of the msg dated 9-10-8 I have clearly mentioned

" Yes, if you have some principle by which you can substantiate the

stomach or economy or child birth etc then come forward with that

principle. " means horoscope with specific principles and specific

prediction (which I have already detailed). But for the sake of God

please remain within the frame of predictive astrology and do not try

to break my head with the Iron pillar of Delhi, which has nothing to

do with predictive astrology.

 

I think you are not reading the msg, which I have bifurcated in

various points for proper linking and discussion. And you, yourself

are not willing to pursue your points, then what I can do. OK as you

please.

 

Regarding

>>>>>>what is the problem if u realy blv astro is non working science

and

totaly baseless in accepting charts ,<<<<<<

I will like to say that I have already answered against your

following narration in previous msg

(((>>>>So now let us do in reality ,and see dictums with charts

posted by individuals .Then i will explain all thing s …….all city

but cannot devlp it in one century .<<<<<<<<

I have asked you some pinpointed principles, which we can apply on

various horoscopes. So come forward with charts and supportive

principles regarding fixed predictions as pointed out in my msg dated

6-10-8.)))

 

So Please come forward with any chart (if you have not seen the

report card of astrologers after a survey conducted by Sh Narlikar ji

then may refer in file section)or any point or advise any silent

astrologer to answer any point to continue the discussion, because

you have already admitted that >>>>>>all other ur questions are

backwas which is already explained in classics<<<<<<<. Hence you can

go ahead with any chart and any principle which is not backwas and

may not be in any classics.

 

Waiting.

 

Yours truly,

 

Sanat

 

 

 

 

 

, " lion_draco1983 "

<lion_draco1983 wrote:

>

>

>

>

> dear sanat

>

>

>

> sure this time also u make me smile by ur twisted logics and i

enjoyed

> it [] as all public is seeing u clay feet [] and futility of

ur

> claims as when ever i bring the point tru various exmples u r

brushing

> aside as it is not predictive astrology where as u dont hav real

courage

> to touch any charts .

>

>

>

> u r cheating ur self ,i strted with a common tread that i will

show

> first efficacy of astrology (offcource u will show me where classics

> failed ) and i will take charts frm only published list ( not

created by

> me ) ,and then we can even do a public gathering ( again ur putting

> advtment and inviting ppl ) and accept their charts .Again i told u

u

> can use ur missionary frnds to see the efficacy for a span of 1 yr

as we

> need to close this challenge also .( here where is confusion )

again we

> r not accepting any money or even gift for all this game ,so where

is

> the cheating as u said ??

>

>

>

> how astrology formed or how sani got its name all such discussion s

we

> can do later as i blv in showing efficacy first ( which u never

> acheived in ur so called +35 yrs into astrology and rest of ur life

into

> missionary activities ,where as simple 18 months in predictiv and

b4 in

> medical astrology ( not modern but old ) ) i know its

efficacy .even in

> ayurveda or other so many indian science we use .

>

>

>

> rest of ur mail u dont deserve an answer as it is designed to

twist

> logics and bring discussion to a sort of long long arguements ,u r

here

> doing arguements for the sake of arguemnt and not doing any

constructiv

> discussion as ur mission is diffrnt .

>

>

>

> what is the problem if u realy blv astro is non working science

and

> totaly baseless in accepting charts ,pls illuminate me

>

>

>

> wish u happy dassera and vijaya dasami .

>

>

>

>

>

> rgeds viajay raghavan .

>

>

>

>

> , " sanat2221 "

> <sanatkumar_jain@> wrote:

> >

> >

> > Dear Raghvan ji,

> > Namaskar,

> > I think you have decided to always sidetrack the issue. This

forum is

> > discussing the predictive astrological principles and not ayurved

or

> > stomach or economy of America or your patient and so on. Yes, if

you

> > have some principle by which you can substantiate the stomach or

> > economy or child birth etc then come forward with that principle.

Try

> > to be specific on questions, otherwise there is no sense in

throwing

> > the irrelevant sentences/para.

> >

> > You and every member must be clear that predictive astrology has

> > nothing to do with Hindu religion. Even if you are bent upon to

link

> > the predictive astrology with religion then I can only feel sorry.

> >

> > Try to continue a point instead of leaving it unattended. So that

any

> > conclusion may be drawn. I always try to follow this.

> >

> > >>>>>u r asking some funny qestions ( still enjoying [] ) But

all

> > this question r ur readymade ones which i read many times b4 and

> > fed up also and very unscientific and realy designed to push down

> > matter under discussion knowing the facts well [] . []<<<<<<<

> > Even you or so-called learner / expert astrologers are not

replying

> > despite repeating various readymade questions. What is the harm if

> > you reply these readymade old questions or admit that you do not

have

> > answer then we can go ahead in some new direction. But point

should

> > be attended.

> >

> > >>>>can u teach me wat is science ……………. so

> > better leav it ( many dies long long b4)<<<<<< We must focus on

> > predictive astrology and do not try to divert the issue.

> >

> > >>>>So now let us do in reality ,and see dictums with charts

posted

> > by individuals .Then i will explain all thing s …….all city but

> > cannot devlp it in one century .<<<<<<<<

> > I have asked you some pinpointed principles, which we can apply on

> > various horoscopes. So come forward with charts and supportive

> > principles regarding fixed predictions as pointed out in my msg

dated

> > 6-10-8.

> >

> > >>>>>>>one exmple in my life ,when ever i visits forign countries

for

> > long…………. may b in 100s who is travelling with me ??as i travel

> for

> > pilgrimage too .<<<<<< So you may come out with any predictive

> > principle. Your visit to foreign countries or pilgrimage has

nothing

> > to do with the correctness of predictive astrology.

> >

> > >>>>>>>>so stop dancing around and asking useless argements

> ………..yrs

> > proov in a mans life [:-$] .<<<<<

> > Is it useless to ask as to what is Rahu Ketu. Is it useless to

ask as

> > to how sign were devised. Is it useless to ask as to how various

> > principles of signlord, aspect, friendship, exalted, dasha etc.

were

> > formulated. And in your opinion it is only useful to misguide a

> > simple innocent person by claiming that astrology is Vedic or

> > astrology is science and exploiting the issue by linking it with

> > religion, whereas Krishna himself said about Karm (Mahabharat was

> > written by Ved Vyas who was son of Parashar. Then he can very well

> > support his father and Krishna may say that take action according

to

> > planetary transit and so on………). Do not argue for the sake of

> > argument.

> >

> > >>>>>>i know astrology is not ayurveda but we r using same

> > priciples……… kind of snake bite ) [O:)] .<<<<<<< When you know

> that

> > Ayruved is not astrology then why are you wasting time and

energy. Be

> > specific on predictive astrology.

> >

> > >>>>>>first of all leav all this propaganda ( we know u r mission

> > clearly ) or accept my challenge why cant u take it if u strongly

blv

> > it ?? [:-?]<<<<<<< Asking a pointed question when out of 180

members

> > almost 177 members may be on your side is not a propaganda. You

> > should know that propaganda is done among like minded members as

is

> > being done in 99 % forums (Sh Kaul Ji what is your opinion? As you

> > are member of many forums), where dissident voice is banned. It is

> > your failure, which you are trying to coverup by using some

> > irrelevant points (or some filthy language). How I can create a

> > propaganda when more then 95% members may not agree with me or

when

> > I am inviting astrologers who may definitely be against me. But I

am

> > discussing with open mind and you are discussing with biased

> > attitude. I am studying astrology since last +35 years and come

out

> > with two original books, on which every astrologer is silent. Why,

> > because it is not propaganda but they are eye opener. You can also

> > read these books in your spare time to know the bare truth.

> >

> > >>>>>>instead of classifying all predictions into diffrnt catagory

> > with some english juggling words .which is written by some one

> > else ?? [;]<<<<<<< It is all my narration. Spare some time and

go

> > through all my msgs. You must know that I have written two books

and

> > working on third book so I can very well express my views. And

after

> > writing two original research based books I have sufficient

backup to

> > question your skill and answer on various points being raised by

> > astrologers to misguide a simple man. If you are interested to

verify

> > my statement then you can go through my book ( " Jyotish Kitna Sahi

> > Kitna Galat " in Hindi or " Astrology a science or myth " in English,

> > whose front picture is signature picture of the forum.).

> >

> > >>>>>>all other ur questions are backwas which is already

explained

> > in classics ………… afrikan and indian is diffrnt in health and

> immunity

> > and many other characteristics [;] .<<<<<<<< If my questions are

> > backwas then why they have been explained in classics, Or you are

> > saying that classics have answer on backwaas. If it (backwas) is

> > already contained in classics then why you are not coming forward

> > with answers instead of throwing your arguments here and there. I

> > will like to suggest that you can take help of other forums and

may

> > ask your friends and learned / learner astrologers in this forum.

I

> > have no objection or you may take any point from my old

> > blog " Astrology a science or myth " or from various SOA…………

> files or

> > msgs, which are pending because astrologers are not able to even

> > support their stand or you may come forward on any point (but only

> > astrology).

> >

> > >>>u know it very well but ur mission is diffrnt ,i remebr one

lady in

> > kerala died yesterday……….. 100 times more than this foreign debt

> > <<<<< It would have been more fruitful if any astrologer out of

lakhs

> > astrologer may have been warned about such incident instead of

> > beating the bush.

> >

> > >>>>>>[(] , HA HA ,any way thanks for a nice evening<<<< Hope to

> > have many more nice evening.

> >

> > >>>>>now u can strt accepting charts<<<<<<< You can go ahead in

any

> > direction because you may have no answer on my pointed issues.

> > Otherwise continue our points to have some conclusion instead of

> > diverting the issue. Even after some hot exchages we have not yet

> > started any discussion on any astrological point. It shows your

> > attitude towards a sincere discussion. When you are not prepared

to

> > think a fresh with open mind even after experiment of Sh Narlikar

Ji

> > then it is rather difficult to convince you on your off-shot

comments.

> >

> > Remember that outcome of discussion is not going to terminate our

> > existence or business. So be cool, logical, remain within

framework.

> > When I am prepared to think a fresh on any point if raised by any

> > member (who are almost against my views) then why are you not

> > prepared to have open mind when everybody is on your side and come

> > forward with straight answer. And why are you loosing your temper,

> > which is evident from your msgs. Remember it is academic

discussion

> > and not the fight for bread and butter.

> >

> > Thanks

> >

> > Yours truly,

> > Sanat

> >

> > Members :

> >

> > Welcome to all new members. You may please take active part in

open

> > discussion.

> >

> > 1 Silent members may please come forward and share your views on

> > either side. Membership of any member will not be terminated; so

long

> > you are using a good language irrespective of your stand.

> >

> > 2 Ms. Dipika Ji, you are not regular like Sh. AK Kaul ji. I hope

you

> > may be OK.

> >

> > 3 Sh. Prabhakar Ji, Nathani Ji may please come forward with your

> > answers. I hope by now you may have searched the answers in

> > Lalkitab / astrological book. Sh Nirmal Kumar Bhardwaj ji (or any

> > other member), if you want then you can also pick up the point of

Sh

> > Prabhakar ji.

> >

> > 4 Sh. Ghopal Ji, we are waiting for your msg / views since long.

> >

> > 5 Sh. Deshmukh ji, please write your msg as soon as you feel

healthy.

> > Ask you son-in-law to meet me during his next visit to Gwalior. My

> > ph. 0751-2626868 and residing in Dal Bazar.

> >

> > 6 Member with jyotishi2001@ ID, who joined the forum on 16-7-

> > 8 may please come forward with your introduction. I do not know

as to

> > why you are concealing your identity. You must have courage to

> > support your stand, and rest assure except filthy language every

> > argument on either side is permitted in this forum. Remember, our

> > failure to answer a question is the gateway for touching the

truth.

> > So do not afraid from any failure.

> >

> > 7 If any member has any question / answer/ views etc., on which

you

> > have some hesitation then you can directly write on my email

> > sanatkumar_jain@

> >

> > 8 I am answering every msg serially having some question for me

> > (within 2-3 days). If any member thinks that I have not answered

his

> > msg. then he can very well remind me.

> >

> > 9 Continue to invite your friends of other forums for having a

> > vibrant discussion. Remember this is the only forum where you can

> > analyze astrological principles without suppressing your views.

> >

> > 10 If members may have some useful astrological e-books, article,

> > blog, views, news etc. then you may please upload them in file

> > section for the benefit of members.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > , " lion_draco1983 "

> > lion_draco1983@ wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > dear sanat ji .

> > >

> > > Namasakar to u too .

> > >

> > > Thanks for ur mail

> > >

> > > but i had lot of fun at ur expense i am asking u to proov in

> > reality and

> > > u r asking some funny qestions ( still enjoying [] )

> > >

> > > But all this question r ur readymade ones which i read many

times

> > b4 and

> > > fed up also and very unscientific and realy designed to push

down

> > > matter under discussion knowing the facts well [] . []

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > can u teach me wat is science or is it some thing fixed

one ,does

> > all

> > > this neo science hold in that yardstick

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > then why cant they proov delhi iron pillar is humb bug or real

or

> > super

> > > ??after all this yrs ??

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > If so phycology /history /economics /.maangement studies /all

> > other

> > > ----- subjucts why some one shud study and practise [>] .

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > even ur science says 2 diffrnt thing at same breath []

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > some times says fat food givs heart attack and giving low fat

food

> > and

> > > says again givs heart attacks [)] ( one example and i dont

want

> > to

> > > spoil my time )

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > says exercise givs good life span ,can u show one olympian lived

> > more

> > > than 80 yrs ( may b one or 2 but i am asking u in general ) so

all

> > > sciences except mathematics will not hold water with ur

theory ,so

> > > better leav it ( many dies long long b4 )

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > So now let us do in reality ,and see dictums with charts posted

by

> > > individuals .Then i will explain all thing s with u other wise u

> > dont

> > > deserv it man ,same question i can ask to any one ,even to a

> > doctor ,he

> > > will say couple has no problem to conceiv and why not happening

> > last 15

> > > yrs he dont know .what will u say?? Modern medical science is

> > humbug or

> > > needs more time to devlp ?? or we shud trow baby with bucket and

> > water

> > > ???

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > i will never say it is 100 % working because of various reason

like

> > u r

> > > favrite science tho u r very unscientific and dogamtic and with

a

> > evil

> > > mission in mind ( also foreign funded as ur adamnce shows as u

need

> > to

> > > proove to ur bosses ) and says and repeats same ready made

> > answers .So

> > > u embrace science as ur saviour as it is easy for u .like a

> > mtchstick

> > > can destroy all city but cannot devlp it in one century .

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > one exmple in my life ,when ever i visits forign countries for

long

> > > duration and come back i get water problem ,i drink water frm

india

> > my

> > > stomach will b upset for 1 week ( there and here too i drink

> > mineral

> > > water only esp after visit for 3 weeks ) .then again while

> > travelling

> > > in india tho i am using mineral water ( long distance ) ,if i

change

> > > brand i will get stomach upset .how u explain by scince ,u can

> > explain

> > > as it is easy ,but why it is not happening to my wife ?? or

> > frnds ?? or

> > > others may b in 100s who is travelling with me ??as i travel for

> > > pilgrimage too .

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > so stop dancing around and asking useless argements ,it is

easy ,i

> > wont

> > > bite ur bait as u wanted to go on asking unnceesarry questions

on a

> > life

> > > science and diverting real essence of it ,but intention is

diffrnt

> > and

> > > also i hav to use my quality time diffrnt way ,u see whn i

asked u

> > > ayurvedic based question u run awy as u dont want to enter there

> > > .because u know u will fail defenitly as it is also working

science

> > and

> > > we can prove it in a months time in frnt of u even using

> > astrological

> > > theories ( i will tell u in adavnce what will happen on which

> > nakshtra

> > > days what will happen on eachnakshtra days based on same maya

the

> > > mlecha suryaisidhanta based stars which destroyed kashmere )

where

> > as

> > > astro needs so many yrs proov in a mans life [:-$] .

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > i know astrology is not ayurveda but we r using same priciples

but

> > not

> > > dasa or charts .even i find in old generation tru prashna they

say

> > which

> > > serpent or snake bite the patient ,now antivenoms is applicable

(

> > and

> > > stopped using that technics ) and those days needs diffrnt

> > treatment for

> > > each kind of snake bite So good physicians prepare medicine

well in

> > > advance means the moment party strted to meet the physician he

will

> > b

> > > ready here with all facility (means asks his servants to make

> > > preparations and medicns and will say such a patient will come

with

> > this

> > > kind of snake bite ) [O:)] .

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > first of all leav all this propaganda ( we know u r mission

> > clearly ) or

> > > accept my challenge why cant u take it if u strongly blv it ??

[:-?]

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > instead of classifying all predictions into diffrnt catagory

with

> > some

> > > english juggling words .which is written by some one else ??

[;]

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > even i said later we can use mass prediction s in some maidan to

> > ppl

> > > invited by a new paper advtment ,u and ur missionaries can

follow

> > it up

> > > and we will keep the copy that is all .( only predictions with

one

> > yr

> > > long ranging effect as it is easy )

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > all other ur questions are backwas which is already explained in

> > > classics to use kala desa ,patra ,kula ,gotra and paristithy as

it

> > is

> > > used as helping science than a fatal science .even modern

science

> > also

> > > uses this as an afrikan and indian is diffrnt in health and

> > immunity

> > > and many other characteristics [;] .

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > u know it very well but ur mission is diffrnt ,i remebr one

lady in

> > > kerala died yestrday after 36 yrs in coma after emplyed some

> > sedativs (

> > > how u justify it if science working linearly why it affect her

than

> > > helping her )

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > if so why america failed economicaly with 56 trillion dolars

> > foreign

> > > debt and trying cover it ( i dont think astrologers and maya the

> > mlecha

> > > influenced them ) and going to fail in big way why any of ur neo

> > > science helped them than do another war and grab others money

and

> > > natural resources ( u r also trying to do it as u r inflenced by

> > such

> > > forces but another way ) even according ur style of arguement if

> > richest

> > > country in world has this much debts then poor countries has 20

or

> > 100

> > > times more than this foreign debt [(] , HA HA ,any way

> > thanks for

> > > a nice evening

> > >

> > > now u can strt accepting charts

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > regrds vijaya raghavan

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > , " sanat2221 "

> > > <sanatkumar_jain@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Dear Raghvan ji,

> > > > Namaskar,

> > > > <<<<<<I dont understand still what u mean by scientific>>>>>,

it

> > > > means that if you are of the opinion that predictive

astrology is

> > > > science (science means, which can be proved, which can be

repeated

> > > > and there may not be any ambiguity). Thus if pred. astrology

is

> > > > science then you or any one must be aware as to how

astrological

> > > > principles were formulated, what is Rahu Ketu, what is the

affect

> > of

> > > > planet and so on (refer " astrology a science or myth " in file

> > section

> > > > for offering your comments. Only a firm belief without

scientific

> > > > support can not be regarded as science.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Actually prediction may be broadly classified in the following

> > > > categories.

> > > >

> > > > 1. Postmortem prediction – Any past event or present situation

> is

> > > > concluded by any principle like aspect, dasha, saptmansha,

navansh

> > > > etc., transit position of planets, by changing time of birth

> > > …………….

> > > > and so on. Thus individual is always in the impression that

his

> > > > past/present is covered by astrology hence astrology is

correct.

> > > >

> > > > 2 . Psychological prediction – Narration of situation is

> predicted

> > > in

> > > > a way, which appears correct due to psychological affect on

mind.

> > > > Like " you are presently passing through some problem " . It is

> > evident

> > > > that when a person is visiting an astrologer then definitely

he

> > must

> > > > be in trouble. But by saying so, astrologer touch the

weakness of

> > > > individual and any person will start to narrate his problem

like a

> > > > parrot. In between dialogue of the astrologer implant a

> > psychological

> > > > affect, which appears correct.

> > > >

> > > > 3 Remedial prediction – Astrologer try to convince an

> individual

> > > > that there is some problem in achieving success or in

solution of

> > any

> > > > problem but it can only be avoided by wearing some gem,

offering

> > > > etc., vastu, fengsui etc. (in which astrologer is directly

> > involved

> > > > thorough commission or so), or guide to do some offering

> > privately,

> > > > prey to his god (in which astrologer is not directly involved

but

> > he

> > > > gain confidence of the client), which in turn may bring other

> > client

> > > > for extracting money. Thus if client succeed then he will

> > permanently

> > > > fall in the lap of astrologer and in case of failure

astrologer

> > will

> > > > convince him that he has already warned for some problem and

> > remedy

> > > > was little affective due to higher side of negative affect of

> > planets.

> > > >

> > > > 4. Situational prediction – Some party, team etc. may win,

> heavy

> > > > rain, summer, winter etc., this has nothing to do with

astrology

> > but

> > > > very affective in winning the confidence of local residents.

Some

> > > > time they take help of proverb but individual is not able to

> > realize

> > > > that any planetary position socalled responsible for rain,

summer

> > > > etc. is applicable to entire Earth. Thus rain may be on entire

> > Earth

> > > > and so on.

> > > >

> > > > 5 Fluke prediction – Like at the age of 1 or 2, any prediction

> > > that

> > > > individual may be doctor etc., Such prediction is affective to

> > lure

> > > > the parents and astrologer may get benefit. If in fluke he

become

> > > > doctor then astrologer will get publicity.

> > > >

> > > > 6 Fixed predictions – This is the actual prediction based on

> some

> > > > principle. This is actually the signboard of astrologer but

they

> > can

> > > > never predict any event except narrating some past stories to

get

> > > > confidence of individual.

> > > >

> > > > Thus astrologer can never predict as

> > > > 1 any horoscope belongs to Male or Female, because sex has

very

> > vital

> > > > role in the life of some one (through out the world and in all

> > > > religion), and it affect whole sequence of event.

> > > > 2 When he will be married or just have sexual relationship. Do

> > planet

> > > > knows that it is marriage and it is sexual relationship

without

> > > > marriage?

> > > > 3 How many marriages. Because in India we have mostly only one

> > > > marriage and one partner for sexual relationship, where as

Muslim

> > > > countries have mostly more then one marriages at a time and

> > western

> > > > countries may mostly have more then one marriage (one by one)

at a

> > > > time but mostly have many partner for sexual relationship. So

how

> > any

> > > > planet who is responsible for marriage know and affect as to

who

> > may

> > > > have to lead with one wife, who may with more wives and who

may

> > have

> > > > one by one many wives.

> > > > 4 How many childrens (male or female) and when. How planet

> > > > differentiate that a tribal man or osama may have more

children

> > then

> > > > most of the persons of the world.

> > > > 5 About his Education, profession, Finance and ofcourse about

his

> > > > death.

> > > >

> > > > Will you please intimate at least One or more principle which

in

> > your

> > > > opinion is correct. But remember result must be absolute and

not

> > > > vague or with psychological mixing. I mean to say that you may

> > > > intimate any principle by which you can predict above points.

> > > >

> > > > Do have any definite principle or you have a set of principles

> > like

> > > > 1- So and so time is not good or good. Now such predictions

are

> > not

> > > > predictions at all. Because how a time may be bad, when your

body

> > is

> > > > intact, your house is intact, your family is intact, your

> > education

> > > > is intact. But such sentence can only lead any person to

magnify

> > his

> > > > problem and may confirm that his time is bad.

> > > > 2- You are not getting according to your knowledge. Now every

> > person

> > > > is not satisfied with, what he has. So he may just confirm.

This

> > is

> > > > only psychology.

> > > > Thus all I repeat all predictions are psychological or if not

then

> > > > they are randomly correct, which has noting to do with

science or

> > > > ved, and when a result of some principle is not repeated then

how

> > you

> > > > can say that it is prediction and it is science.

> > > >

> > > > We are discussing predictive astrology and not ayurvedic

> > treatment.

> > > > If ayurvedic treatment is right that what it has to do with

the

> > > > principle of predictive astrology. Even Arya samaj who is main

> > > > supporter of Ved, admit that ved has nothing to do with

predictive

> > > > astrology.

> > > >

> > > > Regarding >>>>) u ppl come in packs or fake ids and attacks

and

> > > > humiliates<<<<<<and >>>>>> after i read u for for

months<<<<<<< I

> > > > must clear that neither I have fake ID nor I am writing in

other

> > > > forum except invitation to my forum. Thus I am even not

reading

> > as to

> > > > which msg is being passed on to other forums, so forget for

> > replying.

> > > > I have even no time to write individual msgs and thus to cut

> > short I

> > > > use PS and cover minor points for other members. Hence there

is no

> > > > need or use for such fake ID. There is no question of

humiliation

> > as

> > > > I am putting very simple question derived from individual

replies

> > and

> > > > I often suggest members to take help of other astrologer in

other

> > > > forum or personal friends. I encourage them to interact and

> > suggest

> > > > them to invite their friends. So where is the question of

> > > > humiliation? Refer various SOA………. Files in file section.

> Where

> > > you

> > > > will find some interaction, so where is humiliation? I am not

> > > > exposing in their forum so their business may not be harmed.

Thus

> > > > your contention is totally biased and unfounded.

> > > >

> > > > >>>>> ur ids like jyothishi2001>>>>, what a fun. It is not my

ID.

> > > > Except a welcome note of 20-7-8, I have not interacted with

him. I

> > > > even do not know his name etc.

> > > >

> > > > >>>>> problem ,but dont invite some poor ppl who r trying to

help

> > in

> > > > grps and u r systematicaly abusing them with a set of

questions

> > as u

> > > > r well planned and they r not .Many of them learned it even

self

> > only

> > > > prediction part and using as hobby without charging one

rs>>>>>>>

> > I

> > > > am only inviting those individuals who are either interested

in

> > > > astrology (may be learner or hobby etc.) or who are advising

> > > > individuals (either free or for promoting their business, I

am not

> > > > concerned). And so long he is silently reading the msg., how

can I

> > > > ask him. There are more then +100 silent members. But when he

says

> > > > that it is vedic or science or his prediction is 100% correct

> > then I

> > > > am asking about the principles and systematic questions. So

where

> > is

> > > > the humiliation? I have also asked from you. It is not

> > humiliation;

> > > > it is exchange of views. If he is learner and have some wrong

idea

> > > > about the predictive astrology then he must know the truth

from

> > his

> > > > own logic. You must know that counter question is neither

abusing

> > nor

> > > > humiliation. Moreover I am not concerned with an individual

as to

> > who

> > > > is he, I am only concerned with principles of predictive

> > astrology.

> > > > That's I have also interacted with the members who have not

> > disclosed

> > > > their name etc. Because my mission is only to find the truth

and

> > to

> > > > intimate the truth. Thus I always used to write at the end of

the

> > > > msg. that discussion is not personal but academic. And for the

> > > > convenience compiled some interaction in various SOA…….

> Files, so

> > > he

> > > > may pick any point of his choice.

> > > >

> > > > I hope this will clear the mind of many silent members too.

> > > >

> > > > I am not interested in banning any member like other forums.

But

> > > > definitely I will like to maintain decorum. I hope you will

> > maintain

> > > > the decorum and take part in discussion with your stand,

instead

> > of

> > > > writing msg. without any substance for discussion. So far

writing

> > of

> > > > Sh AK Kaul is concerned, I can say that he always maintain and

> > like

> > > > good language. He is very senior, learned, logical and active.

> > Thus I

> > > > will like to emphasize that inability of a member, to answer

is

> > not

> > > > humiliation but it is a gateway for him to think a fresh, with

> > open

> > > > mind and ask such points in other forum / astrologers so that

he

> > may

> > > > be mentally strong in either way and come forward with some

> > logical,

> > > > scientific reply. I have asked a very simple question as to

what

> > is

> > > > Rahu Ketu and so on from some reputed astrologers. They are

not

> > > > replying and quitting the forum or are silent. Is it

humiliation?

> > We

> > > > are just learning and teaching simultaneously. I hope you will

> > > > continue.

> > > >

> > > > Thanks

> > > >

> > > > Yours truly,

> > > > Sanat

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > PS:

> > > > 1 Welcome to new members. They can take up any point for

> > discussion.

> > > >

> > > > 2 Member with jyotishi2001@ ID, who joined the forum on 16-7-

> > > > 8 may please come forward with his introduction. I do not

know as

> > to

> > > > why he is concealing his identity. He must have courage to

support

> > > > his stand, and rest assure except filthy language every

argument

> > on

> > > > either side is permitted in this forum.

> > > >

> > > > 3 Some members are not replying on pending points. I hope by

now

> > > > they have gathered the information in support of his stand.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > , " lion_draco1983 "

> > > > lion_draco1983@ wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Mr .sanat

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > thanks for ur response and warning

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > I dont understand still what u mean by scientific as u not

ready

> > > > to

> > > > > see any results on actual basis .now let me repeat .

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > i posted a chart 4 days back ( and till today u or sri AKK

or

> > > > none of

> > > > > ur cronies never bothered to reply me ) and i will pick more

> > charts

> > > > frm

> > > > > vedic astro grps ( as i hav memebrship in all prime grps

and i

> > will

> > > > > quote even messge numbers and date for ur convenience )

which is

> > > > posted

> > > > > by diffrnt ppl who came for predictions .so u can see all

those

> > > > charts

> > > > > and tell me were it is not working since u said u r 35 yrs

in

> > > > astrology

> > > > > and as u find it is not working and AKK ji was in astro

since

> > > > > generations and he also find it is not working and that is

the

> > > > reasons u

> > > > > go to veda s and other literature and find that this is mass

> > > > cheating

> > > > > system .so proove me that first ( and u can check the where

> > abts abt

> > > > > queriests urself and satisfied then only u need to step into

> > it .)

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > after considering various chart for a yr or let us fix a

> > time ,see

> > > > the

> > > > > probablity and correctness ( even i will participate -

simple 18

> > > > months

> > > > > exprnced man than ur tall claims ,may b into predictiv part

of

> > > > astro as

> > > > > i find it is very well working in our treatments ,as i am an

> > > > ayurvedic

> > > > > by profession ) ,

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > kerala ayurvedic by generations and our ancesters suffered

> > similar

> > > > > queries ( insults ) to proov scientificaly . how oil applied

> > over

> > > > the

> > > > > body is working for inside the body ??how it can cure

> > epilepsy ??

> > > > how it

> > > > > can cure mental problems ,does any one is fool to think this

> > herb we

> > > > > find in street which cost u nothing ( those days ) can

cure ,it

> > is

> > > > > humbug to devil worship etc etc ,and using coconut oil ( we

r

> > giving

> > > > > upto 200ml of ghee daily in some treatments and after full

> > cource is

> > > > > finished no cholostrol u can find by modern methods -i mean

un

> > usual

> > > > > --so what u proove ghee has fat or not ???) in medicine can

> > kill u

> > > > as it

> > > > > has highest cholestol -those days medias and these kind of

ppl (

> > > > now u r

> > > > > doing for diffrnt indian science ) and we dont hav any voice

> > those

> > > > as we

> > > > > dont own any print media which was very power ful those

days .)

> > That

> > > > was

> > > > > another story and now all upside down with god grace .

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > I find u ppl hav diffrnt aim and it is viscible as u r not

> > ready to

> > > > > accept those challenge and want to divert the dicsussion to

> > > > unlimited

> > > > > vedas and proofs and it can only done by some one with no

real

> > job

> > > > > ,where as i asked u systematicaly .let us first proov it it

is

> > > > humbug as

> > > > > u claimed ,then we can conduct massive prediction s even in

> > maidans

> > > > > after ur ppl organised it and invite ppl frm all over one

> > selected

> > > > city

> > > > > too.i will sent u good astrologers .Then once it is prooven

> > then it

> > > > > becomes my head ache to giv the proof in vedas after i test

all

> > ur

> > > > > knowledge and worthiness.Beacuse real vedic scholars r

coming to

> > > > u .not

> > > > > me .so ask them .they r not trivedies or chaturvedies just

by

> > name

> > > > in

> > > > > actual also they r vedies .

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > if u want to ban me u ,i welcome it and that is always a

> > conveneint

> > > > > measure too .But i promise u if u provoke me i will defently

> > > > provoke u

> > > > > too ,yes offcource u can ban me and avoid me

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > but tel me why u ppl systematicaly invited astrologers and

when

> > > > ever

> > > > > they r trying to discuss some thing ( even most of them r

non

> > > > > professional too and hobbyists ) u ppl come in packs or

fake ids

> > > > and

> > > > > attacks and humiliates

> > > > >

> > > > > after i read u for for months and then only i took this

stand .

> > (of

> > > > > cource not in this grp ),so after seeing ur last mail on VA

grp

> > i

> > > > > decided to join u .No need to scract ur head how i came here

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > so welcome let us proov its humbug ( wheter correct

prediction

> > on

> > > > wrong

> > > > > data as AKK JI used to say ) as ur idea of science always

says

> > > > > discard real proofs .

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > the idol of muruga in palani temple (kartik ) is made of 9

kind

> > of

> > > > > chemicals and it is known as nava pashana ( 9 poison idol )

> > > > moorthy too

> > > > > ,and for generation many used the panchamrit after doing

> > abhishekam

> > > > and

> > > > > cured lot of diseases ,now the idol strted wear and tear

and we

> > > > lost the

> > > > > technic of making such idol with this methods ( it is in

sidha

> > > > medicine

> > > > > which is created by rishi agastrya and his 18 disciple' s-

who

> > was

> > > > father

> > > > > of astrology in south and gaurdian rishi of south ) Now u

and

> > AKK

> > > > will

> > > > > call him also charlatan and who fall for maya the

mlecha ,were

> > as

> > > > his

> > > > > periods are much much b4 them ,so after hearing all

this .And u

> > > > expect

> > > > > ppl like me shud use good language and show decency to

> > u .without u

> > > > ppl

> > > > > not prooving anything .It is not my duty to search and

inform or

> > > > teach u

> > > > > ppl ,u search and proove me so thing will b easy for u as u

got

> > > > enough

> > > > > funds and me i need only 5 minits to answer u ( good idea

> > right ??)

> > > > as u

> > > > > r here to proove vedic astrology is humbug .so r u ready ??

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > do u think AKK is only vedic scholar or did he reserch only

for

> > > > > astrology in vedas ?? i even said i am ready to discuss it

but

> > > > after u

> > > > > find astro is working or not working according vedic methods

> > > > then we

> > > > > can discuss ur those 2 mails daily appearing and i am

seeing in

> > > > various

> > > > > grps .

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > u said u r inviting astrologers -but u r inviting in diffrnt

> > way -

> > > > did u

> > > > > ever said u r mail that it is for this kind of

discussion ,so

> > first

> > > > u

> > > > > shown u dont need any respect and then preaching to me of my

> > > > language

> > > > > .did all ur ids like jyothishi2001( WHY U USE THIS KIND OF

ID

> > IF U

> > > > > FIND ASTRO IS NOT WORKING AND WANT TO PROOV IT IS WRONG )

etc

> > > > what it

> > > > > means ,if u find astrology not working u can say ,or even

> > conduct

> > > > > harthal or dharna ,i hav no problem ,but dont invite some

poor

> > ppl

> > > > who

> > > > > r trying to help in grps and u r systematicaly abusing them

> > with a

> > > > set

> > > > > of questions as u r well planned and they r not .Many of

them

> > > > learned it

> > > > > even self only prediction part and using as hobby without

> > charging

> > > > one

> > > > > rs

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > i know Mr krishna for long time he never used astrology for

> > > > cheating any

> > > > > one -he got enough money for his rest of life as he was an

IT

> > > > computer

> > > > > engineer who worked in many forgien countries and when he

said

> > abt

> > > > some

> > > > > reserch u ppl abused and provoked him as if even he done

reserh

> > on

> > > > > drandruf ,is this is decent way of answering ??

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > when sri LY rao ( i know him as old gentle man in Kp grps

tho i

> > hav

> > > > > memebrships in kp grps i dont try KP till today ) he said

abt

> > his

> > > > > prashna exprnces which is used for a short duration of a

day ,u

> > > > abused

> > > > > him ,like --is all ruling planets show this . is this is the

> > way u

> > > > call

> > > > > scienific or decency .is this is the way to discuss in a

> > civilised

> > > > way

> > > > > as u says ??? why dont u test it in reality ??with him than

> > abusing

> > > > > which u ppl find is very easy and call urself

scientific ???????

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > even when ever i post i am getting reply on some unimportant

> > lines

> > > > in

> > > > > mail .just extract convent part and replies ,because u r

idea is

> > > > > diffrnt .So i openly write it as i hav also right to use my

own

> > > > > inteligence and tell the truth of ur missions .

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > .even if i proove vedas has astrology if it is not useful in

> > day to

> > > > day

> > > > > life then what is the use ,and again u ppl will come for

kutarka

> > > > again

> > > > > ,so to save time i designed this challenge for u .first i

will

> > > > prove its

> > > > > application then digging of vedas we can strt .By the time i

> > will

> > > > get

> > > > > enough time as i will b in north india for a yr min as one

more

> > > > centre

> > > > > is opening

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > now iam typing in between session s and i hav to wash and

clean

> > my

> > > > hand

> > > > > as i am using medicated oil in treatment s so to touch

> > > > computers ,some

> > > > > oils are too sticky too .i hav to hav time ,so pls avoid

this

> > > > kutarka

> > > > > line with me as i will feel i am being used as tool for ur

> > secret

> > > > > missions ,then i cannot control myself as our business needs

> > lot of

> > > > > satwik energy .In other words i am not sitting 24 hrs for u

in

> > > > computer.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > hope u understand me and pls let us go ahed or ban me as it

is

> > > > > convenient ,the choice is urs .

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > be short,sweet and crisp .giv respect and take respect this

> > includes

> > > > > other time u r using in the pretext of searching for

scietific

> > base

> > > > also

> > > > > .

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > thanks for time .

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > regrds vijaya raghavan

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > , " sanat2221 "

> > > > > <sanatkumar_jain@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Raghvan ji,

> > > > > > Namaskar,

> > > > > > First of all sorry for my msg of 2-10-8, which was in

> > response to

> > > > > > your first msg. dated 30-9-08 (which was also your date of

> > > > joining in

> > > > > > this forum). In my reply I was confused as to who is the

> > writer,

> > > > > > because you have neither mentioned your name in the

membership

> > > > menu

> > > > > > nor in the msg. nor you bothered to introduce your-self.

So

> > it is

> > > > a

> > > > > > matter of wrong identity. Thus you can very well eliminate

> > > > irrelevant

> > > > > > matter from my msg. of 2-10-8.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I will not offer any reply on your abusive language,

because

> > this

> > > > > > forum is meant for academic discussion and I will not

allow

> > it to

> > > > > > turn in to the fight of street dogs. I have no objection

for

> > your

> > > > > > staying more then a weak >>>>> i will stay in grp for one

week

> > > > > > more.<<<<< but you have to behave properly. I think we

have no

> > > > > > previous discussion on the matter hence I am unable to

answer

> > any

> > > > > > irrelevant point. Sh AK Kaul ji has correctly replied your

> > msg.

> > > > and

> > > > > > thereafter I have nothing to say.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Be careful in writing, limit your writings to astrological

> > > > > > principles, behave properly, it is my first and last

warning.

> > > > > > Otherwise, next time I will terminate your membership. I

am

> > > > watching

> > > > > > your msg. Try to learn, how to write a msg. from the msgs

of

> > Sh.

> > > > > > Prabhakar ji. Difference of opinion is one thing. I always

> > welcome

> > > > > > such difference. Rather I am continuously inviting

> > astrologers,

> > > > not

> > > > > > for supporting me but to have proper interaction on

various

> > points

> > > > > > related to predictive astrology. But abusive language is

> > different

> > > > > > and can never be allowed during serious interactions.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Thanks,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Yours truly,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Sanat

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > --- In

, " lion_draco1983 "

> > > > > > lion_draco1983@ wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > dear sanat or who ever u r ( because i dont know ur new

> > > > christain

> > > > > > name )

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > u r dancing around ,i posted everything clearly ,it was

a

> > post

> > > > frm

> > > > > > vedic

> > > > > > > astrology grp where u r also a memebr and i said i can

see

> > > > clearly

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > problems in his chart .

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > so dont dance around ,i know u did understand ,u say u r

> > only

> > > > > > scientific

> > > > > > > ,but now i am sure abt ur intention s bharath shud loose

> > this

> > > > > > skills and

> > > > > > > u ppl can get a run over on hindus that is all ,why u

negete

> > > > > > > prathyaksha anubhva ???is it scientific

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > i stick with my challenge to u on my own way as i am

> > interested

> > > > > > only in

> > > > > > > results than simple howling like a dog .

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > so be ready or say u r finsihed .

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > i dont need ur fees by god s grace .i am rich than wat u

> > think

> > > > > > after 2

> > > > > > > generation of humiliation frm u ppl .and our generation

is

> > doing

> > > > > > good

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > pls re reAD my mails .

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > i dont hav time to argue or even type ,if u ready inform

> > me ,i

> > > > will

> > > > > > stay

> > > > > > > in grp for one week more.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > if u r ready u will b cleared of ur ignorence ( self

> > imposed or

> > > > > > > finnced by some lobbies )

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > regrds vijaya raghavan

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > , " sanat2221 "

> > > > > > > <sanatkumar_jain@> wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear divyesh ji,

> > > > > > > > Namaskar,

> > > > > > > > Thanks for your msgs.

> > > > > > > > Though I do not want to reply your msg. because I am

not

> > > > doing any

> > > > > > > > prediction. But your both msgs are contradicting

where in

> > your

> > > > > > first

> > > > > > > > msg you have highlighted your problems and about

spending

> > lot

> > > > of

> > > > > > > > money on astrologers; and in 2nd msg you are saying

that

> > > > >>>>>i am

> > > > > > > > not the queriest nor looking for any predictions. i

was

> > asking

> > > > > > akk ji

> > > > > > > > and sanat ji who says they hav good command over vedic

> > > > astrology

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > now says it is not in veda ,uapanishats or puranas

and it

> > is

> > > > > > > > humbug<<<<<<. So first of all please let me know in

which

> > msg

> > > > or

> > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > which forum I claimed that I have a good command over

> > Vedic

> > > > > > astrology

> > > > > > > > (for doing any prediction except for discussion). You

can

> > > > imagine

> > > > > > > > that when I am studying astrology since last +35

years and

> > > > written

> > > > > > > > two original books than definitely I may be some what

well

> > > > aware,

> > > > > > but

> > > > > > > > I have never exploited with any Vaak Patuta

(communication

> > > > skill)

> > > > > > or

> > > > > > > > by negative prediction or remedy circus and so on.

When I

> > am

> > > > > > saying

> > > > > > > > that it is not in Ved it means something. If you, or

your

> > > > > > astrologer

> > > > > > > > or friends have some patience (other then their

business

> > > > interest)

> > > > > > > > then they can discuss it.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > So far your problem is concerned; I will like to say

that

> > you

> > > > may

> > > > > > > > continue to loose your money as long as you have

money to

> > > > fill the

> > > > > > > > stomach of astrologers. No body on Earth can help you

so

> > long

> > > > you

> > > > > > > > have no wisdom to analyze a problem. Remember,

problem it-

> > > > self is

> > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > problem, it is our inability to find the proper

solution.

> > > > Planets

> > > > > > > > have nothing to do with your wife or your problem. So

> > either

> > > > you

> > > > > > must

> > > > > > > > know the bottom side story or you may wander from one

> > > > astrologer

> > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > another. When one astrologer will suggest some remedy

> > another

> > > > will

> > > > > > > > suggest some another remedy. So continue with this

remedy

> > > > circus.

> > > > > > In

> > > > > > > > my opinion you are in need of a family counselor.

However,

> > > > you may

> > > > > > > > continue to take advice, whatever you think may be

> > beneficial

> > > > to

> > > > > > you.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Regarding >>>>> and i can see problems clearly in his

> > chart

> > > > other

> > > > > > > > wise i am fed up with same mails of both of them all

astro

> > > > > > > > forums<<<<<<< I will like to say that where you find

my

> > chart

> > > > and

> > > > > > I

> > > > > > > > have neither asked you for my problem neither in this

> > forum

> > > > nor in

> > > > > > > > any other forum, otherwise like Sh Harish JI, you will

> > also

> > > > ask

> > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > fee. So far same msg is concerned, what can be done if

> > every

> > > > > > member

> > > > > > > > like to have discussion from the very beginning and

> > > > conveniently

> > > > > > > > observe silence just to show his greatness (but they

are

> > more

> > > > > > > > interested in their business). I can only suggest and

> > request

> > > > that

> > > > > > > > whenever you see my msg. you can simply skip it. OK.

> > However,

> > > > I

> > > > > > find

> > > > > > > > that you have just joined our forum. So I am unable to

> > > > understand

> > > > > > > > your observations.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Hope to read your msg. regularly.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Thanks,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Yours truly,

> > > > > > > > Sanat

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > --- In

> > , " lion_draco1983 "

> > > > > > > > lion_draco1983@ wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > dear kaul ji and sanat ji

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > pls dee this chart according to vedic astrology and

giv

> > us

> > > > ur

> > > > > > > > comments

> > > > > > > > > .let us get back to exprnce of a person than

excavating

> > for

> > > > so

> > > > > > > > called

> > > > > > > > > proofs as a culture which has gone tru various

turmoil

> > need

> > > > not

> > > > > > hav

> > > > > > > > all

> > > > > > > > > supporting documents .

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Now i am a student ( means not regular but arm

chair )

> > of

> > > > > > > > astrology .

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > see his moon dasa and see his debilated venus and

its

> > > > aspect on

> > > > > > dasa

> > > > > > > > > Lord and his life exprnce

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > here is the post .

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > dear sir/madam

> > > > > > > > > PLEASE DO NOT GET OFFENDED AS I HAVE POSTED MY

PROBLEM

> > ON

> > > > HERE

> > > > > > > > BEFORE, I

> > > > > > > > > DO NOT

> > > > > > > > > MEAN ANY KIND OF OFFENCE OR AM I SAYING THAT PEOPLE

WHO

> > HAVE

> > > > > > > > ADVISED ME

> > > > > > > > > BEFORE

> > > > > > > > > ARE WRONG OR NOT GENUINE, SOME OF YOU ARE RIGHT,

BUT MY

> > > > PLIGHT

> > > > > > IS

> > > > > > > > STILL

> > > > > > > > > THERE,

> > > > > > > > > AND I REPOST OUT OF FRUSTRATION.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > i have contact many dozens of astrologers, in the

last

> > few

> > > > > > months

> > > > > > > > > because, my

> > > > > > > > > life is a still mess, i have lost my job, my

marriage

> > has

> > > > been a

> > > > > > > > mess

> > > > > > > > > and me and

> > > > > > > > > my wife dont talk and have not slept in the same

> > bedroom for

> > > > > > over

> > > > > > > > 10yrs,

> > > > > > > > > we are

> > > > > > > > > only together for sake of kids.,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > i know abt my mahadasa and antradasa etc, but i

still

> > > > believe

> > > > > > > > things can

> > > > > > > > > be done

> > > > > > > > > here and now.

> > > > > > > > > all astrologers have told me so many different

things, i

> > > > have

> > > > > > paid

> > > > > > > > so

> > > > > > > > > much

> > > > > > > > > money,(in total i must of paid at least 3500pounds

in

> > the

> > > > last

> > > > > > > > 12months

> > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > poojas, yagnas and chart readings and advice alone).

> > yet i

> > > > am no

> > > > > > > > better

> > > > > > > > > off in

> > > > > > > > > any respect,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Â i have done many prayers to all sorts of planets

> and

> > > gods,

> > > > > i

> > > > > > > have

> > > > > > > > > been told to

> > > > > > > > > spend more money on gemstones which vary from blue

> > > > sapphire, red

> > > > > > > > coral,

> > > > > > > > > pearl,

> > > > > > > > > emerald, and diamond,, i have been told such things

as

> > > > shani or

> > > > > > > > rahu, or

> > > > > > > > > ketu,

> > > > > > > > > or sun or moon or jupiter or venus is affecting me,

> > > > > > > > > or to pay to have more poojas and yagnas done, i

have

> > been

> > > > told

> > > > > > > > that i

> > > > > > > > > have been

> > > > > > > > > cursed, blackmagic, pitru curse, naag(cobra) curse,

and

> > many

> > > > > > more

> > > > > > > > other

> > > > > > > > > things,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > i have been told that i should pray to my weaker

> > (malefic)

> > > > > > planets to

> > > > > > > > > make them

> > > > > > > > > stronger, or that i should NOT pray to my weaker

> > (malefic)

> > > > > > planets,

> > > > > > > > as

> > > > > > > > > praying to

> > > > > > > > > them will cause more harm as i am making them

stronger

> > to

> > > > harm

> > > > > > me

> > > > > > > > more,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > or that i should pray to my benefic planets to make

them

> > > > even

> > > > > > > > stronger,

> > > > > > > > > or that

> > > > > > > > > i should NOT pray to them as they are stronger

anyway.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I know there are many systems of looking at

charts!!!

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > i just need help, and the astrologer who help me

sort my

> > > > > > problems,

> > > > > > > > will

> > > > > > > > > see a

> > > > > > > > > share of my gains, as i will need guidance all my

life.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Also should an astrologer/priest get paid before any

> > > > results are

> > > > > > > > > shown??? its

> > > > > > > > > like paying a doctor before he has given you

medicine

> > which

> > > > > > works,

> > > > > > > > its

> > > > > > > > > like

> > > > > > > > > paying for machine to be repaired before you know it

> > can be

> > > > > > > > repaired, or

> > > > > > > > > if the

> > > > > > > > > engineer has repaired it properly at all.(if you

know

> > what i

> > > > > > mean)

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > name divyesh parekh

> > > > > > > > > tob 18.28pm

> > > > > > > > > place mumbai india

> > > > > > > > > date 17th aug 1965

> > > > > > > > > been living in the uk since 1967

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > wifes name kamlash parekh

> > > > > > > > > tob 2200pm

> > > > > > > > > place birmingham, UK

> > > > > > > > > date 28 feb 1968

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > i want to truly know how to become wealthy and

happy in

> > my

> > > > > > > > marriage. I

> > > > > > > > > do

> > > > > > > > > believe a good astrologer/priest can tell me how to

> > achieve

> > > > all

> > > > > > > > this,

> > > > > > > > > even if my

> > > > > > > > > charts do not show it now, its just knowing the

right

> > > > mantra,

> > > > > > right

> > > > > > > > > gemstone,

> > > > > > > > > right offering etc. thru the power of faith and

prayer

> > > > nothing

> > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > impossible. no

> > > > > > > > > matter what the charts say. its about having belief

and

> > > > > > commitment.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Â we also live in a materialistic world and even god

> > > knows

> > > > > that

> > > > > > i

> > > > > > > > > have

> > > > > > > > > responsibilities to my family etc, so i cant spend

> > 15hours

> > > > a day

> > > > > > > > praying

> > > > > > > > > or

> > > > > > > > > spend all my money on poojas, yagnas etc.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > When i was young i knew a priest who could achieve

> > > > anything,Â

> > > > > > but

> > > > > > > > he

> > > > > > > > > has died

> > > > > > > > > many years ago,(he never asked for a penny) i saw

him

> > work

> > > > > > miracles

> > > > > > > > > myself, my

> > > > > > > > > parents told me he was favoured by maa kali. and i

have

> > > > always

> > > > > > said

> > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > there

> > > > > > > > > must be another person like him on this planet,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > i have been to many holy places like haridwar,

> > trirupati,

> > > > and

> > > > > > > > gayagi,

> > > > > > > > > and many

> > > > > > > > > more. but have only empty promises or con men.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > My faith in god will never be questioned. shiva,

vishnu,

> > > > brahma

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > maa

> > > > > > > > > shakti,

> > > > > > > > > and i will always believe in god, i will do my

prayers

> > till

> > > > i

> > > > > > die,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > again apologies sincerely i do not wish to offend,

but i

> > > > seek

> > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > one

> > > > > > > > > true

> > > > > > > > > person for me,(maybe my future guru)

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > regards

> > > > > > > > > divyesh

> > > > > > > > > vedic-

> > astrology/message/105854

> > > > > > > > > <vedic-

> > > > astrology/message/105854>

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > regrds VR

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

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dear sanat

think you have decided to always either sidetrack the issue or notcontinuing a point to its logical end.In my first para of the msg dated 9-10-8 I have clearly mentioned"Yes, if you have some principle by which you can substantiate thestomach or economy or child birth etc then come forward with thatprinciple." means horoscope with specific principles and specificprediction (which I have already detailed). But for the sake of Godplease remain within the frame of predictive astrology and do not tryto break my head with the Iron pillar of Delhi, which has nothing todo with predictive astrology.

Ans --first of all i asked u to proove ur claims ,but u think by taking this discussion long and long can divert this discussion to ur area of interest ,being a performing life science which i blv u must show me its ineffiencey by showing me why it is not working offcource u shud not twist classic guide lines to suit ur imaginations ,it is simply dry arguements ,arguements for the favr of arguements with a evil mission .which all will agree .

I used all those points u raised to show u r own dry arguements in favr of science is like that or this ( which u also very well know why i put all those points ) ,where as i asked u on the contrary to explain ,use all dictums as it is already known to u as ur +35 yrs in exprnce but ur interest is win ur arguemnts .And u want all secrets which some acheive after long toil of study which depends on his good karma .even u very well know that i am pointing to that only ,but some how u r determined as influenced by some bad elemnts and money forces and getting paid for it ,eager to twist all logics .

(Our ''intellectual'' and fast approach to gain and explain everythingin a haste may not take us towrds Truth.The mind of tapaswi who is willing to wait for ages for every drop ofTruth may be blessed by HIM. May the HIM unfold himself within us.)Again i know i am doing a futile exercise as u r allready determined and adament like a judas who sold his guru for some shekkels ,but u shud understand wat happened to him .so dont create akkaldamas in bharath ,land of rishis .

if we follow ur logic

economics is shud b banned frm study

phychology

even history

statistics

even business analaysis

share market analaysis and finance analalysis

even all modern experiments etc etc to n number of knowledge branches .

all medicinal capacities as u r saying they must answer u first to ur twisted logics ( as nothing will pass ur kind of test and u can very well take back society to dark ages ) (Again i expect u to say all this is not astrology ( as a usual reply in every mails ) and same time u will never accept my challenge and side track all ur discussions hoping one day i will strt discussing ur way ,but i will never do it as i blv it should b between guru and sisya and it is not for public domain ) Even remebr failed test of big bang theory recently .

ha ha ,very unscientificaly scientific person or what ????

 

So to qulify urself proov ur arguemnts first on live basis on working ,living examples ,then i will explain to u all secrets ( as upadesa not in public domain ) where as u dont desrve it as u nevr prooved ur claims .

 

so ur change shud come frm within than u waiste ur time on others ( who has no missionary money and lot of other works ) to sell some books same time accepting payment for selling own culture .

I know Lord mechalay already said to u ppl ( in his speach in brit parliament and letter s to queen ) if want to win hindus destroy their culture first ,so u r following that agenda .

 

but it is ur wish and will but will never happen so

 

 

 

 

, "sanat2221" <sanatkumar_jain wrote:>> > Dear Raghvan ji,> Namaskar,> I think you have decided to always either sidetrack the issue or not > continuing a point to its logical end.> In my first para of the msg dated 9-10-8 I have clearly mentioned > "Yes, if you have some principle by which you can substantiate the > stomach or economy or child birth etc then come forward with that > principle." means horoscope with specific principles and specific > prediction (which I have already detailed). But for the sake of God > please remain within the frame of predictive astrology and do not try > to break my head with the Iron pillar of Delhi, which has nothing to > do with predictive astrology.> > I think you are not reading the msg, which I have bifurcated in > various points for proper linking and discussion. And you, yourself > are not willing to pursue your points, then what I can do. OK as you > please.> > Regarding > >>>>>>what is the problem if u realy blv astro is non working science > and> totaly baseless in accepting charts ,<<<<< I will like to say that I have already answered against your > following narration in previous msg> (((>>>>So now let us do in reality ,and see dictums with charts > posted by individuals .Then i will explain all thing s …….all city > but cannot devlp it in one century .<<<<<<<<> I have asked you some pinpointed principles, which we can apply on > various horoscopes. So come forward with charts and supportive > principles regarding fixed predictions as pointed out in my msg dated > 6-10-8.)))> > So Please come forward with any chart (if you have not seen the > report card of astrologers after a survey conducted by Sh Narlikar ji > then may refer in file section)or any point or advise any silent > astrologer to answer any point to continue the discussion, because > you have already admitted that >>>>>>all other ur questions are > backwas which is already explained in classics<<<<<<<. Hence you can > go ahead with any chart and any principle which is not backwas and > may not be in any classics.> > Waiting.> > Yours truly,> > Sanat> > > > > > , "lion_draco1983" > lion_draco1983@ wrote:> >> > > > > > > > dear sanat> > > > > > > > sure this time also u make me smile by ur twisted logics and i > enjoyed> > it [] as all public is seeing u clay feet [] and futility of > ur> > claims as when ever i bring the point tru various exmples u r > brushing> > aside as it is not predictive astrology where as u dont hav real > courage> > to touch any charts .> > > > > > > > u r cheating ur self ,i strted with a common tread that i will > show> > first efficacy of astrology (offcource u will show me where classics> > failed ) and i will take charts frm only published list ( not > created by> > me ) ,and then we can even do a public gathering ( again ur putting> > advtment and inviting ppl ) and accept their charts .Again i told u > u> > can use ur missionary frnds to see the efficacy for a span of 1 yr > as we> > need to close this challenge also .( here where is confusion ) > again we> > r not accepting any money or even gift for all this game ,so where > is> > the cheating as u said ??> > > > > > > > how astrology formed or how sani got its name all such discussion s > we> > can do later as i blv in showing efficacy first ( which u never> > acheived in ur so called +35 yrs into astrology and rest of ur life > into> > missionary activities ,where as simple 18 months in predictiv and > b4 in> > medical astrology ( not modern but old ) ) i know its > efficacy .even in> > ayurveda or other so many indian science we use .> > > > > > > > rest of ur mail u dont deserve an answer as it is designed to > twist> > logics and bring discussion to a sort of long long arguements ,u r > here> > doing arguements for the sake of arguemnt and not doing any > constructiv> > discussion as ur mission is diffrnt .> > > > > > > > what is the problem if u realy blv astro is non working science > and> > totaly baseless in accepting charts ,pls illuminate me> > > > > > > > wish u happy dassera and vijaya dasami .> > > > > > > > > > > > rgeds viajay raghavan .> > > > > > > > > > , "sanat2221"> > <sanatkumar_jain@> wrote:> > >> > >> > > Dear Raghvan ji,> > > Namaskar,> > > I think you have decided to always sidetrack the issue. This > forum is> > > discussing the predictive astrological principles and not ayurved > or> > > stomach or economy of America or your patient and so on. Yes, if > you> > > have some principle by which you can substantiate the stomach or> > > economy or child birth etc then come forward with that principle. > Try> > > to be specific on questions, otherwise there is no sense in > throwing> > > the irrelevant sentences/para.> > >> > > You and every member must be clear that predictive astrology has> > > nothing to do with Hindu religion. Even if you are bent upon to > link> > > the predictive astrology with religion then I can only feel sorry.> > >> > > Try to continue a point instead of leaving it unattended. So that > any> > > conclusion may be drawn. I always try to follow this.> > >> > > >>>>>u r asking some funny qestions ( still enjoying [] ) But > all> > > this question r ur readymade ones which i read many times b4 and> > > fed up also and very unscientific and realy designed to push down> > > matter under discussion knowing the facts well [] . []<<<<<<<> > > Even you or so-called learner / expert astrologers are not > replying> > > despite repeating various readymade questions. What is the harm if> > > you reply these readymade old questions or admit that you do not > have> > > answer then we can go ahead in some new direction. But point > should> > > be attended.> > >> > > >>>>can u teach me wat is science ……………. so> > > better leav it ( many dies long long b4)<<<<<< We must focus on> > > predictive astrology and do not try to divert the issue.> > >> > > >>>>So now let us do in reality ,and see dictums with charts > posted> > > by individuals .Then i will explain all thing s …….all city but> > > cannot devlp it in one century .<<<<<<<<> > > I have asked you some pinpointed principles, which we can apply on> > > various horoscopes. So come forward with charts and supportive> > > principles regarding fixed predictions as pointed out in my msg > dated> > > 6-10-8.> > >> > > >>>>>>>one exmple in my life ,when ever i visits forign countries > for> > > long…………. may b in 100s who is travelling with me ??as i travel> > for> > > pilgrimage too .<<<<<< So you may come out with any predictive> > > principle. Your visit to foreign countries or pilgrimage has > nothing> > > to do with the correctness of predictive astrology.> > >> > > >>>>>>>>so stop dancing around and asking useless argements> > ………..yrs> > > proov in a mans life [:-$] .<<<<<> > > Is it useless to ask as to what is Rahu Ketu. Is it useless to > ask as> > > to how sign were devised. Is it useless to ask as to how various> > > principles of signlord, aspect, friendship, exalted, dasha etc. > were> > > formulated. And in your opinion it is only useful to misguide a> > > simple innocent person by claiming that astrology is Vedic or> > > astrology is science and exploiting the issue by linking it with> > > religion, whereas Krishna himself said about Karm (Mahabharat was> > > written by Ved Vyas who was son of Parashar. Then he can very well> > > support his father and Krishna may say that take action according > to> > > planetary transit and so on………). Do not argue for the sake of> > > argument.> > >> > > >>>>>>i know astrology is not ayurveda but we r using same> > > priciples……… kind of snake bite ) [O:)] .<<<<<<< When you know> > that> > > Ayruved is not astrology then why are you wasting time and > energy. Be> > > specific on predictive astrology.> > >> > > >>>>>>first of all leav all this propaganda ( we know u r mission> > > clearly ) or accept my challenge why cant u take it if u strongly > blv> > > it ?? [:-?]<<<<<<< Asking a pointed question when out of 180 > members> > > almost 177 members may be on your side is not a propaganda. You> > > should know that propaganda is done among like minded members as > is> > > being done in 99 % forums (Sh Kaul Ji what is your opinion? As you> > > are member of many forums), where dissident voice is banned. It is> > > your failure, which you are trying to coverup by using some> > > irrelevant points (or some filthy language). How I can create a> > > propaganda when more then 95% members may not agree with me or > when> > > I am inviting astrologers who may definitely be against me. But I > am> > > discussing with open mind and you are discussing with biased> > > attitude. I am studying astrology since last +35 years and come > out> > > with two original books, on which every astrologer is silent. Why,> > > because it is not propaganda but they are eye opener. You can also> > > read these books in your spare time to know the bare truth.> > >> > > >>>>>>instead of classifying all predictions into diffrnt catagory> > > with some english juggling words .which is written by some one> > > else ?? [;]<<<<<<< It is all my narration. Spare some time and > go> > > through all my msgs. You must know that I have written two books > and> > > working on third book so I can very well express my views. And > after> > > writing two original research based books I have sufficient > backup to> > > question your skill and answer on various points being raised by> > > astrologers to misguide a simple man. If you are interested to > verify> > > my statement then you can go through my book ("Jyotish Kitna Sahi> > > Kitna Galat" in Hindi or "Astrology a science or myth" in English,> > > whose front picture is signature picture of the forum.).> > >> > > >>>>>>all other ur questions are backwas which is already > explained> > > in classics ………… afrikan and indian is diffrnt in health and> > immunity> > > and many other characteristics [;] .<<<<<<<< If my questions are> > > backwas then why they have been explained in classics, Or you are> > > saying that classics have answer on backwaas. If it (backwas) is> > > already contained in classics then why you are not coming forward> > > with answers instead of throwing your arguments here and there. I> > > will like to suggest that you can take help of other forums and > may> > > ask your friends and learned / learner astrologers in this forum. > I> > > have no objection or you may take any point from my old> > > blog "Astrology a science or myth" or from various SOA…………> > files or> > > msgs, which are pending because astrologers are not able to even> > > support their stand or you may come forward on any point (but only> > > astrology).> > >> > > >>>u know it very well but ur mission is diffrnt ,i remebr one > lady in> > > kerala died yesterday……….. 100 times more than this foreign debt> > > <<<<< It would have been more fruitful if any astrologer out of > lakhs> > > astrologer may have been warned about such incident instead of> > > beating the bush.> > >> > > >>>>>>[(] , HA HA ,any way thanks for a nice evening<<<< Hope to> > > have many more nice evening.> > >> > > >>>>>now u can strt accepting charts<<<<<<< You can go ahead in > any> > > direction because you may have no answer on my pointed issues.> > > Otherwise continue our points to have some conclusion instead of> > > diverting the issue. Even after some hot exchages we have not yet> > > started any discussion on any astrological point. It shows your> > > attitude towards a sincere discussion. When you are not prepared > to> > > think a fresh with open mind even after experiment of Sh Narlikar > Ji> > > then it is rather difficult to convince you on your off-shot > comments.> > >> > > Remember that outcome of discussion is not going to terminate our> > > existence or business. So be cool, logical, remain within > framework.> > > When I am prepared to think a fresh on any point if raised by any> > > member (who are almost against my views) then why are you not> > > prepared to have open mind when everybody is on your side and come> > > forward with straight answer. And why are you loosing your temper,> > > which is evident from your msgs. Remember it is academic > discussion> > > and not the fight for bread and butter.> > >> > > Thanks> > >> > > Yours truly,> > > Sanat> > >> > > Members :> > >> > > Welcome to all new members. You may please take active part in > open> > > discussion.> > >> > > 1 Silent members may please come forward and share your views on> > > either side. Membership of any member will not be terminated; so > long> > > you are using a good language irrespective of your stand.> > >> > > 2 Ms. Dipika Ji, you are not regular like Sh. AK Kaul ji. I hope > you> > > may be OK.> > >> > > 3 Sh. Prabhakar Ji, Nathani Ji may please come forward with your> > > answers. I hope by now you may have searched the answers in> > > Lalkitab / astrological book. Sh Nirmal Kumar Bhardwaj ji (or any> > > other member), if you want then you can also pick up the point of > Sh> > > Prabhakar ji.> > >> > > 4 Sh. Ghopal Ji, we are waiting for your msg / views since long.> > >> > > 5 Sh. Deshmukh ji, please write your msg as soon as you feel > healthy.> > > Ask you son-in-law to meet me during his next visit to Gwalior. My> > > ph. 0751-2626868 and residing in Dal Bazar.> > >> > > 6 Member with jyotishi2001@ ID, who joined the forum on 16-7-> > > 8 may please come forward with your introduction. I do not know > as to> > > why you are concealing your identity. You must have courage to> > > support your stand, and rest assure except filthy language every> > > argument on either side is permitted in this forum. Remember, our> > > failure to answer a question is the gateway for touching the > truth.> > > So do not afraid from any failure.> > >> > > 7 If any member has any question / answer/ views etc., on which > you> > > have some hesitation then you can directly write on my email> > > sanatkumar_jain@> > >> > > 8 I am answering every msg serially having some question for me> > > (within 2-3 days). If any member thinks that I have not answered > his> > > msg. then he can very well remind me.> > >> > > 9 Continue to invite your friends of other forums for having a> > > vibrant discussion. Remember this is the only forum where you can> > > analyze astrological principles without suppressing your views.> > >> > > 10 If members may have some useful astrological e-books, article,> > > blog, views, news etc. then you may please upload them in file> > > section for the benefit of members.> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > , "lion_draco1983"> > > lion_draco1983@ wrote:> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > dear sanat ji .> > > >> > > > Namasakar to u too .> > > >> > > > Thanks for ur mail> > > >> > > > but i had lot of fun at ur expense i am asking u to proov in> > > reality and> > > > u r asking some funny qestions ( still enjoying [] )> > > >> > > > But all this question r ur readymade ones which i read many > times> > > b4 and> > > > fed up also and very unscientific and realy designed to push > down> > > > matter under discussion knowing the facts well [] . []> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > can u teach me wat is science or is it some thing fixed > one ,does> > > all> > > > this neo science hold in that yardstick> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > then why cant they proov delhi iron pillar is humb bug or real > or> > > super> > > > ??after all this yrs ??> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > If so phycology /history /economics /.maangement studies /all> > > other> > > > ----- subjucts why some one shud study and practise [>] .> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > even ur science says 2 diffrnt thing at same breath []> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > some times says fat food givs heart attack and giving low fat > food> > > and> > > > says again givs heart attacks [)] ( one example and i dont > want> > > to> > > > spoil my time )> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > says exercise givs good life span ,can u show one olympian lived> > > more> > > > than 80 yrs ( may b one or 2 but i am asking u in general ) so > all> > > > sciences except mathematics will not hold water with ur > theory ,so> > > > better leav it ( many dies long long b4 )> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > So now let us do in reality ,and see dictums with charts posted > by> > > > individuals .Then i will explain all thing s with u other wise u> > > dont> > > > deserv it man ,same question i can ask to any one ,even to a> > > doctor ,he> > > > will say couple has no problem to conceiv and why not happening> > > last 15> > > > yrs he dont know .what will u say?? Modern medical science is> > > humbug or> > > > needs more time to devlp ?? or we shud trow baby with bucket and> > > water> > > > ???> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > i will never say it is 100 % working because of various reason > like> > > u r> > > > favrite science tho u r very unscientific and dogamtic and with > a> > > evil> > > > mission in mind ( also foreign funded as ur adamnce shows as u > need> > > to> > > > proove to ur bosses ) and says and repeats same ready made> > > answers .So> > > > u embrace science as ur saviour as it is easy for u .like a> > > mtchstick> > > > can destroy all city but cannot devlp it in one century .> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > one exmple in my life ,when ever i visits forign countries for > long> > > > duration and come back i get water problem ,i drink water frm > india> > > my> > > > stomach will b upset for 1 week ( there and here too i drink> > > mineral> > > > water only esp after visit for 3 weeks ) .then again while> > > travelling> > > > in india tho i am using mineral water ( long distance ) ,if i > change> > > > brand i will get stomach upset .how u explain by scince ,u can> > > explain> > > > as it is easy ,but why it is not happening to my wife ?? or> > > frnds ?? or> > > > others may b in 100s who is travelling with me ??as i travel for> > > > pilgrimage too .> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > so stop dancing around and asking useless argements ,it is > easy ,i> > > wont> > > > bite ur bait as u wanted to go on asking unnceesarry questions > on a> > > life> > > > science and diverting real essence of it ,but intention is > diffrnt> > > and> > > > also i hav to use my quality time diffrnt way ,u see whn i > asked u> > > > ayurvedic based question u run awy as u dont want to enter there> > > > .because u know u will fail defenitly as it is also working > science> > > and> > > > we can prove it in a months time in frnt of u even using> > > astrological> > > > theories ( i will tell u in adavnce what will happen on which> > > nakshtra> > > > days what will happen on eachnakshtra days based on same maya > the> > > > mlecha suryaisidhanta based stars which destroyed kashmere ) > where> > > as> > > > astro needs so many yrs proov in a mans life [:-$] .> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > i know astrology is not ayurveda but we r using same priciples > but> > > not> > > > dasa or charts .even i find in old generation tru prashna they > say> > > which> > > > serpent or snake bite the patient ,now antivenoms is applicable > (> > > and> > > > stopped using that technics ) and those days needs diffrnt> > > treatment for> > > > each kind of snake bite So good physicians prepare medicine > well in> > > > advance means the moment party strted to meet the physician he > will> > > b> > > > ready here with all facility (means asks his servants to make> > > > preparations and medicns and will say such a patient will come > with> > > this> > > > kind of snake bite ) [O:)] .> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > first of all leav all this propaganda ( we know u r mission> > > clearly ) or> > > > accept my challenge why cant u take it if u strongly blv it ?? > [:-?]> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > instead of classifying all predictions into diffrnt catagory > with> > > some> > > > english juggling words .which is written by some one else ?? > [;]> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > even i said later we can use mass prediction s in some maidan to> > > ppl> > > > invited by a new paper advtment ,u and ur missionaries can > follow> > > it up> > > > and we will keep the copy that is all .( only predictions with > one> > > yr> > > > long ranging effect as it is easy )> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > all other ur questions are backwas which is already explained in> > > > classics to use kala desa ,patra ,kula ,gotra and paristithy as > it> > > is> > > > used as helping science than a fatal science .even modern > science> > > also> > > > uses this as an afrikan and indian is diffrnt in health and> > > immunity> > > > and many other characteristics [;] .> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > u know it very well but ur mission is diffrnt ,i remebr one > lady in> > > > kerala died yestrday after 36 yrs in coma after emplyed some> > > sedativs (> > > > how u justify it if science working linearly why it affect her > than> > > > helping her )> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > if so why america failed economicaly with 56 trillion dolars> > > foreign> > > > debt and trying cover it ( i dont think astrologers and maya the> > > mlecha> > > > influenced them ) and going to fail in big way why any of ur neo> > > > science helped them than do another war and grab others money > and> > > > natural resources ( u r also trying to do it as u r inflenced by> > > such> > > > forces but another way ) even according ur style of arguement if> > > richest> > > > country in world has this much debts then poor countries has 20 > or> > > 100> > > > times more than this foreign debt [(] , HA HA ,any way> > > thanks for> > > > a nice evening> > > >> > > > now u can strt accepting charts> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > regrds vijaya raghavan> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > , "sanat2221"> > > > <sanatkumar_jain@> wrote:> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Dear Raghvan ji,> > > > > Namaskar,> > > > > <<<<<<I dont understand still what u mean by scientific>>>>>, > it> > > > > means that if you are of the opinion that predictive > astrology is> > > > > science (science means, which can be proved, which can be > repeated> > > > > and there may not be any ambiguity). Thus if pred. astrology > is> > > > > science then you or any one must be aware as to how > astrological> > > > > principles were formulated, what is Rahu Ketu, what is the > affect> > > of> > > > > planet and so on (refer "astrology a science or myth" in file> > > section> > > > > for offering your comments. Only a firm belief without > scientific> > > > > support can not be regarded as science.> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Actually prediction may be broadly classified in the following> > > > > categories.> > > > >> > > > > 1. Postmortem prediction – Any past event or present situation> > is> > > > > concluded by any principle like aspect, dasha, saptmansha, > navansh> > > > > etc., transit position of planets, by changing time of birth> > > > …………….> > > > > and so on. Thus individual is always in the impression that > his> > > > > past/present is covered by astrology hence astrology is > correct.> > > > >> > > > > 2 . Psychological prediction – Narration of situation is> > predicted> > > > in> > > > > a way, which appears correct due to psychological affect on > mind.> > > > > Like "you are presently passing through some problem". It is> > > evident> > > > > that when a person is visiting an astrologer then definitely > he> > > must> > > > > be in trouble. But by saying so, astrologer touch the > weakness of> > > > > individual and any person will start to narrate his problem > like a> > > > > parrot. In between dialogue of the astrologer implant a> > > psychological> > > > > affect, which appears correct.> > > > >> > > > > 3 Remedial prediction – Astrologer try to convince an> > individual> > > > > that there is some problem in achieving success or in > solution of> > > any> > > > > problem but it can only be avoided by wearing some gem, > offering> > > > > etc., vastu, fengsui etc. (in which astrologer is directly> > > involved> > > > > thorough commission or so), or guide to do some offering> > > privately,> > > > > prey to his god (in which astrologer is not directly involved > but> > > he> > > > > gain confidence of the client), which in turn may bring other> > > client> > > > > for extracting money. Thus if client succeed then he will> > > permanently> > > > > fall in the lap of astrologer and in case of failure > astrologer> > > will> > > > > convince him that he has already warned for some problem and> > > remedy> > > > > was little affective due to higher side of negative affect of> > > planets.> > > > >> > > > > 4. Situational prediction – Some party, team etc. may win,> > heavy> > > > > rain, summer, winter etc., this has nothing to do with > astrology> > > but> > > > > very affective in winning the confidence of local residents. > Some> > > > > time they take help of proverb but individual is not able to> > > realize> > > > > that any planetary position socalled responsible for rain, > summer> > > > > etc. is applicable to entire Earth. Thus rain may be on entire> > > Earth> > > > > and so on.> > > > >> > > > > 5 Fluke prediction – Like at the age of 1 or 2, any prediction> > > > that> > > > > individual may be doctor etc., Such prediction is affective to> > > lure> > > > > the parents and astrologer may get benefit. If in fluke he > become> > > > > doctor then astrologer will get publicity.> > > > >> > > > > 6 Fixed predictions – This is the actual prediction based on> > some> > > > > principle. This is actually the signboard of astrologer but > they> > > can> > > > > never predict any event except narrating some past stories to > get> > > > > confidence of individual.> > > > >> > > > > Thus astrologer can never predict as> > > > > 1 any horoscope belongs to Male or Female, because sex has > very> > > vital> > > > > role in the life of some one (through out the world and in all> > > > > religion), and it affect whole sequence of event.> > > > > 2 When he will be married or just have sexual relationship. Do> > > planet> > > > > knows that it is marriage and it is sexual relationship > without> > > > > marriage?> > > > > 3 How many marriages. Because in India we have mostly only one> > > > > marriage and one partner for sexual relationship, where as > Muslim> > > > > countries have mostly more then one marriages at a time and> > > western> > > > > countries may mostly have more then one marriage (one by one) > at a> > > > > time but mostly have many partner for sexual relationship. So > how> > > any> > > > > planet who is responsible for marriage know and affect as to > who> > > may> > > > > have to lead with one wife, who may with more wives and who > may> > > have> > > > > one by one many wives.> > > > > 4 How many childrens (male or female) and when. How planet> > > > > differentiate that a tribal man or osama may have more > children> > > then> > > > > most of the persons of the world.> > > > > 5 About his Education, profession, Finance and ofcourse about > his> > > > > death.> > > > >> > > > > Will you please intimate at least One or more principle which > in> > > your> > > > > opinion is correct. But remember result must be absolute and > not> > > > > vague or with psychological mixing. I mean to say that you may> > > > > intimate any principle by which you can predict above points.> > > > >> > > > > Do have any definite principle or you have a set of principles> > > like> > > > > 1- So and so time is not good or good. Now such predictions > are> > > not> > > > > predictions at all. Because how a time may be bad, when your > body> > > is> > > > > intact, your house is intact, your family is intact, your> > > education> > > > > is intact. But such sentence can only lead any person to > magnify> > > his> > > > > problem and may confirm that his time is bad.> > > > > 2- You are not getting according to your knowledge. Now every> > > person> > > > > is not satisfied with, what he has. So he may just confirm. > This> > > is> > > > > only psychology.> > > > > Thus all I repeat all predictions are psychological or if not > then> > > > > they are randomly correct, which has noting to do with > science or> > > > > ved, and when a result of some principle is not repeated then > how> > > you> > > > > can say that it is prediction and it is science.> > > > >> > > > > We are discussing predictive astrology and not ayurvedic> > > treatment.> > > > > If ayurvedic treatment is right that what it has to do with > the> > > > > principle of predictive astrology. Even Arya samaj who is main> > > > > supporter of Ved, admit that ved has nothing to do with > predictive> > > > > astrology.> > > > >> > > > > Regarding >>>>) u ppl come in packs or fake ids and attacks > and> > > > > humiliates<<<<<<and >>>>>> after i read u for for > months<<<<<<< I> > > > > must clear that neither I have fake ID nor I am writing in > other> > > > > forum except invitation to my forum. Thus I am even not > reading> > > as to> > > > > which msg is being passed on to other forums, so forget for> > > replying.> > > > > I have even no time to write individual msgs and thus to cut> > > short I> > > > > use PS and cover minor points for other members. Hence there > is no> > > > > need or use for such fake ID. There is no question of > humiliation> > > as> > > > > I am putting very simple question derived from individual > replies> > > and> > > > > I often suggest members to take help of other astrologer in > other> > > > > forum or personal friends. I encourage them to interact and> > > suggest> > > > > them to invite their friends. So where is the question of> > > > > humiliation? Refer various SOA………. Files in file section.> > Where> > > > you> > > > > will find some interaction, so where is humiliation? I am not> > > > > exposing in their forum so their business may not be harmed. > Thus> > > > > your contention is totally biased and unfounded.> > > > >> > > > > >>>>> ur ids like jyothishi2001>>>>, what a fun. It is not my > ID.> > > > > Except a welcome note of 20-7-8, I have not interacted with > him. I> > > > > even do not know his name etc.> > > > >> > > > > >>>>> problem ,but dont invite some poor ppl who r trying to > help> > > in> > > > > grps and u r systematicaly abusing them with a set of > questions> > > as u> > > > > r well planned and they r not .Many of them learned it even > self> > > only> > > > > prediction part and using as hobby without charging one > rs>>>>>>>> > > I> > > > > am only inviting those individuals who are either interested > in> > > > > astrology (may be learner or hobby etc.) or who are advising> > > > > individuals (either free or for promoting their business, I > am not> > > > > concerned). And so long he is silently reading the msg., how > can I> > > > > ask him. There are more then +100 silent members. But when he > says> > > > > that it is vedic or science or his prediction is 100% correct> > > then I> > > > > am asking about the principles and systematic questions. So > where> > > is> > > > > the humiliation? I have also asked from you. It is not> > > humiliation;> > > > > it is exchange of views. If he is learner and have some wrong > idea> > > > > about the predictive astrology then he must know the truth > from> > > his> > > > > own logic. You must know that counter question is neither > abusing> > > nor> > > > > humiliation. Moreover I am not concerned with an individual > as to> > > who> > > > > is he, I am only concerned with principles of predictive> > > astrology.> > > > > That's I have also interacted with the members who have not> > > disclosed> > > > > their name etc. Because my mission is only to find the truth > and> > > to> > > > > intimate the truth. Thus I always used to write at the end of > the> > > > > msg. that discussion is not personal but academic. And for the> > > > > convenience compiled some interaction in various SOA…….> > Files, so> > > > he> > > > > may pick any point of his choice.> > > > >> > > > > I hope this will clear the mind of many silent members too.> > > > >> > > > > I am not interested in banning any member like other forums. > But> > > > > definitely I will like to maintain decorum. I hope you will> > > maintain> > > > > the decorum and take part in discussion with your stand, > instead> > > of> > > > > writing msg. without any substance for discussion. So far > writing> > > of> > > > > Sh AK Kaul is concerned, I can say that he always maintain and> > > like> > > > > good language. He is very senior, learned, logical and active.> > > Thus I> > > > > will like to emphasize that inability of a member, to answer > is> > > not> > > > > humiliation but it is a gateway for him to think a fresh, with> > > open> > > > > mind and ask such points in other forum / astrologers so that > he> > > may> > > > > be mentally strong in either way and come forward with some> > > logical,> > > > > scientific reply. I have asked a very simple question as to > what> > > is> > > > > Rahu Ketu and so on from some reputed astrologers. They are > not> > > > > replying and quitting the forum or are silent. Is it > humiliation?> > > We> > > > > are just learning and teaching simultaneously. I hope you will> > > > > continue.> > > > >> > > > > Thanks> > > > >> > > > > Yours truly,> > > > > Sanat> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > PS:> > > > > 1 Welcome to new members. They can take up any point for> > > discussion.> > > > >> > > > > 2 Member with jyotishi2001@ ID, who joined the forum on 16-7-> > > > > 8 may please come forward with his introduction. I do not > know as> > > to> > > > > why he is concealing his identity. He must have courage to > support> > > > > his stand, and rest assure except filthy language every > argument> > > on> > > > > either side is permitted in this forum.> > > > >> > > > > 3 Some members are not replying on pending points. I hope by > now> > > > > they have gathered the information in support of his stand.> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > , "lion_draco1983"> > > > > lion_draco1983@ wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > Mr .sanat> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > thanks for ur response and warning> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > I dont understand still what u mean by scientific as u not > ready> > > > > to> > > > > > see any results on actual basis .now let me repeat .> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > i posted a chart 4 days back ( and till today u or sri AKK > or> > > > > none of> > > > > > ur cronies never bothered to reply me ) and i will pick more> > > charts> > > > > frm> > > > > > vedic astro grps ( as i hav memebrship in all prime grps > and i> > > will> > > > > > quote even messge numbers and date for ur convenience ) > which is> > > > > posted> > > > > > by diffrnt ppl who came for predictions .so u can see all > those> > > > > charts> > > > > > and tell me were it is not working since u said u r 35 yrs > in> > > > > astrology> > > > > > and as u find it is not working and AKK ji was in astro > since> > > > > > generations and he also find it is not working and that is > the> > > > > reasons u> > > > > > go to veda s and other literature and find that this is mass> > > > > cheating> > > > > > system .so proove me that first ( and u can check the where> > > abts abt> > > > > > queriests urself and satisfied then only u need to step into> > > it .)> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > after considering various chart for a yr or let us fix a> > > time ,see> > > > > the> > > > > > probablity and correctness ( even i will participate -> simple 18> > > > > months> > > > > > exprnced man than ur tall claims ,may b into predictiv part > of> > > > > astro as> > > > > > i find it is very well working in our treatments ,as i am an> > > > > ayurvedic> > > > > > by profession ) ,> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > kerala ayurvedic by generations and our ancesters suffered> > > similar> > > > > > queries ( insults ) to proov scientificaly . how oil applied> > > over> > > > > the> > > > > > body is working for inside the body ??how it can cure> > > epilepsy ??> > > > > how it> > > > > > can cure mental problems ,does any one is fool to think this> > > herb we> > > > > > find in street which cost u nothing ( those days ) can > cure ,it> > > is> > > > > > humbug to devil worship etc etc ,and using coconut oil ( we > r> > > giving> > > > > > upto 200ml of ghee daily in some treatments and after full> > > cource is> > > > > > finished no cholostrol u can find by modern methods -i mean > un> > > usual> > > > > > --so what u proove ghee has fat or not ???) in medicine can> > > kill u> > > > > as it> > > > > > has highest cholestol -those days medias and these kind of > ppl (> > > > > now u r> > > > > > doing for diffrnt indian science ) and we dont hav any voice> > > those> > > > > as we> > > > > > dont own any print media which was very power ful those > days .)> > > That> > > > > was> > > > > > another story and now all upside down with god grace .> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > I find u ppl hav diffrnt aim and it is viscible as u r not> > > ready to> > > > > > accept those challenge and want to divert the dicsussion to> > > > > unlimited> > > > > > vedas and proofs and it can only done by some one with no > real> > > job> > > > > > ,where as i asked u systematicaly .let us first proov it it > is> > > > > humbug as> > > > > > u claimed ,then we can conduct massive prediction s even in> > > maidans> > > > > > after ur ppl organised it and invite ppl frm all over one> > > selected> > > > > city> > > > > > too.i will sent u good astrologers .Then once it is prooven> > > then it> > > > > > becomes my head ache to giv the proof in vedas after i test > all> > > ur> > > > > > knowledge and worthiness.Beacuse real vedic scholars r > coming to> > > > > u .not> > > > > > me .so ask them .they r not trivedies or chaturvedies just > by> > > name> > > > > in> > > > > > actual also they r vedies .> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > if u want to ban me u ,i welcome it and that is always a> > > conveneint> > > > > > measure too .But i promise u if u provoke me i will defently> > > > > provoke u> > > > > > too ,yes offcource u can ban me and avoid me> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > but tel me why u ppl systematicaly invited astrologers and > when> > > > > ever> > > > > > they r trying to discuss some thing ( even most of them r > non> > > > > > professional too and hobbyists ) u ppl come in packs or > fake ids> > > > > and> > > > > > attacks and humiliates> > > > > >> > > > > > after i read u for for months and then only i took this > stand .> > > (of> > > > > > cource not in this grp ),so after seeing ur last mail on VA > grp> > > i> > > > > > decided to join u .No need to scract ur head how i came here> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > so welcome let us proov its humbug ( wheter correct > prediction> > > on> > > > > wrong> > > > > > data as AKK JI used to say ) as ur idea of science always > says> > > > > > discard real proofs .> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > the idol of muruga in palani temple (kartik ) is made of 9 > kind> > > of> > > > > > chemicals and it is known as nava pashana ( 9 poison idol )> > > > > moorthy too> > > > > > ,and for generation many used the panchamrit after doing> > > abhishekam> > > > > and> > > > > > cured lot of diseases ,now the idol strted wear and tear > and we> > > > > lost the> > > > > > technic of making such idol with this methods ( it is in > sidha> > > > > medicine> > > > > > which is created by rishi agastrya and his 18 disciple' s-> who> > > was> > > > > father> > > > > > of astrology in south and gaurdian rishi of south ) Now u > and> > > AKK> > > > > will> > > > > > call him also charlatan and who fall for maya the > mlecha ,were> > > as> > > > > his> > > > > > periods are much much b4 them ,so after hearing all > this .And u> > > > > expect> > > > > > ppl like me shud use good language and show decency to> > > u .without u> > > > > ppl> > > > > > not prooving anything .It is not my duty to search and > inform or> > > > > teach u> > > > > > ppl ,u search and proove me so thing will b easy for u as u > got> > > > > enough> > > > > > funds and me i need only 5 minits to answer u ( good idea> > > right ??)> > > > > as u> > > > > > r here to proove vedic astrology is humbug .so r u ready ??> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > do u think AKK is only vedic scholar or did he reserch only > for> > > > > > astrology in vedas ?? i even said i am ready to discuss it > but> > > > > after u> > > > > > find astro is working or not working according vedic methods> > > > > then we> > > > > > can discuss ur those 2 mails daily appearing and i am > seeing in> > > > > various> > > > > > grps .> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > u said u r inviting astrologers -but u r inviting in diffrnt> > > way -> > > > > did u> > > > > > ever said u r mail that it is for this kind of > discussion ,so> > > first> > > > > u> > > > > > shown u dont need any respect and then preaching to me of my> > > > > language> > > > > > .did all ur ids like jyothishi2001( WHY U USE THIS KIND OF > ID> > > IF U> > > > > > FIND ASTRO IS NOT WORKING AND WANT TO PROOV IT IS WRONG ) > etc> > > > > what it> > > > > > means ,if u find astrology not working u can say ,or even> > > conduct> > > > > > harthal or dharna ,i hav no problem ,but dont invite some > poor> > > ppl> > > > > who> > > > > > r trying to help in grps and u r systematicaly abusing them> > > with a> > > > > set> > > > > > of questions as u r well planned and they r not .Many of > them> > > > > learned it> > > > > > even self only prediction part and using as hobby without> > > charging> > > > > one> > > > > > rs> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > i know Mr krishna for long time he never used astrology for> > > > > cheating any> > > > > > one -he got enough money for his rest of life as he was an > IT> > > > > computer> > > > > > engineer who worked in many forgien countries and when he > said> > > abt> > > > > some> > > > > > reserch u ppl abused and provoked him as if even he done > reserh> > > on> > > > > > drandruf ,is this is decent way of answering ??> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > when sri LY rao ( i know him as old gentle man in Kp grps > tho i> > > hav> > > > > > memebrships in kp grps i dont try KP till today ) he said > abt> > > his> > > > > > prashna exprnces which is used for a short duration of a > day ,u> > > > > abused> > > > > > him ,like --is all ruling planets show this . is this is the> > > way u> > > > > call> > > > > > scienific or decency .is this is the way to discuss in a> > > civilised> > > > > way> > > > > > as u says ??? why dont u test it in reality ??with him than> > > abusing> > > > > > which u ppl find is very easy and call urself > scientific ???????> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > even when ever i post i am getting reply on some unimportant> > > lines> > > > > in> > > > > > mail .just extract convent part and replies ,because u r > idea is> > > > > > diffrnt .So i openly write it as i hav also right to use my > own> > > > > > inteligence and tell the truth of ur missions .> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > .even if i proove vedas has astrology if it is not useful in> > > day to> > > > > day> > > > > > life then what is the use ,and again u ppl will come for > kutarka> > > > > again> > > > > > ,so to save time i designed this challenge for u .first i > will> > > > > prove its> > > > > > application then digging of vedas we can strt .By the time i> > > will> > > > > get> > > > > > enough time as i will b in north india for a yr min as one > more> > > > > centre> > > > > > is opening> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > now iam typing in between session s and i hav to wash and > clean> > > my> > > > > hand> > > > > > as i am using medicated oil in treatment s so to touch> > > > > computers ,some> > > > > > oils are too sticky too .i hav to hav time ,so pls avoid > this> > > > > kutarka> > > > > > line with me as i will feel i am being used as tool for ur> > > secret> > > > > > missions ,then i cannot control myself as our business needs> > > lot of> > > > > > satwik energy .In other words i am not sitting 24 hrs for u > in> > > > > computer.> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > hope u understand me and pls let us go ahed or ban me as it > is> > > > > > convenient ,the choice is urs .> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > be short,sweet and crisp .giv respect and take respect this> > > includes> > > > > > other time u r using in the pretext of searching for > scietific> > > base> > > > > also> > > > > > .> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > thanks for time .> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > regrds vijaya raghavan> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > , "sanat2221"> > > > > > <sanatkumar_jain@> wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Dear Raghvan ji,> > > > > > > Namaskar,> > > > > > > First of all sorry for my msg of 2-10-8, which was in> > > response to> > > > > > > your first msg. dated 30-9-08 (which was also your date of> > > > > joining in> > > > > > > this forum). In my reply I was confused as to who is the> > > writer,> > > > > > > because you have neither mentioned your name in the > membership> > > > > menu> > > > > > > nor in the msg. nor you bothered to introduce your-self. > So> > > it is> > > > > a> > > > > > > matter of wrong identity. Thus you can very well eliminate> > > > > irrelevant> > > > > > > matter from my msg. of 2-10-8.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > I will not offer any reply on your abusive language, > because> > > this> > > > > > > forum is meant for academic discussion and I will not > allow> > > it to> > > > > > > turn in to the fight of street dogs. I have no objection > for> > > your> > > > > > > staying more then a weak >>>>> i will stay in grp for one > week> > > > > > > more.<<<<< but you have to behave properly. I think we > have no> > > > > > > previous discussion on the matter hence I am unable to > answer> > > any> > > > > > > irrelevant point. Sh AK Kaul ji has correctly replied your> > > msg.> > > > > and> > > > > > > thereafter I have nothing to say.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Be careful in writing, limit your writings to astrological> > > > > > > principles, behave properly, it is my first and last > warning.> > > > > > > Otherwise, next time I will terminate your membership. I > am> > > > > watching> > > > > > > your msg. Try to learn, how to write a msg. from the msgs > of> > > Sh.> > > > > > > Prabhakar ji. Difference of opinion is one thing. I always> > > welcome> > > > > > > such difference. Rather I am continuously inviting> > > astrologers,> > > > > not> > > > > > > for supporting me but to have proper interaction on > various> > > points> > > > > > > related to predictive astrology. But abusive language is> > > different> > > > > > > and can never be allowed during serious interactions.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Thanks,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Yours truly,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Sanat> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > , "lion_draco1983"> > > > > > > lion_draco1983@ wrote:> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > dear sanat or who ever u r ( because i dont know ur new> > > > > christain> > > > > > > name )> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > u r dancing around ,i posted everything clearly ,it was > a> > > post> > > > > frm> > > > > > > vedic> > > > > > > > astrology grp where u r also a memebr and i said i can > see> > > > > clearly> > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > problems in his chart .> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > so dont dance around ,i know u did understand ,u say u r> > > only> > > > > > > scientific> > > > > > > > ,but now i am sure abt ur intention s bharath shud loose> > > this> > > > > > > skills and> > > > > > > > u ppl can get a run over on hindus that is all ,why u > negete> > > > > > > > prathyaksha anubhva ???is it scientific> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > i stick with my challenge to u on my own way as i am> > > interested> > > > > > > only in> > > > > > > > results than simple howling like a dog .> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > so be ready or say u r finsihed .> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > i dont need ur fees by god s grace .i am rich than wat u> > > think> > > > > > > after 2> > > > > > > > generation of humiliation frm u ppl .and our generation > is> > > doing> > > > > > > good> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > pls re reAD my mails .> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > i dont hav time to argue or even type ,if u ready inform> > > me ,i> > > > > will> > > > > > > stay> > > > > > > > in grp for one week more.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > if u r ready u will b cleared of ur ignorence ( self> > > imposed or> > > > > > > > finnced by some lobbies )> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > regrds vijaya raghavan> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > , "sanat2221"> > > > > > > > <sanatkumar_jain@> wrote:> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Dear divyesh ji,> > > > > > > > > Namaskar,> > > > > > > > > Thanks for your msgs.> > > > > > > > > Though I do not want to reply your msg. because I am > not> > > > > doing any> > > > > > > > > prediction. But your both msgs are contradicting > where in> > > your> > > > > > > first> > > > > > > > > msg you have highlighted your problems and about > spending> > > lot> > > > > of> > > > > > > > > money on astrologers; and in 2nd msg you are saying > that> > > > > >>>>>i am> > > > > > > > > not the queriest nor looking for any predictions. i > was> > > asking> > > > > > > akk ji> > > > > > > > > and sanat ji who says they hav good command over vedic> > > > > astrology> > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > now says it is not in veda ,uapanishats or puranas > and it> > > is> > > > > > > > > humbug<<<<<<. So first of all please let me know in > which> > > msg> > > > > or> > > > > > > in> > > > > > > > > which forum I claimed that I have a good command over> > > Vedic> > > > > > > astrology> > > > > > > > > (for doing any prediction except for discussion). You > can> > > > > imagine> > > > > > > > > that when I am studying astrology since last +35 > years and> > > > > written> > > > > > > > > two original books than definitely I may be some what > well> > > > > aware,> > > > > > > but> > > > > > > > > I have never exploited with any Vaak Patuta > (communication> > > > > skill)> > > > > > > or> > > > > > > > > by negative prediction or remedy circus and so on. > When I> > > am> > > > > > > saying> > > > > > > > > that it is not in Ved it means something. If you, or > your> > > > > > > astrologer> > > > > > > > > or friends have some patience (other then their > business> > > > > interest)> > > > > > > > > then they can discuss it.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > So far your problem is concerned; I will like to say > that> > > you> > > > > may> > > > > > > > > continue to loose your money as long as you have > money to> > > > > fill the> > > > > > > > > stomach of astrologers. No body on Earth can help you > so> > > long> > > > > you> > > > > > > > > have no wisdom to analyze a problem. Remember, > problem it-> > > > > self is> > > > > > > not> > > > > > > > > problem, it is our inability to find the proper > solution.> > > > > Planets> > > > > > > > > have nothing to do with your wife or your problem. So> > > either> > > > > you> > > > > > > must> > > > > > > > > know the bottom side story or you may wander from one> > > > > astrologer> > > > > > > to> > > > > > > > > another. When one astrologer will suggest some remedy> > > another> > > > > will> > > > > > > > > suggest some another remedy. So continue with this > remedy> > > > > circus.> > > > > > > In> > > > > > > > > my opinion you are in need of a family counselor. > However,> > > > > you may> > > > > > > > > continue to take advice, whatever you think may be> > > beneficial> > > > > to> > > > > > > you.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Regarding >>>>> and i can see problems clearly in his> > > chart> > > > > other> > > > > > > > > wise i am fed up with same mails of both of them all > astro> > > > > > > > > forums<<<<<<< I will like to say that where you find > my> > > chart> > > > > and> > > > > > > I> > > > > > > > > have neither asked you for my problem neither in this> > > forum> > > > > nor in> > > > > > > > > any other forum, otherwise like Sh Harish JI, you will> > > also> > > > > ask> > > > > > > for> > > > > > > > > fee. So far same msg is concerned, what can be done if> > > every> > > > > > > member> > > > > > > > > like to have discussion from the very beginning and> > > > > conveniently> > > > > > > > > observe silence just to show his greatness (but they > are> > > more> > > > > > > > > interested in their business). I can only suggest and> > > request> > > > > that> > > > > > > > > whenever you see my msg. you can simply skip it. OK.> > > However,> > > > > I> > > > > > > find> > > > > > > > > that you have just joined our forum. So I am unable to> > > > > understand> > > > > > > > > your observations.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Hope to read your msg. regularly.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Thanks,> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Yours truly,> > > > > > > > > Sanat> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > --- In> > > , "lion_draco1983"> > > > > > > > > lion_draco1983@ wrote:> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > dear kaul ji and sanat ji> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > pls dee this chart according to vedic astrology and > giv> > > us> > > > > ur> > > > > > > > > comments> > > > > > > > > > .let us get back to exprnce of a person than > excavating> > > for> > > > > so> > > > > > > > > called> > > > > > > > > > proofs as a culture which has gone tru various > turmoil> > > need> > > > > not> > > > > > > hav> > > > > > > > > all> > > > > > > > > > supporting documents .> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Now i am a student ( means not regular but arm > chair )> > > of> > > > > > > > > astrology .> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > see his moon dasa and see his debilated venus and > its> > > > > aspect on> > > > > > > dasa> > > > > > > > > > Lord and his life exprnce> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > here is the post .> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > dear sir/madam> > > > > > > > > > PLEASE DO NOT GET OFFENDED AS I HAVE POSTED MY > PROBLEM> > > ON> > > > > HERE> > > > > > > > > BEFORE, I> > > > > > > > > > DO NOT> > > > > > > > > > MEAN ANY KIND OF OFFENCE OR AM I SAYING THAT PEOPLE > WHO> > > HAVE> > > > > > > > > ADVISED ME> > > > > > > > > > BEFORE> > > > > > > > > > ARE WRONG OR NOT GENUINE, SOME OF YOU ARE RIGHT, > BUT MY> > > > > PLIGHT> > > > > > > IS> > > > > > > > > STILL> > > > > > > > > > THERE,> > > > > > > > > > AND I REPOST OUT OF FRUSTRATION.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > i have contact many dozens of astrologers, in the > last> > > few> > > > > > > months> > > > > > > > > > because, my> > > > > > > > > > life is a still mess, i have lost my job, my > marriage> > > has> > > > > been a> > > > > > > > > mess> > > > > > > > > > and me and> > > > > > > > > > my wife dont talk and have not slept in the same> > > bedroom for> > > > > > > over> > > > > > > > > 10yrs,> > > > > > > > > > we are> > > > > > > > > > only together for sake of kids.,> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > i know abt my mahadasa and antradasa etc, but i > still> > > > > believe> > > > > > > > > things can> > > > > > > > > > be done> > > > > > > > > > here and now.> > > > > > > > > > all astrologers have told me so many different > things, i> > > > > have> > > > > > > paid> > > > > > > > > so> > > > > > > > > > much> > > > > > > > > > money,(in total i must of paid at least 3500pounds > in> > > the> > > > > last> > > > > > > > > 12months> > > > > > > > > > in> > > > > > > > > > poojas, yagnas and chart readings and advice alone).> > > yet i> > > > > am no> > > > > > > > > better> > > > > > > > > > off in> > > > > > > > > > any respect,> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Â i have done many prayers to all sorts of planets> > and> > > > gods,> > > > > > i> > > > > > > > have> > > > > > > > > > been told to> > > > > > > > > > spend more money on gemstones which vary from blue> > > > > sapphire, red> > > > > > > > > coral,> > > > > > > > > > pearl,> > > > > > > > > > emerald, and diamond,, i have been told such things > as> > > > > shani or> > > > > > > > > rahu, or> > > > > > > > > > ketu,> > > > > > > > > > or sun or moon or jupiter or venus is affecting me,> > > > > > > > > > or to pay to have more poojas and yagnas done, i > have> > > been> > > > > told> > > > > > > > > that i> > > > > > > > > > have been> > > > > > > > > > cursed, blackmagic, pitru curse, naag(cobra) curse, > and> > > many> > > > > > > more> > > > > > > > > other> > > > > > > > > > things,> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > i have been told that i should pray to my weaker> > > (malefic)> > > > > > > planets to> > > > > > > > > > make them> > > > > > > > > > stronger, or that i should NOT pray to my weaker> > > (malefic)> > > > > > > planets,> > > > > > > > > as> > > > > > > > > > praying to> > > > > > > > > > them will cause more harm as i am making them > stronger> > > to> > > > > harm> > > > > > > me> > > > > > > > > more,> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > or that i should pray to my benefic planets to make > them> > > > > even> > > > > > > > > stronger,> > > > > > > > > > or that> > > > > > > > > > i should NOT pray to them as they are stronger > anyway.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > I know there are many systems of looking at > charts!!!> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > i just need help, and the astrologer who help me > sort my> > > > > > > problems,> > > > > > > > > will> > > > > > > > > > see a> > > > > > > > > > share of my gains, as i will need guidance all my > life.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Also should an astrologer/priest get paid before any> > > > > results are> > > > > > > > > > shown??? its> > > > > > > > > > like paying a doctor before he has given you > medicine> > > which> > > > > > > works,> > > > > > > > > its> > > > > > > > > > like> > > > > > > > > > paying for machine to be repaired before you know it> > > can be> > > > > > > > > repaired, or> > > > > > > > > > if the> > > > > > > > > > engineer has repaired it properly at all.(if you > know> > > what i> > > > > > > mean)> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > name divyesh parekh> > > > > > > > > > tob 18.28pm> > > > > > > > > > place mumbai india> > > > > > > > > > date 17th aug 1965> > > > > > > > > > been living in the uk since 1967> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > wifes name kamlash parekh> > > > > > > > > > tob 2200pm> > > > > > > > > > place birmingham, UK> > > > > > > > > > date 28 feb 1968> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > i want to truly know how to become wealthy and > happy in> > > my> > > > > > > > > marriage. I> > > > > > > > > > do> > > > > > > > > > believe a good astrologer/priest can tell me how to> > > achieve> > > > > all> > > > > > > > > this,> > > > > > > > > > even if my> > > > > > > > > > charts do not show it now, its just knowing the > right> > > > > mantra,> > > > > > > right> > > > > > > > > > gemstone,> > > > > > > > > > right offering etc. thru the power of faith and > prayer> > > > > nothing> > > > > > > is> > > > > > > > > > impossible. no> > > > > > > > > > matter what the charts say. its about having belief > and> > > > > > > commitment.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Â we also live in a materialistic world and even god> > > > knows> > > > > > that> > > > > > > i> > > > > > > > > > have> > > > > > > > > > responsibilities to my family etc, so i cant spend> > > 15hours> > > > > a day> > > > > > > > > praying> > > > > > > > > > or> > > > > > > > > > spend all my money on poojas, yagnas etc.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > When i was young i knew a priest who could achieve> > > > > anything,Â> > > > > > > but> > > > > > > > > he> > > > > > > > > > has died> > > > > > > > > > many years ago,(he never asked for a penny) i saw > him> > > work> > > > > > > miracles> > > > > > > > > > myself, my> > > > > > > > > > parents told me he was favoured by maa kali. and i > have> > > > > always> > > > > > > said> > > > > > > > > that> > > > > > > > > > there> > > > > > > > > > must be another person like him on this planet,> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > i have been to many holy places like haridwar,> > > trirupati,> > > > > and> > > > > > > > > gayagi,> > > > > > > > > > and many> > > > > > > > > > more. but have only empty promises or con men.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > My faith in god will never be questioned. shiva, > vishnu,> > > > > brahma> > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > maa> > > > > > > > > > shakti,> > > > > > > > > > and i will always believe in god, i will do my > prayers> > > till> > > > > i> > > > > > > die,> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > again apologies sincerely i do not wish to offend, > but i> > > > > seek> > > > > > > that> > > > > > > > > one> > > > > > > > > > true> > > > > > > > > > person for me,(maybe my future guru)> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > regards> > > > > > > > > > divyesh> > > > > > > > > > vedic-> > > astrology/message/105854> > > > > > > > > > <vedic-> > > > > astrology/message/105854>> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > regrds VR> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> >>

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dear sanat> > > > > > > > sure this time also u make me smile by ur twisted logics and i > enjoyed> > it [] as all public is seeing u clay feet [] and futility of > ur> > claims as when ever i bring the point tru various exmples u r > brushing> > aside as it is not predictive astrology where as u dont hav real > courage> > to touch any charts .> > > > > > > > u r cheating ur self ,i strted with a common tread that i will > show> > first efficacy of astrology (offcource u will show me where classics> > failed ) and i will take charts frm only published list ( not > created by> > me ) ,and then we can even do a public gathering ( again ur putting> > advtment and inviting ppl ) and accept their charts .Again i told u > u> > can use ur missionary frnds to see the efficacy for a span of 1 yr > as we> > need to close this challenge also .( here where is confusion ) > again we> > r not accepting any money or even gift for all this game ,so where > is> > the cheating as u said ??> > > > > > > > how astrology formed or how sani got its name all such discussion s > we> > can do later as i blv in showing efficacy first ( which u never> > acheived in ur so called +35 yrs into astrology and rest of ur life > into> > missionary activities ,where as simple 18 months in predictiv and > b4 in> > medical astrology ( not modern but old ) ) i know its > efficacy .even in> > ayurveda or other so many indian science we use .> > > > > > > > rest of ur mail u dont deserve an answer as it is designed to > twist> > logics and bring discussion to a sort of long long arguements ,u r > here> > doing arguements for the sake of arguemnt and not doing any > constructiv> > discussion as ur mission is diffrnt .> > > > > > > > what is the problem if u realy blv astro is non working science > and> > totaly baseless in accepting charts ,pls illuminate me> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > rgeds viajay raghavan . , "lion_draco1983" <lion_draco1983 wrote:>> > > > dear sanat> > think you have decided to always either sidetrack the issue or not> continuing a point to its logical end.> In my first para of the msg dated 9-10-8 I have clearly mentioned> "Yes, if you have some principle by which you can substantiate the> stomach or economy or child birth etc then come forward with that> principle." means horoscope with specific principles and specific> prediction (which I have already detailed). But for the sake of God> please remain within the frame of predictive astrology and do not try> to break my head with the Iron pillar of Delhi, which has nothing to> do with predictive astrology.> > Ans --first of all i asked u to proove ur claims ,but u think by taking> this discussion long and long can divert this discussion to ur area of> interest ,being a performing life science which i blv u must show me its> ineffiencey by showing me why it is not working offcource u shud not> twist classic guide lines to suit ur imaginations ,it is simply dry> arguements ,arguements for the favr of arguements with a evil mission> .which all will agree .> > > I used all those points u raised to show u r own dry arguements in> favr of science is like that or this ( which u also very well know why i> put all those points ) ,where as i asked u on the contrary to explain> ,use all dictums as it is already known to u as ur +35 yrs in exprnce> but ur interest is win ur arguemnts .And u want all secrets which some> acheive after long toil of study which depends on his good karma .even > u very well know that i am pointing to that only ,but some how u r> determined as influenced by some bad elemnts and money forces and> getting paid for it ,eager to twist all logics .> > (Our ''intellectual'' and fast approach to gain and explain everything> in a haste may not take us towrds Truth.> > The mind of tapaswi who is willing to wait for ages for every drop of> Truth may be blessed by HIM. May the HIM unfold himself within us.)Again> i know i am doing a futile exercise as u r allready determined and> adament like a judas who sold his guru for some shekkels ,but u shud> understand wat happened to him .so dont create akkaldamas in bharath> ,land of rishis .> > > > if we follow ur logic> > economics is shud b banned frm study> > phychology> > even history> > statistics> > even business analaysis> > share market analaysis and finance analalysis> > even all modern experiments etc etc to n number of knowledge branches .> > all medicinal capacities as u r saying they must answer u first to ur> twisted logics ( as nothing will pass ur kind of test and u can very> well take back society to dark ages ) (Again i expect u to say all this> is not astrology ( as a usual reply in every mails ) and same time u> will never accept my challenge and side track all ur discussions hoping> one day i will strt discussing ur way ,but i will never do it as i blv> it should b between guru and sisya and it is not for public domain )> Even remebr failed test of big bang theory recently .> > ha ha ,very unscientificaly scientific person or what ????> > > > So to qulify urself proov ur arguemnts first on live basis on working> ,living examples ,then i will explain to u all secrets ( as upadesa not> in public domain ) where as u dont desrve it as u nevr prooved ur> claims .> > > > so ur change shud come frm within than u waiste ur time on others ( who> has no missionary money and lot of other works ) to sell some books same> time accepting payment for selling own culture .> > I know Lord mechalay already said to u ppl ( in his speach in brit> parliament and letter s to queen ) if want to win hindus destroy their> culture first ,so u r following that agenda .> > > > but it is ur wish and will but will never happen so> > > > > > > > > > > , "sanat2221"> sanatkumar_jain@ wrote:> >> >> > Dear Raghvan ji,> > Namaskar,> > I think you have decided to always either sidetrack the issue or not> > continuing a point to its logical end.> > In my first para of the msg dated 9-10-8 I have clearly mentioned> > "Yes, if you have some principle by which you can substantiate the> > stomach or economy or child birth etc then come forward with that> > principle." means horoscope with specific principles and specific> > prediction (which I have already detailed). But for the sake of God> > please remain within the frame of predictive astrology and do not try> > to break my head with the Iron pillar of Delhi, which has nothing to> > do with predictive astrology.> >> > I think you are not reading the msg, which I have bifurcated in> > various points for proper linking and discussion. And you, yourself> > are not willing to pursue your points, then what I can do. OK as you> > please.> >> > Regarding> > >>>>>>what is the problem if u realy blv astro is non working science> > and> > totaly baseless in accepting charts ,<<<<<<> > I will like to say that I have already answered against your> > following narration in previous msg> > (((>>>>So now let us do in reality ,and see dictums with charts> > posted by individuals .Then i will explain all thing s …….all> city> > but cannot devlp it in one century .<<<<<<<<> > I have asked you some pinpointed principles, which we can apply on> > various horoscopes. So come forward with charts and supportive> > principles regarding fixed predictions as pointed out in my msg dated> > 6-10-8.)))> >> > So Please come forward with any chart (if you have not seen the> > report card of astrologers after a survey conducted by Sh Narlikar ji> > then may refer in file section)or any point or advise any silent> > astrologer to answer any point to continue the discussion, because> > you have already admitted that >>>>>>all other ur questions are> > backwas which is already explained in classics<<<<<<<. Hence you can> > go ahead with any chart and any principle which is not backwas and> > may not be in any classics.> >> > Waiting.> >> > Yours truly,> >> > Sanat> >> >> >> >> >> > , "lion_draco1983"> > lion_draco1983@ wrote:> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > dear sanat> > >> > >> > >> > > sure this time also u make me smile by ur twisted logics and i> > enjoyed> > > it [] as all public is seeing u clay feet [] and futility of> > ur> > > claims as when ever i bring the point tru various exmples u r> > brushing> > > aside as it is not predictive astrology where as u dont hav real> > courage> > > to touch any charts .> > >> > >> > >> > > u r cheating ur self ,i strted with a common tread that i will> > show> > > first efficacy of astrology (offcource u will show me where classics> > > failed ) and i will take charts frm only published list ( not> > created by> > > me ) ,and then we can even do a public gathering ( again ur putting> > > advtment and inviting ppl ) and accept their charts .Again i told u> > u> > > can use ur missionary frnds to see the efficacy for a span of 1 yr> > as we> > > need to close this challenge also .( here where is confusion )> > again we> > > r not accepting any money or even gift for all this game ,so where> > is> > > the cheating as u said ??> > >> > >> > >> > > how astrology formed or how sani got its name all such discussion s> > we> > > can do later as i blv in showing efficacy first ( which u never> > > acheived in ur so called +35 yrs into astrology and rest of ur life> > into> > > missionary activities ,where as simple 18 months in predictiv and> > b4 in> > > medical astrology ( not modern but old ) ) i know its> > efficacy .even in> > > ayurveda or other so many indian science we use .> > >> > >> > >> > > rest of ur mail u dont deserve an answer as it is designed to> > twist> > > logics and bring discussion to a sort of long long arguements ,u r> > here> > > doing arguements for the sake of arguemnt and not doing any> > constructiv> > > discussion as ur mission is diffrnt .> > >> > >> > >> > > what is the problem if u realy blv astro is non working science> > and> > > totaly baseless in accepting charts ,pls illuminate me> > >> > >> > >> > > wish u happy dassera and vijaya dasami .> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > rgeds viajay raghavan .> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > , "sanat2221"> > > <sanatkumar_jain@> wrote:> > > >> > > >> > > > Dear Raghvan ji,> > > > Namaskar,> > > > I think you have decided to always sidetrack the issue. This> > forum is> > > > discussing the predictive astrological principles and not ayurved> > or> > > > stomach or economy of America or your patient and so on. Yes, if> > you> > > > have some principle by which you can substantiate the stomach or> > > > economy or child birth etc then come forward with that principle.> > Try> > > > to be specific on questions, otherwise there is no sense in> > throwing> > > > the irrelevant sentences/para.> > > >> > > > You and every member must be clear that predictive astrology has> > > > nothing to do with Hindu religion. Even if you are bent upon to> > link> > > > the predictive astrology with religion then I can only feel sorry.> > > >> > > > Try to continue a point instead of leaving it unattended. So that> > any> > > > conclusion may be drawn. I always try to follow this.> > > >> > > > >>>>>u r asking some funny qestions ( still enjoying [] ) But> > all> > > > this question r ur readymade ones which i read many times b4 and> > > > fed up also and very unscientific and realy designed to push down> > > > matter under discussion knowing the facts well [] . []<<<<<<<> > > > Even you or so-called learner / expert astrologers are not> > replying> > > > despite repeating various readymade questions. What is the harm if> > > > you reply these readymade old questions or admit that you do not> > have> > > > answer then we can go ahead in some new direction. But point> > should> > > > be attended.> > > >> > > > >>>>can u teach me wat is science ……………. so> > > > better leav it ( many dies long long b4)<<<<<< We must focus on> > > > predictive astrology and do not try to divert the issue.> > > >> > > > >>>>So now let us do in reality ,and see dictums with charts> > posted> > > > by individuals .Then i will explain all thing s …….all city> but> > > > cannot devlp it in one century .<<<<<<<<> > > > I have asked you some pinpointed principles, which we can apply on> > > > various horoscopes. So come forward with charts and supportive> > > > principles regarding fixed predictions as pointed out in my msg> > dated> > > > 6-10-8.> > > >> > > > >>>>>>>one exmple in my life ,when ever i visits forign countries> > for> > > > long…………. may b in 100s who is travelling with me ??as i> travel> > > for> > > > pilgrimage too .<<<<<< So you may come out with any predictive> > > > principle. Your visit to foreign countries or pilgrimage has> > nothing> > > > to do with the correctness of predictive astrology.> > > >> > > > >>>>>>>>so stop dancing around and asking useless argements> > > ………..yrs> > > > proov in a mans life [:-$] .<<<<<> > > > Is it useless to ask as to what is Rahu Ketu. Is it useless to> > ask as> > > > to how sign were devised. Is it useless to ask as to how various> > > > principles of signlord, aspect, friendship, exalted, dasha etc.> > were> > > > formulated. And in your opinion it is only useful to misguide a> > > > simple innocent person by claiming that astrology is Vedic or> > > > astrology is science and exploiting the issue by linking it with> > > > religion, whereas Krishna himself said about Karm (Mahabharat was> > > > written by Ved Vyas who was son of Parashar. Then he can very well> > > > support his father and Krishna may say that take action according> > to> > > > planetary transit and so on………). Do not argue for the sake> of> > > > argument.> > > >> > > > >>>>>>i know astrology is not ayurveda but we r using same> > > > priciples……… kind of snake bite ) [O:)] .<<<<<<< When you> know> > > that> > > > Ayruved is not astrology then why are you wasting time and> > energy. Be> > > > specific on predictive astrology.> > > >> > > > >>>>>>first of all leav all this propaganda ( we know u r mission> > > > clearly ) or accept my challenge why cant u take it if u strongly> > blv> > > > it ?? [:-?]<<<<<<< Asking a pointed question when out of 180> > members> > > > almost 177 members may be on your side is not a propaganda. You> > > > should know that propaganda is done among like minded members as> > is> > > > being done in 99 % forums (Sh Kaul Ji what is your opinion? As you> > > > are member of many forums), where dissident voice is banned. It is> > > > your failure, which you are trying to coverup by using some> > > > irrelevant points (or some filthy language). How I can create a> > > > propaganda when more then 95% members may not agree with me or> > when> > > > I am inviting astrologers who may definitely be against me. But I> > am> > > > discussing with open mind and you are discussing with biased> > > > attitude. I am studying astrology since last +35 years and come> > out> > > > with two original books, on which every astrologer is silent. Why,> > > > because it is not propaganda but they are eye opener. You can also> > > > read these books in your spare time to know the bare truth.> > > >> > > > >>>>>>instead of classifying all predictions into diffrnt catagory> > > > with some english juggling words .which is written by some one> > > > else ?? [;]<<<<<<< It is all my narration. Spare some time and> > go> > > > through all my msgs. You must know that I have written two books> > and> > > > working on third book so I can very well express my views. And> > after> > > > writing two original research based books I have sufficient> > backup to> > > > question your skill and answer on various points being raised by> > > > astrologers to misguide a simple man. If you are interested to> > verify> > > > my statement then you can go through my book ("Jyotish Kitna Sahi> > > > Kitna Galat" in Hindi or "Astrology a science or myth" in English,> > > > whose front picture is signature picture of the forum.).> > > >> > > > >>>>>>all other ur questions are backwas which is already> > explained> > > > in classics ………… afrikan and indian is diffrnt in health> and> > > immunity> > > > and many other characteristics [;] .<<<<<<<< If my questions are> > > > backwas then why they have been explained in classics, Or you are> > > > saying that classics have answer on backwaas. If it (backwas) is> > > > already contained in classics then why you are not coming forward> > > > with answers instead of throwing your arguments here and there. I> > > > will like to suggest that you can take help of other forums and> > may> > > > ask your friends and learned / learner astrologers in this forum.> > I> > > > have no objection or you may take any point from my old> > > > blog "Astrology a science or myth" or from various SOA…………> > > files or> > > > msgs, which are pending because astrologers are not able to even> > > > support their stand or you may come forward on any point (but only> > > > astrology).> > > >> > > > >>>u know it very well but ur mission is diffrnt ,i remebr one> > lady in> > > > kerala died yesterday……….. 100 times more than this foreign> debt> > > > <<<<< It would have been more fruitful if any astrologer out of> > lakhs> > > > astrologer may have been warned about such incident instead of> > > > beating the bush.> > > >> > > > >>>>>>[(] , HA HA ,any way thanks for a nice evening<<<< Hope to> > > > have many more nice evening.> > > >> > > > >>>>>now u can strt accepting charts<<<<<<< You can go ahead in> > any> > > > direction because you may have no answer on my pointed issues.> > > > Otherwise continue our points to have some conclusion instead of> > > > diverting the issue. Even after some hot exchages we have not yet> > > > started any discussion on any astrological point. It shows your> > > > attitude towards a sincere discussion. When you are not prepared> > to> > > > think a fresh with open mind even after experiment of Sh Narlikar> > Ji> > > > then it is rather difficult to convince you on your off-shot> > comments.> > > >> > > > Remember that outcome of discussion is not going to terminate our> > > > existence or business. So be cool, logical, remain within> > framework.> > > > When I am prepared to think a fresh on any point if raised by any> > > > member (who are almost against my views) then why are you not> > > > prepared to have open mind when everybody is on your side and come> > > > forward with straight answer. And why are you loosing your temper,> > > > which is evident from your msgs. Remember it is academic> > discussion> > > > and not the fight for bread and butter.> > > >> > > > Thanks> > > >> > > > Yours truly,> > > > Sanat> > > >> > > > Members :> > > >> > > > Welcome to all new members. You may please take active part in> > open> > > > discussion.> > > >> > > > 1 Silent members may please come forward and share your views on> > > > either side. Membership of any member will not be terminated; so> > long> > > > you are using a good language irrespective of your stand.> > > >> > > > 2 Ms. Dipika Ji, you are not regular like Sh. AK Kaul ji. I hope> > you> > > > may be OK.> > > >> > > > 3 Sh. Prabhakar Ji, Nathani Ji may please come forward with your> > > > answers. I hope by now you may have searched the answers in> > > > Lalkitab / astrological book. Sh Nirmal Kumar Bhardwaj ji (or any> > > > other member), if you want then you can also pick up the point of> > Sh> > > > Prabhakar ji.> > > >> > > > 4 Sh. Ghopal Ji, we are waiting for your msg / views since long.> > > >> > > > 5 Sh. Deshmukh ji, please write your msg as soon as you feel> > healthy.> > > > Ask you son-in-law to meet me during his next visit to Gwalior. My> > > > ph. 0751-2626868 and residing in Dal Bazar.> > > >> > > > 6 Member with jyotishi2001@ ID, who joined the forum on 16-7-> > > > 8 may please come forward with your introduction. I do not know> > as to> > > > why you are concealing your identity. You must have courage to> > > > support your stand, and rest assure except filthy language every> > > > argument on either side is permitted in this forum. Remember, our> > > > failure to answer a question is the gateway for touching the> > truth.> > > > So do not afraid from any failure.> > > >> > > > 7 If any member has any question / answer/ views etc., on which> > you> > > > have some hesitation then you can directly write on my email> > > > sanatkumar_jain@> > > >> > > > 8 I am answering every msg serially having some question for me> > > > (within 2-3 days). If any member thinks that I have not answered> > his> > > > msg. then he can very well remind me.> > > >> > > > 9 Continue to invite your friends of other forums for having a> > > > vibrant discussion. Remember this is the only forum where you can> > > > analyze astrological principles without suppressing your views.> > > >> > > > 10 If members may have some useful astrological e-books, article,> > > > blog, views, news etc. then you may please upload them in file> > > > section for the benefit of members.> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > , "lion_draco1983"> > > > lion_draco1983@ wrote:> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > dear sanat ji .> > > > >> > > > > Namasakar to u too .> > > > >> > > > > Thanks for ur mail> > > > >> > > > > but i had lot of fun at ur expense i am asking u to proov in> > > > reality and> > > > > u r asking some funny qestions ( still enjoying [] )> > > > >> > > > > But all this question r ur readymade ones which i read many> > times> > > > b4 and> > > > > fed up also and very unscientific and realy designed to push> > down> > > > > matter under discussion knowing the facts well [] . []> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > can u teach me wat is science or is it some thing fixed> > one ,does> > > > all> > > > > this neo science hold in that yardstick> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > then why cant they proov delhi iron pillar is humb bug or real> > or> > > > super> > > > > ??after all this yrs ??> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > If so phycology /history /economics /.maangement studies /all> > > > other> > > > > ----- subjucts why some one shud study and practise [>] .> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > even ur science says 2 diffrnt thing at same breath []> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > some times says fat food givs heart attack and giving low fat> > food> > > > and> > > > > says again givs heart attacks [)] ( one example and i dont> > want> > > > to> > > > > spoil my time )> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > says exercise givs good life span ,can u show one olympian lived> > > > more> > > > > than 80 yrs ( may b one or 2 but i am asking u in general ) so> > all> > > > > sciences except mathematics will not hold water with ur> > theory ,so> > > > > better leav it ( many dies long long b4 )> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > So now let us do in reality ,and see dictums with charts posted> > by> > > > > individuals .Then i will explain all thing s with u other wise u> > > > dont> > > > > deserv it man ,same question i can ask to any one ,even to a> > > > doctor ,he> > > > > will say couple has no problem to conceiv and why not happening> > > > last 15> > > > > yrs he dont know .what will u say?? Modern medical science is> > > > humbug or> > > > > needs more time to devlp ?? or we shud trow baby with bucket and> > > > water> > > > > ???> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > i will never say it is 100 % working because of various reason> > like> > > > u r> > > > > favrite science tho u r very unscientific and dogamtic and with> > a> > > > evil> > > > > mission in mind ( also foreign funded as ur adamnce shows as u> > need> > > > to> > > > > proove to ur bosses ) and says and repeats same ready made> > > > answers .So> > > > > u embrace science as ur saviour as it is easy for u .like a> > > > mtchstick> > > > > can destroy all city but cannot devlp it in one century .> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > one exmple in my life ,when ever i visits forign countries for> > long> > > > > duration and come back i get water problem ,i drink water frm> > india> > > > my> > > > > stomach will b upset for 1 week ( there and here too i drink> > > > mineral> > > > > water only esp after visit for 3 weeks ) .then again while> > > > travelling> > > > > in india tho i am using mineral water ( long distance ) ,if i> > change> > > > > brand i will get stomach upset .how u explain by scince ,u can> > > > explain> > > > > as it is easy ,but why it is not happening to my wife ?? or> > > > frnds ?? or> > > > > others may b in 100s who is travelling with me ??as i travel for> > > > > pilgrimage too .> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > so stop dancing around and asking useless argements ,it is> > easy ,i> > > > wont> > > > > bite ur bait as u wanted to go on asking unnceesarry questions> > on a> > > > life> > > > > science and diverting real essence of it ,but intention is> > diffrnt> > > > and> > > > > also i hav to use my quality time diffrnt way ,u see whn i> > asked u> > > > > ayurvedic based question u run awy as u dont want to enter there> > > > > .because u know u will fail defenitly as it is also working> > science> > > > and> > > > > we can prove it in a months time in frnt of u even using> > > > astrological> > > > > theories ( i will tell u in adavnce what will happen on which> > > > nakshtra> > > > > days what will happen on eachnakshtra days based on same maya> > the> > > > > mlecha suryaisidhanta based stars which destroyed kashmere )> > where> > > > as> > > > > astro needs so many yrs proov in a mans life [:-$] .> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > i know astrology is not ayurveda but we r using same priciples> > but> > > > not> > > > > dasa or charts .even i find in old generation tru prashna they> > say> > > > which> > > > > serpent or snake bite the patient ,now antivenoms is applicable> > (> > > > and> > > > > stopped using that technics ) and those days needs diffrnt> > > > treatment for> > > > > each kind of snake bite So good physicians prepare medicine> > well in> > > > > advance means the moment party strted to meet the physician he> > will> > > > b> > > > > ready here with all facility (means asks his servants to make> > > > > preparations and medicns and will say such a patient will come> > with> > > > this> > > > > kind of snake bite ) [O:)] .> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > first of all leav all this propaganda ( we know u r mission> > > > clearly ) or> > > > > accept my challenge why cant u take it if u strongly blv it ??> > [:-?]> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > instead of classifying all predictions into diffrnt catagory> > with> > > > some> > > > > english juggling words .which is written by some one else ??> > [;]> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > even i said later we can use mass prediction s in some maidan to> > > > ppl> > > > > invited by a new paper advtment ,u and ur missionaries can> > follow> > > > it up> > > > > and we will keep the copy that is all .( only predictions with> > one> > > > yr> > > > > long ranging effect as it is easy )> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > all other ur questions are backwas which is already explained in> > > > > classics to use kala desa ,patra ,kula ,gotra and paristithy as> > it> > > > is> > > > > used as helping science than a fatal science .even modern> > science> > > > also> > > > > uses this as an afrikan and indian is diffrnt in health and> > > > immunity> > > > > and many other characteristics [;] .> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > u know it very well but ur mission is diffrnt ,i remebr one> > lady in> > > > > kerala died yestrday after 36 yrs in coma after emplyed some> > > > sedativs (> > > > > how u justify it if science working linearly why it affect her> > than> > > > > helping her )> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > if so why america failed economicaly with 56 trillion dolars> > > > foreign> > > > > debt and trying cover it ( i dont think astrologers and maya the> > > > mlecha> > > > > influenced them ) and going to fail in big way why any of ur neo> > > > > science helped them than do another war and grab others money> > and> > > > > natural resources ( u r also trying to do it as u r inflenced by> > > > such> > > > > forces but another way ) even according ur style of arguement if> > > > richest> > > > > country in world has this much debts then poor countries has 20> > or> > > > 100> > > > > times more than this foreign debt [(] , HA HA ,any way> > > > thanks for> > > > > a nice evening> > > > >> > > > > now u can strt accepting charts> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > regrds vijaya raghavan> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > , "sanat2221"> > > > > <sanatkumar_jain@> wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > Dear Raghvan ji,> > > > > > Namaskar,> > > > > > <<<<<<I dont understand still what u mean by scientific>>>>>,> > it> > > > > > means that if you are of the opinion that predictive> > astrology is> > > > > > science (science means, which can be proved, which can be> > repeated> > > > > > and there may not be any ambiguity). Thus if pred. astrology> > is> > > > > > science then you or any one must be aware as to how> > astrological> > > > > > principles were formulated, what is Rahu Ketu, what is the> > affect> > > > of> > > > > > planet and so on (refer "astrology a science or myth" in file> > > > section> > > > > > for offering your comments. Only a firm belief without> > scientific> > > > > > support can not be regarded as science.> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > Actually prediction may be broadly classified in the following> > > > > > categories.> > > > > >> > > > > > 1. Postmortem prediction – Any past event or present> situation> > > is> > > > > > concluded by any principle like aspect, dasha, saptmansha,> > navansh> > > > > > etc., transit position of planets, by changing time of birth> > > > > …………….> > > > > > and so on. Thus individual is always in the impression that> > his> > > > > > past/present is covered by astrology hence astrology is> > correct.> > > > > >> > > > > > 2 . Psychological prediction – Narration of situation is> > > predicted> > > > > in> > > > > > a way, which appears correct due to psychological affect on> > mind.> > > > > > Like "you are presently passing through some problem". It is> > > > evident> > > > > > that when a person is visiting an astrologer then definitely> > he> > > > must> > > > > > be in trouble. But by saying so, astrologer touch the> > weakness of> > > > > > individual and any person will start to narrate his problem> > like a> > > > > > parrot. In between dialogue of the astrologer implant a> > > > psychological> > > > > > affect, which appears correct.> > > > > >> > > > > > 3 Remedial prediction – Astrologer try to convince an> > > individual> > > > > > that there is some problem in achieving success or in> > solution of> > > > any> > > > > > problem but it can only be avoided by wearing some gem,> > offering> > > > > > etc., vastu, fengsui etc. (in which astrologer is directly> > > > involved> > > > > > thorough commission or so), or guide to do some offering> > > > privately,> > > > > > prey to his god (in which astrologer is not directly involved> > but> > > > he> > > > > > gain confidence of the client), which in turn may bring other> > > > client> > > > > > for extracting money. Thus if client succeed then he will> > > > permanently> > > > > > fall in the lap of astrologer and in case of failure> > astrologer> > > > will> > > > > > convince him that he has already warned for some problem and> > > > remedy> > > > > > was little affective due to higher side of negative affect of> > > > planets.> > > > > >> > > > > > 4. Situational prediction – Some party, team etc. may win,> > > heavy> > > > > > rain, summer, winter etc., this has nothing to do with> > astrology> > > > but> > > > > > very affective in winning the confidence of local residents.> > Some> > > > > > time they take help of proverb but individual is not able to> > > > realize> > > > > > that any planetary position socalled responsible for rain,> > summer> > > > > > etc. is applicable to entire Earth. Thus rain may be on entire> > > > Earth> > > > > > and so on.> > > > > >> > > > > > 5 Fluke prediction – Like at the age of 1 or 2, any> prediction> > > > > that> > > > > > individual may be doctor etc., Such prediction is affective to> > > > lure> > > > > > the parents and astrologer may get benefit. If in fluke he> > become> > > > > > doctor then astrologer will get publicity.> > > > > >> > > > > > 6 Fixed predictions – This is the actual prediction based> on> > > some> > > > > > principle. This is actually the signboard of astrologer but> > they> > > > can> > > > > > never predict any event except narrating some past stories to> > get> > > > > > confidence of individual.> > > > > >> > > > > > Thus astrologer can never predict as> > > > > > 1 any horoscope belongs to Male or Female, because sex has> > very> > > > vital> > > > > > role in the life of some one (through out the world and in all> > > > > > religion), and it affect whole sequence of event.> > > > > > 2 When he will be married or just have sexual relationship. Do> > > > planet> > > > > > knows that it is marriage and it is sexual relationship> > without> > > > > > marriage?> > > > > > 3 How many marriages. Because in India we have mostly only one> > > > > > marriage and one partner for sexual relationship, where as> > Muslim> > > > > > countries have mostly more then one marriages at a time and> > > > western> > > > > > countries may mostly have more then one marriage (one by one)> > at a> > > > > > time but mostly have many partner for sexual relationship. So> > how> > > > any> > > > > > planet who is responsible for marriage know and affect as to> > who> > > > may> > > > > > have to lead with one wife, who may with more wives and who> > may> > > > have> > > > > > one by one many wives.> > > > > > 4 How many childrens (male or female) and when. How planet> > > > > > differentiate that a tribal man or osama may have more> > children> > > > then> > > > > > most of the persons of the world.> > > > > > 5 About his Education, profession, Finance and ofcourse about> > his> > > > > > death.> > > > > >> > > > > > Will you please intimate at least One or more principle which> > in> > > > your> > > > > > opinion is correct. But remember result must be absolute and> > not> > > > > > vague or with psychological mixing. I mean to say that you may> > > > > > intimate any principle by which you can predict above points.> > > > > >> > > > > > Do have any definite principle or you have a set of principles> > > > like> > > > > > 1- So and so time is not good or good. Now such predictions> > are> > > > not> > > > > > predictions at all. Because how a time may be bad, when your> > body> > > > is> > > > > > intact, your house is intact, your family is intact, your> > > > education> > > > > > is intact. But such sentence can only lead any person to> > magnify> > > > his> > > > > > problem and may confirm that his time is bad.> > > > > > 2- You are not getting according to your knowledge. Now every> > > > person> > > > > > is not satisfied with, what he has. So he may just confirm.> > This> > > > is> > > > > > only psychology.> > > > > > Thus all I repeat all predictions are psychological or if not> > then> > > > > > they are randomly correct, which has noting to do with> > science or> > > > > > ved, and when a result of some principle is not repeated then> > how> > > > you> > > > > > can say that it is prediction and it is science.> > > > > >> > > > > > We are discussing predictive astrology and not ayurvedic> > > > treatment.> > > > > > If ayurvedic treatment is right that what it has to do with> > the> > > > > > principle of predictive astrology. Even Arya samaj who is main> > > > > > supporter of Ved, admit that ved has nothing to do with> > predictive> > > > > > astrology.> > > > > >> > > > > > Regarding >>>>) u ppl come in packs or fake ids and attacks> > and> > > > > > humiliates<<<<<<and >>>>>> after i read u for for> > months<<<<<<< I> > > > > > must clear that neither I have fake ID nor I am writing in> > other> > > > > > forum except invitation to my forum. Thus I am even not> > reading> > > > as to> > > > > > which msg is being passed on to other forums, so forget for> > > > replying.> > > > > > I have even no time to write individual msgs and thus to cut> > > > short I> > > > > > use PS and cover minor points for other members. Hence there> > is no> > > > > > need or use for such fake ID. There is no question of> > humiliation> > > > as> > > > > > I am putting very simple question derived from individual> > replies> > > > and> > > > > > I often suggest members to take help of other astrologer in> > other> > > > > > forum or personal friends. I encourage them to interact and> > > > suggest> > > > > > them to invite their friends. So where is the question of> > > > > > humiliation? Refer various SOA………. Files in file> section.> > > Where> > > > > you> > > > > > will find some interaction, so where is humiliation? I am not> > > > > > exposing in their forum so their business may not be harmed.> > Thus> > > > > > your contention is totally biased and unfounded.> > > > > >> > > > > > >>>>> ur ids like jyothishi2001>>>>, what a fun. It is not my> > ID.> > > > > > Except a welcome note of 20-7-8, I have not interacted with> > him. I> > > > > > even do not know his name etc.> > > > > >> > > > > > >>>>> problem ,but dont invite some poor ppl who r trying to> > help> > > > in> > > > > > grps and u r systematicaly abusing them with a set of> > questions> > > > as u> > > > > > r well planned and they r not .Many of them learned it even> > self> > > > only> > > > > > prediction part and using as hobby without charging one> > rs>>>>>>>> > > > I> > > > > > am only inviting those individuals who are either interested> > in> > > > > > astrology (may be learner or hobby etc.) or who are advising> > > > > > individuals (either free or for promoting their business, I> > am not> > > > > > concerned). And so long he is silently reading the msg., how> > can I> > > > > > ask him. There are more then +100 silent members. But when he> > says> > > > > > that it is vedic or science or his prediction is 100% correct> > > > then I> > > > > > am asking about the principles and systematic questions. So> > where> > > > is> > > > > > the humiliation? I have also asked from you. It is not> > > > humiliation;> > > > > > it is exchange of views. If he is learner and have some wrong> > idea> > > > > > about the predictive astrology then he must know the truth> > from> > > > his> > > > > > own logic. You must know that counter question is neither> > abusing> > > > nor> > > > > > humiliation. Moreover I am not concerned with an individual> > as to> > > > who> > > > > > is he, I am only concerned with principles of predictive> > > > astrology.> > > > > > That's I have also interacted with the members who have not> > > > disclosed> > > > > > their name etc. Because my mission is only to find the truth> > and> > > > to> > > > > > intimate the truth. Thus I always used to write at the end of> > the> > > > > > msg. that discussion is not personal but academic. And for the> > > > > > convenience compiled some interaction in various SOA…….> > > Files, so> > > > > he> > > > > > may pick any point of his choice.> > > > > >> > > > > > I hope this will clear the mind of many silent members too.> > > > > >> > > > > > I am not interested in banning any member like other forums.> > But> > > > > > definitely I will like to maintain decorum. I hope you will> > > > maintain> > > > > > the decorum and take part in discussion with your stand,> > instead> > > > of> > > > > > writing msg. without any substance for discussion. So far> > writing> > > > of> > > > > > Sh AK Kaul is concerned, I can say that he always maintain and> > > > like> > > > > > good language. He is very senior, learned, logical and active.> > > > Thus I> > > > > > will like to emphasize that inability of a member, to answer> > is> > > > not> > > > > > humiliation but it is a gateway for him to think a fresh, with> > > > open> > > > > > mind and ask such points in other forum / astrologers so that> > he> > > > may> > > > > > be mentally strong in either way and come forward with some> > > > logical,> > > > > > scientific reply. I have asked a very simple question as to> > what> > > > is> > > > > > Rahu Ketu and so on from some reputed astrologers. They are> > not> > > > > > replying and quitting the forum or are silent. Is it> > humiliation?> > > > We> > > > > > are just learning and teaching simultaneously. I hope you will> > > > > > continue.> > > > > >> > > > > > Thanks> > > > > >> > > > > > Yours truly,> > > > > > Sanat> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > PS:> > > > > > 1 Welcome to new members. They can take up any point for> > > > discussion.> > > > > >> > > > > > 2 Member with jyotishi2001@ ID, who joined the forum on 16-7-> > > > > > 8 may please come forward with his introduction. I do not> > know as> > > > to> > > > > > why he is concealing his identity. He must have courage to> > support> > > > > > his stand, and rest assure except filthy language every> > argument> > > > on> > > > > > either side is permitted in this forum.> > > > > >> > > > > > 3 Some members are not replying on pending points. I hope by> > now> > > > > > they have gathered the information in support of his stand.> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > , "lion_draco1983"> > > > > > lion_draco1983@ wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Mr .sanat> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > thanks for ur response and warning> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > I dont understand still what u mean by scientific as u not> > ready> > > > > > to> > > > > > > see any results on actual basis .now let me repeat .> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > i posted a chart 4 days back ( and till today u or sri AKK> > or> > > > > > none of> > > > > > > ur cronies never bothered to reply me ) and i will pick more> > > > charts> > > > > > frm> > > > > > > vedic astro grps ( as i hav memebrship in all prime grps> > and i> > > > will> > > > > > > quote even messge numbers and date for ur convenience )> > which is> > > > > > posted> > > > > > > by diffrnt ppl who came for predictions .so u can see all> > those> > > > > > charts> > > > > > > and tell me were it is not working since u said u r 35 yrs> > in> > > > > > astrology> > > > > > > and as u find it is not working and AKK ji was in astro> > since> > > > > > > generations and he also find it is not working and that is> > the> > > > > > reasons u> > > > > > > go to veda s and other literature and find that this is mass> > > > > > cheating> > > > > > > system .so proove me that first ( and u can check the where> > > > abts abt> > > > > > > queriests urself and satisfied then only u need to step into> > > > it .)> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > after considering various chart for a yr or let us fix a> > > > time ,see> > > > > > the> > > > > > > probablity and correctness ( even i will participate -> > simple 18> > > > > > months> > > > > > > exprnced man than ur tall claims ,may b into predictiv part> > of> > > > > > astro as> > > > > > > i find it is very well working in our treatments ,as i am an> > > > > > ayurvedic> > > > > > > by profession ) ,> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > kerala ayurvedic by generations and our ancesters suffered> > > > similar> > > > > > > queries ( insults ) to proov scientificaly . how oil applied> > > > over> > > > > > the> > > > > > > body is working for inside the body ??how it can cure> > > > epilepsy ??> > > > > > how it> > > > > > > can cure mental problems ,does any one is fool to think this> > > > herb we> > > > > > > find in street which cost u nothing ( those days ) can> > cure ,it> > > > is> > > > > > > humbug to devil worship etc etc ,and using coconut oil ( we> > r> > > > giving> > > > > > > upto 200ml of ghee daily in some treatments and after full> > > > cource is> > > > > > > finished no cholostrol u can find by modern methods -i mean> > un> > > > usual> > > > > > > --so what u proove ghee has fat or not ???) in medicine can> > > > kill u> > > > > > as it> > > > > > > has highest cholestol -those days medias and these kind of> > ppl (> > > > > > now u r> > > > > > > doing for diffrnt indian science ) and we dont hav any voice> > > > those> > > > > > as we> > > > > > > dont own any print media which was very power ful those> > days .)> > > > That> > > > > > was> > > > > > > another story and now all upside down with god grace .> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > I find u ppl hav diffrnt aim and it is viscible as u r not> > > > ready to> > > > > > > accept those challenge and want to divert the dicsussion to> > > > > > unlimited> > > > > > > vedas and proofs and it can only done by some one with no> > real> > > > job> > > > > > > ,where as i asked u systematicaly .let us first proov it it> > is> > > > > > humbug as> > > > > > > u claimed ,then we can conduct massive prediction s even in> > > > maidans> > > > > > > after ur ppl organised it and invite ppl frm all over one> > > > selected> > > > > > city> > > > > > > too.i will sent u good astrologers .Then once it is prooven> > > > then it> > > > > > > becomes my head ache to giv the proof in vedas after i test> > all> > > > ur> > > > > > > knowledge and worthiness.Beacuse real vedic scholars r> > coming to> > > > > > u .not> > > > > > > me .so ask them .they r not trivedies or chaturvedies just> > by> > > > name> > > > > > in> > > > > > > actual also they r vedies .> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > if u want to ban me u ,i welcome it and that is always a> > > > conveneint> > > > > > > measure too .But i promise u if u provoke me i will defently> > > > > > provoke u> > > > > > > too ,yes offcource u can ban me and avoid me> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > but tel me why u ppl systematicaly invited astrologers and> > when> > > > > > ever> > > > > > > they r trying to discuss some thing ( even most of them r> > non> > > > > > > professional too and hobbyists ) u ppl come in packs or> > fake ids> > > > > > and> > > > > > > attacks and humiliates> > > > > > >> > > > > > > after i read u for for months and then only i took this> > stand .> > > > (of> > > > > > > cource not in this grp ),so after seeing ur last mail on VA> > grp> > > > i> > > > > > > decided to join u .No need to scract ur head how i came here> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > so welcome let us proov its humbug ( wheter correct> > prediction> > > > on> > > > > > wrong> > > > > > > data as AKK JI used to say ) as ur idea of science always> > says> > > > > > > discard real proofs .> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > the idol of muruga in palani temple (kartik ) is made of 9> > kind> > > > of> > > > > > > chemicals and it is known as nava pashana ( 9 poison idol )> > > > > > moorthy too> > > > > > > ,and for generation many used the panchamrit after doing> > > > abhishekam> > > > > > and> > > > > > > cured lot of diseases ,now the idol strted wear and tear> > and we> > > > > > lost the> > > > > > > technic of making such idol with this methods ( it is in> > sidha> > > > > > medicine> > > > > > > which is created by rishi agastrya and his 18 disciple' s-> > who> > > > was> > > > > > father> > > > > > > of astrology in south and gaurdian rishi of south ) Now u> > and> > > > AKK> > > > > > will> > > > > > > call him also charlatan and who fall for maya the> > mlecha ,were> > > > as> > > > > > his> > > > > > > periods are much much b4 them ,so after hearing all> > this .And u> > > > > > expect> > > > > > > ppl like me shud use good language and show decency to> > > > u .without u> > > > > > ppl> > > > > > > not prooving anything .It is not my duty to search and> > inform or> > > > > > teach u> > > > > > > ppl ,u search and proove me so thing will b easy for u as u> > got> > > > > > enough> > > > > > > funds and me i need only 5 minits to answer u ( good idea> > > > right ??)> > > > > > as u> > > > > > > r here to proove vedic astrology is humbug .so r u ready ??> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > do u think AKK is only vedic scholar or did he reserch only> > for> > > > > > > astrology in vedas ?? i even said i am ready to discuss it> > but> > > > > > after u> > > > > > > find astro is working or not working according vedic methods> > > > > > then we> > > > > > > can discuss ur those 2 mails daily appearing and i am> > seeing in> > > > > > various> > > > > > > grps .> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > u said u r inviting astrologers -but u r inviting in diffrnt> > > > way -> > > > > > did u> > > > > > > ever said u r mail that it is for this kind of> > discussion ,so> > > > first> > > > > > u> > > > > > > shown u dont need any respect and then preaching to me of my> > > > > > language> > > > > > > .did all ur ids like jyothishi2001( WHY U USE THIS KIND OF> > ID> > > > IF U> > > > > > > FIND ASTRO IS NOT WORKING AND WANT TO PROOV IT IS WRONG )> > etc> > > > > > what it> > > > > > > means ,if u find astrology not working u can say ,or even> > > > conduct> > > > > > > harthal or dharna ,i hav no problem ,but dont invite some> > poor> > > > ppl> > > > > > who> > > > > > > r trying to help in grps and u r systematicaly abusing them> > > > with a> > > > > > set> > > > > > > of questions as u r well planned and they r not .Many of> > them> > > > > > learned it> > > > > > > even self only prediction part and using as hobby without> > > > charging> > > > > > one> > > > > > > rs> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > i know Mr krishna for long time he never used astrology for> > > > > > cheating any> > > > > > > one -he got enough money for his rest of life as he was an> > IT> > > > > > computer> > > > > > > engineer who worked in many forgien countries and when he> > said> > > > abt> > > > > > some> > > > > > > reserch u ppl abused and provoked him as if even he done> > reserh> > > > on> > > > > > > drandruf ,is this is decent way of answering ??> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > when sri LY rao ( i know him as old gentle man in Kp grps> > tho i> > > > hav> > > > > > > memebrships in kp grps i dont try KP till today ) he said> > abt> > > > his> > > > > > > prashna exprnces which is used for a short duration of a> > day ,u> > > > > > abused> > > > > > > him ,like --is all ruling planets show this . is this is the> > > > way u> > > > > > call> > > > > > > scienific or decency .is this is the way to discuss in a> > > > civilised> > > > > > way> > > > > > > as u says ??? why dont u test it in reality ??with him than> > > > abusing> > > > > > > which u ppl find is very easy and call urself> > scientific ???????> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > even when ever i post i am getting reply on some unimportant> > > > lines> > > > > > in> > > > > > > mail .just extract convent part and replies ,because u r> > idea is> > > > > > > diffrnt .So i openly write it as i hav also right to use my> > own> > > > > > > inteligence and tell the truth of ur missions .> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > .even if i proove vedas has astrology if it is not useful in> > > > day to> > > > > > day> > > > > > > life then what is the use ,and again u ppl will come for> > kutarka> > > > > > again> > > > > > > ,so to save time i designed this challenge for u .first i> > will> > > > > > prove its> > > > > > > application then digging of vedas we can strt .By the time i> > > > will> > > > > > get> > > > > > > enough time as i will b in north india for a yr min as one> > more> > > > > > centre> > > > > > > is opening> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > now iam typing in between session s and i hav to wash and> > clean> > > > my> > > > > > hand> > > > > > > as i am using medicated oil in treatment s so to touch> > > > > > computers ,some> > > > > > > oils are too sticky too .i hav to hav time ,so pls avoid> > this> > > > > > kutarka> > > > > > > line with me as i will feel i am being used as tool for ur> > > > secret> > > > > > > missions ,then i cannot control myself as our business needs> > > > lot of> > > > > > > satwik energy .In other words i am not sitting 24 hrs for u> > in> > > > > > computer.> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > hope u understand me and pls let us go ahed or ban me as it> > is> > > > > > > convenient ,the choice is urs .> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > be short,sweet and crisp .giv respect and take respect this> > > > includes> > > > > > > other time u r using in the pretext of searching for> > scietific> > > > base> > > > > > also> > > > > > > .> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > thanks for time .> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > regrds vijaya raghavan> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > , "sanat2221"> > > > > > > <sanatkumar_jain@> wrote:> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Dear Raghvan ji,> > > > > > > > Namaskar,> > > > > > > > First of all sorry for my msg of 2-10-8, which was in> > > > response to> > > > > > > > your first msg. dated 30-9-08 (which was also your date of> > > > > > joining in> > > > > > > > this forum). In my reply I was confused as to who is the> > > > writer,> > > > > > > > because you have neither mentioned your name in the> > membership> > > > > > menu> > > > > > > > nor in the msg. nor you bothered to introduce your-self.> > So> > > > it is> > > > > > a> > > > > > > > matter of wrong identity. Thus you can very well eliminate> > > > > > irrelevant> > > > > > > > matter from my msg. of 2-10-8.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > I will not offer any reply on your abusive language,> > because> > > > this> > > > > > > > forum is meant for academic discussion and I will not> > allow> > > > it to> > > > > > > > turn in to the fight of street dogs. I have no objection> > for> > > > your> > > > > > > > staying more then a weak >>>>> i will stay in grp for one> > week> > > > > > > > more.<<<<< but you have to behave properly. I think we> > have no> > > > > > > > previous discussion on the matter hence I am unable to> > answer> > > > any> > > > > > > > irrelevant point. Sh AK Kaul ji has correctly replied your> > > > msg.> > > > > > and> > > > > > > > thereafter I have nothing to say.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Be careful in writing, limit your writings to astrological> > > > > > > > principles, behave properly, it is my first and last> > warning.> > > > > > > > Otherwise, next time I will terminate your membership. I> > am> > > > > > watching> > > > > > > > your msg. Try to learn, how to write a msg. from the msgs> > of> > > > Sh.> > > > > > > > Prabhakar ji. Difference of opinion is one thing. I always> > > > welcome> > > > > > > > such difference. Rather I am continuously inviting> > > > astrologers,> > > > > > not> > > > > > > > for supporting me but to have proper interaction on> > various> > > > points> > > > > > > > related to predictive astrology. But abusive language is> > > > different> > > > > > > > and can never be allowed during serious interactions.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Thanks,> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Yours truly,> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Sanat> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > --- In> > , "lion_draco1983"> > > > > > > > lion_draco1983@ wrote:> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > dear sanat or who ever u r ( because i dont know ur new> > > > > > christain> > > > > > > > name )> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > u r dancing around ,i posted everything clearly ,it was> > a> > > > post> > > > > > frm> > > > > > > > vedic> > > > > > > > > astrology grp where u r also a memebr and i said i can> > see> > > > > > clearly> > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > problems in his chart .> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > so dont dance around ,i know u did understand ,u say u r> > > > only> > > > > > > > scientific> > > > > > > > > ,but now i am sure abt ur intention s bharath shud loose> > > > this> > > > > > > > skills and> > > > > > > > > u ppl can get a run over on hindus that is all ,why u> > negete> > > > > > > > > prathyaksha anubhva ???is it scientific> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > i stick with my challenge to u on my own way as i am> > > > interested> > > > > > > > only in> > > > > > > > > results than simple howling like a dog .> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > so be ready or say u r finsihed .> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > i dont need ur fees by god s grace .i am rich than wat u> > > > think> > > > > > > > after 2> > > > > > > > > generation of humiliation frm u ppl .and our generation> > is> > > > doing> > > > > > > > good> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > pls re reAD my mails .> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > i dont hav time to argue or even type ,if u ready inform> > > > me ,i> > > > > > will> > > > > > > > stay> > > > > > > > > in grp for one week more.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > if u r ready u will b cleared of ur ignorence ( self> > > > imposed or> > > > > > > > > finnced by some lobbies )> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > regrds vijaya raghavan> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > , "sanat2221"> > > > > > > > > <sanatkumar_jain@> wrote:> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Dear divyesh ji,> > > > > > > > > > Namaskar,> > > > > > > > > > Thanks for your msgs.> > > > > > > > > > Though I do not want to reply your msg. because I am> > not> > > > > > doing any> > > > > > > > > > prediction. But your both msgs are contradicting> > where in> > > > your> > > > > > > > first> > > > > > > > > > msg you have highlighted your problems and about> > spending> > > > lot> > > > > > of> > > > > > > > > > money on astrologers; and in 2nd msg you are saying> > that> > > > > > >>>>>i am> > > > > > > > > > not the queriest nor looking for any predictions. i> > was> > > > asking> > > > > > > > akk ji> > > > > > > > > > and sanat ji who says they hav good command over vedic> > > > > > astrology> > > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > > now says it is not in veda ,uapanishats or puranas> > and it> > > > is> > > > > > > > > > humbug<<<<<<. So first of all please let me know in> > which> > > > msg> > > > > > or> > > > > > > > in> > > > > > > > > > which forum I claimed that I have a good command over> > > > Vedic> > > > > > > > astrology> > > > > > > > > > (for doing any prediction except for discussion). You> > can> > > > > > imagine> > > > > > > > > > that when I am studying astrology since last +35> > years and> > > > > > written> > > > > > > > > > two original books than definitely I may be some what> > well> > > > > > aware,> > > > > > > > but> > > > > > > > > > I have never exploited with any Vaak Patuta> > (communication> > > > > > skill)> > > > > > > > or> > > > > > > > > > by negative prediction or remedy circus and so on.> > When I> > > > am> > > > > > > > saying> > > > > > > > > > that it is not in Ved it means something. If you, or> > your> > > > > > > > astrologer> > > > > > > > > > or friends have some patience (other then their> > business> > > > > > interest)> > > > > > > > > > then they can discuss it.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > So far your problem is concerned; I will like to say> > that> > > > you> > > > > > may> > > > > > > > > > continue to loose your money as long as you have> > money to> > > > > > fill the> > > > > > > > > > stomach of astrologers. No body on Earth can help you> > so> > > > long> > > > > > you> > > > > > > > > > have no wisdom to analyze a problem. Remember,> > problem it-> > > > > > self is> > > > > > > > not> > > > > > > > > > problem, it is our inability to find the proper> > solution.> > > > > > Planets> > > > > > > > > > have nothing to do with your wife or your problem. So> > > > either> > > > > > you> > > > > > > > must> > > > > > > > > > know the bottom side story or you may wander from one> > > > > > astrologer> > > > > > > > to> > > > > > > > > > another. When one astrologer will suggest some remedy> > > > another> > > > > > will> > > > > > > > > > suggest some another remedy. So continue with this> > remedy> > > > > > circus.> > > > > > > > In> > > > > > > > > > my opinion you are in need of a family counselor.> > However,> > > > > > you may> > > > > > > > > > continue to take advice, whatever you think may be> > > > beneficial> > > > > > to> > > > > > > > you.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Regarding >>>>> and i can see problems clearly in his> > > > chart> > > > > > other> > > > > > > > > > wise i am fed up with same mails of both of them all> > astro> > > > > > > > > > forums<<<<<<< I will like to say that where you find> > my> > > > chart> > > > > > and> > > > > > > > I> > > > > > > > > > have neither asked you for my problem neither in this> > > > forum> > > > > > nor in> > > > > > > > > > any other forum, otherwise like Sh Harish JI, you will> > > > also> > > > > > ask> > > > > > > > for> > > > > > > > > > fee. So far same msg is concerned, what can be done if> > > > every> > > > > > > > member> > > > > > > > > > like to have discussion from the very beginning and> > > > > > conveniently> > > > > > > > > > observe silence just to show his greatness (but they> > are> > > > more> > > > > > > > > > interested in their business). I can only suggest and> > > > request> > > > > > that> > > > > > > > > > whenever you see my msg. you can simply skip it. OK.> > > > However,> > > > > > I> > > > > > > > find> > > > > > > > > > that you have just joined our forum. So I am unable to> > > > > > understand> > > > > > > > > > your observations.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Hope to read your msg. regularly.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Thanks,> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Yours truly,> > > > > > > > > > Sanat> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > --- In> > > > , "lion_draco1983"> > > > > > > > > > lion_draco1983@ wrote:> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > dear kaul ji and sanat ji> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > pls dee this chart according to vedic astrology and> > giv> > > > us> > > > > > ur> > > > > > > > > > comments> > > > > > > > > > > .let us get back to exprnce of a person than> > excavating> > > > for> > > > > > so> > > > > > > > > > called> > > > > > > > > > > proofs as a culture which has gone tru various> > turmoil> > > > need> > > > > > not> > > > > > > > hav> > > > > > > > > > all> > > > > > > > > > > supporting documents .> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Now i am a student ( means not regular but arm> > chair )> > > > of> > > > > > > > > > astrology .> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > see his moon dasa and see his debilated venus and> > its> > > > > > aspect on> > > > > > > > dasa> > > > > > > > > > > Lord and his life exprnce> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > here is the post .> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > dear sir/madam> > > > > > > > > > > PLEASE DO NOT GET OFFENDED AS I HAVE POSTED MY> > PROBLEM> > > > ON> > > > > > HERE> > > > > > > > > > BEFORE, I> > > > > > > > > > > DO NOT> > > > > > > > > > > MEAN ANY KIND OF OFFENCE OR AM I SAYING THAT PEOPLE> > WHO> > > > HAVE> > > > > > > > > > ADVISED ME> > > > > > > > > > > BEFORE> > > > > > > > > > > ARE WRONG OR NOT GENUINE, SOME OF YOU ARE RIGHT,> > BUT MY> > > > > > PLIGHT> > > > > > > > IS> > > > > > > > > > STILL> > > > > > > > > > > THERE,> > > > > > > > > > > AND I REPOST OUT OF FRUSTRATION.> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > i have contact many dozens of astrologers, in the> > last> > > > few> > > > > > > > months> > > > > > > > > > > because, my> > > > > > > > > > > life is a still mess, i have lost my job, my> > marriage> > > > has> > > > > > been a> > > > > > > > > > mess> > > > > > > > > > > and me and> > > > > > > > > > > my wife dont talk and have not slept in the same> > > > bedroom for> > > > > > > > over> > > > > > > > > > 10yrs,> > > > > > > > > > > we are> > > > > > > > > > > only together for sake of kids.,> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > i know abt my mahadasa and antradasa etc, but i> > still> > > > > > believe> > > > > > > > > > things can> > > > > > > > > > > be done> > > > > > > > > > > here and now.> > > > > > > > > > > all astrologers have told me so many different> > things, i> > > > > > have> > > > > > > > paid> > > > > > > > > > so> > > > > > > > > > > much> > > > > > > > > > > money,(in total i must of paid at least 3500pounds> > in> > > > the> > > > > > last> > > > > > > > > > 12months> > > > > > > > > > > in> > > > > > > > > > > poojas, yagnas and chart readings and advice alone).> > > > yet i> > > > > > am no> > > > > > > > > > better> > > > > > > > > > > off in> > > > > > > > > > > any respect,> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Â i have done many prayers to all sorts of> planets> > > and> > > > > gods,> > > > > > > i> > > > > > > > > have> > > > > > > > > > > been told to> > > > > > > > > > > spend more money on gemstones which vary from blue> > > > > > sapphire, red> > > > > > > > > > coral,> > > > > > > > > > > pearl,> > > > > > > > > > > emerald, and diamond,, i have been told such things> > as> > > > > > shani or> > > > > > > > > > rahu, or> > > > > > > > > > > ketu,> > > > > > > > > > > or sun or moon or jupiter or venus is affecting me,> > > > > > > > > > > or to pay to have more poojas and yagnas done, i> > have> > > > been> > > > > > told> > > > > > > > > > that i> > > > > > > > > > > have been> > > > > > > > > > > cursed, blackmagic, pitru curse, naag(cobra) curse,> > and> > > > many> > > > > > > > more> > > > > > > > > > other> > > > > > > > > > > things,> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > i have been told that i should pray to my weaker> > > > (malefic)> > > > > > > > planets to> > > > > > > > > > > make them> > > > > > > > > > > stronger, or that i should NOT pray to my weaker> > > > (malefic)> > > > > > > > planets,> > > > > > > > > > as> > > > > > > > > > > praying to> > > > > > > > > > > them will cause more harm as i am making them> > stronger> > > > to> > > > > > harm> > > > > > > > me> > > > > > > > > > more,> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > or that i should pray to my benefic planets to make> > them> > > > > > even> > > > > > > > > > stronger,> > > > > > > > > > > or that> > > > > > > > > > > i should NOT pray to them as they are stronger> > anyway.> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > I know there are many systems of looking at> > charts!!!> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > i just need help, and the astrologer who help me> > sort my> > > > > > > > problems,> > > > > > > > > > will> > > > > > > > > > > see a> > > > > > > > > > > share of my gains, as i will need guidance all my> > life.> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Also should an astrologer/priest get paid before any> > > > > > results are> > > > > > > > > > > shown??? its> > > > > > > > > > > like paying a doctor before he has given you> > medicine> > > > which> > > > > > > > works,> > > > > > > > > > its> > > > > > > > > > > like> > > > > > > > > > > paying for machine to be repaired before you know it> > > > can be> > > > > > > > > > repaired, or> > > > > > > > > > > if the> > > > > > > > > > > engineer has repaired it properly at all.(if you> > know> > > > what i> > > > > > > > mean)> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > name divyesh parekh> > > > > > > > > > > tob 18.28pm> > > > > > > > > > > place mumbai india> > > > > > > > > > > date 17th aug 1965> > > > > > > > > > > been living in the uk since 1967> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > wifes name kamlash parekh> > > > > > > > > > > tob 2200pm> > > > > > > > > > > place birmingham, UK> > > > > > > > > > > date 28 feb 1968> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > i want to truly know how to become wealthy and> > happy in> > > > my> > > > > > > > > > marriage. I> > > > > > > > > > > do> > > > > > > > > > > believe a good astrologer/priest can tell me how to> > > > achieve> > > > > > all> > > > > > > > > > this,> > > > > > > > > > > even if my> > > > > > > > > > > charts do not show it now, its just knowing the> > right> > > > > > mantra,> > > > > > > > right> > > > > > > > > > > gemstone,> > > > > > > > > > > right offering etc. thru the power of faith and> > prayer> > > > > > nothing> > > > > > > > is> > > > > > > > > > > impossible. no> > > > > > > > > > > matter what the charts say. its about having belief> > and> > > > > > > > commitment.> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Â we also live in a materialistic world and even> god> > > > > knows> > > > > > > that> > > > > > > > i> > > > > > > > > > > have> > > > > > > > > > > responsibilities to my family etc, so i cant spend> > > > 15hours> > > > > > a day> > > > > > > > > > praying> > > > > > > > > > > or> > > > > > > > > > > spend all my money on poojas, yagnas etc.> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > When i was young i knew a priest who could achieve> > > > > > anything,Â> > > > > > > > but> > > > > > > > > > he> > > > > > > > > > > has died> > > > > > > > > > > many years ago,(he never asked for a penny) i saw> > him> > > > work> > > > > > > > miracles> > > > > > > > > > > myself, my> > > > > > > > > > > parents told me he was favoured by maa kali. and i> > have> > > > > > always> > > > > > > > said> > > > > > > > > > that> > > > > > > > > > > there> > > > > > > > > > > must be another person like him on this planet,> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > i have been to many holy places like haridwar,> > > > trirupati,> > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > > gayagi,> > > > > > > > > > > and many> > > > > > > > > > > more. but have only empty promises or con men.> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > My faith in god will never be questioned. shiva,> > vishnu,> > > > > > brahma> > > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > > maa> > > > > > > > > > > shakti,> > > > > > > > > > > and i will always believe in god, i will do my> > prayers> > > > till> > > > > > i> > > > > > > > die,> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > again apologies sincerely i do not wish to offend,> > but i> > > > > > seek> > > > > > > > that> > > > > > > > > > one> > > > > > > > > > > true> > > > > > > > > > > person for me,(maybe my future guru)> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > regards> > > > > > > > > > > divyesh> > > > > > > > > > > vedic-> > > > astrology/message/105854> > > > > > > > > > > <vedic-> > > > > > astrology/message/105854>> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > regrds VR> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> >>

[Guest guest]

Dear Raghvan ji,

Namaskar,

Thanks for your answer which was quite off the point.

Because you wrote on 2-10-8 >>>>> i dont hav time to argue or even

type ,if u ready inform me ,i will stay in grp for one week

more.<<<<<<< So I think your time has finished. Because in your

earlier mail you have admitted that >>>>> i am a student ( means not

regular but arm chair ) of astrology .<<<<<.

Thus when you are not aware and gone through from any scripture,

puran, Ved etc. as you have already >>>>>>>>>>>>all other ur

questions are backwas which is already explained in classics<<<<<<<.

But on the basis of hearsay have only faith on astrology then what I

can say. I have already mentioned in my blog " Astrology a science or

myth " (refer file section) as to how astrology is wrong. Some point

are as follows

" …….One group belongs to astrologers who always try to support

astrology due to their business considerations (these astrologers

always try to fit past event very precisely within some astrological

principle within a capsule of ved, religion, astronomy (eclipse etc.)

and faith etc., but they are unable to predict any future event.

Because astrological principles lead to diverse predictions and that

too diabolical opposite to each other. If by chance a prediction (in

fluke) may come true then they start to harp on the same prediction

and start self praising instead of applying the same so-called

principle on other horoscopes to see their failure. Thus astrologer

can only mislead, create confusion; try to cure `planets' and so

on………… Everybody may agree that every research is based on the then

knowledge. In the same way, when astrology was developed by sage

Parashar etc. At that time it was believed that Earth is in the

centre of the Universe and stationary (it is also believed in all

religions). Beside this it was also believed (you may read any old

scriptures) that Sun is nearer from the Earth, whereas Moon is beyond

Sun. All constellations are situated in between Mercury and Moon. You

may be surprised to know that all astrological principles are

actually fabricated around this concept…………… At that time our sages

were neither aware of Uranus, Neptune nor they were aware that solar

and lunar eclipses occurred due to presence of Moon and shadow of

Earth. That's why they have developed the concept of Rahu and Ketu

with retrograde motion of 3'11 " …………….. To give a modern scientific

colour to the astrology, you will also find in many modern

astrological books that eclipse occurred at the intersection point of

orbit of the Sun and Moon (though it was not known to our sages and

Rahu Ketu were created on the basis of myth)……….. I fully support

that astrology (predictive) is not a science but in primitive age

predictive astrology was a mixture of astronomy + psychology + faith.

Because astronomy is a science, psychology (recently discovered and

it was not known in primitive age) played an important role in

handling a person by the astrologer due to immense faith over

astrology+astrologer hence predictive astrology appears to be correct

due to combined effect of all three. "

And for detail read the blog itself and for knowing in detail as to

how every predictive principle was formulated you have to read my

research based book (I will like to point out that since last 5 years

after publication of the book. Not a single astrologer has come

forward with his arguments except admitting the content of the book.

But they are also helpless as to they have to follow the same track

for their livelihood.) Content of 400 pages can not be written.

Thus you must read " Vishnu puran " to know the then knowledge of sage

Parashar or Varahmihir and so on. When foundation of principles is

based on wrong concept of universe, which has now been accepted in

the form of solar system then why astrologers have not changed the

basic rules of sign lord etc.

Do you have any explanation?

What are Rahu Ketu in your opinion?

I think you will stick to above points for further interaction

instead of diverting the issue.

Other members or astrologer can also take part in this discussion.

Yours truly,

Sanat

Members:

 

Sh. Nathani ji, you are writing in the forum for promoting your

business (I have no objection) but why are you not answering various

points raised during discussion. If you have no answer then atleast

admit that you do not have answer. What is the harm? Remember any

unanswered question is the gateway of knowledge. I can at the most

bring you to this gate. If you are really interested in astrology and

not merely befooling innocent individuals then you must find the

answer. Otherwise you can continue with your business and I have no

objection if you are exploiting ignorance.

 

I invite all members to pickup any point which is not being answered

by astrologers, to continue our discussion for some conclusion.

Discussion is the only benefit of this forum for inquisitive members.

If some one is interested then I can also sum up these points. If any

member want to invite any astrologer then he can do this. I have no

objection. As it is only a free forum for all, and not like other

forums where moderator and other astrologers are sailing in a safe

pond of like minded members. Let them face the waves of sea. Members

can ask various questions in their forums if they are not willing to

join this forum, and members can intimate their replies in due

course. But keep on asking. Do not kill inquisitiveness.

 

 

 

 

 

, " lion_draco1983 "

<lion_draco1983 wrote:

>

>

>

>

> dear sanat

>

> think you have decided to always either sidetrack the issue or not

> continuing a point to its logical end.

> In my first para of the msg dated 9-10-8 I have clearly mentioned

> " Yes, if you have some principle by which you can substantiate the

> stomach or economy or child birth etc then come forward with that

> principle. " means horoscope with specific principles and specific

> prediction (which I have already detailed). But for the sake of God

> please remain within the frame of predictive astrology and do not

try

> to break my head with the Iron pillar of Delhi, which has nothing to

> do with predictive astrology.

>

> Ans --first of all i asked u to proove ur claims ,but u think by

taking

> this discussion long and long can divert this discussion to ur

area of

> interest ,being a performing life science which i blv u must show

me its

> ineffiencey by showing me why it is not working offcource u shud not

> twist classic guide lines to suit ur imaginations ,it is simply dry

> arguements ,arguements for the favr of arguements with a evil

mission

> .which all will agree .

>

>

> I used all those points u raised to show u r own dry

arguements in

> favr of science is like that or this ( which u also very well know

why i

> put all those points ) ,where as i asked u on the contrary to

explain

> ,use all dictums as it is already known to u as ur +35 yrs in

exprnce

> but ur interest is win ur arguemnts .And u want all secrets which

some

> acheive after long toil of study which depends on his good

karma .even

> u very well know that i am pointing to that only ,but some how u r

> determined as influenced by some bad elemnts and money forces and

> getting paid for it ,eager to twist all logics .

>

> (Our ''intellectual'' and fast approach to gain and explain

everything

> in a haste may not take us towrds Truth.

>

> The mind of tapaswi who is willing to wait for ages for every drop

of

> Truth may be blessed by HIM. May the HIM unfold himself within us.)

Again

> i know i am doing a futile exercise as u r allready determined and

> adament like a judas who sold his guru for some shekkels ,but u shud

> understand wat happened to him .so dont create akkaldamas in bharath

> ,land of rishis .

>

>

>

> if we follow ur logic

>

> economics is shud b banned frm study

>

> phychology

>

> even history

>

> statistics

>

> even business analaysis

>

> share market analaysis and finance analalysis

>

> even all modern experiments etc etc to n number of knowledge

branches .

>

> all medicinal capacities as u r saying they must answer u first to

ur

> twisted logics ( as nothing will pass ur kind of test and u can very

> well take back society to dark ages ) (Again i expect u to say all

this

> is not astrology ( as a usual reply in every mails ) and same time

u

> will never accept my challenge and side track all ur discussions

hoping

> one day i will strt discussing ur way ,but i will never do it as i

blv

> it should b between guru and sisya and it is not for public

domain )

> Even remebr failed test of big bang theory recently .

>

> ha ha ,very unscientificaly scientific person or what ????

>

>

>

> So to qulify urself proov ur arguemnts first on live basis on

working

> ,living examples ,then i will explain to u all secrets ( as upadesa

not

> in public domain ) where as u dont desrve it as u nevr prooved ur

> claims .

>

>

>

> so ur change shud come frm within than u waiste ur time on others (

who

> has no missionary money and lot of other works ) to sell some books

same

> time accepting payment for selling own culture .

>

> I know Lord mechalay already said to u ppl ( in his speach in brit

> parliament and letter s to queen ) if want to win hindus destroy

their

> culture first ,so u r following that agenda .

>

>

>

> but it is ur wish and will but will never happen so

>

>

>

>

, " sanat2221 "

> <sanatkumar_jain@> wrote:

> >

> >

> > Dear Raghvan ji,

> > Namaskar,

> > I think you have decided to always either sidetrack the issue or

not

> > continuing a point to its logical end.

> > In my first para of the msg dated 9-10-8 I have clearly mentioned

> > " Yes, if you have some principle by which you can substantiate the

> > stomach or economy or child birth etc then come forward with that

> > principle. " means horoscope with specific principles and specific

> > prediction (which I have already detailed). But for the sake of

God

> > please remain within the frame of predictive astrology and do not

try

> > to break my head with the Iron pillar of Delhi, which has nothing

to

> > do with predictive astrology.

> >

> > I think you are not reading the msg, which I have bifurcated in

> > various points for proper linking and discussion. And you,

yourself

> > are not willing to pursue your points, then what I can do. OK as

you

> > please.

> >

> > Regarding

> > >>>>>>what is the problem if u realy blv astro is non working

science

> > and

> > totaly baseless in accepting charts ,<<<<<<

> > I will like to say that I have already answered against your

> > following narration in previous msg

> > (((>>>>So now let us do in reality ,and see dictums with charts

> > posted by individuals .Then i will explain all thing s …….all

> city

> > but cannot devlp it in one century .<<<<<<<<

> > I have asked you some pinpointed principles, which we can apply on

> > various horoscopes. So come forward with charts and supportive

> > principles regarding fixed predictions as pointed out in my msg

dated

> > 6-10-8.)))

> >

> > So Please come forward with any chart (if you have not seen the

> > report card of astrologers after a survey conducted by Sh

Narlikar ji

> > then may refer in file section)or any point or advise any silent

> > astrologer to answer any point to continue the discussion, because

> > you have already admitted that >>>>>>all other ur questions are

> > backwas which is already explained in classics<<<<<<<. Hence you

can

> > go ahead with any chart and any principle which is not backwas and

> > may not be in any classics.

> >

> > Waiting.

> >

> > Yours truly,

> >

> > Sanat

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > , " lion_draco1983 "

> > lion_draco1983@ wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > dear sanat

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > sure this time also u make me smile by ur twisted logics and i

> > enjoyed

> > > it [] as all public is seeing u clay feet [] and futility of

> > ur

> > > claims as when ever i bring the point tru various exmples u r

> > brushing

> > > aside as it is not predictive astrology where as u dont hav real

> > courage

> > > to touch any charts .

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > u r cheating ur self ,i strted with a common tread that i will

> > show

> > > first efficacy of astrology (offcource u will show me where

classics

> > > failed ) and i will take charts frm only published list ( not

> > created by

> > > me ) ,and then we can even do a public gathering ( again ur

putting

> > > advtment and inviting ppl ) and accept their charts .Again i

told u

> > u

> > > can use ur missionary frnds to see the efficacy for a span of 1

yr

> > as we

> > > need to close this challenge also .( here where is confusion )

> > again we

> > > r not accepting any money or even gift for all this game ,so

where

> > is

> > > the cheating as u said ??

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > how astrology formed or how sani got its name all such

discussion s

> > we

> > > can do later as i blv in showing efficacy first ( which u never

> > > acheived in ur so called +35 yrs into astrology and rest of ur

life

> > into

> > > missionary activities ,where as simple 18 months in predictiv

and

> > b4 in

> > > medical astrology ( not modern but old ) ) i know its

> > efficacy .even in

> > > ayurveda or other so many indian science we use .

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > rest of ur mail u dont deserve an answer as it is designed to

> > twist

> > > logics and bring discussion to a sort of long long

arguements ,u r

> > here

> > > doing arguements for the sake of arguemnt and not doing any

> > constructiv

> > > discussion as ur mission is diffrnt .

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > what is the problem if u realy blv astro is non working science

> > and

> > > totaly baseless in accepting charts ,pls illuminate me

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > wish u happy dassera and vijaya dasami .

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > rgeds viajay raghavan .

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > , " sanat2221 "

> > > <sanatkumar_jain@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Dear Raghvan ji,

> > > > Namaskar,

> > > > I think you have decided to always sidetrack the issue. This

> > forum is

> > > > discussing the predictive astrological principles and not

ayurved

> > or

> > > > stomach or economy of America or your patient and so on. Yes,

if

> > you

> > > > have some principle by which you can substantiate the stomach

or

> > > > economy or child birth etc then come forward with that

principle.

> > Try

> > > > to be specific on questions, otherwise there is no sense in

> > throwing

> > > > the irrelevant sentences/para.

> > > >

> > > > You and every member must be clear that predictive astrology

has

> > > > nothing to do with Hindu religion. Even if you are bent upon

to

> > link

> > > > the predictive astrology with religion then I can only feel

sorry.

> > > >

> > > > Try to continue a point instead of leaving it unattended. So

that

> > any

> > > > conclusion may be drawn. I always try to follow this.

> > > >

> > > > >>>>>u r asking some funny qestions ( still enjoying [] )

But

> > all

> > > > this question r ur readymade ones which i read many times b4

and

> > > > fed up also and very unscientific and realy designed to push

down

> > > > matter under discussion knowing the facts well [] . []

<<<<<<<

> > > > Even you or so-called learner / expert astrologers are not

> > replying

> > > > despite repeating various readymade questions. What is the

harm if

> > > > you reply these readymade old questions or admit that you do

not

> > have

> > > > answer then we can go ahead in some new direction. But point

> > should

> > > > be attended.

> > > >

> > > > >>>>can u teach me wat is science ……………. so

> > > > better leav it ( many dies long long b4)<<<<<< We must focus

on

> > > > predictive astrology and do not try to divert the issue.

> > > >

> > > > >>>>So now let us do in reality ,and see dictums with charts

> > posted

> > > > by individuals .Then i will explain all thing s …….all city

> but

> > > > cannot devlp it in one century .<<<<<<<<

> > > > I have asked you some pinpointed principles, which we can

apply on

> > > > various horoscopes. So come forward with charts and supportive

> > > > principles regarding fixed predictions as pointed out in my

msg

> > dated

> > > > 6-10-8.

> > > >

> > > > >>>>>>>one exmple in my life ,when ever i visits forign

countries

> > for

> > > > long…………. may b in 100s who is travelling with me ??as i

> travel

> > > for

> > > > pilgrimage too .<<<<<< So you may come out with any predictive

> > > > principle. Your visit to foreign countries or pilgrimage has

> > nothing

> > > > to do with the correctness of predictive astrology.

> > > >

> > > > >>>>>>>>so stop dancing around and asking useless argements

> > > ………..yrs

> > > > proov in a mans life [:-$] .<<<<<

> > > > Is it useless to ask as to what is Rahu Ketu. Is it useless to

> > ask as

> > > > to how sign were devised. Is it useless to ask as to how

various

> > > > principles of signlord, aspect, friendship, exalted, dasha

etc.

> > were

> > > > formulated. And in your opinion it is only useful to misguide

a

> > > > simple innocent person by claiming that astrology is Vedic or

> > > > astrology is science and exploiting the issue by linking it

with

> > > > religion, whereas Krishna himself said about Karm (Mahabharat

was

> > > > written by Ved Vyas who was son of Parashar. Then he can very

well

> > > > support his father and Krishna may say that take action

according

> > to

> > > > planetary transit and so on………). Do not argue for the sake

> of

> > > > argument.

> > > >

> > > > >>>>>>i know astrology is not ayurveda but we r using same

> > > > priciples……… kind of snake bite ) [O:)] .<<<<<<< When you

> know

> > > that

> > > > Ayruved is not astrology then why are you wasting time and

> > energy. Be

> > > > specific on predictive astrology.

> > > >

> > > > >>>>>>first of all leav all this propaganda ( we know u r

mission

> > > > clearly ) or accept my challenge why cant u take it if u

strongly

> > blv

> > > > it ?? [:-?]<<<<<<< Asking a pointed question when out of 180

> > members

> > > > almost 177 members may be on your side is not a propaganda.

You

> > > > should know that propaganda is done among like minded members

as

> > is

> > > > being done in 99 % forums (Sh Kaul Ji what is your opinion?

As you

> > > > are member of many forums), where dissident voice is banned.

It is

> > > > your failure, which you are trying to coverup by using some

> > > > irrelevant points (or some filthy language). How I can create

a

> > > > propaganda when more then 95% members may not agree with me or

> > when

> > > > I am inviting astrologers who may definitely be against me.

But I

> > am

> > > > discussing with open mind and you are discussing with biased

> > > > attitude. I am studying astrology since last +35 years and

come

> > out

> > > > with two original books, on which every astrologer is silent.

Why,

> > > > because it is not propaganda but they are eye opener. You can

also

> > > > read these books in your spare time to know the bare truth.

> > > >

> > > > >>>>>>instead of classifying all predictions into diffrnt

catagory

> > > > with some english juggling words .which is written by some one

> > > > else ?? [;]<<<<<<< It is all my narration. Spare some time

and

> > go

> > > > through all my msgs. You must know that I have written two

books

> > and

> > > > working on third book so I can very well express my views. And

> > after

> > > > writing two original research based books I have sufficient

> > backup to

> > > > question your skill and answer on various points being raised

by

> > > > astrologers to misguide a simple man. If you are interested to

> > verify

> > > > my statement then you can go through my book ( " Jyotish Kitna

Sahi

> > > > Kitna Galat " in Hindi or " Astrology a science or myth " in

English,

> > > > whose front picture is signature picture of the forum.).

> > > >

> > > > >>>>>>all other ur questions are backwas which is already

> > explained

> > > > in classics ………… afrikan and indian is diffrnt in health

> and

> > > immunity

> > > > and many other characteristics [;] .<<<<<<<< If my

questions are

> > > > backwas then why they have been explained in classics, Or you

are

> > > > saying that classics have answer on backwaas. If it (backwas)

is

> > > > already contained in classics then why you are not coming

forward

> > > > with answers instead of throwing your arguments here and

there. I

> > > > will like to suggest that you can take help of other forums

and

> > may

> > > > ask your friends and learned / learner astrologers in this

forum.

> > I

> > > > have no objection or you may take any point from my old

> > > > blog " Astrology a science or myth " or from various SOA…………

> > > files or

> > > > msgs, which are pending because astrologers are not able to

even

> > > > support their stand or you may come forward on any point (but

only

> > > > astrology).

> > > >

> > > > >>>u know it very well but ur mission is diffrnt ,i remebr one

> > lady in

> > > > kerala died yesterday……….. 100 times more than this foreign

> debt

> > > > <<<<< It would have been more fruitful if any astrologer out

of

> > lakhs

> > > > astrologer may have been warned about such incident instead of

> > > > beating the bush.

> > > >

> > > > >>>>>>[(] , HA HA ,any way thanks for a nice evening<<<<

Hope to

> > > > have many more nice evening.

> > > >

> > > > >>>>>now u can strt accepting charts<<<<<<< You can go ahead

in

> > any

> > > > direction because you may have no answer on my pointed issues.

> > > > Otherwise continue our points to have some conclusion instead

of

> > > > diverting the issue. Even after some hot exchages we have not

yet

> > > > started any discussion on any astrological point. It shows

your

> > > > attitude towards a sincere discussion. When you are not

prepared

> > to

> > > > think a fresh with open mind even after experiment of Sh

Narlikar

> > Ji

> > > > then it is rather difficult to convince you on your off-shot

> > comments.

> > > >

> > > > Remember that outcome of discussion is not going to terminate

our

> > > > existence or business. So be cool, logical, remain within

> > framework.

> > > > When I am prepared to think a fresh on any point if raised by

any

> > > > member (who are almost against my views) then why are you not

> > > > prepared to have open mind when everybody is on your side and

come

> > > > forward with straight answer. And why are you loosing your

temper,

> > > > which is evident from your msgs. Remember it is academic

> > discussion

> > > > and not the fight for bread and butter.

> > > >

> > > > Thanks

> > > >

> > > > Yours truly,

> > > > Sanat

> > > >

> > > > Members :

> > > >

> > > > Welcome to all new members. You may please take active part in

> > open

> > > > discussion.

> > > >

> > > > 1 Silent members may please come forward and share your views

on

> > > > either side. Membership of any member will not be terminated;

so

> > long

> > > > you are using a good language irrespective of your stand.

> > > >

> > > > 2 Ms. Dipika Ji, you are not regular like Sh. AK Kaul ji. I

hope

> > you

> > > > may be OK.

> > > >

> > > > 3 Sh. Prabhakar Ji, Nathani Ji may please come forward with

your

> > > > answers. I hope by now you may have searched the answers in

> > > > Lalkitab / astrological book. Sh Nirmal Kumar Bhardwaj ji (or

any

> > > > other member), if you want then you can also pick up the

point of

> > Sh

> > > > Prabhakar ji.

> > > >

> > > > 4 Sh. Ghopal Ji, we are waiting for your msg / views since

long.

> > > >

> > > > 5 Sh. Deshmukh ji, please write your msg as soon as you feel

> > healthy.

> > > > Ask you son-in-law to meet me during his next visit to

Gwalior. My

> > > > ph. 0751-2626868 and residing in Dal Bazar.

> > > >

> > > > 6 Member with jyotishi2001@ ID, who joined the forum on 16-7-

> > > > 8 may please come forward with your introduction. I do not

know

> > as to

> > > > why you are concealing your identity. You must have courage to

> > > > support your stand, and rest assure except filthy language

every

> > > > argument on either side is permitted in this forum. Remember,

our

> > > > failure to answer a question is the gateway for touching the

> > truth.

> > > > So do not afraid from any failure.

> > > >

> > > > 7 If any member has any question / answer/ views etc., on

which

> > you

> > > > have some hesitation then you can directly write on my email

> > > > sanatkumar_jain@

> > > >

> > > > 8 I am answering every msg serially having some question for

me

> > > > (within 2-3 days). If any member thinks that I have not

answered

> > his

> > > > msg. then he can very well remind me.

> > > >

> > > > 9 Continue to invite your friends of other forums for having a

> > > > vibrant discussion. Remember this is the only forum where you

can

> > > > analyze astrological principles without suppressing your

views.

> > > >

> > > > 10 If members may have some useful astrological e-books,

article,

> > > > blog, views, news etc. then you may please upload them in file

> > > > section for the benefit of members.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > , " lion_draco1983 "

> > > > lion_draco1983@ wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > dear sanat ji .

> > > > >

> > > > > Namasakar to u too .

> > > > >

> > > > > Thanks for ur mail

> > > > >

> > > > > but i had lot of fun at ur expense i am asking u to proov in

> > > > reality and

> > > > > u r asking some funny qestions ( still enjoying [] )

> > > > >

> > > > > But all this question r ur readymade ones which i read many

> > times

> > > > b4 and

> > > > > fed up also and very unscientific and realy designed to push

> > down

> > > > > matter under discussion knowing the facts well [] . []

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > can u teach me wat is science or is it some thing fixed

> > one ,does

> > > > all

> > > > > this neo science hold in that yardstick

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > then why cant they proov delhi iron pillar is humb bug or

real

> > or

> > > > super

> > > > > ??after all this yrs ??

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > If so phycology /history /economics /.maangement

studies /all

> > > > other

> > > > > ----- subjucts why some one shud study and practise [>] .

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > even ur science says 2 diffrnt thing at same breath []

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > some times says fat food givs heart attack and giving low

fat

> > food

> > > > and

> > > > > says again givs heart attacks [)] ( one example and i dont

> > want

> > > > to

> > > > > spoil my time )

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > says exercise givs good life span ,can u show one olympian

lived

> > > > more

> > > > > than 80 yrs ( may b one or 2 but i am asking u in general )

so

> > all

> > > > > sciences except mathematics will not hold water with ur

> > theory ,so

> > > > > better leav it ( many dies long long b4 )

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > So now let us do in reality ,and see dictums with charts

posted

> > by

> > > > > individuals .Then i will explain all thing s with u other

wise u

> > > > dont

> > > > > deserv it man ,same question i can ask to any one ,even to a

> > > > doctor ,he

> > > > > will say couple has no problem to conceiv and why not

happening

> > > > last 15

> > > > > yrs he dont know .what will u say?? Modern medical science

is

> > > > humbug or

> > > > > needs more time to devlp ?? or we shud trow baby with

bucket and

> > > > water

> > > > > ???

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > i will never say it is 100 % working because of various

reason

> > like

> > > > u r

> > > > > favrite science tho u r very unscientific and dogamtic and

with

> > a

> > > > evil

> > > > > mission in mind ( also foreign funded as ur adamnce shows

as u

> > need

> > > > to

> > > > > proove to ur bosses ) and says and repeats same ready made

> > > > answers .So

> > > > > u embrace science as ur saviour as it is easy for u .like a

> > > > mtchstick

> > > > > can destroy all city but cannot devlp it in one century .

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > one exmple in my life ,when ever i visits forign countries

for

> > long

> > > > > duration and come back i get water problem ,i drink water

frm

> > india

> > > > my

> > > > > stomach will b upset for 1 week ( there and here too i drink

> > > > mineral

> > > > > water only esp after visit for 3 weeks ) .then again while

> > > > travelling

> > > > > in india tho i am using mineral water ( long distance ) ,if

i

> > change

> > > > > brand i will get stomach upset .how u explain by scince ,u

can

> > > > explain

> > > > > as it is easy ,but why it is not happening to my wife ?? or

> > > > frnds ?? or

> > > > > others may b in 100s who is travelling with me ??as i

travel for

> > > > > pilgrimage too .

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > so stop dancing around and asking useless argements ,it is

> > easy ,i

> > > > wont

> > > > > bite ur bait as u wanted to go on asking unnceesarry

questions

> > on a

> > > > life

> > > > > science and diverting real essence of it ,but intention is

> > diffrnt

> > > > and

> > > > > also i hav to use my quality time diffrnt way ,u see whn i

> > asked u

> > > > > ayurvedic based question u run awy as u dont want to enter

there

> > > > > .because u know u will fail defenitly as it is also working

> > science

> > > > and

> > > > > we can prove it in a months time in frnt of u even using

> > > > astrological

> > > > > theories ( i will tell u in adavnce what will happen on

which

> > > > nakshtra

> > > > > days what will happen on eachnakshtra days based on same

maya

> > the

> > > > > mlecha suryaisidhanta based stars which destroyed kashmere )

> > where

> > > > as

> > > > > astro needs so many yrs proov in a mans life [:-$] .

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > i know astrology is not ayurveda but we r using same

priciples

> > but

> > > > not

> > > > > dasa or charts .even i find in old generation tru prashna

they

> > say

> > > > which

> > > > > serpent or snake bite the patient ,now antivenoms is

applicable

> > (

> > > > and

> > > > > stopped using that technics ) and those days needs diffrnt

> > > > treatment for

> > > > > each kind of snake bite So good physicians prepare medicine

> > well in

> > > > > advance means the moment party strted to meet the physician

he

> > will

> > > > b

> > > > > ready here with all facility (means asks his servants to

make

> > > > > preparations and medicns and will say such a patient will

come

> > with

> > > > this

> > > > > kind of snake bite ) [O:)] .

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > first of all leav all this propaganda ( we know u r mission

> > > > clearly ) or

> > > > > accept my challenge why cant u take it if u strongly blv

it ??

> > [:-?]

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > instead of classifying all predictions into diffrnt catagory

> > with

> > > > some

> > > > > english juggling words .which is written by some one else ??

> > [;]

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > even i said later we can use mass prediction s in some

maidan to

> > > > ppl

> > > > > invited by a new paper advtment ,u and ur missionaries can

> > follow

> > > > it up

> > > > > and we will keep the copy that is all .( only predictions

with

> > one

> > > > yr

> > > > > long ranging effect as it is easy )

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > all other ur questions are backwas which is already

explained in

> > > > > classics to use kala desa ,patra ,kula ,gotra and

paristithy as

> > it

> > > > is

> > > > > used as helping science than a fatal science .even modern

> > science

> > > > also

> > > > > uses this as an afrikan and indian is diffrnt in health and

> > > > immunity

> > > > > and many other characteristics [;] .

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > u know it very well but ur mission is diffrnt ,i remebr one

> > lady in

> > > > > kerala died yestrday after 36 yrs in coma after emplyed some

> > > > sedativs (

> > > > > how u justify it if science working linearly why it affect

her

> > than

> > > > > helping her )

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > if so why america failed economicaly with 56 trillion dolars

> > > > foreign

> > > > > debt and trying cover it ( i dont think astrologers and

maya the

> > > > mlecha

> > > > > influenced them ) and going to fail in big way why any of

ur neo

> > > > > science helped them than do another war and grab others

money

> > and

> > > > > natural resources ( u r also trying to do it as u r

inflenced by

> > > > such

> > > > > forces but another way ) even according ur style of

arguement if

> > > > richest

> > > > > country in world has this much debts then poor countries

has 20

> > or

> > > > 100

> > > > > times more than this foreign debt [(] , HA HA ,any way

> > > > thanks for

> > > > > a nice evening

> > > > >

> > > > > now u can strt accepting charts

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > regrds vijaya raghavan

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > , " sanat2221 "

> > > > > <sanatkumar_jain@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Raghvan ji,

> > > > > > Namaskar,

> > > > > > <<<<<<I dont understand still what u mean by

scientific>>>>>,

> > it

> > > > > > means that if you are of the opinion that predictive

> > astrology is

> > > > > > science (science means, which can be proved, which can be

> > repeated

> > > > > > and there may not be any ambiguity). Thus if pred.

astrology

> > is

> > > > > > science then you or any one must be aware as to how

> > astrological

> > > > > > principles were formulated, what is Rahu Ketu, what is the

> > affect

> > > > of

> > > > > > planet and so on (refer " astrology a science or myth " in

file

> > > > section

> > > > > > for offering your comments. Only a firm belief without

> > scientific

> > > > > > support can not be regarded as science.

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Actually prediction may be broadly classified in the

following

> > > > > > categories.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 1. Postmortem prediction – Any past event or present

> situation

> > > is

> > > > > > concluded by any principle like aspect, dasha, saptmansha,

> > navansh

> > > > > > etc., transit position of planets, by changing time of

birth

> > > > > …………….

> > > > > > and so on. Thus individual is always in the impression

that

> > his

> > > > > > past/present is covered by astrology hence astrology is

> > correct.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 2 . Psychological prediction – Narration of situation is

> > > predicted

> > > > > in

> > > > > > a way, which appears correct due to psychological affect

on

> > mind.

> > > > > > Like " you are presently passing through some problem " . It

is

> > > > evident

> > > > > > that when a person is visiting an astrologer then

definitely

> > he

> > > > must

> > > > > > be in trouble. But by saying so, astrologer touch the

> > weakness of

> > > > > > individual and any person will start to narrate his

problem

> > like a

> > > > > > parrot. In between dialogue of the astrologer implant a

> > > > psychological

> > > > > > affect, which appears correct.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 3 Remedial prediction – Astrologer try to convince an

> > > individual

> > > > > > that there is some problem in achieving success or in

> > solution of

> > > > any

> > > > > > problem but it can only be avoided by wearing some gem,

> > offering

> > > > > > etc., vastu, fengsui etc. (in which astrologer is directly

> > > > involved

> > > > > > thorough commission or so), or guide to do some offering

> > > > privately,

> > > > > > prey to his god (in which astrologer is not directly

involved

> > but

> > > > he

> > > > > > gain confidence of the client), which in turn may bring

other

> > > > client

> > > > > > for extracting money. Thus if client succeed then he will

> > > > permanently

> > > > > > fall in the lap of astrologer and in case of failure

> > astrologer

> > > > will

> > > > > > convince him that he has already warned for some problem

and

> > > > remedy

> > > > > > was little affective due to higher side of negative

affect of

> > > > planets.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 4. Situational prediction – Some party, team etc. may win,

> > > heavy

> > > > > > rain, summer, winter etc., this has nothing to do with

> > astrology

> > > > but

> > > > > > very affective in winning the confidence of local

residents.

> > Some

> > > > > > time they take help of proverb but individual is not able

to

> > > > realize

> > > > > > that any planetary position socalled responsible for rain,

> > summer

> > > > > > etc. is applicable to entire Earth. Thus rain may be on

entire

> > > > Earth

> > > > > > and so on.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 5 Fluke prediction – Like at the age of 1 or 2, any

> prediction

> > > > > that

> > > > > > individual may be doctor etc., Such prediction is

affective to

> > > > lure

> > > > > > the parents and astrologer may get benefit. If in fluke he

> > become

> > > > > > doctor then astrologer will get publicity.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 6 Fixed predictions – This is the actual prediction based

> on

> > > some

> > > > > > principle. This is actually the signboard of astrologer

but

> > they

> > > > can

> > > > > > never predict any event except narrating some past

stories to

> > get

> > > > > > confidence of individual.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Thus astrologer can never predict as

> > > > > > 1 any horoscope belongs to Male or Female, because sex has

> > very

> > > > vital

> > > > > > role in the life of some one (through out the world and

in all

> > > > > > religion), and it affect whole sequence of event.

> > > > > > 2 When he will be married or just have sexual

relationship. Do

> > > > planet

> > > > > > knows that it is marriage and it is sexual relationship

> > without

> > > > > > marriage?

> > > > > > 3 How many marriages. Because in India we have mostly

only one

> > > > > > marriage and one partner for sexual relationship, where as

> > Muslim

> > > > > > countries have mostly more then one marriages at a time

and

> > > > western

> > > > > > countries may mostly have more then one marriage (one by

one)

> > at a

> > > > > > time but mostly have many partner for sexual

relationship. So

> > how

> > > > any

> > > > > > planet who is responsible for marriage know and affect as

to

> > who

> > > > may

> > > > > > have to lead with one wife, who may with more wives and

who

> > may

> > > > have

> > > > > > one by one many wives.

> > > > > > 4 How many childrens (male or female) and when. How planet

> > > > > > differentiate that a tribal man or osama may have more

> > children

> > > > then

> > > > > > most of the persons of the world.

> > > > > > 5 About his Education, profession, Finance and ofcourse

about

> > his

> > > > > > death.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Will you please intimate at least One or more principle

which

> > in

> > > > your

> > > > > > opinion is correct. But remember result must be absolute

and

> > not

> > > > > > vague or with psychological mixing. I mean to say that

you may

> > > > > > intimate any principle by which you can predict above

points.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Do have any definite principle or you have a set of

principles

> > > > like

> > > > > > 1- So and so time is not good or good. Now such

predictions

> > are

> > > > not

> > > > > > predictions at all. Because how a time may be bad, when

your

> > body

> > > > is

> > > > > > intact, your house is intact, your family is intact, your

> > > > education

> > > > > > is intact. But such sentence can only lead any person to

> > magnify

> > > > his

> > > > > > problem and may confirm that his time is bad.

> > > > > > 2- You are not getting according to your knowledge. Now

every

> > > > person

> > > > > > is not satisfied with, what he has. So he may just

confirm.

> > This

> > > > is

> > > > > > only psychology.

> > > > > > Thus all I repeat all predictions are psychological or if

not

> > then

> > > > > > they are randomly correct, which has noting to do with

> > science or

> > > > > > ved, and when a result of some principle is not repeated

then

> > how

> > > > you

> > > > > > can say that it is prediction and it is science.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > We are discussing predictive astrology and not ayurvedic

> > > > treatment.

> > > > > > If ayurvedic treatment is right that what it has to do

with

> > the

> > > > > > principle of predictive astrology. Even Arya samaj who is

main

> > > > > > supporter of Ved, admit that ved has nothing to do with

> > predictive

> > > > > > astrology.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Regarding >>>>) u ppl come in packs or fake ids and

attacks

> > and

> > > > > > humiliates<<<<<<and >>>>>> after i read u for for

> > months<<<<<<< I

> > > > > > must clear that neither I have fake ID nor I am writing in

> > other

> > > > > > forum except invitation to my forum. Thus I am even not

> > reading

> > > > as to

> > > > > > which msg is being passed on to other forums, so forget

for

> > > > replying.

> > > > > > I have even no time to write individual msgs and thus to

cut

> > > > short I

> > > > > > use PS and cover minor points for other members. Hence

there

> > is no

> > > > > > need or use for such fake ID. There is no question of

> > humiliation

> > > > as

> > > > > > I am putting very simple question derived from individual

> > replies

> > > > and

> > > > > > I often suggest members to take help of other astrologer

in

> > other

> > > > > > forum or personal friends. I encourage them to interact

and

> > > > suggest

> > > > > > them to invite their friends. So where is the question of

> > > > > > humiliation? Refer various SOA………. Files in file

> section.

> > > Where

> > > > > you

> > > > > > will find some interaction, so where is humiliation? I am

not

> > > > > > exposing in their forum so their business may not be

harmed.

> > Thus

> > > > > > your contention is totally biased and unfounded.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >>>>> ur ids like jyothishi2001>>>>, what a fun. It is

not my

> > ID.

> > > > > > Except a welcome note of 20-7-8, I have not interacted

with

> > him. I

> > > > > > even do not know his name etc.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >>>>> problem ,but dont invite some poor ppl who r trying

to

> > help

> > > > in

> > > > > > grps and u r systematicaly abusing them with a set of

> > questions

> > > > as u

> > > > > > r well planned and they r not .Many of them learned it

even

> > self

> > > > only

> > > > > > prediction part and using as hobby without charging one

> > rs>>>>>>>

> > > > I

> > > > > > am only inviting those individuals who are either

interested

> > in

> > > > > > astrology (may be learner or hobby etc.) or who are

advising

> > > > > > individuals (either free or for promoting their business,

I

> > am not

> > > > > > concerned). And so long he is silently reading the msg.,

how

> > can I

> > > > > > ask him. There are more then +100 silent members. But

when he

> > says

> > > > > > that it is vedic or science or his prediction is 100%

correct

> > > > then I

> > > > > > am asking about the principles and systematic questions.

So

> > where

> > > > is

> > > > > > the humiliation? I have also asked from you. It is not

> > > > humiliation;

> > > > > > it is exchange of views. If he is learner and have some

wrong

> > idea

> > > > > > about the predictive astrology then he must know the truth

> > from

> > > > his

> > > > > > own logic. You must know that counter question is neither

> > abusing

> > > > nor

> > > > > > humiliation. Moreover I am not concerned with an

individual

> > as to

> > > > who

> > > > > > is he, I am only concerned with principles of predictive

> > > > astrology.

> > > > > > That's I have also interacted with the members who have

not

> > > > disclosed

> > > > > > their name etc. Because my mission is only to find the

truth

> > and

> > > > to

> > > > > > intimate the truth. Thus I always used to write at the

end of

> > the

> > > > > > msg. that discussion is not personal but academic. And

for the

> > > > > > convenience compiled some interaction in various SOA…….

> > > Files, so

> > > > > he

> > > > > > may pick any point of his choice.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I hope this will clear the mind of many silent members

too.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I am not interested in banning any member like other

forums.

> > But

> > > > > > definitely I will like to maintain decorum. I hope you

will

> > > > maintain

> > > > > > the decorum and take part in discussion with your stand,

> > instead

> > > > of

> > > > > > writing msg. without any substance for discussion. So far

> > writing

> > > > of

> > > > > > Sh AK Kaul is concerned, I can say that he always

maintain and

> > > > like

> > > > > > good language. He is very senior, learned, logical and

active.

> > > > Thus I

> > > > > > will like to emphasize that inability of a member, to

answer

> > is

> > > > not

> > > > > > humiliation but it is a gateway for him to think a fresh,

with

> > > > open

> > > > > > mind and ask such points in other forum / astrologers so

that

> > he

> > > > may

> > > > > > be mentally strong in either way and come forward with

some

> > > > logical,

> > > > > > scientific reply. I have asked a very simple question as

to

> > what

> > > > is

> > > > > > Rahu Ketu and so on from some reputed astrologers. They

are

> > not

> > > > > > replying and quitting the forum or are silent. Is it

> > humiliation?

> > > > We

> > > > > > are just learning and teaching simultaneously. I hope you

will

> > > > > > continue.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Thanks

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Yours truly,

> > > > > > Sanat

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > PS:

> > > > > > 1 Welcome to new members. They can take up any point for

> > > > discussion.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 2 Member with jyotishi2001@ ID, who joined the forum on

16-7-

> > > > > > 8 may please come forward with his introduction. I do not

> > know as

> > > > to

> > > > > > why he is concealing his identity. He must have courage to

> > support

> > > > > > his stand, and rest assure except filthy language every

> > argument

> > > > on

> > > > > > either side is permitted in this forum.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 3 Some members are not replying on pending points. I hope

by

> > now

> > > > > > they have gathered the information in support of his

stand.

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > --- In

, " lion_draco1983 "

> > > > > > lion_draco1983@ wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Mr .sanat

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > thanks for ur response and warning

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I dont understand still what u mean by scientific as u

not

> > ready

> > > > > > to

> > > > > > > see any results on actual basis .now let me repeat .

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > i posted a chart 4 days back ( and till today u or sri

AKK

> > or

> > > > > > none of

> > > > > > > ur cronies never bothered to reply me ) and i will pick

more

> > > > charts

> > > > > > frm

> > > > > > > vedic astro grps ( as i hav memebrship in all prime grps

> > and i

> > > > will

> > > > > > > quote even messge numbers and date for ur convenience )

> > which is

> > > > > > posted

> > > > > > > by diffrnt ppl who came for predictions .so u can see

all

> > those

> > > > > > charts

> > > > > > > and tell me were it is not working since u said u r 35

yrs

> > in

> > > > > > astrology

> > > > > > > and as u find it is not working and AKK ji was in astro

> > since

> > > > > > > generations and he also find it is not working and that

is

> > the

> > > > > > reasons u

> > > > > > > go to veda s and other literature and find that this is

mass

> > > > > > cheating

> > > > > > > system .so proove me that first ( and u can check the

where

> > > > abts abt

> > > > > > > queriests urself and satisfied then only u need to step

into

> > > > it .)

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > after considering various chart for a yr or let us fix a

> > > > time ,see

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > probablity and correctness ( even i will participate -

> > simple 18

> > > > > > months

> > > > > > > exprnced man than ur tall claims ,may b into predictiv

part

> > of

> > > > > > astro as

> > > > > > > i find it is very well working in our treatments ,as i

am an

> > > > > > ayurvedic

> > > > > > > by profession ) ,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > kerala ayurvedic by generations and our ancesters

suffered

> > > > similar

> > > > > > > queries ( insults ) to proov scientificaly . how oil

applied

> > > > over

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > body is working for inside the body ??how it can cure

> > > > epilepsy ??

> > > > > > how it

> > > > > > > can cure mental problems ,does any one is fool to think

this

> > > > herb we

> > > > > > > find in street which cost u nothing ( those days ) can

> > cure ,it

> > > > is

> > > > > > > humbug to devil worship etc etc ,and using coconut oil

( we

> > r

> > > > giving

> > > > > > > upto 200ml of ghee daily in some treatments and after

full

> > > > cource is

> > > > > > > finished no cholostrol u can find by modern methods -i

mean

> > un

> > > > usual

> > > > > > > --so what u proove ghee has fat or not ???) in medicine

can

> > > > kill u

> > > > > > as it

> > > > > > > has highest cholestol -those days medias and these kind

of

> > ppl (

> > > > > > now u r

> > > > > > > doing for diffrnt indian science ) and we dont hav any

voice

> > > > those

> > > > > > as we

> > > > > > > dont own any print media which was very power ful those

> > days .)

> > > > That

> > > > > > was

> > > > > > > another story and now all upside down with god grace .

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I find u ppl hav diffrnt aim and it is viscible as u r

not

> > > > ready to

> > > > > > > accept those challenge and want to divert the

dicsussion to

> > > > > > unlimited

> > > > > > > vedas and proofs and it can only done by some one with

no

> > real

> > > > job

> > > > > > > ,where as i asked u systematicaly .let us first proov

it it

> > is

> > > > > > humbug as

> > > > > > > u claimed ,then we can conduct massive prediction s

even in

> > > > maidans

> > > > > > > after ur ppl organised it and invite ppl frm all over

one

> > > > selected

> > > > > > city

> > > > > > > too.i will sent u good astrologers .Then once it is

prooven

> > > > then it

> > > > > > > becomes my head ache to giv the proof in vedas after i

test

> > all

> > > > ur

> > > > > > > knowledge and worthiness.Beacuse real vedic scholars r

> > coming to

> > > > > > u .not

> > > > > > > me .so ask them .they r not trivedies or chaturvedies

just

> > by

> > > > name

> > > > > > in

> > > > > > > actual also they r vedies .

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > if u want to ban me u ,i welcome it and that is always a

> > > > conveneint

> > > > > > > measure too .But i promise u if u provoke me i will

defently

> > > > > > provoke u

> > > > > > > too ,yes offcource u can ban me and avoid me

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > but tel me why u ppl systematicaly invited astrologers

and

> > when

> > > > > > ever

> > > > > > > they r trying to discuss some thing ( even most of them

r

> > non

> > > > > > > professional too and hobbyists ) u ppl come in packs or

> > fake ids

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > attacks and humiliates

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > after i read u for for months and then only i took this

> > stand .

> > > > (of

> > > > > > > cource not in this grp ),so after seeing ur last mail

on VA

> > grp

> > > > i

> > > > > > > decided to join u .No need to scract ur head how i came

here

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > so welcome let us proov its humbug ( wheter correct

> > prediction

> > > > on

> > > > > > wrong

> > > > > > > data as AKK JI used to say ) as ur idea of science

always

> > says

> > > > > > > discard real proofs .

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > the idol of muruga in palani temple (kartik ) is made

of 9

> > kind

> > > > of

> > > > > > > chemicals and it is known as nava pashana ( 9 poison

idol )

> > > > > > moorthy too

> > > > > > > ,and for generation many used the panchamrit after doing

> > > > abhishekam

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > cured lot of diseases ,now the idol strted wear and tear

> > and we

> > > > > > lost the

> > > > > > > technic of making such idol with this methods ( it is in

> > sidha

> > > > > > medicine

> > > > > > > which is created by rishi agastrya and his 18 disciple'

s-

> > who

> > > > was

> > > > > > father

> > > > > > > of astrology in south and gaurdian rishi of south ) Now

u

> > and

> > > > AKK

> > > > > > will

> > > > > > > call him also charlatan and who fall for maya the

> > mlecha ,were

> > > > as

> > > > > > his

> > > > > > > periods are much much b4 them ,so after hearing all

> > this .And u

> > > > > > expect

> > > > > > > ppl like me shud use good language and show decency to

> > > > u .without u

> > > > > > ppl

> > > > > > > not prooving anything .It is not my duty to search and

> > inform or

> > > > > > teach u

> > > > > > > ppl ,u search and proove me so thing will b easy for u

as u

> > got

> > > > > > enough

> > > > > > > funds and me i need only 5 minits to answer u ( good

idea

> > > > right ??)

> > > > > > as u

> > > > > > > r here to proove vedic astrology is humbug .so r u

ready ??

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > do u think AKK is only vedic scholar or did he reserch

only

> > for

> > > > > > > astrology in vedas ?? i even said i am ready to discuss

it

> > but

> > > > > > after u

> > > > > > > find astro is working or not working according vedic

methods

> > > > > > then we

> > > > > > > can discuss ur those 2 mails daily appearing and i am

> > seeing in

> > > > > > various

> > > > > > > grps .

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > u said u r inviting astrologers -but u r inviting in

diffrnt

> > > > way -

> > > > > > did u

> > > > > > > ever said u r mail that it is for this kind of

> > discussion ,so

> > > > first

> > > > > > u

> > > > > > > shown u dont need any respect and then preaching to me

of my

> > > > > > language

> > > > > > > .did all ur ids like jyothishi2001( WHY U USE THIS KIND

OF

> > ID

> > > > IF U

> > > > > > > FIND ASTRO IS NOT WORKING AND WANT TO PROOV IT IS

WRONG )

> > etc

> > > > > > what it

> > > > > > > means ,if u find astrology not working u can say ,or

even

> > > > conduct

> > > > > > > harthal or dharna ,i hav no problem ,but dont invite

some

> > poor

> > > > ppl

> > > > > > who

> > > > > > > r trying to help in grps and u r systematicaly abusing

them

> > > > with a

> > > > > > set

> > > > > > > of questions as u r well planned and they r not .Many of

> > them

> > > > > > learned it

> > > > > > > even self only prediction part and using as hobby

without

> > > > charging

> > > > > > one

> > > > > > > rs

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > i know Mr krishna for long time he never used astrology

for

> > > > > > cheating any

> > > > > > > one -he got enough money for his rest of life as he was

an

> > IT

> > > > > > computer

> > > > > > > engineer who worked in many forgien countries and when

he

> > said

> > > > abt

> > > > > > some

> > > > > > > reserch u ppl abused and provoked him as if even he done

> > reserh

> > > > on

> > > > > > > drandruf ,is this is decent way of answering ??

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > when sri LY rao ( i know him as old gentle man in Kp

grps

> > tho i

> > > > hav

> > > > > > > memebrships in kp grps i dont try KP till today ) he

said

> > abt

> > > > his

> > > > > > > prashna exprnces which is used for a short duration of a

> > day ,u

> > > > > > abused

> > > > > > > him ,like --is all ruling planets show this . is this

is the

> > > > way u

> > > > > > call

> > > > > > > scienific or decency .is this is the way to discuss in a

> > > > civilised

> > > > > > way

> > > > > > > as u says ??? why dont u test it in reality ??with him

than

> > > > abusing

> > > > > > > which u ppl find is very easy and call urself

> > scientific ???????

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > even when ever i post i am getting reply on some

unimportant

> > > > lines

> > > > > > in

> > > > > > > mail .just extract convent part and replies ,because u r

> > idea is

> > > > > > > diffrnt .So i openly write it as i hav also right to

use my

> > own

> > > > > > > inteligence and tell the truth of ur missions .

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > .even if i proove vedas has astrology if it is not

useful in

> > > > day to

> > > > > > day

> > > > > > > life then what is the use ,and again u ppl will come for

> > kutarka

> > > > > > again

> > > > > > > ,so to save time i designed this challenge for u .first

i

> > will

> > > > > > prove its

> > > > > > > application then digging of vedas we can strt .By the

time i

> > > > will

> > > > > > get

> > > > > > > enough time as i will b in north india for a yr min as

one

> > more

> > > > > > centre

> > > > > > > is opening

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > now iam typing in between session s and i hav to wash

and

> > clean

> > > > my

> > > > > > hand

> > > > > > > as i am using medicated oil in treatment s so to touch

> > > > > > computers ,some

> > > > > > > oils are too sticky too .i hav to hav time ,so pls avoid

> > this

> > > > > > kutarka

> > > > > > > line with me as i will feel i am being used as tool for

ur

> > > > secret

> > > > > > > missions ,then i cannot control myself as our business

needs

> > > > lot of

> > > > > > > satwik energy .In other words i am not sitting 24 hrs

for u

> > in

> > > > > > computer.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > hope u understand me and pls let us go ahed or ban me

as it

> > is

> > > > > > > convenient ,the choice is urs .

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > be short,sweet and crisp .giv respect and take respect

this

> > > > includes

> > > > > > > other time u r using in the pretext of searching for

> > scietific

> > > > base

> > > > > > also

> > > > > > > .

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > thanks for time .

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > regrds vijaya raghavan

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > , " sanat2221 "

> > > > > > > <sanatkumar_jain@> wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Raghvan ji,

> > > > > > > > Namaskar,

> > > > > > > > First of all sorry for my msg of 2-10-8, which was in

> > > > response to

> > > > > > > > your first msg. dated 30-9-08 (which was also your

date of

> > > > > > joining in

> > > > > > > > this forum). In my reply I was confused as to who is

the

> > > > writer,

> > > > > > > > because you have neither mentioned your name in the

> > membership

> > > > > > menu

> > > > > > > > nor in the msg. nor you bothered to introduce your-

self.

> > So

> > > > it is

> > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > matter of wrong identity. Thus you can very well

eliminate

> > > > > > irrelevant

> > > > > > > > matter from my msg. of 2-10-8.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I will not offer any reply on your abusive language,

> > because

> > > > this

> > > > > > > > forum is meant for academic discussion and I will not

> > allow

> > > > it to

> > > > > > > > turn in to the fight of street dogs. I have no

objection

> > for

> > > > your

> > > > > > > > staying more then a weak >>>>> i will stay in grp for

one

> > week

> > > > > > > > more.<<<<< but you have to behave properly. I think we

> > have no

> > > > > > > > previous discussion on the matter hence I am unable to

> > answer

> > > > any

> > > > > > > > irrelevant point. Sh AK Kaul ji has correctly replied

your

> > > > msg.

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > thereafter I have nothing to say.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Be careful in writing, limit your writings to

astrological

> > > > > > > > principles, behave properly, it is my first and last

> > warning.

> > > > > > > > Otherwise, next time I will terminate your

membership. I

> > am

> > > > > > watching

> > > > > > > > your msg. Try to learn, how to write a msg. from the

msgs

> > of

> > > > Sh.

> > > > > > > > Prabhakar ji. Difference of opinion is one thing. I

always

> > > > welcome

> > > > > > > > such difference. Rather I am continuously inviting

> > > > astrologers,

> > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > for supporting me but to have proper interaction on

> > various

> > > > points

> > > > > > > > related to predictive astrology. But abusive language

is

> > > > different

> > > > > > > > and can never be allowed during serious interactions.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Thanks,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Yours truly,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Sanat

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > --- In

> > , " lion_draco1983 "

> > > > > > > > lion_draco1983@ wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > dear sanat or who ever u r ( because i dont know ur

new

> > > > > > christain

> > > > > > > > name )

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > u r dancing around ,i posted everything clearly ,it

was

> > a

> > > > post

> > > > > > frm

> > > > > > > > vedic

> > > > > > > > > astrology grp where u r also a memebr and i said i

can

> > see

> > > > > > clearly

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > problems in his chart .

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > so dont dance around ,i know u did understand ,u

say u r

> > > > only

> > > > > > > > scientific

> > > > > > > > > ,but now i am sure abt ur intention s bharath shud

loose

> > > > this

> > > > > > > > skills and

> > > > > > > > > u ppl can get a run over on hindus that is all ,why

u

> > negete

> > > > > > > > > prathyaksha anubhva ???is it scientific

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > i stick with my challenge to u on my own way as i am

> > > > interested

> > > > > > > > only in

> > > > > > > > > results than simple howling like a dog .

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > so be ready or say u r finsihed .

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > i dont need ur fees by god s grace .i am rich than

wat u

> > > > think

> > > > > > > > after 2

> > > > > > > > > generation of humiliation frm u ppl .and our

generation

> > is

> > > > doing

> > > > > > > > good

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > pls re reAD my mails .

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > i dont hav time to argue or even type ,if u ready

inform

> > > > me ,i

> > > > > > will

> > > > > > > > stay

> > > > > > > > > in grp for one week more.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > if u r ready u will b cleared of ur ignorence ( self

> > > > imposed or

> > > > > > > > > finnced by some lobbies )

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > regrds vijaya raghavan

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > --- In

, " sanat2221 "

> > > > > > > > > <sanatkumar_jain@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Dear divyesh ji,

> > > > > > > > > > Namaskar,

> > > > > > > > > > Thanks for your msgs.

> > > > > > > > > > Though I do not want to reply your msg. because I

am

> > not

> > > > > > doing any

> > > > > > > > > > prediction. But your both msgs are contradicting

> > where in

> > > > your

> > > > > > > > first

> > > > > > > > > > msg you have highlighted your problems and about

> > spending

> > > > lot

> > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > money on astrologers; and in 2nd msg you are

saying

> > that

> > > > > > >>>>>i am

> > > > > > > > > > not the queriest nor looking for any predictions.

i

> > was

> > > > asking

> > > > > > > > akk ji

> > > > > > > > > > and sanat ji who says they hav good command over

vedic

> > > > > > astrology

> > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > now says it is not in veda ,uapanishats or puranas

> > and it

> > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > humbug<<<<<<. So first of all please let me know

in

> > which

> > > > msg

> > > > > > or

> > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > which forum I claimed that I have a good command

over

> > > > Vedic

> > > > > > > > astrology

> > > > > > > > > > (for doing any prediction except for discussion).

You

> > can

> > > > > > imagine

> > > > > > > > > > that when I am studying astrology since last +35

> > years and

> > > > > > written

> > > > > > > > > > two original books than definitely I may be some

what

> > well

> > > > > > aware,

> > > > > > > > but

> > > > > > > > > > I have never exploited with any Vaak Patuta

> > (communication

> > > > > > skill)

> > > > > > > > or

> > > > > > > > > > by negative prediction or remedy circus and so on.

> > When I

> > > > am

> > > > > > > > saying

> > > > > > > > > > that it is not in Ved it means something. If you,

or

> > your

> > > > > > > > astrologer

> > > > > > > > > > or friends have some patience (other then their

> > business

> > > > > > interest)

> > > > > > > > > > then they can discuss it.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > So far your problem is concerned; I will like to

say

> > that

> > > > you

> > > > > > may

> > > > > > > > > > continue to loose your money as long as you have

> > money to

> > > > > > fill the

> > > > > > > > > > stomach of astrologers. No body on Earth can help

you

> > so

> > > > long

> > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > > > have no wisdom to analyze a problem. Remember,

> > problem it-

> > > > > > self is

> > > > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > > problem, it is our inability to find the proper

> > solution.

> > > > > > Planets

> > > > > > > > > > have nothing to do with your wife or your

problem. So

> > > > either

> > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > must

> > > > > > > > > > know the bottom side story or you may wander from

one

> > > > > > astrologer

> > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > another. When one astrologer will suggest some

remedy

> > > > another

> > > > > > will

> > > > > > > > > > suggest some another remedy. So continue with this

> > remedy

> > > > > > circus.

> > > > > > > > In

> > > > > > > > > > my opinion you are in need of a family counselor.

> > However,

> > > > > > you may

> > > > > > > > > > continue to take advice, whatever you think may be

> > > > beneficial

> > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > you.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Regarding >>>>> and i can see problems clearly in

his

> > > > chart

> > > > > > other

> > > > > > > > > > wise i am fed up with same mails of both of them

all

> > astro

> > > > > > > > > > forums<<<<<<< I will like to say that where you

find

> > my

> > > > chart

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > I

> > > > > > > > > > have neither asked you for my problem neither in

this

> > > > forum

> > > > > > nor in

> > > > > > > > > > any other forum, otherwise like Sh Harish JI, you

will

> > > > also

> > > > > > ask

> > > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > > fee. So far same msg is concerned, what can be

done if

> > > > every

> > > > > > > > member

> > > > > > > > > > like to have discussion from the very beginning

and

> > > > > > conveniently

> > > > > > > > > > observe silence just to show his greatness (but

they

> > are

> > > > more

> > > > > > > > > > interested in their business). I can only suggest

and

> > > > request

> > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > whenever you see my msg. you can simply skip it.

OK.

> > > > However,

> > > > > > I

> > > > > > > > find

> > > > > > > > > > that you have just joined our forum. So I am

unable to

> > > > > > understand

> > > > > > > > > > your observations.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Hope to read your msg. regularly.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Thanks,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Yours truly,

> > > > > > > > > > Sanat

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > > , " lion_draco1983 "

> > > > > > > > > > lion_draco1983@ wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > dear kaul ji and sanat ji

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > pls dee this chart according to vedic astrology

and

> > giv

> > > > us

> > > > > > ur

> > > > > > > > > > comments

> > > > > > > > > > > .let us get back to exprnce of a person than

> > excavating

> > > > for

> > > > > > so

> > > > > > > > > > called

> > > > > > > > > > > proofs as a culture which has gone tru various

> > turmoil

> > > > need

> > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > hav

> > > > > > > > > > all

> > > > > > > > > > > supporting documents .

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Now i am a student ( means not regular but arm

> > chair )

> > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > astrology .

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > see his moon dasa and see his debilated venus

and

> > its

> > > > > > aspect on

> > > > > > > > dasa

> > > > > > > > > > > Lord and his life exprnce

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > here is the post .

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > dear sir/madam

> > > > > > > > > > > PLEASE DO NOT GET OFFENDED AS I HAVE POSTED MY

> > PROBLEM

> > > > ON

> > > > > > HERE

> > > > > > > > > > BEFORE, I

> > > > > > > > > > > DO NOT

> > > > > > > > > > > MEAN ANY KIND OF OFFENCE OR AM I SAYING THAT

PEOPLE

> > WHO

> > > > HAVE

> > > > > > > > > > ADVISED ME

> > > > > > > > > > > BEFORE

> > > > > > > > > > > ARE WRONG OR NOT GENUINE, SOME OF YOU ARE RIGHT,

> > BUT MY

> > > > > > PLIGHT

> > > > > > > > IS

> > > > > > > > > > STILL

> > > > > > > > > > > THERE,

> > > > > > > > > > > AND I REPOST OUT OF FRUSTRATION.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > i have contact many dozens of astrologers, in

the

> > last

> > > > few

> > > > > > > > months

> > > > > > > > > > > because, my

> > > > > > > > > > > life is a still mess, i have lost my job, my

> > marriage

> > > > has

> > > > > > been a

> > > > > > > > > > mess

> > > > > > > > > > > and me and

> > > > > > > > > > > my wife dont talk and have not slept in the same

> > > > bedroom for

> > > > > > > > over

> > > > > > > > > > 10yrs,

> > > > > > > > > > > we are

> > > > > > > > > > > only together for sake of kids.,

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > i know abt my mahadasa and antradasa etc, but i

> > still

> > > > > > believe

> > > > > > > > > > things can

> > > > > > > > > > > be done

> > > > > > > > > > > here and now.

> > > > > > > > > > > all astrologers have told me so many different

> > things, i

> > > > > > have

> > > > > > > > paid

> > > > > > > > > > so

> > > > > > > > > > > much

> > > > > > > > > > > money,(in total i must of paid at least

3500pounds

> > in

> > > > the

> > > > > > last

> > > > > > > > > > 12months

> > > > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > poojas, yagnas and chart readings and advice

alone).

> > > > yet i

> > > > > > am no

> > > > > > > > > > better

> > > > > > > > > > > off in

> > > > > > > > > > > any respect,

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Â i have done many prayers to all sorts of

> planets

> > > and

> > > > > gods,

> > > > > > > i

> > > > > > > > > have

> > > > > > > > > > > been told to

> > > > > > > > > > > spend more money on gemstones which vary from

blue

> > > > > > sapphire, red

> > > > > > > > > > coral,

> > > > > > > > > > > pearl,

> > > > > > > > > > > emerald, and diamond,, i have been told such

things

> > as

> > > > > > shani or

> > > > > > > > > > rahu, or

> > > > > > > > > > > ketu,

> > > > > > > > > > > or sun or moon or jupiter or venus is affecting

me,

> > > > > > > > > > > or to pay to have more poojas and yagnas done, i

> > have

> > > > been

> > > > > > told

> > > > > > > > > > that i

> > > > > > > > > > > have been

> > > > > > > > > > > cursed, blackmagic, pitru curse, naag(cobra)

curse,

> > and

> > > > many

> > > > > > > > more

> > > > > > > > > > other

> > > > > > > > > > > things,

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > i have been told that i should pray to my weaker

> > > > (malefic)

> > > > > > > > planets to

> > > > > > > > > > > make them

> > > > > > > > > > > stronger, or that i should NOT pray to my weaker

> > > > (malefic)

> > > > > > > > planets,

> > > > > > > > > > as

> > > > > > > > > > > praying to

> > > > > > > > > > > them will cause more harm as i am making them

> > stronger

> > > > to

> > > > > > harm

> > > > > > > > me

> > > > > > > > > > more,

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > or that i should pray to my benefic planets to

make

> > them

> > > > > > even

> > > > > > > > > > stronger,

> > > > > > > > > > > or that

> > > > > > > > > > > i should NOT pray to them as they are stronger

> > anyway.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > I know there are many systems of looking at

> > charts!!!

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > i just need help, and the astrologer who help me

> > sort my

> > > > > > > > problems,

> > > > > > > > > > will

> > > > > > > > > > > see a

> > > > > > > > > > > share of my gains, as i will need guidance all

my

> > life.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Also should an astrologer/priest get paid

before any

> > > > > > results are

> > > > > > > > > > > shown??? its

> > > > > > > > > > > like paying a doctor before he has given you

> > medicine

> > > > which

> > > > > > > > works,

> > > > > > > > > > its

> > > > > > > > > > > like

> > > > > > > > > > > paying for machine to be repaired before you

know it

> > > > can be

> > > > > > > > > > repaired, or

> > > > > > > > > > > if the

> > > > > > > > > > > engineer has repaired it properly at all.(if you

> > know

> > > > what i

> > > > > > > > mean)

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > name divyesh parekh

> > > > > > > > > > > tob 18.28pm

> > > > > > > > > > > place mumbai india

> > > > > > > > > > > date 17th aug 1965

> > > > > > > > > > > been living in the uk since 1967

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > wifes name kamlash parekh

> > > > > > > > > > > tob 2200pm

> > > > > > > > > > > place birmingham, UK

> > > > > > > > > > > date 28 feb 1968

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > i want to truly know how to become wealthy and

> > happy in

> > > > my

> > > > > > > > > > marriage. I

> > > > > > > > > > > do

> > > > > > > > > > > believe a good astrologer/priest can tell me

how to

> > > > achieve

> > > > > > all

> > > > > > > > > > this,

> > > > > > > > > > > even if my

> > > > > > > > > > > charts do not show it now, its just knowing the

> > right

> > > > > > mantra,

> > > > > > > > right

> > > > > > > > > > > gemstone,

> > > > > > > > > > > right offering etc. thru the power of faith and

> > prayer

> > > > > > nothing

> > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > impossible. no

> > > > > > > > > > > matter what the charts say. its about having

belief

> > and

> > > > > > > > commitment.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Â we also live in a materialistic world and even

> god

> > > > > knows

> > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > i

> > > > > > > > > > > have

> > > > > > > > > > > responsibilities to my family etc, so i cant

spend

> > > > 15hours

> > > > > > a day

> > > > > > > > > > praying

> > > > > > > > > > > or

> > > > > > > > > > > spend all my money on poojas, yagnas etc.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > When i was young i knew a priest who could

achieve

> > > > > > anything,Â

> > > > > > > > but

> > > > > > > > > > he

> > > > > > > > > > > has died

> > > > > > > > > > > many years ago,(he never asked for a penny) i

saw

> > him

> > > > work

> > > > > > > > miracles

> > > > > > > > > > > myself, my

> > > > > > > > > > > parents told me he was favoured by maa kali.

and i

> > have

> > > > > > always

> > > > > > > > said

> > > > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > there

> > > > > > > > > > > must be another person like him on this planet,

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > i have been to many holy places like haridwar,

> > > > trirupati,

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > gayagi,

> > > > > > > > > > > and many

> > > > > > > > > > > more. but have only empty promises or con men.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > My faith in god will never be questioned. shiva,

> > vishnu,

> > > > > > brahma

> > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > maa

> > > > > > > > > > > shakti,

> > > > > > > > > > > and i will always believe in god, i will do my

> > prayers

> > > > till

> > > > > > i

> > > > > > > > die,

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > again apologies sincerely i do not wish to

offend,

> > but i

> > > > > > seek

> > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > one

> > > > > > > > > > > true

> > > > > > > > > > > person for me,(maybe my future guru)

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > regards

> > > > > > > > > > > divyesh

> > > > > > > > > > > vedic-

> > > > astrology/message/105854

> > > > > > > > > > > <vedic-

> > > > > > astrology/message/105854>

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > regrds VR

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>