Predictive astrology.

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Resp Mark,

Thanks for your observation and glad to know that you are using Vedic

astrology since last 22 years. >>>> doing astrology over many years

and especially Vedic astrology these last 22!<<<<< Do you know that

Ved has nothing to do with predictive astrology? Don't you think that

you have been pushed in wrong direction by some cunning astrologer,

long back, and you are only believing due to psychological affect or

blind faith?

 

If some thing appears to match, I repeat appears to match >>>>

astrology is very easily scientifically verifiable! ……..my eastern

chart, do fit me to a tee!<<<<<

with your condition then it does not mean that it is scientifically

verifiable.

 

>>>>> after 22 years of doing Jyotish, and especially doing over 7000

people's charts, I have to say: all these people too, " THEIR CHARTS

FIT THEM AS WELL! " <<<<<<< Means you are analyzing average one

horoscope per day (22*365 >= 7000). Then you must definitely have

some good collection of predictive principle. Will you please

intimate at least One or more principle which in your opinion is

correct. But remember result must be absolute and not vague or with

psychological mixing. I mean to say that you may intimate any

principle by which you can predict that

 

1 any horoscope belongs to Male or Female, because sex has very vital

role in the life of some one (through out the world and in all

religion), and it affect whole sequence of event.

2 When he will be married or just have sexual relationship. Do planet

knows that it is marriage and it is sexual relationship without

marriage?

3 How many marriages. Because in India we have mostly only one

marriage and one partner for sexual relationship, where as Muslim

countries have mostly more then one marriages at a time and western

countries may mostly have more then one marriage (one by one) at a

time but mostly have many partner for sexual relationship. So how any

planet who is responsible for marriage know and affect as to who may

have to lead with one wife, who may with more wives and who may have

one by one many wives.

4 How many childrens (male or female) and when. How planet

differentiate that a tribal man or osama may have more children then

most of the persons of the world.

5 About his Education, profession, Finance and ofcourse about his

death.

 

Do have any definite principle or you have a set of principles like

1- So and so time is not good or good. Now such predictions are not

predictions at all. Because how a time may be bad, when your body is

intact, your house is intact, your family is intact, your education

is intact. But such sentence can only lead any person to magnify his

problem and may confirm that his time is bad.

2- You are not getting according to your knowledge. Now every person

is not satisfied with, what he has. So he may just confirm. This is

only psychology.

Thus all I repeat all predictions are psychological or if not then

they are randomly correct, which has noting to do with science or ved.

 

>>>> most powerful verifications of astrology is in each day's

TRANSITS!<<<<<< is only a jugglery. As you may know that Moon changes

his sign 12 times a month and about 150 times in a year of 365 days.

Sun =12 times, Mercury = 36 times, Venus =20 times, Mars = 8 times,

Jupiter = 1 time. Thus you have about 230 days with change in sign

and some more changes due to retrograde motion. Thus when you have

about 240 changes in 360 days means 2 changes per 3 days then you can

very easily link any incident with any transit. But Yes, If you have

some logical transit with their affect. Then you may come forward.

This reply may also be link with combination of planets (like >>>>>,

Mars and Saturn collided<<<<<< or >>>> Sun moved through Leo where

Saturn is right now, and also

collided with it. <<<<< or >>>>> Venus and Mercury are found in

Virgo.<<<<<<< or >>>>>>, Mars has joined Mercury and Venus in

Virgo.<<<<< or >>>> Jupiter is in Sagittarius this year,<<<< etc.

 

>>>>> The weather may shine, rain or snow, but these

different experiences influence each one of us differently..<<<<<<

You may know that weather is creation of direct affect of Sun and

Moon and there is no involvement of any other planet. Moon has only

gravitational affect by which only Sea is affected in the form of

tide. Sun is responsible for creating Heat, which is directly related

with weather cycle. But how there such affect can decide my

education, marriage, children, death and so on.

 

 

>>>>>>>. in 2 weeks watch how you feel as the Moon gets bigger and

bigger.<<<<<< So do you think that matter, which can affect,

increases due to it's size, which appears bigger only due to light on

the Moon?

 

>>>>>> All kinds of challenges come on a relationship, love, even

friendship level when Venus is 'debilitated' in Virgo<<<<<<<. In

support of your observation you have be reply as to how Ved or

Western countries decided that Venus is debilitated in Virgo. I have

raised many questions related to formulation of basic principles of

predictive astrology in my blog " Astrology a science or myth " ( may

refer in file section or 1st msg of the forum). So far (since last 5

years after publication of my books) I am not able to get a single

answer from any astrologer from East to West. Because all principles

were formulated on primitive knowledge, and detailed procedure is

available in my book. So you have to scientifically or logically

answer as to how you think that Venus or any planet is debilitated in

a sign, and that concept still hold good.

 

I hope you will come forward with your more pointed reply and may not

take rest in silence zone. As most of the astrologers, when they do

not have any logical, scientific answer, then they prefer silence so

that their business may not be affected. I have created this forum

only with a view so that their business and their clients may not be

affected and they can smoothly run their exploiting business. But

when they say that astrology is science or Vedic then I have every

right to ask them.

 

I have changed the subject for proper linking and summarizing in

future.

 

Remember nothing is personal and it is academic discussion.

 

Waiting for your comments

 

Yours truly,

Sanat

 

PS: I am not receiving any reply from Sh. Ghopal ji, Nathani ji,

Jagannathan ji, Vijayshankar ji since long. I hope they will come out

with their comments instead of observing silence. They must support

there stand logically, scientifically etc.. Otherwise there is no use

of interaction and one may continue with his own system of

exploitation if it is bread and butter for him. I am waiting for

their replies or I will presume that they have nothing to say in

support of their stand and astrology is not more then blind faith for

them and they may silently read various msgs.

 

I will like to request other silent members to take part in

interaction and they may join from this msg. it-self. There msg will

immediately be entered in the forum without any interference from the

moderator or if they have any problem even then they must come out so

that their problem may be sorted out. They may also ask various

questions being raised in this forum from their astrologer or in

other forums, where they are active to know the hollow knowledge of

moderators and astrologers who are continuously advising as if they

know every word of destiny.

 

I will also like to request Dr. Sasikumar Ji as to why " Department of

Space " (which was once explored by our sages through ved, puran and

came our with some physical structure of the Universe, though it may

now be not acceptable.) is not coming forward to educate our society,

which is in the grip of blind faith, created by predictive

astrologers, through Doordarshan etc. Because it is also written in

our constitution that Govt will develop scientific aptitude in the

society. I hope to get his reply in due course, as he may have busy

schedule. I am repeating this as I do not know as to whether he is

actively reading the msg. in the forum or not.

 

17-9-8

 

Re: Digest Number 138

Posted by: " markkincaid "

markkincaid kincaidmark

Mon Sep 15, 2008 5:23 am (PDT)

 

 

Dear

Sanat: Thank you very much for your warm welcome. I'd like to

say a few things about my own experiences doing astrology over many

years

and especially Vedic astrology these last 22!

 

First of all I'd

like to say that astrology is very easily scientifically verifiable!

 

First, within my own self, I've found all the symbolisms of

especially my eastern chart, do fit me to a tee!

 

This may be

only a subjective experience but I still find it very remarkable!

 

#2 I'd like to say, now, after 22 years of doing Jyotish, and

especially

doing over 7000 people's charts, I have to say: all these people

too, " THEIR CHARTS FIT THEM AS WELL! "

 

#3 Finally, I'd

like to add; One of the most powerful verifications of astrology is

in each day's TRANSITS!

 

Right now the Sun, Moon and planets are

all transiting some where. These movements have very real and

repeatable effects on everyone.

 

However, each person

experiences the transits differently! This reminds me of the

weather.

 

The weather may shine, rain or snow, but these

different experiences influence each one of us differently..

 

I

always suggest to people to watch the stars for 2 or 3 months,

focusing

very much upon what the Moon is doing to see how intensely do the

stars

affect YOU!

 

Right now, the Moon just finished the Full Moon

time! Each month the Moon waxes and then wanes.

 

Watch

now, over the next weeks as the Moon gets smaller. See, if you don't

find a direct correlation between how you feel, (the Moon) and how

big the

Moon is.

 

Then, in 2 weeks watch how you feel as the Moon gets

bigger and bigger.

 

Recently, we've been going through some very

intense transits.

 

About 6 weeks ago, Mars and Saturn collided

or were very close in the sky together.

 

During these times,

tension between the Mars doing part of us and the Saturn resting part

of

us happened.

 

Many people that I was aware of experienced many

kinds of grief due to this natural happening of the stars!

 

#2

Then, the Sun moved through Leo where Saturn is right now, and also

collided with it. That really was hard on a lot of people!

 

And, finally, #3, recently many planets have been going through

Virgo. This is always a trying time of the year when Sun gets close

to Virgo, such planets as Venus and Mercury are found in Virgo.

 

This is especially difficult because Venus is the most unhappy in

Virgo! This is because Venus represents the loving side of us.

And, when in Virgo, represents a great sadness on a heart, feeling

level.

 

All kinds of challenges come on a relationship, love,

even friendship level when Venus is 'debilitated' in Virgo.

 

What is the old ex-pression? " Love knows no reason! "

 

And, this is why Venus is thought to be very unhappy in Virgo.

 

Therefore, the transit of Venus through Virgo each year is a

trying one!

 

Finally, finally. Also, recently, Mars has

joined Mercury and Venus in Virgo.

 

This has brought an

unusually aggressive fiery element to the Virgo mix which has

represented

deep anger and madness.

 

There are all good transits.

 

Jupiter is in Sagittarius this year, and many good things have

happened as a result also!

 

This will be in sharp contrast, when

in Dec. of this year Jupiter moves into Capricorn where it too is

unhappy.

 

These always moving stars, (Transits) show us in each

moment exactly how real, predictable, and yes, scientific astrology

truly

is!

 

Sincerely,

 

Mark Kincaid

 

Founder Nature's Astrology

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