Guest guest Posted August 7, 2008 Report Share Posted August 7, 2008 Hello I felt that your interest matches with that of Sri.Sanatkumar jain. Hence I am forwarding this to you. You may join this group for further exploration. tkp---------- Forwarded message ----------sanat2221 <sanatkumar_jain Aug 6, 2008 11:18 PM Re: Astrology a science or myth Resp. Razdan Ji,Namaskar,Thanks for your msg. after a long time.I am taking some point raised by you.>>>>>>>>. Your sole aim seems to denigrade this knowledge as forcefully and unabashedly as you can.<<<<From which msg you find that I am denigrading astrology. If I am informing or asking as to how sign, signlord etc. were formulated (refer my first msg / blog " Astrology a science or myth')then it is not denigrading, or if I am saying that sign etc. are not in Ved then it is not denigrading (you can also refer in length reply of Sh Kaul ji), if I am asking as to why Ketu is 5 deg. away at the time of total eclipse, when astrologers are claiming that Rahu ketu are intersection point of orbits and so on ……… than how you can say I am denigrading astrology. If astrologers have no answer then it is their fault (though I have hinted below every question and detail is available in the book), who are exploiting public by claiming it science and have no logical answer. If you admit and promote the view that astrology (predictive) is not science then I will not ask any question. But you, like all astrologers have faith on astrology then please do not publicize it as a science. You can claim that it is our heritage, it is taken from ancestral, it is like God (no pujari of any temple of any religion is claiming that existence of God is Science, because business of pujaries are roaring but on the other hand business of astrologers are always in doldrums hence at one point of time they take shelter in faith and at another point of time they claim it as science yet another time they claim it as vedang etc….). But if astrologers will claim that it is science then I have right to question its validity as science that too after putting +35 years in astrology and writing two original books.You your-self admitting that >>>>>>>>. That it is not developed to the extent of a fool proof accuracy as yet, is something every astrologist is striving to find out. if we ignore this fact and try to find small and extraneous points like whether it is a science or not, or argue on its being Vedic or not, or narrate individual experiences etc., these are all pointless discussions and waste of time.<<<<<<<<so is it not a matter of concern that even after practicing astrology for +2000 years with lot of literature (old and new) supported by more then lakh astrologer in India, none of them is able to find a single I repeat single foolproof principle, and every astrologer is blindly supporting it or searching some way to get any prediction (north, KP, western, palmistry, nadi, …………… that to with applicability of various principles, yog, dasha and what not) and on every failure thinks or support that astrology is right astrologer may be wrong. I say why astrologer may be wrong if principle (or combination of principles) is right then result must be right. If result is wrong then why not we may search as to how basic astrological principles (like sign, signlord etc. ) were formulated. Is their any logic? But every one is consoling that a good astrologer can predict correctly and that good astrologer is no where in the world but he is living in his mind. You are discouraging personal experience. Yes you are right, but tell me where I say that my conclusion against astrology is based on my personal experience. Contrary to this you are supporting your personal experience like >>>>>>> I spend my time fruitfully on two other VA sites that discuss findings from different charts which is useful both to the person who seeks help and also to astrologists who aspire to increase their knowledge. <<<<<<Because an enquirer in a forum (there are so many forums ) get advice but how you can say that prediction is right. He is not going to furn up to say that prediction is wrong. So actually such interaction is not useful because every one is feeding prediction on the shoulder of faith lubricated with science and Ved word. If astrologer just predict with the saying that astrology is not in our ved and it is not scientific then astrologer will realize the reality. Thus actually there is no sense if we throw stones here and there. Let us not concerned with astrologers as to what they are doing. But if you really want to use your time and learn some correct concept then please read my blog " astrology a science or myth " and find out, ask in other forums, think, read about the answer as to how principles were formulated. Only then you can realize the hollow foundation of astrology. I am not asking to read my book but you find out the answer and then we will discuss. I think there is no harm. Thus we will be more useful to astrology to modify it correctly.If you intimate about the forums, astrologers, readers etc. then I will request them to join our forum for your support. Though out of 100 members I think 97 members are in your favour. But still you are not able to support your stand.Enjoy interaction, don't take it as a personal, it is only academic discussion and exchange of views. Please do not take shelter in silence zone. It is not going to serve any purpose. You (and other members also) must try your best to prove that astrology is vedic and scientific and for that you have to prove the scientific or vedic basis of basic principles of astrology.Thanks Yours truly,SanatGwalior0751-2626868PS: I find that we are now a group of 100 members in a very short time. I welcome all new members in the forum and invite them to take part in interaction instead of silently reading the msg. I want that our forum may be like a scattered family from Australia to USA, hence if any member is going to visit Gwalior then he can contact me for any help. So he can note down my ph. for future reference. Likewise other members may fill in their information for lending any help (if they want to do so) to other member of the forum.I am still waiting the reply as to why Ketu is being shown 5 deg. away in the horoscope at the time of total eclipse of 1-8-8. Though I have explained a little in my earlier msg.sanat , " pnrazdan " <pnrazdan wrote: >> Dear Sanat,> While I read the mails on this forum occasionally, I donot find it > interesting enough to participate. This is for the simple reason that > you and Mr Kaul seem to be obsessed with a hatred for Vedic Astrology > and therefore not prepared to accept any point in its favour. Your > sole aim seems to denigrade this knowledge as forcefully and > unabashedly as you can. Ir is far from an open discussion that I > initially thought it would be. > > However, I donot blame you or Mr Kaul since these are ones > perceptions and quite often one doesn't like to change these. > I hold on to Vedic Astrology because when I studied it as a > knowledge, I did find a pattern in its readings of human behaviour > and predictive astrology and once it does so, it comes into the realm > of analytics, predictive modelling, inductive knowledge and > mathematical relationships. That it is not developed to the extent of > a fool proof accuracy as yet, is something every astrologist is > striving to find out. Now if we ignore this fact and try to find > small and extraneous points like whether it is a science or not, or > argue on its being Vedic or not, or narrate individual experiences > etc., these are all pointless discussions and waste of time.Let us > call it by any name and accept it as a precious heritage. There is > both faith and knowledge quest involved in it.> > As I said before, there is no point in looking for a " scientific " > proof of VA, since it came much earlier to the so called science that > we know of. And then we donot try to prove certain established facts > like the existence of God or the sayings in Vedas etc. This is all > knowledge which came to us from our learned ancestors and which > cannot be measured by the modern day scientific thought. On the > contrary science will one day confirm the teaachings in these > scriptures when it develops holistically.. > > I therefore would like you to hold on to your views while I do to > mine. I spend my time fruitfully on two other VA sites that discuss > findings from different charts which is useful both to the person who > seeks help and also to astrologists who aspire to increase their > knowledge. There is nothing so comforting than a message from one who > confirms the findings and is ever grateful for the help that is given > without any money or ego. And that is the inspiration that keeps this > knowledge eternal.> Regards,> P.N.Razdan> > > , " sanat2221 " > <sanatkumar_jain@> wrote:> >> > Resp Kaul ji,> > Namaskar,> > Thanks for your encouraging msg. on my reply to Mr. Ron. Let us > see, > > what he and other members of the forum specially Sh. Razdan Ji, > > Ghopal Ji, vinvj and Jagannathan Ji want to say, who are silent > > since long.> > > > You may have observed that I am time and again reminding members of > > our forum to come forward for sharing their views, but > unfortunately > > they like to live in tunnel of faith without any fresh air of > logical > > approach. As I have already spent +35 years on astrology hence I > want > > to share my views. I am open to all and ready to discuss any point > to > > any length, to find some truth. Since last 5 years (after > publication > > of my hindi book), I have discussed with many astrologers but none > of > > them is able to answer basic and logical questions and privately > > admit that they also experienced many failures but due to business > > considerations and respect which they get from their clients, they > > are not willing to oppose astrology though they are convinced with > > the content my book that foundation is based on primitive > knowledge. > > But what we can do except either to learn something from the > > interaction or inform about the hollow astrological principals. > > > > I find that you are member of many forums hence I will like to > > request you that if some astrologers are interested in interaction > > then please invite him in our forum for open and uncensored > > interaction on predictive astrology. I find that many forums are > only > > busy in promoting their business and do not want any sincere > analysis.> > > > Thanks > > > > Yours truly,> > Sanat> > > > PS : Now each and every astrological book, magazine and astrologers > > are explaining (or befooling) that Rahu and Ketu are intersection > > point of orbit of the Sun and Moon (though this was not the concept > > of our sages). Today on 1-8-8, there is total solar eclipse when > Sun > > and Moon may be at +105 degree but Ketu is at 115 degree. Now > > everybody knows that at the time of total solar eclipse Moon is > going > > to intersect the orbit of the Sun and during intersection Sun > happens > > to be on the point of intersection hence we can see total solar > > eclipse. Now my question to the members of the forum is that what > > Ketu (which is intersection point of orbits) is doing at 115 > degree, > > whereas it must be at 105 degree the location where Sun and Moon > are > > transiting. Thus can't member realize that position of these shadow > > planets in the horoscopes is wrong. (other such examples are also > > given in my blog `Astrology a science or myth') > > Hope to have some answer for further discussion. Members may > discuss > > personally to other astrologers or consult in other forums if they > do > > not have any answer. > > sanat > > > > > > > > > > , " Avtar Krishen Kaul " > > <jyotirved@> wrote:> > >> > > Dear Jain Sahib,> > > Excellent analysis!> > > Congratulations for dissecting such a terse subject > as " astrology " -- > > -> > > about which literally trillions of volumes have been written---in > > > such a simple yet pithy manner!> > > Regards,> > > AKK> > > , " sanat2221 " > > > <sanatkumar_jain@> wrote:> > > >> > > > > > > > Resp Ron,> > > > Thanks for your comments.> > > > At least thanks for admitting that Hindu (vedic) and western > and > > KP > > > > systems are not working correctly. Hence you have left them and > > > > adopted a new Khullar system.> > > > > > > > Khullar system is a mixture of Hindu and KP system; whereas KP > > > system > > > > is a mixture of Hindu and Western system. So indirectly Khullar > > > > system has adopted a way of old wine in new bottle. I have also > > > tried > > > > to fuse these both systems in many ways and result of fusion > may > > be > > > > seen in `Eskain horoscope' in file section. But again like head > > and > > > > tail of a coin, some prediction may right randomly but same > > > > combination is not working in another horoscope. It will take > > some > > > > more time to you to realize that this system is also not > working. > > > > Because basic building block of this system too, like all > others, > > > is > > > > based on sign, sign lord, cusp (which is a reverse copy of > > > > Vinshottary dasha " ), friendship, exalted etc. Until unless > these > > > > building blocks of predictive astrology may have some > scientific > > or > > > > logical theory behind them till then how you can say that some > > > thing > > > > can be predicted. Because only that event can be predicted > which > > is > > > > predestined and take your time to realize / think that even if > a > > > > single event of future of any one life is fixed then whole > > sequence > > > > of event of the life may automatically be fixed. This in turn > may > > > fix > > > > the sequence of event of other life. Thus whole set up will be > > > fixed. > > > > Then where is the use of knowing the future or where is the > scope > > > of > > > > amending any unpleasant event.> > > > > > > > You have mentioned an event of > > > > >>>>>>> one practitioner looked at his mother's chart, and saw > > that > > > > she> > > > was likely to die the following day even though she had no known> > > > problems. He packed his family into the car and went long > > > > distance across country to his mother's house. She appeared> > > > fine, but the following day she died as indicated.<<<<<<<<<<. > In > > > this > > > > connection I will like to say that every predictive system > either > > > it > > > > may be astrology or KP system, Western system, Magi system, Lal > > > > kitab, numerology, Terro card, palmistry, Nadi shastra, face > > > > reading, signature reading, Vaastu, and so on have so many > > stories > > > to > > > > tell but none of them is correct and all of them are > > > psychologically > > > > correct or randomly correct. Thus there is no logic in > believing > > > any > > > > random forecast to amend our plan, decision in any respect. > etc. > > If > > > > above story of death of mother is right in your opinion then > the > > > > combination in horoscope by which death may be known would have > > > been > > > > published in scientific journal and Khullar himself would have > > been > > > > appointed as chief boss of all Insurance companies to see as to > > > > whether life insurance of a person may be done or not. Thus you > > can > > > > see that only a single forecast based on combination of planets > > may > > > > lead to flow of money then what would happen if a system > > (khullar) > > > > would have been correct in many respect ie. It may tell about > > job, > > > > promotion, illness, health and so on. You may please intimate > the > > > > planetary cuspal combination of the horoscope by which death > was > > > > decoded for the benefit of the members of the forum, who may > take > > > > benefit of such a combination and get insured. Do not take it > > > > otherwise, I am seriously requesting you and if you don't have > > that > > > > combination then you may intimate some other combination, or > you > > > may > > > > check yourself the viability of the system and get rid off.> > > > > > > > Our basic question is still pending that so long any one is not > > > able > > > > to know that how basic building block of predictive astrology > > (sign > > > > lord etc. ) were formulated and whether procedure adopted has > > some > > > > scientific or logical approach till then we all are bound to > fall > > > in > > > > one or another trap. I am saying so that I find (not to say > after > > > how > > > > much labour) that all predictive principles were formulated on > > > > primitive myth, knowledge, tradition etc. and thus these > > principles > > > > have no logical or scientific support in view of modern > > knowledge. > > > If > > > > Hindu (so called vedic) astrology would have been correct then > > > what > > > > was the need to modify it as western and in turn as KP system > > and > > > in > > > > turn as Khullar system and what was the need to create so many > > > other > > > > systems like palmistry etc. It is not for improving an existing > > > > system, otherwise all previous systems would have been buried > and > > > > some new correct system would have been survived and in turn > > every > > > > one would have been realized as to how our ole astrologer were > > > wrong. > > > > But you can see that every system is going on, because every > > system > > > > has some business and followers. But you are right that after > > > > realizing some mistake you have jumped to some new system and > it > > is > > > > correct way of analyzing a system, because you may not be a > > > > practitioner astrologer. Otherwise you may have stick to any > one > > > > system and anyhow support that system like many astrologers. > > > > > > > > Thus you were initially right when you think :> > > > >>>>>>> Let me say that at the outset I was extremely doubtful > > > about > > > > the> > > > system. Here was an author who used a specific house system.> > > > specific ayanamsa, geocentric rather than geophysical positions,> > > > a specific dasa system, etc, all of which I had unsuccessfully > > > > tried to ascertain myself over the years. I wondered how any> > > > one person could get all of these exactly right to get correct> > > > answers enough to create a valid system. Weary after being led > > > > up the garden path so many times, I was doubtful about wasting> > > > time at my age to attempt to learn the system. However, the> > > > success of Khullar students in our Blind Chart tests made me > > > > eager see why they were successful.<<< > > > and now no need to go for blind chart, you may check and > announce > > > > when Osama will die or likewise some other definite prediction > > > about > > > > any one in the world and continue to serve many Govt.> > > > > > > > Hope to receive some tested principles of khullar for definite > > > > prediction, which may not have some psychological mixture for > the > > > > larger benefit of the members.> > > > > > > > Thanks,> > > > > > > > Yours truly,> > > > Sanat> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " rongaunt@ au " > > > > <rongaunt@> wrote:> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Hi Sanat,> > > > > > > > > > I respond to the extracted part of your message where you say:> > > > > > > > > > 'So instead of falling in an another trap by Khullar, you must> > > > > find out the procedure as to how all basic principles were > > > > > formulated and is their any scientific logic (in view of > modern> > > > > knowledge) or not.'> > > > > > > > > > Now this is a most scientific approach you have taken!! You > > have> > > > > obviously already taken the stance that Mr Khullar's work is> > > > > bogus or you would not say 'falling into another trap by> > > > > Khullar'. > > > > > > > > > > I have serious doubts that you have studied his work at all,> > > > > never mind being intimately aquatinted with it. So your> > > > > unfounded prejudice for a scientific observer is obvious for > all> > > > > to see, and is clearly hypocritical if you have not studied > the> > > > > subject. I think most would agree your approach here at > least > > is> > > > > MOST UNSCIENTIFIC.> > > > > > > > > > For your information the Khullar system is by far the most> > > > > scientific of all astrology I have come across. Mr Khullar > > > > > examined in detail both Western and Hindu astrology. He took> > > > > much from the traditions of the Hindus, and from Nadi > astrology.> > > > > He went right to the source of their ideas and worked out > > > > > exactly why they were quoting certain important slokas. He> > > > > then incorporated these ideas into a major advancement on the > KP> > > > > system using cuspal interlinks. > > > > > > > > > > I personally gave up believing authors have all (or even) > some > > of> > > > > the answers all of the time, so I thoroughly check everything> > > > > stated. If I find a system not working as stated even once > I> > > > > start having reservations. When I see it doesn't work quite > a > > > > > few times I discard it. I have not been able to do this with> > > > > the Khullar system because it does work.> > > > > > > > > > Let me say that at the outset I was extremely doubtful about > the> > > > > system. Here was an author who used a specific house system.> > > > > specific ayanamsa, geocentric rather than geophysical > positions,> > > > > a specific dasa system, etc, all of which I had > unsuccessfully> > > > > tried to ascertain myself over the years. I wondered how any> > > > > one person could get all of these exactly right to get correct> > > > > answers enough to create a valid system. Weary after being > led> > > > > up the garden path so many times, I was doubtful about wasting> > > > > time at my age to attempt to learn the system. However, the> > > > > success of Khullar students in our Blind Chart tests made me > > > > > eager see why they were successful.> > > > > > > > > > I think any experienced astrologer would agree that even if > you> > > > > ask a number of astrologers - all following the same system -> > > > > to assess or predict for an event they will invariably all > come> > > > > up with a different answer. > > > > > > > > > > This does not happen in KCIL because all charts are rectified > by> > > > > strict criteria, and invariably all students come up with the> > > > > same rectified chart. They all assess the event to get the> > > > > same answer because the cuspal interlinks are specific to the> > > > > chart and the rules are clearly laid down. This is > extremely> > > > > scientific astrology.> > > > > > > > > > Apart from success in Blind Charts there has been extremely > good> > > > > predictions ie births to the day and a narrow time frame. > Also> > > > > one practitioner looked at his mother's chart, and saw that > she> > > > > was likely to die the following day even though she had no > known> > > > > problems. He packed his family into the car and went long> > > > > distance across country to his mother's house. She appeared> > > > > fine, but the following day she died as indicated. How > many> > > > > astrologers using other systems would be sufficiently > confident> > > > > to do this?> > > > > > > > > > We have seen other things which validate the system, such as > > > > > Mr Khullar declaring that a certain person could not have been> > > > > born in a certain part of city because the events of the life > > and> > > > > family connections did not line up in regard to the relevant> > > > > house cusps. He then stated where the person was likely to > > have> > > > > been born. Checking with the native the position chosen was> > > > > almost spot on. There are many other reasons that indicate> > > > > that the system does work.> > > > > > > > > > So Sanat, first study this system in detail then pronounce on> > > > > it, that is the truly scientific way. Your opinion may then> > > > > carry some weight but until then it is difficult for anyone to> > > > > take your opinions (at least on this matter) seriously.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ron Gaunt> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sun, 27 Jul 2008 18:13:14 -0000, you wrote: > > > > > > > > > > >Dear Ron,> > > > > >Welcome in the forum for your first msg.> > > > > >You have good knowledge of astrology, still you are not > > > convinced > > > > > >with any system and advocating an another Khullar system. I > am > > > > > >reproducing your stand > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>Again most do not realise that it is possible to see > > > > anything > > > > > >and everything you want to see after the event with ANY and > > > EVERY > > > > > >system, due to the enormous number of permutations.> > > > > >I think I have looked at just about every astrological > system > > > and > > > > > >method going, and frankly most of them do not work at all, > and > > > > others > > > > > >do not give consistently good results. <<<<<<<<<<< > > > > > >> > > > > >against you. Because it makes no difference as to whether we > > are > > > > > >linking any past event with some principles or we are > linking > > > > future > > > > > >prediction with our psychology. If I will say your next > month > > is > > > > not > > > > > >good and you have faith on predictive astrology, then every > > > > > >psychological odd in next month will be linked with this > > > > prediction > > > > > >and in sub-conscious mind you may bent upon to think that > > > > astrology > > > > > >is correct. So it has no relevancy at all.> > > > > >> > > > > >We in India are being befooled and cheated by astrologers > > since > > > > 2000 > > > > > >years without knowing that sign was devised by Greeks and > > > adopted > > > > by > > > > > >us without any religious support. Because mass population > > always > > > > > >remains uneducated and educated lot are being lured by crowd > > of > > > > heads > > > > > >on shoulders (without knowing that their heads are empty in > > this > > > > > >respect) who follows some traditions. Cunning or ignorant > > > > astrologers > > > > > >after reading some latest books on astrology, full with > praise > > > of > > > > > >sages and latest data of solar system thinks (and propagate) > > > that > > > > our > > > > > >sages were well known with modern data. Thus they are able > to > > > > befool > > > > > >ignorant public in the name of Ved, Sage, Myth and so on > with > > > the > > > > > >help of Media and publicity. > > > > > >> > > > > >Bare fact is this that our sages were very logical and open > to > > > all > > > > > >sort of logical knowledge (which can not be questioned). > They > > > were > > > > > >very clear when they appreciate the knowledge of Greeks > > because > > > > they > > > > > >were of the opinion " tamso ma jyotirgamay " means we must go > > > ahead > > > > > >towards knowledge from ignorance. For the purpose of > knowledge > > > > they > > > > > >were following " Vasudevam kutumbkam " means whole world is a > > > > family. > > > > > >Thus they adopted sign system and other knowledge from > Greeks > > > and > > > > > >mixed it with our constellational system and religious > concept > > > of > > > > > >formation of universe. Thus our sages formulated basic > > > principles > > > > > >like sign lord, aspect, friendship, exalted, dasha and so on > > > > (refer > > > > > >my book in Hindi or in English for detailed procedure etc.), > > by > > > > which > > > > > >they were able to forecast some thing which happens to be > true > > > > > >(psychologically, and this phenomena was not known till 18th > > > > > >century). Thus Greeks then Romans adopted these principles > and > > > > > >subsequently slightly modified (aspect) as Western system, > > > whereas > > > > > >sign lord etc are same. As we Indians are not aware that > > concept > > > > of > > > > > >sign belongs to Greek / Babylonia likewise Western countries > > are > > > > not > > > > > >aware that sign lord etc. principles were formulated by our > > > sages > > > > on > > > > > >the basis of religious myth that Earth is stationary, Sun is > > > > nearer > > > > > >then Moon, all constellation are just above Moon and so on. > In > > > > this > > > > > >way where we Indians are being befooled in the name of Ved, > > > sages; > > > > > >likewise western countries were being befooled that > predictive > > > > > >principals were formulated by Ptolemy and now everyone is > > after > > > > > >socalled " Vedic astrology " without knowing that there is no > > > > > >predictive astrology in Ved. Thus predictive astrology is > > merely > > > a > > > > > >psychological game like magic. We must enjoy this game but > > must > > > > not > > > > > >be lured like a fool who may be lured by creation of > currency > > > > notes > > > > > >from a box by a magician and left his job in the hope to > > create > > > > note > > > > > >from that box. > > > > > >> > > > > >So instead of falling in an another trap by Khullar, you > must > > > find > > > > > >out the procedure as to how all basic principles were > > formulated > > > > and > > > > > >is their any scientific logic (in view of modern knowledge) > or > > > > not. > > > > > > > > > > > >Some points were discussed in brief (refer SOA_______ files > in > > > > file > > > > > >section) because followers of astrology, could not stand > after > > > > > >raising very simple arguments and further discussion could > not > > > be > > > > > >done. I hope that after +35 years of experience you may like > > to > > > > > >discuss on any point.> > > > > >> > > > > >Thanks,> > > > > >Yours truly,> > > > > >Sanat > > > > > >> > > > > >PS: Sh. Razdan Ji, Ghopal Ji, vinvj and Jagannathan Ji may > > > please > > > > > >come forward with reply on my comments. Silence is not a > > > solution. > > > > > >Silently reading is also not a solution. When we are in a > > forum > > > > then > > > > > >either we must educate other members or may improve our > > > knowledge. > > > > > >Remaining " as it is " is not a good sign. For improvement we > > must > > > > have > > > > > >inquisitive mind. I am ready to learn from expert > astrologers > > > but > > > > not > > > > > >as blind supporter. If Astrology is science then it must > cross > > > all > > > > > >questions and must have logical answers to all sort of doubt.> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > , " rongaunt@ au " > > > > > ><rongaunt@> wrote:> > > > > >>> > > > > >> > > > > > >> Friends,> > > > > >> > > > > > >> I am new to the forum, but have a fair knowledge of > > astrology > > > as> > > > > >> it has been my hobby for over 35 years. I am all for> > > > > >> questioning the validity of the subject, as I suspect that > > many> > > > > >> many astrologers, are very gullible because they have not> > > > > >> studied deeply enough to realise that the permutations in > > > > > >> astrology run into the millions. Again most do not > realise > > > that> > > > > >> it is possible to see anything and everything you want to > see> > > > > >> after the event with ANY and EVERY system, due to the > > enormous> > > > > >> number of permutations. And f course, very few if any, go > > on > > > to> > > > > >> achieve good predictions. > > > > > >> > > > > > >> I think I have looked at just about every astrological > > system > > > and> > > > > >> method going, and frankly most of them do not work at all, > > and> > > > > >> others do not give consistently good results. It has been > > my > > > aim> > > > > >> to find one that does work, and to this end I started > > possibly> > > > > >> the first of the regulat Blind Charts tests on the Web > many > > > years> > > > > >> ago. I hoped to find a system that really did work. It > is> > > > > >> only in the last year or so that I have found such a > system,> > > > > >> which drew my attention because the students of a > particular> > > > > >> astrological institution kept getting correct results in > our > > > > > >> Blind Chart tests. The system is the Khullar method of > > > Cuspal> > > > > >> Interlinks. > > > > > >> > > > > > >> Anyhow my intention in writing this mail was to point out > > that > > > it> > > > > >> is not very practical to furnish personal data and then > > predict> > > > > >> from it, because the waiting time for the prediction means> > > > > >> everyone will lose interest long before the event does or > > does> > > > > >> not happen. It would be much better to get members to > > furnish > > > > > >> data, to include some events and family birthdates in > order > > to > > > be> > > > > >> able to rectify the chart, and give say four options which> > > > > >> participants will check to find out which of these options> > > > > >> happened on a given date. This is real life astrology > and > > is > > > > > >> almost as good as future prediction, because you use > exactly > > > the> > > > > >> same methods on an unknown event.> > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> Ron Gaunt> > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> On Sat, 26 Jul 2008 08:44:09 -0000, you wrote: > > > > > >> > > > > > >> >Shri Jagannathan Kapisthalamji,> > > > > >> >Namaskar!> > > > > >> ><If you can furnish your date of birth,place and time of > > > birth > > > > let > > > > > >us > > > > > >> >try some astrological predictions and see whether they > > work.?>> > > > > >> > > > > > > >> >My late maternal grandfather used to make predictions > from > > > > > >horoscopes > > > > > >> >prepared from Grahalaghava panchangas, which were > anything > > > but > > > > > >> >correct, and that was admitted by the Panchanga makers > > > > > >themselves! > > > > > >> >Quite often his predictions proved correct! > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> >Does that prove that any predictive gimmicks are either > > > > scientific > > > > > >or > > > > > >> >Vedic? No. That cannot be so, since Grahalaghava was/is > > > > neither a > > > > > >> >Vedic work nor a scientific one!> > > > > >> >> > > > > >> >Thus even if some astrologers are able to make some > correct > > > > > >> >predictions about some one sometimes, that never > > means/proves > > > > that > > > > > >> >those predictions were either on a scientific basis or as > > per > > > > the > > > > > >> >Vedic lore! All that proves is that sometimes some guess > > > works > > > > do > > > > > >> >prove correct and that is why more often than not, > correct > > > > > >preictions > > > > > >> >are made only from incorrect data, whether birth > > particulars > > > or > > > > > >> >astronomical data, since Lahiri Ayanamsha in itself is > the > > > most > > > > > >> >monstrous ayanamsha that could ever have been invented by > > any > > > > > >> >charlatan!! And it is on the basis of only that ayanamsha > > > that > > > > > >ninety-> > > > > >> >nine per cent predictions are made these days!> > > > > >> >With regards, > > > > > >> >A K Kaul> > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > , " Jagannathan > > > > > >Kapisthalam " > > > > > >> ><jagannathankr@> wrote:> > > > > >> >>> > > > > >> >> Dear Sir, > > > > > >> >> Your article is quite interesting.If you can furnish > your > > > > date of> > > > > >> >> birth,place and time of birth let us try some > > astrological > > > > > >> >predictions and> > > > > >> >> see whether they work.?This is only out of academic > > > interest.> > > > > >> >> Regards, > > > > > >> >> jagannathan.> > > > > >> >> > > > > > >> >> On 6/17/08, sanat2221 <sanatkumar_jain@> wrote:> > > > > >> >> > > > > > > >> >> >> > > > > >> >> > Resp. members,> > > > > >> >> > We are not receiving any msg with some new point of > > > > discussion > > > > > >on> > > > > >> >> > astrology to analyze it's correctness. Hence I am > > > enclosing > > > > my > > > > > >old> > > > > >> >> > blog placed in the file section so that members may > > read > > > it > > > > and> > > > > >> >> > comment on any point. Some astrologer members are not > > > > reacting > > > > > >> >with a> > > > > >> >> > fear to loose their reputation in other forums though > > > they > > > > are> > > > > >> >> > silently reading the msg. Hence if they want they can > > > > interact > > > > > >on > > > > > >> >my > > > > > >> >> > email sanatkumar_jain@ <sanatkumar_jain%> > 40rediffmail.com> > > > > > >> >> >> > > > > >> >> > So far members have observed that supporters of > > astrology > > > > are > > > > > >> >either > > > > > >> >> > interested in by passing the main point or they have > > only > > > > > >faith on> > > > > >> >> > astrology without any scientific or logical support > to > > > any > > > > > >> >concept.> > > > > >> >> > Thus they want to live in ignorance and pursuing > others > > > to > > > > > >follow > > > > > >> >the> > > > > >> >> > path of ignorance.> > > > > >> >> >> > > > > >> >> > I hope to have some reaction of the members as I am > > > always > > > > > >> >interested> > > > > >> >> > in looking deep.> > > > > >> >> >> > > > > >> >> > Thanks > > > > > >> >> > Sanat> > > > > >> >> >> > > > > >> >> > ASTROLOGY A SCIENCE OR MYTH> > > > > >> >> > Will you please like to ponder and instead of > sticking > > to > > > > some> > > > > >> >> > misconcept regarding astrology on which you have not > > > > studied > > > > > >in > > > > > >> >depth> > > > > >> >> > but you only have faith, because you have been > informed > > > > like > > > > > >> >this. So > > > > > >> >> > come out and think with open mind and decide yourself > > as > > > to > > > > > >> >whether> > > > > >> >> > astrology is scientific or is being given coverup of > > > > science > > > > > >due > > > > > >> >to> > > > > >> >> > some vested interest. I do not want to hurt the > > > sentiments > > > > of> > > > > >> >> > astrologers or who are in support of astrology, but I > > > only > > > > > >want to> > > > > >> >> > emphasise that if you think that it is a science then > > let > > > > us > > > > > >> >examine> > > > > >> >> > it and then there will be no question of hurting, > > because > > > > you > > > > > >have> > > > > >> >> > not formulated the principles. But unfortunately you > > are > > > > > >standing > > > > > >> >in> > > > > >> >> > support of it like a lawyer only due to faith (which > > has > > > > been> > > > > >> >> > infused) and want to conclude like a judge that > > astrology > > > > is a> > > > > >> >> > science without knowing the story of other side. I > can > > > > > >understand > > > > > >> >the > > > > > >> >> > problem of astrologer that they will loose their > > business > > > > but > > > > > >if > > > > > >> >you > > > > > >> >> > are a client then you must have right to know the > truth > > > or > > > > > >call an> > > > > >> >> > astrologer in the consumer forum. > > > > > >> >> >> > > > > >> >> > At the time of formulating the astrological > principles > > in > > > > early> > > > > >> >> > Primitive age, it was the concept that every living > > being > > > > has> > > > > >> >> > capacity to move, whereas lifeless thing cannot move. > > > This > > > > > >> >religious > > > > > >> >> > philosophy leads sages to classify all so-called > planet > > > > (Sun, > > > > > >> >Moon,> > > > > >> >> > Mars etc.) as super living being (Deities). In those > > days > > > > only > > > > > >> >sages> > > > > >> >> > had social sanction to study religious scriptures. > Thus > > > > after> > > > > >> >> > prolonged observation of the sky they developed the > > skill > > > > to > > > > > >> >predict > > > > > >> >> > solar and lunar eclipse, which was the result of so-> > > called > > > > > >> >grabbing> > > > > >> >> > the Sun and Moon by imaginary shadow planets Rahu and > > > Ketu.> > > > > >> >> > They were also able to predict the timing of eclipse > > and > > > its> > > > > >> >> > duration. They have devised an ingenious way to offer > > > > > >donations > > > > > >> >etc.> > > > > >> >> > to get them free from the clutches of Rahu and Ketu, > > > which > > > > is > > > > > >> >still> > > > > >> >> > being followed. It was also religious concept that > fate > > > of > > > > > >> >everybody > > > > > >> >> > is pre-decided according to their deeds. Thus in this > > > > > >situation, > > > > > >> >it> > > > > >> >> > was common wisdom as to when sages were able to > predict > > > the > > > > > >fate > > > > > >> >of> > > > > >> >> > deities like Sun and Moon then why they could not > > predict > > > > the > > > > > >> >fate of> > > > > >> >> > King and so on. Thus procedure was devised to > formulate > > > > various > > > > > >> >> > astrological principles on the basis of the then > > > knowledge > > > > of > > > > > >> >sages> > > > > >> >> > based on scriptures and their celestial observation. > > > These > > > > > >> >principles> > > > > >> >> > were the key factors for deciding the fate.> > > > > >> >> > > > > > > >> >> > Procedure adopted to formulate these principles was > > never > > > > > >> >percolated> > > > > >> >> > in the Indian society due to illiteracy and hard > > barrier > > > to > > > > > >learn> > > > > >> >> > such knowledge by other castes. Subsequently these > > > > principles > > > > > >were > > > > > >> >> > spread to other civilisation and later on developed > as > > > > Western > > > > > >> >system.> > > > > >> >> > What is happening nowadays that there are two groups. > > One > > > > group> > > > > >> >> > belongs to astrologers who always try to support > > > astrology > > > > due > > > > > >to > > > > > >> >> > their business considerations (these astrologers > always > > > try > > > > to > > > > > >fit> > > > > >> >> > past event very precisely within some astrological > > > > principle > > > > > >> >within a> > > > > >> >> > capsule of ved, religion, astronomy (eclipse etc.) > and > > > > faith > > > > > >etc.,> > > > > >> >> > but they are unable to predict any future event. > > Because > > > > > >> >astrological> > > > > >> >> > principles lead to diverse predictions and that too > > > > diabolical> > > > > >> >> > opposite to each other. If by chance a prediction (in > > > > fluke) > > > > > >may > > > > > >> >come > > > > > >> >> > true then they start to harp on the same prediction > and > > > > start > > > > > >self> > > > > >> >> > praising instead of applying the same socalled > > principle > > > on > > > > > >other> > > > > >> >> > horoscopes to see their failure. Thus astrologer can > > only > > > > > >mislead, > > > > > >> >> > create confusion, try to cure `planets' and so on. > You > > > can > > > > > >find > > > > > >> >that > > > > > >> >> > only this is going on in every forum), whereas other > > > group > > > > (say> > > > > >> >> > scientist) try to raise some logical questions > against > > > > > >astrology. > > > > > >> >But> > > > > >> >> > none of them have ever tried to investigate as to > what > > > was > > > > the > > > > > >> >level> > > > > >> >> > of information of sages about the Universe, who > > developed > > > > > >> >> > astrological principles in primitive age and what > > > procedure > > > > was> > > > > >> >> > adopted to formulate various principles relating to > > > > Lordship,> > > > > >> >> > Friendship-enmity, Exalted-debilitated, Aspect, > > > Vinshottary> > > > > >> >> > periodicity etc. If we analyse whole set of > principles > > > then > > > > > >> >following> > > > > >> >> > questions may be raised (basis of formulation is > given > > in > > > > > >> >subpara).> > > > > >> >> >> > > > > >> >> > 1 What procedure was adopted to allot twelve signs > > among > > > > seven> > > > > >> >> > planets (as Mars is lord of Aries, Scorpio etc.) ?> > > > > >> >> >> > > > > >> >> > It was based on the concept that Sun is just above > the > > > > > >stationary> > > > > >> >> > Earth and Moon is above the Sun and so on……….> > > > > >> >> >> > > > > >> >> > 2 What procedure was adopted to decide that there is > > > enmity > > > > and> > > > > >> >> > friendship between some planets (as Sun and Saturn > are > > > > enemy > > > > > >of > > > > > >> >each> > > > > >> >> > other) ?> > > > > >> >> > Based on the Indian myth of fight between deities and > > > > demons > > > > > >over> > > > > >> >> > nector after sea-churning………..> > > > > >> >> > 3 What procedure was adopted to decide various aspect > > > > (full, > > > > > >> >quarter> > > > > >> >> > to full, half and quarter), (as planets have full > > aspect > > > on > > > > > >> >seventh> > > > > >> >> > house) ?> > > > > >> >> > Based on the position of army in the battle field………..> > > > > >> >> > > > > > > >> >> > 4 What procedure was adopted to decide that planets > are > > > > > >exalted > > > > > >> >and> > > > > >> >> > debilitated at some degree (as Sun is exalted at 10 > > deg. > > > of > > > > > >Aries> > > > > >> >> > sign) ?> > > > > >> >> > Based on planetary situation linked with Sun, when > > > duration > > > > of > > > > > >the> > > > > >> >> > day is more in comparison to night……> > > > > >> >> > 5 What procedure was adopted to decide that most > > powerful > > > > and > > > > > >hub > > > > > >> >of> > > > > >> >> > our solar system, Sun has 6 years vinshottary dasha > > > whereas > > > > > >Venus > > > > > >> >(a> > > > > >> >> > small planet) has 20 years ?> > > > > >> >> > Based on two triangles derived after working out the > > > effect > > > > of> > > > > >> >> > Universe on the basis of lord and exalted…….> > > > > >> >> > 6 What procedure was adopted to allot various > > > > constellations > > > > > >> >between> > > > > >> >> > nine planets with different vinshottary dasha ?> > > > > >> >> > > > > > > >> >> > Kratica was first constellation in Indian > scriptures……….> > > > > >> >> >> > > > > >> >> > 7 What procedure was adopted to decide order of days > of > > a > > > > week> > > > > >> >> > (Sunday, Monday etc.) ?> > > > > >> >> > Based on distribution of 60 Ghati (Ghat = pitcher) in > > the > > > > > >> >structure> > > > > >> >> > of Universe where Sun is nearer and Moon is far > away…..> > > > > >> >> > > > > > > >> >> > 8 What procedure was adopted to decide fixed > retrograde > > > > motion > > > > > >of> > > > > >> >> > Rahu Ketu (3-11 minute-second per day)? > > > > > >> >> > On the basis of recurrence of eclipse…..> > > > > >> >> > 9 What procedure was adopted to decide that Rahu, > Ketu > > > are > > > > 180 > > > > > >> >deg.> > > > > >> >> > apart?> > > > > >> >> > On the basis of recurrence of eclipse……….. > > > > > >> >> > 10 What procedure was adopted to decide timings of > > > eclipse ?> > > > > >> >> > Repetition of eclipse after fixed constellation > > month……….> > > > > >> >> >> > > > > >> >> > Thus there may be endless questions, with a final > > > question > > > > as > > > > > >to> > > > > >> >> > whether present form of astrology is correct? If some > > one > > > > gave> > > > > >> >> > answers to these questions then he will realize that > > > entire> > > > > >> >> > astrological principles are totally based on wrong > > > concept > > > > of> > > > > >> >> > Universe. > > > > > >> >> >> > > > > >> >> > Everybody may agree that every research is based on > the > > > then> > > > > >> >> > knowledge. In the same way, when astrology was > > developed > > > by > > > > > >sage> > > > > >> >> > Parashar etc. At that time it was believed that Earth > > is > > > in > > > > the> > > > > >> >> > centre of the Universe and stationary (it is also > > > believed > > > > in > > > > > >all> > > > > >> >> > religions). Beside this it was also believed (you may > > > read > > > > any > > > > > >old> > > > > >> >> > scriptures) that Sun is nearer from the Earth, > whereas > > > Moon > > > > is > > > > > >> >beyond> > > > > >> >> > Sun. All constellations are situated in between > Mercury > > > and > > > > > >Moon. > > > > > >> >> > You may be surprised to know that all astrological > > > > principles > > > > > >are> > > > > >> >> > actually fabricated around this concept. I my-self > > > studying > > > > > >> >astrology> > > > > >> >> > since last 35 years and developed softwares to > conclude > > > > correct > > > > > >> >> > prediction. But if it is true at one time then same > > > > > >combination is> > > > > >> >> > not true in other case. It leads me to think afresh > > > > logically > > > > > >and> > > > > >> >> > systematically over this subject and I find that > > > Primitive > > > > > >concept > > > > > >> >> > (when astrology was developed) requires full > > overhauling > > > in > > > > > >view > > > > > >> >of > > > > > >> >> > modern scientific astronomy, according to which > > primitive > > > > > >concept > > > > > >> >of> > > > > >> >> > Universe (basis of astrology) was totally changed. > > > > > >> >> > After lot of research I wrote an original book on > > > > > >> >astrology " Jyotish -> > > > > >> >> > Kitna sahi kitna galat " in Hindi (330 pages). This > book > > > > > >contains > > > > > >> >the> > > > > >> >> > detailed procedure adopted to formulate these > > principles > > > on > > > > > >the > > > > > >> >basis> > > > > >> >> > of the then knowledge about the Universe, which leads > > our > > > > > >sages to> > > > > >> >> > formulate these principles. This book was also > > published > > > in > > > > > >> >English > > > > > >> >> > with the title " Astrology a science or myth " (450 > > pages). > > > > The > > > > > >> >book is> > > > > >> >> > being marketed in USA /UK etc. > > > > > >> >> > Refer http://www.bokklubben.no/samboweb/produkt.do? > > > > > >> >produktID=1759836> > > > > >> >> >> > > > > >> >> > http://www.thebookplace.com/bookplace/results-asp? > > > AUB=sanat%> > > > > >> >20kumar%> > > > > >> >> > 20jain & TAG= & CID=> > > > > >> >> >> > > > > >> >> > http://www.aggarwaloverseas.com/booksdetail.aspx? > > > > > >> >> > ProductID=64211 & catID=AGO010 & detail=t> > > > > >> >> >> > > > > >> >> > At that time our sages were neither aware of Uranus, > > > > Neptune > > > > > >nor > > > > > >> >they> > > > > >> >> > were aware that solar and lunar eclipses occurred due > > to > > > > > >presence > > > > > >> >of> > > > > >> >> > Moon and shadow of Earth. That's why they have > > developed > > > > the > > > > > >> >concept> > > > > >> >> > of Rahu and Ketu with retrograde motion of 3'11 " . It > > was > > > > > >> >mentioned in > > > > > >> >> > the Grahlaghav that eclipse occurred when Rahu/Ketu > > came > > > > > >within 14> > > > > >> >> > degree on Amavasya (dark night) or Puranmashi (full > > > Moon). > > > > But > > > > > >> >nobody> > > > > >> >> > will be able to answer that why there was no lunar > > > eclipse > > > > > >when > > > > > >> >Sun,> > > > > >> >> > Moon and Rahu were at 203.01, 23.01 and 34.43 degree > > > > > >respectively > > > > > >> >on> > > > > >> >> > 08-11-1984 (Rahu was within 11.42 degree) or when > Sun, > > > Moon > > > > > >and > > > > > >> >Ketu> > > > > >> >> > were at 319.74, 139.74 and 150.26 degree respectively > > on > > > 03-> > > > 03- > > > > > >> >1988 (> > > > > >> >> > Ketu was within 10.52 degree). Likewise I find that > > Solar > > > > > >eclipses> > > > > >> >> > occurred even when difference between Moon and Rahu > was > > > > more > > > > > >then> > > > > >> >> > 14°. Sun and Moon were at 94.24 deg., whereas Rahu > was > > at > > > > > >79.04 > > > > > >> >deg.> > > > > >> >> > on 21-07-1982 (Rahu was 15.20 deg. away). Sun and > Moon > > > were > > > > at > > > > > >> >76.49 > > > > > >> >> > deg., whereas Rahu was at 91.93 deg. on 02-07-2000 > > (Rahu > > > > was > > > > > >15.14> > > > > >> >> > deg. away). > > > > > >> >> > To give a modern scientific colour to the astrology, > > you > > > > will > > > > > >also> > > > > >> >> > find in many modern astrological books that eclipse > > > > occurred > > > > > >at > > > > > >> >the> > > > > >> >> > intersection point of orbit of the Sun and Moon > (though > > > it > > > > was > > > > > >not> > > > > >> >> > known to our sages and Rahu Ketu were created on the > > > basis > > > > of > > > > > >> >myth).> > > > > >> >> > Thus it is clear that at the time of full solar > > eclipse, > > > > when > > > > > >Moon > > > > > >> >> > happens to be just over the Sun than Rahu must also > be > > > > there. > > > > > >But > > > > > >> >As > > > > > >> >> > per almanac Ketu was shown at 194 and 177 degree on > 12-> > 11-> > > > 1985 > > > > > >> >and 3-> > > > > >> >> > 10-1986 (refer any almanac) respectively when there > > were > > > > full > > > > > >> >solar> > > > > >> >> > eclipse and position of Sun/Moon were at 206 and 166 > > > degree > > > > > >> >> > respectively. You will agree that when there were > full > > > > solar > > > > > >> >eclipses> > > > > >> >> > then on these dates either Rahu or Ketu must be at > 206 > > > and > > > > 166 > > > > > >> >degree> > > > > >> >> > respectively, because only then full solar eclipse > may > > > > > >possible.> > > > > >> >> > Whereas Ketu was being shown at 194 and 177 degrees > in > > > > > >almanac. > > > > > >> >Thus > > > > > >> >> > there was clear mistake of about 12 and 11 degrees > > > > > >respectively. > > > > > >> >All> > > > > >> >> > horoscopes are defective in this light and due to > this > > > > > >fundamental> > > > > >> >> > positional variation, prediction is also effected. If > > you > > > > want > > > > > >> >then I > > > > > >> >> > can give many more examples and very simple method of > > > > > >detecting > > > > > >> >them.> > > > > >> >> > I fully support that astrology (predictive) is not a > > > > science > > > > > >but > > > > > >> >in> > > > > >> >> > primitive age predictive astrology was a mixture of > > > > astronomy +> > > > > >> >> > psychology + faith. Because astronomy is a science, > > > > psychology> > > > > >> >> > (recently discovered and it was not known in > primitive > > > age) > > > > > >> >played an> > > > > >> >> > important role in handling a person by the astrologer > > due > > > > to > > > > > >> >immense> > > > > >> >> > faith over astrology+astrologer hence predictive > > > astrology > > > > > >> >appears to > > > > > >> >> > be correct due to combined effect of all three. You > > will > > > > also > > > > > >> >agree> > > > > >> >> > with the above observation after going through my > > original> > > > > >> >> > revolutionary research. Because if everything is pre-> > > > decided > > > > > >as > > > > > >> >was > > > > > >> >> > contention of sages then why we may take pains, why > we > > > may > > > > try > > > > > >to > > > > > >> >do > > > > > >> >> > some thing, because every thing will take place > > according > > > > to > > > > > >pre-> > > > > >> >> > written destiny. Secondly, there is no question of > > > > modifying > > > > > >that > > > > > >> >pre-> > > > > >> >> > written destiny, because if we try to change only our > > > fate, > > > > > >even > > > > > >> >then> > > > > >> >> > all attached happening will automatically change > > creating > > > a > > > > > >> >cascading> > > > > >> >> > effect, which in turn will change the pre-written > fate > > of > > > > every > > > > > >> >> > person. In another case, if destiny is not pre-> written > > or > > > > say > > > > > >pre-> > > > > >> >> > defined than it is not possible to detect it. Because > > > when > > > > > >every > > > > > >> >Tom,> > > > > >> >> > Dick and Harry are changing their destiny due to > > worship, > > > > good > > > > > >> >deed> > > > > >> >> > etc. then destiny of every one will continue remain > > under > > > > > >change. > > > > > >> >You> > > > > >> >> > will agree that astrology is totally based on > > mathematical> > > > > >> >> > calculation regarding planets, whose transit is fixed > > and > > > > can > > > > > >> >never> > > > > >> >> > and never be altered. Now when transit or birth chart > > > > cannot be > > > > > >> >> > altered it means result of calculation or say > > prediction > > > is > > > > > >also> > > > > >> >> > fixed. Then how one may change his destiny (if it is > > ever > > > > > >> >prewritten)> > > > > >> >> > by adopting some means like offering, ring, vastu > etc. > > > > because > > > > > >in> > > > > >> >> > that case, if you like to say, then future events > will > > be > > > > > >altered > > > > > >> >but > > > > > >> >> > how a calculation of planetary transit or linked > > > prediction > > > > > >can be> > > > > >> >> > changed, which is fixed due to birth chart or fixed > > > transit > > > > of> > > > > >> >> > planets?> > > > > >> >> >> > > > > >> >> > Those who think that astrology is a science may be > rest > > > > > >assured > > > > > >> >that> > > > > >> >> > actually predictive astrology is not a science at > all. > > > Only > > > > > >> >astronomy> > > > > >> >> > and psychology (discovered only in last 200 years) > were > > > used> > > > > >> >> > unknowingly by our sages for some prediction and it > > > appears > > > > > >> >correct.> > > > > >> >> > Hence predictive astrology is bogus and astrology is > a > > > > myth. > > > > > >> >Still if> > > > > >> >> > you have a faith on astrology then why don't you > > contact > > > > The > > > > > >James > > > > > >> >> > Randi Educational Foundation who offeres a US > $1000000 > > > > prize to> > > > > >> >> > anyone who can demonstrate that astrology works. His > e-> > > mail > > > > and> > > > > >> >> > website is jref@ <jref%40randi.org> and > > > > > >> >http://www.randi.orgBecause modern> > > > > >> >> > technologies like computer, TV, Newspaper etc. are > > being > > > > used > > > > > >to> > > > > >> >> > spread this myth in the cover up of science with > vested > > > > > >business > > > > > >> >> > interest. Hence it requires a logical approach to > fight > > > > this > > > > > >sort > > > > > >> >of > > > > > >> >> > ignorance. My book has vital scientific information > in > > > this > > > > > >regard> > > > > >> >> > and readers of the book are fully convinced that > > astrology> > > > > >> >> > (predictive) is bogus, because procedure adopted to > > > > formulate> > > > > >> >> > principles was neither logical nor based on correct > > > > > >information of> > > > > >> >> > Universe, solar system.> > > > > >> >> >> > > > > >> >> > It would be better to know the roots of astrology and > > > > facts, > > > > > >data> > > > > >> >> > behind it before falling in the trap and come forward > > to > > > > join > > > > > >> >hands> > > > > >> >> > because of AIDS (Astrology Is Damaging Society).> > > > > >> >> > Sanat Kumar Jain> > > > > >> >> > Think differently, Think logically and Think > > > scientifically> > > > > >> >> >> > > > > >> >> > > > > > > >> >> >> > > > > >> >> > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> >> > > > > >> >> > > > > >> >---> > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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