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One of the greatest descriptions I ever heard about so-called 'Vedic' astrologywas by the great Indian Guru, His Holiness Maharishi Mahesh Yogi.He said that what made Jyotish or Vedic astrology special, vedic or true was the factthat it came from the consciousness cognitions of Vedic seers.After studying Jyotish now, myself for over 22 years I can say the most profound aspectof Jyotish is that it is true!I've never met a person who's chart doesn't fit them! Now, after 7,000 people I can saywith tremendous certainty that our chart's fit us.But, there is still a great need to bring astroogy into step with modern day science.But, that can be done in so many different ways.Take any of the ennumerable ideas of Jyotish and study people and see that these theoriesare in fact true.For example, Jyotish says the Moon represents each person's emotional, mental or feeling nature. This means how well the Moon's doing in our charts, determines how emotional mature or stable the person is.This would be completely easy to validate.Take 1,000 people and give them a battery of simple psychological questions and then, compare with the strength of Moon in each person's chart; and we'll find a very highscientific correlation.Even in my own example, of doing so many thousands of people, even though they weren'tstudied scientifically; they all each one of them, had an exact 1 to 1 correspondence betweentheir Moon's and their emotions!Sincerely,Mark Kincaidwww..com/markkincaid , "Avtar Krishen Kaul" <jyotirved wrote:>> WAVES-Vedic , Prem Sabhlok psabhlok@ wrote:> > > I do not know why it is called Vedic Astrology. May be I have missed > that mantra/hymn/Rik in Vedas which refers to Astrology (Jyotish > Vidya). Mantras relating to Astronomy, Algebra, physical sciences, > Medical sciences etc are there but about Astrology I could not find > any reference in Vedas. In Ramayana and Mahabharta which are Vedas > retold, also there is no reference to Astrology. Can any Vedic scholar > throw some light on this aspect? Some learned people have found that > astrology started in Greece as a hobby but not as a science. To my > understanding Vedas do not have even the concept of > auspicious/inauspicious time/period. > With kind regards,> P.K.Sabhlok> > > > waves-vedic@: jyotirved@: Sat, 27 Sep 2008 08:01:27 > +0000[WAVES-Vedic] Fwd: Re: "Vedic astrology" - the greatest > fraud on the Vedas! (reposted)> > > > > HinduCalendar , "Avtar Krishen Kaul" > <jyotirved@> wrote:Shri Ravilochananji,Namaskar!<I concur with your > views. NOwhere is it said in our epics or Puranas that the Kings or > Princes consulted astrologers before marriage. Neither did Lord Ram > consult an astrologer before taking part in the bow contest nor did > Lord Krishna went in search of astrologers before departing to carry > away Devi Rukmini.>The fad of kings consulting jyotishis was started > through his Brihat Samhita by Varahamihira who was the greatest > charlatan according to me since he could make "correct predictions > from incorect data" viz. panchangas based on Maya the mlechha's Surya > Sidhanta, the most monstrous astronomical work that could ever have > been produced by anybody! No wonder, "Vedic astrologers" of today vie > with one another for being called "Varahamihira" since they also can > make correct predictions ONLY from incorrect data!Regarding "Patri > Melapak", what is most ironic is that no "jyotisha shastra" right from > Sphujidwaja's yavana Jatakam to the most notorious fake work viz. > Brihat Parashari has touched this topic even with a barge pole, but > then today's "Vedic jyotishis" say that it was practised by Vedic > seers! My personal view is that if the seers had really indulged in > such a non-sense (actually the most cunning!) fad, almost all of them > would still have been looking for a spouse whose Patri would match > with theirs with at least 28 gunas!<It is high time that we gave up > the ancient Greek notion of astrology and get back to proper > astronomy.>This "Vedic astrology" has had such a deleterious affect on > the real Vedic culture that the words of the Gita are becoming most > meaningful these days:"adharmam dharmam it ya manyate tamsa > vritasarvarthan vipareetanshchai, budhih saa partha tamasi"i.e."an > intellect that views adharma as dharma (and dharma as adharma)besides > viewing all the things upside down, is the real Tamasic intellect".I > find that almost every Hindu is trying to defend "Vedic astrology" in > spite of the fact that it has been made clear to them by now that it > is because of that very fad that we are celebrating all our festivals > and muhurtas on worng days, but their arguments are really tamasic---> like "I do not know much about astronomy (and by implication it means > that he/she knows everything about astrology though!)" is the stock > reply of most of them. All the Hindus are now a days least bothered > about celebrating Pitra-Amavasya on the day of actual Dipavali which > is on September 28, 2008, but they do not want to hear even a single > word against "Vedic astrology"! They celebrated marriages in actual > Pitrapaksha because "Vedic astrologes" had okayed those dates! What is > surprising is that in spite of being well read, most of the Hindus > have lost all sense of basic Primary school level geography!They have > become oblivious of the fact that Uttarayana cannot take place on any > other day than the shortest day of the year or Dakshinayana except on > the longest day of the year! But they have put wool into their ears > for such phenomena since "Vedic astrologers" want them to celebrate > Uttarayana on January 15 and Dakshinayana on July 15 and so on!In > short, most of the Hindu society appears to have become clones of Maya > the mlechha just because of their fatal infatuation with "Vedic > astrology"! And that is the real Tamasic Vriti that I am talking > about!However, since, AS IS EVIDENT FROM YOUR POST, Hindus are > basically the offspring of real Vamadevas instead of "imported > Vamadevas", sooner than later the genome of Vedic seers will revolt > against this tyranny of "Vedic astrologers" and thereby prevent the > Hindu culture from having an akalamrityu, INSPITE OF "VEDIC > ASTROLOGERS"!With regards,AvtarHinduCalendar , > "Ravilochanan" <ravilochan_tn@> wrote:>> Dear Shri Avtar> > Pranaam! I > concur with your views. NOwhere is it said in our epics or > Puranas > that the Kings or Princes consulted astrologers before > marriage. > Neither did Lord Ram consult an astrologer before taking > part in the > bow contest nor did Lord Krishna went in search of > astrologers > before departing to carry away Devi Rukmini. This > practice of > matching kundli has reached absurd proportions. Our > dharma speaks > about doing our duty without concern for the fruits. > Doing what is > right is the most important issue. Karma phal will > finally reach us. > One's karmaphal will not suddenly turn into good > all of a sudden > just because a kundli got matched. It doesn't make > any sense. The > Gita does not speak about jyotish phal. It only speaks > about karma > phal. My heart bleeds upon seeing some orthodox Hindus > who have > nearly mastered the aspect of Karma Yoga but still visit the > > astrologer with kundlis during marriage just because their parents > > had (wrongly) taught them so. They believe it to be an integral part > > of Vedic culture. It is high time that we gave up the ancient Greek > > notion of astrology and get back to proper astronomy.> > humbly> > Ravilochanan> > > HinduCalendar , "Avtar Krishen > Kaul" > <jyotirved@> wrote:> >> > Shri Arul Thilak ji,> > Namaskar!> > > > > You have said> > < As to how the last Hindu kingdom was lost in > the 21st century,> > the following excerpts of Tarun Vijay's recent > essay are > revealing.>> > > > It is immaterial as to who says what! > In a democracy, everybody is> > "authorized" to say anything about > anybody or any event, especially > if> > the person concerned is a > journalist! We have, however, to > ascertain> > facts for ourselves by > sifting grain from the chaff and go by them!> > > > You have quoted me > as saying> > <Our erstwhile Hindu neighbouring country is a glaring > > > example of its "suicide" because of an extraordinary infatuation > > > for "Vedic astrology".> > > and there is enough of correspondence on > this topic in this forum!> > > > To summarize the facts, one has just > to recall the tragic event of > the> > erstwhile crown-prince shooting > dead his parents---the then king and> > queen---and then himself, only > because his parents would not allow > him> > to marry his sweet heart! > And the parents did not allow that > marriage> > as the "Vedic > astrologers" there had said that the horoscope of the> > crown-prince > and his sweet heart did not match and it would bode ill> > for the > king and the queen if that marriage was allowed!> > And by now it is a > well established fact that "Vedic astrologers" > only> > predict the > events upside down, if the data like the date and time > of> > birth > etc. of the "native" are correct, since they can make correct> > > predictions only from incorrect data! Thus instead of advising the> > > then king and queen to solemnize the marriage of the crown prince > > with> > his sweet heart---she was also from a royal family of India---> -as> > otherwise he would go mad, they just advised to the contrary! > And > the> > results are there for everybody to see! It is worthwhile > to put on> > record here that if it had been the earlier monarch, who > was shot > dead> > by his own son, still ruling Nepal, the things > would have been> > entirely different and would not have come to such > a stage. > > > > Same was the case with BJP! If they had not advance > the last > General> > Election by several months, the chances were > that they would have> > gained a majority by planning their moves > properly and would still > be> > ruling today! But they believed more > in "Vedic astrology" than their> > own drum-beating of "India > shining". Even on the day the results of> > the last election were > declared, all the channels and newspapers > were> > crying from > housetops that as per all the jyotishis, A B Vajpayee> > would be the > PM, irrespective of which party gained majority! > However,> > the > BJP's faith in "Vedic astrology" ruined everything for them and> > > poor A B Vajpayee, instead of being crowned the king again, has > > become> > completely bedridden, a sad fact that no astrologer had > foreseen!> > > > You have also said> > < It (Nepal) faithfully follows > a Vikram Samvat calendar based on > the> > most scientific Hindu > system of time and space.  >> > > > On this topic also, there is a > lot of correspondence with> > IndiaArchaeology forum etc. that is > available in this forum as > well. > > Again, instead of going by who > is saying what, pl. peruse that> > correspondence and then let me know > as to whether there is any> > "scientific basis" of 58 BC being called > as Vikrami era is! If at > all> > it has any scientific basis, it is > based on the passage of the VE > from> > one Greek constellation Aries > into another Greek constellation i.e.> > Pisces in around 66 BCE! And > nobody knows why and by whom and when > it> > was named "Vikrami > Era".> > > > I have also made it clear literally hundreds of times > that my > aversion> > towards "Vedic astrology" is because of the fact > that it is > actually a> > fraud on the Vedas and also a drag on Hindu > society, since it is > this> > very fad that is making us see adharma > of celebrating all our> > festivals and muhurtas on wrong days as > dharma! Same is the case > with> > the all out defense by some people > of the farce known as "Vedic> > astrology"---they are actually > defending adharma in the name of > dharma!> > Hope the situation is > clear now.> > Regards,> > AKK> > > > > > > > > HinduCalendar , Arul T <arul_thilak@> wrote:> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > 1.  Sri Avtar-ji says as follows:> > >  > > > > QUOTE> > > Our erstwhile Hindu neighbouring country is a glaring > > > > example of its "suicide" because of an extraordinary infatuation > > > > for "Vedic astrology". So is the example of the BJP which had > > > > an "akalamrityu" by advanding the last election by several months > > on > > > the advice of its "Minister of Astrology"!> > > UNQUOTE> > > > > > >  > > >  > > > As to how the last Hindu kingdom was lost > in the 21st century,> > the following excerpts of Tarun Vijay's recent > essay are > revealing. > > How, in particular, Hindu religious > discourse was impoverished and> > limited to ritualism: > > >  > > > >> > http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/msid-> 3482408,prtpage-> 1.cms > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > THE RIGHT VIEW > > > > > > > > > > > > Learn Chinese to know > Kathmandu> > > 14 Sep 2008, 1640 hrs IST, Tarun Vijay > > > > > >  > > > > QUOTE> > > ..... Younger Nepal turned the tide in favour of a > change with a> > balance. Kingdom's Hindu status was meaningless as it > failed to> > strengthen the democratic roots and provide food, water > and > education> > to the rural poor. Pro-Monarchy people couldn't > establish their> > credibility - they thrived on an anti-India note > and kept religious> > affairs bound to the personal loyalty to the > King which meant no> > spiritual insurgence could take shape and the > religious discourse> > remained limited to ritualism. No strong > nationalist spiritual > fervour> > was allowed as King felt threatened > hence no tears were seen at the> > demise of its Hindu nation status > and the abolition of > monarchy. ....> > >  > > > When the rulers > turn corrupt and abuse peoples' faith and trust,> > public unrest and > angst gets expressed in different ways. Nepal saw > it> > happen in > the form of a Maoism that prided to declare it's all the> > sources of > inspiration and support to the neighbouring Communist> > China. > .......> > >  > > > Prachanda took oath as the first Prime Minister > of this tiny> > Himalayan federal republic, once the only Hindu State > on this > planet,> > in the name of the 'people of Nepal '. > > > > > > > Earlier all the PMs had sworn in, invoking God's name. He chose to> > > wear a western dress, three piece suite with a necktie. Earlier> > > everyone had worn a Nepalese traditional dress called Daura Suruwal.> > > He also became the first PM not to visit Pashupati Nath, as has > been> > the tradition of all the Nepalese leaders and he chose to > visit > China> > first, again a new precedence, although our PM Dr > Manmohan Singh was> > the first head of the state to congratulate > Prachanda and invite him> > to visit India within half-an-hour of his > election to the post. > > > UNQUOTE> > >  > > >  > > > The Nepali > monarchy also had a Rajaguru :> > >  > > > > > > > http://www.hinduonnet.com/2002/06/27/stories/2002062703860100.htm> > > > Jun 27, 2002 > > >  > > > Good news in 3 months: Kanchi Acharya > > > > By Our Special Correspondent > > >  > > > > > > > > > NEW DELHI JUNE > 26. The Kanchi Sankaracharya, Jayendra Saraswati, > who> > met the > Prime Minister, Atal Behari Vajpayee, and the Vice-> President,> > > Krishan Kant, today asserted that he would continue with his> > > independent initiative to try and find a solution to the Ayodhya> > > problem that would be agreeable to both the parties involved. He> > > expected "good news'' within two or three months. > > >  > > > > During the day, the King of Nepal, Gyanendra, performed `pada > puja'> > > at the feet of Adi Sankara at the Kamakshi temple, which is also > the> > place where the Kanchi seer stays when he is here. The King was > with> > the Queen, Komal Rajyalaxmi, and their daughter, Prerna > Rajyalaxmi,> > and the `puja' was performed in the presence of the > Sankaracharya > who> > is also the `rajguru' of Nepal. Earlier, he had > clarified that his> > current visit to the capital was connected with > King Gyanendra's> > desire to meet him. > > >  > > >  > > > 2. > Tarun Vijay's essay also mentions:> > >  > > > QUOTE> > > It (Nepal) > faithfully follows a Vikram Samvat calendar based on > the> > most > scientific Hindu system of time and space.  > > > UNQUOTE> > > > > > >  > > >  > > > --- On Thu, 25/9/08, Avtar Krishen Kaul <jyotirved@> > wrote:> > > > > > Avtar Krishen Kaul <jyotirved@>> > > > [akandabaratam] Fwd: Re: "Vedic astrology" - the greatest> > fraud on > the Vedas! (reposted)> > > akandabaratam > > > Thursday, 25 September, 2008, 12:39 AM> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hinducivilization, "Avtar > Krishen Kaul" > > > <jyotirved@ ..> wrote:> > > > > > Dear Shri > Bhadraiah Mallampalliji,> > > Namaskar!> > > I would request you to > kindly go through your own post once again.> > > > > > Can you pick > even a single cogent reason from your own points as > to > > > why we > should continue to follow the fraud known as Vedic > astrology, > > > > which is neither scientific, nor logical, least of all Vedic, > > > > instead of celebrating our festivals and muhurtas on correct > days, > > > > as advised by our shastras, logic and science--since > > > > Uttarayana/Dakshina yana/Vasanta Sampat/Hemanta Sampat etc. are > all > > > > phenomena of seasons and therefore scientific! Similarly, all > the > > > Vedas and Puranas have fixed certain days for rituals! E.g., > > > > Nirjala Ekadashi is a sort of Tapasya only if we observe it in > > > > Summer, when we feel most thirsty, whereas in Winter, it is > > hardly > > > worthwhile! And that is what we will be doing after a few > > centuries-> > > -celebrating that day in Winter--thanks to "Vedic > astrologers" > and > > > their "Vedic astrology"> > > > > >> >>--- End > forwarded message --- > > > > > > _______________> Movies, sports & news! Get your daily entertainment fix, only on > live.com> http://www.live.com/?scope=video & form=MICOAL> > --- End forwarded message --->