[Vedic Astrology-Hyderabad] Fwd: vedic astrology

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Vedic Astrology-Hyderabad , Chandrashekhar

<chandrashekhar46 wrote:

 

Dear Avtar Kishen saheb,

 

You have written on so many lists and taken so many different

positions

that it is not possible to look into all those mails and give them

one

by one. I have not unfortunately saved those mails of yours.

 

Your view of what is Vedic is your personal opinion not shared by the

majority.

 

You appear to be from the group which wants something to be written

on

stone slabs etc.to find antiquity of sciences om a civilization that

carried sacred knowledge by memorizing it and carrying it through

generations. With your logic, Vedas could also be said to be

nonexistent

since they are not recorded on clay tablets. If this is your logic,

there is no point in carrying this discussions any further.

 

Your rantings on Ramsetu and other matters, not connected with

Jyotish,

makes it apparent that you are merely a baiter of Hindu sciences and

keep on changing your arguments whenever you are confronted with

logic.

Your comments on Jagadguru Shankaracharyas also indicate that you

have

no respect for any of the Hindu sciences and only are posing as a

great

astronomer to befool people. Please desist from doing this.

 

I do not think any Hindu will accept you as the great authority on

Vedas

or Vedic sciences, though you might want people to believe you are

one.

I am sure people who have read your mails so far will choose to

ignore

your rantings which also have a distinct anti religion and political

slant.

 

 

Chandrashekhar.

 

Avtar Krishen Kaul wrote:

>

> Shri Chandrashekharji,

> Namaskar!

> <I do not know whether you are aware of the fact that there are

lunar

> months too that are considered by the astronomers and there are as

> much as 9 different years that are accepted and five of them are

used

> in regular day to day functions of Hindus. So your contention that

> only Madhu etc. months are used in astronomy is incorrect,

factually.>

>

> Pl. quote my actual statement and the context where I have said that

> only (solar) Madhu etc. months are used in astronomy.

>

> <Your argument that only because rashis or grahas are not mentioned

> in Vedas lacks logic.>

>

> Rashis and Grahas are the Alpha and Omega of predictive gimmicks

> which are knonw as astrology---Vedic or Hindu or Tropical etc.

> notwithstanding. If we do not find any mention of Mesha etc. Rashis

> prior to the advent of the Surya Sidhanta of Maya the mleccha in any

> of our astronomical works like the Pitamaha Sidhanta, Vasishtha

> Sidhanta etc. besides the Vedanga Jyotisha etc., obviously we cannot

> call any Rashi-based predictive gimicks as Vedic astrology!

>

> On the other hand, as is evident from cuneiform/clay tablets of

> Babylonia, Aries etc. constellations/signs have been used in

> Babylonian astrology from around at least 5000 BCE. It is therefore

> clear that such predictive gimmicks have emanated from there!

>

> < However since you are so well versed in Vedas I give you the verse

> of Rigveda that does talk about Brihaspati that you say has to be

> mentioned in the Vedas for the Jyotish to be considered Vedic.

> yastastambha sahasra- vi jmo anta-nbr,haspatistris,hadhastho

raven,a.

> tam pratna-sa r,s,hayo di-dhya-na-h^ puro vipra- dadhire

> mandrajihvam .

> Meaning: He who established in his might the extremities of the

> earth, Brihaspati, in the triple world of our fulfilment, by his

cry,

> on him the pristine sages meditated and illumined, set him in their

> front with his tongue of ecstasy.>

>

> There are several mantras in the Vedas referring to the Sun, Moon,

> Brihaspati, " Manthi " etc. the most interesting one

being " Brihaspatih

> Tishyam Ajayatai " -- i.e. Brhaspati was born in Tishya! Besides,

> Brihaspati has been referred to in the Shanti-patha

> " svasti na indro vridhha shrvah svasti nah poosha vishva-vedhah

> svastinastarkshyo arishta nemih, svasti no brihaspatir dadhatu "

>

> As such, I fail to understand why you are talking of Brhaspati as a

> planet here! In the Gita also, Bhagwan Krishna has said (in tenth

> adhyaya) " I am Brihaspati among all the purohitas....I am

Shukracharya

> among all the poets " .

>

> In any case, wherever I have talked about the non-existence of

> planets in the Vedas, I have always said something like " We do not

> find any mention of the most dreaded planets like Mangal, Shani etc

> in the Vedas even by mistake! They are also conspicuous by their

> absence from all the indigenous astronomical literature " . As such,

> unless you prove the existence of Mangal, Shani etc. in the Vedas or

> the indigenous astronomical works, you are just beating about the

> bush and misquoting me!

>

> <I hope you will not again say that there is no mention of grahas in

> Vedas and mislead others.>

>

> The ball is in your court again to prove the existence of Mangal,

> Shani, Budha and Kethu in the Vedas or even any pre-Surya-sidhanta

> astronomical work!

>

> < I have seen your many posts in which you used to claim to be

> President/ Chairman of national calendar reform committee though the

> committee is long ago disbanded and is working under a different

name

> and style.>

> This has already been replied in a different post.

>

> <I do not like to become personal but your witch hunting on the

> astrological sites is going on for many days and you use names of

> different scholars selectively to make it appear to be a very sound

> view.>

> Now that even Shri K N Rao has admitted that " Vedic astrology " is

not

> Vedic at all, naturally, if someone still calls himself/herself as

> a " Vedic astrologer " it must be the duty of every Hindu to expose

> such fakes, especially when they claim to be re-

> incarnations " vamadevas " and " Parasharas " etc.

>

> <You also try to mislead others that the days on which they observe

> rituals are wrong and ask them to observe the rituals on different

> days.>

> I am posting " BVB6.doc " spearately. Pl. give your views about the

> same!

> I sahll post later " PAC3.doc " etc. All the members can see for

> themselve from those docuemnts as to how we are being misled

> by " almighty " Lahiriwalas about or fasts and fairs and muhurtas!

>

> <Your statement that no Purana etc. having advised people to go to

> soothsayers is one of the best examples of how you tend to mislead

> others.>

> If the puranas advise us to " go to gurus " , to " self-realized souls "

> etc. etc. and even to temples and other holy places to redeem our

> sins, why would they hesitate in advising us to go to

some " jyotishi "

> to see as to what is going to befall us, if the puranas had really

> believed in such fads?

>

> <I know you will like to claim to be an authority on Vedas and begin

> an argument on this. However for me there is no greater authority on

> interpretation of Vedas and other scriptures of Hindus than the

> Shankaracharys of Shankar muths and their acceptance of Jyotish as a

> Vedic science is enough for me.>

>

> The general public is a bit confused by the different stands of

yogis

> and tantriks and babs and jagdurus! Jagadguru Shankaracharya of

> Dwarka had more than a hundred years back passed a " bull " that

> nirayana festivals and muhurtas are not as per our dharmashastras

and

> as such, the Hindus must observe all such activities only as per the

> Sayana Rashichakra! However, the present Jagadguru of Kanchi-kmakoti

> wants us to do exactly contrary to the same---to follow " almighty "

> Lahiri Rashichakra for festivals and muhurtas, when the so called

> nirayana rashichakra---whether Lahiri or Raman or Fagan etc.--does

> not exist all astronomically since they are all " creations " of their

> different " parents---(single parents instead of coupes, of course) " !

> Then again, I cannot undertand the stand of jagadgurus etc. vis-a-

vis

> the date of birth of Bhagwan Rama and Rama Setu! On the one hand,

> they want us to believe that Shri Rama Setu was made by the Vanara-

> sena of Shri Rama hundreds of thousands years back, but on the other

> hand they have put of a " stamp of approval " on the date of birth of

> Bhagwan Ram as January 14, 5114 BC, which emanated from an Income-

Tax

> Commissioner!

> If the same Valmiki Ramayana says that Bhagwan Ram ruled for 11000

> years, how could He have incarnated only about 7000 years back? Such

> contradictory stands of jagadurus and babas and tantriks and yogis

> leaves a layman more confused than enlightened! In any case, in a

> democracy like India, it is your " preropgative " to believe in any

baba

> or tantrik or jagadguru etc. you want to! and celebrate any festival

> on any date that suits your fancy!

> Dhanyavad.

> AKK

>

>

> Vedic Astrology-Hyderabad

> <Vedic Astrology-Hyderabad%40>, Chandrashekhar

> <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Avtar Krishen Saheb,

> >

> > I do not know whether you are aware of the fact that there are

> lunar

> > months too that are considered by the astronomers and there are as

> much

> > as 9 different years that are accepted and five of them are used

in

> > regular day to day functions of Hindus. So your contention that

> only

> > Madhu etc. months are used in astronomy is incorrect, factually.

> >

> > Your argument that only because rasis or grahas are not mentioned

> in

> > Vedas lacks logic. If Vyakarana rules are not given in Vedas do

you

> mean

> > it is not Vedanga? Your arguments are frivolous to say the least.

> > However since you are so well versed in Vedas I give you the verse

> of

> > Rigveda that does talk about Brihaspati that you say has to be

> mentioned

> > in the Vedas for the Jyotish to be considered Vedic.

> >

> > yastastambha sahasra- vi jmo anta-nbr,haspatistris,hadhastho

> raven,a.

> >

> > tam pratna-sa r,s,hayo di-dhya-na-h^ puro vipra- dadhire

> mandrajihvam .

> >

> > Meaning: He who established in his might the extremities of the

> earth,

> > Brihaspati, in the triple world of our fulfilment, by his cry, on

> him

> > the pristine sages meditated and illumined, set him in their front

> with

> > his tongue of ecstasy.

> >

> > I hope you will not again say that there is no mention of grahas

in

> > Vedas and mislead others.

> >

> > I have seen your many posts in which you used to claim to be

> President/

> > Chairman of national calendar reform committee though the

committee

> is

> > long ago disbanded and is working under a different name and

style.

> I

> > have also seen that you were never even a member of the said

> committee.

> > So It is difficult to agree to something that happens to be said

by

> you.

> > I do not like to become personal but your witch hunting on the

> > astrological sites is going on for many days and you use names of

> > different scholars selectively to make it appear to be a very

sound

> > view. You also try to mislead others that the days on which they

> observe

> > rituals are wrong and ask them to observe the rituals on different

> days.

> >

> > Your statement that no Purana etc. having advised people to go to

> > soothsayers is one of the best examples of how you tend to mislead

> > others. Why would Purana tell anyone to go to a soothsayer? They

> give

> > the principles of astrology and also tell that it is for use of

> human

> > being to reduce their sufferings. So they are certainly the

> repository

> > of astrology knowledge for students of the shastra itself. Why

> advise

> > one who has learnt the shastra to go to somebody else? Do not

> mislead

> > others through insinuations and half truths presented out of

> context.

> >

> > I know you will like to claim to be an authority on Vedas and

begin

> an

> > argument on this. However for me there is no greater authority on

> > interpretation of Vedas and other scriptures of Hindus than the

> > Shankaracharys of Shankar muths and their acceptance of Jyotish as

> a

> > Vedic science is enough for me.

> >

> > Chandrashekhar.

> >

> >

> >

> > Avtar Krishen Kaul wrote:

> > >

> > > Shri Chandrashekharji,

> > > Namaskar!

> > > <Jyotish is described as eyes of Vedas so I would not agree with

> KNR

> > > that it has no connection with Vedas>

> > >

> > > You are right! Jyotish has been described as eye of the Vedas

but

> > > jyotish in this context does not mean predictive gimmicks by any

> > > stretch of imagination! Jhyotish means astronomy as per the

> Vedanga

> > > Jyotisha which gives just the methodology of calculating the

mean

> > > tithi, nakshatra and the months Madhu, Madhava etc. It does not

> > > refer to any Mesha, Vrisha etc. rashis or Budha, Mangal, Shani

> etc.

> > > planets even by mistake!

> > >

> > > As explained by me in a different post, all the twelve Rashis

like

> > > Mesha, Vrisha etc. are conspicuous by their absence from the

> Vedas,

> > > Upanishadas, Brahmanas etc. etc. so much so that all the

> indigenous

> > > astronomical works like Rik Jyotisham, Yajur Jyotisham and even

> > > Atharva Jyotisham does nto talk about Mesha etc. Rashis! Though

we

> > > find references to planets in the Atharva Jyotisham of about 400

> BCE,

> > > even that work is silent about Mesha etc. Rashis! As such, if

KNR

> > > has said taht predictive gimmicks cannot be called Vedic

> astrology,

> > > he has rightly said so!

> > >

> > > Personally, I feel to call any predictive gimmicks even Pauranic

> is

> > > an insult to the Puranas, since no purana or itihasa or smriti

> etc.,

> > > in short no dharmashastra, has advised us to consult any

> soothsayer

> > > about anything whatsoever! It is thus a fraud being played on us

> > > ever since the advent of Greeks into India! And because of this

> > > fraud, the Hindus are celebrating all theirs fasts, festivals

and

> > > muhurtas on wrong days!

> > > As such, Vedic astrology is really the greatest fraud not only

on

> the

> > > Vedas but a blot on the entire Hndu culture since it goes

against

> teh

> > > very grain of our scriptures!

> > > With regards,

> > > A K Kaul

> > > Vedic Astrology-Hyderabad

> <Vedic Astrology-Hyderabad%40>

> > > <Vedic Astrology-Hyderabad%40>,

> Chandrashekhar

> > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear K P Naidu,

> > > >

> > > > Jyotish is described as eyes of Vedas so I would not agree

with

> KNR

> > > that

> > > > it has no connection with Vedas, though I have deep respect

for

> > > KNR's

> > > > astrological knowledge. H.H. Jayendra Saraswati,

Shankaracharya

> of

> > > > Kanchi Kamkoti Muth, says that it is called the eyes of Vedas

> as it

> > > > looks at what can not be seen by the eyes and without it the

> > > rituals of

> > > > Vedas can not be performed. So religious authorities do accept

> > > > connection of Jyotish with Vedas. That again is the reason it

is

> > > called

> > > > Vedanga ( part of Vedas). So KNR's argument might not be

> tenable.

> > > >

> > > > The only inconsistency with using the word Vedic is that

> literally

> > > it

> > > > means that which is in or on a gallery. The correct term

should

> be

> > > > " Vaidic " . However, as KNR says, now that Vedic astrology has

> come

> > > to be

> > > > equated with Jyotish, that word has acquired a special meaning

> in

> > > > English and there is no harm in using it to denote Jyotish.

> > > >

> > > > Take care,

> > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > >

> > > > jyotishi2001 wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > >

> <%40>

> > > <%40>

> > > > > <%40>, " K. P.

> Naidu "

> > > > > <konathalan@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Learned Members,

> > > > >

> > > > > Reg the term Vedic Astrology, I give below the opinion of

shri

> > > K.N.

> > > > > Rao, one of the great astrologers in India, r your kind

> perusal.

> > > > >

> > > > > Question: Just for the record I want to get a small but

> perhaps

> > > > > important clarification. The term Vedic Astrology is often

> used to

> > > > > refer to Jyotish. This term is more in usage now than ever

> before

> > > as

> > > > > far as I can recall. Are we correct in calling Indian

> Astrology as

> > > > > Vedic Astrology " in other words is Jyotish quoted in the

> Vedas

> > > > > directly?

> > > > >

> > > > > KNR: That is a good question. Technically, Jyotish should

not

> be

> > > > > called Vedic Astrology. For Yagnas[19] and Karmakanda[20]

the

> > > Vedas

> > > > > are the authentic source. For the householders it is the

> Smritis

> > > [21].

> > > > > But both the Vedas and Smritis are in the Puranas[22]. Just

> as the

> > > > > entire Creation has emerged from Him, so too the entire

> > > literature of

> > > > > the world is an offshoot of the Puranas. There is no iota of

> doubt

> > > > > about it. In the Vedas, there is no methodology provided to

> > > determine

> > > > > Tithi[23], Vaar[24], Nakshatra[25], or planetary Sanchara

> > > (transits).

> > > > > Even the methodology for determining timing of Parvas

> > > (festivals), or

> > > > > Eclipses is not mentioned in the Vedas. What is not in the

> Vedas

> > > is

> > > > > in the Smritis. And whatever is not found in these two is to

> be

> > > known

> > > > > from the Puranas.

> > > > >

> > > > > Through someone's fertile imagination it was decided to call

> Hindu

> > > > > astrology as Vedic astrology. I too fell into this trap and

I

> > > never

> > > > > verified or clarified this with a competent Vedic scholar.

But

> > > now I

> > > > > stand corrected. It is either Indian astrology or Hindu

> astrology.

> > > > > Vedic astrology does not exist at all. Having said that, the

> term

> > > > > âEURoeVedicâEUR? is a great marketing tool especially in the

> new

> > > age

> > > > > movement. So whether it is true or not, I suspect Vedic

> astrology

> > > > > will continue to be the preferred name for Indian Astrology

> > > > > especially in the west. (Note - I asked K.N. Rao if I should

> stop

> > > > > using the term " Vedic astrology. " He said, " It is all right

in

> > > USA.

> > > > > Do as you have been doing. " - - Vaughn Paul Manley 7/5/05)

> > > > >

> > > > > Members' opinion / comments are invited pl.

> > > > >

> > > > > Naidu KP

> > > > >

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> > >

> >

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