Principle of forecast

June 6, 2008

Resp. Rao Ji,

Namaskar,

Thanks for your response. Hope to have interesting interaction.

There is nothing supernatural if a boy who was studying astrology

from the age of 5 and he is an expert in astrology, doing rituals

etc.; except that he may have a sharp memory, which is result of good

neurons in his mind. Thus he may be able to remember astrological

principles. There are so many children in the world having very sharp

memory. But how it is proved that astrological principles are

correct; on the basis of his sharp memory or if such program is

telecasted on TV. Now a days TV is merely telecasting program without

analyzing as to what should be telecasted. Hence it is not a meter

for checking correctness. You can see that fruit merchant has to sale

his fruit by roaming here and there, whereas wine is purchased in

line. Thus crowd is also not a meter of correctness. Many astrologers

used to predict any result about anything for hitting the headlines,

and if someone is correct then he used to claim his knowledge about

astrology. Like any other astrologer boy may have randomly predicted

about the winning of Yadiyorappa. Ms Dipika posted a msg on 12 and

26 May about election, (you may read these msg.) where not a single

astrologer could correctly predict. Thus it is all useless exercise.

Main point is that which principle was applied for such socalled

correct prediction. If you have seen the program on tv then please

intimate about the astrological principle. We are interested in

principles and not in flukes. I can say after my study for +35 years

that there is not a single correct principle in astrology. You can

see any scripture of astrology and you will not found a single

principle by which it can be predicted that so and so will win or

become CM etc.. Thus if planets or their combinations are responsible

for any victory then it is simple science that whenever such

combination may be there then same result may come out.

It is only our mind set which always try to find out any correctness

in prediction, and due to lack of time and faith we are not able to

find out the jugglery behind such principles. You can see that

everybody (who is not astrologer) is busy in doing routine prediction

in day to day life, like rate of particular commodity /share will

fall / rise, so and so will win or loose in politics/ cricket or any

other game, marriage, birth, death, success in examination etc. and

so on, merely on the basis of situation and surrounding knowledge.

Many predictions are correct and many are wrong. But when such

prediction is being done by an astrologer (mainly on the basis of

situation and information about the individual) then, as a normal

incident, some prediction may be wrong and some may be right. But we

are being exploited on the basis of some correct prediction in fluke.

If such supporting principle is correct then it may always be

correct. But it is not so. Thus prediction is only a random

conclusion on the basis of present situation and psychologically they

appear correct. You may have heard about many correct or wrong

predictions. How a prediction may be wrong which is very much based

on definite principles (refer any scripture), because 2+2 is always

four. But prediction is wrong because there is not a single principle

by which a correct conclusion may ever be drawn. Thus it is like

tossing of a coin by which you can draw any conclusion on the basis

of head and tail of a coin.

Actually prediction may be broadly classified in the following

categories.

1. Postmortem prediction – Any past event or present situation is

concluded by any principle like aspect, dasha, saptmansha, navansh

etc., transit position of planets, by changing time of birth …………….

and so on. Thus individual is always in the impression that his

past/present is covered by astrology hence astrology is correct.

2 . Psychological prediction – Narration of situation is predicted in

a way, which appears correct due to psychological affect on mind.

Like " you are presently passing through some problem " . It is evident

that when a person is visiting an astrologer then definitely he must

be in trouble. But by saying so, astrologer touch the weakness of

individual and any person will start to narrate his problem like a

parrot. In between dialogue of the astrologer implant a psychological

affect, which appears correct.

3 Remedial prediction – Astrologer try to convince an individual

that there is some problem in achieving success or in solution of any

problem but it can only be avoided by wearing some gem, offering

etc., vastu, fengsui etc. (in which astrologer is directly involved

thorough commission or so), or guide to do some offering privately,

prey to his god (in which astrologer is not directly involved but he

gain confidence of the client), which in turn may bring other client

for extracting money. Thus if client succeed then he will permanently

fall in the lap of astrologer and in case of failure astrologer will

convince him that he has already warned for some problem and remedy

was little affective due to higher side of negative affect of planets.

4. Situational prediction – Some party, team etc. may win, heavy

rain, summer, winter etc., this has nothing to do with astrology but

very affective in winning the confidence of local residents. Some

time they take help of proverb but individual is not able to realize

that any planetary position socalled responsible for rain, summer

etc. is applicable to entire Earth. Thus rain may be on entire Earth

and so on.

5 Fluke prediction – Like at the age of 1 or 2, any prediction that

individual may be doctor etc., Such prediction is affective to lure

the parents and astrologer may get benefit. If in fluke he become

doctor then astrologer will get publicity.

6 Fixed predictions – This is the actual prediction based on some

principle. This is actually the signboard of astrologer but they can

never predict any event except narrating some past stories to get

confidence of individual. Thus astrologer can never predict as to (A)

whether a particular horoscope belongs to a male or female. Whereas

there is vast difference in the life style of both in entire world.

Thus they can not even detect such vast difference, whereas a female

has to give birth to a child. (B) time of marriage, which is a

turning point in the life © Birth and number of male female

children, which is responsible for change in life and aim of life (D)

Type of business and earning (E) Death in family (F) Age of an

individual…………… etc.

Thus in last we have to think as to whether

- future is fixed. If yes, then what is the use of knowing it, when

you are not able to change it (however you can never know the fixed

future).

- future is fixed but you have to work for it. – When it is fixed

then it will happen and I have to work according to fixed destiny,

hence there is no question of working for it. Because my mind will

force me to do that. Thus future will act as a fixed track and I will

have to work according to fixed track of event.

- future is half fixed and you can amend it according to your labour –

How future can be half fixed. Because planetary position in the

horoscope is fixed, transit is fixed, principle is fixed. Thus when

every thing is fixed then how you can do any work against such fixed

result; and if you are able to amend the course of event in your life

due to your hard work even then future is not remained fixed. Because

anyone is not isolated from the society, family etc. Thus if his

accident is fixed then subsequent event, which may happen in others

life like doctor, wife, children, friends etc.is also fixed and there

loss or gain is also fixed. And if he divert his accident then he has

actually diverted sequence of events in others life too. Thus by

anyone's act, he is changing the life of other likewise with the

action of others our life is also changing. Thus there is no half

fixed future.

Thus until unless we will not analyze as to how these principles were

formulated and what was the science or information or checking system

till then it is not possible to realize about the hollow foundation

of astrology, which is only surviving due to faith and psychology.

I have written too much for informing other members too, who may

think and write back their opinion on any part of the msg and take

part in discussion. Because nothing is personal and it is only

academic shastrath for thinking in right direction. It may be my

views or it may be your views. So come forward.

Sh Rao ji, now I am waiting for your views and stand in support of

astrology with your little introduction.

Thanks for reading long msg.

Yours truly,

Sanat

PS : Some active members like econ, Krishnamurty ji, Dipika ji,

Rangrajan ji, Ravichandran ji, Bala ji, Sushil Dixit, Naik ji…………………

are not writing since long. New members are continuously joining but

they are also not writing. I don't know why they are silent. Please

come forward support members, share your views, clear your queries

support your stand, think in new direction, improve your self

confidence…………..Invite your other friends, inform about the forum in

your other chat group………….etc. etc. But please act.

June 9, 2008

Dear Sanat Ji, What do you think of yourself ? You know everything about Jyotish knowledge ? Send me any boy/gilr/s chart who at the age of 5 learned Jyotish and did accurate predictions.I think you are a rationalist and wanted to disprove Jyotish technics. I saying good bye to your nonsence science of Astrology forum. Regards, Rao.sanat2221 <sanatkumar_jain wrote: Resp. Rao Ji,Namaskar,Thanks for your response. Hope to have interesting interaction.There is nothing supernatural if a boy who was studying astrology from the age of 5 and he is an expert in astrology, doing rituals etc.; except that he may have a sharp memory, which is result of good neurons in his mind. Thus he may be able to remember astrological principles. There are so many children in the world having very sharp memory. But how it is proved that astrological principles are correct; on the basis of his sharp memory or if such program is telecasted on TV. Now a days TV is merely telecasting program without analyzing as to what should be telecasted. Hence it is not a meter for checking correctness. You can see that fruit merchant has to sale his fruit by roaming here and there, whereas wine is purchased in line. Thus crowd is also not a meter of

correctness. Many astrologers used to predict any result about anything for hitting the headlines, and if someone is correct then he used to claim his knowledge about astrology. Like any other astrologer boy may have randomly predicted about the winning of Yadiyorappa. Ms Dipika posted a msg on 12 and 26 May about election, (you may read these msg.) where not a single astrologer could correctly predict. Thus it is all useless exercise. Main point is that which principle was applied for such socalled correct prediction. If you have seen the program on tv then please intimate about the astrological principle. We are interested in principles and not in flukes. I can say after my study for +35 years that there is not a single correct principle in astrology. You can see any scripture of astrology and you will not found a single principle by which it can be predicted that so and so will win or become CM etc.. Thus if

planets or their combinations are responsible for any victory then it is simple science that whenever such combination may be there then same result may come out. It is only our mind set which always try to find out any correctness in prediction, and due to lack of time and faith we are not able to find out the jugglery behind such principles. You can see that everybody (who is not astrologer) is busy in doing routine prediction in day to day life, like rate of particular commodity /share will fall / rise, so and so will win or loose in politics/ cricket or any other game, marriage, birth, death, success in examination etc. and so on, merely on the basis of situation and surrounding knowledge. Many predictions are correct and many are wrong. But when such prediction is being done by an astrologer (mainly on the basis of situation and information about the individual) then, as a normal incident, some prediction may

be wrong and some may be right. But we are being exploited on the basis of some correct prediction in fluke. If such supporting principle is correct then it may always be correct. But it is not so. Thus prediction is only a random conclusion on the basis of present situation and psychologically they appear correct. You may have heard about many correct or wrong predictions. How a prediction may be wrong which is very much based on definite principles (refer any scripture), because 2+2 is always four. But prediction is wrong because there is not a single principle by which a correct conclusion may ever be drawn. Thus it is like tossing of a coin by which you can draw any conclusion on the basis of head and tail of a coin. Actually prediction may be broadly classified in the following categories.1. Postmortem prediction – Any past event or present situation is concluded by any principle like aspect, dasha,

saptmansha, navansh etc., transit position of planets, by changing time of birth ……………. and so on. Thus individual is always in the impression that his past/present is covered by astrology hence astrology is correct.2 . Psychological prediction – Narration of situation is predicted in a way, which appears correct due to psychological affect on mind. Like "you are presently passing through some problem". It is evident that when a person is visiting an astrologer then definitely he must be in trouble. But by saying so, astrologer touch the weakness of individual and any person will start to narrate his problem like a parrot. In between dialogue of the astrologer implant a psychological affect, which appears correct. 3 Remedial prediction – Astrologer try to convince an individual that there is some problem in achieving success or in solution of any problem but it can only be avoided by wearing some gem, offering

etc., vastu, fengsui etc. (in which astrologer is directly involved thorough commission or so), or guide to do some offering privately, prey to his god (in which astrologer is not directly involved but he gain confidence of the client), which in turn may bring other client for extracting money. Thus if client succeed then he will permanently fall in the lap of astrologer and in case of failure astrologer will convince him that he has already warned for some problem and remedy was little affective due to higher side of negative affect of planets.4. Situational prediction – Some party, team etc. may win, heavy rain, summer, winter etc., this has nothing to do with astrology but very affective in winning the confidence of local residents. Some time they take help of proverb but individual is not able to realize that any planetary position socalled responsible for rain, summer etc. is applicable to entire Earth. Thus

rain may be on entire Earth and so on.5 Fluke prediction – Like at the age of 1 or 2, any prediction that individual may be doctor etc., Such prediction is affective to lure the parents and astrologer may get benefit. If in fluke he become doctor then astrologer will get publicity.6 Fixed predictions – This is the actual prediction based on some principle. This is actually the signboard of astrologer but they can never predict any event except narrating some past stories to get confidence of individual. Thus astrologer can never predict as to (A) whether a particular horoscope belongs to a male or female. Whereas there is vast difference in the life style of both in entire world. Thus they can not even detect such vast difference, whereas a female has to give birth to a child. (B) time of marriage, which is a turning point in the life © Birth and number of male female children, which is responsible for

change in life and aim of life (D) Type of business and earning (E) Death in family (F) Age of an individual…………… etc.Thus in last we have to think as to whether - future is fixed. If yes, then what is the use of knowing it, when you are not able to change it (however you can never know the fixed future).- future is fixed but you have to work for it. – When it is fixed then it will happen and I have to work according to fixed destiny, hence there is no question of working for it. Because my mind will force me to do that. Thus future will act as a fixed track and I will have to work according to fixed track of event.- future is half fixed and you can amend it according to your labour –How future can be half fixed. Because planetary position in the horoscope is fixed, transit is fixed, principle is fixed. Thus when every thing is fixed then how you can do any work against such fixed result; and if

you are able to amend the course of event in your life due to your hard work even then future is not remained fixed. Because anyone is not isolated from the society, family etc. Thus if his accident is fixed then subsequent event, which may happen in others life like doctor, wife, children, friends etc.is also fixed and there loss or gain is also fixed. And if he divert his accident then he has actually diverted sequence of events in others life too. Thus by anyone's act, he is changing the life of other likewise with the action of others our life is also changing. Thus there is no half fixed future.Thus until unless we will not analyze as to how these principles were formulated and what was the science or information or checking system till then it is not possible to realize about the hollow foundation of astrology, which is only surviving due to faith and psychology.I have written too much for informing

other members too, who may think and write back their opinion on any part of the msg and take part in discussion. Because nothing is personal and it is only academic shastrath for thinking in right direction. It may be my views or it may be your views. So come forward.Sh Rao ji, now I am waiting for your views and stand in support of astrology with your little introduction.Thanks for reading long msg.Yours truly,SanatPS : Some active members like econ, Krishnamurty ji, Dipika ji, Rangrajan ji, Ravichandran ji, Bala ji, Sushil Dixit, Naik ji………………… are not writing since long. New members are continuously joining but they are also not writing. I don't know why they are silent. Please come forward support members, share your views, clear your queries support your stand, think in new direction, improve your self confidence…………..Invite your other friends, inform about the forum in your other

chat group………….etc. etc. But please act.

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