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August 22, 2008

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HinduCalendar Cc: pvr108Dear Avtar ji,Do you support Sayana based astrology? This was claimed by one of Astrologers who went through your article on http://www.aryasamaj.org/eng_art/do_celebrate_in_time.htm

regardsDipikaà¤¸à¤¤à¥à¤¯à¤®à¥‡à¤µ à¤œà¤¯à¤¤à¥‡---------------------------satyameva jayate naanritam

satyena pantha vitato devayanah

yenaa kramantyarishayo hyaaptakaamaa

yatra tat satyasya paramam nidhaanam

On Fri, Aug 22, 2008 at 5:42 PM, jyotirved <jyotirved wrote:

Namaste Shri Narasimha P. V. R. Rao-ji,

Many thanks for your comments on my

article/post " Vedic astrology " â€”the greatest fraud on the

Vedas--- in IndiaDivine forum, posted by you in July 2005, but which I saw just

today, i.e. August 22, 2008!

I am sorry to say that it appears that the

knowledge of " Vedic astrologers " about the Vedic lore is very very

poor and maybe that is why they call themselves " Vedic

astrologers " ! They base their claims of astrology being an " anga "

of the Vedas because there is a " Vedanga " named " Vedanga

Jyotisha " ! Let me tell them some hard and unpleasant facts!

" Vedanga Jyotisha " is a work

by Acharya Lagadha of 14th century BCE compiled in Kashmir!

It tells us just the methodology of calculating mean tithi and nakshatra etc.

apart from Uttarayana, Dakshinaya viz. the four cardinal points besides

Tapah/Magha etc. twelve Vedic months!

It does not mention anything even by

mistake about any planets like Budha, Mangal, Shani etc. nor does it say

anything about Mesha, Vrisha etc. Rashis!

Obviously, those who call predictive

gimmicks as Vedic astrology just because there is a work named Vedanga

Jyotisha, do not even know ABC of their own Vedic lore! They are just

going by what some overseas " Vamadevas " are telling them! They

must therefore study the Vedas and the Vedangas themselves first and then enter

into discussions on such topics---lest they put on public

display their lack of knowledge of their own shastras otherwise!

Here is a challenge to all the " Vedic

astrologers " the world over: pl. quote even a single mantra

from any of the Vedas or the Vedanga Jyotisha or the Yajur Jyotisha or even the

Atharva Jyotisha or for that matter, the so called Atharva Veda Parishishta,

which mentions Mesha, Vrisha etc. Rashis even by mistake!

We do not find any mention of any Rashis

in any sidhanta either prior to the Surya Sidhanta of Maya the mlechha of the

Panchasidhantika!

We do not find any mention of Mangal and

Shani etc. planets either in any of the Vedas, nor the Vedangas nor even any

sidhanta prior to the Surya Sidhatna of Maya the mlechha!

Surprisingly, we do not find any mention

of Mesha, Vrisha etc. Rashis in the Mahabharata either though it has mentioned

planets and also nakshatras times without number!

Obviously, therefore, to call any

predictive gimmicks as Vedic astrology is taking the Hindu community for a

ride!

We do find mention of Mesha, Vrisha etc.

rashis and Mangal, Shani etc. planets in the Puranas but much to the chagrin of

nirayana-walas, all the puranas talk of a Mesha Sankranti which is also the day

of Vernal Equinox---when the day is equal to night---and Makar Sankanti as the

Uttarayana i.e. Winter Solstice, the shortest day of the year and so on! That

is exactly what Maya the mlechha had done in his Surya Sidhanta where Makar Sankranti

is another name of Uttarayana and so on! It definitely leads to the

irrefutable conclusion that Mesha, Vrisha etc. Rashis had been imported from

the Greeks via Maya's Surya Sidhanta and then later incorporated in the

Puranas etc. by some Hindu " sishyas of Varahamihira " .

Talking of the Puranas, however, here is

another challenge for all the Vedic, non-Vedic and even anti-Vedic jyotishis

the world over! Let them quote even a single shloka from any Purana, Smriti or

Shastra that has advised us to consult some soothsayer before embarking on any

plan! On the other hand, in the Mahabharata, Bhishma has advised that any

" nakshatra soochi-brahman " must be treated as a chandala. That is

exactly contrary to what Varahamihira has said in his Brihat Samhita

" Yavanas (like Maya of the Surya Sidhanta and Sphujidwaja of Yavana

Jatakam etc.!) are mlechhas but because they know astrology, they are treated

as Rishis " .!

Every jyotishi knows, or is supposed to

know, that all the sidhantas and karna granthas right from the Surya Sidhanta

of Maya the mlechha to Graha-Laghava of Ganesha Daivajnya have fundamentally

wrong orbital elements! And every jyotishi also knows that till a hundred

years back, i.e. till the advent of modern astronomy into India, panchangas in Bharatavarsha

were calculated from those very useless works i.e. sidhantas and

karna-granthas! That means that even those panchangas were absolutely wrong!

And horoscopes were prepared from those very wrong panchangas till a few

decades back in India!

What is most surprising is that " Vedic astrologers " are shouting

from housetops that our ancestors right from Varahamihira to " my

grandpa " made correct predictions and that is why Hindu astrology was/is

more accurate and respected than any other astrology the world over!

Hindu astrology, which was actually Greek

astrology, is/was actually thus based on the most inaccurate astronomical data

and still we claim that our " ancestors " made correct predictions!

Obviously, HINDU ASTROLOGY (KNOWN AS VEDIC ASTROLOGY NOW-A-DAYS) MEANS

" THE ART (OR IS IT THE 'SCIENCE'?) OF MAKING CORRECT

PREDICTIONS FROM INCORRECT DATA "

Can there be any claim more ludicrous than

that?

Ironically, however, to the best of my

knowledge, no astrologer has till date predicted as to which earthquake or

disaster (tsunami!) would take place where and when! No astrologer

had ever predicted that your namesake late P V Narasimha Rao would be the

PM! No jyotishi had even hinted that Shri Deve Gowda or Mr. I. K. Gujral

would be the PM! More than a decade back, the Congress I had been written

off by the " greatest Vedic astrologer of the twentieth century " in

his Astrological Magazine and had advised Smti. Sonia Gandhi to leave the

country lock, stock and barrel! The editor of BABAji magazine had

predicted that the present UPA government would not last beyond more than

six months after taking over the reins and it is learnt that on the basis of

that prediction the BJP MPS had even started making preparations for fresh

coronation of Shri Vajapayee around September 2004! They are, however, still

waiting for that prediction to materialize whereas in the meantime, Shri

Vajapayee's " is not keeping good health " ---something which no

jyotishi had " foreseen " .

That reminds me that the present PM, Dr.

Manmohan Singh, does not know even his time of birth---and mercifully no jyotishi

has claimed that he/she had predicted that " Singh would be the

king " .

That also reminds me that the

" greatest Vedic astrologer of the twentieth century " had

'planned astrologically' to deliver a lecture on January 3 of the

ensuing year on " Astrology as an aid to the diagnosis of heart

attacks " but he died fifteen days prior-- and that also of " Cardiac

arrest " --- to delivering that " astrologically planned " lecture!

His " Notable

Horoscopes " gives the most incorrect planetary longitudes of all the

horoscopes including that of his own---yet he has made correct

" assessments " /predictions of all the charts in that work! That

is why I say " Vedic astrologers can make correct predictions only from

incorrect data " .

If the jyotishis cannot foresee anything

even about themselves correctly, how on earth can they foresee and then guide

someone else properly?

What is most damaging for these

" Vedic astrologers " is the fact that in spite of their claims that

they have been practicing the so called nirayana astrology at least over the

last seven thousand years, (right from the Vedic times!) they are still unable

to decide as to which ayanamsha, if any, is the correct one! As on date,

there are at lest half a dozen ayanamshas like Lahiri, Ramana, Yukteswhar, Kharegat,

Fagan, Chandra Hari, Chopra, Surya Sidhanta, Graha-Laghava and even

" zero " ayanamsha going around---each claiming to give the maximum

correct results! What they fail to understand that if any

ayanamsha is correct, all the rest are incorrect! All of them can

never be correct, though all of them can simultaneously be wrong!

These jyotishis are even unaware of the

fact that astrological rashis---whether sayana or nirayana--- exist only in

their imagination since the Rashis have no existence actually/astronomically

and that is why we find hundreds of ayanamshas! Zodiac cannot

be divided into neat twelve equal segments/compartments/divisions

astronomically and that is why whether it is JPL or NASA or Greenwich

Observatory, they do not give planetary longitudes in terms of Aries etc. signs

in any of their astronomical works but just the longitudes from 0 to 359.999999

degrees!

It is actually Aries, Taurus etc.

constellations that were taken as rashis (astrological signs) by Greek

astrologers and that is what was imported into India! You can rest assured

that even the so called sayana rashis do not exist astronomically! Thus

there is absolutely no dichotomy or confusion about sayana and nirayana since

no rashis exist at all! It is thus a confusion created by jyotishsis of

the East and the West!

The real Vedic Rishis including the real

Vamadevas, unlike the fake Vamadevas of today, never believed in any predictive

hocus pocus and they did not need any astrological Rashis thus! The Vedic

seers named the Vedic months just Madhu, Madhava etc. and related them to

seasons and to four cardinal pointsâ€”---i.e. the two Equinoxes and two

Solstices! It is a fallacy to align the Vedic months to Rashis---whether

the so called Sayana or the so called nirayana and that is why we are all

celebrating our festivals and muhurtas on wrong days!

The most glaring example of the

" benefits of 'Vedic astrology " is that you, the

head-cum-founder-cum-owner of the group of " Vedic-astrology "

() will be celebrating Janmashtami on August 23/24 only because you are a

" Vedic astrologer " whereas actually, as per all the shastras by

which you and your clan of jyotishis swear, it was to be celebrated on July

24! Similarly, you and the rest of India will be celebrating Pitra-Amavasya

on the day of actual Dipavali and pitrapaksha during a period which is actually

suitable for marriages! You will be celebrating marriages during actual

pitra-paksha! All such travesties are taking place and will continue to take

place with you and your fellow Vedic-astrologersâ€”and thereby the whole of

Hindu community---only because you believe in Mesha etc. Rashis---whether the

so called Sayana or so called nirayana---and then desire that the rashi based

hocus pocus of predictive gimmicks must be known as " Vedic

astrology " !

When I pointed out all the anachronisms to

you in " Vedic-astrology () " forum, you just summarily banned

me from that group on the recommendation of some Western " Vedic

astrologer " who was finding it difficult to market his trinkets through

your forum after reading my arguments!

However, I am sending you an invitation

separately to join

HinduCalendar

forum to see for yourself as to how the

entire Hindu community is being taken for a ride and compelled to celebrate all

the festivals on wrong days by " Vedic astrologers " just to make a

fast buck or gain some " reputation " . You can post your views,

whatever they maybe, on that forum without any restrictions since the posts to

that forum are not moderated at all!

I really and sincerely appreciate

the efforts of some people, including you, about saving Rama-Setu etc. but what

intrigues me is your silence and the silence of other scholars about the

various dates of birth of Bhagwan Rama according to " Vedic

astrologers " ! Tfshey say He incarnated anywhere between 153 BCE and 9000

BCE, whereas the Rama-Setu is supposed to be hundreds of thousands of years

old! Even a " his holiness of the art of something " has

" confirmed " (sic!) that the date of birth of Bhagwan Ram was/is

January 14, 5114 BCE, as His horoscope was prepared by an Income Tax

Commissioner for that date!

Don't you think jyotishis are actually

making a laughing stock of the entire Hindu community thus especially when the

same Valmiki Ramayana, on the basis of which Bhagwan Ram is supposed to have

incarnated on January 14, 5114 BCE as per the jyotishis, tells us that Shri Ram

ruled for 11000 years? These jyotishis cannot have the cake and eat it as

well!

In any case, predictive astrologers are

requested that if predictive gimmicks are a necessary evil for them and if they

cannot survive without them just as drug addicts cannot survive without drugs,

these jyotishis must at least leave the Hindu calendar alone---They must not

poke their filthy nose into the affairs of deciding the fasts and festivals and

muhurtas! Let them go on making fanciful forecasts as to whether Kaloo or

Maloo will be the PM on the basis of any of the zillions of ayanamshas---but

let them just step out of preparing panchangas! Unfortunately, I have a

premonition that they will not do so because whenever any seminar or conference

is held regarding streamlining the Hindu calendar, it is invariably always

attended by and presided over by " Vedic astrologers " with the

result that we are always back to square one i.e. go on celebrating festivals

as advised by Lahiri-walas instead of the shastras!

It thus goes without saying that I will

have to continue my " Dharma-yudha " against " Vedic

astrology " for streamlining the Hindu calendar---because the real Vedic

calendar and predictive gimmicks cannot exist side by side in the real Vedic

culture! Andy I am sure of my victory, in spite of the fact that I have to

face billions upon billions of jyotishis since I know " yato dharmas tato

jayah " !

With regards,

AKK

August 23, 2008

Sushri Dipika ji,

Namaskar!

My journey through jyotisha---phalita, of course!---labyrinth has

been a real evolutionary one! To start with, I was an astro-buff

like my maternal grandfather, who could make correct predictions from

horoscopes prepared from Makaranda/Grahalaghava panchangas---the most

ludicrous astronomical works, next only to Maya the mlechha's Surya

Sidhanta!

Later, I found from the Puranas and also the sidhantas (the Surya

Sidahnta was a divine work for me also till about a decade back!)

that they all referred to a (so called) Sayana rashichakra! It means

that Sayana astrology i.e. the one based on the so called Sayana

rashis could be the real Vedic astrology and it could be the only

rashichakra which was to be followed for festivals etc.! Like the

Surya Sidhanta, I also clubbed the start of Ashvini nakshatra with

Meshaarambha i.e. the Vernal Equinox then, quite oblivious of the

fact that that just could not be possible.

That dichotomy was pointed out by a gentleman Shri Paul Kekai

Manansala that the Vedic Seers could never have clubbed the real

nakshatras with imaginary Sayana Rashis! Since his argument was quite

logical, and being a seeker of Truth instead of just a Phalita

jyotishi, whether Sayana-Vedic or nirayana-Vedic,I had willy-nilly to

go through the entire gamut of rashis and nakshatras and calendar

making all over again! I could not find any Mesha etc. Rashis in any

of the Vedas nor in any original astronomicl indigenous work like the

Rik-Jyotisham (also known as Vedanga Jyotisha) or Yajur Jyotisha or

even the so called Atharva-Jyotisha or any of the sidhantas of the

pre-Surya Sidhana era! It was thus clear that Mesha etc. Rashis---

whether the so called Sayana or the so called Nirayana, had been

imported into India from somewhere else as they were conspicuous by

their absence from all the Vedic and post-Vedic works upto about

fourth century BCE!

This fact of rashis having been imported into India from somewhre

else had actualy been confirmed by all the prominent scholars like S.

B. Dikshit, Dr. M. N. Saha, Sri Sarma etc. etc. already and has now

been re-confirmed by Dr. R. N. Iyengar in his archaeo-astronomy

papers!

Since my main aims was to streamline the Hindu calnear, I found that

there was thus a direct conflict between the Mesha etc. Rashis and

the Hindu calendar since if the Rashis were taken as Sayana, they

could not be linked to nakshatras at all, and if we take them as

nirayana rashis---out of hunreds of nirayana aynamshas---none of them

could be linked to the seasons! That is why the real Vamadevas never

had any requirement of any Mesha etc. Rashis, since for them

Madhu/Chaitra, Madhava/Vaishkaha etc. 12 months coupled with Vasanta

etc. six Ritus and the four cardinal points viz. the two solstices

and two equinoxes was more than sufficient for deciding their fasts

and festivals!

For krittika etc. nakshatras, the Seers did not need any Mesha etc.

Rashis since the nakshatras had an indpendent existence for them!

Thus it is only phalita jyotishsis who need rashis---whether Sayana

or nirayana---for their survival---and not the real Vedic calendar!

And since the phalita-walas cannot do without Mesha etc. Rashis, they

just thrust them on the Hindu calendar/festivals also because they

know that unless and until they attach some religious siginificance to

those imaginary Rashis, nobody is going to take their phalit hocus-

pocus seriously! That is how and why there is a direct conflict

between the

real Vedic calendar and the unreal " Vedic astrologers " . And that is

why these jyotishis attend every conference/seminar for streamlining

the Hindu calendar and it is only the " most successful Vedic

astrologer " who presides over such conferences/seminars! We have

thus been always back to square one after such innumerable

conferencess and seminars! It will be clear from PAC3.doc from the

files section!

<This was claimed by one of Astrologers who went through your article

on http://www.aryasamaj.org/eng_art/do_celebrate_in_time.htm>

As explained above, in a sort of way, that " claim " of

that " astrologer " was correct as on that date when I had written that

article! It was a similar situation with the members of the

then " All India Calendar Reform Committee " who had joined that

committee only to " show to the whole world that sayana was the real

predictive system of Vedic astrology " rather than celebrating the

festivals on correct days! I am sure most of them do not celebrate

festivals on corect days even today though they practise " sayana Vedic

astrology " ! That is why I resigned from that Committee as its

president since that " Aryasamaja-wala astrologer " and also

the " Committee-wale astrologers " have got just stuck with that

stance of mine whereas I have continued on my journey after

jettisoning such mill-stones around the neck by the roadiside.

With regards,

AKK

PS

Could you kindly teach me the art of typing Sanskrit words in

Devanagri script in posts as you have typed the words à¤¸à¤¤à¥à¤¯à¤®à¥‡à¤µ

à¤œà¤¯à¤¤à¥‡.

I am sure no member will have any objection to this request of mine!

AKK

, " dipika blr "

<blr.aspirant wrote:

>

> ---------- Forwarded message ----------

> dipika blr

> Sat, Aug 23, 2008 at 1:05 AM

> Re: [HinduCalendar] " Vedic astrology " ---the greatest fraud

on the

> Vedas!

> HinduCalendar

> Cc: pvr108

>

> Dear Avtar ji,

>

> Do you support Sayana based astrology? This was claimed by one of

> Astrologers who went through your article on

> http://www.aryasamaj.org/eng_art/do_celebrate_in_time.htm

>

> regards

> Dipika

>

> à¤¸à¤¤à¥à¤¯à¤®à¥‡à¤µ à¤œà¤¯à¤¤à¥‡

> --------------------------

> -satyameva jayate naanritam

> satyena pantha vitato devayanah

> yenaa kramantyarishayo hyaaptakaamaa

> yatra tat satyasya paramam nidhaanam

>

> On Fri, Aug 22, 2008 at 5:42 PM, jyotirved <jyotirved wrote:

>

> > Namaste Shri Narasimha P. V. R. Rao-ji,

> >

> > Many thanks for your comments on my article/post " Vedic

astrology " â€ " the

> > greatest fraud on the Vedas--- in IndiaDivine forum, posted by

you in July

> > 2005, but which I saw just today, i.e. August 22, 2008!

> >

> > I am sorry to say that it appears that the knowledge of " Vedic

astrologers "

> > about the Vedic lore is very very poor and maybe that is why they

call

> > themselves " Vedic astrologers " ! They base their claims of

astrology being

> > an " anga " of the Vedas because there is a " Vedanga "

named " Vedanga

> > Jyotisha " ! Let me tell them some hard and unpleasant facts!

> >

> > " Vedanga Jyotisha " is a work by Acharya Lagadha of 14th century

BCE

> > compiled in Kashmir! It tells us just the methodology of

calculating mean

> > tithi and nakshatra etc. apart from Uttarayana, Dakshinaya viz.

the four

> > cardinal points besides Tapah/Magha etc. twelve Vedic months!

> >

> > It does not mention anything even by mistake about any planets

like Budha,

> > Mangal, Shani etc. nor does it say anything about Mesha, Vrisha

etc. Rashis!

> >

> > Obviously, those who call predictive gimmicks as Vedic astrology

just

> > because there is a work named Vedanga Jyotisha, do not even know

ABC of

> > their own Vedic lore! They are just going by what some

overseas " Vamadevas "

> > are telling them! They must therefore study the Vedas and the

Vedangas

> > themselves first and then enter into discussions on such topics---

lest

> > they put on public display their lack of knowledge of their own

shastras

> > otherwise!

> >

> > Here is a challenge to all the " Vedic astrologers " the world

over: pl.

> > quote even a single mantra from any of the Vedas or the Vedanga

Jyotisha or

> > the Yajur Jyotisha or even the Atharva Jyotisha or for that

matter, the so

> > called Atharva Veda Parishishta, which mentions Mesha, Vrisha

etc. Rashis

> > even by mistake!

> >

> > We do not find any mention of any Rashis in any sidhanta either

prior to

> > the Surya Sidhanta of Maya the mlechha of the Panchasidhantika!

> >

> > We do not find any mention of Mangal and Shani etc. planets

either in any

> > of the Vedas, nor the Vedangas nor even any sidhanta prior to

the Surya

> > Sidhatna of Maya the mlechha!

> >

> > Surprisingly, we do not find any mention of Mesha, Vrisha etc.

Rashis in

> > the Mahabharata either though it has mentioned planets and also

nakshatras

> > times without number!

> >

> > Obviously, therefore, to call any predictive gimmicks as Vedic

astrology is

> > taking the Hindu community for a ride!

> >

> > We do find mention of Mesha, Vrisha etc. rashis and Mangal,

Shani etc.

> > planets in the Puranas but much to the chagrin of nirayana-walas,

all the

> > puranas talk of a Mesha Sankranti which is also the day of Vernal

> > Equinox---when the day is equal to night---and Makar Sankanti as

the

> > Uttarayana i.e. Winter Solstice, the shortest day of the year and

so on!

> > That is exactly what Maya the mlechha had done in his Surya

Sidhanta where

> > Makar Sankranti is another name of Uttarayana and so on! It

definitely

> > leads to the irrefutable conclusion that Mesha, Vrisha etc.

Rashis had been

> > imported from the Greeks via Maya's Surya Sidhanta and then later

> > incorporated in the Puranas etc. by some Hindu " sishyas of

Varahamihira " .

> >

> > Talking of the Puranas, however, here is another challenge for

all the

> > Vedic, non-Vedic and even anti-Vedic jyotishis the world over!

Let them

> > quote even a single shloka from any Purana, Smriti or Shastra

that has

> > advised us to consult some soothsayer before embarking on any

plan! On the

> > other hand, in the Mahabharata, Bhishma has advised that

any " nakshatra

> > soochi-brahman " must be treated as a chandala. That is exactly

contrary to

> > what Varahamihira has said in his Brihat Samhita " Yavanas (like

Maya of the

> > Surya Sidhanta and Sphujidwaja of Yavana Jatakam etc.!) are

mlechhas but

> > because they know astrology, they are treated as Rishis " .!

> >

> > Every jyotishi knows, or is supposed to know, that all the

sidhantas and

> > karna granthas right from the Surya Sidhanta of Maya the mlechha

to

> > Graha-Laghava of Ganesha Daivajnya have fundamentally wrong

orbital

> > elements! And every jyotishi also knows that till a hundred

years back,

> > i.e. till the advent of modern astronomy into India, panchangas in

> > Bharatavarsha were calculated from those very useless works i.e.

sidhantas

> > and karna-granthas! That means that even those panchangas were

absolutely

> > wrong! And horoscopes were prepared from those very wrong

panchangas till a

> > few decades back in India! What is most surprising is that " Vedic

> > astrologers " are shouting from housetops that our ancestors right

from

> > Varahamihira to " my grandpa " made correct predictions and that is

why Hindu

> > astrology was/is more accurate and respected than any other

astrology the

> > world over!

> >

> > Hindu astrology, which was actually Greek astrology, is/was

actually thus

> > based on the most inaccurate astronomical data and still we claim

that our

> > " ancestors " made correct predictions! Obviously, HINDU ASTROLOGY

(KNOWN AS

> > VEDIC ASTROLOGY NOW-A-DAYS) MEANS " THE ART (OR IS IT

THE 'SCIENCE'?) OF

> > MAKING CORRECT PREDICTIONS FROM INCORRECT DATA "

> >

> > Can there be any claim more ludicrous than that?

> >

> > Ironically, however, to the best of my knowledge, no astrologer

has till

> > date predicted as to which earthquake or disaster (tsunami!)

would take

> > place where and when! No astrologer had ever predicted that your

namesake

> > late P V Narasimha Rao would be the PM! No jyotishi had even

hinted that

> > Shri Deve Gowda or Mr. I. K. Gujral would be the PM! More than a

decade

> > back, the Congress I had been written off by the " greatest Vedic

astrologer

> > of the twentieth century " in his Astrological Magazine and had

advised Smti.

> > Sonia Gandhi to leave the country lock, stock and barrel! The

editor of

> > BABAji magazine had predicted that the present UPA government

would not last

> > beyond more than six months after taking over the reins and it is

learnt

> > that on the basis of that prediction the BJP MPS had even started

making

> > preparations for fresh coronation of Shri Vajapayee around

September 2004!

> > They are, however, still waiting for that prediction to

materialize whereas

> > in the meantime, Shri Vajapayee's " is not keeping good health " ---

something

> > which no jyotishi had " foreseen " .

> >

> > That reminds me that the present PM, Dr. Manmohan Singh, does not

know even

> > his time of birth---and mercifully no jyotishi has claimed that

he/she had

> > predicted that " Singh would be the king " .

> >

> > That also reminds me that the " greatest Vedic astrologer of the

twentieth

> > century " had 'planned astrologically' to deliver a lecture on

January 3 of

> > the ensuing year on " Astrology as an aid to the diagnosis of

heart attacks "

> > but he died fifteen days prior-- and that also of " Cardiac

arrest " --- to

> > delivering that " astrologically planned " lecture!

> >

> > His " Notable Horoscopes " gives the most incorrect planetary

longitudes of

> > all the horoscopes including that of his own---yet he has made

correct

> > " assessments " /predictions of all the charts in that work! That

is why I say

> > " Vedic astrologers can make correct predictions only from

incorrect data " .

> >

> > If the jyotishis cannot foresee anything even about themselves

correctly,

> > how on earth can they foresee and then guide someone else

properly?

> >

> > What is most damaging for these " Vedic astrologers " is the fact

that in

> > spite of their claims that they have been practicing the so

called nirayana

> > astrology at least over the last seven thousand years, (right

from the Vedic

> > times!) they are still unable to decide as to which ayanamsha, if

any, is

> > the correct one! As on date, there are at lest half a dozen

ayanamshas like

> > Lahiri, Ramana, Yukteswhar, Kharegat, Fagan, Chandra Hari,

Chopra, Surya

> > Sidhanta, Graha-Laghava and even " zero " ayanamsha going around---

each

> > claiming to give the maximum correct results! What they fail to

understand

> > that if any ayanamsha is correct, all the rest are incorrect!

All of them

> > can never be correct, though all of them can simultaneously be

wrong!

> >

> > These jyotishis are even unaware of the fact that astrological

> > rashis---whether sayana or nirayana--- exist only in their

imagination since

> > the Rashis have no existence actually/astronomically and that is

why we find

> > hundreds of ayanamshas! Zodiac cannot be divided into neat

twelve equal

> > segments/compartments/divisions astronomically and that is why

whether it is

> > JPL or NASA or Greenwich Observatory, they do not give planetary

longitudes

> > in terms of Aries etc. signs in any of their astronomical works

but just the

> > longitudes from 0 to 359.999999 degrees!

> >

> > It is actually Aries, Taurus etc. constellations that were taken

as rashis

> > (astrological signs) by Greek astrologers and that is what was

imported into

> > India! You can rest assured that even the so called sayana

rashis do not

> > exist astronomically! Thus there is absolutely no dichotomy or

confusion

> > about sayana and nirayana since no rashis exist at all! It is

thus a

> > confusion created by jyotishsis of the East and the West!

> >

> > The real Vedic Rishis including the real Vamadevas, unlike the

fake

> > Vamadevas of today, never believed in any predictive hocus pocus

and they

> > did not need any astrological Rashis thus! The Vedic seers named

the Vedic

> > months just Madhu, Madhava etc. and related them to seasons and

to four

> > cardinal pointsâ€ " ---i.e. the two Equinoxes and two Solstices! It

is a

> > fallacy to align the Vedic months to Rashis---whether the so

called Sayana

> > or the so called nirayana and that is why we are all celebrating

our

> > festivals and muhurtas on wrong days!

> >

> > The most glaring example of the " benefits of 'Vedic astrology "

is that

> > you, the head-cum-founder-cum-owner of the group of " Vedic-

astrology "

> > () will be celebrating Janmashtami on August 23/24 only

because you are

> > a " Vedic astrologer " whereas actually, as per all the shastras by

which you

> > and your clan of jyotishis swear, it was to be celebrated on July

24!

> > Similarly, you and the rest of India will be celebrating Pitra-

Amavasya on

> > the day of actual Dipavali and pitrapaksha during a period which

is actually

> > suitable for marriages! You will be celebrating marriages during

actual

> > pitra-paksha! All such travesties are taking place and will

continue to

> > take place with you and your fellow Vedic-astrologersâ€ " and thereby

the whole

> > of Hindu community---only because you believe in Mesha etc.

Rashis---whether

> > the so called Sayana or so called nirayana---and then desire that

the rashi

> > based hocus pocus of predictive gimmicks must be known as " Vedic

astrology " !

> >

> > When I pointed out all the anachronisms to you in " Vedic-

astrology () "

> > forum, you just summarily banned me from that group on the

recommendation of

> > some Western " Vedic astrologer " who was finding it difficult to

market his

> > trinkets through your forum after reading my arguments!

> >

> > However, I am sending you an invitation separately to join

> >

> > HinduCalendar

> >

> > forum to see for yourself as to how the entire Hindu community is

being

> > taken for a ride and compelled to celebrate all the festivals on

wrong days

> > by " Vedic astrologers " just to make a fast buck or gain

some " reputation " .

> > You can post your views, whatever they maybe, on that forum

without any

> > restrictions since the posts to that forum are not moderated at

all!

> >

> > I really and sincerely appreciate the efforts of some people,

including

> > you, about saving Rama-Setu etc. but what intrigues me is your

silence and

> > the silence of other scholars about the various dates of birth of

Bhagwan

> > Rama according to " Vedic astrologers " ! Tfshey say He incarnated

anywhere

> > between 153 BCE and 9000 BCE, whereas the Rama-Setu is supposed

to be

> > hundreds of thousands of years old! Even a " his holiness of the

art of

> > something " has " confirmed " (sic!) that the date of birth of

Bhagwan Ram

> > was/is January 14, 5114 BCE, as His horoscope was prepared by an

Income Tax

> > Commissioner for that date!

> >

> > Don't you think jyotishis are actually making a laughing stock of

the

> > entire Hindu community thus especially when the same Valmiki

Ramayana, on

> > the basis of which Bhagwan Ram is supposed to have incarnated on

January 14,

> > 5114 BCE as per the jyotishis, tells us that Shri Ram ruled for

11000

> > years? These jyotishis cannot have the cake and eat it as well!

> >

> > In any case, predictive astrologers are requested that if

predictive

> > gimmicks are a necessary evil for them and if they cannot survive

without

> > them just as drug addicts cannot survive without drugs, these

jyotishis must

> > at least leave the Hindu calendar alone---They must not poke

their filthy

> > nose into the affairs of deciding the fasts and festivals and

muhurtas! Let

> > them go on making fanciful forecasts as to whether Kaloo or Maloo

will be

> > the PM on the basis of any of the zillions of ayanamshas---but

let them just

> > step out of preparing panchangas! Unfortunately, I have a

premonition that

> > they will not do so because whenever any seminar or conference is

held

> > regarding streamlining the Hindu calendar, it is invariably

always attended

> > by and presided over by " Vedic astrologers " with the result that

we are

> > always back to square one i.e. go on celebrating festivals as

advised by

> > Lahiri-walas instead of the shastras!

> >

> > It thus goes without saying that I will have to continue

my " Dharma-yudha "

> > against " Vedic astrology " for streamlining the Hindu calendar---

because the

> > real Vedic calendar and predictive gimmicks cannot exist side by

side in the

> > real Vedic culture! Andy I am sure of my victory, in spite of

the fact that

> > I have to face billions upon billions of jyotishis since I

know " yato

> > dharmas tato jayah " !

> >

> > With regards,

> >

> > AKK

> >

>

August 24, 2008

, " Avtar Krishen Kaul "

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