[HinduCalendar] Buddhism and astrology

June 7, 2008

and thus, by the narration of such " historical " (read as mythological) accounts of buddha becoming a recluse, " vedic " astrology ( " fancy_name " astrology) has hence been proved..!! regards

DipikaOn Sat, Jun 7, 2008 at 7:59 PM, sureshbalaraman <sureshbalaraman wrote:

Avtarji,>>No astrologer has claimed more than 70 per cent success! That means it is okay with you if the doctors kill as many as thirty patientsout of every hundred each one of them treats!<<

By killing thirty patients thru trial and error method only,the doctors have today reached this level of perfection,is my opinion.One needs to lose something to gain something is an old and outdated fashion,of thinking.

-->><Lord Buddhas father,the King of Pataliputra,was told by the royalcourt astrologers,that his son,Prince Siddarth,will renounce hisroyal life,and become a sanyasi.Thats was the main reason why,the

King,protected Prince Siddarth,from the influence of outsideworld,and did not have any clue about sufferings and things of thatnature.>In other words, even if the soothsayers hit the bull's eye sometiems

by " forewarning " us about the " impending doom " , there is nothing wecan do about it! Just see the father of poor Budha--- he could notprevent his son from becoming a recluse, in spite of the soothsayers

having warned him! On the otehr hand, the poor father must alwayshave had nightmares regarding the " future " of his son!<<Karma is something one has to undergo.Only the Lord can alter the Karma's force for example from 10000 kgf to 0.000001 kgf.And that too only when the Lord is pleased with your present thinking,speech and actions.

>>That reminds me of the famous words of Shakespeare's Julius Ceiser,Ceiser: " The Ide's of March has come " . Soothsayer, " Ay, come butnot gone " .That again boils down to the same thing: Even if we are warned

against our doom, there is nothing we can do to avoid it!<<In Tamil there is a saying " Vidhiyayai Madiaal Vellalam " meaning Fate can be overcome with the power of thinking correctly.

>>Honestly, if I am told that I will have to die on such-and-such adate, and if I believe that prognostication, it means I have to dieevey moment of the day till my actual death, if it takes place at

all on the appointed time! No, I would not like to pass away thatway!<<If you knew when actually the date ,day and time of death,one should be pleasnatly be happy to have had such a information,and go for Life Insurance with maximum return,ROFL.I would duh dat.Because death is a certainty,and its thru laws of numbers insurance company decide your premium,as one of their criteria.ROFL.

>><Even the present downfall of Nepal royalty was predicted as a curseby Yogi Gorakhnath,and exactly after the tenth generation,theroyalty has been vacated. >1. It apeears Yogi Gorakhnath was a Maoist, though he had

not " foreseen " the rise of Prachanda!2. Again, if at all the so called curse is correct, it means thesame thing: You cannot avoid what has to befall you---whatever " remedial measure " you may take!<<

Like i said before,had the King used his brain power to think correctly he would have won,unfortunately mind thought otherwise and got clouded.He should have sought the grace of Lord Shiva directly,instead of going to Guru's,Baba's,Tantrik's as a short cut.

>>In any case, " Vedic astrology " has done the maximum harm to the realHindu calendar. As such, if for no other reason, at least forstreamlining the same, let us bid it adieu!<<

To use Vedic Astrology as a punching bag,to streamline our calendar is just to get a sensational headline and make people sit up.Especially with so many in the world realising our Maharishi's did show a particular form of salvation thru celestial objects in the sky,to further the interest of Hindu Sanathana Dharma..

sbHinduCalendar , " Avtar Krishen Kaul " <jyotirved wrote:

>> > Shri Suresh Balaramaji,> Namaskar!> > <Lord Buddhas father,the King of Pataliputra,was told by the royal > court astrologers,that his son,Prince Siddarth,will renounce his

> royal life,and become a sanyasi.Thats was the main reason why,the> King,protected Prince Siddarth,from the influence of outside > world,and did not have any clue about sufferings and things of that

> nature.> > > In other words, even if the soothsayers hit the bull's eye sometiems > by " forewarning " us about the " impending doom " , there is nothing we > can do about it! Just see the father of poor Budha--- he could not

> prevent his son from becoming a recluse, in spite of the soothsayers > having warned him! On the otehr hand, the poor father must always > have had nightmares regarding the " future " of his son!

> > That reminds me of the famous words of Shakespeare's Julius Ceiser, > Ceiser: " The Ide's of March has come " . Soothsayer, " Ay, come but > not gone " .> That again boils down to the same thing: Even if we are warned

> against our doom, there is nothing we can do to avoid it!> > Honestly, if I am told that I will have to die on such-and-such a > date, and if I believe that prognostication, it means I have to die

> evey moment of the day till my actual death, if it takes place at > all on the appointed time! No, I would not like to pass away that > way! > > <Even the present downfall of Nepal royalty was predicted as a curse

> by Yogi Gorakhnath,and exactly after the tenth generation,the > royalty has been vacated. >> 1. It apeears Yogi Gorakhnath was a Maoist, though he had > not " foreseen " the rise of Prachanda!

> 2. Again, if at all the so called curse is correct, it means the > same thing: You cannot avoid what has to befall you---> whatever " remedial measure " you may take!> > >

> In any case, " Vedic astrology " has done the maximum harm to the real > Hindu calendar. As such, if for no other reason, at least for > streamlining the same, let us bid it adieu!> Regards,

> AKK> Regards,> AKK> > > > > HinduCalendar , " sureshbalaraman " > sureshbalaraman@ wrote:

> >> > Sunilji,> > > > >>. To my knowledge Lord Buddha did not resent astrological advice > when> > a desperate person seeks it. Lord Buddha's father consulted

> astrologer> > about Lord Buddha's future and later on Lord Buddha never said a > word> > against what his father did.<<> > > > Lord Buddhas father,the King of Pataliputra,was told by the royal

> court> > astrologers,that his son,Prince Siddarth,will renounce his royal> > life,and become a sanyasi.Thats was the main reason why,the> > King,protected Prince Siddarth,from the influence of outside

> world,and> > did not have any clue about sufferings and things of that nature.> > > > Even the present downfall of Nepal royalty was predicted as a > curse by> > Yogi Gorakhnath,and exactly after the tenth generation,the royalty

> has> > been vacated.It's not that we should believe anything blindly,but > before> > in ancient India,when longitudes & latituded were not in > vogue,they used> > a different system of prashna.But with so much of science &

> > technology,we should not go back to very very old system,and try to> > adapt Vedanga Jyotisha's guidelines for sacrifices,muhurats and> > festivals,and incorporate it as our Panchangam.We have been using

> > Panchangam from time immemorial,and if one reads the > Mahabharatha,Lord> > Krishna,even talks of omen and signs,things like that.It all > depends> > upon,which edition,author,translator-book one has in

> > possesion,ultimately,in my opinion.Just like in one of your > previous> > messages,you pointed out,that Vedanga Jyotisha,as suggested by> > Avtarji,is different in era itself.Based on scientific evidence and

> > knowledge from our scriptures,we ought to mold our panchangam for> > religious and mundane lives of Sanathana Dharma Hindus worldwide.> > > > sb> > > > > > HinduCalendar , Sunil Bhattacharjya

> > <sunil_bhattacharjya@> wrote:> > >> > > Dear > > >> > > Nice to read what you wrote. Lord Buddha was great and that is > why we> > Hindus revere him as in incarnation of God. I am sure you have read

> > Dhammapada, where there is an entire chapter on the brahmanas. > There> > Lord Buddha tells what a true brahmin should be. He considered the > true> > followers of him also to be brahmin. Dr. Sarvapalli Radhakrishnan

> called> > Lord Buddha & nbsp; to be a reformer of Brahmanism. Lord Buddha said > what> > Mundaka upanishad said. The Karmakanda is> > > inferiror knowledge and that alone cannot lead one to the

> ultimate> > goal.> > >> > > Yes, what Lord Buddha said on astrology is correct. In the > ancient> > times astrology was not for doing business or earning livelihood.

> The> > true brahmins did not possess anything. They lived an austere life> > depending on the society for their needs like the Buddhist monks > do.> > Doing business in astrology by a brahmin was looked down upon. To

> my> > knowledge Lord Buddha did not resent astrological advice when a> > desperate person seeks it. Lord Buddha's father consulted > astrologer> > about Lord Buddha's future and later on Lord Buddha never said a

> word> > against what his father did. Correct me if I am wrong.> > >> > > If you have gone through the Indian History you would have known > that> > the greatest damage to Buddhism was done by Bakhtiyar Khilji , who

> > ravaged the great Nalanda University and killed around 8500 > students and> > 1500 teacher-monks there. He also burnt the library there > containing all> > the Buddhist scriptures and some estimate puts the number at one

> > million. Bakhtiyar Khilji demolished thousands of buddha-viharas > and> > this went on till he was killed by the Assam king. Since you are a> > student of Buddhism you may also be aware of the rift between the

> > Hinayana and the Mahayana movements. Hinayana scholars do not > believe> > that Lord Buddha ever gave the Mahayana instructions.> > >> > > sunil Bhattacharjya> > >

> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > --- On Thu, 6/5/08, Todd Caldecott todd@ wrote:> > Caldecott todd@> > > [HinduCalendar] Buddhism and astrology

> > > HinduCalendar > > > Thursday, June 5, 2008, 4:20 PM> > >> > > There was request a few weeks back asking for specific

> information> > > with regard to Lord Buddha's perspective on astrology. At one > time I> > > had a significant collection of Theravadin buddhist literature, > but I> > > think I have those books packed up somewhere. However, I did a

> > > little cyber-sleuthing, and came up with a couple sources on > Buddhism> > > and astrology, one from the Vinaya pitaka, and also the Jataka > tales,> > > as follows. There may be other sources in the literature as

> well,> > > and if I can find these I will send them along.> > >> > > From the Vinaya pitaka: > http://www.accesstoinsight.org/lib/authors/

> > > thanissaro/bmc2/bmc2.ch10.html> > >> > > " Whereas some brahmans and contemplatives, living off food given > in> > > faith, maintain themselves by wrong livelihood, by such " animal "

> arts> > >> > > as:> > > reading marks on the limbs (e.g., palmistry);> > > reading omens and signs;> > > interpreting celestial events (falling stars, comets);

> > > interpreting dreams;> > > reading features of the body (e.g., phrenology);> > > reading marks on cloth gnawed by mice;> > > offering fire oblations, oblations from a ladle, oblations of

> husks,> > > rice powder, rice grains, ghee, and oil;> > > offering oblations from the mouth;> > > offering blood-sacrifices;> > > making predictions based on the fingertips;

> > > geomancy;> > > making predictions for state officials;> > > laying demons in a cemetery;> > > placing spells on spirits;> > > earth-skills (divining water and gems?);

> > > snake-skills, poison-skills, scorpion-skills, rat-skills, bird-> > > skills, crow-skills;> > > predicting life spans;> > > giving protective charms;> > > casting horoscopes —

> > > he abstains from wrong livelihood, from " animal " arts such as> > > these. " > > >> > >> > > And also from a Jataka tale > (www.buddhanet.net/pdf_file/jtwebv1p.pdf)

> > >> > > Once upon a time, there was a rich family living in Benares, in> > > northern India. They arranged for their son to marry a good and> > > honest girl from a nearby village. Being very pretty as well,

> they> > > were sure they could not find a better wife for their son.> > >> > > The groom's family decided on a date for the wedding. The bride's> > > family agreed to meet them in the village on the wedding day.

> > >> > > Meanwhile, the rich family also had their own special > astrological> > > priest. When he found out they had picked the wedding day, > without> > > paying him to consult the stars, he became angry. He decided to

> get> > > even with them.> > >> > > When the wedding day arrived, the astrological priest dressed up > in> > > his finest robes, and called the family together. He bowed to

> them> > > all, and then looked at his star charts very seriously. He told > them> > > that this star was too close to the horizon, and that planet was > in> > > the middle of an unlucky constellation, and the moon was in a

> very> > > dangerous phase for having a wedding. He told them that, not > seeking> > > his advice, they had picked the worst day of the year for a > wedding.> > > This could only lead to a terrible marriage.

> > >> > > The frightened family forgot all about the wonderful qualities > of the> > > intended bride, and remained home in Benares.> > >> > > Meanwhile the bride's family had arranged everything for the

> village> > > wedding ceremony. When the agreed upon hour arrived, they waited > and> > > waited for the future husband and his family. Finally they > realized> > > they were not coming. So they thought, " Those city people picked

> the> > > date and time, and now they didn't show up. This is insulting! > Why> > > should we wait any longer? Let our daughter marry an honourable > and> > > hard working village man. " So they quickly arranged a new

> marriage> > > and celebrated the wedding.> > >> > > The next day, the astrological priest said that, suddenly, the > stars> > > and planets and moon were in perfect positions for a wedding! So

> the> > > Benares family went to the village and asked for the wedding to > take> > > place. But the village people said, " You picked the date and > time.> > > Then you disgraced us by not showing up! "

> > >> > > The city people replied, " Our family priest told us that > yesterday> > > the stars and planets and moon were in terrible positions. It > was a> > > very unlucky day for a wedding. But he has assured us that today

> is a> > > most lucky day. So please send us the bride at once! " > > >> > > The village family said, " You have no honour. You have made the> > > choice of the day more important than the choice of the bride.

> It's> > > too late now! Our daughter has married another. " Then the two> > > families began to quarrel heatedly.> > >> > > A wise man happened to come along. Seeing the two families

> > > quarrelling so,. he tried to settle the dispute.> > >> > > The city people told him that they had respected the warnings of> > > their astrological priest. It was because of the unlucky

> positions of> > > the stars and planets and moon, that they had not come to the > wedding.> > >> > > The wise man said, " The good fortune was in the bride, not in the

> > > stars. You fools have followed the stars and lost the bride. > Without> > > your foolishness, those far off stars can do nothing! " > > >> > Caldecott

> > > todd@> > > www.toddcaldecott.com> > >> > >> > > ---> > >

> > >