[HinduCalendar] Eclipses and fear psychosis

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FYIregrds_____________________ Gullibility unlimited

 

Are we a nation of

gullible people? The rhetorical question needs no answer. The month of August,

2008 was a period when gullibility ran riot. Thanks to a solar, lunar eclipse

and the magical date of 08/08/08! Well first things first.

The month, opened

with a solar eclipse on the very first day. This was partial over India, but seen

in totality in many parts of the world. The minor nature of the eclipse did not

prevent the doomsayers from having a field day. The degree of the eclipse was

not important they said, but the very occurrence of the event would cause

problems. The worst was the lunar

eclipse was that to follow within a fortnight. In the middle of these events

would come the date 08/08/08. These events are the astrologer's dream come

true! They could predict calamities for the whole world and worst for those

whose as(s)trological signs would fall during that period. They predicted rashi dosha(fault with the zodiac sign),

nakshatra dosha (fault with the birth

star) for a good percentage of the population and warned them of the

catastrophes that would befall them. However all was not lost there was

redemption. That was of course, a pooja for the relevant gods and offerings to

them. That could prevent the ill effects of the eclipses and also result in

prosperity by turning the tables on those who cause the very evil effects. The

latter part was very true but the beneficiaries of the prosperity were not

those whose as(s)trolgical signs were at fault. As you would have already

guessed the priestly class, were the ones most benefited. It was not that this

class was speaking through their hat, sorry through their top knot. It was all

based on the latest scientific findings. The claimed that scientist not our desi variety, but from the west had

discovered that some rays are emitted during eclipses which have very evil

effects on all living things. So, the wisdom of the ancients had been proved by

unknown " scientists " who were unheard of in any scientific circles or their

findings published in any responsible journals. Of course all that was due to a

conspiracy of western science which wants to deny the due place to the wisdom

of our ancients. The due wisdom of our ancients had accorded the center of the

universe status to the earth and their infinite wisdom had grouped Rahu, Ketu

(the eclipses), the sun (a star) and the moon (a satellite) all as planets and

listed them as nava grahas - the nine

planets.

The streets were

deserted as all people preferred to stay indoors, all activities came to a

stand still and we are told that many people stopped breathing the eclipse

polluted air to prevent the contamination entering their bodies (of course the

last part is only applicable to those who breathed their last during the

eclipse). No food and water were consumed during that period, except by a few

fool hardy souls like us including most of the members of the Mangalore Today

team who ate heartily suspending their diets, exposing the food and drink (only

fruit juice) to the deadly poisonous rays emitted by the sun. In addition all

these activities were carried out standing in open air and directly exposing

ourselves (only those parts not covered by clothes) to the deadly radiations

emitted by the eclipsed sun. Despite of all these no ill effects were reported

by any except for the editor of Mangalore Today and yours truly complaining

about a burning sensation on the tops of their heads. But, as Mahesh Nayak

remarked that was not due to the solar eclipse radiations but two other well

known facts- the lack of hair on the outside and grey matter on the inside! The

first is of course visible to all, but the second was a secret which we tried

to hide from the public for long.

Any way,

no ill effects have been reported by those who have partaken food and drink

exposed to the deadly solar rays which emanate during eclipses only. In fact

yours truly has been consuming solar exposed food after the total solar eclipse

which he had observed in 1980. Of course the only catastrophe which had

happened to him was that he got married that year and according to his better

half the disaster had happened to her. The lighter aspects part, it is feared

that pregnant women will either abort or deliver babies with congenital

abnormalities if they go out during the eclipse. All food and water get

contaminated and have to be thrown out. However, the same is not applicable to

water in rivers, tanks or other reservoirs. This is probably due to a critical

mass of water being needed to avoid the effects of the radiations! Most threw

out cooked food and started cooking only after the eclipse has passed. Here too

the problem is only for cooked food. The uncooked is not affected. Again, for

cooked food there is a way of decontamination too. If one puts a bit of a

special grass called garike the

contamination can be neutralized. That is what many claimed to do.

Places of

worship, sorry only temples of the Hindus did roaring business. Despite their

adherence to all other sorts of superstitions, eclipses do not affect

Christians and Muslims and hence there were no special prayers at their places

of worship! There were pujas, yagas,

yagnas going on every where each claiming that theirs was the one which

would shield the country from the ill effects of the eclipse. Those whose birth

stars were during the period of the eclipse had to perform special rituals to

get rid of the evil influences and of course like all other things in this

world, nothing comes free. Tne income was for those whose influences would

cause these to vanish. After the eclipse had passed people took a ritual bath

to get rid of the pollution. But, what about the blood circulating, in the

cardio vascular system? Would that not be contaminated too? When the question

was asked the experts on eclipse related problems get angry and reply that the

washing of the body will get rid of all the contamination related to the event!

Why not apply that to the kitchen and wash that instead of throwing away cooked

food. Then follows the excuse that we follow what our ancestors did.

The same

was applied to 08/08/08 I could see an eminent astrologer expounding at length

on a TV channel about the years when all the 8s came and the world shaking

events that happened during them. He however, conveniently said nothing on

those years when these had not come and worst had happened. The Chinese on the

other hand had no problems with these numbers. They considered them as lucky

and an event like the opening ceremony of Olympics started at 8.08 Pm on the 8th

August, 2008! So, we cannot claim a monopoly to gullibility. In fact it was

reported that the maximum number of marriages took place on that day in China. So, what

is lucky for one group of superstitious people can be unlucky for another group

equally or probably more gullible.

Now is

the double jeopardy. The Lunar eclipse scheduled for the 16th

August. It is like rubbing salt on the wounds. A solar eclipse is bad enough,

but a lunar one following soon after would result in mayhem. It could be the

last word on disasters. That is what we have been threatened with by the

forecasters of doom. In the coming year there are going to be floods,

earthquakes, wars, plagues and pestilences unlimited. The world may come to an

end. Well if it does not. Then it will be due to the religious ceremonies

performed which have caused the ill effects to be neutralized. That is

astrology for you. Heads I win, tails you lose. Though it is claimed that what

is put down in the horoscope cannot be changed even by gods, there are rituals

which are more powerful that them. Following these strictly would ensure that

these are totally neutralized or mitigated. For example if the evil influences

wanted to take some ones life, the performance of appropriate rituals could

result in them causing a minor accident to the threatened individual.

If this be not

gullibility what can it be? That reminds of an anecdote of the eminent

philosopher Bertrand Russel. That was about a drunken man who was

caught by a

policeman shouting at the top of his voice late night in Hyde park in

London. When queried as to

what he was doing the man remarked that he was shouting a magical

incantation

to drive away the wild elephants. When the policeman told him that he

must be

crazy to do that as the nearest wild elephant was thousands of miles

away in Africa, he replied that that showed the efficacy of his

ritual! So, are the claims of our as(s)trologers.

Finally, one of guests of the solar eclipse party queried,

whether there would a similar celebration for the lunar eclipse. The reaction

was from another guest, that he would like to watch two eclipsed moons lying on

his back after having fulfilled his spiritual longings. Since most of the

guests present were very spiritual people, yours truly who has limited

financial resources had to request them to look for some other host!

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is the latest. happy independence day. happy lunar eclipse.the sad news

is that chemo is not working for Premanand and he is going back to

Podanur from bangalore to wait for the inevitable.- Show quoted text -

---------- Forwarded message ----------narendra nayakOn Tue, Aug 12, 2008 at 9:30 PM, jyotirved <jyotirved wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear friends,

Namaskar!

 

As is common knowledge by now, there is going to be a

lunar eclipse on August 16 after the Solar eclipse of August 1.

Naturally, TV channels are abuzz with the news that as one eclipse follows

another, it will be catastrophic not only for the nation as a whole but

everybody individually as well!

 

A saying in Hindi is repeated very often these days by

these jyotishis and that saying is:

"ek paakh main do grahna, mare raja ya mare

sena" i.e." if there are two eclipses in one fortnight, either the

king dies or his soldiers die". Some even twist it as "Ek

paksha main do grahna, na rahe raja na sena" i.e " if there are two

eclipses in one fortnight, both the king as well his army will be wiped

out!"

 

There are also references to "ghasrapksha" in

the Mahabharata. It talks of a paksha of thirteen days when one eclipse

had followed another. It is presumed that because of those two eclipses

in one paksha (fortnight), the Mbh war took place and/or the

"Yadu-kula" became defunct!

 

It all shows how ignorant we are actually about basic

astronomical/geographical facts!

 

The fact of the matter is that every year, without fail,

there will be at least two solar eclipses! It just cannot be

helped! But there can never be more than five solar eclipses in a year!

 

There can be a maximum of three lunar eclipses in a

year! WHAT IS TO BE NOTED IS THAT WHENEVER THERE IS A LUNAR ECLIPSE IT IS

ALWAYS EITHER PRECEDED OR FOLLOWED BY A SOLAR ECLIPSE! A lunar eclipse

can never take place without a solar eclipse either preceding or following

it. Sometimes, it is three eclipses in succession: solar

eclipse---lunar eclipse---solar eclipse!

 

 

So instead of explaining the fact that there is nothing

extraordinary about a solar eclipse following a lunar one, all that is being

dinned into our ears is that there is going to be a catastrophe! But

these jyotishis are never specific as to what type of catastrophe it will be

where it will be and when it will be!

 

By analyzing the statements of jyotishis, we arrive at the

conclusion that since there will always be two eclipses whenever there is

a lunar eclipse, which will be almost every year, thus there is going to be a

catastrophe for the nations as a whole and also individuals individually every

year in future! It is also really amazing that in spite of such dire

"results" of eclipses the mankind is still surviving, since there

have been literally thousands of lunar eclipses in the past which means there

were thousands of pairs of lunar and solar eclipses till date!

 

Obviously, the only catastrophe the nations have is the

catastrophe-mongering jyotishis!

 

Regarding thirteen day paksha of the MBh, in ancient India,

only mean tithis were calculated. And it appears that MBh tithis were

calculated as per the principles enumerated in the Vedanga Jyotisha. So

if it was a paksha of thirteen days during the MBh war, it is not clear

as to which tithis were kshyaya, because only when two tithes are kshyaya,

it can be thirteen days instead of fifteen days in a paksha .

 

However, I checked the details of eclipses on NASA website

for 3200 BCE to 1500 BCE. There have been at least a hundred eclipses

during that period that have followed one another within thirteen days!

Does it mean that there have been at least a hundred Mbh wars during that

period, if another eclipse during a span of thirteen days denotes nothing but

bloodshed!

 

All this noise about one calamity following another because

of the two eclipses being in succession, is as such, as per the

"commandments" of Varahamihira, whose main aim was to provide

"job security" to the people of his clan, since he had advised that

"every king must have a samvatsarika"---even if he had no commander

in chief or Prime Minister!

 

And he has succeeded well in his efforts! Whether or

not anybody suffers from some catastrophe because of eclipses, jyotishis are

making us suffer certainly but they are themselves enjoying a bonanza!

They are busy with performing pujas and remedial measures for their clients ny

having created fear psychosis and thus fattening their bank balances by

fleecing the gullible! There is a saying in Persian, "Murda jannat

ravad ya ba dozakh, mula ra naan-o-paneer"—i.e. "whether the

departed soul goes to hell or heaven, it is immaterial for the priest/mullah

performing the ceremonies for the dead! All he is bothered about is his

bread and butter".

 

Let us, therefore, enjoy the eclipses with certain

precautions---especially the solar ones and be one with Nature! That is

the most befitting reply to these catastrophe-mongers.

With regards,

Avtar Krishen Kaul

 

 

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befitting reply.dipika blr <blr.aspirant wrote: FYIregrds_____________________ Gullibility unlimited Are we a nation of gullible people? The rhetorical question needs no answer. The month of August, 2008 was a period when gullibility ran riot. Thanks to a solar, lunar eclipse and the magical

date of 08/08/08! Well first things first. The month, opened with a solar eclipse on the very first day. This was partial over India, but seen in totality in many parts of the world. The minor nature of the eclipse did not prevent the doomsayers from having a field day. The degree of the eclipse was not important they said, but the very occurrence of the event would cause problems. The worst was the lunar eclipse was that to follow within a fortnight. In the middle of these events would come the date 08/08/08. These events are the astrologer's dream come true! They could predict calamities for the whole world and worst for those whose as(s)trological signs would fall during that period. They predicted rashi dosha(fault with the zodiac sign), nakshatra dosha (fault with the birth star) for a good percentage of the population and warned them of the catastrophes that would befall them.

However all was not lost there was redemption. That was of course, a pooja for the relevant gods and offerings to them. That could prevent the ill effects of the eclipses and also result in prosperity by turning the tables on those who cause the very evil effects. The latter part was very true but the beneficiaries of the prosperity were not those whose as(s)trolgical signs were at fault. As you would have already guessed the priestly class, were the ones most benefited. It was not that this class was speaking through their hat, sorry through their top knot. It was all based on the latest scientific findings. The claimed that scientist not our desi variety, but from the west had discovered that some rays are emitted during eclipses which have very evil effects on all living things. So, the wisdom of the ancients had been proved by unknown "scientists" who were unheard of in any scientific circles or their findings published in any responsible journals.

Of course all that was due to a conspiracy of western science which wants to deny the due place to the wisdom of our ancients. The due wisdom of our ancients had accorded the center of the universe status to the earth and their infinite wisdom had grouped Rahu, Ketu (the eclipses), the sun (a star) and the moon (a satellite) all as planets and listed them as nava grahas - the nine planets. The streets were deserted as all people preferred to stay indoors, all activities came to a stand still and we are told that many people stopped breathing the eclipse polluted air to prevent the contamination entering their bodies (of course the last part is only applicable to those who breathed their last during the eclipse). No food and water were consumed during that period, except by a few fool hardy souls like us including most of the members of the Mangalore Today team who ate heartily suspending their

diets, exposing the food and drink (only fruit juice) to the deadly poisonous rays emitted by the sun. In addition all these activities were carried out standing in open air and directly exposing ourselves (only those parts not covered by clothes) to the deadly radiations emitted by the eclipsed sun. Despite of all these no ill effects were reported by any except for the editor of Mangalore Today and yours truly complaining about a burning sensation on the tops of their heads. But, as Mahesh Nayak remarked that was not due to the solar eclipse radiations but two other well known facts- the lack of hair on the outside and grey matter on the inside! The first is of course visible to all, but the second was a secret which we tried to hide from the public for long. Any way, no ill effects have been reported by those who have partaken food and drink exposed to the deadly

solar rays which emanate during eclipses only. In fact yours truly has been consuming solar exposed food after the total solar eclipse which he had observed in 1980. Of course the only catastrophe which had happened to him was that he got married that year and according to his better half the disaster had happened to her. The lighter aspects part, it is feared that pregnant women will either abort or deliver babies with congenital abnormalities if they go out during the eclipse. All food and water get contaminated and have to be thrown out. However, the same is not applicable to water in rivers, tanks or other reservoirs. This is probably due to a critical mass of water being needed to avoid the effects of the radiations! Most threw out cooked food and started cooking only after the eclipse has passed. Here too the problem is only for cooked food. The uncooked is not affected. Again, for cooked food there is a way of decontamination too. If one puts a bit of a special grass called garike the contamination can be neutralized. That is what many claimed to do. Places of worship, sorry only temples of the Hindus did roaring business. Despite their adherence to all other sorts of superstitions, eclipses do not affect Christians and Muslims and hence there were no special prayers at their places of worship! There were pujas, yagas, yagnas going on every where each claiming that theirs was the one which would shield the country from the ill effects of the eclipse. Those whose birth stars were during the period of the eclipse had to perform special rituals to get rid of the evil influences and of course like all other things in this world, nothing comes free. Tne income was for those whose influences would cause these to vanish. After the eclipse had passed people took a ritual bath to get rid of the pollution. But, what

about the blood circulating, in the cardio vascular system? Would that not be contaminated too? When the question was asked the experts on eclipse related problems get angry and reply that the washing of the body will get rid of all the contamination related to the event! Why not apply that to the kitchen and wash that instead of throwing away cooked food. Then follows the excuse that we follow what our ancestors did. The same was applied to 08/08/08 I could see an eminent astrologer expounding at length on a TV channel about the years when all the 8s came and the world shaking events that happened during them. He however, conveniently said nothing on those years when these had not come and worst had happened. The Chinese on the other hand had no problems with these numbers. They considered them as lucky and an event like the opening ceremony of Olympics started at

8.08 Pm on the 8th August, 2008! So, we cannot claim a monopoly to gullibility. In fact it was reported that the maximum number of marriages took place on that day in China. So, what is lucky for one group of superstitious people can be unlucky for another group equally or probably more gullible. Now is the double jeopardy. The Lunar eclipse scheduled for the 16th August. It is like rubbing salt on the wounds. A solar eclipse is bad enough, but a lunar one following soon after would result in mayhem. It could be the last word on disasters. That is what we have been threatened with by the forecasters of doom. In the coming year there are going to be floods, earthquakes, wars, plagues and pestilences unlimited. The world may come to an end. Well if it does not. Then it will be due to the religious ceremonies performed which have caused the ill

effects to be neutralized. That is astrology for you. Heads I win, tails you lose. Though it is claimed that what is put down in the horoscope cannot be changed even by gods, there are rituals which are more powerful that them. Following these strictly would ensure that these are totally neutralized or mitigated. For example if the evil influences wanted to take some ones life, the performance of appropriate rituals could result in them causing a minor accident to the threatened individual. If this be not gullibility what can it be? That reminds of an anecdote of the eminent philosopher Bertrand Russel. That was about a drunken man who was caught by a policeman shouting at the top of his voice late night in Hyde park in London. When queried as to what he was doing the man remarked that he was shouting a magical incantation to drive away the wild elephants. When the policeman told him that

he must be crazy to do that as the nearest wild elephant was thousands of miles away in Africa, he replied that that showed the efficacy of his ritual! So, are the claims of our as(s)trologers. Finally, one of guests of the solar eclipse party queried, whether there would a similar celebration for the lunar eclipse. The reaction was from another guest, that he would like to watch two eclipsed moons lying on his back after having fulfilled his spiritual longings. Since most of the guests present were very spiritual people, yours truly who has limited financial resources had to request them to look for some other host! --- Show quoted

text - r the next two weeks we can put together about 30 articles. This would be a minimum requirement if the site is to appear professional and if we are going to get reviewed and linked to by other sites. We are going to need a common platform to communicate and share files. I am aware that many of you have little time to spare but its important for us all to join the site as members.Go on the website and scroll down to the "Community" section in the sidebar. Register using email address and confirm your registration by clicking on the link in the email sent to you. On the member dashboard where you are asked for your profile information, please use the name that you would be blogging under. If you are concerned with safety issues or want to remain anonymous for some reason, you are welcome to do so. Just let me know what name you are using. show details 10:24 AM (3 minutes ago) here is the latest. happy independence day. happy lunar eclipse.the sad news is that chemo is not working for Premanand and he is going back

to Podanur from bangalore to wait for the inevitable.- Show quoted text - ---------- Forwarded message ----------narendra nayakOn Tue, Aug 12, 2008 at 9:30 PM, jyotirved <jyotirved (AT) sify (DOT) com> wrote: Dear friends, Namaskar! As is common knowledge by now, there is going to be a lunar eclipse on August 16 after the Solar eclipse of August 1. Naturally, TV channels are abuzz with the news that as one eclipse follows another, it will be catastrophic not only for the nation as a whole but everybody individually as well! A saying in Hindi is repeated very often these days by these jyotishis and that saying is: "ek paakh main do grahna, mare raja ya mare sena" i.e." if there are two eclipses in one fortnight, either the king dies or his soldiers die". Some

even twist it as "Ek paksha main do grahna, na rahe raja na sena" i.e " if there are two eclipses in one fortnight, both the king as well his army will be wiped out!" There are also references to "ghasrapksha" in the Mahabharata. It talks of a paksha of thirteen days when one eclipse had followed another. It is presumed that because of those two eclipses in one paksha (fortnight), the Mbh war took place and/or the "Yadu-kula" became defunct! It all shows how ignorant we are actually about basic astronomical/geographical facts! The fact of the matter is that every year, without fail, there will be at least two solar eclipses! It just cannot be helped! But there can never be more than five solar eclipses in a year! There can be a maximum of three lunar eclipses in a year! WHAT IS TO BE NOTED IS THAT WHENEVER THERE IS A LUNAR ECLIPSE IT IS ALWAYS EITHER PRECEDED OR FOLLOWED BY A SOLAR ECLIPSE! A lunar eclipse can never take place without a solar eclipse either preceding or following it. Sometimes, it is three eclipses in succession: solar eclipse---lunar eclipse---solar eclipse! So instead of explaining the fact that there is nothing extraordinary about a solar eclipse following a lunar one, all that is being dinned into our ears is that there is going to be a catastrophe! But these jyotishis are never specific as to what type of catastrophe it will be where it will be and when it will be! By analyzing the statements of jyotishis, we arrive at the conclusion that since there will always be two eclipses whenever there is a lunar eclipse, which will be almost every year, thus there is going to be a catastrophe for the nations as a whole and also individuals individually every year in future! It is also really amazing that in spite of such dire "results" of eclipses the mankind is still surviving, since there have been literally thousands of lunar eclipses in the past which means there were thousands of pairs of lunar and solar eclipses till date! Obviously, the only catastrophe the nations have is the catastrophe-mongering jyotishis! Regarding thirteen day paksha of the MBh, in ancient India, only mean tithis were calculated. And it appears that MBh tithis were calculated as per the principles enumerated in the Vedanga Jyotisha. So if it was a paksha of thirteen days during the MBh war, it is not clear as to which tithis were kshyaya, because only when two tithes are kshyaya, it can be thirteen days instead of fifteen days in a paksha . However, I checked the details of eclipses on NASA website for 3200 BCE to 1500 BCE. There have

been at least a hundred eclipses during that period that have followed one another within thirteen days! Does it mean that there have been at least a hundred Mbh wars during that period, if another eclipse during a span of thirteen days denotes nothing but bloodshed! All this noise about one calamity following another because of the two eclipses being in succession, is as such, as per the "commandments" of Varahamihira, whose main aim was to provide "job security" to the people of his clan, since he had advised that "every king must have a samvatsarika"---even if he had no commander in chief or Prime Minister! And he has succeeded well in his efforts! Whether or not anybody suffers from some catastrophe because of eclipses, jyotishis are making us suffer certainly but they are themselves enjoying a bonanza! They are busy with performing pujas and remedial measures for their clients ny having created fear psychosis and thus fattening their bank balances by fleecing the gullible! There is a saying in Persian, "Murda jannat ravad ya ba dozakh, mula ra naan-o-paneer"—i.e. "whether the departed soul goes to hell or heaven, it is immaterial for the priest/mullah performing the ceremonies for the dead! All he is bothered about is his bread and butter". Let us, therefore, enjoy the eclipses with certain precautions---especially the solar ones and be one with Nature! That is the most befitting reply to these catastrophe-mongers. With regards, Avtar Krishen Kaul binode kripalani numerologist 9831664581(Kolkata) binodeuk binode_kripalani

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Resp. Ms. Dipika Ji,

Namaskar,

Congratulations to every member on the day of independence.

Thanks for your msg after a very long time.

 

In my earlier msg on 1/8 and 3/8/8 to the forum it was highlighted as

to how position of Ketu was not matching with the position of the Sun

and Moon at the time of total solar eclipse.

 

But not a single member (except Sh Kaul Ji, who replied it

astronomically) has even attempted to answer about the mistake.

Though I know that so many astrologers are member in the forum and

regularly advising (?) so many innocent persons about their future

and claiming that predictive astrology is science or divine science

and so on. But actually they don't want to indulge in vibrant

discussion for fear of loosing their credibility if other members may

come to know about their ignorance. Hence they have selected the path

of silence. Because they are more interested in their business

instead of finding some truth in astrology. Thus they prefer to boost

blind-faith in the society.

 

Our sages were also interested in shastrath (discussion) and if a

party is not able to give some concrete logic then his concept was

rejected and society try to follow the correct and logical path

directed by the sages. We are also doing discussion but still we

don't have independent logical views and are being lured by faith

without any logic hence it is blind faith.

 

In view of lunar eclipse of, I am again providing the position of

sun, moon and Rahu at the time of total lunar eclipse. At the time of

total lunar eclipse postion of Sun is 300 degree, Moon at 120 degree

but Rahu / Ketu will be at 294 and 114 degrees. Whereas they must

also be at 300 and 120 deg. because eclipse occur at the time of

intersection of the orbit of the Sun and moon and their simultaneous

presence at this point. Thus position of Rahu / Ketu, two major

planets in the horoscope for predictive purpose are not at right

position in any of the horoscopes and they are 6 deg away or in words

their position in the horoscope are wrong by 6 deg.

 

I have requested the members to ask their astrologer or may ask in

other forum of their choice if they are not able to find the answer.

I hope innocent and ignorant member of the forum will realize that

how astrologers who are not aware with the deep knowledge about the

astrology, and trying to cheat them in the name of forecast or

science or divine science.

 

Biggest fun is that every body is advocating his system. One is

saying that a planet is in one house another astrologer is saying

that it is in another house. One is saying that there is no remedy

and we can just prepare ourself whereas another has lot of remedy in

the form of lal kitab, gems, vaastu and so on, one is saying that

there is no Kaal sarp yog, other astrologer is busy in remedy of this

yog and so on. Actually every astrologer is confused and trying to

develop his own foolproof system (refer any forum) whereas root of

all systems is buried in primitive history. Which says that Sun is

nearer and Moon is far away. I have pointed it many times with a

question as to how sign lord (basic brick) was formulated. But

astrologers are mum because they only know to befool other and do not

want to find the truth.

 

So far I have raised many simple questions without any answer from

the learned astrologers. May I now ask members as to how week days

were decided? (not from you). I hope members will continue to discuss.

 

I hope many members who are not businessman astrologer may have been

convinced by now that astrological principles are not logical and

scientific. I hope they will be away from astrologer to save their

money and self-confidence and if not then they can raise questions

for proper discussion.

 

Keep sending your msg.

 

Thanks

Yours truly,

Sanat

 

 

PS: I hope Sh. Pathi, Razdan, Ghopal Ji, Jyotishi 2001, vinvj,

rongaunt including some members like haresh ji, Deshmukhv,

Khosladheeraj, Jagannathankr, amolmandar, rajeevshattar and many more

silent members will take active part in discussion for exploring the

astrology.

 

Members may please offer their observation on the msg " eclipse and

fear psychosis'' of Sh Kaul ji dated 12-8-8 .

 

 

 

 

 

, " dipika blr "

<blr.aspirant wrote:

>

> FYI

>

> regrds

>

> _____________________

>

> Gullibility unlimited

>

>

>

> Are we a nation of gullible people? The rhetorical question needs

no

> answer. The month of August, 2008 was a period when gullibility ran

riot.

> Thanks to a solar, lunar eclipse and the magical date of 08/08/08!

Well

> first things first.

>

> The month, opened with a solar eclipse on the very first day.

This was

> partial over India, but seen in totality in many parts of the

world. The

> minor nature of the eclipse did not prevent the doomsayers from

having a

> field day. The degree of the eclipse was not important they said,

but the

> very occurrence of the event would cause problems. The worst was

the lunar

> eclipse was that to follow within a fortnight. In the middle of

these events

> would come the date 08/08/08. These events are the astrologer's

dream come

> true! They could predict calamities for the whole world and worst

for those

> whose as(s)trological signs would fall during that period. They

> predicted *rashi

> dosha*(fault with the zodiac sign), *nakshatra dosha* (fault with

the birth

> star) for a good percentage of the population and warned them of the

> catastrophes that would befall them. However all was not lost there

was

> redemption. That was of course, a pooja for the relevant gods and

offerings

> to them. That could prevent the ill effects of the eclipses and

also result

> in prosperity by turning the tables on those who cause the very evil

> effects. The latter part was very true but the beneficiaries of the

> prosperity were not those whose as(s)trolgical signs were at fault.

As you

> would have already guessed the priestly class, were the ones most

benefited.

> It was not that this class was speaking through their hat, sorry

through

> their top knot. It was all based on the latest scientific findings.

The

> claimed that scientist not our *desi* variety, but from the west had

> discovered that some rays are emitted during eclipses which have

very evil

> effects on all living things. So, the wisdom of the ancients had

been proved

> by unknown " scientists " who were unheard of in any scientific

circles or

> their findings published in any responsible journals. Of course all

that was

> due to a conspiracy of western science which wants to deny the due

place to

> the wisdom of our ancients. The due wisdom of our ancients had

accorded the

> center of the universe status to the earth and their infinite

wisdom had

> grouped Rahu, Ketu (the eclipses), the sun (a star) and the moon (a

> satellite) all as planets and listed them as *nava grahas* - the

nine

> planets.

>

> The streets were deserted as all people preferred to stay

indoors, all

> activities came to a stand still and we are told that many people

stopped

> breathing the eclipse polluted air to prevent the contamination

entering

> their bodies (of course the last part is only applicable to those

who

> breathed their last during the eclipse). No food and water were

consumed

> during that period, except by a few fool hardy souls like us

including most

> of the members of the Mangalore Today team who ate heartily

suspending their

> diets, exposing the food and drink (only fruit juice) to the deadly

> poisonous rays emitted by the sun. In addition all these activities

were

> carried out standing in open air and directly exposing ourselves

(only those

> parts not covered by clothes) to the deadly radiations emitted by

the

> eclipsed sun. Despite of all these no ill effects were reported by

any

> except for the editor of Mangalore Today and yours truly

complaining about a

> burning sensation on the tops of their heads. But, as Mahesh Nayak

remarked

> that was not due to the solar eclipse radiations but two other well

known

> facts- the lack of hair on the outside and grey matter on the

inside! The

> first is of course visible to all, but the second was a secret

which we

> tried to hide from the public for long.

>

> Any way, no ill effects have been reported by those who

have

> partaken food and drink exposed to the deadly solar rays which

emanate

> during eclipses only. In fact yours truly has been consuming solar

exposed

> food after the total solar eclipse which he had observed in 1980.

Of course

> the only catastrophe which had happened to him was that he got

married that

> year and according to his better half the disaster had happened to

her. The

> lighter aspects part, it is feared that pregnant women will either

abort or

> deliver babies with congenital abnormalities if they go out during

the

> eclipse. All food and water get contaminated and have to be thrown

out.

> However, the same is not applicable to water in rivers, tanks or

other

> reservoirs. This is probably due to a critical mass of water being

needed to

> avoid the effects of the radiations! Most threw out cooked food and

started

> cooking only after the eclipse has passed. Here too the problem is

only for

> cooked food. The uncooked is not affected. Again, for cooked food

there is a

> way of decontamination too. If one puts a bit of a special grass

called *

> garike* the contamination can be neutralized. That is what many

claimed to

> do.

>

> Places of worship, sorry only temples of the Hindus did

roaring

> business. Despite their adherence to all other sorts of

superstitions,

> eclipses do not affect Christians and Muslims and hence there were

no

> special prayers at their places of worship! There were *pujas,

yagas, yagnas

> * going on every where each claiming that theirs was the one which

would

> shield the country from the ill effects of the eclipse. Those whose

birth

> stars were during the period of the eclipse had to perform special

rituals

> to get rid of the evil influences and of course like all other

things in

> this world, nothing comes free. Tne income was for those whose

influences

> would cause these to vanish. After the eclipse had passed people

took a

> ritual bath to get rid of the pollution. But, what about the blood

> circulating, in the cardio vascular system? Would that not be

contaminated

> too? When the question was asked the experts on eclipse related

problems get

> angry and reply that the washing of the body will get rid of all the

> contamination related to the event! Why not apply that to the

kitchen and

> wash that instead of throwing away cooked food. Then follows the

excuse that

> we follow what our ancestors did.

>

> The same was applied to 08/08/08 I could see an eminent

> astrologer expounding at length on a TV channel about the years

when all the

> 8s came and the world shaking events that happened during them. He

however,

> conveniently said nothing on those years when these had not come

and worst

> had happened. The Chinese on the other hand had no problems with

these

> numbers. They considered them as lucky and an event like the opening

> ceremony of Olympics started at 8.08 Pm on the 8th August, 2008!

So, we

> cannot claim a monopoly to gullibility. In fact it was reported

that the

> maximum number of marriages took place on that day in China. So,

what is

> lucky for one group of superstitious people can be unlucky for

another group

> equally or probably more gullible.

>

> Now is the double jeopardy. The Lunar eclipse

scheduled for the

> 16th August. It is like rubbing salt on the wounds. A solar eclipse

is bad

> enough, but a lunar one following soon after would result in

mayhem. It

> could be the last word on disasters. That is what we have been

threatened

> with by the forecasters of doom. In the coming year there are going

to be

> floods, earthquakes, wars, plagues and pestilences unlimited. The

world may

> come to an end. Well if it does not. Then it will be due to the

religious

> ceremonies performed which have caused the ill effects to be

neutralized.

> That is astrology for you. Heads I win, tails you lose. Though it

is claimed

> that what is put down in the horoscope cannot be changed even by

gods, there

> are rituals which are more powerful that them. Following these

strictly

> would ensure that these are totally neutralized or mitigated. For

example if

> the evil influences wanted to take some ones life, the performance

of

> appropriate rituals could result in them causing a minor accident

to the

> threatened individual.

>

> If this be not gullibility what can it be? That reminds of

an

> anecdote of the eminent philosopher Bertrand Russel. That was about

a

> drunken man who was caught by a policeman shouting at the top of

his voice

> late night in Hyde park in London. When queried as to what he was

doing the

> man remarked that he was shouting a magical incantation to drive

away the

> wild elephants. When the policeman told him that he must be crazy

to do that

> as the nearest wild elephant was thousands of miles away in Africa,

he

> replied that that showed the efficacy of his ritual! So, are the

claims of

> our as(s)trologers.

>

> Finally, one of guests of the solar eclipse party queried, whether

there

> would a similar celebration for the lunar eclipse. The reaction was

from

> another guest, that he would like to watch two eclipsed moons lying

on his

> back after having fulfilled his spiritual longings. Since most of

the guests

> present were very spiritual people, yours truly who has limited

financial

> resources had to request them to look for some other host!

>

>

>

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> here is the latest. happy independence day. happy lunar eclipse.the

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> narendra nayak

>

> On Tue, Aug 12, 2008 at 9:30 PM, jyotirved <jyotirved wrote:

>

> > Dear friends,

> >

> > Namaskar!

> >

> >

> >

> > As is common knowledge by now, there is going to be a lunar

eclipse on

> > August 16 after the Solar eclipse of August 1. Naturally, TV

channels are

> > abuzz with the news that as one eclipse follows another, it will

be

> > catastrophic not only for the nation as a whole but everybody

individually

> > as well!

> >

> >

> >

> > A saying in Hindi is repeated very often these days by these

jyotishis and

> > that saying is:

> >

> > " ek paakh main do grahna, mare raja ya mare sena " i.e. " if there

are two

> > eclipses in one fortnight, either the king dies or his soldiers

die " . Some

> > even twist it as " Ek paksha main do grahna, na rahe raja na sena "

i.e " if

> > there are two eclipses in one fortnight, both the king as well

his army will

> > be wiped out! "

> >

> >

> >

> > There are also references to " ghasrapksha " in the Mahabharata.

It talks of

> > a paksha of thirteen days when one eclipse had followed another.

It is

> > presumed that because of those two eclipses in one paksha

(fortnight), the

> > Mbh war took place and/or the " Yadu-kula " became defunct!

> >

> >

> >

> > It all shows how ignorant we are actually about basic

> > astronomical/geographical facts!

> >

> >

> >

> > The fact of the matter is that every year, without fail, there

will be at

> > least two solar eclipses! It just cannot be helped! But there

can never be

> > more than five solar eclipses in a year!

> >

> >

> >

> > There can be a maximum of three lunar eclipses in a year! WHAT

IS TO BE

> > NOTED IS THAT WHENEVER THERE IS A LUNAR ECLIPSE IT IS ALWAYS

EITHER PRECEDED

> > OR FOLLOWED BY A SOLAR ECLIPSE! A lunar eclipse can never take

place

> > without a solar eclipse either preceding or following it.

Sometimes, it is

> > three eclipses in succession: solar eclipse---lunar eclipse---

solar eclipse!

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > So instead of explaining the fact that there is nothing

extraordinary about

> > a solar eclipse following a lunar one, all that is being dinned

into our

> > ears is that there is going to be a catastrophe! But these

jyotishis are

> > never specific as to what type of catastrophe it will be where it

will be

> > and when it will be!

> >

> >

> >

> > By analyzing the statements of jyotishis, we arrive at the

conclusion that

> > since there will always be two eclipses whenever there is a lunar

eclipse,

> > which will be almost every year, thus there is going to be a

catastrophe for

> > the nations as a whole and also individuals individually every

year in

> > future! It is also really amazing that in spite of such

dire " results " of

> > eclipses the mankind is still surviving, since there have been

literally

> > thousands of lunar eclipses in the past which means there were

thousands of

> > pairs of lunar and solar eclipses till date!

> >

> >

> >

> > Obviously, the only catastrophe the nations have is the

> > catastrophe-mongering jyotishis!

> >

> >

> >

> > Regarding thirteen day paksha of the MBh, in ancient India, only

mean

> > tithis were calculated. And it appears that MBh tithis were

calculated as

> > per the principles enumerated in the Vedanga Jyotisha. So if it

was a

> > paksha of thirteen days during the MBh war, it is not clear as

to which

> > tithis were kshyaya, because only when two tithes are kshyaya,

it can be

> > thirteen days instead of fifteen days in a paksha .

> >

> >

> >

> > However, I checked the details of eclipses on NASA website for

3200 BCE to

> > 1500 BCE. There have been at least a hundred eclipses during

that period

> > that have followed one another within thirteen days! Does it

mean that

> > there have been at least a hundred Mbh wars during that period,

if another

> > eclipse during a span of thirteen days denotes nothing but

bloodshed!

> >

> >

> >

> > All this noise about one calamity following another because of

the two

> > eclipses being in succession, is as such, as per

the " commandments " of

> > Varahamihira, whose main aim was to provide " job security " to the

people of

> > his clan, since he had advised that " every king must have a

> > samvatsarika " ---even if he had no commander in chief or Prime

Minister!

> >

> >

> >

> > And he has succeeded well in his efforts! Whether or not anybody

suffers

> > from some catastrophe because of eclipses, jyotishis are making

us suffer

> > certainly but they are themselves enjoying a bonanza! They are

busy with

> > performing pujas and remedial measures for their clients ny

having created

> > fear psychosis and thus fattening their bank balances by fleecing

the

> > gullible! There is a saying in Persian, " Murda jannat ravad ya

ba dozakh,

> > mula ra naan-o-paneer " —i.e. " whether the departed soul goes to

hell or

> > heaven, it is immaterial for the priest/mullah performing the

ceremonies for

> > the dead! All he is bothered about is his bread and butter " .

> >

> >

> >

> > Let us, therefore, enjoy the eclipses with certain precautions---

especially

> > the solar ones and be one with Nature! That is the most

befitting reply to

> > these catastrophe-mongers.

> >

> > With regards,

> >

> > Avtar Krishen Kaul

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

>