Guest guest Posted June 23, 2008 Report Share Posted June 23, 2008 Hi I am still not clear on what this group is going to achieve! But the topic I would like to discover are... (1) Everyday life events - precaution against accidents (2) Best study periods for students (3) Money - wise way to earn and spend (4) Job - how and when one gets the best output. My guru's have always advised me to take the first option that comes across, as the nature has answered your wish, rather than waiting for the right one. I will post more stories, that I have heard about. The best job is never round the corner. (5) Health - don't we all need a word of advise, to not succumb to our genealogy? (that is passed down in the bean tree of Mendel?) Regards Vijayashankar Note - I am ardent lover of KP System, for it to help timing the events better, in which I am learning since 1989. I have a group KPSystem to discuss on it. You have to understand a bit about houses, and the stellar theory. I also like the Astakavarga system, and a friend of mine Sundaram, runs a group, basically researching the timings based on Astakavarga. He has devised rules called " Sundaram Rules " , which gives me more than 80% results, and helps to compare against the KPSystem events. You can check that group KAstakavargaResearch Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 25, 2008 Report Share Posted June 25, 2008 Dear Vijayashankar Ji, Namaskar, Thanks and welcome in the forum. Hope we will have useful exchange of views. You have raised a question as to >>>>>> " I am still not clear on what this group is going to achieve! " <<<<< with five points which you want to know through astrology. I am also not clear as to whether you have gone through various SOA_____ files in file section highlighting various point of discussion on astrology (as informed in welcome note). If you have not yet gone through then please read these files including " Astrology a science or myth " ; about the direction of discussion and what is the stand of various astrologer including KP. I am only discussing various aspect and principles of predictive astrology to inform some ground realties of astrology hence I am also not clear as to what these astrologer are going to achieve (except exploitation of ignorant public) on the basis of hollow foundation of astrological principles. You have also shown your interest in KP as well as astakvarg. Thanks for your advise that >>>>>You have to understand a bit about houses, and the stellar theory.<<<<<<<. But how you can say that I don't know about the houses of stellar theory and so on. For your kind information I am associated with astrology since last 35-40 years and that's why I am saying that it is bogus, including KP. Because all astrological principles are based on the primitive concept that Earth is stationary and Sun is nearer then Moon and so on. Do you know this fact? I am sure you don't know. Can traditional astrologer or KP inform as to how these sign lord was decided or how even sign was decided. Thus percentage of prediction has nothing to do with the correctness of prediction. So in nut-shell we may continue our discussion on any point raised in various SOA______ files or on any other particular point (you may also pick a point from file " astrology a science or myth " instead of diluting our discussion here and there. So you may initiate any point as you like for discussion or we may take questions like how sign was decided, who have decided………………. Or how sign lord was decided…………………….. Because these question or basic principles are the building block of predictive astrology. Hence it is not a matter of concern if prediction of an astrologer is wrong or right. Main point is, as to whether principles itself have some scientific ground or not. I hope you may have understood about the purpose which >>>>>>>this group is going to achieve!<<<<<<<< Hope to have very vibrant discussion as you are also running a forum and I hope you may be able to answer various questions, which may be raised during our discussion. Remember that nothing is personal and discussion is for academic knowledge. You can also invite your friend Sh Sundaram and other friends to join this forum. As no permission is required for joining or for msg. Thanks for your views. Yours truly, sanat , " vinivj " <vinivj wrote: > > Hi > > I am still not clear on what this group is going to achieve! > > But the topic I would like to discover are... > > (1) Everyday life events - precaution against accidents > (2) Best study periods for students > (3) Money - wise way to earn and spend > (4) Job - how and when one gets the best output. My guru's have always > advised me to take the first option that comes across, as the nature > has answered your wish, rather than waiting for the right one. I will > post more stories, that I have heard about. The best job is never > round the corner. > (5) Health - don't we all need a word of advise, to not succumb to our > genealogy? (that is passed down in the bean tree of Mendel?) > > Regards > Vijayashankar > > Note - I am ardent lover of KP System, for it to help timing the > events better, in which I am learning since 1989. > I have a group KPSystem to discuss on > it. You have to understand a bit about houses, and the stellar theory. > > I also like the Astakavarga system, and a friend of mine Sundaram, > runs a group, basically researching the timings based on Astakavarga. > He has devised rules called " Sundaram Rules " , which gives me more than > 80% results, and helps to compare against the KPSystem events. You can > check that group KAstakavargaResearch > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 28, 2008 Report Share Posted June 28, 2008 Hi Sanat Guruji Thanks for the mail. I am just 40 years old and I am into astrology since 15, taught by my dad. You group seems to be interesting. I have to spend time learning reading. I am member of 6 other groups and everyone has an answer, I have met one Siddar (old aged guru) in Tiruvannamali, who gave me some inputs on why there is Earth centric jyotish approach. First of all Jyotish is placebo, to calm you - it is meant to be counselling session based on the inputs of the native. Secondly, there are some earth centric calculation, for which certain things can be explained in certain way, only looking for earth angle only. Certainly! Imagine those old days, without the place of birth latitude and longitude, how they constructed charts? Can you post that technique? (I think they used Panchangas, and just transcribed the planet positions and manually calculated on the 360 years VM Dasa) Send me a private mail with your no. Glad to have your acquaintance! I don't want to talk about other friends. If I find value, I will post it in my own group of KPSystem with few hundred members and let them come here. Also I am not here to propogate KPSystem that I am LEARNING from 1989 (which has given me results). I am open to learning something new! Also I want to learn tantric approach of curing! Happy to be part of the learning! God Bless! Regards Vijay , " sanat2221 " <sanatkumar_jain wrote: > > > > Dear Vijayashankar Ji, > Namaskar, > Thanks and welcome in the forum. > Hope we will have useful exchange of views. > > You have raised a question as to > >>>>>> " I am still not clear on what this group is going to > achieve! " <<<<< > with five points which you want to know through astrology. > > I am also not clear as to whether you have gone through various > SOA_____ files in file section highlighting various point of > discussion on astrology (as informed in welcome note). If you have > not yet gone through then please read these files > including " Astrology a science or myth " ; about the direction of > discussion and what is the stand of various astrologer including KP. > > I am only discussing various aspect and principles of predictive > astrology to inform some ground realties of astrology hence I am also > not clear as to what these astrologer are going to achieve (except > exploitation of ignorant public) on the basis of hollow foundation of > astrological principles. > > You have also shown your interest in KP as well as astakvarg. > Thanks for your advise that > >>>>>You have to understand a bit about houses, and the stellar > theory.<<<<<<<. > But how you can say that I don't know about the houses of stellar > theory and so on. > > For your kind information I am associated with astrology since last > 35-40 years and that's why I am saying that it is bogus, including > KP. Because all astrological principles are based on the primitive > concept that Earth is stationary and Sun is nearer then Moon and so > on. Do you know this fact? I am sure you don't know. > > Can traditional astrologer or KP inform as to how these sign lord was > decided or how even sign was decided. Thus percentage of prediction > has nothing to do with the correctness of prediction. > > So in nut-shell we may continue our discussion on any point raised in > various SOA______ files or on any other particular point (you may > also pick a point from file " astrology a science or myth " instead of > diluting our discussion here and there. So you may initiate any point > as you like for discussion or we may take questions like how sign was > decided, who have decided………………. Or how sign lord was > decided…………………….. Because these question or basic principles are the > building block of predictive astrology. Hence it is not a matter of > concern if prediction of an astrologer is wrong or right. Main point > is, as to whether principles itself have some scientific ground or > not. > > I hope you may have understood about the purpose which >>>>>>>this > group is going to achieve!<<<<<<<< > > Hope to have very vibrant discussion as you are also running a forum > and I hope you may be able to answer various questions, which may be > raised during our discussion. Remember that nothing is personal and > discussion is for academic knowledge. > > You can also invite your friend Sh Sundaram and other friends to join > this forum. As no permission is required for joining or for msg. > > Thanks for your views. > > Yours truly, > sanat > > > , " vinivj " <vinivj@> > wrote: > > > > Hi > > > > I am still not clear on what this group is going to achieve! > > > > But the topic I would like to discover are... > > > > (1) Everyday life events - precaution against accidents > > (2) Best study periods for students > > (3) Money - wise way to earn and spend > > (4) Job - how and when one gets the best output. My guru's have > always > > advised me to take the first option that comes across, as the nature > > has answered your wish, rather than waiting for the right one. I > will > > post more stories, that I have heard about. The best job is never > > round the corner. > > (5) Health - don't we all need a word of advise, to not succumb to > our > > genealogy? (that is passed down in the bean tree of Mendel?) > > > > Regards > > Vijayashankar > > > > Note - I am ardent lover of KP System, for it to help timing the > > events better, in which I am learning since 1989. > > I have a group KPSystem to discuss on > > it. You have to understand a bit about houses, and the stellar > theory. > > > > I also like the Astakavarga system, and a friend of mine Sundaram, > > runs a group, basically researching the timings based on > Astakavarga. > > He has devised rules called " Sundaram Rules " , which gives me more > than > > 80% results, and helps to compare against the KPSystem events. You > can > > check that group KAstakavargaResearch > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 29, 2008 Report Share Posted June 29, 2008 Dear Vijay Ji, Namaskar, Thanks for your msg from which we came to know a little about you. I have picked up following point for discussion (scientific analysis for their foundation) from your msg. 1 Why there is Earth centric jyotish approach. So please intimate your comments as to whether our sages know that Earth is in Centre or they know that it is orbiting around the Sun and what is the impact of such knowledge on formulation of astrological principles. Also intimate what inputs were given by your guru of Tiruvannamali. 2 without the place of birth latitude and longitude, how they constructed charts? You have to answer this point with a view as to how they (……..Varahmihar and so on…) were preparing so called correct horoscope in the absence of long/lati, correct time and ayanansh. Though this point was earlier discussed a little bit in April and the member who raised this point was not able to answer the points. You can refer SOA – 7_______ in file section and can revive this point. 3 Whether panchang was available when astrological principles were formulated. >>>>>>>>I think they used Panchangas, and just transcribed the planet positions. <<<<<<< In this connection I will like to inform you that panchang were being printed since last 150 years. Because in earlier days neither printing machines were there nor panchang were used by general public. Position of planets were calculated on the basis of arahgan with the help of average motion of the planets. Even Grahlaghav used this system but with different base year. So your contention that astrologers of primitive age were using panchang for copying down the position of the planets is far from ground realities. I will like to have your views on above points based on your experience of 25 years. After hearing your views I will certainly come forward with analysis. And summery of discussion on above points (alongwith your views ) will also find place in SOA__________ files for future reference of members. You can also refer various SOA____________ files in file section alongwith my blog " Astrology a science or myth " . After discussion you have to decide your-self about the correctness of your views. You can also take views of other members in other forum or can invite them to this forum (if you like). I am again reproducing a portion of earlier msg on which your views are awaited. >>>>>>>You may intimate any point as you like for discussion or we may take questions like how sign was decided, who have decided………………. Or how sign lord was decided…………………….. Because these question or basic principles are the building block of predictive astrology. Hence it is not a matter of concern if prediction of an astrologer is wrong or right. Main point is, as to whether principles itself have some scientific ground or not.<<<<<<<< I will like to add that there are many forums for giving consultation or for learning astrology but this is the only forum which is only discussing the " science of astrology " , if any i.e. ground realties of predictive astrology. Beside this all important point of discussion is being regularly incorporated in various SOA______ files, so that new members can easily found the track of discussion. After this members have to decide as to whether they want to continue with predictive astrology or not. My email is sanatkumar_jain and ph. no. is 0751- 2626868. Thanks for your interaction. Yours truly, Sanat 29-6-08 PS : Members are also invited to offer their comments on various points raised in the msg. We are not hearing any msg from S/Sh Naik Ji, Ghopal ji, Rangrajan ji and many other silent members. We hope to receive some msg for further interaction. sanat , " vinivj " <vinivj wrote: > > Hi Sanat Guruji > > Thanks for the mail. I am just 40 years old and I am into astrology > since 15, taught by my dad. > > You group seems to be interesting. I have to spend time learning > reading. I am member of 6 other groups and everyone has an answer, > > I have met one Siddar (old aged guru) in Tiruvannamali, who gave me > some inputs on why there is Earth centric jyotish approach. First of > all Jyotish is placebo, to calm you - it is meant to be counselling > session based on the inputs of the native. Secondly, there are some > earth centric calculation, for which certain things can be explained > in certain way, only looking for earth angle only. Certainly! > > Imagine those old days, without the place of birth latitude and > longitude, how they constructed charts? Can you post that technique? > (I think they used Panchangas, and just transcribed the planet > positions and manually calculated on the 360 years VM Dasa) > > Send me a private mail with your no. Glad to have your acquaintance! > > I don't want to talk about other friends. If I find value, I will post > it in my own group of KPSystem with few hundred members and let them > come here. > > Also I am not here to propogate KPSystem that I am LEARNING from 1989 > (which has given me results). I am open to learning something new! > > Also I want to learn tantric approach of curing! > > Happy to be part of the learning! God Bless! > > Regards > Vijay > > , " sanat2221 " > <sanatkumar_jain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Vijayashankar Ji, > > Namaskar, > > Thanks and welcome in the forum. > > Hope we will have useful exchange of views. > > > > You have raised a question as to > > >>>>>> " I am still not clear on what this group is going to > > achieve! " <<<<< > > with five points which you want to know through astrology. > > > > I am also not clear as to whether you have gone through various > > SOA_____ files in file section highlighting various point of > > discussion on astrology (as informed in welcome note). If you have > > not yet gone through then please read these files > > including " Astrology a science or myth " ; about the direction of > > discussion and what is the stand of various astrologer including KP. > > > > I am only discussing various aspect and principles of predictive > > astrology to inform some ground realties of astrology hence I am also > > not clear as to what these astrologer are going to achieve (except > > exploitation of ignorant public) on the basis of hollow foundation of > > astrological principles. > > > > You have also shown your interest in KP as well as astakvarg. > > Thanks for your advise that > > >>>>>You have to understand a bit about houses, and the stellar > > theory.<<<<<<<. > > But how you can say that I don't know about the houses of stellar > > theory and so on. > > > > For your kind information I am associated with astrology since last > > 35-40 years and that's why I am saying that it is bogus, including > > KP. Because all astrological principles are based on the primitive > > concept that Earth is stationary and Sun is nearer then Moon and so > > on. Do you know this fact? I am sure you don't know. > > > > Can traditional astrologer or KP inform as to how these sign lord was > > decided or how even sign was decided. Thus percentage of prediction > > has nothing to do with the correctness of prediction. > > > > So in nut-shell we may continue our discussion on any point raised in > > various SOA______ files or on any other particular point (you may > > also pick a point from file " astrology a science or myth " instead of > > diluting our discussion here and there. So you may initiate any point > > as you like for discussion or we may take questions like how sign was > > decided, who have decided………………. Or how sign lord was > > decided…………………….. Because these question or basic principles are the > > building block of predictive astrology. Hence it is not a matter of > > concern if prediction of an astrologer is wrong or right. Main point > > is, as to whether principles itself have some scientific ground or > > not. > > > > I hope you may have understood about the purpose which >>>>>>>this > > group is going to achieve!<<<<<<<< > > > > Hope to have very vibrant discussion as you are also running a forum > > and I hope you may be able to answer various questions, which may be > > raised during our discussion. Remember that nothing is personal and > > discussion is for academic knowledge. > > > > You can also invite your friend Sh Sundaram and other friends to join > > this forum. As no permission is required for joining or for msg. > > > > Thanks for your views. > > > > Yours truly, > > sanat > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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