Guest guest Posted August 17, 2008 Report Share Posted August 17, 2008 Resp Kaul ji, Namaskar, Yes, you are quite right that our businessman, cunning astrologers have nothing to say in support of their stand. You may have seen I am asking repeatedly about the principles of predictive astrology, But not a single astrologer is coming forward and leave it even general members do not have inquisitive mind. Because every orator is busy in closing the inquisitive mind with the storm of blind-faith. But question is this when crop of ignorant heads is easily available to the astrologer, in the society for cutting, exploiting, cheating, befooling etc. and sufferer is not willing to hear about his exploitation (either in the form of wrong prediction or in the form of wrong dates of festivals etc.) and moreover he do not want to know about his exploitation then what can be done. Because so long ignorant heads with full of blind-faith will be available in the society (which comprises 70% illiterate and 29.9% follower of these 70% due to count of heads) till then there is sufficient scope for cunning astrologers. And at the most we can see as to how they are being exploited like a hen that is being prepared for a meal. In this turbulent situation it is more then enough if we save our-selves from the storm of cheaters. Yours truly, Sanat On Sat, 16 Aug 2008 Avtar Krishen Kaul wrote : >HinduCalendar , " Avtar Krishen Kaul " ><jyotirved wrote: > > >Dear friends, >Namaskar! ><I am strictly against slandering of the ancient Puranas and the >Vedas which is being done here, and my links tell me that here is a >Kashmiri Pandit who is a Muslim converted into a Hindu Pundit for >commercial purposes, but since no more business available now in >Kashmir, he has got down to the rotten depths of slandering Hindus >and their ancinet practises of yore have been given name of >superstitions.> > >The Gita has said, " adharmam dharmam it ya-manyate tamsa-avrita >sarvarthan vipareetanshchai, budhih sa paartha tamasi " >i.e. > " Know that intellect to be tamasi which considers adharma as dharma >and also construes every thing in an entirely opposite sense " . > >I have asked all the jyotishis the world over to quote even a single >sholka from any Veda, Purana or shastra that has advised us to >consult some soothsayer before embarking on any plan. They have yet >to cite even a single such " pramana " but still they want me to agree >with them that the hocus pocus called " Vedic jyotish " is enshrined in >our shastras! > >When asked as to why has the Mbh asked to treat a nakshatra-soochi >brahmana as chandala, they claim ignorance! > >When asked to quote even a single mantra or sholka from any shastra >that has advised us to believe in bhagya instead of karma, they just >beat about the bush! > >When asked to give one good reason as to how the predictions of >Varahamahira or Prithuyashas or Rama Dayalu or Kashi Nath or even >Ganesha Daivajnya, for that matter, could be correct when the >fundamental arguments of all such works as were being used for >preparing panchangas till a hundred years back were monstrously >wrong, they just mumble some abracdabra which makes no sense at all! > >When asked as to how could Lahri Ayanamsha be as per the shastras and >how could Bhagwan Rama and Krishna have Incarnated in that >Rashichakra, since Lahiri himself was not around more than a hundred >years back, they again prattle something like " Chitra Ayanamsha " >which itself proves that they do not know even ABC of astronomy! > >When asked as to why there are at least half a dozen ayanamshas >floating around in " Vedic astrology " even today, if it has been >practised by all the Rishis (sic!) inclduing Vamadeva ever since at >least 5000 BCE---for the last 7000 years!---they claim that each >jyotishi is free to choose any ayanamsha! > >When asked as to how the Narada Purana could give the same >fundamental arguments about astronomy, inlcuding the Ayanamsha >sholkas, as given in the Surya Sidhana of Maya the mlechha, unless it >was an interpolation by soem good for nothing jyotishi, they just >evade the issues! > >When asked as to how the Vishnudahrmottara-Purana could give these >same planetary orbital elements etc. as given in Brahma-Sphuta- >Sidhanta, unles it was plagiarism of the worst order, they just >practise a studied silence! > >When asked as to how could Bhagwan Ram have incarnated in around 9000 >BCE as per the so called planetary position in the Valmiki Ramayana >since the same Valmiki Ramayana tells us that He ruled for 11000 >years, they just avoid the topic! > >One jyotishi of " ancient Indian astrology " even " proved " that >Bhagwan Ram had Incarnated as late (or as early!) as around 200 BCE >as per the chart prepared by him from Shri Jagananatha Hora software-- >-that has been prepared by the " master Vedic astrologer " ---the owner >of " Vedic-astrology " of froum)! When confronted with the >facts from NASA and Swiss Ephemeris programs that that the planetary >longitudes etc. calculated by that software were basically and >fundamentally wrong, that gentleman did not bother even to reply that >post, leave alone infroming other members of the forum that he is >moderating about the monstrostosity of that software! > >And, above all, when these jyotishis were asked as to why they are >not following a Sayana Rashichakra for festivals and even their >predictive gimmicks as that is the one given in all the Puranas >including the Vishnu-Purana of Parashara Rishi, they have no answers, >though they claim Brihat Parashara Hora Shastram to be a work of the >same Parashara Rishi! > >And to confuse everybody about their motives of propagating mlechha >jyotisha (which they call " Vedic astrology " ), they go to the depths >of claiming " my links tell me that here is a Kashmiri Pandit who is a >Muslim converted into a Hindu Pundit " ! > >I cannot resist the temptation of quoting a Persian couplet here--- >much to the chagrin of these jyotishis, again!-- > " ta marda sukhan na-gufta bashad, aib o hunarash nihufta bashad " >i.e. > " Unless someone says something, his positive and negative traits >remain hidden " >I am glad that these jyotishis have exposed their real " genetic code - >-genome!) " themselves and thus made the job of every member easier to >take them for what they are: Worse than Islamist fundamentalists who >approach with the proposition with Koran in one hand and sword in >another " choose either of the two " . These jyotishis also have a >similar proposition: " Either you repeat with us 'Predictive gimmicks >are Vedic astrology propounded by all our shastras, or else we dub >you a Muslim convert " . > ><It seems he has got wealth from ancestors for eating 2 times food, >therefore all the time in the world to talk rot and garbage about the >Hindus.> > >As everybody knows by now, all these jyotishis are worried about is >money, money, money! Because they have not read even the Gita--just a >work of 700 shlokas---as otherwise they would not have forgotten > " ananyashchintayanto mam ye jana paryupasate >tesham nitya yuktanam yoga kshemam vahami aham " > >I leave it to you to understand the meaning for yourself. > >Let me close this post with the famous motiff " yato dharmas tato >jayah " --- " Where there is dharma, victory is there " . It is a dharma- >yudha! And in spite of all these " Vedic astrologers " , billions upon >billions of them---we will definitely be able to streamline our >calendars! >Regards, >Avtar Krishen Kaul > > > >HinduCalendar , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@> >wrote: > > > > > > DearGopal Sharma, > > > > Here there are those Hindus who could have cut the heads of those >who > > talk rubbish of the Vedas, and the Puranas, and the great men of > > yesteryears. I am one among those. I wish i was in power, and I >would > > have done justice straightaway. No courts, and no hearings for these > > rascals who talk rubbush about the ancient Hindus and their >practises. > > Are you sure about yourself whether you are a sane real Hindu ? If >so > > then ask the members to leave the frorum, otherwise not. > > > > I am strictly against slandering of the anciient Puranas and the >Vedas > > which is being done here, and my links tell me that here is a >Kashmiri > > Pandit who is a Muslim converted into a Hindu Pundit for commercial > > purposes, but since no more business available now in Kashmir, he >has > > got down to the rotten depths of slandering Hindus and their ancinet > > practises of yore have been given name of superstitions. It seems >he > > has got wealth from ancestors for eating 2 times food, therefore >all the > > time in the world to talk rot and garbage about the Hindus. > > > > Why should we go from here ? > > > > Why not remove these dogs who are doing this, from existence ??? > > > > Bhaskaran . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > HinduCalendar , Gopal Sharma <gksv@> wrote: > > > > > > With the number of idiots being allowed by the Moderator of this > > group..in the " name of free exchange of ideas " ..I disown this farce > > group. > > > Let all sane Hindus get away from this group. > > > There is a saying never argue with an idiot....because he/she will > > bring you down to his/her level..and you cannot compete with >him/her at > > that level..Bye. > > > For me this group is spam now. > > > Bye !!!! > > > > > > K Gopu kgopu_24@ wrote: It is quite strange that Sri arul seem to > > accept only Modern day > > > scientist and that to from a laboratory. whereas the same is said > > > by ancient rishis in a different form it isnt acceptable because > > ancient > > > rishis have not worked scientific labs like the modern day >scientist > >--- End forwarded message --- > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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