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Dipika let me get you in the first outset what are you out to.

Do you praise astrology or throw mud on it?

If you are both and I am for both too.

I hate to claim astrological truths on the name of God or super natural beings.

Astrology is a Science of appropriation.

I can try to be scientific ,but cant prove anything in the lab.

I am sure that I am a rational astrologer.

tkp

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Narendra NayakFwd: a report in deccan herald, mangalore supplementanother tale of bogus astrology.

-- TKP Ghopal32.2/40 Rajaratnam St.,Riverside Road,I Agraharam,SALEM-636 00193666 23444

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Dear Mr Ghopal ji NamasteI am sure you are a well-intentioned astrologer. However, lets clarify what you have written.Firstly, i think you mean " Asstrology is a science of approximation'.Also, you cant claim to be both rational and astrologer at the same time, unless you present either scientific or empirical evidence. Pls keep this is mind.

You will have to make a choice and speak out, even if it means abandoning astrology, just like I have done. Pls find a bettter hobby/work as an online counselor or agony uncle, if you really intend to help people in distress.

RegardsDipsOn Wed, Jun 18, 2008 at 11:12 AM, TKP Ghopal <astrogopalji wrote:

 

 

 

 

Hi

Dipika let me get you in the first outset what are you out to.

Do you praise astrology or throw mud on it?

If you are both and I am for both too.

I hate to claim astrological truths on the name of God or super natural beings.

Astrology is a Science of appropriation.

I can try to be scientific ,but cant prove anything in the lab.

I am sure that I am a rational astrologer.

tkp

On 6/17/08, dipika blr <blr.aspirant wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

 

Narendra NayakFwd: a report in deccan herald, mangalore supplementanother tale of bogus astrology.

-- TKP Ghopal32.2/40 Rajaratnam St.,Riverside Road,I Agraharam,SALEM-636 001

93666 23444

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Dear Dipika

I gather that you were an astrologer had to abondon because you couldnt be scientific.

Why did I say that its a science of apprpopriation because you cant test it in a lab.

Well to your knowledge do you think all the lab tested science are immortal.

They too are proved wrong by another scientist in a deffered date.

I meant by being rational beacuase I dont chase the natives crazy by threatening them

with foolish remedies.

 

I am from a land where rationalism was at its heaight in India and they were against those

foolish and unholy(the priests called holy) rituals.They were against the human tease human on the cover of upper caste and lower caste.But for them Tamilnadu would ve been still under the fiece complex of upper casteism.

 

Well,I go more on the line of counselling in addition to the planetary influences.

I ve a question to you ,do you really feel that there is no influence of planets on earth and human?

 

Wishes and regards,

tkp

On 6/18/08, dipika blr <blr.aspirant wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Mr Ghopal ji NamasteI am sure you are a well-intentioned astrologer. However, lets clarify what you have written.Firstly, i think you mean " Asstrology is a science of approximation'.Also, you cant claim to be both rational and astrologer at the same time, unless you present either scientific or empirical evidence. Pls keep this is mind.

You will have to make a choice and speak out, even if it means abandoning astrology, just like I have done. Pls find a bettter hobby/work as an online counselor or agony uncle, if you really intend to help people in distress.

RegardsDips

On Wed, Jun 18, 2008 at 11:12 AM, TKP Ghopal <astrogopalji wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Hi

Dipika let me get you in the first outset what are you out to.

Do you praise astrology or throw mud on it?

If you are both and I am for both too.

I hate to claim astrological truths on the name of God or super natural beings.

Astrology is a Science of appropriation.

I can try to be scientific ,but cant prove anything in the lab.

I am sure that I am a rational astrologer.

tkp

 

 

 

On 6/17/08, dipika blr <blr.aspirant wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

Narendra NayakFwd: a report in deccan herald, mangalore supplementanother tale of bogus astrology.

-- TKP Ghopal32.2/40 Rajaratnam St.,Riverside Road,

I Agraharam,SALEM-636 00193666 23444

 

-- TKP Ghopal32.2/40 Rajaratnam St.,Riverside Road,I Agraharam,SALEM-636 00193666 23444

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Resp. Ghopal Ji,

Namaskar,

I am jumping in your discussion with Ms. Dipika.

 

Thanks for joining the forum and hope to have a very interesting and

lengthy discussion as we have a rational astrologer. Is it a good

combination? I think that either one may be in support of predictive

astrology (with any reason like experience, many supporter of

astrology, tradition, science one more category rational or so on) or

one may be against predictive astrology (with any reason like

experience, rational, unscientific, illogical etc.) . Our forum is

the first forum where we are exchanging our views on both sides

without any personal allegation. Do not worry, I was also of the

opinion that astrology is a science but after prolonged digging I

find that it is based on primitive concept and knowledge hence bogus.

You may refer file " Astrology a science or myth " in file section.

 

Let us take various stands taken by you.

>>>>>>>>that its a science of appropriation, because you cant test in

a lab <<<<<<<<<<

 

I will like to know that where it is written in any astrological

scripture that it is a science or appropriation or more correctly

approximation. Because every astrological prediction is based on some

sort of combination, aspect, friendship, dasha etc etc. with definite

result. There is not a single principle in any scripture that it may

or may not happen. Only conclusion drawn on the basis of some past

information by some gamblers for sattebazi, gambeling etc. may be

regarded as science or appropriation or approximation. But this is

not the case with astrology. If astrologer may predict that some

incident may happen or may not happen then what is the use of such

conclusion. Science of appropriation / approximation is the initial

stage for acquiring any knowledge. Whereas astrological principles

like lordship, friendship, aspect, exalted, Dasha etc. are principles

followed by all astrologers and without any exception or probability.

But cunning astrologers have devised many new terminology that it is

Vedic, it is science and even (presently) day to day predictions are

based on transit of Saturn and Mars. So astrological prediction are

only befooling exercise and not more then this. Even astrological

predictions are not up-to the proverbs.

 

>>>>>>> do you think all the lab tested science are immortal.

They too are proved wrong by another scientist in a deffered

date.<<<<<<<<

 

Actually science is a consolidation of latest knowledge based on some

theories (when it is not proved), based on some formulas (when it can

be checked with some calculation) and based on some principles (which

can be proved beyond any doubt with latest level of information). But

before science every thing was covered by myth (which is a stage

below from theory). Thus you can say that improvement of knowledge of

human civilization has to follow the route of myth, theory, formula

and principle respectively. Thus every myth is a principle so long we

don't know about any theory, formula or principle; or every principle

is myth if we came to know some fault in the principle after

sufficient ancillary knowledge.

 

Thus predictive astrology, which was based on primitive myth (which

was actually having the status of principle in primitive age) about

universe, sun, moon etc.; can not be pushed against our latest level

of knowledge based on physical principles. Thus when it was an

accepted principle (now it is myth) in Primitive age that Earth is

stationary and Sun is nearer then Moon, Constellations are nearer

then Mercury and so on; and all astrological principles were

formulated around this the then principle. Then how you can push

those astrological principles (now myth) in present era when we know

that Earth is rotating around the Sun, Sun is far away then Moon,

Const. are not even in our galaxy and so on. Thus every astrological

principle is now baseless but surviving due to weak self-confidence

of human-being, business associated with astrology and due to

advertisement associated with business, psychological correctness of

any prediction and so on. But how a wave against astrology can

survive when there is no involvement of business which reduces

advertisement campaign (like this forum). Thus so long humans with

weak self confidence and businessman astrologer will be their on the

Earth no body can save those humans from exploitation by the

astrologers. Only education and knowledge can save them from being

cheated. Hence this forum is discussing logically any point relating

to astrology and trying to inform about the hollow foundation of

astrology, which I could find after sparing 35-40 years. Thus I am

not concerned with any result either in favour or against astrology

or any personal experience. Because some one may have positive views

but without any logical answer and some one may have opposite views

but again without any logical answer for their stand. Hence nothing

can be concluded. But I am concerned with the basic principles ie.

Lordship, aspect, friendship, exalted, rahu ketu and so on. (You can

also read a file " Astrology a science or myth " lying in file section,

which is the building block of predictive astrology). Thus if initial

information on which whole structure of principles was erected is

wrong then how end product may be right?

 

>>>>>>>I am from a land where rationalism was at its height in

India<<<<<<<<

Yes, you are right but to maintain this rationalism you have to find

as to why and how all astrological principles were formulated with

very logical and rational approach. I am sure that you have that

capacity so you may have to find / read these answers if not

convinced with my answers as to why and how these principles were

formulated. Because astrology is surviving only due to faith towards

scripture. So far I have discussed with many astrologers and none of

them is beyond faith. So to maintain Indian rationalism one must be

logical. You may read various SOA_______ files to know the stand

taken by the supporters of astrology.

 

Regarding your views on >>>>>>>>>influence of planets on earth and

human?<<<<<<<< you may refer " SOA-15 Affect of planets " lying in file

section and come forward with your stand.

 

Remember that nothing is personal and it is only an academic

discussion. If you like then please give a little introduction about

your-self.

 

Thanks,

Yours truly,

Sanat

 

 

 

 

, " TKP Ghopal "

<astrogopalji wrote:

>

> Dear Dipika

> I gather that you were an astrologer had to abondon because you

couldnt be

> scientific.

> Why did I say that its a science of apprpopriation because you cant

test it

> in a lab.

> Well to your knowledge do you think all the lab tested science are

immortal.

> They too are proved wrong by another scientist in a deffered date.

> I meant by being rational beacuase I dont chase the natives crazy by

> threatening them

> with foolish remedies.

>

> I am from a land where rationalism was at its heaight in India and

they

> were against those

> foolish and unholy(the priests called holy) rituals.They were

against the

> human tease human on the cover of upper caste and lower caste.But

for them

> Tamilnadu would ve been still under the fiece complex of upper

casteism.

>

> Well,I go more on the line of counselling in addition to the

planetary

> influences.

> I ve a question to you ,do you really feel that there is no

influence of

> planets on earth and human?

>

> Wishes and regards,

> tkp

>

>

> On 6/18/08, dipika blr <blr.aspirant wrote:

> >

> > Dear Mr Ghopal ji Namaste

> >

> > I am sure you are a well-intentioned astrologer. However, lets

clarify what

> > you have written.

> >

> > Firstly, i think you mean " Asstrology is a science of

approximation'.

> > Also, you cant claim to be both rational and astrologer at the

same time,

> > unless you present either scientific or empirical evidence. Pls

keep this is

> > mind.

> >

> > You will have to make a choice and speak out, even if it means

abandoning

> > astrology,

> > just like I have done. Pls find a bettter hobby/work as an online

counselor

> > or agony uncle, if you really intend to help people in distress.

> >

> > Regards

> > Dips

> >

> >

> > On Wed, Jun 18, 2008 at 11:12 AM, TKP Ghopal <astrogopalji

> > wrote:

> >

> >> Hi

> >> Dipika let me get you in the first outset what are you out to.

> >> Do you praise astrology or throw mud on it?

> >> If you are both and I am for both too.

> >> I hate to claim astrological truths on the name of God or super

natural

> >> beings.

> >> Astrology is a Science of appropriation.

> >> I can try to be scientific ,but cant prove anything in the lab.

> >> I am sure that I am a rational astrologer.

> >> tkp

> >>

> >> On 6/17/08, dipika blr <blr.aspirant wrote:

> >>>

> >>> Narendra Nayak

> >>> Fwd: a report in deccan herald, mangalore supplement

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>> another tale of bogus astrology.

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >> --

> >> TKP Ghopal

> >> 32.2/40 Rajaratnam St.,Riverside Road,

> >> I Agraharam,SALEM-636 001

> >> 93666 23444

> >>

> >

> >

> >

>

>

>

> --

> TKP Ghopal

> 32.2/40 Rajaratnam St.,Riverside Road,

> I Agraharam,SALEM-636 001

> 93666 23444

>

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