Guest guest Posted May 13, 2008 Report Share Posted May 13, 2008 My name was raised in a post from yesterday so I thought I would make another comment or two. Unfortunately, a subject such as astrology does not mesh well with the standard scientific method. Science needs to "see" and use the other senses to justify what it thinks is real. I am not an expert but I have read of experiments that have been done that DEPEND ON THE ADMINISTRATOR - in other words, the results of the experiment depend on who has organized and conducted the experiment! This is a very weird result, but the universe is a weird place. I would say that, perhaps, astrology is "real" if you believe it's real. Maybe it depends on each individual person! Anyhow, in my opinion, everything is in the natal chart. The proper interpretation depends on the skill of the practitioner. I have gained insights from my natal chart even though I've only been studying astrology for about a year, and I hope to be able to interpret future events by becoming more adept in astrology. Best wishes to everyone, whether you think astrology is real, bunk, or a little of both. econ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 14, 2008 Report Share Posted May 14, 2008 Affect of planets Resp. econ, Thanks for your reappearance after a long time, and your msg. prompted me to shell out my views on some points : >>>>>>>Unfortunately, a subject such as astrology does not mesh well with the standard scientific method.<<<<<<< No, it is not so. Actually science is a consolidation of latest knowledge based on some theories (when it is not proved), based on some formulas (when it can be checked with some calculation) and based on some principles (which can be proved beyond any doubt with latest level of information). But before science every thing was covered by myth (which is a stage below from theory). Thus you can say that improvement of knowledge of human civilization has to follow the route of myth, theory, formula and principle respectively. Thus every myth is a principle so long we don't know about any theory, formula or principle; or every principle is myth if we came to know some fault in the principle after sufficient ancillary knowledge. Thus predictive astrology, which was based on primitive myth (which was actually having the status of principle in primitive age) about universe, sun, moon etc.; can not be pushed against our latest level of knowledge based on physical principles. Thus when it was an accepted principle (now it is myth) in Primitive age that Earth is stationary and Sun is nearer then Moon, Constellations are nearer then Mercury and so on; and all astrological principles were formulated around this the then principle. Then how you can push those astrological principles (now myth) in present era when we know that Earth is rotating around the Sun, Sun is far away then Moon, Const. are not even in our galaxy and so on. Thus every astrological principle is now baseless but surviving due to weak self-confidence of human-being, business associated with astrology and due to advertisement associated with business, psychological correctness of any prediction and so on. But how a wave against astrology can survive when there is no involvement of business which reduces advertisement campaign (like this forum). Thus so long humans with weak self confidence and businessman astrologer will be their on the Earth no body can save those humans from exploitation by the astrologers. Only education and knowledge can save them from being cheated. Hence this forum is discussing logically any point relating to astrology and trying to inform about the hollow foundation of astrology, which I could find after sparing 35-40 years. Thus I am not concerned with any result either in favour or against astrology or any personal experience. Because some one may have positive views but without any logical answer and some one may have opposite views but again without any logical answer for their stand. Hence nothing can be concluded. But I am concerned with the basic principles ie. Lordship, aspect, friendship, exalted, rahu ketu and so on. (You can also read a file " Astrology a science or myth " lying in file section, which is the building block of predictive astrology. Thus if initial information on which whole structure of principles was erected is wrong then how end product may be right? Thus your opinion >>>>>>>>>Anyhow, in my opinion, everything is in the natal chart. The proper interpretation depends on the skill of the practitioner.<<<<<<< is not correct because natal chart may depict the picture of celestial position of the sky (which is astronomy and not astrology) but for concluding any result you have to rely on basic principles and result as mentioned by the earlier astrologers in various books. So where is the question of interpretation, when principle is well defined, and combination alongwith result is also well mentioned, without any suggestion of interpretation? Then how you can say that result is based on skill of practitioner. Regarding >>>>>>>> I hope to be able to interpret future events by becoming more adept in astrology.<<<<<<<< I can assure you that you or any one will never be able to forecast any thing about the life of an individual based on any sort of principles or any other system. At the most you can cheat others by claiming that your are a good astrologer and can forecast any thing and this can be achieved by any forecast which may convince the client psychologically. But remember since the birth of astrology there is not a single I repeat not a single astrologer in any country, who can forecast any thing adopting any principle, except some flukes or intuition (which has noting to do with astrology). I will like to have your logical views and you can also invite your personal / net friends to this forum. By the way can you give a little introduction about yourself to have a proper image before writing? Thanks Yours truly, Sanat PS. Members may share their views, raise any query on above msg or various points being discussed in the forum and lying in various SOA files. Ms. Dipika ji. Please upload your latest msg regarding Sh Narendra ji about election result and Khushwantsingh. This will be useful for our members. As every msg is dumped in the pile and it is not possible for every member to search such files. Silent members may invite their astrologer friends for discussion and exchange of views. I am unable to understand as to why they are hesitant in sharing their views either in support or in opposition of astrology. This forum is only place where you can exchange your views without any censorship from moderator. So do not wait for others to raise some point. -- In , econdude <econ_dude wrote: > > My name was raised in a post from yesterday so I thought I would make another comment or two. Unfortunately, a subject such as astrology does not mesh well with the standard scientific method. Science needs to " see " and use the other senses to justify what it thinks is real. I am not an expert but I have read of experiments that have been done that DEPEND ON THE ADMINISTRATOR - in other words, the results of the experiment depend on who has organized and conducted the experiment! This is a very weird result, but the universe is a weird place. I would say that, perhaps, astrology is " real " if you believe it's real. Maybe it depends on each individual person! > > Anyhow, in my opinion, everything is in the natal chart. The proper interpretation depends on the skill of the practitioner. I have gained insights from my natal chart even though I've only been studying astrology for about a year, and I hope to be able to interpret future events by becoming more adept in astrology. > > Best wishes to everyone, whether you think astrology is real, bunk, or a little of both. econ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 16, 2008 Report Share Posted May 16, 2008 Dear Mr.Sanat Kumar, I joined this forum just now since I received an invitation email from you. It appeared to me from the email and from the title of the forum that the goal of this forum was to study astrology with an unprejudiced mind and gather viewpoints as to whether it is or is not scientific. After reading your reply (below), I am sorry that I was wrong in my assumptions about this forum. I can see that you have a categorical view that astrology is not science. This is a prejudicial view, and coming from the forum founder, does not mean well for members who might have differing views. Thanks for the invitation anyway. Regards, Rangarajan , " sanat2221 " <sanatkumar_jain wrote: > > Affect of planets > > Resp. econ, > Thanks for your reappearance after a long time, and your msg. > prompted me to shell out my views on some points : > >>>>>>>Unfortunately, a subject such as astrology does not mesh well > with the standard scientific method.<<<<<<< > No, it is not so. Actually science is a consolidation of latest > knowledge based on some theories (when it is not proved), based on > some formulas (when it can be checked with some calculation) and > based on some principles (which can be proved beyond any doubt with > latest level of information). But before science every thing was > covered by myth (which is a stage below from theory). Thus you can > say that improvement of knowledge of human civilization has to follow > the route of myth, theory, formula and principle respectively. Thus > every myth is a principle so long we don't know about any theory, > formula or principle; or every principle is myth if we came to know > some fault in the principle after sufficient ancillary knowledge. > > Thus predictive astrology, which was based on primitive myth (which > was actually having the status of principle in primitive age) about > universe, sun, moon etc.; can not be pushed against our latest level > of knowledge based on physical principles. Thus when it was an > accepted principle (now it is myth) in Primitive age that Earth is > stationary and Sun is nearer then Moon, Constellations are nearer > then Mercury and so on; and all astrological principles were > formulated around this the then principle. Then how you can push > those astrological principles (now myth) in present era when we know > that Earth is rotating around the Sun, Sun is far away then Moon, > Const. are not even in our galaxy and so on. Thus every astrological > principle is now baseless but surviving due to weak self-confidence > of human-being, business associated with astrology and due to > advertisement associated with business, psychological correctness of > any prediction and so on. But how a wave against astrology can > survive when there is no involvement of business which reduces > advertisement campaign (like this forum). Thus so long humans with > weak self confidence and businessman astrologer will be their on the > Earth no body can save those humans from exploitation by the > astrologers. Only education and knowledge can save them from being > cheated. Hence this forum is discussing logically any point relating > to astrology and trying to inform about the hollow foundation of > astrology, which I could find after sparing 35-40 years. Thus I am > not concerned with any result either in favour or against astrology > or any personal experience. Because some one may have positive views > but without any logical answer and some one may have opposite views > but again without any logical answer for their stand. Hence nothing > can be concluded. But I am concerned with the basic principles ie. > Lordship, aspect, friendship, exalted, rahu ketu and so on. (You can > also read a file " Astrology a science or myth " lying in file section, > which is the building block of predictive astrology. Thus if initial > information on which whole structure of principles was erected is > wrong then how end product may be right? > > Thus your opinion >>>>>>>>>Anyhow, in my opinion, everything is in > the natal chart. The proper interpretation depends on the skill of > the practitioner.<<<<<<< is not correct because natal chart may > depict the picture of celestial position of the sky (which is > astronomy and not astrology) but for concluding any result you have > to rely on basic principles and result as mentioned by the earlier > astrologers in various books. So where is the question of > interpretation, when principle is well defined, and combination > alongwith result is also well mentioned, without any suggestion of > interpretation? Then how you can say that result is based on skill of > practitioner. > > Regarding >>>>>>>> I hope to be able to interpret future events by > becoming more adept in astrology.<<<<<<<< I can assure you that you > or any one will never be able to forecast any thing about the life of > an individual based on any sort of principles or any other system. At > the most you can cheat others by claiming that your are a good > astrologer and can forecast any thing and this can be achieved by any > forecast which may convince the client psychologically. But remember > since the birth of astrology there is not a single I repeat not a > single astrologer in any country, who can forecast any thing adopting > any principle, except some flukes or intuition (which has noting to > do with astrology). > > I will like to have your logical views and you can also invite your > personal / net friends to this forum. By the way can you give a > little introduction about yourself to have a proper image before > writing? > Thanks > Yours truly, > Sanat > > PS. Members may share their views, raise any query on above msg or > various points being discussed in the forum and lying in various SOA > files. > Ms. Dipika ji. Please upload your latest msg regarding Sh Narendra ji > about election result and Khushwantsingh. This will be useful for our > members. As every msg is dumped in the pile and it is not possible > for every member to search such files. > Silent members may invite their astrologer friends for discussion and > exchange of views. I am unable to understand as to why they are > hesitant in sharing their views either in support or in opposition of > astrology. This forum is only place where you can exchange your views > without any censorship from moderator. So do not wait for others to > raise some point. > > > > -- In , econdude <econ_dude@> > wrote: > > > > My name was raised in a post from yesterday so I thought I would > make another comment or two. Unfortunately, a subject such as > astrology does not mesh well with the standard scientific method. > Science needs to " see " and use the other senses to justify what it > thinks is real. I am not an expert but I have read of experiments > that have been done that DEPEND ON THE ADMINISTRATOR - in other > words, the results of the experiment depend on who has organized and > conducted the experiment! This is a very weird result, but the > universe is a weird place. I would say that, perhaps, astrology > is " real " if you believe it's real. Maybe it depends on each > individual person! > > > > Anyhow, in my opinion, everything is in the natal chart. The > proper interpretation depends on the skill of the practitioner. I > have gained insights from my natal chart even though I've only been > studying astrology for about a year, and I hope to be able to > interpret future events by becoming more adept in astrology. > > > > Best wishes to everyone, whether you think astrology is real, > bunk, or a little of both. econ > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 17, 2008 Report Share Posted May 17, 2008 Dear Rangarajan ji,I have been studying different techniques used by astrologers for past 7 years. If you have any arguments which suggest astrology works, please share it with the group. I am sure it will be received with open however reasoning mind. regardsDipikaOn Sat, May 17, 2008 at 8:03 AM, Rangarajan Krishnamoorthy <ranga wrote: Dear Mr.Sanat Kumar, I joined this forum just now since I received an invitation email from you. It appeared to me from the email and from the title of the forum that the goal of this forum was to study astrology with an unprejudiced mind and gather viewpoints as to whether it is or is not scientific. After reading your reply (below), I am sorry that I was wrong in my assumptions about this forum. I can see that you have a categorical view that astrology is not science. This is a prejudicial view, and coming from the forum founder, does not mean well for members who might have differing views. Thanks for the invitation anyway. Regards, Rangarajan , " sanat2221 " <sanatkumar_jain wrote: > > Affect of planets > > Resp. econ, > Thanks for your reappearance after a long time, and your msg. > prompted me to shell out my views on some points : > >>>>>>>Unfortunately, a subject such as astrology does not mesh well > with the standard scientific method.<<<<<<< > No, it is not so. Actually science is a consolidation of latest > knowledge based on some theories (when it is not proved), based on > some formulas (when it can be checked with some calculation) and > based on some principles (which can be proved beyond any doubt with > latest level of information). But before science every thing was > covered by myth (which is a stage below from theory). Thus you can > say that improvement of knowledge of human civilization has to follow > the route of myth, theory, formula and principle respectively. Thus > every myth is a principle so long we don't know about any theory, > formula or principle; or every principle is myth if we came to know > some fault in the principle after sufficient ancillary knowledge. > > Thus predictive astrology, which was based on primitive myth (which > was actually having the status of principle in primitive age) about > universe, sun, moon etc.; can not be pushed against our latest level > of knowledge based on physical principles. Thus when it was an > accepted principle (now it is myth) in Primitive age that Earth is > stationary and Sun is nearer then Moon, Constellations are nearer > then Mercury and so on; and all astrological principles were > formulated around this the then principle. Then how you can push > those astrological principles (now myth) in present era when we know > that Earth is rotating around the Sun, Sun is far away then Moon, > Const. are not even in our galaxy and so on. Thus every astrological > principle is now baseless but surviving due to weak self-confidence > of human-being, business associated with astrology and due to > advertisement associated with business, psychological correctness of > any prediction and so on. But how a wave against astrology can > survive when there is no involvement of business which reduces > advertisement campaign (like this forum). Thus so long humans with > weak self confidence and businessman astrologer will be their on the > Earth no body can save those humans from exploitation by the > astrologers. Only education and knowledge can save them from being > cheated. Hence this forum is discussing logically any point relating > to astrology and trying to inform about the hollow foundation of > astrology, which I could find after sparing 35-40 years. Thus I am > not concerned with any result either in favour or against astrology > or any personal experience. Because some one may have positive views > but without any logical answer and some one may have opposite views > but again without any logical answer for their stand. Hence nothing > can be concluded. But I am concerned with the basic principles ie. > Lordship, aspect, friendship, exalted, rahu ketu and so on. (You can > also read a file " Astrology a science or myth " lying in file section, > which is the building block of predictive astrology. Thus if initial > information on which whole structure of principles was erected is > wrong then how end product may be right? > > Thus your opinion >>>>>>>>>Anyhow, in my opinion, everything is in > the natal chart. The proper interpretation depends on the skill of > the practitioner.<<<<<<< is not correct because natal chart may > depict the picture of celestial position of the sky (which is > astronomy and not astrology) but for concluding any result you have > to rely on basic principles and result as mentioned by the earlier > astrologers in various books. So where is the question of > interpretation, when principle is well defined, and combination > alongwith result is also well mentioned, without any suggestion of > interpretation? Then how you can say that result is based on skill of > practitioner. > > Regarding >>>>>>>> I hope to be able to interpret future events by > becoming more adept in astrology.<<<<<<<< I can assure you that you > or any one will never be able to forecast any thing about the life of > an individual based on any sort of principles or any other system. At > the most you can cheat others by claiming that your are a good > astrologer and can forecast any thing and this can be achieved by any > forecast which may convince the client psychologically. But remember > since the birth of astrology there is not a single I repeat not a > single astrologer in any country, who can forecast any thing adopting > any principle, except some flukes or intuition (which has noting to > do with astrology). > > I will like to have your logical views and you can also invite your > personal / net friends to this forum. By the way can you give a > little introduction about yourself to have a proper image before > writing? > Thanks > Yours truly, > Sanat > > PS. Members may share their views, raise any query on above msg or > various points being discussed in the forum and lying in various SOA > files. > Ms. Dipika ji. Please upload your latest msg regarding Sh Narendra ji > about election result and Khushwantsingh. This will be useful for our > members. As every msg is dumped in the pile and it is not possible > for every member to search such files. > Silent members may invite their astrologer friends for discussion and > exchange of views. I am unable to understand as to why they are > hesitant in sharing their views either in support or in opposition of > astrology. This forum is only place where you can exchange your views > without any censorship from moderator. So do not wait for others to > raise some point. > > > > -- In , econdude <econ_dude@> > wrote: > > > > My name was raised in a post from yesterday so I thought I would > make another comment or two. Unfortunately, a subject such as > astrology does not mesh well with the standard scientific method. > Science needs to " see " and use the other senses to justify what it > thinks is real. I am not an expert but I have read of experiments > that have been done that DEPEND ON THE ADMINISTRATOR - in other > words, the results of the experiment depend on who has organized and > conducted the experiment! This is a very weird result, but the > universe is a weird place. I would say that, perhaps, astrology > is " real " if you believe it's real. Maybe it depends on each > individual person! > > > > Anyhow, in my opinion, everything is in the natal chart. The > proper interpretation depends on the skill of the practitioner. I > have gained insights from my natal chart even though I've only been > studying astrology for about a year, and I hope to be able to > interpret future events by becoming more adept in astrology. > > > > Best wishes to everyone, whether you think astrology is real, > bunk, or a little of both. econ > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 18, 2008 Report Share Posted May 18, 2008 Resp. Rangarajan ji, Namaskar, Thanks for your first reaction and I am forwarding our interaction on your following point >>>>>>>>. I can see that you have a categorical view that astrology is not science.<<<<< I have again gone through my earlier msg to econ and I don't find any sentence like " Astrology is not science " . I am again quoting some point from that msg. >>>>>>>>Thus you can say that improvement of knowledge of human civilization has to follow the route of myth, theory, formula and principle respectively. Thus every myth is a principle so long we don't know about any theory, formula or principle; or every principle is myth if we came to know some fault in the principle after sufficient ancillary knowledge. <<<<<<< Thus our primitive knowledge was science with reference to the then period. So where I am saying that it is not science. Scientific concept of today may change tomorrow. Thus if presumption of scientist that there are UFOs or Mars may have life or some planet in Universe may have life and so on; is today's science (uncontroversial findings); And we have to proceed with this concept, whether it may be right or wrong in future. Thus if today, we are worried with extra- territorial advanced life, then there is no harm if primitive sages were thinking that Sun, moon etc. are deities because they can move like any living being. If they are deities then they may have some mutual relation like friendship, aspect, lordship etc.. Thus it was the initial stage for knowing about the Universe. We are still in the process of knowing the Universe. Thus if astronomy (the then astrology) has developed to modern astronomy then how root of this journey may not be science. It is like, glider of Right brothers was as good as science though it is not used like Boeing. It makes no difference. Difference will generate when present generation of Right brothers may try to push their glider against Boeing and they may not try to understand that their concept may be right in early twenties but it is not so now. Likewise principle of predictive astrology may be right and I again quote the portion >>>>>>>> Thus predictive astrology, which was based on primitive myth (which was actually having the status of principle in primitive age) about universe, sun, moon etc.; can not be pushed against our latest level of knowledge based on physical principles. Thus when it was an accepted principle (now it is myth) in Primitive age that Earth is stationary and Sun is nearer then Moon, Constellations are nearer then Mercury and so on; and all astrological principles were formulated around this the then principle.<<<<<<<<< But now we know about Solar system can check any principle with many data, then how it (primitive knowledge) can be termed as science with reference to present time, without proper discussion, exchange of views, experiment, logical approach to every thing and so on. In view of this we have to analyze every principle to know as to how it was formulated, what was the level of knowledge with our sages at that time, whether procedure adopted and base of knowledge may be accepted with modern knowledge and so on. You may have seen that many forums are busy in teaching astrology and anyhow supporting primitive myth against modern science (science is not something extra territorial, which has been thrown by some aliens on human civilization but it is accumulation of knowledge, and comprises of myth (like mars has life etc. without any logical proof), principles (can be checked), theories (like big bang) which can be followed till we found some missing link………..), without knowing that our sages were more open to knowledge (that's why they say Vasudevam kutumbkam) and they accepted the concept of sign, surya siddhant etc. from Greek. But we are expert in branding any thing as " Made in India " , so long it is beneficial for some business consideration (it is modern concept and never adopted by our sages) This forum is only discussing the principle with scientific approach, without any business or challenge to astrology or pushing of astrology for the benefit of cheaters. So long my view is concerned, I will like to say that don't go with my stand, forget my stand, which I formed after studying, analyzing, development of predictive astrological software, writing of books and what not during last 35- 40 years. But what is the harm in discussing any principle / point of astrology. So far members have raised / discussed 17 points, which have been listed in various SOA________ files (lying in file section). From these files you will find that I am incorporating every point or stand of members including my stand too. Your stand will also be included in the concerning files. Thus both sides are being included in these files and not a single argument is being thrown in the pile of msgs. So how you can conclude that I am only pushing my views and formed a view or so. If any astrologer is not well versed to support his stand then it is not my fault. I am open to all and I am regularly inviting astrologers to come forward and may teach us with their stand. You can, and I will say you must and every member of the forum may invite their astrologer friends to have a open exchange of views. And everyone is free to enter in the forum without any permission from the moderator. So how you can conclude that I have formed a view, whereas almost all forums screen every msg and they censure any msg which is not in their tune. Whereas in this forum every one is free to express his views. Now you can go through form various SOA_______ files and " astrology a science or myth " ; and may pickup any point from these files or can open any new point, on which you may like to express your views, as every point is open and remain open for every one. And members have to form their views either in favour or against; it is up to them. I am waiting for your some concrete reasoning on any point and hope to have a vibrant academic discussion. Thanks, Sanat PS : Silent members may please come forward either to invite your friends for pushing their stand or may express their views on any point. Do not afraid, because only by interaction you will be able to improve your stand and we will also be able to know your valuable views. Because you can serve the society by interaction not with silently reading the msg. Even if you are novice, you can come forward because you novice will hold the torch of knowledge in the future to guide the innocents. econ, Ms. Dipika, Krishnamurthy (reg Diabetes), Pradeep (Hyd) may please offer your comments to continue our interaction. Sanat , " Rangarajan Krishnamoorthy " <ranga wrote: > > Dear Mr.Sanat Kumar, > I joined this forum just now since I received an invitation email from > you. It appeared to me from the email and from the title of the forum > that the goal of this forum was to study astrology with an > unprejudiced mind and gather viewpoints as to whether it is or is not > scientific. After reading your reply (below), I am sorry that I was > wrong in my assumptions about this forum. I can see that you have a > categorical view that astrology is not science. This is a prejudicial > view, and coming from the forum founder, does not mean well for > members who might have differing views. > > Thanks for the invitation anyway. > > Regards, > Rangarajan > > , " sanat2221 " > <sanatkumar_jain@> wrote: > > > > Affect of planets > > > > Resp. econ, > > Thanks for your reappearance after a long time, and your msg. > > prompted me to shell out my views on some points : > > >>>>>>>Unfortunately, a subject such as astrology does not mesh well > > with the standard scientific method.<<<<<<< > > No, it is not so. Actually science is a consolidation of latest > > knowledge based on some theories (when it is not proved), based on > > some formulas (when it can be checked with some calculation) and > > based on some principles (which can be proved beyond any doubt with > > latest level of information). But before science every thing was > > covered by myth (which is a stage below from theory). Thus you can > > say that improvement of knowledge of human civilization has to follow > > the route of myth, theory, formula and principle respectively. Thus > > every myth is a principle so long we don't know about any theory, > > formula or principle; or every principle is myth if we came to know > > some fault in the principle after sufficient ancillary knowledge. > > > > Thus predictive astrology, which was based on primitive myth (which > > was actually having the status of principle in primitive age) about > > universe, sun, moon etc.; can not be pushed against our latest level > > of knowledge based on physical principles. Thus when it was an > > accepted principle (now it is myth) in Primitive age that Earth is > > stationary and Sun is nearer then Moon, Constellations are nearer > > then Mercury and so on; and all astrological principles were > > formulated around this the then principle. Then how you can push > > those astrological principles (now myth) in present era when we know > > that Earth is rotating around the Sun, Sun is far away then Moon, > > Const. are not even in our galaxy and so on. Thus every astrological > > principle is now baseless but surviving due to weak self- confidence > > of human-being, business associated with astrology and due to > > advertisement associated with business, psychological correctness of > > any prediction and so on. But how a wave against astrology can > > survive when there is no involvement of business which reduces > > advertisement campaign (like this forum). Thus so long humans with > > weak self confidence and businessman astrologer will be their on the > > Earth no body can save those humans from exploitation by the > > astrologers. Only education and knowledge can save them from being > > cheated. Hence this forum is discussing logically any point relating > > to astrology and trying to inform about the hollow foundation of > > astrology, which I could find after sparing 35-40 years. Thus I am > > not concerned with any result either in favour or against astrology > > or any personal experience. Because some one may have positive views > > but without any logical answer and some one may have opposite views > > but again without any logical answer for their stand. Hence nothing > > can be concluded. But I am concerned with the basic principles ie. > > Lordship, aspect, friendship, exalted, rahu ketu and so on. (You can > > also read a file " Astrology a science or myth " lying in file section, > > which is the building block of predictive astrology. Thus if initial > > information on which whole structure of principles was erected is > > wrong then how end product may be right? > > > > Thus your opinion >>>>>>>>>Anyhow, in my opinion, everything is in > > the natal chart. The proper interpretation depends on the skill of > > the practitioner.<<<<<<< is not correct because natal chart may > > depict the picture of celestial position of the sky (which is > > astronomy and not astrology) but for concluding any result you have > > to rely on basic principles and result as mentioned by the earlier > > astrologers in various books. So where is the question of > > interpretation, when principle is well defined, and combination > > alongwith result is also well mentioned, without any suggestion of > > interpretation? Then how you can say that result is based on skill of > > practitioner. > > > > Regarding >>>>>>>> I hope to be able to interpret future events by > > becoming more adept in astrology.<<<<<<<< I can assure you that you > > or any one will never be able to forecast any thing about the life of > > an individual based on any sort of principles or any other system. At > > the most you can cheat others by claiming that your are a good > > astrologer and can forecast any thing and this can be achieved by any > > forecast which may convince the client psychologically. But remember > > since the birth of astrology there is not a single I repeat not a > > single astrologer in any country, who can forecast any thing adopting > > any principle, except some flukes or intuition (which has noting to > > do with astrology). > > > > I will like to have your logical views and you can also invite your > > personal / net friends to this forum. By the way can you give a > > little introduction about yourself to have a proper image before > > writing? > > Thanks > > Yours truly, > > Sanat > > > > PS. Members may share their views, raise any query on above msg or > > various points being discussed in the forum and lying in various SOA > > files. > > Ms. Dipika ji. Please upload your latest msg regarding Sh Narendra ji > > about election result and Khushwantsingh. This will be useful for our > > members. As every msg is dumped in the pile and it is not possible > > for every member to search such files. > > Silent members may invite their astrologer friends for discussion and > > exchange of views. I am unable to understand as to why they are > > hesitant in sharing their views either in support or in opposition of > > astrology. This forum is only place where you can exchange your views > > without any censorship from moderator. So do not wait for others to > > raise some point. > > > > > > > > -- In , econdude <econ_dude@> > > wrote: > > > > > > My name was raised in a post from yesterday so I thought I would > > make another comment or two. Unfortunately, a subject such as > > astrology does not mesh well with the standard scientific method. > > Science needs to " see " and use the other senses to justify what it > > thinks is real. I am not an expert but I have read of experiments > > that have been done that DEPEND ON THE ADMINISTRATOR - in other > > words, the results of the experiment depend on who has organized and > > conducted the experiment! This is a very weird result, but the > > universe is a weird place. I would say that, perhaps, astrology > > is " real " if you believe it's real. Maybe it depends on each > > individual person! > > > > > > Anyhow, in my opinion, everything is in the natal chart. The > > proper interpretation depends on the skill of the practitioner. I > > have gained insights from my natal chart even though I've only been > > studying astrology for about a year, and I hope to be able to > > interpret future events by becoming more adept in astrology. > > > > > > Best wishes to everyone, whether you think astrology is real, > > bunk, or a little of both. econ > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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