Fwd: Vedic astrology - the greatest fraud on the Vedas! (reposted)

[Guest guest]

hinducivilization , " Avtar Krishen Kaul "

<jyotirved wrote:

 

Dear Shri Bhadraiah Mallampalliji,

Namaskar!

I would request you to kindly go through your own post once again.

 

Can you pick even a single cogent reason from your own points as to

why we should continue to follow the fraud known as Vedic astrology,

which is neither scientific, nor logical, least of all Vedic,

instead of celebrating our festivals and muhurtas on correct days,

as advised by our shastras, logic and science--since

Uttarayana/Dakshinayana/Vasanta Sampat/Hemanta Sampat etc. are all

phenomena of seasons and therefore scientific! Similarly, all the

Vedas and Puranas have fixed certain days for rituals! E.g.,

Nirjala Ekadashi is a sort of Tapasya only if we observe it in

Summer, when we feel most thirsty, whereas in Winter, it is hardly

worthwhile! And that is what we will be doing after a few centuries-

-celebrating that day in Winter--thanks to " Vedic astrologers " and

their " Vedic astrology "

 

One of your questions is even hilarious! You have said

<When Vedic yajna kanda says if vashat call is given at wrong time

some mishap happens, yajamana's son may die, did it happen really?>

 

My counter question is: If you have no faith in celebrating

festivals and muhurtas on correct days, why celebrate them at all,

since if no harm has come by celebating them on wrong days,

certainly, no harm will come by not celebrating them at all! Why

waste your precious time and energy and money in celebrating them at

all?

 

Another counter question is: Since you are defending " Vedic

astrology " with all the might at your command, can you quote any

instances where it has done any good to any nation or country? On

the other hand, we have instances galore where it has done the

maximum harm: Our erstwhile Hindu neighbouring country is a glaring

example of its " suicide " because of an extraordinary infatuation

for " Vedic astrology " . So is the example of the BJP which had

an " akalamrityu " by advanding the last election by several months on

the advice of its " Minister of Astrology " !

 

Similar was the case with " the greatest Vedic astrologer of

twentieth century " ---he overestimated his own life span on the basis

of " Vedic astrology " and instead of making preparations for

Yamaloka, he planned, on the basis of his " cherished science " , to

deliver a lecture on " Astrology as a guide to preventing heart

attacks " but he met an " astrologically " unscheduled end and that

also because of " cardiac arrest! " ! His jyotisha magazine also has

got stopped completely--that " event " also was not foreseen by

any " Vedic astrologer " ---since his own offspring fought among

themselves like Kilkenny cats over the spoils of the " Vedic jyotisha

empire " . And mind you, all his offspring were " top notch Vedic

astrologers " and even " Vastu experts " as per their own claims in

that very defunct magazine!

 

Then another " Vedic astrologer " of repute made a fool of himself by

declaring that a genetleman of Betul would die at 4-30 pm on a

particular date abouit two years back, but unfortunately for

that " Vedic astrologer " , that Betul man is still going strong!

 

Of course, these are just tips of iceberg and God only knows what

damage has been done by dint of " Vedic astrology " to the nation

otherwise!

Is that the " benevolent " aspect of " Vedic astrology " you are talking

about and defending?

The most glaring damage it has done is that our budhi has become

Tamasik---we have become " budhi brashta " since we have started

viewing the adharma of celebrating all our festivals and muhurtas on

wrong days as the real dharma and simultaneously calling and

defending those predictive gimmikcs that compel us to celebrate our

festivals etc. on wrong days as " Vedic astrology " !

I do not know what other " beneficial results " you are expecting

from " Vedic astrology " !

With regards,

A K Kaul

 

 

hinducivilization , " Bhadraiah Mallampalli "

<vaidix@> wrote:

>

> Dear Shri Avtar Krishen Kaul,

>

> >Let them quote even a single mantra from any of the Vedas or a

> >single shloka from any of the Puranas or any other shastra which

has

> >advised us to consult some soothsayer before embarking on any

plan!

>

> Agreed. Vedic yajnas are done based on " knowledge " of what needs to

> be done.

>

> > " Vedic astrology " wants us to do some " Upay " to gain something

> >whether we deserve it or not!

>

> Can you deny yajnas (are done) to get benefits?

>

> > " Vedic astrology " is thus a drag on the society since there is

> >nothing on record to show that it has done any good to the

country:

>

> When Vedic yajna kanda says if vashat call is given at wrong time

> some mishap happens, yajamana's son may die, did it happen really?

>

> My contention is that the Vedic jyotisha is an imitation (a kind of

> poor imitation) of the Vedic practice.

>

> Yes I agree the top politicians should move away from Jyotish to

> Mahabhisheka, Rajasuya, Ashwamedha etc.

>

> Also agree about nakshatravda. Satapatha.Br says na-kshatras are

> those who had lost their kshatra. Why go after them, when Indra is

> the person who grants Mahabhisheka?

>

> Regards

> Bhadraiah

>

 

--- End forwarded message ---

[Guest guest]

HinduCalendar , " Avtar Krishen Kaul "

<jyotirved wrote:

 

Shri Arul Thilak ji,

Namaskar!

 

You have said

< As to how the last Hindu kingdom was lost in the 21st century,

the following excerpts of Tarun Vijay's recent essay are revealing.>

 

It is immaterial as to who says what! In a democracy, everybody is

" authorized " to say anything about anybody or any event, especially

if

the person concerned is a journalist! We have, however, to ascertain

facts for ourselves by sifting grain from the chaff and go by them!

 

You have quoted me as saying

<Our erstwhile Hindu neighbouring country is a glaring

example of its " suicide " because of an extraordinary infatuation

for " Vedic astrology " .>

and there is enough of correspondence on this topic in this forum!

 

To summarize the facts, one has just to recall the tragic event of

the

erstwhile crown-prince shooting dead his parents---the then king and

queen---and then himself, only because his parents would not allow

him

to marry his sweet heart! And the parents did not allow that

marriage

as the " Vedic astrologers " there had said that the horoscope of the

crown-prince and his sweet heart did not match and it would bode ill

for the king and the queen if that marriage was allowed!

And by now it is a well established fact that " Vedic astrologers "

only

predict the events upside down, if the data like the date and time of

birth etc. of the " native " are correct, since they can make correct

predictions only from incorrect data! Thus instead of advising the

then king and queen to solemnize the marriage of the crown prince

with

his sweet heart---she was also from a royal family of India----as

otherwise he would go mad, they just advised to the contrary! And

the

results are there for everybody to see! It is worthwhile to put on

record here that if it had been the earlier monarch, who was shot

dead

by his own son, still ruling Nepal, the things would have been

entirely different and would not have come to such a stage.

 

Same was the case with BJP! If they had not advance the last General

Election by several months, the chances were that they would have

gained a majority by planning their moves properly and would still be

ruling today! But they believed more in " Vedic astrology " than their

own drum-beating of " India shining " . Even on the day the results of

the last election were declared, all the channels and newspapers were

crying from housetops that as per all the jyotishis, A B Vajpayee

would be the PM, irrespective of which party gained majority!

However,

the BJP's faith in " Vedic astrology " ruined everything for them and

poor A B Vajpayee, instead of being crowned the king again, has

become

completely bedridden, a sad fact that no astrologer had foreseen!

 

You have also said

< It (Nepal) faithfully follows a Vikram Samvat calendar based on the

most scientific Hindu system of time and space.  >

 

On this topic also, there is a lot of correspondence with

IndiaArchaeology forum etc. that is available in this forum as well.

Again, instead of going by who is saying what, pl. peruse that

correspondence and then let me know as to whether there is any

" scientific basis " of 58 BC being called as Vikrami era is! If at

all

it has any scientific basis, it is based on the passage of the VE

from

one Greek constellation Aries into another Greek constellation i.e.

Pisces in around 66 BCE! And nobody knows why and by whom and when

it

was named " Vikrami Era " .

 

I have also made it clear literally hundreds of times that my

aversion

towards " Vedic astrology " is because of the fact that it is actually

a

fraud on the Vedas and also a drag on Hindu society, since it is this

very fad that is making us see adharma of celebrating all our

festivals and muhurtas on wrong days as dharma! Same is the case

with

the all out defense by some people of the farce known as " Vedic

astrology " ---they are actually defending adharma in the name of

dharma!

Hope the situation is clear now.

Regards,

AKK

 

 

 

HinduCalendar , Arul T <arul_thilak@> wrote:

>

>

>

>

>  

> 1.   Sri Avtar-ji says as follows:

>  

> QUOTE

> Our erstwhile Hindu neighbouring country is a glaring

> example of its " suicide " because of an extraordinary infatuation

> for " Vedic astrology " . So is the example of the BJP which had

> an " akalamrityu " by advanding the last election by several months

on

> the advice of its " Minister of Astrology " !

> UNQUOTE

>

>  

>  

> As to how the last Hindu kingdom was lost in the 21st century,

the following excerpts of Tarun Vijay's recent essay are

revealing. 

How, in particular, Hindu religious discourse was impoverished and

limited to ritualism:

>  

>

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/msid-3482408,prtpage-

1.cms

>  

>

>

>

>

>

> THE RIGHT VIEW

>

>

>

> Learn Chinese to know Kathmandu

> 14 Sep 2008, 1640 hrs IST, Tarun Vijay

>

>  

> QUOTE

> ..... Younger Nepal turned the tide in favour of a change with a

balance. Kingdom's Hindu status was meaningless as it failed to

strengthen the democratic roots and provide food, water and education

to the rural poor. Pro-Monarchy people couldn't establish their

credibility - they thrived on an anti-India note and kept religious

affairs bound to the personal loyalty to the King which meant no

spiritual insurgence could take shape and the religious discourse

remained limited to ritualism. No strong nationalist spiritual

fervour

was allowed as King felt threatened hence no tears were seen at the

demise of its Hindu nation status and the abolition of monarchy. ....

>  

> When the rulers turn corrupt and abuse peoples' faith and trust,

public unrest and angst gets expressed in different ways. Nepal saw

it

happen in the form of a Maoism that prided to declare it's all the

sources of inspiration and support to the neighbouring Communist

China. .......

>  

> Prachanda took oath as the first Prime Minister of this tiny

Himalayan federal republic, once the only Hindu State on this planet,

in the name of the 'people of Nepal '.

>

> Earlier all the PMs had sworn in, invoking God's name. He chose to

wear a western dress, three piece suite with a necktie. Earlier

everyone had worn a Nepalese traditional dress called Daura Suruwal.

He also became the first PM not to visit Pashupati Nath, as has been

the tradition of all the Nepalese leaders and he chose to visit China

first, again a new precedence, although our PM Dr Manmohan Singh was

the first head of the state to congratulate Prachanda and invite him

to visit India within half-an-hour of his election to the post.

> UNQUOTE

>  

>  

> The Nepali monarchy also had a Rajaguru :

>  

>

> http://www.hinduonnet.com/2002/06/27/stories/2002062703860100.htm

> Jun 27, 2002

>  

> Good news in 3 months: Kanchi Acharya

> By Our Special Correspondent

>  

>

>

> NEW DELHI JUNE 26. The Kanchi Sankaracharya, Jayendra Saraswati,

who

met the Prime Minister, Atal Behari Vajpayee, and the Vice-President,

Krishan Kant, today asserted that he would continue with his

independent initiative to try and find a solution to the Ayodhya

problem that would be agreeable to both the parties involved. He

expected " good news'' within two or three months.

>  

> During the day, the King of Nepal, Gyanendra, performed `pada puja'

at the feet of Adi Sankara at the Kamakshi temple, which is also the

place where the Kanchi seer stays when he is here. The King was with

the Queen, Komal Rajyalaxmi, and their daughter, Prerna Rajyalaxmi,

and the `puja' was performed in the presence of the Sankaracharya who

is also the `rajguru' of Nepal. Earlier, he had clarified that his

current visit to the capital was connected with King Gyanendra's

desire to meet him.

>  

>  

> 2.  Tarun Vijay's essay also mentions:

>  

> QUOTE

> It (Nepal) faithfully follows a Vikram Samvat calendar based on the

most scientific Hindu system of time and space.  

> UNQUOTE

>

>  

>  

> --- On Thu, 25/9/08, Avtar Krishen Kaul <jyotirved@> wrote:

>

> Avtar Krishen Kaul <jyotirved@>

> [akandabaratam] Fwd: Re: " Vedic astrology " - the greatest

fraud on the Vedas! (reposted)

> akandabaratam

> Thursday, 25 September, 2008, 12:39 AM

hinducivilization, " Avtar Krishen Kaul "

> <jyotirved@ ..> wrote:

>

> Dear Shri Bhadraiah Mallampalliji,

> Namaskar!

> I would request you to kindly go through your own post once again.

>

> Can you pick even a single cogent reason from your own points as

to

> why we should continue to follow the fraud known as Vedic

astrology,

> which is neither scientific, nor logical, least of all Vedic,

> instead of celebrating our festivals and muhurtas on correct days,

> as advised by our shastras, logic and science--since

> Uttarayana/Dakshina yana/Vasanta Sampat/Hemanta Sampat etc. are

all

> phenomena of seasons and therefore scientific! Similarly, all the

> Vedas and Puranas have fixed certain days for rituals! E.g.,

> Nirjala Ekadashi is a sort of Tapasya only if we observe it in

> Summer, when we feel most thirsty, whereas in Winter, it is hardly

> worthwhile! And that is what we will be doing after a few

centuries-

> -celebrating that day in Winter--thanks to " Vedic astrologers " and

> their " Vedic astrology "

>

>

 

--- End forwarded message ---

[Guest guest]

, " Avtar Krishen Kaul "

<jyotirved wrote:

 

HinduCalendar , " Avtar Krishen Kaul "

<jyotirved@> wrote:

 

Shri Arul Thilak ji,

Namaskar!

 

You have said

< As to how the last Hindu kingdom was lost in the 21st century,

the following excerpts of Tarun Vijay's recent essay are revealing.>

 

It is immaterial as to who says what! In a democracy, everybody is

" authorized " to say anything about anybody or any event, especially

if

the person concerned is a journalist! We have, however, to ascertain

facts for ourselves by sifting grain from the chaff and go by them!

 

You have quoted me as saying

<Our erstwhile Hindu neighbouring country is a glaring

example of its " suicide " because of an extraordinary infatuation

for " Vedic astrology " .>

and there is enough of correspondence on this topic in this forum!

 

To summarize the facts, one has just to recall the tragic event of

the

erstwhile crown-prince shooting dead his parents---the then king and

queen---and then himself, only because his parents would not allow

him

to marry his sweet heart! And the parents did not allow that

marriage

as the " Vedic astrologers " there had said that the horoscope of the

crown-prince and his sweet heart did not match and it would bode ill

for the king and the queen if that marriage was allowed!

And by now it is a well established fact that " Vedic astrologers "

only

predict the events upside down, if the data like the date and time of

birth etc. of the " native " are correct, since they can make correct

predictions only from incorrect data! Thus instead of advising the

then king and queen to solemnize the marriage of the crown prince

with

his sweet heart---she was also from a royal family of India----as

otherwise he would go mad, they just advised to the contrary! And

the

results are there for everybody to see! It is worthwhile to put on

record here that if it had been the earlier monarch, who was shot

dead

by his own son, still ruling Nepal, the things would have been

entirely different and would not have come to such a stage.

 

Same was the case with BJP! If they had not advance the last General

Election by several months, the chances were that they would have

gained a majority by planning their moves properly and would still be

ruling today! But they believed more in " Vedic astrology " than their

own drum-beating of " India shining " . Even on the day the results of

the last election were declared, all the channels and newspapers were

crying from housetops that as per all the jyotishis, A B Vajpayee

would be the PM, irrespective of which party gained majority!

However,

the BJP's faith in " Vedic astrology " ruined everything for them and

poor A B Vajpayee, instead of being crowned the king again, has

become

completely bedridden, a sad fact that no astrologer had foreseen!

 

You have also said

< It (Nepal) faithfully follows a Vikram Samvat calendar based on the

most scientific Hindu system of time and space.  >

 

On this topic also, there is a lot of correspondence with

IndiaArchaeology forum etc. that is available in this forum as well.

Again, instead of going by who is saying what, pl. peruse that

correspondence and then let me know as to whether there is any

" scientific basis " of 58 BC being called as Vikrami era is! If at

all

it has any scientific basis, it is based on the passage of the VE

from

one Greek constellation Aries into another Greek constellation i.e.

Pisces in around 66 BCE! And nobody knows why and by whom and when

it

was named " Vikrami Era " .

 

I have also made it clear literally hundreds of times that my

aversion

towards " Vedic astrology " is because of the fact that it is actually

a

fraud on the Vedas and also a drag on Hindu society, since it is this

very fad that is making us see adharma of celebrating all our

festivals and muhurtas on wrong days as dharma! Same is the case

with

the all out defense by some people of the farce known as " Vedic

astrology " ---they are actually defending adharma in the name of

dharma!

Hope the situation is clear now.

Regards,

AKK

 

 

 

HinduCalendar , Arul T <arul_thilak@> wrote:

>

>

>

>

>  

> 1.   Sri Avtar-ji says as follows:

>  

> QUOTE

> Our erstwhile Hindu neighbouring country is a glaring

> example of its " suicide " because of an extraordinary infatuation

> for " Vedic astrology " . So is the example of the BJP which had

> an " akalamrityu " by advanding the last election by several months

on

> the advice of its " Minister of Astrology " !

> UNQUOTE

>

>  

>  

> As to how the last Hindu kingdom was lost in the 21st century,

the following excerpts of Tarun Vijay's recent essay are

revealing. 

How, in particular, Hindu religious discourse was impoverished and

limited to ritualism:

>  

>

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/msid-3482408,prtpage-

1.cms

>  

>

>

>

>

>

> THE RIGHT VIEW

>

>

>

> Learn Chinese to know Kathmandu

> 14 Sep 2008, 1640 hrs IST, Tarun Vijay

>

>  

> QUOTE

> ..... Younger Nepal turned the tide in favour of a change with a

balance. Kingdom's Hindu status was meaningless as it failed to

strengthen the democratic roots and provide food, water and education

to the rural poor. Pro-Monarchy people couldn't establish their

credibility - they thrived on an anti-India note and kept religious

affairs bound to the personal loyalty to the King which meant no

spiritual insurgence could take shape and the religious discourse

remained limited to ritualism. No strong nationalist spiritual

fervour

was allowed as King felt threatened hence no tears were seen at the

demise of its Hindu nation status and the abolition of monarchy. ....

>  

> When the rulers turn corrupt and abuse peoples' faith and trust,

public unrest and angst gets expressed in different ways. Nepal saw

it

happen in the form of a Maoism that prided to declare it's all the

sources of inspiration and support to the neighbouring Communist

China. .......

>  

> Prachanda took oath as the first Prime Minister of this tiny

Himalayan federal republic, once the only Hindu State on this planet,

in the name of the 'people of Nepal '.

>

> Earlier all the PMs had sworn in, invoking God's name. He chose to

wear a western dress, three piece suite with a necktie. Earlier

everyone had worn a Nepalese traditional dress called Daura Suruwal.

He also became the first PM not to visit Pashupati Nath, as has been

the tradition of all the Nepalese leaders and he chose to visit China

first, again a new precedence, although our PM Dr Manmohan Singh was

the first head of the state to congratulate Prachanda and invite him

to visit India within half-an-hour of his election to the post.

> UNQUOTE

>  

>  

> The Nepali monarchy also had a Rajaguru :

>  

>

> http://www.hinduonnet.com/2002/06/27/stories/2002062703860100.htm

> Jun 27, 2002

>  

> Good news in 3 months: Kanchi Acharya

> By Our Special Correspondent

>  

>

>

> NEW DELHI JUNE 26. The Kanchi Sankaracharya, Jayendra Saraswati,

who

met the Prime Minister, Atal Behari Vajpayee, and the Vice-President,

Krishan Kant, today asserted that he would continue with his

independent initiative to try and find a solution to the Ayodhya

problem that would be agreeable to both the parties involved. He

expected " good news'' within two or three months.

>  

> During the day, the King of Nepal, Gyanendra, performed `pada puja'

at the feet of Adi Sankara at the Kamakshi temple, which is also the

place where the Kanchi seer stays when he is here. The King was with

the Queen, Komal Rajyalaxmi, and their daughter, Prerna Rajyalaxmi,

and the `puja' was performed in the presence of the Sankaracharya who

is also the `rajguru' of Nepal. Earlier, he had clarified that his

current visit to the capital was connected with King Gyanendra's

desire to meet him.

>  

>  

> 2.  Tarun Vijay's essay also mentions:

>  

> QUOTE

> It (Nepal) faithfully follows a Vikram Samvat calendar based on the

most scientific Hindu system of time and space.  

> UNQUOTE

>

>  

>  

> --- On Thu, 25/9/08, Avtar Krishen Kaul <jyotirved@> wrote:

>

> Avtar Krishen Kaul <jyotirved@>

> [akandabaratam] Fwd: Re: " Vedic astrology " - the greatest

fraud on the Vedas! (reposted)

> akandabaratam

> Thursday, 25 September, 2008, 12:39 AM

hinducivilization, " Avtar Krishen Kaul "

> <jyotirved@ ..> wrote:

>

> Dear Shri Bhadraiah Mallampalliji,

> Namaskar!

> I would request you to kindly go through your own post once again.

>

> Can you pick even a single cogent reason from your own points as

to

> why we should continue to follow the fraud known as Vedic

astrology,

> which is neither scientific, nor logical, least of all Vedic,

> instead of celebrating our festivals and muhurtas on correct days,

> as advised by our shastras, logic and science--since

> Uttarayana/Dakshina yana/Vasanta Sampat/Hemanta Sampat etc. are

all

> phenomena of seasons and therefore scientific! Similarly, all the

> Vedas and Puranas have fixed certain days for rituals! E.g.,

> Nirjala Ekadashi is a sort of Tapasya only if we observe it in

> Summer, when we feel most thirsty, whereas in Winter, it is hardly

> worthwhile! And that is what we will be doing after a few

centuries-

> -celebrating that day in Winter--thanks to " Vedic astrologers " and

> their " Vedic astrology "

>

>

 

--- End forwarded message ---

 

--- End forwarded message ---

[Guest guest]

HinduCalendar , " Ravilochanan "

<ravilochan_tn wrote:

 

Dear Shri Avtar

 

Pranaam! I concur with your views. NOwhere is it said in our epics

or

Puranas that the Kings or Princes consulted astrologers before

marriage. Neither did Lord Ram consult an astrologer before taking

part in the bow contest nor did Lord Krishna went in search of

astrologers before departing to carry away Devi Rukmini. This

practice of matching kundli has reached absurd proportions. Our

dharma speaks about doing our duty without concern for the fruits.

Doing what is right is the most important issue. Karma phal will

finally reach us. One's karmaphal will not suddenly turn into good

all of a sudden just because a kundli got matched. It doesn't make

any sense. The Gita does not speak about jyotish phal. It only

speaks

about karma phal. My heart bleeds upon seeing some orthodox Hindus

who have nearly mastered the aspect of Karma Yoga but still visit

the

astrologer with kundlis during marriage just because their parents

had (wrongly) taught them so. They believe it to be an integral part

of Vedic culture. It is high time that we gave up the ancient Greek

notion of astrology and get back to proper astronomy.

 

humbly

Ravilochanan

 

 

HinduCalendar , " Avtar Krishen Kaul "

<jyotirved@> wrote:

>

> Shri Arul Thilak ji,

> Namaskar!

>

> You have said

> < As to how the last Hindu kingdom was lost in the 21st century,

> the following excerpts of Tarun Vijay's recent essay are

revealing.>

>

> It is immaterial as to who says what! In a democracy, everybody is

> " authorized " to say anything about anybody or any event,

especially

if

> the person concerned is a journalist! We have, however, to

ascertain

> facts for ourselves by sifting grain from the chaff and go by them!

>

> You have quoted me as saying

> <Our erstwhile Hindu neighbouring country is a glaring

> example of its " suicide " because of an extraordinary infatuation

> for " Vedic astrology " .>

> and there is enough of correspondence on this topic in this forum!

>

> To summarize the facts, one has just to recall the tragic event of

the

> erstwhile crown-prince shooting dead his parents---the then king

and

> queen---and then himself, only because his parents would not allow

him

> to marry his sweet heart! And the parents did not allow that

marriage

> as the " Vedic astrologers " there had said that the horoscope of the

> crown-prince and his sweet heart did not match and it would bode

ill

> for the king and the queen if that marriage was allowed!

> And by now it is a well established fact that " Vedic astrologers "

only

> predict the events upside down, if the data like the date and time

of

> birth etc. of the " native " are correct, since they can make correct

> predictions only from incorrect data! Thus instead of advising the

> then king and queen to solemnize the marriage of the crown prince

with

> his sweet heart---she was also from a royal family of India----as

> otherwise he would go mad, they just advised to the contrary! And

the

> results are there for everybody to see! It is worthwhile to put on

> record here that if it had been the earlier monarch, who was shot

dead

> by his own son, still ruling Nepal, the things would have been

> entirely different and would not have come to such a stage.

>

> Same was the case with BJP! If they had not advance the last

General

> Election by several months, the chances were that they would have

> gained a majority by planning their moves properly and would still

be

> ruling today! But they believed more in " Vedic astrology " than

their

> own drum-beating of " India shining " . Even on the day the results of

> the last election were declared, all the channels and newspapers

were

> crying from housetops that as per all the jyotishis, A B Vajpayee

> would be the PM, irrespective of which party gained majority!

However,

> the BJP's faith in " Vedic astrology " ruined everything for them and

> poor A B Vajpayee, instead of being crowned the king again, has

become

> completely bedridden, a sad fact that no astrologer had foreseen!

>

> You have also said

> < It (Nepal) faithfully follows a Vikram Samvat calendar based on

the

> most scientific Hindu system of time and space.  >

>

> On this topic also, there is a lot of correspondence with

> IndiaArchaeology forum etc. that is available in this forum as

well.

> Again, instead of going by who is saying what, pl. peruse that

> correspondence and then let me know as to whether there is any

> " scientific basis " of 58 BC being called as Vikrami era is! If at

all

> it has any scientific basis, it is based on the passage of the VE

from

> one Greek constellation Aries into another Greek constellation i.e.

> Pisces in around 66 BCE! And nobody knows why and by whom and

when

it

> was named " Vikrami Era " .

>

> I have also made it clear literally hundreds of times that my

aversion

> towards " Vedic astrology " is because of the fact that it is

actually a

> fraud on the Vedas and also a drag on Hindu society, since it is

this

> very fad that is making us see adharma of celebrating all our

> festivals and muhurtas on wrong days as dharma! Same is the case

with

> the all out defense by some people of the farce known as " Vedic

> astrology " ---they are actually defending adharma in the name of

dharma!

> Hope the situation is clear now.

> Regards,

> AKK

>

>

>

> HinduCalendar , Arul T <arul_thilak@> wrote:

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >  

> > 1.   Sri Avtar-ji says as follows:

> >  

> > QUOTE

> > Our erstwhile Hindu neighbouring country is a glaring

> > example of its " suicide " because of an extraordinary infatuation

> > for " Vedic astrology " . So is the example of the BJP which had

> > an " akalamrityu " by advanding the last election by several

months

on

> > the advice of its " Minister of Astrology " !

> > UNQUOTE

> >

> >  

> >  

> > As to how the last Hindu kingdom was lost in the 21st century,

> the following excerpts of Tarun Vijay's recent essay are

revealing. 

> How, in particular, Hindu religious discourse was impoverished and

> limited to ritualism:

> >  

> >

> http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/msid-

3482408,prtpage-

1.cms

> >  

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > THE RIGHT VIEW

> >

> >

> >

> > Learn Chinese to know Kathmandu

> > 14 Sep 2008, 1640 hrs IST, Tarun Vijay

> >

> >  

> > QUOTE

> > ..... Younger Nepal turned the tide in favour of a change with a

> balance. Kingdom's Hindu status was meaningless as it failed to

> strengthen the democratic roots and provide food, water and

education

> to the rural poor. Pro-Monarchy people couldn't establish their

> credibility - they thrived on an anti-India note and kept religious

> affairs bound to the personal loyalty to the King which meant no

> spiritual insurgence could take shape and the religious discourse

> remained limited to ritualism. No strong nationalist spiritual

fervour

> was allowed as King felt threatened hence no tears were seen at the

> demise of its Hindu nation status and the abolition of

monarchy. ....

> >  

> > When the rulers turn corrupt and abuse peoples' faith and trust,

> public unrest and angst gets expressed in different ways. Nepal

saw

it

> happen in the form of a Maoism that prided to declare it's all the

> sources of inspiration and support to the neighbouring Communist

> China. .......

> >  

> > Prachanda took oath as the first Prime Minister of this tiny

> Himalayan federal republic, once the only Hindu State on this

planet,

> in the name of the 'people of Nepal '.

> >

> > Earlier all the PMs had sworn in, invoking God's name. He chose

to

> wear a western dress, three piece suite with a necktie. Earlier

> everyone had worn a Nepalese traditional dress called Daura

Suruwal.

> He also became the first PM not to visit Pashupati Nath, as has

been

> the tradition of all the Nepalese leaders and he chose to visit

China

> first, again a new precedence, although our PM Dr Manmohan Singh

was

> the first head of the state to congratulate Prachanda and invite

him

> to visit India within half-an-hour of his election to the post.

> > UNQUOTE

> >  

> >  

> > The Nepali monarchy also had a Rajaguru :

> >  

> >

> > http://www.hinduonnet.com/2002/06/27/stories/2002062703860100.htm

> > Jun 27, 2002

> >  

> > Good news in 3 months: Kanchi Acharya

> > By Our Special Correspondent

> >  

> >

> >

> > NEW DELHI JUNE 26. The Kanchi Sankaracharya, Jayendra Saraswati,

who

> met the Prime Minister, Atal Behari Vajpayee, and the Vice-

President,

> Krishan Kant, today asserted that he would continue with his

> independent initiative to try and find a solution to the Ayodhya

> problem that would be agreeable to both the parties involved. He

> expected " good news'' within two or three months.

> >  

> > During the day, the King of Nepal, Gyanendra, performed `pada

puja'

> at the feet of Adi Sankara at the Kamakshi temple, which is also

the

> place where the Kanchi seer stays when he is here. The King was

with

> the Queen, Komal Rajyalaxmi, and their daughter, Prerna Rajyalaxmi,

> and the `puja' was performed in the presence of the Sankaracharya

who

> is also the `rajguru' of Nepal. Earlier, he had clarified that his

> current visit to the capital was connected with King Gyanendra's

> desire to meet him.

> >  

> >  

> > 2.  Tarun Vijay's essay also mentions:

> >  

> > QUOTE

> > It (Nepal) faithfully follows a Vikram Samvat calendar based on

the

> most scientific Hindu system of time and space.  

> > UNQUOTE

> >

> >  

> >  

> > --- On Thu, 25/9/08, Avtar Krishen Kaul <jyotirved@> wrote:

> >

> > Avtar Krishen Kaul <jyotirved@>

> > [akandabaratam] Fwd: Re: " Vedic astrology " - the

greatest

> fraud on the Vedas! (reposted)

> > akandabaratam

> > Thursday, 25 September, 2008, 12:39 AM

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > hinducivilization, " Avtar Krishen Kaul "

> > <jyotirved@ ..> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Shri Bhadraiah Mallampalliji,

> > Namaskar!

> > I would request you to kindly go through your own post once

again.

> >

> > Can you pick even a single cogent reason from your own points as

to

> > why we should continue to follow the fraud known as Vedic

astrology,

> > which is neither scientific, nor logical, least of all Vedic,

> > instead of celebrating our festivals and muhurtas on correct

days,

> > as advised by our shastras, logic and science--since

> > Uttarayana/Dakshina yana/Vasanta Sampat/Hemanta Sampat etc. are

all

> > phenomena of seasons and therefore scientific! Similarly, all

the

> > Vedas and Puranas have fixed certain days for rituals! E.g.,

> > Nirjala Ekadashi is a sort of Tapasya only if we observe it in

> > Summer, when we feel most thirsty, whereas in Winter, it is

hardly

> > worthwhile! And that is what we will be doing after a few

centuries-

> > -celebrating that day in Winter--thanks to " Vedic astrologers "

and

> > their " Vedic astrology "

> >

> >

>

 

--- End forwarded message ---

[Guest guest]

HinduCalendar , " Avtar Krishen Kaul "

<jyotirved wrote:

 

Shri Ravilochananji,

Namaskar!

 

<I concur with your views. NOwhere is it said in our epics or

Puranas that the Kings or Princes consulted astrologers before

marriage. Neither did Lord Ram consult an astrologer before taking

part in the bow contest nor did Lord Krishna went in search of

astrologers before departing to carry away Devi Rukmini.>

 

The fad of kings consulting jyotishis was started through his Brihat

Samhita by Varahamihira who was the greatest charlatan according to

me since he could make " correct predictions from incorect data " viz.

panchangas based on Maya the mlechha's Surya Sidhanta, the most

monstrous astronomical work that could ever have been produced by

anybody! No wonder, " Vedic astrologers " of today vie with one

another for being called " Varahamihira " since they also can make

correct predictions ONLY from incorrect data!

 

Regarding " Patri Melapak " , what is most ironic is that no " jyotisha

shastra " right from Sphujidwaja's yavana Jatakam to the most

notorious fake work viz. Brihat Parashari has touched this topic

even with a barge pole, but then today's " Vedic jyotishis " say that

it was practised by Vedic seers! My personal view is that if the

seers had really indulged in such a non-sense (actually the most

cunning!) fad, almost all of them would still have been looking for

a spouse whose Patri would match with theirs with at least 28 gunas!

 

<It is high time that we gave up the ancient Greek notion of

astrology and get back to proper astronomy.>

 

This " Vedic astrology " has had such a deleterious affect on the real

Vedic culture that the words of the Gita are becoming most

meaningful these days:

" adharmam dharmam it ya manyate tamsa vrita

sarvarthan vipareetanshchai, budhih saa partha tamasi "

i.e.

" an intellect that views adharma as dharma (and dharma as adharma)

besides viewing all the things upside down, is the real Tamasic

intellect " .

 

I find that almost every Hindu is trying to defend " Vedic astrology "

in spite of the fact that it has been made clear to them by now that

it is because of that very fad that we are celebrating all our

festivals and muhurtas on worng days, but their arguments are really

tamasic---like " I do not know much about astronomy (and by

implication it means that he/she knows everything about astrology

though!) " is the stock reply of most of them.

 

All the Hindus are now a days least bothered about celebrating Pitra-

Amavasya on the day of actual Dipavali which is on September 28,

2008, but they do not want to hear even a single word against " Vedic

astrology " ! They celebrated marriages in actual Pitrapaksha

because " Vedic astrologes " had okayed those dates!

 

What is surprising is that in spite of being well read, most of the

Hindus have lost all sense of basic Primary school level geography!

They have become oblivious of the fact that Uttarayana cannot take

place on any other day than the shortest day of the year or

Dakshinayana except on the longest day of the year! But they have

put wool into their ears for such phenomena since " Vedic

astrologers " want them to celebrate Uttarayana on January 15 and

Dakshinayana on July 15 and so on!

 

In short, most of the Hindu society appears to have become clones of

Maya the mlechha just because of their fatal infatuation with " Vedic

astrology " ! And that is the real Tamasic Vriti that I am talking

about!

 

However, since, AS IS EVIDENT FROM YOUR POST, Hindus are basically

the offspring of real Vamadevas instead of " imported Vamadevas " ,

sooner than later the genome of Vedic seers will revolt against this

tyranny of " Vedic astrologers " and thereby prevent the Hindu

culture from having an akalamrityu, INSPITE OF " VEDIC ASTROLOGERS " !

With regards,

Avtar

 

 

 

 

HinduCalendar , " Ravilochanan "

<ravilochan_tn@> wrote:

>

> Dear Shri Avtar

>

> Pranaam! I concur with your views. NOwhere is it said in our epics

or

> Puranas that the Kings or Princes consulted astrologers before

> marriage. Neither did Lord Ram consult an astrologer before taking

> part in the bow contest nor did Lord Krishna went in search of

> astrologers before departing to carry away Devi Rukmini. This

> practice of matching kundli has reached absurd proportions. Our

> dharma speaks about doing our duty without concern for the fruits.

> Doing what is right is the most important issue. Karma phal will

> finally reach us. One's karmaphal will not suddenly turn into good

> all of a sudden just because a kundli got matched. It doesn't make

> any sense. The Gita does not speak about jyotish phal. It only

speaks

> about karma phal. My heart bleeds upon seeing some orthodox Hindus

> who have nearly mastered the aspect of Karma Yoga but still visit

the

> astrologer with kundlis during marriage just because their parents

> had (wrongly) taught them so. They believe it to be an integral

part

> of Vedic culture. It is high time that we gave up the ancient

Greek

> notion of astrology and get back to proper astronomy.

>

> humbly

> Ravilochanan

>

>

> HinduCalendar , " Avtar Krishen Kaul "

> <jyotirved@> wrote:

> >

> > Shri Arul Thilak ji,

> > Namaskar!

> >

> > You have said

> > < As to how the last Hindu kingdom was lost in the 21st

century,

> > the following excerpts of Tarun Vijay's recent essay are

> revealing.>

> >

> > It is immaterial as to who says what! In a democracy, everybody

is

> > " authorized " to say anything about anybody or any event,

especially

> if

> > the person concerned is a journalist! We have, however, to

> ascertain

> > facts for ourselves by sifting grain from the chaff and go by

them!

> >

> > You have quoted me as saying

> > <Our erstwhile Hindu neighbouring country is a glaring

> > example of its " suicide " because of an extraordinary infatuation

> > for " Vedic astrology " .>

> > and there is enough of correspondence on this topic in this

forum!

> >

> > To summarize the facts, one has just to recall the tragic event

of

> the

> > erstwhile crown-prince shooting dead his parents---the then king

and

> > queen---and then himself, only because his parents would not

allow

> him

> > to marry his sweet heart! And the parents did not allow that

> marriage

> > as the " Vedic astrologers " there had said that the horoscope of

the

> > crown-prince and his sweet heart did not match and it would bode

ill

> > for the king and the queen if that marriage was allowed!

> > And by now it is a well established fact that " Vedic

astrologers "

> only

> > predict the events upside down, if the data like the date and

time

> of

> > birth etc. of the " native " are correct, since they can make

correct

> > predictions only from incorrect data! Thus instead of advising

the

> > then king and queen to solemnize the marriage of the crown

prince

> with

> > his sweet heart---she was also from a royal family of India----as

> > otherwise he would go mad, they just advised to the contrary!

And

> the

> > results are there for everybody to see! It is worthwhile to put

on

> > record here that if it had been the earlier monarch, who was

shot

> dead

> > by his own son, still ruling Nepal, the things would have been

> > entirely different and would not have come to such a stage.

> >

> > Same was the case with BJP! If they had not advance the last

> General

> > Election by several months, the chances were that they would have

> > gained a majority by planning their moves properly and would

still

> be

> > ruling today! But they believed more in " Vedic astrology " than

their

> > own drum-beating of " India shining " . Even on the day the results

of

> > the last election were declared, all the channels and newspapers

> were

> > crying from housetops that as per all the jyotishis, A B Vajpayee

> > would be the PM, irrespective of which party gained majority!

> However,

> > the BJP's faith in " Vedic astrology " ruined everything for them

and

> > poor A B Vajpayee, instead of being crowned the king again, has

> become

> > completely bedridden, a sad fact that no astrologer had foreseen!

> >

> > You have also said

> > < It (Nepal) faithfully follows a Vikram Samvat calendar based

on

> the

> > most scientific Hindu system of time and space.  >

> >

> > On this topic also, there is a lot of correspondence with

> > IndiaArchaeology forum etc. that is available in this forum as

> well.

> > Again, instead of going by who is saying what, pl. peruse that

> > correspondence and then let me know as to whether there is any

> > " scientific basis " of 58 BC being called as Vikrami era is! If

at

> all

> > it has any scientific basis, it is based on the passage of the

VE

> from

> > one Greek constellation Aries into another Greek constellation

i.e.

> > Pisces in around 66 BCE! And nobody knows why and by whom and

when

> it

> > was named " Vikrami Era " .

> >

> > I have also made it clear literally hundreds of times that my

> aversion

> > towards " Vedic astrology " is because of the fact that it is

> actually a

> > fraud on the Vedas and also a drag on Hindu society, since it is

> this

> > very fad that is making us see adharma of celebrating all our

> > festivals and muhurtas on wrong days as dharma! Same is the

case

> with

> > the all out defense by some people of the farce known as " Vedic

> > astrology " ---they are actually defending adharma in the name of

> dharma!

> > Hope the situation is clear now.

> > Regards,

> > AKK

> >

> >

> >

> > HinduCalendar , Arul T <arul_thilak@>

wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >  

> > > 1.   Sri Avtar-ji says as follows:

> > >  

> > > QUOTE

> > > Our erstwhile Hindu neighbouring country is a glaring

> > > example of its " suicide " because of an extraordinary

infatuation

> > > for " Vedic astrology " . So is the example of the BJP which had

> > > an " akalamrityu " by advanding the last election by several

months

> on

> > > the advice of its " Minister of Astrology " !

> > > UNQUOTE

> > >

> > >  

> > >  

> > > As to how the last Hindu kingdom was lost in the 21st

century,

> > the following excerpts of Tarun Vijay's recent essay are

> revealing. 

> > How, in particular, Hindu religious discourse was impoverished

and

> > limited to ritualism:

> > >  

> > >

> > http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/msid-

3482408,prtpage-

> 1.cms

> > >  

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > THE RIGHT VIEW

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Learn Chinese to know Kathmandu

> > > 14 Sep 2008, 1640 hrs IST, Tarun Vijay

> > >

> > >  

> > > QUOTE

> > > ..... Younger Nepal turned the tide in favour of a change with

a

> > balance. Kingdom's Hindu status was meaningless as it failed to

> > strengthen the democratic roots and provide food, water and

> education

> > to the rural poor. Pro-Monarchy people couldn't establish their

> > credibility - they thrived on an anti-India note and kept

religious

> > affairs bound to the personal loyalty to the King which meant no

> > spiritual insurgence could take shape and the religious discourse

> > remained limited to ritualism. No strong nationalist spiritual

> fervour

> > was allowed as King felt threatened hence no tears were seen at

the

> > demise of its Hindu nation status and the abolition of

> monarchy. ....

> > >  

> > > When the rulers turn corrupt and abuse peoples' faith and

trust,

> > public unrest and angst gets expressed in different ways. Nepal

saw

> it

> > happen in the form of a Maoism that prided to declare it's all

the

> > sources of inspiration and support to the neighbouring Communist

> > China. .......

> > >  

> > > Prachanda took oath as the first Prime Minister of this tiny

> > Himalayan federal republic, once the only Hindu State on this

> planet,

> > in the name of the 'people of Nepal '.

> > >

> > > Earlier all the PMs had sworn in, invoking God's name. He

chose to

> > wear a western dress, three piece suite with a necktie. Earlier

> > everyone had worn a Nepalese traditional dress called Daura

Suruwal.

> > He also became the first PM not to visit Pashupati Nath, as has

been

> > the tradition of all the Nepalese leaders and he chose to visit

> China

> > first, again a new precedence, although our PM Dr Manmohan Singh

was

> > the first head of the state to congratulate Prachanda and invite

him

> > to visit India within half-an-hour of his election to the post.

> > > UNQUOTE

> > >  

> > >  

> > > The Nepali monarchy also had a Rajaguru :

> > >  

> > >

> > >

http://www.hinduonnet.com/2002/06/27/stories/2002062703860100.htm

> > > Jun 27, 2002

> > >  

> > > Good news in 3 months: Kanchi Acharya

> > > By Our Special Correspondent

> > >  

> > >

> > >

> > > NEW DELHI JUNE 26. The Kanchi Sankaracharya, Jayendra

Saraswati,

> who

> > met the Prime Minister, Atal Behari Vajpayee, and the Vice-

> President,

> > Krishan Kant, today asserted that he would continue with his

> > independent initiative to try and find a solution to the Ayodhya

> > problem that would be agreeable to both the parties involved. He

> > expected " good news'' within two or three months.

> > >  

> > > During the day, the King of Nepal, Gyanendra, performed `pada

> puja'

> > at the feet of Adi Sankara at the Kamakshi temple, which is also

the

> > place where the Kanchi seer stays when he is here. The King was

with

> > the Queen, Komal Rajyalaxmi, and their daughter, Prerna

Rajyalaxmi,

> > and the `puja' was performed in the presence of the

Sankaracharya

> who

> > is also the `rajguru' of Nepal. Earlier, he had clarified that

his

> > current visit to the capital was connected with King Gyanendra's

> > desire to meet him.

> > >  

> > >  

> > > 2.  Tarun Vijay's essay also mentions:

> > >  

> > > QUOTE

> > > It (Nepal) faithfully follows a Vikram Samvat calendar based

on

> the

> > most scientific Hindu system of time and space.  

> > > UNQUOTE

> > >

> > >  

> > >  

> > > --- On Thu, 25/9/08, Avtar Krishen Kaul <jyotirved@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Avtar Krishen Kaul <jyotirved@>

> > > [akandabaratam] Fwd: Re: " Vedic astrology " - the

greatest

> > fraud on the Vedas! (reposted)

> > > akandabaratam

> > > Thursday, 25 September, 2008, 12:39 AM

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > hinducivilization, " Avtar Krishen

Kaul "

> > > <jyotirved@ ..> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Shri Bhadraiah Mallampalliji,

> > > Namaskar!

> > > I would request you to kindly go through your own post once

again.

> > >

> > > Can you pick even a single cogent reason from your own points

as

> to

> > > why we should continue to follow the fraud known as Vedic

> astrology,

> > > which is neither scientific, nor logical, least of all Vedic,

> > > instead of celebrating our festivals and muhurtas on correct

> days,

> > > as advised by our shastras, logic and science--since

> > > Uttarayana/Dakshina yana/Vasanta Sampat/Hemanta Sampat etc.

are

> all

> > > phenomena of seasons and therefore scientific! Similarly, all

the

> > > Vedas and Puranas have fixed certain days for rituals! E.g.,

> > > Nirjala Ekadashi is a sort of Tapasya only if we observe it in

> > > Summer, when we feel most thirsty, whereas in Winter, it is

> hardly

> > > worthwhile! And that is what we will be doing after a few

> centuries-

> > > -celebrating that day in Winter--thanks to " Vedic astrologers "

> and

> > > their " Vedic astrology "

> > >

> > >

> >

>

 

--- End forwarded message ---

[Guest guest]

, " Avtar Krishen Kaul "

<jyotirved wrote:

 

HinduCalendar , " Ravilochanan "

<ravilochan_tn@> wrote:

 

Dear Shri Avtar

 

Pranaam! I concur with your views. NOwhere is it said in our epics

or

Puranas that the Kings or Princes consulted astrologers before

marriage. Neither did Lord Ram consult an astrologer before taking

part in the bow contest nor did Lord Krishna went in search of

astrologers before departing to carry away Devi Rukmini. This

practice of matching kundli has reached absurd proportions. Our

dharma speaks about doing our duty without concern for the fruits.

Doing what is right is the most important issue. Karma phal will

finally reach us. One's karmaphal will not suddenly turn into good

all of a sudden just because a kundli got matched. It doesn't make

any sense. The Gita does not speak about jyotish phal. It only

speaks

about karma phal. My heart bleeds upon seeing some orthodox Hindus

who have nearly mastered the aspect of Karma Yoga but still visit

the

astrologer with kundlis during marriage just because their parents

had (wrongly) taught them so. They believe it to be an integral part

of Vedic culture. It is high time that we gave up the ancient Greek

notion of astrology and get back to proper astronomy.

 

humbly

Ravilochanan

 

 

HinduCalendar , " Avtar Krishen Kaul "

<jyotirved@> wrote:

>

> Shri Arul Thilak ji,

> Namaskar!

>

> You have said

> < As to how the last Hindu kingdom was lost in the 21st century,

> the following excerpts of Tarun Vijay's recent essay are

revealing.>

>

> It is immaterial as to who says what! In a democracy, everybody is

> " authorized " to say anything about anybody or any event,

especially

if

> the person concerned is a journalist! We have, however, to

ascertain

> facts for ourselves by sifting grain from the chaff and go by them!

>

> You have quoted me as saying

> <Our erstwhile Hindu neighbouring country is a glaring

> example of its " suicide " because of an extraordinary infatuation

> for " Vedic astrology " .>

> and there is enough of correspondence on this topic in this forum!

>

> To summarize the facts, one has just to recall the tragic event of

the

> erstwhile crown-prince shooting dead his parents---the then king

and

> queen---and then himself, only because his parents would not allow

him

> to marry his sweet heart! And the parents did not allow that

marriage

> as the " Vedic astrologers " there had said that the horoscope of the

> crown-prince and his sweet heart did not match and it would bode

ill

> for the king and the queen if that marriage was allowed!

> And by now it is a well established fact that " Vedic astrologers "

only

> predict the events upside down, if the data like the date and time

of

> birth etc. of the " native " are correct, since they can make correct

> predictions only from incorrect data! Thus instead of advising the

> then king and queen to solemnize the marriage of the crown prince

with

> his sweet heart---she was also from a royal family of India----as

> otherwise he would go mad, they just advised to the contrary! And

the

> results are there for everybody to see! It is worthwhile to put on

> record here that if it had been the earlier monarch, who was shot

dead

> by his own son, still ruling Nepal, the things would have been

> entirely different and would not have come to such a stage.

>

> Same was the case with BJP! If they had not advance the last

General

> Election by several months, the chances were that they would have

> gained a majority by planning their moves properly and would still

be

> ruling today! But they believed more in " Vedic astrology " than

their

> own drum-beating of " India shining " . Even on the day the results of

> the last election were declared, all the channels and newspapers

were

> crying from housetops that as per all the jyotishis, A B Vajpayee

> would be the PM, irrespective of which party gained majority!

However,

> the BJP's faith in " Vedic astrology " ruined everything for them and

> poor A B Vajpayee, instead of being crowned the king again, has

become

> completely bedridden, a sad fact that no astrologer had foreseen!

>

> You have also said

> < It (Nepal) faithfully follows a Vikram Samvat calendar based on

the

> most scientific Hindu system of time and space.  >

>

> On this topic also, there is a lot of correspondence with

> IndiaArchaeology forum etc. that is available in this forum as

well.

> Again, instead of going by who is saying what, pl. peruse that

> correspondence and then let me know as to whether there is any

> " scientific basis " of 58 BC being called as Vikrami era is! If at

all

> it has any scientific basis, it is based on the passage of the VE

from

> one Greek constellation Aries into another Greek constellation i.e.

> Pisces in around 66 BCE! And nobody knows why and by whom and

when

it

> was named " Vikrami Era " .

>

> I have also made it clear literally hundreds of times that my

aversion

> towards " Vedic astrology " is because of the fact that it is

actually a

> fraud on the Vedas and also a drag on Hindu society, since it is

this

> very fad that is making us see adharma of celebrating all our

> festivals and muhurtas on wrong days as dharma! Same is the case

with

> the all out defense by some people of the farce known as " Vedic

> astrology " ---they are actually defending adharma in the name of

dharma!

> Hope the situation is clear now.

> Regards,

> AKK

>

>

>

> HinduCalendar , Arul T <arul_thilak@> wrote:

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >  

> > 1.   Sri Avtar-ji says as follows:

> >  

> > QUOTE

> > Our erstwhile Hindu neighbouring country is a glaring

> > example of its " suicide " because of an extraordinary infatuation

> > for " Vedic astrology " . So is the example of the BJP which had

> > an " akalamrityu " by advanding the last election by several

months

on

> > the advice of its " Minister of Astrology " !

> > UNQUOTE

> >

> >  

> >  

> > As to how the last Hindu kingdom was lost in the 21st century,

> the following excerpts of Tarun Vijay's recent essay are

revealing. 

> How, in particular, Hindu religious discourse was impoverished and

> limited to ritualism:

> >  

> >

> http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/msid-

3482408,prtpage-

1.cms

> >  

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > THE RIGHT VIEW

> >

> >

> >

> > Learn Chinese to know Kathmandu

> > 14 Sep 2008, 1640 hrs IST, Tarun Vijay

> >

> >  

> > QUOTE

> > ..... Younger Nepal turned the tide in favour of a change with a

> balance. Kingdom's Hindu status was meaningless as it failed to

> strengthen the democratic roots and provide food, water and

education

> to the rural poor. Pro-Monarchy people couldn't establish their

> credibility - they thrived on an anti-India note and kept religious

> affairs bound to the personal loyalty to the King which meant no

> spiritual insurgence could take shape and the religious discourse

> remained limited to ritualism. No strong nationalist spiritual

fervour

> was allowed as King felt threatened hence no tears were seen at the

> demise of its Hindu nation status and the abolition of

monarchy. ....

> >  

> > When the rulers turn corrupt and abuse peoples' faith and trust,

> public unrest and angst gets expressed in different ways. Nepal

saw

it

> happen in the form of a Maoism that prided to declare it's all the

> sources of inspiration and support to the neighbouring Communist

> China. .......

> >  

> > Prachanda took oath as the first Prime Minister of this tiny

> Himalayan federal republic, once the only Hindu State on this

planet,

> in the name of the 'people of Nepal '.

> >

> > Earlier all the PMs had sworn in, invoking God's name. He chose

to

> wear a western dress, three piece suite with a necktie. Earlier

> everyone had worn a Nepalese traditional dress called Daura

Suruwal.

> He also became the first PM not to visit Pashupati Nath, as has

been

> the tradition of all the Nepalese leaders and he chose to visit

China

> first, again a new precedence, although our PM Dr Manmohan Singh

was

> the first head of the state to congratulate Prachanda and invite

him

> to visit India within half-an-hour of his election to the post.

> > UNQUOTE

> >  

> >  

> > The Nepali monarchy also had a Rajaguru :

> >  

> >

> > http://www.hinduonnet.com/2002/06/27/stories/2002062703860100.htm

> > Jun 27, 2002

> >  

> > Good news in 3 months: Kanchi Acharya

> > By Our Special Correspondent

> >  

> >

> >

> > NEW DELHI JUNE 26. The Kanchi Sankaracharya, Jayendra Saraswati,

who

> met the Prime Minister, Atal Behari Vajpayee, and the Vice-

President,

> Krishan Kant, today asserted that he would continue with his

> independent initiative to try and find a solution to the Ayodhya

> problem that would be agreeable to both the parties involved. He

> expected " good news'' within two or three months.

> >  

> > During the day, the King of Nepal, Gyanendra, performed `pada

puja'

> at the feet of Adi Sankara at the Kamakshi temple, which is also

the

> place where the Kanchi seer stays when he is here. The King was

with

> the Queen, Komal Rajyalaxmi, and their daughter, Prerna Rajyalaxmi,

> and the `puja' was performed in the presence of the Sankaracharya

who

> is also the `rajguru' of Nepal. Earlier, he had clarified that his

> current visit to the capital was connected with King Gyanendra's

> desire to meet him.

> >  

> >  

> > 2.  Tarun Vijay's essay also mentions:

> >  

> > QUOTE

> > It (Nepal) faithfully follows a Vikram Samvat calendar based on

the

> most scientific Hindu system of time and space.  

> > UNQUOTE

> >

> >  

> >  

> > --- On Thu, 25/9/08, Avtar Krishen Kaul <jyotirved@> wrote:

> >

> > Avtar Krishen Kaul <jyotirved@>

> > [akandabaratam] Fwd: Re: " Vedic astrology " - the

greatest

> fraud on the Vedas! (reposted)

> > akandabaratam

> > Thursday, 25 September, 2008, 12:39 AM

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > hinducivilization, " Avtar Krishen Kaul "

> > <jyotirved@ ..> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Shri Bhadraiah Mallampalliji,

> > Namaskar!

> > I would request you to kindly go through your own post once

again.

> >

> > Can you pick even a single cogent reason from your own points as

to

> > why we should continue to follow the fraud known as Vedic

astrology,

> > which is neither scientific, nor logical, least of all Vedic,

> > instead of celebrating our festivals and muhurtas on correct

days,

> > as advised by our shastras, logic and science--since

> > Uttarayana/Dakshina yana/Vasanta Sampat/Hemanta Sampat etc. are

all

> > phenomena of seasons and therefore scientific! Similarly, all

the

> > Vedas and Puranas have fixed certain days for rituals! E.g.,

> > Nirjala Ekadashi is a sort of Tapasya only if we observe it in

> > Summer, when we feel most thirsty, whereas in Winter, it is

hardly

> > worthwhile! And that is what we will be doing after a few

centuries-

> > -celebrating that day in Winter--thanks to " Vedic astrologers "

and

> > their " Vedic astrology "

> >

> >

>

 

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--- End forwarded message ---

[Guest guest]

, " Avtar Krishen Kaul "

<jyotirved wrote:

 

HinduCalendar , " Avtar Krishen Kaul "

<jyotirved@> wrote:

 

Shri Ravilochananji,

Namaskar!

 

<I concur with your views. NOwhere is it said in our epics or

Puranas that the Kings or Princes consulted astrologers before

marriage. Neither did Lord Ram consult an astrologer before taking

part in the bow contest nor did Lord Krishna went in search of

astrologers before departing to carry away Devi Rukmini.>

 

The fad of kings consulting jyotishis was started through his Brihat

Samhita by Varahamihira who was the greatest charlatan according to

me since he could make " correct predictions from incorect data " viz.

panchangas based on Maya the mlechha's Surya Sidhanta, the most

monstrous astronomical work that could ever have been produced by

anybody! No wonder, " Vedic astrologers " of today vie with one

another for being called " Varahamihira " since they also can make

correct predictions ONLY from incorrect data!

 

Regarding " Patri Melapak " , what is most ironic is that no " jyotisha

shastra " right from Sphujidwaja's yavana Jatakam to the most

notorious fake work viz. Brihat Parashari has touched this topic

even with a barge pole, but then today's " Vedic jyotishis " say that

it was practised by Vedic seers! My personal view is that if the

seers had really indulged in such a non-sense (actually the most

cunning!) fad, almost all of them would still have been looking for

a spouse whose Patri would match with theirs with at least 28 gunas!

 

<It is high time that we gave up the ancient Greek notion of

astrology and get back to proper astronomy.>

 

This " Vedic astrology " has had such a deleterious affect on the real

Vedic culture that the words of the Gita are becoming most

meaningful these days:

" adharmam dharmam it ya manyate tamsa vrita

sarvarthan vipareetanshchai, budhih saa partha tamasi "

i.e.

" an intellect that views adharma as dharma (and dharma as adharma)

besides viewing all the things upside down, is the real Tamasic

intellect " .

 

I find that almost every Hindu is trying to defend " Vedic astrology "

in spite of the fact that it has been made clear to them by now that

it is because of that very fad that we are celebrating all our

festivals and muhurtas on worng days, but their arguments are really

tamasic---like " I do not know much about astronomy (and by

implication it means that he/she knows everything about astrology

though!) " is the stock reply of most of them.

 

All the Hindus are now a days least bothered about celebrating Pitra-

Amavasya on the day of actual Dipavali which is on September 28,

2008, but they do not want to hear even a single word against " Vedic

astrology " ! They celebrated marriages in actual Pitrapaksha

because " Vedic astrologes " had okayed those dates!

 

What is surprising is that in spite of being well read, most of the

Hindus have lost all sense of basic Primary school level geography!

They have become oblivious of the fact that Uttarayana cannot take

place on any other day than the shortest day of the year or

Dakshinayana except on the longest day of the year! But they have

put wool into their ears for such phenomena since " Vedic

astrologers " want them to celebrate Uttarayana on January 15 and

Dakshinayana on July 15 and so on!

 

In short, most of the Hindu society appears to have become clones of

Maya the mlechha just because of their fatal infatuation with " Vedic

astrology " ! And that is the real Tamasic Vriti that I am talking

about!

 

However, since, AS IS EVIDENT FROM YOUR POST, Hindus are basically

the offspring of real Vamadevas instead of " imported Vamadevas " ,

sooner than later the genome of Vedic seers will revolt against this

tyranny of " Vedic astrologers " and thereby prevent the Hindu

culture from having an akalamrityu, INSPITE OF " VEDIC ASTROLOGERS " !

With regards,

Avtar

 

 

 

 

HinduCalendar , " Ravilochanan "

<ravilochan_tn@> wrote:

>

> Dear Shri Avtar

>

> Pranaam! I concur with your views. NOwhere is it said in our epics

or

> Puranas that the Kings or Princes consulted astrologers before

> marriage. Neither did Lord Ram consult an astrologer before taking

> part in the bow contest nor did Lord Krishna went in search of

> astrologers before departing to carry away Devi Rukmini. This

> practice of matching kundli has reached absurd proportions. Our

> dharma speaks about doing our duty without concern for the fruits.

> Doing what is right is the most important issue. Karma phal will

> finally reach us. One's karmaphal will not suddenly turn into good

> all of a sudden just because a kundli got matched. It doesn't make

> any sense. The Gita does not speak about jyotish phal. It only

speaks

> about karma phal. My heart bleeds upon seeing some orthodox Hindus

> who have nearly mastered the aspect of Karma Yoga but still visit

the

> astrologer with kundlis during marriage just because their parents

> had (wrongly) taught them so. They believe it to be an integral

part

> of Vedic culture. It is high time that we gave up the ancient

Greek

> notion of astrology and get back to proper astronomy.

>

> humbly

> Ravilochanan

>

>

> HinduCalendar , " Avtar Krishen Kaul "

> <jyotirved@> wrote:

> >

> > Shri Arul Thilak ji,

> > Namaskar!

> >

> > You have said

> > < As to how the last Hindu kingdom was lost in the 21st

century,

> > the following excerpts of Tarun Vijay's recent essay are

> revealing.>

> >

> > It is immaterial as to who says what! In a democracy, everybody

is

> > " authorized " to say anything about anybody or any event,

especially

> if

> > the person concerned is a journalist! We have, however, to

> ascertain

> > facts for ourselves by sifting grain from the chaff and go by

them!

> >

> > You have quoted me as saying

> > <Our erstwhile Hindu neighbouring country is a glaring

> > example of its " suicide " because of an extraordinary infatuation

> > for " Vedic astrology " .>

> > and there is enough of correspondence on this topic in this

forum!

> >

> > To summarize the facts, one has just to recall the tragic event

of

> the

> > erstwhile crown-prince shooting dead his parents---the then king

and

> > queen---and then himself, only because his parents would not

allow

> him

> > to marry his sweet heart! And the parents did not allow that

> marriage

> > as the " Vedic astrologers " there had said that the horoscope of

the

> > crown-prince and his sweet heart did not match and it would bode

ill

> > for the king and the queen if that marriage was allowed!

> > And by now it is a well established fact that " Vedic

astrologers "

> only

> > predict the events upside down, if the data like the date and

time

> of

> > birth etc. of the " native " are correct, since they can make

correct

> > predictions only from incorrect data! Thus instead of advising

the

> > then king and queen to solemnize the marriage of the crown

prince

> with

> > his sweet heart---she was also from a royal family of India----as

> > otherwise he would go mad, they just advised to the contrary!

And

> the

> > results are there for everybody to see! It is worthwhile to put

on

> > record here that if it had been the earlier monarch, who was

shot

> dead

> > by his own son, still ruling Nepal, the things would have been

> > entirely different and would not have come to such a stage.

> >

> > Same was the case with BJP! If they had not advance the last

> General

> > Election by several months, the chances were that they would have

> > gained a majority by planning their moves properly and would

still

> be

> > ruling today! But they believed more in " Vedic astrology " than

their

> > own drum-beating of " India shining " . Even on the day the results

of

> > the last election were declared, all the channels and newspapers

> were

> > crying from housetops that as per all the jyotishis, A B Vajpayee

> > would be the PM, irrespective of which party gained majority!

> However,

> > the BJP's faith in " Vedic astrology " ruined everything for them

and

> > poor A B Vajpayee, instead of being crowned the king again, has

> become

> > completely bedridden, a sad fact that no astrologer had foreseen!

> >

> > You have also said

> > < It (Nepal) faithfully follows a Vikram Samvat calendar based

on

> the

> > most scientific Hindu system of time and space.  >

> >

> > On this topic also, there is a lot of correspondence with

> > IndiaArchaeology forum etc. that is available in this forum as

> well.

> > Again, instead of going by who is saying what, pl. peruse that

> > correspondence and then let me know as to whether there is any

> > " scientific basis " of 58 BC being called as Vikrami era is! If

at

> all

> > it has any scientific basis, it is based on the passage of the

VE

> from

> > one Greek constellation Aries into another Greek constellation

i.e.

> > Pisces in around 66 BCE! And nobody knows why and by whom and

when

> it

> > was named " Vikrami Era " .

> >

> > I have also made it clear literally hundreds of times that my

> aversion

> > towards " Vedic astrology " is because of the fact that it is

> actually a

> > fraud on the Vedas and also a drag on Hindu society, since it is

> this

> > very fad that is making us see adharma of celebrating all our

> > festivals and muhurtas on wrong days as dharma! Same is the

case

> with

> > the all out defense by some people of the farce known as " Vedic

> > astrology " ---they are actually defending adharma in the name of

> dharma!

> > Hope the situation is clear now.

> > Regards,

> > AKK

> >

> >

> >

> > HinduCalendar , Arul T <arul_thilak@>

wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >  

> > > 1.   Sri Avtar-ji says as follows:

> > >  

> > > QUOTE

> > > Our erstwhile Hindu neighbouring country is a glaring

> > > example of its " suicide " because of an extraordinary

infatuation

> > > for " Vedic astrology " . So is the example of the BJP which had

> > > an " akalamrityu " by advanding the last election by several

months

> on

> > > the advice of its " Minister of Astrology " !

> > > UNQUOTE

> > >

> > >  

> > >  

> > > As to how the last Hindu kingdom was lost in the 21st

century,

> > the following excerpts of Tarun Vijay's recent essay are

> revealing. 

> > How, in particular, Hindu religious discourse was impoverished

and

> > limited to ritualism:

> > >  

> > >

> > http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/msid-

3482408,prtpage-

> 1.cms

> > >  

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > THE RIGHT VIEW

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Learn Chinese to know Kathmandu

> > > 14 Sep 2008, 1640 hrs IST, Tarun Vijay

> > >

> > >  

> > > QUOTE

> > > ..... Younger Nepal turned the tide in favour of a change with

a

> > balance. Kingdom's Hindu status was meaningless as it failed to

> > strengthen the democratic roots and provide food, water and

> education

> > to the rural poor. Pro-Monarchy people couldn't establish their

> > credibility - they thrived on an anti-India note and kept

religious

> > affairs bound to the personal loyalty to the King which meant no

> > spiritual insurgence could take shape and the religious discourse

> > remained limited to ritualism. No strong nationalist spiritual

> fervour

> > was allowed as King felt threatened hence no tears were seen at

the

> > demise of its Hindu nation status and the abolition of

> monarchy. ....

> > >  

> > > When the rulers turn corrupt and abuse peoples' faith and

trust,

> > public unrest and angst gets expressed in different ways. Nepal

saw

> it

> > happen in the form of a Maoism that prided to declare it's all

the

> > sources of inspiration and support to the neighbouring Communist

> > China. .......

> > >  

> > > Prachanda took oath as the first Prime Minister of this tiny

> > Himalayan federal republic, once the only Hindu State on this

> planet,

> > in the name of the 'people of Nepal '.

> > >

> > > Earlier all the PMs had sworn in, invoking God's name. He

chose to

> > wear a western dress, three piece suite with a necktie. Earlier

> > everyone had worn a Nepalese traditional dress called Daura

Suruwal.

> > He also became the first PM not to visit Pashupati Nath, as has

been

> > the tradition of all the Nepalese leaders and he chose to visit

> China

> > first, again a new precedence, although our PM Dr Manmohan Singh

was

> > the first head of the state to congratulate Prachanda and invite

him

> > to visit India within half-an-hour of his election to the post.

> > > UNQUOTE

> > >  

> > >  

> > > The Nepali monarchy also had a Rajaguru :

> > >  

> > >

> > >

http://www.hinduonnet.com/2002/06/27/stories/2002062703860100.htm

> > > Jun 27, 2002

> > >  

> > > Good news in 3 months: Kanchi Acharya

> > > By Our Special Correspondent

> > >  

> > >

> > >

> > > NEW DELHI JUNE 26. The Kanchi Sankaracharya, Jayendra

Saraswati,

> who

> > met the Prime Minister, Atal Behari Vajpayee, and the Vice-

> President,

> > Krishan Kant, today asserted that he would continue with his

> > independent initiative to try and find a solution to the Ayodhya

> > problem that would be agreeable to both the parties involved. He

> > expected " good news'' within two or three months.

> > >  

> > > During the day, the King of Nepal, Gyanendra, performed `pada

> puja'

> > at the feet of Adi Sankara at the Kamakshi temple, which is also

the

> > place where the Kanchi seer stays when he is here. The King was

with

> > the Queen, Komal Rajyalaxmi, and their daughter, Prerna

Rajyalaxmi,

> > and the `puja' was performed in the presence of the

Sankaracharya

> who

> > is also the `rajguru' of Nepal. Earlier, he had clarified that

his

> > current visit to the capital was connected with King Gyanendra's

> > desire to meet him.

> > >  

> > >  

> > > 2.  Tarun Vijay's essay also mentions:

> > >  

> > > QUOTE

> > > It (Nepal) faithfully follows a Vikram Samvat calendar based

on

> the

> > most scientific Hindu system of time and space.  

> > > UNQUOTE

> > >

> > >  

> > >  

> > > --- On Thu, 25/9/08, Avtar Krishen Kaul <jyotirved@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Avtar Krishen Kaul <jyotirved@>

> > > [akandabaratam] Fwd: Re: " Vedic astrology " - the

greatest

> > fraud on the Vedas! (reposted)

> > > akandabaratam

> > > Thursday, 25 September, 2008, 12:39 AM

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > hinducivilization, " Avtar Krishen

Kaul "

> > > <jyotirved@ ..> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Shri Bhadraiah Mallampalliji,

> > > Namaskar!

> > > I would request you to kindly go through your own post once

again.

> > >

> > > Can you pick even a single cogent reason from your own points

as

> to

> > > why we should continue to follow the fraud known as Vedic

> astrology,

> > > which is neither scientific, nor logical, least of all Vedic,

> > > instead of celebrating our festivals and muhurtas on correct

> days,

> > > as advised by our shastras, logic and science--since

> > > Uttarayana/Dakshina yana/Vasanta Sampat/Hemanta Sampat etc.

are

> all

> > > phenomena of seasons and therefore scientific! Similarly, all

the

> > > Vedas and Puranas have fixed certain days for rituals! E.g.,

> > > Nirjala Ekadashi is a sort of Tapasya only if we observe it in

> > > Summer, when we feel most thirsty, whereas in Winter, it is

> hardly

> > > worthwhile! And that is what we will be doing after a few

> centuries-

> > > -celebrating that day in Winter--thanks to " Vedic astrologers "

> and

> > > their " Vedic astrology "

> > >

> > >

> >

>

 

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