Guest guest Posted May 3, 2008 Report Share Posted May 3, 2008 Resp Dr. Bhashyam Ji, Namaskar, Why you think like " As and when I am able to, I will certainly join the discussion. " Because members can learn astrology from anywhere but this is the only forum where members can freely discuss the principles of astrology. Hence you can also very well discuss or give your opinion on any point. Hope to have your comments on " astrology a science or myth " in file section. From your comments members will take a queue and will come forward. You may also call your other astrologer friends for interaction. Thanks Yours truly, sanat PS: Ms. Dipika Ji, we are not receiving your msg. and comments on various points Sh.Krishnamurthy Ji, I am awaiting your reply on your principle of diabetes for further interaction. Sh. Bala ji, You have not raised any point after Nadishastra. Have you seen the working? Pl. inform me, so that I may now offer my comments as no one has offered their comments. You can share your other experience of astrology too. Econdude : rejoinder on my observation on affect of planets is awaited. Are you satisfied with my observation. Members who are in favour of predictive astrology must come forward with their experience and they may call their personal friends too in this forum. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 3, 2008 Report Share Posted May 3, 2008 Dear Sri Sanatkumar ji, At the outset I would like to bring to your notice that any discussion is possible only when one knows the subject. But what I find from the file section, most of the writers have preconceived projudice for or against Astrology. If we want some healthy discussion on the subject let us chalk out certain plans. For example we may dicuss primary differences between astronomy and astrology viz. Raghu And Kethu, these two are not planets or sattalites, but astrologers give importance to these nodes HOW & WHY Let us hear frm our friendssanat2221 <sanatkumar_jain wrote: Resp Dr. Bhashyam Ji,Namaskar,Why you think like"As and when I am able to, I will certainly join the discussion."Because members can learn astrology from anywhere but this is the only forum where members can freely discuss the principles of astrology. Hence you can also very well discuss or give your opinion on any point. Hope to have your comments on "astrology a science or myth" in file section. From your comments members will take a queue and will come forward. You may also call your other astrologer friends for interaction.ThanksYours truly,sanatPS:Ms. Dipika Ji, we are not receiving your msg. and comments on various pointsSh.Krishnamurthy Ji, I am awaiting your reply on your principle of diabetes for further interaction.Sh. Bala ji, You have not raised any point after Nadishastra. Have you seen the working? Pl. inform me, so that I may now offer my comments as no one has offered their comments. You can share your other experience of astrology too.Econdude : rejoinder on my observation on affect of planets is awaited. Are you satisfied with my observation.Members who are in favour of predictive astrology must come forward with their experience and they may call their personal friends too in this forum. Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Mobile. Try it now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 4, 2008 Report Share Posted May 4, 2008 Dear Ramjee & Sanat Kumar, Astrology is definitely NOT a myth...Increasingly,learned and experienced astrologers ALL over the world have proved this,by their sometimes uncannily correct prognostications,but, under the excuse of " the proofs NOT being 'scientific enough' whatever that may puport to mean " ...the so- called " scientists " have all ganged up,or so it seems,to singularly target astrology...as not being scientific and relegating it to the status of a myth...and malign it... I have had a few occassions to demonstrate to such " Scientific-minded pseudo-intellectuals " ,with the help of the RULING PLANETS...the almost exact time of arrival of their children from school or their servant sent on an errand...etc... but unfortunately they are so FANATIC that the dismiss these as mere coincidences...How more illogical can they get ? Be that as it may,don't you all think that people like Prof. Narlikar or people like him,be drafted in as members inorder to provide strong " so-called scientific arguments " for experienced astrologers to refute LOGICALLY and with " LIVE " examples.? With best wishes, L.Y.Rao. > > Dear Sri Sanatkumar ji, > > > At the outset I would like to bring to your notice that any discussion is possible only when one knows the subject. But what I find from the file section, most of the writers have preconceived projudice for or against Astrology. If we want some healthy discussion on the subject let us chalk out certain plans. For example we may dicuss primary differences between astronomy and astrology viz. Raghu And Kethu, these two are not planets or sattalites, but astrologers give importance to these nodes HOW & WHY > > Let us hear frm our friends > > sanat2221 <sanatkumar_jain wrote: > > > Resp Dr. Bhashyam Ji, > Namaskar, > Why you think like > " As and when I am able to, I will certainly join the discussion. " > Because members can learn astrology from anywhere but this is the > only forum where members can freely discuss the principles of > astrology. Hence you can also very well discuss or give your opinion > on any point. > > Hope to have your comments on " astrology a science or myth " in file > section. From your comments members will take a queue and will come > forward. You may also call your other astrologer friends for > interaction. > > Thanks > Yours truly, > sanat > > PS: > > Ms. Dipika Ji, we are not receiving your msg. and comments on various > points > Sh.Krishnamurthy Ji, I am awaiting your reply on your principle of > diabetes for further interaction. > Sh. Bala ji, You have not raised any point after Nadishastra. Have > you seen the working? Pl. inform me, so that I may now offer my > comments as no one has offered their comments. You can share your > other experience of astrology too. > Econdude : rejoinder on my observation on affect of planets is > awaited. Are you satisfied with my observation. > > Members who are in favour of predictive astrology must come forward > with their experience and they may call their personal friends too in > this forum. > Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Mobile. Try it now. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 5, 2008 Report Share Posted May 5, 2008 Resp. Ramjee, Namaskar, Thanks for your msg. >>>. But what I find from the file section, most of the writers have preconceived projudice for or against Astrology.<<<<<< When some one is writing for or against astrology then at least I am taking him seriously, so long he is offering some solid comments. That's why I am compiling various SOA______ files so that anyone at any time can offer his comments, beside raising any point. I have not yet interfered in the free discussion to give it a set direction except healthy atmosphere. Because it is your forum and you have to raise a point and that point will we transferred to SOA______ files for future reference. Because new members will also join then it will be difficult to back our discussion from square one. Hence I have devised this way where every point is open and new as well as old members are free to offer their comments. >>>>>>we may dicuss primary differences between astronomy and astrology viz. Raghu And Kethu, these two are not planets or sattalites, but astrologers give importance to these nodes HOW & WHY<<<<<< Now you have raised a point about Rahu Ketu. I will offer my comments but let us wait for the valuable comments of the members. We can split your question in following categories for easy linking. Is there any difference between astronomy and astrology? How concept of Rahu and Ketu were devised? What is Rahu or Ketu? They are neither planets nor satellites then why they affect? Members may offer their views on above points. By the way, you (Sh. Ramjee) can also offer your views. Thanks Sanat Members may please continue to offer their views on various points and they are also free to invite their friends who may be interested in interaction. , Ramjee S <s.ramjee wrote: > > Dear Sri Sanatkumar ji, > > > At the outset I would like to bring to your notice that any discussion is possible only when one knows the subject. But what I find from the file section, most of the writers have preconceived projudice for or against Astrology. If we want some healthy discussion on the subject let us chalk out certain plans. For example we may dicuss primary differences between astronomy and astrology viz. Raghu And Kethu, these two are not planets or sattalites, but astrologers give importance to these nodes HOW & WHY > > Let us hear frm our friends > > sanat2221 <sanatkumar_jain wrote: > > > Resp Dr. Bhashyam Ji, > Namaskar, > Why you think like > " As and when I am able to, I will certainly join the discussion. " > Because members can learn astrology from anywhere but this is the > only forum where members can freely discuss the principles of > astrology. Hence you can also very well discuss or give your opinion > on any point. > > Hope to have your comments on " astrology a science or myth " in file > section. From your comments members will take a queue and will come > forward. You may also call your other astrologer friends for > interaction. > > Thanks > Yours truly, > sanat > > PS: > > Ms. Dipika Ji, we are not receiving your msg. and comments on various > points > Sh.Krishnamurthy Ji, I am awaiting your reply on your principle of > diabetes for further interaction. > Sh. Bala ji, You have not raised any point after Nadishastra. Have > you seen the working? Pl. inform me, so that I may now offer my > comments as no one has offered their comments. You can share your > other experience of astrology too. > Econdude : rejoinder on my observation on affect of planets is > awaited. Are you satisfied with my observation. > > Members who are in favour of predictive astrology must come forward > with their experience and they may call their personal friends too in > this forum. > Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Mobile. Try it now. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 5, 2008 Report Share Posted May 5, 2008 Resp. Rao Ji, Namaskar, Thanks for your first msg and hope we will be able to find many more msgs in future. Let us take your first sentence. >>>>> Astrology is definitely NOT a myth.<<<<< I can presume that it is your opinion and experience; and you want to support it with your past demonstration. Suppose one individual (fanatic in your opinion) says that it is coincidence or say it is myth based on his experience; and you stand with your sentence that astrology is not a myth. So where is the conclusion? Actually at this point you both departed from each other without in- depth digging in support of any stand and informing each other about the basics behind any stand. Because, analysis of astrological principles requires a systematic and unbiased approach. But unfortunately we always try to discuss our own experience instead of discussing about the validity or reasonability of astrological principles it-self. You may have seen from past msgs. that how members try to jump from one question to another without sticking to one point for final analysis and conclusion (that's why I have devised the system of SOA_______). This is the tactics used by supporters and point of dispute gets diluted and takes some other direction. But in this forum, which is only one and first too, we are trying to analyze every point related to predictive astrology with discussion and exchange of views till some conclusion may be drawn by the members from SOA__ files. So we come back to your point. With the help of Ruling planet (KP system) you forecasted about the exact time (say any incident). It means whenever that socalled planet will be ruling planet that incident will occur. What do you say? (My next comment is reserved for next msg.) Or we may take it otherwise. Horoscope of an individual is fixed, transit of planet is fixed, principle of ruling planet or dasha etc. is fixed. Thus when ingredients are fixed it means result or forecast or conclusion is also fixed. What do you say? (My next comment is reserved for next msg.) Members are always invited to share their views, because members can learn the astrology from anywhere but can discuss only in this forum. So feel free to share your view, question etc. Sh Rao Ji, will you please like to give some resume about your-self to have a proper image for answering? At least I can forecast that you are a professional astrologer hence I hope to have very strong logic in your support. Thanks, Yours truly, sanat , " L.Y.Rao. " <lyrastro1 wrote: > > Dear Ramjee & Sanat Kumar, > Astrology is definitely NOT a > myth...Increasingly,learned and experienced astrologers ALL over the > world have proved this,by their sometimes uncannily correct > prognostications,but, under the excuse of " the proofs NOT > being 'scientific enough' whatever that may puport to mean " ...the so- > called " scientists " have all ganged up,or so it seems,to singularly > target astrology...as not being scientific and relegating it to the > status of a myth...and malign it... > I have had a few occassions to demonstrate > to such " Scientific-minded pseudo-intellectuals " ,with the help of the > RULING PLANETS...the almost exact time of arrival of their children > from school or their servant sent on an errand...etc... but > unfortunately they are so FANATIC that the dismiss these as mere > coincidences...How more illogical can they get ? > Be that as it may,don't you all think that > people like Prof. Narlikar or people like him,be drafted in as members > inorder to provide strong " so-called scientific arguments " for > experienced astrologers to refute LOGICALLY and with " LIVE " examples.? > With best wishes, > L.Y.Rao. > > > > > Dear Sri Sanatkumar ji, > > > > > > At the outset I would like to > bring to your notice that any discussion is possible only when one > knows the subject. But what I find from the file section, most of the > writers have preconceived projudice for or against Astrology. If we > want some healthy discussion on the subject let us chalk out certain > plans. For example we may dicuss primary differences between > astronomy and astrology viz. Raghu And Kethu, these two are not > planets or sattalites, but astrologers give importance to these nodes > HOW & WHY > > > > Let us hear frm our friends > > > > sanat2221 <sanatkumar_jain@> wrote: > > > > > > Resp Dr. Bhashyam Ji, > > Namaskar, > > Why you think like > > " As and when I am able to, I will certainly join the discussion. " > > Because members can learn astrology from anywhere but this is the > > only forum where members can freely discuss the principles of > > astrology. Hence you can also very well discuss or give your > opinion > > on any point. > > > > Hope to have your comments on " astrology a science or myth " in file > > section. From your comments members will take a queue and will come > > forward. You may also call your other astrologer friends for > > interaction. > > > > Thanks > > Yours truly, > > sanat > > > > PS: > > > > Ms. Dipika Ji, we are not receiving your msg. and comments on > various > > points > > Sh.Krishnamurthy Ji, I am awaiting your reply on your principle of > > diabetes for further interaction. > > Sh. Bala ji, You have not raised any point after Nadishastra. Have > > you seen the working? Pl. inform me, so that I may now offer my > > comments as no one has offered their comments. You can share your > > other experience of astrology too. > > Econdude : rejoinder on my observation on affect of planets is > > awaited. Are you satisfied with my observation. > > > > Members who are in favour of predictive astrology must come forward > > with their experience and they may call their personal friends too > in > > this forum. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Mobile. > Try it now. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 7, 2008 Report Share Posted May 7, 2008 I am adopted and dont know when I was born...I do know where I was born however.. Funny, when I was adopted at age 4 my adoptive parents said that the orphanage told them I was born on August 24th, 1954 which makes me a Virgo. Reading my horoscope for years never made sense. In 1996 my birthmother found me and said she wasn't quite sure..but she remembers me being born around the 17th of June....Now I became a Gemini and actually that made more sense.."2 faces 2 lives"....however I still dont know the time...and I even question that date...so what do I do for an accurate reading? I know this probably sounds so elementary to such educated people as yourselves but I am sure that I am not the only one who has this dilemma. Thank you. Godspeed... WWWondering what's for Dinner Tonight? Get new twists on family favorites at AOL Food. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 7, 2008 Report Share Posted May 7, 2008 Resp. Rao Ji, Namaskar, Thanks for your msg. Though you have praised a lot about your prediction based on KP. Praising your prediction skill is useful in luring your ignorant, innocent clients but here I want to have some serious discussion. You have not answered my earlier points. " " So we come back to your point. With the help of Ruling planet (KP system) you forecasted about the exact time (say any incident). It means whenever that socalled planet will be ruling planet that incident will occur. What do you say? (My next comment is reserved for next msg.) Or we may take it otherwise. Horoscope of an individual is fixed, transit of planet is fixed, principle of ruling planet or dasha etc. is fixed. Thus when ingredients are fixed it means result or forecast or conclusion is also fixed. What do you say? (My next comment is reserved for next msg.) " " I have also studied KP and you can see that I have even fused it along with other principles in Eskain horoscope (available in file section). When you have many RP then it is only a matter of chance to select a planet, sometime, out of 7 planets. Like many other North Indian astrologers or western astrologers you have claimed to forecast a correct incident. But like all other astrologers you are not disclosing the failures of your prediction, which may be 50% or more. Regarding your statement " which had crowned him with unprecedented success and fame " , I will like to say with all my regards to K.S.Krishnamurthiji that fame and success has nothing to do with correctness. You may have seen many famous cheaters too. So forget about the success or fame. We are concerned with analysis of predictive principles. By your statement " RPs at Birth of an individual will also rule the moment of his death. " we can at the most say that it is the magic of astrology (where we see that an egg is coming out from the hat of a magician but how; that we don't know and purchasing that hat in the hope of more eggs). Because there are many RP at the time of birth likewise many RP at the time of death. Hence it is quite natural that out of only 7 planets some planet will match. For any demo any one can easily find matching planets but now where is the prediction. Do you want to say that RP (any one out of many) of birth time will never be RP till death and suddenly it will be RP at the time of death? Can you distinguish a sex of various horoscopes? At the most you can say that time of birth is not correct. But suppose after manipulating time of birth and matching with sex can you forecast time of death based on your RP theory. Concept of KP (lord, sublord etc) is only based on Vinshottary dasha. In VD we used to draw Dasha, antar, prat, sukshm dasha of planets linked with const. and in KP we used reverse process and term them as lord, sublord after linking them with const. So it is not a new concept but a old concept in new shape. So what is your opinion? Is astrology a pudding >>>>>> The proof of the pudding,as they say is in eating it...not discussing how it is made...<<<<<< and not a science? We in the forum is discussing about the preparation of principles and not eating them like blind faith. So you can pickup any `basic' principle of KP like dasha, aspect, exalted, ascendant and so on. Choice is yours with your logical answers and I will like to learn after solving my logical queries. Thus we can be able to improve our skill and knowledge. Remember nothing is personal as you have not formulated the principles of KP. Thanks, Yours truly, Sanat PS : Silent members may please take active part in any interaction with their views. Because only then, they can be able to sharpen their stand and other members may also be benefited. They may take any earlier point too, discussed and mentioned in various SOA_______ files in file section. Other SOA files are in the pipe line. From the various SOA______ files innocent and ignorant members, who are not professional astrologers or blind supporter of predictive astrology, may see that not a single astrologer is coming forward with their logical and scientific explanation. Supporters of predictive astrology may invite their personal friends, friends of other forum to have a open discussion on the principles of astrology. Because they can learn astrology anywhere but its scientific aspect can only be discussed in this forum, where every one with any views is welcome unlike other forums. Krishnamurty Ji, has not provided supplementary information in support of his principle on diabetes. , Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1 wrote: > > Dear Sanat, >                 The Ruling Planets theory is the essence of the late K.S.Krishnamurthiji,which had crowned him with unprecedented success and fame... >                 Briefly, FIVE PLANETS rule any moment of time at any given moment...They are : in order of strength The Star-lord of the Ascendant rising at the moment,it's sign- lord,the Moon's star-lord at that moment,it's sign-lord and the lord of the day...these 5 planets,as per K.P., rule any given moment of time...Later,the sub-lord of the Ascendant and the Moon's sub-lord were also added...making it 7 planets who rule any given moment of Time... >                  In the the same way,Ruling Planets (at Birth),of any living person are determined...and it has been demonstrated on umpteen occasions that these RPs play a definite role in every major event that takes place in the pesons entire life- time... >                   There are many other ways when the RPs play a mysterious role...in fructification of an event,such that one can boldly predict exactly when a particular event will take place,even at what time etc...very accurately,by a K.P. stalwart...and so on... >                   This small little wonderful discovery has made K.P. the most accurate method of prognostication... >                    For example it is now an established fact that the RPs ruling at the start of any endeavour will also rule,though not necessarily in the same order of strength...at the time of accomplishment... >                   The RPs at Birth of an individual will also rule the moment of his death...! This has been verified by KSK and his discples/students in numberless cases... >                   Only K.P. can explain the different careers/professions/structures/sex of each,in the case of twin births...born separated by a few minutes of each other's birth... >                    No other astrological system so far invented can predict this with such accuracy as K.P. can...     >                   I definitely can provide you with a number of my prdeictions which came true to the exact date,as predicted...and every issue of the excellent Magazine K.P. & Astrology, has been publishing and continues to,several correct predictions by students as well as adepts...! >                    The proof of the pudding,as they say is in eating it...not discussing how it is made... ! ! >                   With best wishes and kind regards, >                    L.Y.Rao. >                                                 GOOD LUCK !            >                  > > > > sanat2221 <sanatkumar_jain > > Monday, 5 May, 2008 11:16:07 PM > Re: Astrology : faith or fiction > > > Resp. Rao Ji, > Namaskar, > Thanks for your first msg and hope we will be able to find many more > msgs in future. > > Let us take your first sentence. > >>>>> Astrology is definitely NOT a myth.<<<<< > I can presume that it is your opinion and experience; and you want to > support it with your past demonstration. Suppose one individual > (fanatic in your opinion) says that it is coincidence or say it is > myth based on his experience; and you stand with your sentence that > astrology is not a myth. So where is the conclusion? > > Actually at this point you both departed from each other without in- > depth digging in support of any stand and informing each other about > the basics behind any stand. Because, analysis of astrological > principles requires a systematic and unbiased approach. But > unfortunately we always try to discuss our own experience instead of > discussing about the validity or reasonability of astrological > principles it-self. You may have seen from past msgs. that how > members try to jump from one question to another without sticking to > one point for final analysis and conclusion (that's why I have > devised the system of SOA_______). This is the tactics used by > supporters and point of dispute gets diluted and takes some other > direction. But in this forum, which is only one and first too, we are > trying to analyze every point related to predictive astrology with > discussion and exchange of views till some conclusion may be drawn by > the members from SOA__ files. > > So we come back to your point. With the help of Ruling planet (KP > system) you forecasted about the exact time (say any incident). It > means whenever that socalled planet will be ruling planet that > incident will occur. What do you say? (My next comment is reserved > for next msg.) > > Or we may take it otherwise. Horoscope of an individual is fixed, > transit of planet is fixed, principle of ruling planet or dasha etc. > is fixed. Thus when ingredients are fixed it means result or forecast > or conclusion is also fixed. What do you say? (My next comment is > reserved for next msg.) > > Members are always invited to share their views, because members can > learn the astrology from anywhere but can discuss only in this forum. > So feel free to share your view, question etc. > > Sh Rao Ji, will you please like to give some resume about your-self > to have a proper image for answering? At least I can forecast that > you are a professional astrologer hence I hope to have very strong > logic in your support. > > Thanks, > > Yours truly, > sanat > > , " L.Y.Rao. " <lyrastro1@ ..> > wrote: > > > > Dear Ramjee & Sanat Kumar, > > Astrology is definitely NOT a > > myth...Increasingly ,learned and experienced astrologers ALL over > the > > world have proved this,by their sometimes uncannily correct > > prognostications, but, under the excuse of " the proofs NOT > > being 'scientific enough' whatever that may puport to mean " ...the > so- > > called " scientists " have all ganged up,or so it seems,to singularly > > target astrology... as not being scientific and relegating it to the > > status of a myth...and malign it... > > I have had a few occassions to > demonstrate > > to such " Scientific- minded pseudo-intellectual s " ,with the help of > the > > RULING PLANETS...the almost exact time of arrival of their children > > from school or their servant sent on an errand...etc. .. but > > unfortunately they are so FANATIC that the dismiss these as mere > > coincidences. ..How more illogical can they get ? > > Be that as it may,don't you all think > that > > people like Prof. Narlikar or people like him,be drafted in as > members > > inorder to provide strong " so-called scientific arguments " for > > experienced astrologers to refute LOGICALLY and with " LIVE " > examples.? > > With best wishes, > > L.Y.Rao. > > > > > > > > Dear Sri Sanatkumar ji, > > > > > > > > > At the outset I would like to > > bring to your notice that any discussion is possible only when one > > knows the subject. But what I find from the file section, most of > the > > writers have preconceived projudice for or against Astrology. If we > > want some healthy discussion on the subject let us chalk out > certain > > plans. For example we may dicuss primary differences between > > astronomy and astrology viz. Raghu And Kethu, these two are not > > planets or sattalites, but astrologers give importance to these > nodes > > HOW & WHY > > > > > > Let us hear frm our friends > > > > > > sanat2221 <sanatkumar_ jain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Resp Dr. Bhashyam Ji, > > > Namaskar, > > > Why you think like > > > " As and when I am able to, I will certainly join the discussion. " > > > Because members can learn astrology from anywhere but this is the > > > only forum where members can freely discuss the principles of > > > astrology. Hence you can also very well discuss or give your > > opinion > > > on any point. > > > > > > Hope to have your comments on " astrology a science or myth " in > file > > > section. From your comments members will take a queue and will > come > > > forward. You may also call your other astrologer friends for > > > interaction. > > > > > > Thanks > > > Yours truly, > > > sanat > > > > > > PS: > > > > > > Ms. Dipika Ji, we are not receiving your msg. and comments on > > various > > > points > > > Sh.Krishnamurthy Ji, I am awaiting your reply on your principle > of > > > diabetes for further interaction. > > > Sh. Bala ji, You have not raised any point after Nadishastra. > Have > > > you seen the working? Pl. inform me, so that I may now offer my > > > comments as no one has offered their comments. You can share your > > > other experience of astrology too. > > > Econdude : rejoinder on my observation on affect of planets is > > > awaited. Are you satisfied with my observation. > > > > > > Members who are in favour of predictive astrology must come > forward > > > with their experience and they may call their personal friends > too > > in > > > this forum. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --- > > > Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with > Mobile. > > Try it now. > > > > > > > > > > From Chandigarh to Chennai - find friends all over India. Go to http://in.promos./groups/citygroups/ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 8, 2008 Report Share Posted May 8, 2008 Dear Sanat, As one Mormon said to another..." thy mother shall bite thee from under the table"...! In other words you are trying to get bitchy...while pretending that you know a lot about astrology...Sanat you do not know even the BASICS,atleast of K.P.,and any explanations are surely BEYOND your severely limited comprehension... If at all you want to enter into serious discussions,first read the 6 readers of KP., and then let us discuss to your heart's content...you seem to be itching for a "showdown" ? If so you had better come premared...a kindergarten student trying to discuss an intricate subject like astrology is most ridiculous... Grow up and stop behaving like a spoilt kid...better still fet some psychiatric help,to help you get over your severe inferiority complex...! Every assumption you've made IS WRONG... Study K.P., till such time,pl. do not undress yourself in public or get undressed in public... This advice is meant for Deepika and Sheetal also who it seems are in cahoots with you... L.Y.Rao. sanat2221 <sanatkumar_jain Sent: Wednesday, 7 May, 2008 11:20:36 PM Re: Astrology : faith or fiction Resp. Rao Ji,Namaskar,Thanks for your msg.Though you have praised a lot about your prediction based on KP. Praising your prediction skill is useful in luring your ignorant, innocent clients but here I want to have some serious discussion. You have not answered my earlier points.""So we come back to your point. With the help of Ruling planet (KP system) you forecasted about the exact time (say any incident). It means whenever that socalled planet will be ruling planet that incident will occur. What do you say? (My next comment is reserved for next msg.)Or we may take it otherwise. Horoscope of an individual is fixed, transit of planet is fixed, principle of ruling planet or dasha etc. is fixed. Thus when ingredients are fixed it means result or forecast or conclusion is also fixed. What do you say? (My next comment is reserved for next msg.)""I have also studied KP and you can see that I have even fused it along with other principles in Eskain horoscope (available in file section).When you have many RP then it is only a matter of chance to select a planet, sometime, out of 7 planets. Like many other North Indian astrologers or western astrologers you have claimed to forecast a correct incident. But like all other astrologers you are not disclosing the failures of your prediction, which may be 50% or more.Regarding your statement "which had crowned him with unprecedented success and fame", I will like to say with all my regards to K.S.Krishnamurthiji that fame and success has nothing to do with correctness. You may have seen many famous cheaters too. So forget about the success or fame. We are concerned with analysis of predictive principles.By your statement "RPs at Birth of an individual will also rule the moment of his death." we can at the most say that it is the magic of astrology (where we see that an egg is coming out from the hat of a magician but how; that we don't know and purchasing that hat in the hope of more eggs). Because there are many RP at the time of birth likewise many RP at the time of death. Hence it is quite natural that out of only 7 planets some planet will match. For any demo any one can easily find matching planets but now where is the prediction. Do you want to say that RP (any one out of many) of birth time will never be RP till death and suddenly it will be RP at the time of death? Can you distinguish a sex of various horoscopes? At the most you can say that time of birth is not correct. But suppose after manipulating time of birth and matching with sex can you forecast time of death based on your RP theory.Concept of KP (lord, sublord etc) is only based on Vinshottary dasha. In VD we used to draw Dasha, antar, prat, sukshm dasha of planets linked with const. and in KP we used reverse process and term them as lord, sublord after linking them with const. So it is not a new concept but a old concept in new shape.So what is your opinion? Is astrology a pudding >>>>>> The proof of the pudding,as they say is in eating it...not discussing how it is made...<<<<< < and not a science?We in the forum is discussing about the preparation of principles and not eating them like blind faith.So you can pickup any `basic' principle of KP like dasha, aspect, exalted, ascendant and so on. Choice is yours with your logical answers and I will like to learn after solving my logical queries. Thus we can be able to improve our skill and knowledge. Remember nothing is personal as you have not formulated the principles of KP.Thanks,Yours truly,SanatPS : Silent members may please take active part in any interaction with their views. Because only then, they can be able to sharpen their stand and other members may also be benefited. They may take any earlier point too, discussed and mentioned in various SOA_______ files in file section. Other SOA files are in the pipe line.From the various SOA______ files innocent and ignorant members, who are not professional astrologers or blind supporter of predictive astrology, may see that not a single astrologer is coming forward with their logical and scientific explanation. Supporters of predictive astrology may invite their personal friends, friends of other forum to have a open discussion on the principles of astrology. Because they can learn astrology anywhere but its scientific aspect can only be discussed in this forum, where every one with any views is welcome unlike other forums.Krishnamurty Ji, has not provided supplementary information in support of his principle on diabetes. , Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1@. ..> wrote:>> Dear Sanat,>                 The Ruling Planets theory is the essence of the late K.S.Krishnamurthiji ,which had crowned him with unprecedented success and fame...>                 Briefly, FIVE PLANETS rule any moment of time at any given moment...They are : in order of strength The Star-lord of the Ascendant rising at the moment,it's sign-lord,the Moon's star-lord at that moment,it's sign-lord and the lord of the day...these 5 planets,as per K.P., rule any given moment of time...Later, the sub-lord of the Ascendant and the Moon's sub-lord were also added...making it 7 planets who rule any given moment of Time...>                  In the the same way,Ruling Planets (at Birth),of any living person are determined.. .and it has been demonstrated on umpteen occasions that these RPs play a definite role in every major event that takes place in the pesons entire life-time...>                   There are many other ways when the RPs play a mysterious role...in fructification of an event,such that one can boldly predict exactly when a particular event will take place,even at what time etc...very accurately,by a K.P. stalwart...and so on...>                   This small little wonderful discovery has made K.P. the most accurate method of prognostication. ..>                    For example it is now an established fact that the RPs ruling at the start of any endeavour will also rule,though not necessarily in the same order of strength...at the time of accomplishment. ..>                   The RPs at Birth of an individual will also rule the moment of his death...! This has been verified by KSK and his discples/students in numberless cases...>                   Only K.P. can explain the different careers/professions /structures/ sex of each,in the case of twin births...born separated by a few minutes of each other's birth...>                    No other astrological system so far invented can predict this with such accuracy as K.P. can...     >                   I definitely can provide you with a number of my prdeictions which came true to the exact date,as predicted... and every issue of the excellent Magazine K.P. & Astrology, has been publishing and continues to,several correct predictions by students as well as adepts...! >                    The proof of the pudding,as they say is in eating it...not discussing how it is made... ! ! >                   With best wishes and kind regards,>                    L.Y.Rao. >                                                 GOOD LUCK !            >                  > > > > sanat2221 <sanatkumar_ jain> > Monday, 5 May, 2008 11:16:07 PM> Re: Astrology : faith or fiction> > > Resp. Rao Ji,> Namaskar,> Thanks for your first msg and hope we will be able to find many more > msgs in future.> > Let us take your first sentence.> >>>>> Astrology is definitely NOT a myth.<<<<<> I can presume that it is your opinion and experience; and you want to > support it with your past demonstration. Suppose one individual > (fanatic in your opinion) says that it is coincidence or say it is > myth based on his experience; and you stand with your sentence that > astrology is not a myth. So where is the conclusion?> > Actually at this point you both departed from each other without in-> depth digging in support of any stand and informing each other about > the basics behind any stand. Because, analysis of astrological > principles requires a systematic and unbiased approach. But > unfortunately we always try to discuss our own experience instead of > discussing about the validity or reasonability of astrological > principles it-self. You may have seen from past msgs. that how > members try to jump from one question to another without sticking to > one point for final analysis and conclusion (that's why I have > devised the system of SOA_______). This is the tactics used by > supporters and point of dispute gets diluted and takes some other > direction. But in this forum, which is only one and first too, we are > trying to analyze every point related to predictive astrology with > discussion and exchange of views till some conclusion may be drawn by > the members from SOA__ files.> > So we come back to your point. With the help of Ruling planet (KP > system) you forecasted about the exact time (say any incident). It > means whenever that socalled planet will be ruling planet that > incident will occur. What do you say? (My next comment is reserved > for next msg.)> > Or we may take it otherwise. Horoscope of an individual is fixed, > transit of planet is fixed, principle of ruling planet or dasha etc. > is fixed. Thus when ingredients are fixed it means result or forecast > or conclusion is also fixed. What do you say? (My next comment is > reserved for next msg.)> > Members are always invited to share their views, because members can > learn the astrology from anywhere but can discuss only in this forum. > So feel free to share your view, question etc.> > Sh Rao Ji, will you please like to give some resume about your-self > to have a proper image for answering? At least I can forecast that > you are a professional astrologer hence I hope to have very strong > logic in your support.> > Thanks,> > Yours truly,> sanat> > , "L.Y.Rao." <lyrastro1@ ..> > wrote:> >> > Dear Ramjee & Sanat Kumar,> > Astrology is definitely NOT a > > myth...Increasingly ,learned and experienced astrologers ALL over > the > > world have proved this,by their sometimes uncannily correct > > prognostications, but, under the excuse of "the proofs NOT > > being 'scientific enough' whatever that may puport to mean"...the > so-> > called "scientists" have all ganged up,or so it seems,to singularly > > target astrology... as not being scientific and relegating it to the > > status of a myth...and malign it...> > I have had a few occassions to > demonstrate > > to such "Scientific- minded pseudo-intellectual s",with the help of > the > > RULING PLANETS...the almost exact time of arrival of their children > > from school or their servant sent on an errand...etc. .. but > > unfortunately they are so FANATIC that the dismiss these as mere > > coincidences. ..How more illogical can they get ?> > Be that as it may,don't you all think > that > > people like Prof. Narlikar or people like him,be drafted in as > members> > inorder to provide strong "so-called scientific arguments" for > > experienced astrologers to refute LOGICALLY and with "LIVE" > examples.?> > With best wishes,> > L.Y.Rao.> > > > >> > > Dear Sri Sanatkumar ji,> > > > > > > > > At the outset I would like to > > bring to your notice that any discussion is possible only when one > > knows the subject. But what I find from the file section, most of > the > > writers have preconceived projudice for or against Astrology. If we > > want some healthy discussion on the subject let us chalk out > certain > > plans. For example we may dicuss primary differences between > > astronomy and astrology viz. Raghu And Kethu, these two are not > > planets or sattalites, but astrologers give importance to these > nodes > > HOW & WHY> > > > > > Let us hear frm our friends> > > > > > sanat2221 <sanatkumar_ jain@> wrote:> > > > > > > > > Resp Dr. Bhashyam Ji,> > > Namaskar,> > > Why you think like> > > "As and when I am able to, I will certainly join the discussion."> > > Because members can learn astrology from anywhere but this is the > > > only forum where members can freely discuss the principles of > > > astrology. Hence you can also very well discuss or give your > > opinion > > > on any point. > > > > > > Hope to have your comments on "astrology a science or myth" in > file > > > section. From your comments members will take a queue and will > come > > > forward. You may also call your other astrologer friends for > > > interaction.> > > > > > Thanks> > > Yours truly,> > > sanat> > > > > > PS:> > > > > > Ms. Dipika Ji, we are not receiving your msg. and comments on > > various > > > points> > > Sh.Krishnamurthy Ji, I am awaiting your reply on your principle > of > > > diabetes for further interaction.> > > Sh. Bala ji, You have not raised any point after Nadishastra. > Have > > > you seen the working? Pl. inform me, so that I may now offer my > > > comments as no one has offered their comments. You can share your > > > other experience of astrology too.> > > Econdude : rejoinder on my observation on affect of planets is > > > awaited. Are you satisfied with my observation.> > > > > > Members who are in favour of predictive astrology must come > forward > > > with their experience and they may call their personal friends > too > > in > > > this forum.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ---> > > Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with > Mobile. > > Try it now.> > >> >> > > > > From Chandigarh to Chennai - find friends all over India. Go to http://in.promos. / groups/citygroup s/> From Chandigarh to Chennai - find friends all over India. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 8, 2008 Report Share Posted May 8, 2008 ----- Forwarded Message ----Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1 Sent: Thursday, 8 May, 2 Dear Sanat, As one Mormon said to another..." thy mother shall bite thee from under the table"...! In other words you are trying to get bitchy...while pretending that you know a lot about astrology... Sanat you do not know even the BASICS,atleast of K.P.,and any explanations are surely BEYOND your severely limited comprehension. .. If at all you want to enter into serious discussions, first read the 6 readers of KP., and then let us discuss to your heart's content...you seem to be itching for a "showdown" ? If so you had better come premared...a kindergarten student trying to discuss an intricate subject like astrology is most ridiculous.. . Grow up and stop behaving like a spoilt kid...better still fet some psychiatric help,to help you get over your severe inferiority complex...! Every assumption you've made IS WRONG... Study K.P., till such time,pl. do not undress yourself in public or get undressed in public... This advice is meant for Deepika and Sheetal also who it seems are in cahoots with you... L.Y.Rao. sanat2221 <sanatkumar_jain@ rediffmail. com>Wednesday, 7 May, 2008 11:20:36 PM Re: Astrology : faith or fiction Resp. Rao Ji,Namaskar,Thanks for your msg.Though you have praised a lot about your prediction based on KP. Praising your prediction skill is useful in luring your ignorant, innocent clients but here I want to have some serious discussion. You have not answered my earlier points.""So we come back to your point. With the help of Ruling planet (KP system) you forecasted about the exact time (say any incident). It means whenever that socalled planet will be ruling planet that incident will occur. What do you say? (My next comment is reserved for next msg.)Or we may take it otherwise. Horoscope of an individual is fixed, transit of planet is fixed, principle of ruling planet or dasha etc. is fixed. Thus when ingredients are fixed it means result or forecast or conclusion is also fixed. What do you say? (My next comment is reserved for next msg.)""I have also studied KP and you can see that I have even fused it along with other principles in Eskain horoscope (available in file section).When you have many RP then it is only a matter of chance to select a planet, sometime, out of 7 planets. Like many other North Indian astrologers or western astrologers you have claimed to forecast a correct incident. But like all other astrologers you are not disclosing the failures of your prediction, which may be 50% or more.Regarding your statement "which had crowned him with unprecedented success and fame", I will like to say with all my regards to K.S.Krishnamurthiji that fame and success has nothing to do with correctness. You may have seen many famous cheaters too. So forget about the success or fame. We are concerned with analysis of predictive principles.By your statement "RPs at Birth of an individual will also rule the moment of his death." we can at the most say that it is the magic of astrology (where we see that an egg is coming out from the hat of a magician but how; that we don't know and purchasing that hat in the hope of more eggs). Because there are many RP at the time of birth likewise many RP at the time of death. Hence it is quite natural that out of only 7 planets some planet will match. For any demo any one can easily find matching planets but now where is the prediction. Do you want to say that RP (any one out of many) of birth time will never be RP till death and suddenly it will be RP at the time of death? Can you distinguish a sex of various horoscopes? At the most you can say that time of birth is not correct. But suppose after manipulating time of birth and matching with sex can you forecast time of death based on your RP theory.Concept of KP (lord, sublord etc) is only based on Vinshottary dasha. In VD we used to draw Dasha, antar, prat, sukshm dasha of planets linked with const. and in KP we used reverse process and term them as lord, sublord after linking them with const. So it is not a new concept but a old concept in new shape.So what is your opinion? Is astrology a pudding >>>>>> The proof of the pudding,as they say is in eating it...not discussing how it is made...<<<<< < and not a science?We in the forum is discussing about the preparation of principles and not eating them like blind faith.So you can pickup any `basic' principle of KP like dasha, aspect, exalted, ascendant and so on. Choice is yours with your logical answers and I will like to learn after solving my logical queries. Thus we can be able to improve our skill and knowledge. Remember nothing is personal as you have not formulated the principles of KP.Thanks,Yours truly,SanatPS : Silent members may please take active part in any interaction with their views. Because only then, they can be able to sharpen their stand and other members may also be benefited. They may take any earlier point too, discussed and mentioned in various SOA_______ files in file section. Other SOA files are in the pipe line.From the various SOA______ files innocent and ignorant members, who are not professional astrologers or blind supporter of predictive astrology, may see that not a single astrologer is coming forward with their logical and scientific explanation. Supporters of predictive astrology may invite their personal friends, friends of other forum to have a open discussion on the principles of astrology. Because they can learn astrology anywhere but its scientific aspect can only be discussed in this forum, where every one with any views is welcome unlike other forums.Krishnamurty Ji, has not provided supplementary information in support of his principle on diabetes. , Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1@. ..> wrote:>> Dear Sanat,>                 The Ruling Planets theory is the essence of the late K.S.Krishnamurthiji ,which had crowned him with unprecedented success and fame...>                 Briefly, FIVE PLANETS rule any moment of time at any given moment...They are : in order of strength The Star-lord of the Ascendant rising at the moment,it's sign-lord,the Moon's star-lord at that moment,it's sign-lord and the lord of the day...these 5 planets,as per K.P., rule any given moment of time...Later, the sub-lord of the Ascendant and the Moon's sub-lord were also added...making it 7 planets who rule any given moment of Time...>                  In the the same way,Ruling Planets (at Birth),of any living person are determined.. .and it has been demonstrated on umpteen occasions that these RPs play a definite role in every major event that takes place in the pesons entire life-time...>                   There are many other ways when the RPs play a mysterious role...in fructification of an event,such that one can boldly predict exactly when a particular event will take place,even at what time etc...very accurately,by a K.P. stalwart...and so on...>                   This small little wonderful discovery has made K.P. the most accurate method of prognostication. ..>                    For example it is now an established fact that the RPs ruling at the start of any endeavour will also rule,though not necessarily in the same order of strength...at the time of accomplishment. ..>                   The RPs at Birth of an individual will also rule the moment of his death...! This has been verified by KSK and his discples/students in numberless cases....>                   Only K.P. can explain the different careers/professions /structures/ sex of each,in the case of twin births...born separated by a few minutes of each other's birth...>                    No other astrological system so far invented can predict this with such accuracy as K.P. can...     >                   I definitely can provide you with a number of my prdeictions which came true to the exact date,as predicted... and every issue of the excellent Magazine K.P. & Astrology, has been publishing and continues to,several correct predictions by students as well as adepts...! >                    The proof of the pudding,as they say is in eating it...not discussing how it is made.... ! ! >                   With best wishes and kind regards,>                    L.Y.Rao. >                                                 GOOD LUCK !            >                  > > > > sanat2221 <sanatkumar_ jain> > Monday, 5 May, 2008 11:16:07 PM> Re: Astrology : faith or fiction> > > Resp. Rao Ji,> Namaskar,> Thanks for your first msg and hope we will be able to find many more > msgs in future.> > Let us take your first sentence.> >>>>> Astrology is definitely NOT a myth.<<<<<> I can presume that it is your opinion and experience; and you want to > support it with your past demonstration. Suppose one individual > (fanatic in your opinion) says that it is coincidence or say it is > myth based on his experience; and you stand with your sentence that > astrology is not a myth. So where is the conclusion?> > Actually at this point you both departed from each other without in-> depth digging in support of any stand and informing each other about > the basics behind any stand. Because, analysis of astrological > principles requires a systematic and unbiased approach. But > unfortunately we always try to discuss our own experience instead of > discussing about the validity or reasonability of astrological > principles it-self. You may have seen from past msgs. that how > members try to jump from one question to another without sticking to > one point for final analysis and conclusion (that's why I have > devised the system of SOA_______). This is the tactics used by > supporters and point of dispute gets diluted and takes some other > direction. But in this forum, which is only one and first too, we are > trying to analyze every point related to predictive astrology with > discussion and exchange of views till some conclusion may be drawn by > the members from SOA__ files.> > So we come back to your point. With the help of Ruling planet (KP > system) you forecasted about the exact time (say any incident). It > means whenever that socalled planet will be ruling planet that > incident will occur. What do you say? (My next comment is reserved > for next msg.)> > Or we may take it otherwise. Horoscope of an individual is fixed, > transit of planet is fixed, principle of ruling planet or dasha etc. > is fixed. Thus when ingredients are fixed it means result or forecast > or conclusion is also fixed. What do you say? (My next comment is > reserved for next msg.)> > Members are always invited to share their views, because members can > learn the astrology from anywhere but can discuss only in this forum. > So feel free to share your view, question etc.> > Sh Rao Ji, will you please like to give some resume about your-self > to have a proper image for answering? At least I can forecast that > you are a professional astrologer hence I hope to have very strong > logic in your support.> > Thanks,> > Yours truly,> sanat> > , "L.Y.Rao." <lyrastro1@ ..> > wrote:> >> > Dear Ramjee & Sanat Kumar,> > Astrology is definitely NOT a > > myth...Increasingly ,learned and experienced astrologers ALL over > the > > world have proved this,by their sometimes uncannily correct > > prognostications, but, under the excuse of "the proofs NOT > > being 'scientific enough' whatever that may puport to mean"...the > so-> > called "scientists" have all ganged up,or so it seems,to singularly > > target astrology.... as not being scientific and relegating it to the > > status of a myth...and malign it...> > I have had a few occassions to > demonstrate > > to such "Scientific- minded pseudo-intellectual s",with the help of > the > > RULING PLANETS...the almost exact time of arrival of their children > > from school or their servant sent on an errand...etc. .. but > > unfortunately they are so FANATIC that the dismiss these as mere > > coincidences. ..How more illogical can they get ?> > Be that as it may,don't you all think > that > > people like Prof.. Narlikar or people like him,be drafted in as > members> > inorder to provide strong "so-called scientific arguments" for > > experienced astrologers to refute LOGICALLY and with "LIVE" > examples.?> > With best wishes,> > L.Y.Rao.> > > > >> > > Dear Sri Sanatkumar ji,> > > > > > > > > At the outset I would like to > > bring to your notice that any discussion is possible only when one > > knows the subject. But what I find from the file section, most of > the > > writers have preconceived projudice for or against Astrology. If we > > want some healthy discussion on the subject let us chalk out > certain > > plans. For example we may dicuss primary differences between > > astronomy and astrology viz. Raghu And Kethu, these two are not > > planets or sattalites, but astrologers give importance to these > nodes > > HOW & WHY> > > > > > Let us hear frm our friends> > > > > > sanat2221 <sanatkumar_ jain@> wrote:> > > > > > > > > Resp Dr. Bhashyam Ji,> > > Namaskar,> > > Why you think like> > > "As and when I am able to, I will certainly join the discussion."> > > Because members can learn astrology from anywhere but this is the > > > only forum where members can freely discuss the principles of > > > astrology. Hence you can also very well discuss or give your > > opinion > > > on any point. > > > > > > Hope to have your comments on "astrology a science or myth" in > file > > > section. From your comments members will take a queue and will > come > > > forward. You may also call your other astrologer friends for > > > interaction.> > > > > > Thanks> > > Yours truly,> > > sanat> > > > > > PS:> > > > > > Ms. Dipika Ji, we are not receiving your msg. and comments on > > various > > > points> > > Sh.Krishnamurthy Ji, I am awaiting your reply on your principle > of > > > diabetes for further interaction.> > > Sh. Bala ji, You have not raised any point after Nadishastra. > Have > > > you seen the working? Pl. inform me, so that I may now offer my > > > comments as no one has offered their comments. You can share your > > > other experience of astrology too.> > > Econdude : rejoinder on my observation on affect of planets is > > > awaited. Are you satisfied with my observation.> > > > > > Members who are in favour of predictive astrology must come > forward > > > with their experience and they may call their personal friends > too > > in > > > this forum.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ---> > > Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with > Mobile. > > Try it now.> > >> >> > > > > From Chandigarh to Chennai - find friends all over India. Go to http://in.promos. / groups/citygroup s/> From Chandigarh to Chennai - find friends all over India. Best Jokes, Best Friends, Best Food. Get all this and more on Best of . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 8, 2008 Report Share Posted May 8, 2008 As far as I know knowledge teaches humility, patience, tolerance,understanding etc.This is the basic premise of education where those endowed with knowledge volunteer to impart knowledge to those devoid of it . Possibly possibly astrology is beyond all these mundane matters of and is not for the less mortals.It is the close preserve of selected few chosen fortunate ones.Any one trying to intrude the privacy will be rebuffed and unceremoniously booted out.Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1 wrote: Dear Sanat, As one Mormon said to another..." thy mother shall bite thee from under the table"...! In other words you are trying to get bitchy...while pretending that you know a lot about astrology...Sanat you do not know even the BASICS,atleast of K.P.,and any explanations are surely BEYOND your severely limited comprehension... If at all you want to enter into serious discussions,first read the 6 readers of KP., and then let us discuss to your heart's content...you seem to be itching for a "showdown" ? If so you had better come premared...a kindergarten student trying to discuss an intricate subject like astrology is most ridiculous... Grow up and stop behaving like a spoilt kid...better still fet some psychiatric help,to help you get over your severe inferiority complex...! Every assumption you've made IS WRONG... Study K.P., till such time,pl. do not undress yourself in public or get undressed in public... This advice is meant for Deepika and Sheetal also who it seems are in cahoots with you... L.Y.Rao. sanat2221 <sanatkumar_jain (AT) rediffmail (DOT) com> Sent: Wednesday, 7 May, 2008 11:20:36 PM Re: Astrology : faith or fiction Resp. Rao Ji,Namaskar,Thanks for your msg.Though you have praised a lot about your prediction based on KP. Praising your prediction skill is useful in luring your ignorant, innocent clients but here I want to have some serious discussion. You have not answered my earlier points.""So we come back to your point. With the help of Ruling planet (KP system) you forecasted about the exact time (say any incident). It means whenever that socalled planet will be ruling planet that incident will occur. What do you say? (My next comment is reserved for next msg.)Or we may take it otherwise. Horoscope of an individual is fixed, transit of planet is fixed, principle of ruling planet or dasha etc. is fixed. Thus when ingredients are fixed it means result or forecast or conclusion is also fixed. What do you say? (My next comment is reserved for next msg.)""I have also studied KP and you can see that I have even fused it along with other principles in Eskain horoscope (available in file section).When you have many RP then it is only a matter of chance to select a planet, sometime, out of 7 planets. Like many other North Indian astrologers or western astrologers you have claimed to forecast a correct incident. But like all other astrologers you are not disclosing the failures of your prediction, which may be 50% or more.Regarding your statement "which had crowned him with unprecedented success and fame", I will like to say with all my regards to K.S.Krishnamurthiji that fame and success has nothing to do with correctness. You may have seen many famous cheaters too. So forget about the success or fame. We are concerned with analysis of predictive principles.By your statement "RPs at Birth of an individual will also rule the moment of his death." we can at the most say that it is the magic of astrology (where we see that an egg is coming out from the hat of a magician but how; that we don't know and purchasing that hat in the hope of more eggs). Because there are many RP at the time of birth likewise many RP at the time of death. Hence it is quite natural that out of only 7 planets some planet will match. For any demo any one can easily find matching planets but now where is the prediction. Do you want to say that RP (any one out of many) of birth time will never be RP till death and suddenly it will be RP at the time of death? Can you distinguish a sex of various horoscopes? At the most you can say that time of birth is not correct. But suppose after manipulating time of birth and matching with sex can you forecast time of death based on your RP theory.Concept of KP (lord, sublord etc) is only based on Vinshottary dasha. In VD we used to draw Dasha, antar, prat, sukshm dasha of planets linked with const. and in KP we used reverse process and term them as lord, sublord after linking them with const. So it is not a new concept but a old concept in new shape.So what is your opinion? Is astrology a pudding >>>>>> The proof of the pudding,as they say is in eating it...not discussing how it is made...<<<<< < and not a science?We in the forum is discussing about the preparation of principles and not eating them like blind faith.So you can pickup any `basic' principle of KP like dasha, aspect, exalted, ascendant and so on. Choice is yours with your logical answers and I will like to learn after solving my logical queries. Thus we can be able to improve our skill and knowledge. Remember nothing is personal as you have not formulated the principles of KP.Thanks,Yours truly,SanatPS : Silent members may please take active part in any interaction with their views. Because only then, they can be able to sharpen their stand and other members may also be benefited. They may take any earlier point too, discussed and mentioned in various SOA_______ files in file section. Other SOA files are in the pipe line.From the various SOA______ files innocent and ignorant members, who are not professional astrologers or blind supporter of predictive astrology, may see that not a single astrologer is coming forward with their logical and scientific explanation. Supporters of predictive astrology may invite their personal friends, friends of other forum to have a open discussion on the principles of astrology. Because they can learn astrology anywhere but its scientific aspect can only be discussed in this forum, where every one with any views is welcome unlike other forums.Krishnamurty Ji, has not provided supplementary information in support of his principle on diabetes. , Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1@. ..> wrote:>> Dear Sanat,>                 The Ruling Planets theory is the essence of the late K.S.Krishnamurthiji ,which had crowned him with unprecedented success and fame...>                 Briefly, FIVE PLANETS rule any moment of time at any given moment...They are : in order of strength The Star-lord of the Ascendant rising at the moment,it's sign-lord,the Moon's star-lord at that moment,it's sign-lord and the lord of the day...these 5 planets,as per K.P., rule any given moment of time...Later, the sub-lord of the Ascendant and the Moon's sub-lord were also added...making it 7 planets who rule any given moment of Time...>                  In the the same way,Ruling Planets (at Birth),of any living person are determined.. .and it has been demonstrated on umpteen occasions that these RPs play a definite role in every major event that takes place in the pesons entire life-time...>                   There are many other ways when the RPs play a mysterious role...in fructification of an event,such that one can boldly predict exactly when a particular event will take place,even at what time etc...very accurately,by a K.P. stalwart...and so on...>                   This small little wonderful discovery has made K.P. the most accurate method of prognostication. ..>                    For example it is now an established fact that the RPs ruling at the start of any endeavour will also rule,though not necessarily in the same order of strength...at the time of accomplishment. ..>                   The RPs at Birth of an individual will also rule the moment of his death...! This has been verified by KSK and his discples/students in numberless cases...>                   Only K.P. can explain the different careers/professions /structures/ sex of each,in the case of twin births...born separated by a few minutes of each other's birth...>                    No other astrological system so far invented can predict this with such accuracy as K.P. can...     >                   I definitely can provide you with a number of my prdeictions which came true to the exact date,as predicted... and every issue of the excellent Magazine K.P. & Astrology, has been publishing and continues to,several correct predictions by students as well as adepts...! >                    The proof of the pudding,as they say is in eating it...not discussing how it is made... ! ! >                   With best wishes and kind regards,>                    L.Y.Rao. >                                                 GOOD LUCK !            >                  > > > ----- Original Message ----> sanat2221 <sanatkumar_ jain> > Monday, 5 May, 2008 11:16:07 PM> Re: Astrology : faith or fiction> > > Resp. Rao Ji,> Namaskar,> Thanks for your first msg and hope we will be able to find many more > msgs in future.> > Let us take your first sentence.> >>>>> Astrology is definitely NOT a myth.<<<<<> I can presume that it is your opinion and experience; and you want to > support it with your past demonstration. Suppose one individual > (fanatic in your opinion) says that it is coincidence or say it is > myth based on his experience; and you stand with your sentence that > astrology is not a myth. So where is the conclusion?> > Actually at this point you both departed from each other without in-> depth digging in support of any stand and informing each other about > the basics behind any stand. Because, analysis of astrological > principles requires a systematic and unbiased approach. But > unfortunately we always try to discuss our own experience instead of > discussing about the validity or reasonability of astrological > principles it-self. You may have seen from past msgs. that how > members try to jump from one question to another without sticking to > one point for final analysis and conclusion (that's why I have > devised the system of SOA_______). This is the tactics used by > supporters and point of dispute gets diluted and takes some other > direction. But in this forum, which is only one and first too, we are > trying to analyze every point related to predictive astrology with > discussion and exchange of views till some conclusion may be drawn by > the members from SOA__ files.> > So we come back to your point. With the help of Ruling planet (KP > system) you forecasted about the exact time (say any incident). It > means whenever that socalled planet will be ruling planet that > incident will occur. What do you say? (My next comment is reserved > for next msg.)> > Or we may take it otherwise. Horoscope of an individual is fixed, > transit of planet is fixed, principle of ruling planet or dasha etc. > is fixed. Thus when ingredients are fixed it means result or forecast > or conclusion is also fixed. What do you say? (My next comment is > reserved for next msg.)> > Members are always invited to share their views, because members can > learn the astrology from anywhere but can discuss only in this forum. > So feel free to share your view, question etc.> > Sh Rao Ji, will you please like to give some resume about your-self > to have a proper image for answering? At least I can forecast that > you are a professional astrologer hence I hope to have very strong > logic in your support.> > Thanks,> > Yours truly,> sanat> > , "L.Y.Rao." <lyrastro1@ ..> > wrote:> >> > Dear Ramjee & Sanat Kumar,> > Astrology is definitely NOT a > > myth...Increasingly ,learned and experienced astrologers ALL over > the > > world have proved this,by their sometimes uncannily correct > > prognostications, but, under the excuse of "the proofs NOT > > being 'scientific enough' whatever that may puport to mean"...the > so-> > called "scientists" have all ganged up,or so it seems,to singularly > > target astrology... as not being scientific and relegating it to the > > status of a myth...and malign it...> > I have had a few occassions to > demonstrate > > to such "Scientific- minded pseudo-intellectual s",with the help of > the > > RULING PLANETS...the almost exact time of arrival of their children > > from school or their servant sent on an errand...etc. .. but > > unfortunately they are so FANATIC that the dismiss these as mere > > coincidences. ..How more illogical can they get ?> > Be that as it may,don't you all think > that > > people like Prof. Narlikar or people like him,be drafted in as > members> > inorder to provide strong "so-called scientific arguments" for > > experienced astrologers to refute LOGICALLY and with "LIVE" > examples.?> > With best wishes,> > L.Y.Rao.> > > > >> > > Dear Sri Sanatkumar ji,> > > > > > > > > At the outset I would like to > > bring to your notice that any discussion is possible only when one > > knows the subject. But what I find from the file section, most of > the > > writers have preconceived projudice for or against Astrology. If we > > want some healthy discussion on the subject let us chalk out > certain > > plans. For example we may dicuss primary differences between > > astronomy and astrology viz. Raghu And Kethu, these two are not > > planets or sattalites, but astrologers give importance to these > nodes > > HOW & WHY> > > > > > Let us hear frm our friends> > > > > > sanat2221 <sanatkumar_ jain@> wrote:> > > > > > > > > Resp Dr. Bhashyam Ji,> > > Namaskar,> > > Why you think like> > > "As and when I am able to, I will certainly join the discussion."> > > Because members can learn astrology from anywhere but this is the > > > only forum where members can freely discuss the principles of > > > astrology. Hence you can also very well discuss or give your > > opinion > > > on any point. > > > > > > Hope to have your comments on "astrology a science or myth" in > file > > > section. From your comments members will take a queue and will > come > > > forward. You may also call your other astrologer friends for > > > interaction.> > > > > > Thanks> > > Yours truly,> > > sanat> > > > > > PS:> > > > > > Ms. Dipika Ji, we are not receiving your msg. and comments on > > various > > > points> > > Sh.Krishnamurthy Ji, I am awaiting your reply on your principle > of > > > diabetes for further interaction.> > > Sh. Bala ji, You have not raised any point after Nadishastra. > Have > > > you seen the working? Pl. inform me, so that I may now offer my > > > comments as no one has offered their comments. You can share your > > > other experience of astrology too.> > > Econdude : rejoinder on my observation on affect of planets is > > > awaited. Are you satisfied with my observation.> > > > > > Members who are in favour of predictive astrology must come > forward > > > with their experience and they may call their personal friends > too > > in > > > this forum.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ---> > > Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with > Mobile. > > Try it now.> > >> >> > > > > From Chandigarh to Chennai - find friends all over India. Go to http://in.promos. / groups/citygroup s/> From Chandigarh to Chennai - find friends all over India. Looking for the perfect gift? Give the gift of Flickr! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 8, 2008 Report Share Posted May 8, 2008 Dear Mr.Bhashyam, There is a limit for patience,and if one writes insinuating mails,he deserves the contempt,without even knowing the rudiments of what he is 'pontificating' about he/she deserves a stiff reprimand... The basic requirement for acquiring education or getting educated, is the thirst for knowledge,and definitely not pretending to know a subject and that too wrongly... Not knowing a subject is not anybody's fault,but knowing even the rudiments of a subject wrongly but still pontificating on it, is certainly is one's fault... I am begining to doubt the very intentions of your members... Prejudice against astrology oozes from your members freely,as seen from their irrational and biased mails based on half-cooked knowledge...such a prejudiced lot of people calling themselves as "people in search of the TRUTH"... is a travesty of the spirit of inquiry... ! I hope an honest attempt is made to delve into the science behind astrology...by first studying the basics of the subject one is talking/writing about,trying it out in a number of cases and then reaching any conclusion...In the case of your over-enthusistic member,he does not know even the a,b,c of Krishnamurthi Padhdhati a unique method of prognostication... but still, insinuates about it's efficacy etc...Is that Scientific by any definition ? I appreciate your "loyalty" to your friend....but my advice to you too is "learn about any subject thoroughly before making any irrational comments,not based on your own experience..." Mr. Rangabhashyam(only if you are a Ph.D or a D.Sc. you can use your nasme as Dr. so and so do let me know), pl study K.P. first,try it out and then comment...with examples...if you've made any mistake stalwarts in K.P., will definitely help you correct them and know the application of K.P., better.. May better sense prevail on the group... With best wishes, L.Y.Rao. GOOD LUCK ! Dr N Bhashyam <drnbhashyam Sent: Thursday, 8 May, 2008 3:42:18 PMRe: Re: Astrology : faith or fiction As far as I know knowledge teaches humility, patience, tolerance,understan ding etc.This is the basic premise of education where those endowed with knowledge volunteer to impart knowledge to those devoid of it . Possibly possibly astrology is beyond all these mundane matters of and is not for the less mortals.It is the close preserve of selected few chosen fortunate ones.Any one trying to intrude the privacy will be rebuffed and unceremoniously booted out.Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1 (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote: Dear Sanat, As one Mormon said to another..." thy mother shall bite thee from under the table"...! In other words you are trying to get bitchy...while pretending that you know a lot about astrology... Sanat you do not know even the BASICS,atleast of K.P.,and any explanations are surely BEYOND your severely limited comprehension. .. If at all you want to enter into serious discussions, first read the 6 readers of KP., and then let us discuss to your heart's content...you seem to be itching for a "showdown" ? If so you had better come premared...a kindergarten student trying to discuss an intricate subject like astrology is most ridiculous.. . Grow up and stop behaving like a spoilt kid...better still fet some psychiatric help,to help you get over your severe inferiority complex...! Every assumption you've made IS WRONG... Study K.P., till such time,pl. do not undress yourself in public or get undressed in public... This advice is meant for Deepika and Sheetal also who it seems are in cahoots with you... L.Y.Rao. sanat2221 <sanatkumar_jain@ rediffmail. com>Wednesday, 7 May, 2008 11:20:36 PM Re: Astrology : faith or fiction Resp. Rao Ji,Namaskar,Thanks for your msg.Though you have praised a lot about your prediction based on KP. Praising your prediction skill is useful in luring your ignorant, innocent clients but here I want to have some serious discussion. You have not answered my earlier points.""So we come back to your point. With the help of Ruling planet (KP system) you forecasted about the exact time (say any incident). It means whenever that socalled planet will be ruling planet that incident will occur. What do you say? (My next comment is reserved for next msg.)Or we may take it otherwise. Horoscope of an individual is fixed, transit of planet is fixed, principle of ruling planet or dasha etc. is fixed. Thus when ingredients are fixed it means result or forecast or conclusion is also fixed. What do you say? (My next comment is reserved for next msg.)""I have also studied KP and you can see that I have even fused it along with other principles in Eskain horoscope (available in file section).When you have many RP then it is only a matter of chance to select a planet, sometime, out of 7 planets. Like many other North Indian astrologers or western astrologers you have claimed to forecast a correct incident. But like all other astrologers you are not disclosing the failures of your prediction, which may be 50% or more.Regarding your statement "which had crowned him with unprecedented success and fame", I will like to say with all my regards to K.S.Krishnamurthiji that fame and success has nothing to do with correctness. You may have seen many famous cheaters too. So forget about the success or fame. We are concerned with analysis of predictive principles.By your statement "RPs at Birth of an individual will also rule the moment of his death." we can at the most say that it is the magic of astrology (where we see that an egg is coming out from the hat of a magician but how; that we don't know and purchasing that hat in the hope of more eggs). Because there are many RP at the time of birth likewise many RP at the time of death. Hence it is quite natural that out of only 7 planets some planet will match. For any demo any one can easily find matching planets but now where is the prediction. Do you want to say that RP (any one out of many) of birth time will never be RP till death and suddenly it will be RP at the time of death? Can you distinguish a sex of various horoscopes? At the most you can say that time of birth is not correct. But suppose after manipulating time of birth and matching with sex can you forecast time of death based on your RP theory.Concept of KP (lord, sublord etc) is only based on Vinshottary dasha. In VD we used to draw Dasha, antar, prat, sukshm dasha of planets linked with const. and in KP we used reverse process and term them as lord, sublord after linking them with const. So it is not a new concept but a old concept in new shape.So what is your opinion? Is astrology a pudding >>>>>> The proof of the pudding,as they say is in eating it...not discussing how it is made...<<<<< < and not a science?We in the forum is discussing about the preparation of principles and not eating them like blind faith.So you can pickup any `basic' principle of KP like dasha, aspect, exalted, ascendant and so on. Choice is yours with your logical answers and I will like to learn after solving my logical queries. Thus we can be able to improve our skill and knowledge. Remember nothing is personal as you have not formulated the principles of KP.Thanks,Yours truly,SanatPS : Silent members may please take active part in any interaction with their views. Because only then, they can be able to sharpen their stand and other members may also be benefited. They may take any earlier point too, discussed and mentioned in various SOA_______ files in file section. Other SOA files are in the pipe line.From the various SOA______ files innocent and ignorant members, who are not professional astrologers or blind supporter of predictive astrology, may see that not a single astrologer is coming forward with their logical and scientific explanation. Supporters of predictive astrology may invite their personal friends, friends of other forum to have a open discussion on the principles of astrology. Because they can learn astrology anywhere but its scientific aspect can only be discussed in this forum, where every one with any views is welcome unlike other forums.Krishnamurty Ji, has not provided supplementary information in support of his principle on diabetes. , Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1@. ..> wrote:>> Dear Sanat,>                 The Ruling Planets theory is the essence of the late K.S.Krishnamurthiji ,which had crowned him with unprecedented success and fame...>                 Briefly, FIVE PLANETS rule any moment of time at any given moment...They are : in order of strength The Star-lord of the Ascendant rising at the moment,it's sign-lord,the Moon's star-lord at that moment,it's sign-lord and the lord of the day...these 5 planets,as per K.P., rule any given moment of time...Later, the sub-lord of the Ascendant and the Moon's sub-lord were also added...making it 7 planets who rule any given moment of Time...>                  In the the same way,Ruling Planets (at Birth),of any living person are determined.. .and it has been demonstrated on umpteen occasions that these RPs play a definite role in every major event that takes place in the pesons entire life-time...>                   There are many other ways when the RPs play a mysterious role...in fructification of an event,such that one can boldly predict exactly when a particular event will take place,even at what time etc...very accurately,by a K.P. stalwart...and so on...>                   This small little wonderful discovery has made K.P. the most accurate method of prognostication. ..>                    For example it is now an established fact that the RPs ruling at the start of any endeavour will also rule,though not necessarily in the same order of strength...at the time of accomplishment. ..>                   The RPs at Birth of an individual will also rule the moment of his death...! This has been verified by KSK and his discples/students in numberless cases....>                   Only K.P. can explain the different careers/professions /structures/ sex of each,in the case of twin births...born separated by a few minutes of each other's birth...>                    No other astrological system so far invented can predict this with such accuracy as K.P. can...     >                   I definitely can provide you with a number of my prdeictions which came true to the exact date,as predicted... and every issue of the excellent Magazine K.P. & Astrology, has been publishing and continues to,several correct predictions by students as well as adepts...! >                    The proof of the pudding,as they say is in eating it...not discussing how it is made.... ! ! >                   With best wishes and kind regards,>                    L.Y.Rao. >                                                 GOOD LUCK !            >                  > > > > sanat2221 <sanatkumar_ jain> > Monday, 5 May, 2008 11:16:07 PM> Re: Astrology : faith or fiction> > > Resp. Rao Ji,> Namaskar,> Thanks for your first msg and hope we will be able to find many more > msgs in future.> > Let us take your first sentence.> >>>>> Astrology is definitely NOT a myth.<<<<<> I can presume that it is your opinion and experience; and you want to > support it with your past demonstration. Suppose one individual > (fanatic in your opinion) says that it is coincidence or say it is > myth based on his experience; and you stand with your sentence that > astrology is not a myth. So where is the conclusion?> > Actually at this point you both departed from each other without in-> depth digging in support of any stand and informing each other about > the basics behind any stand. Because, analysis of astrological > principles requires a systematic and unbiased approach. But > unfortunately we always try to discuss our own experience instead of > discussing about the validity or reasonability of astrological > principles it-self. You may have seen from past msgs. that how > members try to jump from one question to another without sticking to > one point for final analysis and conclusion (that's why I have > devised the system of SOA_______). This is the tactics used by > supporters and point of dispute gets diluted and takes some other > direction. But in this forum, which is only one and first too, we are > trying to analyze every point related to predictive astrology with > discussion and exchange of views till some conclusion may be drawn by > the members from SOA__ files.> > So we come back to your point. With the help of Ruling planet (KP > system) you forecasted about the exact time (say any incident). It > means whenever that socalled planet will be ruling planet that > incident will occur. What do you say? (My next comment is reserved > for next msg.)> > Or we may take it otherwise. Horoscope of an individual is fixed, > transit of planet is fixed, principle of ruling planet or dasha etc. > is fixed. Thus when ingredients are fixed it means result or forecast > or conclusion is also fixed. What do you say? (My next comment is > reserved for next msg.)> > Members are always invited to share their views, because members can > learn the astrology from anywhere but can discuss only in this forum. > So feel free to share your view, question etc.> > Sh Rao Ji, will you please like to give some resume about your-self > to have a proper image for answering? At least I can forecast that > you are a professional astrologer hence I hope to have very strong > logic in your support.> > Thanks,> > Yours truly,> sanat> > , "L.Y.Rao." <lyrastro1@ ..> > wrote:> >> > Dear Ramjee & Sanat Kumar,> > Astrology is definitely NOT a > > myth...Increasingly ,learned and experienced astrologers ALL over > the > > world have proved this,by their sometimes uncannily correct > > prognostications, but, under the excuse of "the proofs NOT > > being 'scientific enough' whatever that may puport to mean"...the > so-> > called "scientists" have all ganged up,or so it seems,to singularly > > target astrology.... as not being scientific and relegating it to the > > status of a myth...and malign it...> > I have had a few occassions to > demonstrate > > to such "Scientific- minded pseudo-intellectual s",with the help of > the > > RULING PLANETS...the almost exact time of arrival of their children > > from school or their servant sent on an errand...etc. .. but > > unfortunately they are so FANATIC that the dismiss these as mere > > coincidences. ..How more illogical can they get ?> > Be that as it may,don't you all think > that > > people like Prof.. Narlikar or people like him,be drafted in as > members> > inorder to provide strong "so-called scientific arguments" for > > experienced astrologers to refute LOGICALLY and with "LIVE" > examples.?> > With best wishes,> > L.Y.Rao.> > > > >> > > Dear Sri Sanatkumar ji,> > > > > > > > > At the outset I would like to > > bring to your notice that any discussion is possible only when one > > knows the subject. But what I find from the file section, most of > the > > writers have preconceived projudice for or against Astrology. If we > > want some healthy discussion on the subject let us chalk out > certain > > plans. For example we may dicuss primary differences between > > astronomy and astrology viz. Raghu And Kethu, these two are not > > planets or sattalites, but astrologers give importance to these > nodes > > HOW & WHY> > > > > > Let us hear frm our friends> > > > > > sanat2221 <sanatkumar_ jain@> wrote:> > > > > > > > > Resp Dr. Bhashyam Ji,> > > Namaskar,> > > Why you think like> > > "As and when I am able to, I will certainly join the discussion."> > > Because members can learn astrology from anywhere but this is the > > > only forum where members can freely discuss the principles of > > > astrology. Hence you can also very well discuss or give your > > opinion > > > on any point. > > > > > > Hope to have your comments on "astrology a science or myth" in > file > > > section. From your comments members will take a queue and will > come > > > forward. You may also call your other astrologer friends for > > > interaction.> > > > > > Thanks> > > Yours truly,> > > sanat> > > > > > PS:> > > > > > Ms. Dipika Ji, we are not receiving your msg. and comments on > > various > > > points> > > Sh.Krishnamurthy Ji, I am awaiting your reply on your principle > of > > > diabetes for further interaction.> > > Sh. Bala ji, You have not raised any point after Nadishastra. > Have > > > you seen the working? Pl. inform me, so that I may now offer my > > > comments as no one has offered their comments. You can share your > > > other experience of astrology too.> > > Econdude : rejoinder on my observation on affect of planets is > > > awaited. Are you satisfied with my observation.> > > > > > Members who are in favour of predictive astrology must come > forward > > > with their experience and they may call their personal friends > too > > in > > > this forum.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ---> > > Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with > Mobile. > > Try it now.> > >> >> > > > > From Chandigarh to Chennai - find friends all over India. Go to http://in.promos. / groups/citygroup s/> From Chandigarh to Chennai - find friends all over India. Looking for the perfect gift? Give the gift of Flickr! Unlimited freedom, unlimited storage. Get it now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 8, 2008 Report Share Posted May 8, 2008 Dear Sanat, You do not seem to know what you are writing about... If you want me to answer your queries,pl. send me US $ 60/- my usual fees for analysing a horoscope...else I cannot spare to answer silly questions based on half-baked knowledge of K.P., and even,I suspect,traditional astrology also...My time is precious... You may send the money by Western Union or Thomas Cook & Co., or by a bank draft payable at a Mumbai Bank... In the meanwhile study K.P. from the 6 readers that are available in the US...and then , if yo can understand it ask questions... A prejudiced mind will,I'm afraid not allow you to be fairminded at all... Send the money and then talk... L.Y.Rao. sanat2221 <sanatkumar_jain Sent: Wednesday, 7 May, 2008 11:20:36 PM Re: Astrology : faith or fiction Resp. Rao Ji,Namaskar,Thanks for your msg.Though you have praised a lot about your prediction based on KP. Praising your prediction skill is useful in luring your ignorant, innocent clients but here I want to have some serious discussion. You have not answered my earlier points.""So we come back to your point. With the help of Ruling planet (KP system) you forecasted about the exact time (say any incident). It means whenever that socalled planet will be ruling planet that incident will occur. What do you say? (My next comment is reserved for next msg.)Or we may take it otherwise. Horoscope of an individual is fixed, transit of planet is fixed, principle of ruling planet or dasha etc. is fixed. Thus when ingredients are fixed it means result or forecast or conclusion is also fixed. What do you say? (My next comment is reserved for next msg.)""I have also studied KP and you can see that I have even fused it along with other principles in Eskain horoscope (available in file section).When you have many RP then it is only a matter of chance to select a planet, sometime, out of 7 planets. Like many other North Indian astrologers or western astrologers you have claimed to forecast a correct incident. But like all other astrologers you are not disclosing the failures of your prediction, which may be 50% or more.Regarding your statement "which had crowned him with unprecedented success and fame", I will like to say with all my regards to K.S.Krishnamurthiji that fame and success has nothing to do with correctness. You may have seen many famous cheaters too. So forget about the success or fame. We are concerned with analysis of predictive principles.By your statement "RPs at Birth of an individual will also rule the moment of his death." we can at the most say that it is the magic of astrology (where we see that an egg is coming out from the hat of a magician but how; that we don't know and purchasing that hat in the hope of more eggs). Because there are many RP at the time of birth likewise many RP at the time of death. Hence it is quite natural that out of only 7 planets some planet will match. For any demo any one can easily find matching planets but now where is the prediction. Do you want to say that RP (any one out of many) of birth time will never be RP till death and suddenly it will be RP at the time of death? Can you distinguish a sex of various horoscopes? At the most you can say that time of birth is not correct. But suppose after manipulating time of birth and matching with sex can you forecast time of death based on your RP theory.Concept of KP (lord, sublord etc) is only based on Vinshottary dasha. In VD we used to draw Dasha, antar, prat, sukshm dasha of planets linked with const. and in KP we used reverse process and term them as lord, sublord after linking them with const. So it is not a new concept but a old concept in new shape.So what is your opinion? Is astrology a pudding >>>>>> The proof of the pudding,as they say is in eating it...not discussing how it is made...<<<<< < and not a science?We in the forum is discussing about the preparation of principles and not eating them like blind faith.So you can pickup any `basic' principle of KP like dasha, aspect, exalted, ascendant and so on. Choice is yours with your logical answers and I will like to learn after solving my logical queries. Thus we can be able to improve our skill and knowledge. Remember nothing is personal as you have not formulated the principles of KP.Thanks,Yours truly,SanatPS : Silent members may please take active part in any interaction with their views. Because only then, they can be able to sharpen their stand and other members may also be benefited. They may take any earlier point too, discussed and mentioned in various SOA_______ files in file section. Other SOA files are in the pipe line.From the various SOA______ files innocent and ignorant members, who are not professional astrologers or blind supporter of predictive astrology, may see that not a single astrologer is coming forward with their logical and scientific explanation. Supporters of predictive astrology may invite their personal friends, friends of other forum to have a open discussion on the principles of astrology. Because they can learn astrology anywhere but its scientific aspect can only be discussed in this forum, where every one with any views is welcome unlike other forums.Krishnamurty Ji, has not provided supplementary information in support of his principle on diabetes. , Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1@. ..> wrote:>> Dear Sanat,>                 The Ruling Planets theory is the essence of the late K.S.Krishnamurthiji ,which had crowned him with unprecedented success and fame...>                 Briefly, FIVE PLANETS rule any moment of time at any given moment...They are : in order of strength The Star-lord of the Ascendant rising at the moment,it's sign-lord,the Moon's star-lord at that moment,it's sign-lord and the lord of the day...these 5 planets,as per K.P., rule any given moment of time...Later, the sub-lord of the Ascendant and the Moon's sub-lord were also added...making it 7 planets who rule any given moment of Time...>                  In the the same way,Ruling Planets (at Birth),of any living person are determined.. .and it has been demonstrated on umpteen occasions that these RPs play a definite role in every major event that takes place in the pesons entire life-time...>                   There are many other ways when the RPs play a mysterious role...in fructification of an event,such that one can boldly predict exactly when a particular event will take place,even at what time etc...very accurately,by a K.P. stalwart...and so on...>                   This small little wonderful discovery has made K.P. the most accurate method of prognostication. ..>                    For example it is now an established fact that the RPs ruling at the start of any endeavour will also rule,though not necessarily in the same order of strength...at the time of accomplishment. ..>                   The RPs at Birth of an individual will also rule the moment of his death...! This has been verified by KSK and his discples/students in numberless cases...>                   Only K.P. can explain the different careers/professions /structures/ sex of each,in the case of twin births...born separated by a few minutes of each other's birth...>                    No other astrological system so far invented can predict this with such accuracy as K.P. can...     >                   I definitely can provide you with a number of my prdeictions which came true to the exact date,as predicted... and every issue of the excellent Magazine K.P. & Astrology, has been publishing and continues to,several correct predictions by students as well as adepts...! >                    The proof of the pudding,as they say is in eating it...not discussing how it is made... ! ! >                   With best wishes and kind regards,>                    L.Y.Rao. >                                                 GOOD LUCK !            >                  > > > > sanat2221 <sanatkumar_ jain> > Monday, 5 May, 2008 11:16:07 PM> Re: Astrology : faith or fiction> > > Resp. Rao Ji,> Namaskar,> Thanks for your first msg and hope we will be able to find many more > msgs in future.> > Let us take your first sentence.> >>>>> Astrology is definitely NOT a myth.<<<<<> I can presume that it is your opinion and experience; and you want to > support it with your past demonstration. Suppose one individual > (fanatic in your opinion) says that it is coincidence or say it is > myth based on his experience; and you stand with your sentence that > astrology is not a myth. So where is the conclusion?> > Actually at this point you both departed from each other without in-> depth digging in support of any stand and informing each other about > the basics behind any stand. Because, analysis of astrological > principles requires a systematic and unbiased approach. But > unfortunately we always try to discuss our own experience instead of > discussing about the validity or reasonability of astrological > principles it-self. You may have seen from past msgs. that how > members try to jump from one question to another without sticking to > one point for final analysis and conclusion (that's why I have > devised the system of SOA_______). This is the tactics used by > supporters and point of dispute gets diluted and takes some other > direction. But in this forum, which is only one and first too, we are > trying to analyze every point related to predictive astrology with > discussion and exchange of views till some conclusion may be drawn by > the members from SOA__ files.> > So we come back to your point. With the help of Ruling planet (KP > system) you forecasted about the exact time (say any incident). It > means whenever that socalled planet will be ruling planet that > incident will occur. What do you say? (My next comment is reserved > for next msg.)> > Or we may take it otherwise. Horoscope of an individual is fixed, > transit of planet is fixed, principle of ruling planet or dasha etc. > is fixed. Thus when ingredients are fixed it means result or forecast > or conclusion is also fixed. What do you say? (My next comment is > reserved for next msg.)> > Members are always invited to share their views, because members can > learn the astrology from anywhere but can discuss only in this forum. > So feel free to share your view, question etc.> > Sh Rao Ji, will you please like to give some resume about your-self > to have a proper image for answering? At least I can forecast that > you are a professional astrologer hence I hope to have very strong > logic in your support.> > Thanks,> > Yours truly,> sanat> > , "L.Y.Rao." <lyrastro1@ ..> > wrote:> >> > Dear Ramjee & Sanat Kumar,> > Astrology is definitely NOT a > > myth...Increasingly ,learned and experienced astrologers ALL over > the > > world have proved this,by their sometimes uncannily correct > > prognostications, but, under the excuse of "the proofs NOT > > being 'scientific enough' whatever that may puport to mean"...the > so-> > called "scientists" have all ganged up,or so it seems,to singularly > > target astrology... as not being scientific and relegating it to the > > status of a myth...and malign it...> > I have had a few occassions to > demonstrate > > to such "Scientific- minded pseudo-intellectual s",with the help of > the > > RULING PLANETS...the almost exact time of arrival of their children > > from school or their servant sent on an errand...etc. .. but > > unfortunately they are so FANATIC that the dismiss these as mere > > coincidences. ..How more illogical can they get ?> > Be that as it may,don't you all think > that > > people like Prof. Narlikar or people like him,be drafted in as > members> > inorder to provide strong "so-called scientific arguments" for > > experienced astrologers to refute LOGICALLY and with "LIVE" > examples.?> > With best wishes,> > L.Y.Rao.> > > > >> > > Dear Sri Sanatkumar ji,> > > > > > > > > At the outset I would like to > > bring to your notice that any discussion is possible only when one > > knows the subject. But what I find from the file section, most of > the > > writers have preconceived projudice for or against Astrology. If we > > want some healthy discussion on the subject let us chalk out > certain > > plans. For example we may dicuss primary differences between > > astronomy and astrology viz. Raghu And Kethu, these two are not > > planets or sattalites, but astrologers give importance to these > nodes > > HOW & WHY> > > > > > Let us hear frm our friends> > > > > > sanat2221 <sanatkumar_ jain@> wrote:> > > > > > > > > Resp Dr. Bhashyam Ji,> > > Namaskar,> > > Why you think like> > > "As and when I am able to, I will certainly join the discussion."> > > Because members can learn astrology from anywhere but this is the > > > only forum where members can freely discuss the principles of > > > astrology. Hence you can also very well discuss or give your > > opinion > > > on any point. > > > > > > Hope to have your comments on "astrology a science or myth" in > file > > > section. From your comments members will take a queue and will > come > > > forward. You may also call your other astrologer friends for > > > interaction.> > > > > > Thanks> > > Yours truly,> > > sanat> > > > > > PS:> > > > > > Ms. Dipika Ji, we are not receiving your msg. and comments on > > various > > > points> > > Sh.Krishnamurthy Ji, I am awaiting your reply on your principle > of > > > diabetes for further interaction.> > > Sh. Bala ji, You have not raised any point after Nadishastra. > Have > > > you seen the working? Pl. inform me, so that I may now offer my > > > comments as no one has offered their comments. You can share your > > > other experience of astrology too.> > > Econdude : rejoinder on my observation on affect of planets is > > > awaited. Are you satisfied with my observation.> > > > > > Members who are in favour of predictive astrology must come > forward > > > with their experience and they may call their personal friends > too > > in > > > this forum.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ---> > > Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with > Mobile. > > Try it now.> > >> >> > > > > From Chandigarh to Chennai - find friends all over India. Go to http://in.promos. / groups/citygroup s/> Bollywood, fun, friendship, sports and more. You name it, we have it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 8, 2008 Report Share Posted May 8, 2008 Resp. Rao Ji, Namaskar, I am picking a thread written to Ms. Dipika Ji, >>>> A child begins to live when he takes the First Breath...after he/she is born...not before... Every birth time given need not be correct...hence we have to arrive at the correct TOB. <<<<<<< Before we take a step to correct the time of birth you have to admit that 1 time of birth in most of the horoscope is incorrect. 2 Before pendulum watch there was no correct system for finding out the correct time of birth. Thus old astrologers too were befooling innocent public. 3 In this situation those astrologers who are not following the KP system for correcting the time of birth is actually befooling innocent public. (You may refer SOA – time of birth for our pending discussion) In KP everybody is fixing the event according to their choice from various significators, which are available for every house and eliminating them on the basis of day of query. But they (KP) have never explained as to how this order of days is correct. So you are advocating a system based on false information. >>>>>>>>>>and every issue of the excellent Magazine K.P. & Astrology, has been publishing and continues to,several correct predictions by students<<<<<<<<< Why they will not publish your prediction which was true according to your statement. Because public is purchasing their Magazine only due to this lollypop that some day they will also be an astrologer. But neither you are reporting your wrong prediction nor they will publish any wrong prediction. At the most those wrong conclusions may be published in which after adopting some other principle they will be able to match the prediction. If you apply same principle in different horoscope then only you can realize about the failure of any principle. So if you want then you can come forward with a principle which in your opinion is correct. Nothing in the msg is personal and it is only academic discussion. Yours Sanat , Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1 wrote: > > Dear Dipika, >                   Your queries cannot be answered here it will consume a lot of time and space... >                    You had better purchase the 6 Readers on Krishnmurthi Padhdhati...and study them thoroughly... >                    A child begins to live when he takes the First Breath...after he/she is born...not before... >                    Every birth time given need not be correct...hence we have to arrive at the correct TOB. >                     With best wishes, >                     L.Y.Rao. >                    > > > > dipika blr <blr.aspirant > > Wednesday, 7 May, 2008 6:04:37 PM > Re: Re: Astrology : faith or fiction > > > Dear Yogesh ji Namaste, > > Definitely the proof of the pudding is in the eating. > > Please provide these as you have stated - >                   " I definitely can provide you with a number of my prdeictions which came true to the exact date,as predicted...and every issue of the excellent Magazine K.P. & Astrology, has been publishing and continues to,several correct predictions by students as well as adepts... " > > Also, please explain why in KP system often the birth time is rectified, what birth time actually denotes i.e moment of first breath, why this is important etc > > Kind Regards, > Dipika > > > On Tue, May 6, 2008 at 12:41 PM, Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1 (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote: > > Dear Sanat, >                 The Ruling Planets theory is the essence of the late K.S.Krishnamurthiji ,which had crowned him with unprecedented success and fame... >                 Briefly, FIVE PLANETS rule any moment of time at any given moment...They are : in order of strength The Star-lord of the Ascendant rising at the moment,it's sign- lord,the Moon's star-lord at that moment,it's sign-lord and the lord of the day...these 5 planets,as per K.P., rule any given moment of time...Later, the sub-lord of the Ascendant and the Moon's sub-lord were also added...making it 7 planets who rule any given moment of Time... >                  In the the same way,Ruling Planets (at Birth),of any living person are determined.. .and it has been demonstrated on umpteen occasions that these RPs play a definite role in every major event that takes place in the pesons entire life- time... >                   There are many other ways when the RPs play a mysterious role...in fructification of an event,such that one can boldly predict exactly when a particular event will take place,even at what time etc...very accurately,by a K.P. stalwart...and so on... >                   This small little wonderful discovery has made K.P. the most accurate method of prognostication. .. >                    For example it is now an established fact that the RPs ruling at the start of any endeavour will also rule,though not necessarily in the same order of strength...at the time of accomplishment. .. >                   The RPs at Birth of an individual will also rule the moment of his death...! This has been verified by KSK and his discples/students in numberless cases.... >                   Only K.P.. can explain the different careers/professions /structures/ sex of each,in the case of twin births...born separated by a few minutes of each other's birth... >                    No other astrological system so far invented can predict this with such accuracy as K.P. can...     >                   I definitely can provide you with a number of my prdeictions which came true to the exact date,as predicted...and every issue of the excellent Magazine K.P. & Astrology, has been publishing and continues to,several correct predictions by students as well as adepts...! >                    The proof of the pudding,as they say is in eating it...not discussing how it is made... ! ! >                   With best wishes and kind regards, >                    L.Y.Rao. >                                                 GOOD LUCK !            >                  > > > > sanat2221 <sanatkumar_jain@ rediffmail. com> > > Monday, 5 May, 2008 11:16:07 PM > Re: Astrology : faith or fiction > > > Resp. Rao Ji, > Namaskar, > Thanks for your first msg and hope we will be able to find many more > msgs in future. > > Let us take your first sentence. > >>>>> Astrology is definitely NOT a myth.<<<<< > I can presume that it is your opinion and experience; and you want to > support it with your past demonstration. Suppose one individual > (fanatic in your opinion) says that it is coincidence or say it is > myth based on his experience; and you stand with your sentence that > astrology is not a myth.. So where is the conclusion? > > Actually at this point you both departed from each other without in- > depth digging in support of any stand and informing each other about > the basics behind any stand. Because, analysis of astrological > principles requires a systematic and unbiased approach. But > unfortunately we always try to discuss our own experience instead of > discussing about the validity or reasonability of astrological > principles it-self. You may have seen from past msgs. that how > members try to jump from one question to another without sticking to > one point for final analysis and conclusion (that's why I have > devised the system of SOA_______). This is the tactics used by > supporters and point of dispute gets diluted and takes some other > direction. But in this forum, which is only one and first too, we are > trying to analyze every point related to predictive astrology with > discussion and exchange of views till some conclusion may be drawn by > the members from SOA__ files. > > So we come back to your point. With the help of Ruling planet (KP > system) you forecasted about the exact time (say any incident). It > means whenever that socalled planet will be ruling planet that > incident will occur. What do you say? (My next comment is reserved > for next msg.) > > Or we may take it otherwise. Horoscope of an individual is fixed, > transit of planet is fixed, principle of ruling planet or dasha etc. > is fixed. Thus when ingredients are fixed it means result or forecast > or conclusion is also fixed. What do you say? (My next comment is > reserved for next msg.) > > Members are always invited to share their views, because members can > learn the astrology from anywhere but can discuss only in this forum. > So feel free to share your view, question etc. > > Sh Rao Ji, will you please like to give some resume about your-self > to have a proper image for answering? At least I can forecast that > you are a professional astrologer hence I hope to have very strong > logic in your support. > > Thanks, > > Yours truly, > sanat > > , " L.Y.Rao. " <lyrastro1@ ..> > wrote: > > > > Dear Ramjee & Sanat Kumar, > > Astrology is definitely NOT a > > myth...Increasingly ,learned and experienced astrologers ALL over > the > > world have proved this,by their sometimes uncannily correct > > prognostications, but, under the excuse of " the proofs NOT > > being 'scientific enough' whatever that may puport to mean " ...the > so- > > called " scientists " have all ganged up,or so it seems,to singularly > > target astrology... as not being scientific and relegating it to the > > status of a myth...and malign it... > > I have had a few occassions to > demonstrate > > to such " Scientific- minded pseudo-intellectual s " ,with the help of > > the > > RULING PLANETS...the almost exact time of arrival of their children > > from school or their servant sent on an errand....etc. .. but > > unfortunately they are so FANATIC that the dismiss these as mere > > coincidences. ..How more illogical can they get ? > > Be that as it may,don't you all think > that > > people like Prof. Narlikar or people like him,be drafted in as > members > > inorder to provide strong " so-called scientific arguments " for > > experienced astrologers to refute LOGICALLY and with " LIVE " > examples.? > > With best wishes, > > L.Y.Rao. > > > > > > > > Dear Sri Sanatkumar ji, > > > > > > > > > At the outset I would like to > > bring to your notice that any discussion is possible only when one > > knows the subject. But what I find from the file section, most of > the > > writers have preconceived projudice for or against Astrology. If we > > want some healthy discussion on the subject let us chalk out > certain > > plans. For example we may dicuss primary differences between > > astronomy and astrology viz. Raghu And Kethu, these two are not > > planets or sattalites, but astrologers give importance to these > nodes > > HOW & WHY > > > > > > Let us hear frm our friends > > > > > > sanat2221 <sanatkumar_ jain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Resp Dr. Bhashyam Ji, > > > Namaskar, > > > Why you think like > > > " As and when I am able to, I will certainly join the discussion. " > > > Because members can learn astrology from anywhere but this is the > > > only forum where members can freely discuss the principles of > > > astrology. Hence you can also very well discuss or give your > > opinion > > > on any point. > > > > > > Hope to have your comments on " astrology a science or myth " in > file > > > section. From your comments members will take a queue and will > come > > > forward. You may also call your other astrologer friends for > > > interaction. > > > > > > Thanks > > > Yours truly, > > > sanat > > > > > > PS: > > > > > > Ms. Dipika Ji, we are not receiving your msg. and comments on > > various > > > points > > > Sh.Krishnamurthy Ji, I am awaiting your reply on your principle > of > > > diabetes for further interaction. > > > Sh. Bala ji, You have not raised any point after Nadishastra. > Have > > > you seen the working? Pl. inform me, so that I may now offer my > > > comments as no one has offered their comments. You can share your > > > other experience of astrology too. > > > Econdude : rejoinder on my observation on affect of planets is > > > awaited. Are you satisfied with my observation. > > > > > > Members who are in favour of predictive astrology must come > forward > > > with their experience and they may call their personal friends > too > > in > > > this forum. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --- > > > Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with > Mobile. > > Try it now. > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > Meet people who discuss and share your passions. Join them now. > > > > Best Jokes, Best Friends, Best Food and more. Go to http://in.promos./groups/bestof/ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 9, 2008 Report Share Posted May 9, 2008 Sanat, There is no point in entering into a serious discussion with a kindergarten student,who does not even know the a,b,c of K.P.,but you continue to pontificate on K.P. ! Clearly you need urgent psychiatric help...the sooner you get treated the better it will be for you.... Do not send any mail to me,even under an assumed name,till you get treated and are certified as cured...and are normal... You also seem to have the incorrigible habit of intruding into other people's conversation ... which clearly reflects upon extremely bad manners,perhaps due to your poor bringing up, lack of proper education and even a poor family background, a raised in-the-slum-back ground...? ! Pl. don't send me any mails till you have learnt good manners,and read the 6 readers on K.P. TILL THEN,IF YOU HAVE ANY SHAME/SELF-RESPECT,JUST SHUT UP... L.Y.Rao. sanat2221 <sanatkumar_jain Sent: Thursday, 8 May, 2008 11:30:16 PM Re: Astrology : faith or fiction Resp. Rao Ji,Namaskar,I am picking a thread written to Ms. Dipika Ji, >>>> A child begins to live when he takes the First Breath...after he/she is born...not before.... Every birth time given need not be correct...hence we have to arrive at the correct TOB. <<<<<<<Before we take a step to correct the time of birth you have to admit that 1 time of birth in most of the horoscope is incorrect.2 Before pendulum watch there was no correct system for finding out the correct time of birth. Thus old astrologers too were befooling innocent public.3 In this situation those astrologers who are not following the KP system for correcting the time of birth is actually befooling innocent public.(You may refer SOA – time of birth for our pending discussion)In KP everybody is fixing the event according to their choice from various significators, which are available for every house and eliminating them on the basis of day of query. But they (KP) have never explained as to how this order of days is correct. So you are advocating a system based on false information.>>>>>>>>>>and every issue of the excellent Magazine K.P. & Astrology, has been publishing and continues to,several correct predictions by students<<<< <<<<<Why they will not publish your prediction which was true according to your statement. Because public is purchasing their Magazine only due to this lollypop that some day they will also be an astrologer. But neither you are reporting your wrong prediction nor they will publish any wrong prediction. At the most those wrong conclusions may be published in which after adopting some other principle they will be able to match the prediction.If you apply same principle in different horoscope then only you can realize about the failure of any principle.So if you want then you can come forward with a principle which in your opinion is correct. Nothing in the msg is personal and it is only academic discussion.YoursSanat, Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1@. ..> wrote:>> Dear Dipika,>                   Your queries cannot be answered here it will consume a lot of time and space...>                    You had better purchase the 6 Readers on Krishnmurthi Padhdhati... and study them thoroughly.. .>                    A child begins to live when he takes the First Breath...after he/she is born...not before...>                    Every birth time given need not be correct...hence we have to arrive at the correct TOB.>                     With best wishes,>                     L.Y.Rao.>                    > > > > dipika blr <blr.aspirant@ ...>> > Wednesday, 7 May, 2008 6:04:37 PM> Re: Re: Astrology : faith or fiction> > > Dear Yogesh ji Namaste,> > Definitely the proof of the pudding is in the eating.> > Please provide these as you have stated - >                   "I definitely can provide you with a number of my prdeictions which came true to the exact date,as predicted... and every issue of the excellent Magazine K.P. & Astrology, has been publishing and continues to,several correct predictions by students as well as adepts..."> > Also, please explain why in KP system often the birth time is rectified, what birth time actually denotes i.e moment of first breath, why this is important etc> > Kind Regards,> Dipika> > > On Tue, May 6, 2008 at 12:41 PM, Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1 (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote:> > Dear Sanat,>                 The Ruling Planets theory is the essence of the late K.S.Krishnamurthiji ,which had crowned him with unprecedented success and fame...>                 Briefly, FIVE PLANETS rule any moment of time at any given moment...They are : in order of strength The Star-lord of the Ascendant rising at the moment,it's sign-lord,the Moon's star-lord at that moment,it's sign-lord and the lord of the day...these 5 planets,as per K.P., rule any given moment of time...Later, the sub-lord of the Ascendant and the Moon's sub-lord were also added...making it 7 planets who rule any given moment of Time...>                  In the the same way,Ruling Planets (at Birth),of any living person are determined.. .and it has been demonstrated on umpteen occasions that these RPs play a definite role in every major event that takes place in the pesons entire life-time...>                   There are many other ways when the RPs play a mysterious role...in fructification of an event,such that one can boldly predict exactly when a particular event will take place,even at what time etc...very accurately,by a K.P. stalwart...and so on....>                   This small little wonderful discovery has made K.P. the most accurate method of prognostication. ..>                    For example it is now an established fact that the RPs ruling at the start of any endeavour will also rule,though not necessarily in the same order of strength...at the time of accomplishment. ..>                   The RPs at Birth of an individual will also rule the moment of his death...! This has been verified by KSK and his discples/students in numberless cases....>                   Only K.P.. can explain the different careers/professions /structures/ sex of each,in the case of twin births...born separated by a few minutes of each other's birth...>                    No other astrological system so far invented can predict this with such accuracy as K.P. can...     >                   I definitely can provide you with a number of my prdeictions which came true to the exact date,as predicted... and every issue of the excellent Magazine K.P. & Astrology, has been publishing and continues to,several correct predictions by students as well as adepts...! >                    The proof of the pudding,as they say is in eating it...not discussing how it is made... ! ! >                   With best wishes and kind regards,>                    L.Y.Rao. >                                                 GOOD LUCK !            >                  > > > > sanat2221 <sanatkumar_ jain@ rediffmail. com>> > Monday, 5 May, 2008 11:16:07 PM> Re: Astrology : faith or fiction> > > Resp. Rao Ji,> Namaskar,> Thanks for your first msg and hope we will be able to find many more > msgs in future.> > Let us take your first sentence.> >>>>> Astrology is definitely NOT a myth.<<<<<> I can presume that it is your opinion and experience; and you want to > support it with your past demonstration. Suppose one individual > (fanatic in your opinion) says that it is coincidence or say it is > myth based on his experience; and you stand with your sentence that > astrology is not a myth.. So where is the conclusion?> > Actually at this point you both departed from each other without in-> depth digging in support of any stand and informing each other about > the basics behind any stand. Because, analysis of astrological > principles requires a systematic and unbiased approach. But > unfortunately we always try to discuss our own experience instead of > discussing about the validity or reasonability of astrological > principles it-self. You may have seen from past msgs. that how > members try to jump from one question to another without sticking to > one point for final analysis and conclusion (that's why I have > devised the system of SOA_______). This is the tactics used by > supporters and point of dispute gets diluted and takes some other > direction. But in this forum, which is only one and first too, we are > trying to analyze every point related to predictive astrology with > discussion and exchange of views till some conclusion may be drawn by > the members from SOA__ files.> > So we come back to your point. With the help of Ruling planet (KP > system) you forecasted about the exact time (say any incident). It > means whenever that socalled planet will be ruling planet that > incident will occur. What do you say? (My next comment is reserved > for next msg.)> > Or we may take it otherwise. Horoscope of an individual is fixed, > transit of planet is fixed, principle of ruling planet or dasha etc. > is fixed. Thus when ingredients are fixed it means result or forecast > or conclusion is also fixed. What do you say? (My next comment is > reserved for next msg.)> > Members are always invited to share their views, because members can > learn the astrology from anywhere but can discuss only in this forum. > So feel free to share your view, question etc.> > Sh Rao Ji, will you please like to give some resume about your-self > to have a proper image for answering? At least I can forecast that > you are a professional astrologer hence I hope to have very strong > logic in your support.> > Thanks,> > Yours truly,> sanat> > , "L.Y.Rao." <lyrastro1@ ..> > wrote:> >> > Dear Ramjee & Sanat Kumar,> > Astrology is definitely NOT a > > myth...Increasingly ,learned and experienced astrologers ALL over > the > > world have proved this,by their sometimes uncannily correct > > prognostications, but, under the excuse of "the proofs NOT > > being 'scientific enough' whatever that may puport to mean"...the > so-> > called "scientists" have all ganged up,or so it seems,to singularly > > target astrology... as not being scientific and relegating it to the > > status of a myth...and malign it....> > I have had a few occassions to > demonstrate > > to such "Scientific- minded pseudo-intellectual s",with the help of > > the > > RULING PLANETS...the almost exact time of arrival of their children > > from school or their servant sent on an errand....etc. .. but > > unfortunately they are so FANATIC that the dismiss these as mere > > coincidences. ..How more illogical can they get ?> > Be that as it may,don't you all think > that > > people like Prof. Narlikar or people like him,be drafted in as > members> > inorder to provide strong "so-called scientific arguments" for > > experienced astrologers to refute LOGICALLY and with "LIVE" > examples.?> > With best wishes,> > L.Y.Rao.> > > > >> > > Dear Sri Sanatkumar ji,> > > > > > > > > At the outset I would like to > > bring to your notice that any discussion is possible only when one > > knows the subject. But what I find from the file section, most of > the > > writers have preconceived projudice for or against Astrology. If we > > want some healthy discussion on the subject let us chalk out > certain > > plans. For example we may dicuss primary differences between > > astronomy and astrology viz. Raghu And Kethu, these two are not > > planets or sattalites, but astrologers give importance to these > nodes > > HOW & WHY> > > > > > Let us hear frm our friends> > > > > > sanat2221 <sanatkumar_ jain@> wrote:> > > > > > > > > Resp Dr. Bhashyam Ji,> > > Namaskar,> > > Why you think like> > > "As and when I am able to, I will certainly join the discussion."> > > Because members can learn astrology from anywhere but this is the > > > only forum where members can freely discuss the principles of > > > astrology. Hence you can also very well discuss or give your > > opinion > > > on any point. > > > > > > Hope to have your comments on "astrology a science or myth" in > file > > > section. From your comments members will take a queue and will > come > > > forward. You may also call your other astrologer friends for > > > interaction.> > > > > > Thanks> > > Yours truly,> > > sanat> > > > > > PS:> > > > > > Ms. Dipika Ji, we are not receiving your msg. and comments on > > various > > > points> > > Sh.Krishnamurthy Ji, I am awaiting your reply on your principle > of > > > diabetes for further interaction.> > > Sh. Bala ji, You have not raised any point after Nadishastra. > Have > > > you seen the working? Pl. inform me, so that I may now offer my > > > comments as no one has offered their comments. You can share your > > > other experience of astrology too.> > > Econdude : rejoinder on my observation on affect of planets is > > > awaited. Are you satisfied with my observation.> > > > > > Members who are in favour of predictive astrology must come > forward > > > with their experience and they may call their personal friends > too > > in > > > this forum.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ---> > > Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with > Mobile. > > Try it now.> > >> >> > > ____________ _________ _________ __> Meet people who discuss and share your passions. Join them now. > > > > Best Jokes, Best Friends, Best Food and more. Go to http://in.promos. / groups/bestofyah oo/> From Chandigarh to Chennai - find friends all over India. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 9, 2008 Report Share Posted May 9, 2008 Dear Mr Rao, Thanks for your kind mail and your detailed elucidation. I joined this group expecting the discussion will around issues to with a view to examine in depth the nuances of astrological prediction based on astral configuration so as to evolve some robust algorithms or guidelines to make the predictions as objective as could be possibles such as using tools of statistical inference in inference ,or building mathematical models ,developing rules or operators of interaction etc with a view to make the prediction as objective as possibly could be.I feel , the focus should be to make astrology, a derivative of Astronomy, as robust as Astrophysics .Instead our discussions are mostly getting personal , casting aspersion, doubting each others bona fide, hurling challenges and freely using intemperate language. I believe in discussing issues passionately without doubting each others integrity, honesty and sincerity I feel,we can always agree to disagree.This possibly may not be the way issues in astrology are discussed by among learned astrologers. You were kind enough to question out my academic qualification.For your kind information I hold a PhD degree awarded by University of Delhi on my dissertation 'Theory of Stochastic Duels' .It is possible astrologers may be using such appellations without even going to any academic institution or undergoing any certification tests etc but such is not the case in scientific professions. My name is 'Bhashyam' as you have stated while addressing your valuable comments and not 'Rangabhashyam' as stated by you in the body of your mail.Regards,N BhashyamYogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1 wrote: Dear Mr.Bhashyam, There is a limit for patience,and if one writes insinuating mails,he deserves the contempt,without even knowing the rudiments of what he is 'pontificating' about he/she deserves a stiff reprimand... The basic requirement for acquiring education or getting educated, is the thirst for knowledge,and definitely not pretending to know a subject and that too wrongly... Not knowing a subject is not anybody's fault,but knowing even the rudiments of a subject wrongly but still pontificating on it, is certainly is one's fault... I am begining to doubt the very intentions of your members... Prejudice against astrology oozes from your members freely,as seen from their irrational and biased mails based on half-cooked knowledge...such a prejudiced lot of people calling themselves as "people in search of the TRUTH"... is a travesty of the spirit of inquiry... ! I hope an honest attempt is made to delve into the science behind astrology...by first studying the basics of the subject one is talking/writing about,trying it out in a number of cases and then reaching any conclusion...In the case of your over-enthusistic member,he does not know even the a,b,c of Krishnamurthi Padhdhati a unique method of prognostication... but still, insinuates about it's efficacy etc...Is that Scientific by any definition ? I appreciate your "loyalty" to your friend....but my advice to you too is "learn about any subject thoroughly before making any irrational comments,not based on your own experience..." Mr. Rangabhashyam(only if you are a Ph.D or a D.Sc. you can use your nasme as Dr. so and so do let me know), pl study K.P. first,try it out and then comment...with examples...if you've made any mistake stalwarts in K.P., will definitely help you correct them and know the application of K.P., better.. May better sense prevail on the group... With best wishes, L.Y.Rao. GOOD LUCK ! Dr N Bhashyam <drnbhashyam (AT) (DOT) ca> Sent: Thursday, 8 May, 2008 3:42:18 PMRe: Re: Astrology : faith or fiction As far as I know knowledge teaches humility, patience, tolerance,understan ding etc.This is the basic premise of education where those endowed with knowledge volunteer to impart knowledge to those devoid of it . Possibly possibly astrology is beyond all these mundane matters of and is not for the less mortals.It is the close preserve of selected few chosen fortunate ones.Any one trying to intrude the privacy will be rebuffed and unceremoniously booted out.Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1 (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote: Dear Sanat, As one Mormon said to another..." thy mother shall bite thee from under the table"...! In other words you are trying to get bitchy...while pretending that you know a lot about astrology... Sanat you do not know even the BASICS,atleast of K.P.,and any explanations are surely BEYOND your severely limited comprehension. .. If at all you want to enter into serious discussions, first read the 6 readers of KP., and then let us discuss to your heart's content...you seem to be itching for a "showdown" ? If so you had better come premared...a kindergarten student trying to discuss an intricate subject like astrology is most ridiculous.. . Grow up and stop behaving like a spoilt kid...better still fet some psychiatric help,to help you get over your severe inferiority complex...! Every assumption you've made IS WRONG... Study K.P., till such time,pl. do not undress yourself in public or get undressed in public... This advice is meant for Deepika and Sheetal also who it seems are in cahoots with you... L.Y.Rao. sanat2221 <sanatkumar_jain@ rediffmail. com>Wednesday, 7 May, 2008 11:20:36 PM Re: Astrology : faith or fiction Resp. Rao Ji,Namaskar,Thanks for your msg.Though you have praised a lot about your prediction based on KP. Praising your prediction skill is useful in luring your ignorant, innocent clients but here I want to have some serious discussion. You have not answered my earlier points.""So we come back to your point. With the help of Ruling planet (KP system) you forecasted about the exact time (say any incident). It means whenever that socalled planet will be ruling planet that incident will occur. What do you say? (My next comment is reserved for next msg.)Or we may take it otherwise. Horoscope of an individual is fixed, transit of planet is fixed, principle of ruling planet or dasha etc. is fixed. Thus when ingredients are fixed it means result or forecast or conclusion is also fixed. What do you say? (My next comment is reserved for next msg.)""I have also studied KP and you can see that I have even fused it along with other principles in Eskain horoscope (available in file section).When you have many RP then it is only a matter of chance to select a planet, sometime, out of 7 planets. Like many other North Indian astrologers or western astrologers you have claimed to forecast a correct incident. But like all other astrologers you are not disclosing the failures of your prediction, which may be 50% or more.Regarding your statement "which had crowned him with unprecedented success and fame", I will like to say with all my regards to K.S.Krishnamurthiji that fame and success has nothing to do with correctness. You may have seen many famous cheaters too. So forget about the success or fame. We are concerned with analysis of predictive principles.By your statement "RPs at Birth of an individual will also rule the moment of his death." we can at the most say that it is the magic of astrology (where we see that an egg is coming out from the hat of a magician but how; that we don't know and purchasing that hat in the hope of more eggs). Because there are many RP at the time of birth likewise many RP at the time of death. Hence it is quite natural that out of only 7 planets some planet will match. For any demo any one can easily find matching planets but now where is the prediction. Do you want to say that RP (any one out of many) of birth time will never be RP till death and suddenly it will be RP at the time of death? Can you distinguish a sex of various horoscopes? At the most you can say that time of birth is not correct. But suppose after manipulating time of birth and matching with sex can you forecast time of death based on your RP theory.Concept of KP (lord, sublord etc) is only based on Vinshottary dasha. In VD we used to draw Dasha, antar, prat, sukshm dasha of planets linked with const. and in KP we used reverse process and term them as lord, sublord after linking them with const. So it is not a new concept but a old concept in new shape.So what is your opinion? Is astrology a pudding >>>>>> The proof of the pudding,as they say is in eating it...not discussing how it is made...<<<<< < and not a science?We in the forum is discussing about the preparation of principles and not eating them like blind faith.So you can pickup any `basic' principle of KP like dasha, aspect, exalted, ascendant and so on. Choice is yours with your logical answers and I will like to learn after solving my logical queries. Thus we can be able to improve our skill and knowledge. Remember nothing is personal as you have not formulated the principles of KP.Thanks,Yours truly,SanatPS : Silent members may please take active part in any interaction with their views. Because only then, they can be able to sharpen their stand and other members may also be benefited. They may take any earlier point too, discussed and mentioned in various SOA_______ files in file section. Other SOA files are in the pipe line.From the various SOA______ files innocent and ignorant members, who are not professional astrologers or blind supporter of predictive astrology, may see that not a single astrologer is coming forward with their logical and scientific explanation. Supporters of predictive astrology may invite their personal friends, friends of other forum to have a open discussion on the principles of astrology. Because they can learn astrology anywhere but its scientific aspect can only be discussed in this forum, where every one with any views is welcome unlike other forums.Krishnamurty Ji, has not provided supplementary information in support of his principle on diabetes. , Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1@. ..> wrote:>> Dear Sanat,>                 The Ruling Planets theory is the essence of the late K.S.Krishnamurthiji ,which had crowned him with unprecedented success and fame...>                 Briefly, FIVE PLANETS rule any moment of time at any given moment...They are : in order of strength The Star-lord of the Ascendant rising at the moment,it's sign-lord,the Moon's star-lord at that moment,it's sign-lord and the lord of the day...these 5 planets,as per K.P., rule any given moment of time...Later, the sub-lord of the Ascendant and the Moon's sub-lord were also added...making it 7 planets who rule any given moment of Time...>                  In the the same way,Ruling Planets (at Birth),of any living person are determined.. .and it has been demonstrated on umpteen occasions that these RPs play a definite role in every major event that takes place in the pesons entire life-time...>                   There are many other ways when the RPs play a mysterious role...in fructification of an event,such that one can boldly predict exactly when a particular event will take place,even at what time etc...very accurately,by a K.P. stalwart...and so on...>                   This small little wonderful discovery has made K.P. the most accurate method of prognostication. ..>                    For example it is now an established fact that the RPs ruling at the start of any endeavour will also rule,though not necessarily in the same order of strength...at the time of accomplishment. ...>                   The RPs at Birth of an individual will also rule the moment of his death...! This has been verified by KSK and his discples/students in numberless cases....>                   Only K.P. can explain the different careers/professions /structures/ sex of each,in the case of twin births...born separated by a few minutes of each other's birth...>                    No other astrological system so far invented can predict this with such accuracy as K.P. can...     >                   I definitely can provide you with a number of my prdeictions which came true to the exact date,as predicted... and every issue of the excellent Magazine K.P. & Astrology, has been publishing and continues to,several correct predictions by students as well as adepts...! >                    The proof of the pudding,as they say is in eating it...not discussing how it is made.... ! ! >                   With best wishes and kind regards,>                    L.Y.Rao. >                                                 GOOD LUCK !            >                  > > > > sanat2221 <sanatkumar_ jain> > Monday, 5 May, 2008 11:16:07 PM> Re: Astrology : faith or fiction> > > Resp. Rao Ji,> Namaskar,> Thanks for your first msg and hope we will be able to find many more > msgs in future.> > Let us take your first sentence.> >>>>> Astrology is definitely NOT a myth.<<<<<> I can presume that it is your opinion and experience; and you want to > support it with your past demonstration. Suppose one individual > (fanatic in your opinion) says that it is coincidence or say it is > myth based on his experience; and you stand with your sentence that > astrology is not a myth. So where is the conclusion?> > Actually at this point you both departed from each other without in-> depth digging in support of any stand and informing each other about > the basics behind any stand. Because, analysis of astrological > principles requires a systematic and unbiased approach. But > unfortunately we always try to discuss our own experience instead of > discussing about the validity or reasonability of astrological > principles it-self. You may have seen from past msgs. that how > members try to jump from one question to another without sticking to > one point for final analysis and conclusion (that's why I have > devised the system of SOA_______). This is the tactics used by > supporters and point of dispute gets diluted and takes some other > direction. But in this forum, which is only one and first too, we are > trying to analyze every point related to predictive astrology with > discussion and exchange of views till some conclusion may be drawn by > the members from SOA__ files.> > So we come back to your point. With the help of Ruling planet (KP > system) you forecasted about the exact time (say any incident). It > means whenever that socalled planet will be ruling planet that > incident will occur. What do you say? (My next comment is reserved > for next msg.)> > Or we may take it otherwise. Horoscope of an individual is fixed, > transit of planet is fixed, principle of ruling planet or dasha etc. > is fixed. Thus when ingredients are fixed it means result or forecast > or conclusion is also fixed. What do you say? (My next comment is > reserved for next msg.)> > Members are always invited to share their views, because members can > learn the astrology from anywhere but can discuss only in this forum. > So feel free to share your view, question etc.> > Sh Rao Ji, will you please like to give some resume about your-self > to have a proper image for answering? At least I can forecast that > you are a professional astrologer hence I hope to have very strong > logic in your support.> > Thanks,> > Yours truly,> sanat> > , "L.Y.Rao." <lyrastro1@ ..> > wrote:> >> > Dear Ramjee & Sanat Kumar,> > Astrology is definitely NOT a > > myth...Increasingly ,learned and experienced astrologers ALL over > the > > world have proved this,by their sometimes uncannily correct > > prognostications, but, under the excuse of "the proofs NOT > > being 'scientific enough' whatever that may puport to mean"...the > so-> > called "scientists" have all ganged up,or so it seems,to singularly > > target astrology.... as not being scientific and relegating it to the > > status of a myth...and malign it...> > I have had a few occassions to > demonstrate > > to such "Scientific- minded pseudo-intellectual s",with the help of > the > > RULING PLANETS...the almost exact time of arrival of their children > > from school or their servant sent on an errand...etc. .. but > > unfortunately they are so FANATIC that the dismiss these as mere > > coincidences. ..How more illogical can they get ?> > Be that as it may,don't you all think > that > > people like Prof.. Narlikar or people like him,be drafted in as > members> > inorder to provide strong "so-called scientific arguments" for > > experienced astrologers to refute LOGICALLY and with "LIVE" > examples.?> > With best wishes,> > L.Y.Rao.> > > > >> > > Dear Sri Sanatkumar ji,> > > > > > > > > At the outset I would like to > > bring to your notice that any discussion is possible only when one > > knows the subject. But what I find from the file section, most of > the > > writers have preconceived projudice for or against Astrology. If we > > want some healthy discussion on the subject let us chalk out > certain > > plans. For example we may dicuss primary differences between > > astronomy and astrology viz. Raghu And Kethu, these two are not > > planets or sattalites, but astrologers give importance to these > nodes > > HOW & WHY> > > > > > Let us hear frm our friends> > > > > > sanat2221 <sanatkumar_ jain@> wrote:> > > > > > > > > Resp Dr. Bhashyam Ji,> > > Namaskar,> > > Why you think like> > > "As and when I am able to, I will certainly join the discussion."> > > Because members can learn astrology from anywhere but this is the > > > only forum where members can freely discuss the principles of > > > astrology. Hence you can also very well discuss or give your > > opinion > > > on any point. > > > > > > Hope to have your comments on "astrology a science or myth" in > file > > > section. From your comments members will take a queue and will > come > > > forward. You may also call your other astrologer friends for > > > interaction.> > > > > > Thanks> > > Yours truly,> > > sanat> > > > > > PS:> > > > > > Ms. Dipika Ji, we are not receiving your msg. and comments on > > various > > > points> > > Sh.Krishnamurthy Ji, I am awaiting your reply on your principle > of > > > diabetes for further interaction.> > > Sh. Bala ji, You have not raised any point after Nadishastra. > Have > > > you seen the working? Pl. inform me, so that I may now offer my > > > comments as no one has offered their comments. You can share your > > > other experience of astrology too.> > > Econdude : rejoinder on my observation on affect of planets is > > > awaited. Are you satisfied with my observation.> > > > > > Members who are in favour of predictive astrology must come > forward > > > with their experience and they may call their personal friends > too > > in > > > this forum.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ---> > > Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with > Mobile. > > Try it now.> > >> >> > > > > From Chandigarh to Chennai - find friends all over India. Go to http://in.promos. / groups/citygroup s/> From Chandigarh to Chennai - find friends all over India. Looking for the perfect gift? Give the gift of Flickr! Unlimited freedom, unlimited storage. Get it now Ask a question on any topic and get answers from real people. Go to Answers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 9, 2008 Report Share Posted May 9, 2008 Dear Dr.Bhashyam, Thank you for your informative mail... Discussions were made very subjective by your friend Sanat,and soon after,you jumped into the fray,as it were... I am just a B.Sc.,and I accidentally began studying astrology casually,as a pass time,in 1956...but began a serious study of Traditional Astrology,since my graduation in 1964...and switched over to Krishnamurthi Padhdhati since I met the late Shri K.S.Krishnamurthiji,in 1975-76. After thoroghly familiarising myself with all the rules,I began practising the practical application of K.P., while I was at Mumbai,as Dy.Gen Mgr. in M/s Raptakos Brett & Co. Ltd.,and used to successfuly tell my secretary exactly what time our peon will return from the bank...etc.,and except for the day of the bomb blasts in Mumbai,just opposite our Office...our peon did not return...but it so happenned that he was so scared that he went home...! That prompted me to probe the cause of /reason for failure and I was successful in identifying it...which further helped me to sharpen my skills further...and so on... I can assure you Dr.Bashyam that K.P. is scientific...and I have been able to get a score of 85-90 % correct predictions...(correct to the day,that is)... Personally I would be extremely glad to be of any help to you for a deep scientific investigation...but my knowledge of Mathematics is very poor... What are the parameters set for your research ? May be you might need to change them suitably, to obtain a tangible conclusion...? I would suggest that your group familiarises itself with the Basic Principles of K.P. and read the 6 Readers available authored by KSK himself...only ten will a thorough Modern and systematic investigation can be taken up...in the mean while, you are requested not to equate Traditional Astrology with K.P. With best wishes, L.Y.Rao. GOOD LUCK ! Dr N Bhashyam <drnbhashyam Cc: lyrastro1Sent: Friday, 9 May, 2008 4:04:30 PMRe: Re: Astrology : faith or fiction Dear Mr Rao, Thanks for your kind mail and your detailed elucidation. I joined this group expecting the discussion will around issues to with a view to examine in depth the nuances of astrological prediction based on astral configuration so as to evolve some robust algorithms or guidelines to make the predictions as objective as could be possibles such as using tools of statistical inference in inference ,or building mathematical models ,developing rules or operators of interaction etc with a view to make the prediction as objective as possibly could be.I feel , the focus should be to make astrology, a derivative of Astronomy, as robust as Astrophysics .Instead our discussions are mostly getting personal , casting aspersion, doubting each others bona fide, hurling challenges and freely using intemperate language. I believe in discussing issues passionately without doubting each others integrity, honesty and sincerity I feel,we can always agree to disagree.This possibly may not be the way issues in astrology are discussed by among learned astrologers. You were kind enough to question out my academic qualification. For your kind information I hold a PhD degree awarded by University of Delhi on my dissertation 'Theory of Stochastic Duels' .It is possible astrologers may be using such appellations without even going to any academic institution or undergoing any certification tests etc but such is not the case in scientific professions. My name is 'Bhashyam' as you have stated while addressing your valuable comments and not 'Rangabhashyam' as stated by you in the body of your mail.Regards,N BhashyamYogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1 (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote: Dear Mr.Bhashyam, There is a limit for patience,and if one writes insinuating mails,he deserves the contempt,without even knowing the rudiments of what he is 'pontificating' about he/she deserves a stiff reprimand... The basic requirement for acquiring education or getting educated, is the thirst for knowledge,and definitely not pretending to know a subject and that too wrongly... Not knowing a subject is not anybody's fault,but knowing even the rudiments of a subject wrongly but still pontificating on it, is certainly is one's fault... I am begining to doubt the very intentions of your members... Prejudice against astrology oozes from your members freely,as seen from their irrational and biased mails based on half-cooked knowledge... such a prejudiced lot of people calling themselves as "people in search of the TRUTH"... is a travesty of the spirit of inquiry... ! I hope an honest attempt is made to delve into the science behind astrology... by first studying the basics of the subject one is talking/writing about,trying it out in a number of cases and then reaching any conclusion.. .In the case of your over-enthusistic member,he does not know even the a,b,c of Krishnamurthi Padhdhati a unique method of prognostication. .. but still, insinuates about it's efficacy etc...Is that Scientific by any definition ? I appreciate your "loyalty" to your friend....but my advice to you too is "learn about any subject thoroughly before making any irrational comments,not based on your own experience.. ." Mr. Rangabhashyam( only if you are a Ph.D or a D.Sc. you can use your nasme as Dr. so and so do let me know), pl study K.P. first,try it out and then comment...with examples...if you've made any mistake stalwarts in K.P., will definitely help you correct them and know the application of K.P., better.. May better sense prevail on the group... With best wishes, L.Y.Rao. GOOD LUCK ! Dr N Bhashyam <drnbhashyam@ .ca>Thursday, 8 May, 2008 3:42:18 PMRe: Re: Astrology : faith or fiction As far as I know knowledge teaches humility, patience, tolerance,understan ding etc.This is the basic premise of education where those endowed with knowledge volunteer to impart knowledge to those devoid of it . Possibly possibly astrology is beyond all these mundane matters of and is not for the less mortals.It is the close preserve of selected few chosen fortunate ones.Any one trying to intrude the privacy will be rebuffed and unceremoniously booted out.Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1 (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote: Dear Sanat, As one Mormon said to another..." thy mother shall bite thee from under the table"...! In other words you are trying to get bitchy...while pretending that you know a lot about astrology... Sanat you do not know even the BASICS,atleast of K.P.,and any explanations are surely BEYOND your severely limited comprehension. .. If at all you want to enter into serious discussions, first read the 6 readers of KP., and then let us discuss to your heart's content...you seem to be itching for a "showdown" ? If so you had better come premared...a kindergarten student trying to discuss an intricate subject like astrology is most ridiculous.. . Grow up and stop behaving like a spoilt kid...better still fet some psychiatric help,to help you get over your severe inferiority complex...! Every assumption you've made IS WRONG... Study K.P., till such time,pl. do not undress yourself in public or get undressed in public... This advice is meant for Deepika and Sheetal also who it seems are in cahoots with you... L.Y.Rao. sanat2221 <sanatkumar_jain@ rediffmail. com>Wednesday, 7 May, 2008 11:20:36 PM Re: Astrology : faith or fiction Resp. Rao Ji,Namaskar,Thanks for your msg.Though you have praised a lot about your prediction based on KP. Praising your prediction skill is useful in luring your ignorant, innocent clients but here I want to have some serious discussion. You have not answered my earlier points.""So we come back to your point. With the help of Ruling planet (KP system) you forecasted about the exact time (say any incident). It means whenever that socalled planet will be ruling planet that incident will occur. What do you say? (My next comment is reserved for next msg.)Or we may take it otherwise. Horoscope of an individual is fixed, transit of planet is fixed, principle of ruling planet or dasha etc. is fixed. Thus when ingredients are fixed it means result or forecast or conclusion is also fixed. What do you say? (My next comment is reserved for next msg.)""I have also studied KP and you can see that I have even fused it along with other principles in Eskain horoscope (available in file section).When you have many RP then it is only a matter of chance to select a planet, sometime, out of 7 planets. Like many other North Indian astrologers or western astrologers you have claimed to forecast a correct incident. But like all other astrologers you are not disclosing the failures of your prediction, which may be 50% or more.Regarding your statement "which had crowned him with unprecedented success and fame", I will like to say with all my regards to K.S.Krishnamurthiji that fame and success has nothing to do with correctness. You may have seen many famous cheaters too. So forget about the success or fame. We are concerned with analysis of predictive principles.By your statement "RPs at Birth of an individual will also rule the moment of his death." we can at the most say that it is the magic of astrology (where we see that an egg is coming out from the hat of a magician but how; that we don't know and purchasing that hat in the hope of more eggs). Because there are many RP at the time of birth likewise many RP at the time of death. Hence it is quite natural that out of only 7 planets some planet will match. For any demo any one can easily find matching planets but now where is the prediction. Do you want to say that RP (any one out of many) of birth time will never be RP till death and suddenly it will be RP at the time of death? Can you distinguish a sex of various horoscopes? At the most you can say that time of birth is not correct. But suppose after manipulating time of birth and matching with sex can you forecast time of death based on your RP theory.Concept of KP (lord, sublord etc) is only based on Vinshottary dasha. In VD we used to draw Dasha, antar, prat, sukshm dasha of planets linked with const. and in KP we used reverse process and term them as lord, sublord after linking them with const. So it is not a new concept but a old concept in new shape.So what is your opinion? Is astrology a pudding >>>>>> The proof of the pudding,as they say is in eating it...not discussing how it is made...<<<<< < and not a science?We in the forum is discussing about the preparation of principles and not eating them like blind faith.So you can pickup any `basic' principle of KP like dasha, aspect, exalted, ascendant and so on. Choice is yours with your logical answers and I will like to learn after solving my logical queries. Thus we can be able to improve our skill and knowledge. Remember nothing is personal as you have not formulated the principles of KP.Thanks,Yours truly,SanatPS : Silent members may please take active part in any interaction with their views. Because only then, they can be able to sharpen their stand and other members may also be benefited. They may take any earlier point too, discussed and mentioned in various SOA_______ files in file section. Other SOA files are in the pipe line.From the various SOA______ files innocent and ignorant members, who are not professional astrologers or blind supporter of predictive astrology, may see that not a single astrologer is coming forward with their logical and scientific explanation. Supporters of predictive astrology may invite their personal friends, friends of other forum to have a open discussion on the principles of astrology. Because they can learn astrology anywhere but its scientific aspect can only be discussed in this forum, where every one with any views is welcome unlike other forums.Krishnamurty Ji, has not provided supplementary information in support of his principle on diabetes. , Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1@. ..> wrote:>> Dear Sanat,>                 The Ruling Planets theory is the essence of the late K.S.Krishnamurthiji ,which had crowned him with unprecedented success and fame...>                 Briefly, FIVE PLANETS rule any moment of time at any given moment...They are : in order of strength The Star-lord of the Ascendant rising at the moment,it's sign-lord,the Moon's star-lord at that moment,it's sign-lord and the lord of the day...these 5 planets,as per K.P., rule any given moment of time...Later, the sub-lord of the Ascendant and the Moon's sub-lord were also added...making it 7 planets who rule any given moment of Time...>                  In the the same way,Ruling Planets (at Birth),of any living person are determined.. .and it has been demonstrated on umpteen occasions that these RPs play a definite role in every major event that takes place in the pesons entire life-time...>                   There are many other ways when the RPs play a mysterious role...in fructification of an event,such that one can boldly predict exactly when a particular event will take place,even at what time etc...very accurately,by a K.P. stalwart...and so on...>                   This small little wonderful discovery has made K.P. the most accurate method of prognostication. ..>                    For example it is now an established fact that the RPs ruling at the start of any endeavour will also rule,though not necessarily in the same order of strength...at the time of accomplishment. ..>                   The RPs at Birth of an individual will also rule the moment of his death...! This has been verified by KSK and his discples/students in numberless cases....>                   Only K.P. can explain the different careers/professions /structures/ sex of each,in the case of twin births...born separated by a few minutes of each other's birth...>                    No other astrological system so far invented can predict this with such accuracy as K.P. can...     >                   I definitely can provide you with a number of my prdeictions which came true to the exact date,as predicted... and every issue of the excellent Magazine K.P. & Astrology, has been publishing and continues to,several correct predictions by students as well as adepts...! >                    The proof of the pudding,as they say is in eating it...not discussing how it is made.... ! ! >                   With best wishes and kind regards,>                    L.Y.Rao. >                                                 GOOD LUCK !            >                  > > > > sanat2221 <sanatkumar_ jain> > Monday, 5 May, 2008 11:16:07 PM> Re: Astrology : faith or fiction> > > Resp. Rao Ji,> Namaskar,> Thanks for your first msg and hope we will be able to find many more > msgs in future.> > Let us take your first sentence.> >>>>> Astrology is definitely NOT a myth.<<<<<> I can presume that it is your opinion and experience; and you want to > support it with your past demonstration. Suppose one individual > (fanatic in your opinion) says that it is coincidence or say it is > myth based on his experience; and you stand with your sentence that > astrology is not a myth. So where is the conclusion?> > Actually at this point you both departed from each other without in-> depth digging in support of any stand and informing each other about > the basics behind any stand. Because, analysis of astrological > principles requires a systematic and unbiased approach. But > unfortunately we always try to discuss our own experience instead of > discussing about the validity or reasonability of astrological > principles it-self. You may have seen from past msgs. that how > members try to jump from one question to another without sticking to > one point for final analysis and conclusion (that's why I have > devised the system of SOA_______). This is the tactics used by > supporters and point of dispute gets diluted and takes some other > direction. But in this forum, which is only one and first too, we are > trying to analyze every point related to predictive astrology with > discussion and exchange of views till some conclusion may be drawn by > the members from SOA__ files.> > So we come back to your point. With the help of Ruling planet (KP > system) you forecasted about the exact time (say any incident). It > means whenever that socalled planet will be ruling planet that > incident will occur. What do you say? (My next comment is reserved > for next msg.)> > Or we may take it otherwise. Horoscope of an individual is fixed, > transit of planet is fixed, principle of ruling planet or dasha etc. > is fixed. Thus when ingredients are fixed it means result or forecast > or conclusion is also fixed. What do you say? (My next comment is > reserved for next msg.)> > Members are always invited to share their views, because members can > learn the astrology from anywhere but can discuss only in this forum. > So feel free to share your view, question etc.> > Sh Rao Ji, will you please like to give some resume about your-self > to have a proper image for answering? At least I can forecast that > you are a professional astrologer hence I hope to have very strong > logic in your support.> > Thanks,> > Yours truly,> sanat> > , "L.Y.Rao." <lyrastro1@ ..> > wrote:> >> > Dear Ramjee & Sanat Kumar,> > Astrology is definitely NOT a > > myth...Increasingly ,learned and experienced astrologers ALL over > the > > world have proved this,by their sometimes uncannily correct > > prognostications, but, under the excuse of "the proofs NOT > > being 'scientific enough' whatever that may puport to mean"...the > so-> > called "scientists" have all ganged up,or so it seems,to singularly > > target astrology... . as not being scientific and relegating it to the > > status of a myth...and malign it...> > I have had a few occassions to > demonstrate > > to such "Scientific- minded pseudo-intellectual s",with the help of > the > > RULING PLANETS...the almost exact time of arrival of their children > > from school or their servant sent on an errand...etc. .. but > > unfortunately they are so FANATIC that the dismiss these as mere > > coincidences. ..How more illogical can they get ?> > Be that as it may,don't you all think > that > > people like Prof.. Narlikar or people like him,be drafted in as > members> > inorder to provide strong "so-called scientific arguments" for > > experienced astrologers to refute LOGICALLY and with "LIVE" > examples.?> > With best wishes,> > L.Y.Rao.> > > > >> > > Dear Sri Sanatkumar ji,> > > > > > > > > At the outset I would like to > > bring to your notice that any discussion is possible only when one > > knows the subject. But what I find from the file section, most of > the > > writers have preconceived projudice for or against Astrology. If we > > want some healthy discussion on the subject let us chalk out > certain > > plans. For example we may dicuss primary differences between > > astronomy and astrology viz. Raghu And Kethu, these two are not > > planets or sattalites, but astrologers give importance to these > nodes > > HOW & WHY> > > > > > Let us hear frm our friends> > > > > > sanat2221 <sanatkumar_ jain@> wrote:> > > > > > > > > Resp Dr. Bhashyam Ji,> > > Namaskar,> > > Why you think like> > > "As and when I am able to, I will certainly join the discussion."> > > Because members can learn astrology from anywhere but this is the > > > only forum where members can freely discuss the principles of > > > astrology. Hence you can also very well discuss or give your > > opinion > > > on any point. > > > > > > Hope to have your comments on "astrology a science or myth" in > file > > > section. From your comments members will take a queue and will > come > > > forward. You may also call your other astrologer friends for > > > interaction.> > > > > > Thanks> > > Yours truly,> > > sanat> > > > > > PS:> > > > > > Ms. Dipika Ji, we are not receiving your msg. and comments on > > various > > > points> > > Sh.Krishnamurthy Ji, I am awaiting your reply on your principle > of > > > diabetes for further interaction.> > > Sh. Bala ji, You have not raised any point after Nadishastra. > Have > > > you seen the working? Pl. inform me, so that I may now offer my > > > comments as no one has offered their comments. You can share your > > > other experience of astrology too.> > > Econdude : rejoinder on my observation on affect of planets is > > > awaited. Are you satisfied with my observation.> > > > > > Members who are in favour of predictive astrology must come > forward > > > with their experience and they may call their personal friends > too > > in > > > this forum.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ---> > > Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with > Mobile. > > Try it now.> > >> >> > > > > From Chandigarh to Chennai - find friends all over India. Go to http://in.promos. / groups/citygroup s/> From Chandigarh to Chennai - find friends all over India. Looking for the perfect gift? Give the gift of Flickr! Unlimited freedom, unlimited storage. Get it now Ask a question on any topic and get answers from real people. Go to Answers. Best Jokes, Best Friends, Best Food. Get all this and more on Best of . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 9, 2008 Report Share Posted May 9, 2008 Resp. Rao Ji, Namaskar, I find your three msgs. But you have not answered any question except self boosting and use of filthy language. Even the tone of your msg. is not like an educated person. I am not talking about the language used against me, but I am referring the language which you have used against our resp. members like Dr. Bhashyam Ji, or another resp. lady members like Ms. Dipika Ji and another Ms. Sheetal Ji, who is perhaps not a member in the forum (but I will like to invite her if you or some one inform me email). I am keeping a note of your language. Moreover there is no question of loyalty. As I have not purchased any one nor I have given some money to some one (which is the policy of America, where you are living). So first of all be polite and learn to face opposite views, learn to write in a forum, learn to behave with elders, learn to address any lady…….. It is not a street fight where you can use any language or shoot a person (as a common practice in USA). Hence I am again quoting a para of welcome note which you may have received in the very beginning and hope in future you will write properly and academically. " I also want to inform you that this forum is intended to unearth the science of astrology hence interaction is totally academic and may never be taken as personal. Because it is natural that we may have difference of opinion but there must be no personal difference, and try to strongly convince the members with your stand, logic, scientific concept etc., but never use insulting or filthy language, as is being done in many other forums. Thus give regard to get regard for maintaining a healthy academic atmosphere. " Now I will give answers to your 3 msgs. If you want to show your superiority and want to intimate that you are living in USA and your fee is 60$ and your time is precious and you require money before any answer and so on then this information can also be provided in a very simple manner instead of using a msg with high tone. Resp Rao ji, If you are living in USA, it does not mean that we, who are living in India have no mind, or have plenty time for writing useless msgs and so useless that we cant pay your 60$ for knowing the future. There are lot of peoples who can give you lot of money for your services. And actually you must not waste your time for meager 60 $ if you are so confident about your prediction. You may immediately contact Randy foundation, who is very much in USA and ready give an award of one million $. You can find their email and other details in a file " Astrology a science or myth " lying in file section along with many other information. But I, after reading astrology (including your 6 readers of KP) during last 40 years and writing two original books on astrology know that it is totally bogus without any scientific basis (You can also refer file " Eskain horoscope " which includes KP also and software of this Horoscope was developed by me personally). Thus you can very well imagine that if I can do that much labour then I can easily cheat innocent public too and can earn through this cheating business. Yes, by the way my English book " Astrology a science or myth " is being marketed by Amazon and others (see website in above referred file) in USA, UK etc. and cost of the book is also 60$. This book also covers your KP and after reading original 450 research based pages of the book (which may take more then one year to read), you can find that how it is bogus (front page of the book is signature picture of the forum). Since first publication of the book in 2003 (Hindi) not a single astrologer (including follower of KP) has come forward in support of principles of predictive astrology despite my personal information to them. Contrary to this many of them, after reading the book, have admitted in personal meeting that astrology is bogus. If you are not willing to spend that much amount then please inform me. I will ask the publisher to provide some concession. I also know that most of the Americans, do not even know the difference between the astronomy and astrology. Hence you can continue with your business (at least you are not befooling Indians) and why don't you contact President Bush and advice him about Laden and other problems hovering over his head, with the help of KP. KP (or Indian astrology) will not be regarded as science at least by me, merely by your shouting; until unless you are able to convince others. Actually you have wasted your time in writing msgs. without any answer to my previous pointed queries, otherwise I would have been able to inform you (or raise) some more points. I hope henceforth you will write your msg (without $) as an academic discussion, with good language, if you have plenty of time or depute some one else for this job or can do this job through outsourcing. Actually there is nothing in your msg. on which I may have to answer. Thus my previous questions are pending. Yes, please do not serve a dish (predictive astrology) without disclosing the content of the pudding (principle of predictive astrology) and do not try to feed junk food with " The proof of the pudding,as they say is in eating it...not discussing how it is made... ! ! " , because poisonous pudding may be dangerous to life. As " PREDICTIVE ASTROLOGY IS DENGEROUS TO SELF CONFIDENCE " . Thanks, Yours truly, Sanat PS : Ms. Dipika Ji, if you know about Ms. Sheetal then please ask her to join the forum. We are waiting for your comments on various msg. , Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1 wrote: > > Dear Sanat, >                   You do not seem to know what you are writing about... >                   If you want me to answer your queries,pl. send me US $ 60/- my usual fees for analysing a horoscope...else I cannot spare to answer silly questions based on half-baked knowledge of K.P., and even,I suspect,traditional astrology also...My time is precious... >                    You may send the money by Western Union or Thomas Cook & Co., or by a bank draft payable at a Mumbai Bank... >                   In the meanwhile study K.P. from the 6 readers that are available in the US...and then , > if yo can understand it ask questions... >                   A prejudiced mind will,I'm afraid not allow you to be fairminded at all... >                   Send the money and then talk... >                    L.Y.Rao. >                   > > > > > sanat2221 <sanatkumar_jain > > Wednesday, 7 May, 2008 11:20:36 PM > Re: Astrology : faith or fiction > > > > Resp. Rao Ji, > Namaskar, > Thanks for your msg. > Though you have praised a lot about your prediction based on KP. > Praising your prediction skill is useful in luring your ignorant, > innocent clients but here I want to have some serious discussion. You > have not answered my earlier points. > > " " So we come back to your point. With the help of Ruling planet (KP > system) you forecasted about the exact time (say any incident). It > means whenever that socalled planet will be ruling planet that > incident will occur. What do you say? (My next comment is reserved > for next msg.) > > Or we may take it otherwise. Horoscope of an individual is fixed, > transit of planet is fixed, principle of ruling planet or dasha etc. > is fixed. Thus when ingredients are fixed it means result or forecast > or conclusion is also fixed. What do you say? (My next comment is > reserved for next msg.) " " > > I have also studied KP and you can see that I have even fused it > along with other principles in Eskain horoscope (available in file > section). > > When you have many RP then it is only a matter of chance to select a > planet, sometime, out of 7 planets. Like many other North Indian > astrologers or western astrologers you have claimed to forecast a > correct incident. But like all other astrologers you are not > disclosing the failures of your prediction, which may be 50% or more. > > Regarding your statement " which had crowned him with unprecedented > success and fame " , I will like to say with all my regards to > K.S.Krishnamurthiji that fame and success has nothing to do with > correctness. You may have seen many famous cheaters too. So forget > about the success or fame. We are concerned with analysis of > predictive principles. > > By your statement " RPs at Birth of an individual will also rule the > moment of his death. " we can at the most say that it is the magic of > astrology (where we see that an egg is coming out from the hat of a > magician but how; that we don't know and purchasing that hat in the > hope of more eggs). Because there are many RP at the time of birth > likewise many RP at the time of death. Hence it is quite natural that > out of only 7 planets some planet will match. For any demo any one > can easily find matching planets but now where is the prediction. Do > you want to say that RP (any one out of many) of birth time will > never be RP till death and suddenly it will be RP at the time of > death? > > Can you distinguish a sex of various horoscopes? At the most you can > say that time of birth is not correct. But suppose after manipulating > time of birth and matching with sex can you forecast time of death > based on your RP theory. > > Concept of KP (lord, sublord etc) is only based on Vinshottary dasha. > In VD we used to draw Dasha, antar, prat, sukshm dasha of planets > linked with const. and in KP we used reverse process and term them as > lord, sublord after linking them with const. So it is not a new > concept but a old concept in new shape. > > So what is your opinion? Is astrology a pudding >>>>>> The proof of > the pudding,as they say is in eating it...not discussing how it is > made...<<<<< < and not a science? > > We in the forum is discussing about the preparation of principles and > not eating them like blind faith. > > So you can pickup any `basic' principle of KP like dasha, aspect, > exalted, ascendant and so on. Choice is yours with your logical > answers and I will like to learn after solving my logical queries. > Thus we can be able to improve our skill and knowledge. > > Remember nothing is personal as you have not formulated the > principles of KP. > > Thanks, > > Yours truly, > Sanat > > PS : Silent members may please take active part in any interaction > with their views. Because only then, they can be able to sharpen > their stand and other members may also be benefited. They may take > any earlier point too, discussed and mentioned in various SOA_______ > files in file section. Other SOA files are in the pipe line. > > From the various SOA______ files innocent and ignorant members, who > are not professional astrologers or blind supporter of predictive > astrology, may see that not a single astrologer is coming forward > with their logical and scientific explanation. Supporters of > predictive astrology may invite their personal friends, friends of > other forum to have a open discussion on the principles of astrology. > Because they can learn astrology anywhere but its scientific aspect > can only be discussed in this forum, where every one with any views > is welcome unlike other forums. > > Krishnamurty Ji, has not provided supplementary information in > support of his principle on diabetes. > > , Yogesh Rao Lajmi > <lyrastro1@ ..> wrote: > > > > Dear Sanat, > >                 The Ruling Planets theory is the > essence of the late K.S.Krishnamurthiji ,which had crowned him with > unprecedented success and fame... > >                 Briefly, FIVE PLANETS rule any > moment of time at any given moment...They are : in order of strength > The Star-lord of the Ascendant rising at the moment,it's sign- > lord,the Moon's star-lord at that moment,it's sign-lord and the lord > of the day...these 5 planets,as per K.P., rule any given moment of > time...Later, the sub-lord of the Ascendant and the Moon's sub-lord > were also added...making it 7 planets who rule any given moment of > Time... > >                  In the the same way,Ruling > Planets (at Birth),of any living person are determined.. .and it has > been demonstrated on umpteen occasions that these RPs play a definite > role in every major event that takes place in the pesons entire life- > time... > >                  Â  There are many other ways when > the RPs play a mysterious role...in fructification of an event,such > that one can boldly predict exactly when a particular event will take > place,even at what time etc...very accurately,by a K.P. > stalwart...and so on... > >                  Â  This small little wonderful > discovery has made K.P. the most accurate method of prognostication. .. > >                  Â  Â For example it is now an > established fact that the RPs ruling at the start of any endeavour > will also rule,though not necessarily in the same order of > strength...at the time of accomplishment. .. > >                  Â  The RPs at Birth of an > individual will also rule the moment of his death...! This has been > verified by KSK and his discples/students in numberless cases... > >                  Â  Only K.P. can explain the > different careers/professions /structures/ sex of each,in the case of > twin births...born separated by a few minutes of each other's birth... > >                  Â  Â No other astrological system > so far invented can predict this with such accuracy as K.P. > can...     > >                  Â  I definitely can provide you > with a number of my prdeictions which came true to the exact date,as > predicted... and every issue of the excellent Magazine K.P. & > Astrology, has been publishing and continues to,several correct > predictions by students as well as adepts...! > >                  Â  Â The proof of the pudding,as > they say is in eating it...not discussing how it is made... ! ! > >                  Â  With best wishes and kind > regards, > >                  Â  Â L.Y.Rao. > > >                  Â  Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â >              GOOD LUCK !             > >                  > > > > > > > > sanat2221 <sanatkumar_ jain@> > > > > Monday, 5 May, 2008 11:16:07 PM > > Re: Astrology : faith or fiction > > > > > > Resp. Rao Ji, > > Namaskar, > > Thanks for your first msg and hope we will be able to find many > more > > msgs in future. > > > > Let us take your first sentence. > > >>>>> Astrology is definitely NOT a myth.<<<<< > > I can presume that it is your opinion and experience; and you want > to > > support it with your past demonstration. Suppose one individual > > (fanatic in your opinion) says that it is coincidence or say it is > > myth based on his experience; and you stand with your sentence that > > astrology is not a myth. So where is the conclusion? > > > > Actually at this point you both departed from each other without in- > > depth digging in support of any stand and informing each other > about > > the basics behind any stand. Because, analysis of astrological > > principles requires a systematic and unbiased approach. But > > unfortunately we always try to discuss our own experience instead > of > > discussing about the validity or reasonability of astrological > > principles it-self. You may have seen from past msgs. that how > > members try to jump from one question to another without sticking > to > > one point for final analysis and conclusion (that's why I have > > devised the system of SOA_______). This is the tactics used by > > supporters and point of dispute gets diluted and takes some other > > direction. But in this forum, which is only one and first too, we > are > > trying to analyze every point related to predictive astrology with > > discussion and exchange of views till some conclusion may be drawn > by > > the members from SOA__ files. > > > > So we come back to your point. With the help of Ruling planet (KP > > system) you forecasted about the exact time (say any incident). It > > means whenever that socalled planet will be ruling planet that > > incident will occur. What do you say? (My next comment is reserved > > for next msg.) > > > > Or we may take it otherwise. Horoscope of an individual is fixed, > > transit of planet is fixed, principle of ruling planet or dasha > etc. > > is fixed. Thus when ingredients are fixed it means result or > forecast > > or conclusion is also fixed. What do you say? (My next comment is > > reserved for next msg.) > > > > Members are always invited to share their views, because members > can > > learn the astrology from anywhere but can discuss only in this > forum. > > So feel free to share your view, question etc. > > > > Sh Rao Ji, will you please like to give some resume about your- self > > to have a proper image for answering? At least I can forecast that > > you are a professional astrologer hence I hope to have very strong > > logic in your support. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Yours truly, > > sanat > > > > , " L.Y.Rao. " > <lyrastro1@ ..> > > wrote: > > > > > > Dear Ramjee & Sanat Kumar, > > > Astrology is definitely NOT a > > > myth...Increasingly ,learned and experienced astrologers ALL over > > the > > > world have proved this,by their sometimes uncannily correct > > > prognostications, but, under the excuse of " the proofs NOT > > > being 'scientific enough' whatever that may puport to mean " ...the > > so- > > > called " scientists " have all ganged up,or so it seems,to > singularly > > > target astrology... as not being scientific and relegating it to > the > > > status of a myth...and malign it... > > > I have had a few occassions to > > demonstrate > > > to such " Scientific- minded pseudo-intellectual s " ,with the help > of > > the > > > RULING PLANETS...the almost exact time of arrival of their > children > > > from school or their servant sent on an errand...etc. .. but > > > unfortunately they are so FANATIC that the dismiss these as mere > > > coincidences. ..How more illogical can they get ? > > > Be that as it may,don't you all think > > that > > > people like Prof. Narlikar or people like him,be drafted in as > > members > > > inorder to provide strong " so-called scientific arguments " for > > > experienced astrologers to refute LOGICALLY and with " LIVE " > > examples.? > > > With best wishes, > > > L.Y.Rao. > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sri Sanatkumar ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > At the outset I would like to > > > bring to your notice that any discussion is possible only when > one > > > knows the subject. But what I find from the file section, most of > > the > > > writers have preconceived projudice for or against Astrology. If > we > > > want some healthy discussion on the subject let us chalk out > > certain > > > plans. For example we may dicuss primary differences between > > > astronomy and astrology viz. Raghu And Kethu, these two are not > > > planets or sattalites, but astrologers give importance to these > > nodes > > > HOW & WHY > > > > > > > > Let us hear frm our friends > > > > > > > > sanat2221 <sanatkumar_ jain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Resp Dr. Bhashyam Ji, > > > > Namaskar, > > > > Why you think like > > > > " As and when I am able to, I will certainly join the > discussion. " > > > > Because members can learn astrology from anywhere but this is > the > > > > only forum where members can freely discuss the principles of > > > > astrology. Hence you can also very well discuss or give your > > > opinion > > > > on any point. > > > > > > > > Hope to have your comments on " astrology a science or myth " in > > file > > > > section. From your comments members will take a queue and will > > come > > > > forward. You may also call your other astrologer friends for > > > > interaction. > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > Yours truly, > > > > sanat > > > > > > > > PS: > > > > > > > > Ms. Dipika Ji, we are not receiving your msg. and comments on > > > various > > > > points > > > > Sh.Krishnamurthy Ji, I am awaiting your reply on your principle > > of > > > > diabetes for further interaction. > > > > Sh. Bala ji, You have not raised any point after Nadishastra. > > Have > > > > you seen the working? Pl. inform me, so that I may now offer my > > > > comments as no one has offered their comments. You can share > your > > > > other experience of astrology too. > > > > Econdude : rejoinder on my observation on affect of planets is > > > > awaited. Are you satisfied with my observation. > > > > > > > > Members who are in favour of predictive astrology must come > > forward > > > > with their experience and they may call their personal friends > > too > > > in > > > > this forum. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --- > > > > Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with > > Mobile. > > > Try it now. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From Chandigarh to Chennai - find friends all over India. Go > to http://in.promos. / groups/citygroup s/ > > > > > > > Did you know? You can CHAT without downloading messenger. Go to http://in.messenger./webmessengerpromo.php/ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 9, 2008 Report Share Posted May 9, 2008 Dear Sanat, CLIMB A TREE & WHISTLE... L.Y.Rao. sanat2221 <sanatkumar_jain Sent: Friday, 9 May, 2008 11:04:53 PM Re: Astrology : faith or fiction Resp. Rao Ji,Namaskar,I find your three msgs. But you have not answered any question except self boosting and use of filthy language. Even the tone of your msg. is not like an educated person. I am not talking about the language used against me, but I am referring the language which you have used against our resp. members like Dr. Bhashyam Ji, or another resp. lady members like Ms. Dipika Ji and another Ms. Sheetal Ji, who is perhaps not a member in the forum (but I will like to invite her if you or some one inform me email). I am keeping a note of your language. Moreover there is no question of loyalty. As I have not purchased any one nor I have given some money to some one (which is the policy of America, where you are living).So first of all be polite and learn to face opposite views, learn to write in a forum, learn to behave with elders, learn to address any lady…….. It is not a street fight where you can use any language or shoot a person (as a common practice in USA). Hence I am again quoting a para of welcome note which you may have received in the very beginning and hope in future you will write properly and academically."I also want to inform you that this forum is intended to unearth the science of astrology hence interaction is totally academic and may never be taken as personal. Because it is natural that we may have difference of opinion but there must be no personal difference, and try to strongly convince the members with your stand, logic, scientific concept etc., but never use insulting or filthy language, as is being done in many other forums. Thus give regard to get regard for maintaining a healthy academic atmosphere."Now I will give answers to your 3 msgs. If you want to show your superiority and want to intimate that you are living in USA and your fee is 60$ and your time is precious and you require money before any answer and so on then this information can also be provided in a very simple manner instead of using a msg with high tone.Resp Rao ji, If you are living in USA, it does not mean that we, who are living in India have no mind, or have plenty time for writing useless msgs and so useless that we cant pay your 60$ for knowing the future. There are lot of peoples who can give you lot of money for your services. And actually you must not waste your time for meager 60$ if you are so confident about your prediction. You may immediately contact Randy foundation, who is very much in USA and ready give an award of one million $. You can find their email and other details in a file "Astrology a science or myth" lying in file section along with many other information. But I, after reading astrology (including your 6 readers of KP) during last 40 years and writing two original books on astrology know that it is totally bogus without any scientific basis (You can also refer file "Eskain horoscope" which includes KP also and software of this Horoscope was developed by me personally). Thus you can very well imagine that if I can do that much labour then I can easily cheat innocent public too and can earn through this cheating business. Yes, by the way my English book "Astrology a science or myth" is being marketed by Amazon and others (see website in above referred file) in USA, UK etc. and cost of the book is also 60$. This book also covers your KP and after reading original 450 research based pages of the book (which may take more then one year to read), you can find that how it is bogus (front page of the book is signature picture of the forum). Since first publication of the book in 2003 (Hindi) not a single astrologer (including follower of KP) has come forward in support of principles of predictive astrology despite my personal information to them. Contrary to this many of them, after reading the book, have admitted in personal meeting that astrology is bogus. If you are not willing to spend that much amount then please inform me. I will ask the publisher to provide some concession. I also know that most of the Americans, do not even know the difference between the astronomy and astrology. Hence you can continue with your business (at least you are not befooling Indians) and why don't you contact President Bush and advice him about Laden and other problems hovering over his head, with the help of KP.KP (or Indian astrology) will not be regarded as science at least by me, merely by your shouting; until unless you are able to convince others. Actually you have wasted your time in writing msgs. without any answer to my previous pointed queries, otherwise I would have been able to inform you (or raise) some more points.I hope henceforth you will write your msg (without $) as an academic discussion, with good language, if you have plenty of time or depute some one else for this job or can do this job through outsourcing.Actually there is nothing in your msg. on which I may have to answer. Thus my previous questions are pending. Yes, please do not serve a dish (predictive astrology) without disclosing the content of the pudding (principle of predictive astrology) and do not try to feed junk food with " The proof of the pudding,as they say is in eating it...not discussing how it is made... ! !", because poisonous pudding may be dangerous to life. As "PREDICTIVE ASTROLOGY IS DENGEROUS TO SELF CONFIDENCE".Thanks,Yours truly,SanatPS : Ms. Dipika Ji, if you know about Ms. Sheetal then please ask her to join the forum. We are waiting for your comments on various msg., Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1@. ..> wrote:>> Dear Sanat,>                   You do not seem to know what you are writing about...>                   If you want me to answer your queries,pl. send me US $ 60/- my usual fees for analysing a horoscope... else I cannot spare to answer silly questions based on half-baked knowledge of K.P., and even,I suspect,traditional astrology also...My time is precious...>                    You may send the money by Western Union or Thomas Cook & Co., or by a bank draft payable at a Mumbai Bank...>                   In the meanwhile study K.P. from the 6 readers that are available in the US...and then ,> if yo can understand it ask questions...>                   A prejudiced mind will,I'm afraid not allow you to be fairminded at all...>                   Send the money and then talk...>                    L.Y.Rao.>                   > > > > > sanat2221 <sanatkumar_ jain> > Wednesday, 7 May, 2008 11:20:36 PM> Re: Astrology : faith or fiction> > > > Resp. Rao Ji,> Namaskar,> Thanks for your msg.> Though you have praised a lot about your prediction based on KP. > Praising your prediction skill is useful in luring your ignorant, > innocent clients but here I want to have some serious discussion. You > have not answered my earlier points.> > ""So we come back to your point. With the help of Ruling planet (KP > system) you forecasted about the exact time (say any incident). It > means whenever that socalled planet will be ruling planet that > incident will occur. What do you say? (My next comment is reserved > for next msg.)> > Or we may take it otherwise. Horoscope of an individual is fixed, > transit of planet is fixed, principle of ruling planet or dasha etc. > is fixed. Thus when ingredients are fixed it means result or forecast > or conclusion is also fixed. What do you say? (My next comment is > reserved for next msg.)""> > I have also studied KP and you can see that I have even fused it > along with other principles in Eskain horoscope (available in file > section).> > When you have many RP then it is only a matter of chance to select a > planet, sometime, out of 7 planets. Like many other North Indian > astrologers or western astrologers you have claimed to forecast a > correct incident. But like all other astrologers you are not > disclosing the failures of your prediction, which may be 50% or more.> > Regarding your statement "which had crowned him with unprecedented > success and fame", I will like to say with all my regards to > K.S.Krishnamurthiji that fame and success has nothing to do with > correctness. You may have seen many famous cheaters too. So forget > about the success or fame. We are concerned with analysis of > predictive principles.> > By your statement "RPs at Birth of an individual will also rule the > moment of his death." we can at the most say that it is the magic of > astrology (where we see that an egg is coming out from the hat of a > magician but how; that we don't know and purchasing that hat in the > hope of more eggs). Because there are many RP at the time of birth > likewise many RP at the time of death. Hence it is quite natural that > out of only 7 planets some planet will match. For any demo any one > can easily find matching planets but now where is the prediction. Do > you want to say that RP (any one out of many) of birth time will > never be RP till death and suddenly it will be RP at the time of > death? > > Can you distinguish a sex of various horoscopes? At the most you can > say that time of birth is not correct. But suppose after manipulating > time of birth and matching with sex can you forecast time of death > based on your RP theory.> > Concept of KP (lord, sublord etc) is only based on Vinshottary dasha. > In VD we used to draw Dasha, antar, prat, sukshm dasha of planets > linked with const. and in KP we used reverse process and term them as > lord, sublord after linking them with const. So it is not a new > concept but a old concept in new shape.> > So what is your opinion? Is astrology a pudding >>>>>> The proof of > the pudding,as they say is in eating it...not discussing how it is > made...<<<<< < and not a science?> > We in the forum is discussing about the preparation of principles and > not eating them like blind faith.> > So you can pickup any `basic' principle of KP like dasha, aspect, > exalted, ascendant and so on. Choice is yours with your logical > answers and I will like to learn after solving my logical queries. > Thus we can be able to improve our skill and knowledge. > > Remember nothing is personal as you have not formulated the > principles of KP.> > Thanks,> > Yours truly,> Sanat> > PS : Silent members may please take active part in any interaction > with their views. Because only then, they can be able to sharpen > their stand and other members may also be benefited. They may take > any earlier point too, discussed and mentioned in various SOA_______ > files in file section. Other SOA files are in the pipe line.> > From the various SOA______ files innocent and ignorant members, who > are not professional astrologers or blind supporter of predictive > astrology, may see that not a single astrologer is coming forward > with their logical and scientific explanation. Supporters of > predictive astrology may invite their personal friends, friends of > other forum to have a open discussion on the principles of astrology. > Because they can learn astrology anywhere but its scientific aspect > can only be discussed in this forum, where every one with any views > is welcome unlike other forums.> > Krishnamurty Ji, has not provided supplementary information in > support of his principle on diabetes. > > , Yogesh Rao Lajmi > <lyrastro1@ ..> wrote:> >> > Dear Sanat,> >                 The Ruling Planets theory is the > essence of the late K.S.Krishnamurthiji ,which had crowned him with > unprecedented success and fame...> >                 Briefly, FIVE PLANETS rule any > moment of time at any given moment...They are : in order of strength > The Star-lord of the Ascendant rising at the moment,it's sign-> lord,the Moon's star-lord at that moment,it's sign-lord and the lord > of the day...these 5 planets,as per K.P., rule any given moment of > time...Later, the sub-lord of the Ascendant and the Moon's sub-lord > were also added...making it 7 planets who rule any given moment of > Time...> >                  In the the same way,Ruling > Planets (at Birth),of any living person are determined.. .and it has > been demonstrated on umpteen occasions that these RPs play a definite > role in every major event that takes place in the pesons entire life-> time...> >                   There are many other ways when > the RPs play a mysterious role...in fructification of an event,such > that one can boldly predict exactly when a particular event will take > place,even at what time etc...very accurately,by a K.P. > stalwart...and so on...> >                   This small little wonderful > discovery has made K.P. the most accurate method of prognostication. ..> >                    For example it is now an > established fact that the RPs ruling at the start of any endeavour > will also rule,though not necessarily in the same order of > strength...at the time of accomplishment. ..> >                   The RPs at Birth of an > individual will also rule the moment of his death...! This has been > verified by KSK and his discples/students in numberless cases...> >                   Only K.P. can explain the > different careers/professions /structures/ sex of each,in the case of > twin births...born separated by a few minutes of each other's birth...> >                    No other astrological system > so far invented can predict this with such accuracy as K.P. > can...     > >                   I definitely can provide you > with a number of my prdeictions which came true to the exact date,as > predicted... and every issue of the excellent Magazine K.P. & > Astrology, has been publishing and continues to,several correct > predictions by students as well as adepts...! > >                    The proof of the pudding,as > they say is in eating it...not discussing how it is made... ! ! > >                   With best wishes and kind > regards,> >                    L.Y.Rao. > > >                                    >              GOOD LUCK !            > >                  > > > > > > > > sanat2221 <sanatkumar_ jain@>> > > > Monday, 5 May, 2008 11:16:07 PM> > Re: Astrology : faith or fiction> > > > > > Resp. Rao Ji,> > Namaskar,> > Thanks for your first msg and hope we will be able to find many > more > > msgs in future.> > > > Let us take your first sentence.> > >>>>> Astrology is definitely NOT a myth.<<<<<> > I can presume that it is your opinion and experience; and you want > to > > support it with your past demonstration. Suppose one individual > > (fanatic in your opinion) says that it is coincidence or say it is > > myth based on his experience; and you stand with your sentence that > > astrology is not a myth. So where is the conclusion?> > > > Actually at this point you both departed from each other without in-> > depth digging in support of any stand and informing each other > about > > the basics behind any stand. Because, analysis of astrological > > principles requires a systematic and unbiased approach. But > > unfortunately we always try to discuss our own experience instead > of > > discussing about the validity or reasonability of astrological > > principles it-self. You may have seen from past msgs. that how > > members try to jump from one question to another without sticking > to > > one point for final analysis and conclusion (that's why I have > > devised the system of SOA_______). This is the tactics used by > > supporters and point of dispute gets diluted and takes some other > > direction. But in this forum, which is only one and first too, we > are > > trying to analyze every point related to predictive astrology with > > discussion and exchange of views till some conclusion may be drawn > by > > the members from SOA__ files.> > > > So we come back to your point. With the help of Ruling planet (KP > > system) you forecasted about the exact time (say any incident). It > > means whenever that socalled planet will be ruling planet that > > incident will occur. What do you say? (My next comment is reserved > > for next msg.)> > > > Or we may take it otherwise. Horoscope of an individual is fixed, > > transit of planet is fixed, principle of ruling planet or dasha > etc. > > is fixed. Thus when ingredients are fixed it means result or > forecast > > or conclusion is also fixed. What do you say? (My next comment is > > reserved for next msg.)> > > > Members are always invited to share their views, because members > can > > learn the astrology from anywhere but can discuss only in this > forum. > > So feel free to share your view, question etc.> > > > Sh Rao Ji, will you please like to give some resume about your-self > > to have a proper image for answering? At least I can forecast that > > you are a professional astrologer hence I hope to have very strong > > logic in your support.> > > > Thanks,> > > > Yours truly,> > sanat> > > > , "L.Y.Rao." > <lyrastro1@ ..> > > wrote:> > >> > > Dear Ramjee & Sanat Kumar,> > > Astrology is definitely NOT a > > > myth...Increasingly ,learned and experienced astrologers ALL over > > the > > > world have proved this,by their sometimes uncannily correct > > > prognostications, but, under the excuse of "the proofs NOT > > > being 'scientific enough' whatever that may puport to mean"...the > > so-> > > called "scientists" have all ganged up,or so it seems,to > singularly > > > target astrology... as not being scientific and relegating it to > the > > > status of a myth...and malign it...> > > I have had a few occassions to > > demonstrate > > > to such "Scientific- minded pseudo-intellectual s",with the help > of > > the > > > RULING PLANETS...the almost exact time of arrival of their > children > > > from school or their servant sent on an errand...etc. .. but > > > unfortunately they are so FANATIC that the dismiss these as mere > > > coincidences. ..How more illogical can they get ?> > > Be that as it may,don't you all think > > that > > > people like Prof. Narlikar or people like him,be drafted in as > > members> > > inorder to provide strong "so-called scientific arguments" for > > > experienced astrologers to refute LOGICALLY and with "LIVE" > > examples.?> > > With best wishes,> > > L.Y.Rao.> > > > > > >> > > > Dear Sri Sanatkumar ji,> > > > > > > > > > > > At the outset I would like to > > > bring to your notice that any discussion is possible only when > one > > > knows the subject. But what I find from the file section, most of > > the > > > writers have preconceived projudice for or against Astrology. If > we > > > want some healthy discussion on the subject let us chalk out > > certain > > > plans. For example we may dicuss primary differences between > > > astronomy and astrology viz. Raghu And Kethu, these two are not > > > planets or sattalites, but astrologers give importance to these > > nodes > > > HOW & WHY> > > > > > > > Let us hear frm our friends> > > > > > > > sanat2221 <sanatkumar_ jain@> wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > Resp Dr. Bhashyam Ji,> > > > Namaskar,> > > > Why you think like> > > > "As and when I am able to, I will certainly join the > discussion."> > > > Because members can learn astrology from anywhere but this is > the > > > > only forum where members can freely discuss the principles of > > > > astrology. Hence you can also very well discuss or give your > > > opinion > > > > on any point. > > > > > > > > Hope to have your comments on "astrology a science or myth" in > > file > > > > section. From your comments members will take a queue and will > > come > > > > forward. You may also call your other astrologer friends for > > > > interaction.> > > > > > > > Thanks> > > > Yours truly,> > > > sanat> > > > > > > > PS:> > > > > > > > Ms. Dipika Ji, we are not receiving your msg. and comments on > > > various > > > > points> > > > Sh.Krishnamurthy Ji, I am awaiting your reply on your principle > > of > > > > diabetes for further interaction.> > > > Sh. Bala ji, You have not raised any point after Nadishastra. > > Have > > > > you seen the working? Pl. inform me, so that I may now offer my > > > > comments as no one has offered their comments. You can share > your > > > > other experience of astrology too.> > > > Econdude : rejoinder on my observation on affect of planets is > > > > awaited. Are you satisfied with my observation.> > > > > > > > Members who are in favour of predictive astrology must come > > forward > > > > with their experience and they may call their personal friends > > too > > > in > > > > this forum.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ---> > > > Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with > > Mobile. > > > Try it now.> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > From Chandigarh to Chennai - find friends all over India. Go > to http://in.promos. / groups/citygroup s/> >> > > > > Did you know? You can CHAT without downloading messenger. Go to http://in.messenger ./ webmessengerprom o.php/> Bollywood, fun, friendship, sports and more. You name it, we have it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 10, 2008 Report Share Posted May 10, 2008 Dear Mr Rao, Thanks for your kind mail and more so for sharing your very exciting and interesting journey in KP school of astrology.I do admire your dedication and respect your knowledge and expertise in predictive astrology and highly appreciate your impressive track record and attainments as a practicing astrologer.I wish you more success in coming days. I do not know as why you are always referring the group as mine and myself belonging to some coterie etc..For your kind information I hardly know any one in the group and joined it only to understand the nuances in astrology from the learned astrologers through their discussions and very informative posts. However, I must admit, I am throughly disappointed and feel sorry to have joined it.I am pretty sure this is not a forum where any meaningful discussion could ever take place in a civilised way without getting personal ,In fact the focus is more on attacking each other rather than the topic under discussion .In addition, expression of disappointment and request for moderation is branded as ' jumped into the fray', the less said is better. I have now decided to leave the group which I feel is in the best interest of both the group as well as myself. By leaving the group at least I will be relieved of reading messages in patently offensive language and the distinguished members of the group can merrily carry on their tirades against each other. While leaving I wish you and the group all the best.Regards,N Bhashyam Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1 wrote: Dear Dr.Bhashyam, Thank you for your informative mail... Discussions were made very subjective by your friend Sanat,and soon after,you jumped into the fray,as it were... I am just a B.Sc.,and I accidentally began studying astrology casually,as a pass time,in 1956...but began a serious study of Traditional Astrology,since my graduation in 1964...and switched over to Krishnamurthi Padhdhati since I met the late Shri K.S.Krishnamurthiji,in 1975-76. After thoroghly familiarising myself with all the rules,I began practising the practical application of K.P., while I was at Mumbai,as Dy.Gen Mgr. in M/s Raptakos Brett & Co. Ltd.,and used to successfuly tell my secretary exactly what time our peon will return from the bank...etc.,and except for the day of the bomb blasts in Mumbai,just opposite our Office...our peon did not return...but it so happenned that he was so scared that he went home...! That prompted me to probe the cause of /reason for failure and I was successful in identifying it...which further helped me to sharpen my skills further...and so on... I can assure you Dr.Bashyam that K.P. is scientific...and I have been able to get a score of 85-90 % correct predictions...(correct to the day,that is)... Personally I would be extremely glad to be of any help to you for a deep scientific investigation...but my knowledge of Mathematics is very poor... What are the parameters set for your research ? May be you might need to change them suitably, to obtain a tangible conclusion...? I would suggest that your group familiarises itself with the Basic Principles of K.P. and read the 6 Readers available authored by KSK himself...only ten will a thorough Modern and systematic investigation can be taken up...in the mean while, you are requested not to equate Traditional Astrology with K.P. With best wishes, L.Y.Rao. GOOD LUCK ! Dr N Bhashyam <drnbhashyam (AT) (DOT) ca> Cc: lyrastro1 (AT) (DOT) co.inSent: Friday, 9 May, 2008 4:04:30 PMRe: Re: Astrology : faith or fiction Dear Mr Rao, Thanks for your kind mail and your detailed elucidation. I joined this group expecting the discussion will around issues to with a view to examine in depth the nuances of astrological prediction based on astral configuration so as to evolve some robust algorithms or guidelines to make the predictions as objective as could be possibles such as using tools of statistical inference in inference ,or building mathematical models ,developing rules or operators of interaction etc with a view to make the prediction as objective as possibly could be.I feel , the focus should be to make astrology, a derivative of Astronomy, as robust as Astrophysics .Instead our discussions are mostly getting personal , casting aspersion, doubting each others bona fide, hurling challenges and freely using intemperate language. I believe in discussing issues passionately without doubting each others integrity, honesty and sincerity I feel,we can always agree to disagree.This possibly may not be the way issues in astrology are discussed by among learned astrologers. You were kind enough to question out my academic qualification. For your kind information I hold a PhD degree awarded by University of Delhi on my dissertation 'Theory of Stochastic Duels' .It is possible astrologers may be using such appellations without even going to any academic institution or undergoing any certification tests etc but such is not the case in scientific professions. My name is 'Bhashyam' as you have stated while addressing your valuable comments and not 'Rangabhashyam' as stated by you in the body of your mail.Regards,N BhashyamYogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1 (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote: Dear Mr.Bhashyam, There is a limit for patience,and if one writes insinuating mails,he deserves the contempt,without even knowing the rudiments of what he is 'pontificating' about he/she deserves a stiff reprimand... The basic requirement for acquiring education or getting educated, is the thirst for knowledge,and definitely not pretending to know a subject and that too wrongly... Not knowing a subject is not anybody's fault,but knowing even the rudiments of a subject wrongly but still pontificating on it, is certainly is one's fault... I am begining to doubt the very intentions of your members... Prejudice against astrology oozes from your members freely,as seen from their irrational and biased mails based on half-cooked knowledge... such a prejudiced lot of people calling themselves as "people in search of the TRUTH"... is a travesty of the spirit of inquiry... ! I hope an honest attempt is made to delve into the science behind astrology... by first studying the basics of the subject one is talking/writing about,trying it out in a number of cases and then reaching any conclusion.. .In the case of your over-enthusistic member,he does not know even the a,b,c of Krishnamurthi Padhdhati a unique method of prognostication. .. but still, insinuates about it's efficacy etc...Is that Scientific by any definition ? I appreciate your "loyalty" to your friend....but my advice to you too is "learn about any subject thoroughly before making any irrational comments,not based on your own experience.. ." Mr. Rangabhashyam( only if you are a Ph.D or a D.Sc. you can use your nasme as Dr. so and so do let me know), pl study K.P. first,try it out and then comment...with examples...if you've made any mistake stalwarts in K.P., will definitely help you correct them and know the application of K.P., better.. May better sense prevail on the group... With best wishes, L.Y.Rao. GOOD LUCK ! Dr N Bhashyam <drnbhashyam@ .ca>Thursday, 8 May, 2008 3:42:18 PMRe: Re: Astrology : faith or fiction As far as I know knowledge teaches humility, patience, tolerance,understan ding etc.This is the basic premise of education where those endowed with knowledge volunteer to impart knowledge to those devoid of it . Possibly possibly astrology is beyond all these mundane matters of and is not for the less mortals.It is the close preserve of selected few chosen fortunate ones.Any one trying to intrude the privacy will be rebuffed and unceremoniously booted out.Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1 (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote: Dear Sanat, As one Mormon said to another..." thy mother shall bite thee from under the table"...! In other words you are trying to get bitchy...while pretending that you know a lot about astrology... Sanat you do not know even the BASICS,atleast of K.P.,and any explanations are surely BEYOND your severely limited comprehension. .. If at all you want to enter into serious discussions, first read the 6 readers of KP., and then let us discuss to your heart's content...you seem to be itching for a "showdown" ? If so you had better come premared...a kindergarten student trying to discuss an intricate subject like astrology is most ridiculous.. . Grow up and stop behaving like a spoilt kid...better still fet some psychiatric help,to help you get over your severe inferiority complex...! Every assumption you've made IS WRONG... Study K.P., till such time,pl. do not undress yourself in public or get undressed in public... This advice is meant for Deepika and Sheetal also who it seems are in cahoots with you... L.Y.Rao. sanat2221 <sanatkumar_jain@ rediffmail. com>Wednesday, 7 May, 2008 11:20:36 PM Re: Astrology : faith or fiction Resp. Rao Ji,Namaskar,Thanks for your msg.Though you have praised a lot about your prediction based on KP. Praising your prediction skill is useful in luring your ignorant, innocent clients but here I want to have some serious discussion. You have not answered my earlier points.""So we come back to your point. With the help of Ruling planet (KP system) you forecasted about the exact time (say any incident). It means whenever that socalled planet will be ruling planet that incident will occur. What do you say? (My next comment is reserved for next msg.)Or we may take it otherwise. Horoscope of an individual is fixed, transit of planet is fixed, principle of ruling planet or dasha etc. is fixed. Thus when ingredients are fixed it means result or forecast or conclusion is also fixed. What do you say? (My next comment is reserved for next msg.)""I have also studied KP and you can see that I have even fused it along with other principles in Eskain horoscope (available in file section).When you have many RP then it is only a matter of chance to select a planet, sometime, out of 7 planets. Like many other North Indian astrologers or western astrologers you have claimed to forecast a correct incident. But like all other astrologers you are not disclosing the failures of your prediction, which may be 50% or more.Regarding your statement "which had crowned him with unprecedented success and fame", I will like to say with all my regards to K.S.Krishnamurthiji that fame and success has nothing to do with correctness. You may have seen many famous cheaters too. So forget about the success or fame. We are concerned with analysis of predictive principles.By your statement "RPs at Birth of an individual will also rule the moment of his death." we can at the most say that it is the magic of astrology (where we see that an egg is coming out from the hat of a magician but how; that we don't know and purchasing that hat in the hope of more eggs). Because there are many RP at the time of birth likewise many RP at the time of death. Hence it is quite natural that out of only 7 planets some planet will match. For any demo any one can easily find matching planets but now where is the prediction. Do you want to say that RP (any one out of many) of birth time will never be RP till death and suddenly it will be RP at the time of death? Can you distinguish a sex of various horoscopes? At the most you can say that time of birth is not correct. But suppose after manipulating time of birth and matching with sex can you forecast time of death based on your RP theory.Concept of KP (lord, sublord etc) is only based on Vinshottary dasha. In VD we used to draw Dasha, antar, prat, sukshm dasha of planets linked with const. and in KP we used reverse process and term them as lord, sublord after linking them with const. So it is not a new concept but a old concept in new shape.So what is your opinion? Is astrology a pudding >>>>>> The proof of the pudding,as they say is in eating it...not discussing how it is made...<<<<< < and not a science?We in the forum is discussing about the preparation of principles and not eating them like blind faith.So you can pickup any `basic' principle of KP like dasha, aspect, exalted, ascendant and so on. Choice is yours with your logical answers and I will like to learn after solving my logical queries. Thus we can be able to improve our skill and knowledge. Remember nothing is personal as you have not formulated the principles of KP.Thanks,Yours truly,SanatPS : Silent members may please take active part in any interaction with their views. Because only then, they can be able to sharpen their stand and other members may also be benefited. They may take any earlier point too, discussed and mentioned in various SOA_______ files in file section. Other SOA files are in the pipe line.From the various SOA______ files innocent and ignorant members, who are not professional astrologers or blind supporter of predictive astrology, may see that not a single astrologer is coming forward with their logical and scientific explanation. Supporters of predictive astrology may invite their personal friends, friends of other forum to have a open discussion on the principles of astrology. Because they can learn astrology anywhere but its scientific aspect can only be discussed in this forum, where every one with any views is welcome unlike other forums.Krishnamurty Ji, has not provided supplementary information in support of his principle on diabetes. , Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1@. ..> wrote:>> Dear Sanat,>                 The Ruling Planets theory is the essence of the late K.S.Krishnamurthiji ,which had crowned him with unprecedented success and fame...>                 Briefly, FIVE PLANETS rule any moment of time at any given moment...They are : in order of strength The Star-lord of the Ascendant rising at the moment,it's sign-lord,the Moon's star-lord at that moment,it's sign-lord and the lord of the day...these 5 planets,as per K.P., rule any given moment of time...Later, the sub-lord of the Ascendant and the Moon's sub-lord were also added...making it 7 planets who rule any given moment of Time...>                  In the the same way,Ruling Planets (at Birth),of any living person are determined.. .and it has been demonstrated on umpteen occasions that these RPs play a definite role in every major event that takes place in the pesons entire life-time...>                   There are many other ways when the RPs play a mysterious role...in fructification of an event,such that one can boldly predict exactly when a particular event will take place,even at what time etc...very accurately,by a K.P. stalwart...and so on...>                   This small little wonderful discovery has made K.P. the most accurate method of prognostication. ..>                    For example it is now an established fact that the RPs ruling at the start of any endeavour will also rule,though not necessarily in the same order of strength...at the time of accomplishment. ..>                   The RPs at Birth of an individual will also rule the moment of his death...! This has been verified by KSK and his discples/students in numberless cases....>                   Only K.P. can explain the different careers/professions /structures/ sex of each,in the case of twin births...born separated by a few minutes of each other's birth...>                    No other astrological system so far invented can predict this with such accuracy as K.P. can...     >                   I definitely can provide you with a number of my prdeictions which came true to the exact date,as predicted... and every issue of the excellent Magazine K.P. & Astrology, has been publishing and continues to,several correct predictions by students as well as adepts...! >                    The proof of the pudding,as they say is in eating it...not discussing how it is made.... ! ! >                   With best wishes and kind regards,>                    L.Y.Rao. >                                                 GOOD LUCK !            >                  > > > > sanat2221 <sanatkumar_ jain> > Monday, 5 May, 2008 11:16:07 PM> Re: Astrology : faith or fiction> > > Resp. Rao Ji,> Namaskar,> Thanks for your first msg and hope we will be able to find many more > msgs in future.> > Let us take your first sentence.> >>>>> Astrology is definitely NOT a myth.<<<<<> I can presume that it is your opinion and experience; and you want to > support it with your past demonstration. Suppose one individual > (fanatic in your opinion) says that it is coincidence or say it is > myth based on his experience; and you stand with your sentence that > astrology is not a myth. So where is the conclusion?> > Actually at this point you both departed from each other without in-> depth digging in support of any stand and informing each other about > the basics behind any stand. Because, analysis of astrological > principles requires a systematic and unbiased approach. But > unfortunately we always try to discuss our own experience instead of > discussing about the validity or reasonability of astrological > principles it-self. You may have seen from past msgs. that how > members try to jump from one question to another without sticking to > one point for final analysis and conclusion (that's why I have > devised the system of SOA_______). This is the tactics used by > supporters and point of dispute gets diluted and takes some other > direction. But in this forum, which is only one and first too, we are > trying to analyze every point related to predictive astrology with > discussion and exchange of views till some conclusion may be drawn by > the members from SOA__ files.> > So we come back to your point. With the help of Ruling planet (KP > system) you forecasted about the exact time (say any incident). It > means whenever that socalled planet will be ruling planet that > incident will occur. What do you say? (My next comment is reserved > for next msg.)> > Or we may take it otherwise. Horoscope of an individual is fixed, > transit of planet is fixed, principle of ruling planet or dasha etc. > is fixed. Thus when ingredients are fixed it means result or forecast > or conclusion is also fixed. What do you say? (My next comment is > reserved for next msg.)> > Members are always invited to share their views, because members can > learn the astrology from anywhere but can discuss only in this forum. > So feel free to share your view, question etc.> > Sh Rao Ji, will you please like to give some resume about your-self > to have a proper image for answering? At least I can forecast that > you are a professional astrologer hence I hope to have very strong > logic in your support.> > Thanks,> > Yours truly,> sanat> > , "L.Y.Rao." <lyrastro1@ ..> > wrote:> >> > Dear Ramjee & Sanat Kumar,> > Astrology is definitely NOT a > > myth...Increasingly ,learned and experienced astrologers ALL over > the > > world have proved this,by their sometimes uncannily correct > > prognostications, but, under the excuse of "the proofs NOT > > being 'scientific enough' whatever that may puport to mean"...the > so-> > called "scientists" have all ganged up,or so it seems,to singularly > > target astrology... . as not being scientific and relegating it to the > > status of a myth...and malign it...> > I have had a few occassions to > demonstrate > > to such "Scientific- minded pseudo-intellectual s",with the help of > the > > RULING PLANETS...the almost exact time of arrival of their children > > from school or their servant sent on an errand...etc. .. but > > unfortunately they are so FANATIC that the dismiss these as mere > > coincidences. ..How more illogical can they get ?> > Be that as it may,don't you all think > that > > people like Prof.. Narlikar or people like him,be drafted in as > members> > inorder to provide strong "so-called scientific arguments" for > > experienced astrologers to refute LOGICALLY and with "LIVE" > examples.?> > With best wishes,> > L.Y.Rao.> > > > >> > > Dear Sri Sanatkumar ji,> > > > > > > > > At the outset I would like to > > bring to your notice that any discussion is possible only when one > > knows the subject. But what I find from the file section, most of > the > > writers have preconceived projudice for or against Astrology. If we > > want some healthy discussion on the subject let us chalk out > certain > > plans. For example we may dicuss primary differences between > > astronomy and astrology viz. Raghu And Kethu, these two are not > > planets or sattalites, but astrologers give importance to these > nodes > > HOW & WHY> > > > > > Let us hear frm our friends> > > > > > sanat2221 <sanatkumar_ jain@> wrote:> > > > > > > > > Resp Dr. Bhashyam Ji,> > > Namaskar,> > > Why you think like> > > "As and when I am able to, I will certainly join the discussion."> > > Because members can learn astrology from anywhere but this is the > > > only forum where members can freely discuss the principles of > > > astrology. Hence you can also very well discuss or give your > > opinion > > > on any point. > > > > > > Hope to have your comments on "astrology a science or myth" in > file > > > section. From your comments members will take a queue and will > come > > > forward. You may also call your other astrologer friends for > > > interaction.> > > > > > Thanks> > > Yours truly,> > > sanat> > > > > > PS:> > > > > > Ms. Dipika Ji, we are not receiving your msg. and comments on > > various > > > points> > > Sh.Krishnamurthy Ji, I am awaiting your reply on your principle > of > > > diabetes for further interaction.> > > Sh. Bala ji, You have not raised any point after Nadishastra. > Have > > > you seen the working? Pl. inform me, so that I may now offer my > > > comments as no one has offered their comments. You can share your > > > other experience of astrology too.> > > Econdude : rejoinder on my observation on affect of planets is > > > awaited. Are you satisfied with my observation.> > > > > > Members who are in favour of predictive astrology must come > forward > > > with their experience and they may call their personal friends > too > > in > > > this forum.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ---> > > Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with > Mobile. > > Try it now.> > >> >> > > > > From Chandigarh to Chennai - find friends all over India. Go to http://in.promos. / groups/citygroup s/> From Chandigarh to Chennai - find friends all over India. Looking for the perfect gift? Give the gift of Flickr! Unlimited freedom, unlimited storage. Get it now Ask a question on any topic and get answers from real people. Go to Answers. Best Jokes, Best Friends, Best Food. Get all this and more on Best of . Ask a question on any topic and get answers from real people. Go to Answers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 10, 2008 Report Share Posted May 10, 2008 Dear Dr.Bhashyam, Thanks for your "scientifically drafted mail"... Perhaps you are not aware of the writings of Prof Wiseacker,The President of the Max Planck Institute,and also the large number of experiments performed under the severe scrutiny of well known Scientists...at Stanford University,in the USA and and at the Kirov University in Russia... Any way,as they say, "ignorance is bliss"...I leave you to enjoy your bliss at leisure... Kindly refrain from sending me any reply or "repartee"...this correspondence is closed... With best wishes, L.Y.Rao. Dr N Bhashyam <drnbhashyam Cc: lyrastro1Sent: Saturday, 10 May, 2008 3:18:12 PMRe: Re: Astrology : faith or fiction Dear Mr Rao, Thanks for your kind mail and more so for sharing your very exciting and interesting journey in KP school of astrology.I do admire your dedication and respect your knowledge and expertise in predictive astrology and highly appreciate your impressive track record and attainments as a practicing astrologer.I wish you more success in coming days. I do not know as why you are always referring the group as mine and myself belonging to some coterie etc..For your kind information I hardly know any one in the group and joined it only to understand the nuances in astrology from the learned astrologers through their discussions and very informative posts. However, I must admit, I am throughly disappointed and feel sorry to have joined it.I am pretty sure this is not a forum where any meaningful discussion could ever take place in a civilised way without getting personal ,In fact the focus is more on attacking each other rather than the topic under discussion .In addition, expression of disappointment and request for moderation is branded as ' jumped into the fray', the less said is better. I have now decided to leave the group which I feel is in the best interest of both the group as well as myself. By leaving the group at least I will be relieved of reading messages in patently offensive language and the distinguished members of the group can merrily carry on their tirades against each other. While leaving I wish you and the group all the best.Regards,N Bhashyam Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1 (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote: Dear Dr.Bhashyam, Thank you for your informative mail... Discussions were made very subjective by your friend Sanat,and soon after,you jumped into the fray,as it were... I am just a B.Sc.,and I accidentally began studying astrology casually,as a pass time,in 1956...but began a serious study of Traditional Astrology,since my graduation in 1964...and switched over to Krishnamurthi Padhdhati since I met the late Shri K.S.Krishnamurthiji ,in 1975-76. After thoroghly familiarising myself with all the rules,I began practising the practical application of K.P., while I was at Mumbai,as Dy.Gen Mgr. in M/s Raptakos Brett & Co. Ltd.,and used to successfuly tell my secretary exactly what time our peon will return from the bank...etc., and except for the day of the bomb blasts in Mumbai,just opposite our Office...our peon did not return...but it so happenned that he was so scared that he went home....! That prompted me to probe the cause of /reason for failure and I was successful in identifying it...which further helped me to sharpen my skills further...and so on... I can assure you Dr.Bashyam that K.P. is scientific.. .and I have been able to get a score of 85-90 % correct predictions. ..(correct to the day,that is)... Personally I would be extremely glad to be of any help to you for a deep scientific investigation. ..but my knowledge of Mathematics is very poor... What are the parameters set for your research ? May be you might need to change them suitably, to obtain a tangible conclusion.. .? I would suggest that your group familiarises itself with the Basic Principles of K.P. and read the 6 Readers available authored by KSK himself...only ten will a thorough Modern and systematic investigation can be taken up...in the mean while, you are requested not to equate Traditional Astrology with K.P. With best wishes, L.Y.Rao. GOOD LUCK ! Dr N Bhashyam <drnbhashyam@ .ca>Cc: lyrastro1 (AT) (DOT) co.inFriday, 9 May, 2008 4:04:30 PMRe: Re: Astrology : faith or fiction Dear Mr Rao, Thanks for your kind mail and your detailed elucidation. I joined this group expecting the discussion will around issues to with a view to examine in depth the nuances of astrological prediction based on astral configuration so as to evolve some robust algorithms or guidelines to make the predictions as objective as could be possibles such as using tools of statistical inference in inference ,or building mathematical models ,developing rules or operators of interaction etc with a view to make the prediction as objective as possibly could be.I feel , the focus should be to make astrology, a derivative of Astronomy, as robust as Astrophysics .Instead our discussions are mostly getting personal , casting aspersion, doubting each others bona fide, hurling challenges and freely using intemperate language. I believe in discussing issues passionately without doubting each others integrity, honesty and sincerity I feel,we can always agree to disagree.This possibly may not be the way issues in astrology are discussed by among learned astrologers. You were kind enough to question out my academic qualification. For your kind information I hold a PhD degree awarded by University of Delhi on my dissertation 'Theory of Stochastic Duels' .It is possible astrologers may be using such appellations without even going to any academic institution or undergoing any certification tests etc but such is not the case in scientific professions. My name is 'Bhashyam' as you have stated while addressing your valuable comments and not 'Rangabhashyam' as stated by you in the body of your mail.Regards,N BhashyamYogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1 (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote: Dear Mr.Bhashyam, There is a limit for patience,and if one writes insinuating mails,he deserves the contempt,without even knowing the rudiments of what he is 'pontificating' about he/she deserves a stiff reprimand... The basic requirement for acquiring education or getting educated, is the thirst for knowledge,and definitely not pretending to know a subject and that too wrongly... Not knowing a subject is not anybody's fault,but knowing even the rudiments of a subject wrongly but still pontificating on it, is certainly is one's fault... I am begining to doubt the very intentions of your members... Prejudice against astrology oozes from your members freely,as seen from their irrational and biased mails based on half-cooked knowledge... such a prejudiced lot of people calling themselves as "people in search of the TRUTH"... is a travesty of the spirit of inquiry... ! I hope an honest attempt is made to delve into the science behind astrology... by first studying the basics of the subject one is talking/writing about,trying it out in a number of cases and then reaching any conclusion.. .In the case of your over-enthusistic member,he does not know even the a,b,c of Krishnamurthi Padhdhati a unique method of prognostication. .. but still, insinuates about it's efficacy etc...Is that Scientific by any definition ? I appreciate your "loyalty" to your friend.....but my advice to you too is "learn about any subject thoroughly before making any irrational comments,not based on your own experience.. ." Mr. Rangabhashyam( only if you are a Ph.D or a D.Sc. you can use your nasme as Dr. so and so do let me know), pl study K.P. first,try it out and then comment...with examples...if you've made any mistake stalwarts in K.P., will definitely help you correct them and know the application of K.P., better.. May better sense prevail on the group... With best wishes, L.Y.Rao. GOOD LUCK ! Dr N Bhashyam <drnbhashyam@ .ca>Thursday, 8 May, 2008 3:42:18 PMRe: Re: Astrology : faith or fiction As far as I know knowledge teaches humility, patience, tolerance,understan ding etc.This is the basic premise of education where those endowed with knowledge volunteer to impart knowledge to those devoid of it . Possibly possibly astrology is beyond all these mundane matters of and is not for the less mortals.It is the close preserve of selected few chosen fortunate ones.Any one trying to intrude the privacy will be rebuffed and unceremoniously booted out.Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1 (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote: Dear Sanat, As one Mormon said to another..." thy mother shall bite thee from under the table"...! In other words you are trying to get bitchy...while pretending that you know a lot about astrology... Sanat you do not know even the BASICS,atleast of K.P.,and any explanations are surely BEYOND your severely limited comprehension. .. If at all you want to enter into serious discussions, first read the 6 readers of KP., and then let us discuss to your heart's content...you seem to be itching for a "showdown" ? If so you had better come premared...a kindergarten student trying to discuss an intricate subject like astrology is most ridiculous.. . Grow up and stop behaving like a spoilt kid...better still fet some psychiatric help,to help you get over your severe inferiority complex...! Every assumption you've made IS WRONG... Study K.P., till such time,pl. do not undress yourself in public or get undressed in public... This advice is meant for Deepika and Sheetal also who it seems are in cahoots with you... L.Y.Rao. sanat2221 <sanatkumar_jain@ rediffmail. com>Wednesday, 7 May, 2008 11:20:36 PM Re: Astrology : faith or fiction Resp. Rao Ji,Namaskar,Thanks for your msg.Though you have praised a lot about your prediction based on KP. Praising your prediction skill is useful in luring your ignorant, innocent clients but here I want to have some serious discussion. You have not answered my earlier points.""So we come back to your point. With the help of Ruling planet (KP system) you forecasted about the exact time (say any incident). It means whenever that socalled planet will be ruling planet that incident will occur. What do you say? (My next comment is reserved for next msg.)Or we may take it otherwise. Horoscope of an individual is fixed, transit of planet is fixed, principle of ruling planet or dasha etc. is fixed. Thus when ingredients are fixed it means result or forecast or conclusion is also fixed. What do you say? (My next comment is reserved for next msg.)""I have also studied KP and you can see that I have even fused it along with other principles in Eskain horoscope (available in file section).When you have many RP then it is only a matter of chance to select a planet, sometime, out of 7 planets. Like many other North Indian astrologers or western astrologers you have claimed to forecast a correct incident. But like all other astrologers you are not disclosing the failures of your prediction, which may be 50% or more.Regarding your statement "which had crowned him with unprecedented success and fame", I will like to say with all my regards to K.S.Krishnamurthiji that fame and success has nothing to do with correctness. You may have seen many famous cheaters too. So forget about the success or fame. We are concerned with analysis of predictive principles.By your statement "RPs at Birth of an individual will also rule the moment of his death." we can at the most say that it is the magic of astrology (where we see that an egg is coming out from the hat of a magician but how; that we don't know and purchasing that hat in the hope of more eggs). Because there are many RP at the time of birth likewise many RP at the time of death. Hence it is quite natural that out of only 7 planets some planet will match. For any demo any one can easily find matching planets but now where is the prediction. Do you want to say that RP (any one out of many) of birth time will never be RP till death and suddenly it will be RP at the time of death? Can you distinguish a sex of various horoscopes? At the most you can say that time of birth is not correct. But suppose after manipulating time of birth and matching with sex can you forecast time of death based on your RP theory.Concept of KP (lord, sublord etc) is only based on Vinshottary dasha. In VD we used to draw Dasha, antar, prat, sukshm dasha of planets linked with const. and in KP we used reverse process and term them as lord, sublord after linking them with const. So it is not a new concept but a old concept in new shape.So what is your opinion? Is astrology a pudding >>>>>> The proof of the pudding,as they say is in eating it...not discussing how it is made...<<<<< < and not a science?We in the forum is discussing about the preparation of principles and not eating them like blind faith.So you can pickup any `basic' principle of KP like dasha, aspect, exalted, ascendant and so on. Choice is yours with your logical answers and I will like to learn after solving my logical queries. Thus we can be able to improve our skill and knowledge. Remember nothing is personal as you have not formulated the principles of KP.Thanks,Yours truly,SanatPS : Silent members may please take active part in any interaction with their views. Because only then, they can be able to sharpen their stand and other members may also be benefited. They may take any earlier point too, discussed and mentioned in various SOA_______ files in file section. Other SOA files are in the pipe line.From the various SOA______ files innocent and ignorant members, who are not professional astrologers or blind supporter of predictive astrology, may see that not a single astrologer is coming forward with their logical and scientific explanation. Supporters of predictive astrology may invite their personal friends, friends of other forum to have a open discussion on the principles of astrology. Because they can learn astrology anywhere but its scientific aspect can only be discussed in this forum, where every one with any views is welcome unlike other forums.Krishnamurty Ji, has not provided supplementary information in support of his principle on diabetes. , Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1@. ..> wrote:>> Dear Sanat,>                 The Ruling Planets theory is the essence of the late K.S.Krishnamurthiji ,which had crowned him with unprecedented success and fame...>                 Briefly, FIVE PLANETS rule any moment of time at any given moment...They are : in order of strength The Star-lord of the Ascendant rising at the moment,it's sign-lord,the Moon's star-lord at that moment,it's sign-lord and the lord of the day...these 5 planets,as per K.P., rule any given moment of time...Later, the sub-lord of the Ascendant and the Moon's sub-lord were also added...making it 7 planets who rule any given moment of Time...>                  In the the same way,Ruling Planets (at Birth),of any living person are determined.. .and it has been demonstrated on umpteen occasions that these RPs play a definite role in every major event that takes place in the pesons entire life-time...>                   There are many other ways when the RPs play a mysterious role...in fructification of an event,such that one can boldly predict exactly when a particular event will take place,even at what time etc...very accurately,by a K.P. stalwart...and so on...>                   This small little wonderful discovery has made K.P. the most accurate method of prognostication. ..>                    For example it is now an established fact that the RPs ruling at the start of any endeavour will also rule,though not necessarily in the same order of strength...at the time of accomplishment. ..>                   The RPs at Birth of an individual will also rule the moment of his death...! This has been verified by KSK and his discples/students in numberless cases.....>                   Only K.P. can explain the different careers/professions /structures/ sex of each,in the case of twin births...born separated by a few minutes of each other's birth...>                    No other astrological system so far invented can predict this with such accuracy as K.P. can...     >                   I definitely can provide you with a number of my prdeictions which came true to the exact date,as predicted... and every issue of the excellent Magazine K.P. & Astrology, has been publishing and continues to,several correct predictions by students as well as adepts...! >                    The proof of the pudding,as they say is in eating it...not discussing how it is made..... ! ! >                   With best wishes and kind regards,>                    L.Y.Rao. >                                                 GOOD LUCK !            >                  > > > > sanat2221 <sanatkumar_ jain> > Monday, 5 May, 2008 11:16:07 PM> Re: Astrology : faith or fiction> > > Resp. Rao Ji,> Namaskar,> Thanks for your first msg and hope we will be able to find many more > msgs in future.> > Let us take your first sentence.> >>>>> Astrology is definitely NOT a myth.<<<<<> I can presume that it is your opinion and experience; and you want to > support it with your past demonstration. Suppose one individual > (fanatic in your opinion) says that it is coincidence or say it is > myth based on his experience; and you stand with your sentence that > astrology is not a myth. So where is the conclusion?> > Actually at this point you both departed from each other without in-> depth digging in support of any stand and informing each other about > the basics behind any stand. Because, analysis of astrological > principles requires a systematic and unbiased approach. But > unfortunately we always try to discuss our own experience instead of > discussing about the validity or reasonability of astrological > principles it-self. You may have seen from past msgs. that how > members try to jump from one question to another without sticking to > one point for final analysis and conclusion (that's why I have > devised the system of SOA_______). This is the tactics used by > supporters and point of dispute gets diluted and takes some other > direction. But in this forum, which is only one and first too, we are > trying to analyze every point related to predictive astrology with > discussion and exchange of views till some conclusion may be drawn by > the members from SOA__ files.> > So we come back to your point. With the help of Ruling planet (KP > system) you forecasted about the exact time (say any incident). It > means whenever that socalled planet will be ruling planet that > incident will occur. What do you say? (My next comment is reserved > for next msg.)> > Or we may take it otherwise. Horoscope of an individual is fixed, > transit of planet is fixed, principle of ruling planet or dasha etc. > is fixed. Thus when ingredients are fixed it means result or forecast > or conclusion is also fixed. What do you say? (My next comment is > reserved for next msg.)> > Members are always invited to share their views, because members can > learn the astrology from anywhere but can discuss only in this forum. > So feel free to share your view, question etc.> > Sh Rao Ji, will you please like to give some resume about your-self > to have a proper image for answering? At least I can forecast that > you are a professional astrologer hence I hope to have very strong > logic in your support.> > Thanks,> > Yours truly,> sanat> > , "L.Y.Rao." <lyrastro1@ ..> > wrote:> >> > Dear Ramjee & Sanat Kumar,> > Astrology is definitely NOT a > > myth...Increasingly ,learned and experienced astrologers ALL over > the > > world have proved this,by their sometimes uncannily correct > > prognostications, but, under the excuse of "the proofs NOT > > being 'scientific enough' whatever that may puport to mean"...the > so-> > called "scientists" have all ganged up,or so it seems,to singularly > > target astrology.... . as not being scientific and relegating it to the > > status of a myth...and malign it...> > I have had a few occassions to > demonstrate > > to such "Scientific- minded pseudo-intellectual s",with the help of > the > > RULING PLANETS...the almost exact time of arrival of their children > > from school or their servant sent on an errand...etc. .. but > > unfortunately they are so FANATIC that the dismiss these as mere > > coincidences. ..How more illogical can they get ?> > Be that as it may,don't you all think > that > > people like Prof.. Narlikar or people like him,be drafted in as > members> > inorder to provide strong "so-called scientific arguments" for > > experienced astrologers to refute LOGICALLY and with "LIVE" > examples.?> > With best wishes,> > L.Y.Rao.> > > > >> > > Dear Sri Sanatkumar ji,> > > > > > > > > At the outset I would like to > > bring to your notice that any discussion is possible only when one > > knows the subject. But what I find from the file section, most of > the > > writers have preconceived projudice for or against Astrology. If we > > want some healthy discussion on the subject let us chalk out > certain > > plans. For example we may dicuss primary differences between > > astronomy and astrology viz. Raghu And Kethu, these two are not > > planets or sattalites, but astrologers give importance to these > nodes > > HOW & WHY> > > > > > Let us hear frm our friends> > > > > > sanat2221 <sanatkumar_ jain@> wrote:> > > > > > > > > Resp Dr. Bhashyam Ji,> > > Namaskar,> > > Why you think like> > > "As and when I am able to, I will certainly join the discussion."> > > Because members can learn astrology from anywhere but this is the > > > only forum where members can freely discuss the principles of > > > astrology. Hence you can also very well discuss or give your > > opinion > > > on any point. > > > > > > Hope to have your comments on "astrology a science or myth" in > file > > > section. From your comments members will take a queue and will > come > > > forward. You may also call your other astrologer friends for > > > interaction.> > > > > > Thanks> > > Yours truly,> > > sanat> > > > > > PS:> > > > > > Ms. Dipika Ji, we are not receiving your msg. and comments on > > various > > > points> > > Sh.Krishnamurthy Ji, I am awaiting your reply on your principle > of > > > diabetes for further interaction.> > > Sh. Bala ji, You have not raised any point after Nadishastra. > Have > > > you seen the working? Pl. inform me, so that I may now offer my > > > comments as no one has offered their comments. You can share your > > > other experience of astrology too.> > > Econdude : rejoinder on my observation on affect of planets is > > > awaited. Are you satisfied with my observation.> > > > > > Members who are in favour of predictive astrology must come > forward > > > with their experience and they may call their personal friends > too > > in > > > this forum.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ---> > > Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with > Mobile. > > Try it now.> > >> >> > > > > From Chandigarh to Chennai - find friends all over India. Go to http://in.promos. / groups/citygroup s/> From Chandigarh to Chennai - find friends all over India. Looking for the perfect gift? Give the gift of Flickr! Unlimited freedom, unlimited storage. Get it now Ask a question on any topic and get answers from real people. Go to Answers. Best Jokes, Best Friends, Best Food. Get all this and more on Best of . Ask a question on any topic and get answers from real people. Go to Answers. Bollywood, fun, friendship, sports and more. You name it, we have it. 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Guest guest Posted May 11, 2008 Report Share Posted May 11, 2008 Dear Yogesh ji Namaste,If you are trying to suggest there is proof for KP system or any other form of astrology, kindly post it else the group members are intelligent enough not to be misled by your tall claims. RegardsDipsOn Sat, May 10, 2008 at 8:03 PM, Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1 wrote: Dear Dr.Bhashyam, Thanks for your " scientifically drafted mail " ... Perhaps you are not aware of the writings of Prof Wiseacker,The President of the Max Planck Institute,and also the large number of experiments performed under the severe scrutiny of well known Scientists...at Stanford University,in the USA and and at the Kirov University in Russia... Any way,as they say, " ignorance is bliss " ...I leave you to enjoy your bliss at leisure... Kindly refrain from sending me any reply or " repartee " ...this correspondence is closed... With best wishes, L.Y.Rao. Dr N Bhashyam <drnbhashyam Cc: lyrastro1 Saturday, 10 May, 2008 3:18:12 PMRe: Re: Astrology : faith or fiction Dear Mr Rao, Thanks for your kind mail and more so for sharing your very exciting and interesting journey in KP school of astrology.I do admire your dedication and respect your knowledge and expertise in predictive astrology and highly appreciate your impressive track record and attainments as a practicing astrologer.I wish you more success in coming days. I do not know as why you are always referring the group as mine and myself belonging to some coterie etc..For your kind information I hardly know any one in the group and joined it only to understand the nuances in astrology from the learned astrologers through their discussions and very informative posts. However, I must admit, I am throughly disappointed and feel sorry to have joined it.I am pretty sure this is not a forum where any meaningful discussion could ever take place in a civilised way without getting personal ,In fact the focus is more on attacking each other rather than the topic under discussion .In addition, expression of disappointment and request for moderation is branded as ' jumped into the fray', the less said is better. I have now decided to leave the group which I feel is in the best interest of both the group as well as myself. By leaving the group at least I will be relieved of reading messages in patently offensive language and the distinguished members of the group can merrily carry on their tirades against each other. While leaving I wish you and the group all the best.Regards,N Bhashyam Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1 (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote: Dear Dr.Bhashyam, Thank you for your informative mail... Discussions were made very subjective by your friend Sanat,and soon after,you jumped into the fray,as it were... I am just a B.Sc.,and I accidentally began studying astrology casually,as a pass time,in 1956...but began a serious study of Traditional Astrology,since my graduation in 1964...and switched over to Krishnamurthi Padhdhati since I met the late Shri K.S.Krishnamurthiji ,in 1975-76. After thoroghly familiarising myself with all the rules,I began practising the practical application of K.P., while I was at Mumbai,as Dy.Gen Mgr. in M/s Raptakos Brett & Co. Ltd.,and used to successfuly tell my secretary exactly what time our peon will return from the bank...etc., and except for the day of the bomb blasts in Mumbai,just opposite our Office...our peon did not return...but it so happenned that he was so scared that he went home....! That prompted me to probe the cause of /reason for failure and I was successful in identifying it...which further helped me to sharpen my skills further...and so on... I can assure you Dr.Bashyam that K.P. is scientific.. .and I have been able to get a score of 85-90 % correct predictions. ..(correct to the day,that is)... Personally I would be extremely glad to be of any help to you for a deep scientific investigation. ..but my knowledge of Mathematics is very poor... What are the parameters set for your research ? May be you might need to change them suitably, to obtain a tangible conclusion.. .? I would suggest that your group familiarises itself with the Basic Principles of K.P. and read the 6 Readers available authored by KSK himself...only ten will a thorough Modern and systematic investigation can be taken up...in the mean while, you are requested not to equate Traditional Astrology with K.P. With best wishes, L.Y.Rao. GOOD LUCK ! Dr N Bhashyam <drnbhashyam@ .ca> Cc: lyrastro1 (AT) (DOT) co.inFriday, 9 May, 2008 4:04:30 PMRe: Re: Astrology : faith or fiction Dear Mr Rao, Thanks for your kind mail and your detailed elucidation. I joined this group expecting the discussion will around issues to with a view to examine in depth the nuances of astrological prediction based on astral configuration so as to evolve some robust algorithms or guidelines to make the predictions as objective as could be possibles such as using tools of statistical inference in inference ,or building mathematical models ,developing rules or operators of interaction etc with a view to make the prediction as objective as possibly could be.I feel , the focus should be to make astrology, a derivative of Astronomy, as robust as Astrophysics .Instead our discussions are mostly getting personal , casting aspersion, doubting each others bona fide, hurling challenges and freely using intemperate language. I believe in discussing issues passionately without doubting each others integrity, honesty and sincerity I feel,we can always agree to disagree.This possibly may not be the way issues in astrology are discussed by among learned astrologers. You were kind enough to question out my academic qualification. For your kind information I hold a PhD degree awarded by University of Delhi on my dissertation 'Theory of Stochastic Duels' .It is possible astrologers may be using such appellations without even going to any academic institution or undergoing any certification tests etc but such is not the case in scientific professions. My name is 'Bhashyam' as you have stated while addressing your valuable comments and not 'Rangabhashyam' as stated by you in the body of your mail. Regards,N BhashyamYogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1 (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote: Dear Mr.Bhashyam, There is a limit for patience,and if one writes insinuating mails,he deserves the contempt,without even knowing the rudiments of what he is 'pontificating' about he/she deserves a stiff reprimand... The basic requirement for acquiring education or getting educated, is the thirst for knowledge,and definitely not pretending to know a subject and that too wrongly... Not knowing a subject is not anybody's fault,but knowing even the rudiments of a subject wrongly but still pontificating on it, is certainly is one's fault... I am begining to doubt the very intentions of your members... Prejudice against astrology oozes from your members freely,as seen from their irrational and biased mails based on half-cooked knowledge... such a prejudiced lot of people calling themselves as " people in search of the TRUTH " ... is a travesty of the spirit of inquiry... ! I hope an honest attempt is made to delve into the science behind astrology... by first studying the basics of the subject one is talking/writing about,trying it out in a number of cases and then reaching any conclusion.. .In the case of your over-enthusistic member,he does not know even the a,b,c of Krishnamurthi Padhdhati a unique method of prognostication. .. but still, insinuates about it's efficacy etc...Is that Scientific by any definition ? I appreciate your " loyalty " to your friend.....but my advice to you too is " learn about any subject thoroughly before making any irrational comments,not based on your own experience.. . " Mr. Rangabhashyam( only if you are a Ph.D or a D.Sc. you can use your nasme as Dr. so and so do let me know), pl study K.P. first,try it out and then comment...with examples...if you've made any mistake stalwarts in K.P., will definitely help you correct them and know the application of K.P., better.. May better sense prevail on the group... With best wishes, L.Y.Rao. GOOD LUCK ! Dr N Bhashyam <drnbhashyam@ .ca> Thursday, 8 May, 2008 3:42:18 PMRe: Re: Astrology : faith or fiction As far as I know knowledge teaches humility, patience, tolerance,understan ding etc.This is the basic premise of education where those endowed with knowledge volunteer to impart knowledge to those devoid of it . Possibly possibly astrology is beyond all these mundane matters of and is not for the less mortals.It is the close preserve of selected few chosen fortunate ones.Any one trying to intrude the privacy will be rebuffed and unceremoniously booted out. Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1 (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote: Dear Sanat, As one Mormon said to another... " thy mother shall bite thee from under the table " ...! In other words you are trying to get bitchy...while pretending that you know a lot about astrology... Sanat you do not know even the BASICS,atleast of K.P.,and any explanations are surely BEYOND your severely limited comprehension. .. If at all you want to enter into serious discussions, first read the 6 readers of KP., and then let us discuss to your heart's content...you seem to be itching for a " showdown " ? If so you had better come premared...a kindergarten student trying to discuss an intricate subject like astrology is most ridiculous.. . Grow up and stop behaving like a spoilt kid...better still fet some psychiatric help,to help you get over your severe inferiority complex...! Every assumption you've made IS WRONG... Study K.P., till such time,pl. do not undress yourself in public or get undressed in public... This advice is meant for Deepika and Sheetal also who it seems are in cahoots with you... L.Y.Rao. sanat2221 <sanatkumar_jain@ rediffmail. com> Wednesday, 7 May, 2008 11:20:36 PM Re: Astrology : faith or fiction Resp. Rao Ji,Namaskar,Thanks for your msg.Though you have praised a lot about your prediction based on KP. Praising your prediction skill is useful in luring your ignorant, innocent clients but here I want to have some serious discussion. You have not answered my earlier points. " " So we come back to your point. With the help of Ruling planet (KP system) you forecasted about the exact time (say any incident). It means whenever that socalled planet will be ruling planet that incident will occur. What do you say? (My next comment is reserved for next msg.)Or we may take it otherwise. Horoscope of an individual is fixed, transit of planet is fixed, principle of ruling planet or dasha etc. is fixed. Thus when ingredients are fixed it means result or forecast or conclusion is also fixed. What do you say? (My next comment is reserved for next msg.) " " I have also studied KP and you can see that I have even fused it along with other principles in Eskain horoscope (available in file section).When you have many RP then it is only a matter of chance to select a planet, sometime, out of 7 planets. Like many other North Indian astrologers or western astrologers you have claimed to forecast a correct incident. But like all other astrologers you are not disclosing the failures of your prediction, which may be 50% or more.Regarding your statement " which had crowned him with unprecedented success and fame " , I will like to say with all my regards to K.S.Krishnamurthiji that fame and success has nothing to do with correctness. You may have seen many famous cheaters too. So forget about the success or fame. We are concerned with analysis of predictive principles.By your statement " RPs at Birth of an individual will also rule the moment of his death. " we can at the most say that it is the magic of astrology (where we see that an egg is coming out from the hat of a magician but how; that we don't know and purchasing that hat in the hope of more eggs). Because there are many RP at the time of birth likewise many RP at the time of death. Hence it is quite natural that out of only 7 planets some planet will match. For any demo any one can easily find matching planets but now where is the prediction. Do you want to say that RP (any one out of many) of birth time will never be RP till death and suddenly it will be RP at the time of death? Can you distinguish a sex of various horoscopes? At the most you can say that time of birth is not correct. But suppose after manipulating time of birth and matching with sex can you forecast time of death based on your RP theory.Concept of KP (lord, sublord etc) is only based on Vinshottary dasha. In VD we used to draw Dasha, antar, prat, sukshm dasha of planets linked with const. and in KP we used reverse process and term them as lord, sublord after linking them with const. So it is not a new concept but a old concept in new shape. So what is your opinion? Is astrology a pudding >>>>>> The proof of the pudding,as they say is in eating it...not discussing how it is made...<<<<< < and not a science? We in the forum is discussing about the preparation of principles and not eating them like blind faith.So you can pickup any `basic' principle of KP like dasha, aspect, exalted, ascendant and so on. Choice is yours with your logical answers and I will like to learn after solving my logical queries. Thus we can be able to improve our skill and knowledge. Remember nothing is personal as you have not formulated the principles of KP. Thanks,Yours truly,SanatPS : Silent members may please take active part in any interaction with their views. Because only then, they can be able to sharpen their stand and other members may also be benefited. They may take any earlier point too, discussed and mentioned in various SOA_______ files in file section. Other SOA files are in the pipe line.From the various SOA______ files innocent and ignorant members, who are not professional astrologers or blind supporter of predictive astrology, may see that not a single astrologer is coming forward with their logical and scientific explanation. Supporters of predictive astrology may invite their personal friends, friends of other forum to have a open discussion on the principles of astrology. Because they can learn astrology anywhere but its scientific aspect can only be discussed in this forum, where every one with any views is welcome unlike other forums.Krishnamurty Ji, has not provided supplementary information in support of his principle on diabetes. , Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1@. ..> wrote:>> Dear Sanat,>                 The Ruling Planets theory is the essence of the late K.S.Krishnamurthiji ,which had crowned him with unprecedented success and fame... >                 Briefly, FIVE PLANETS rule any moment of time at any given moment...They are : in order of strength The Star-lord of the Ascendant rising at the moment,it's sign-lord,the Moon's star-lord at that moment,it's sign-lord and the lord of the day...these 5 planets,as per K.P., rule any given moment of time...Later, the sub-lord of the Ascendant and the Moon's sub-lord were also added...making it 7 planets who rule any given moment of Time...>                  In the the same way,Ruling Planets (at Birth),of any living person are determined.. .and it has been demonstrated on umpteen occasions that these RPs play a definite role in every major event that takes place in the pesons entire life-time...>                   There are many other ways when the RPs play a mysterious role...in fructification of an event,such that one can boldly predict exactly when a particular event will take place,even at what time etc...very accurately,by a K.P. stalwart...and so on...>                   This small little wonderful discovery has made K.P. the most accurate method of prognostication. ..>                    For example it is now an established fact that the RPs ruling at the start of any endeavour will also rule,though not necessarily in the same order of strength...at the time of accomplishment. ..>                   The RPs at Birth of an individual will also rule the moment of his death...! This has been verified by KSK and his discples/students in numberless cases.....>                   Only K.P. can explain the different careers/professions /structures/ sex of each,in the case of twin births...born separated by a few minutes of each other's birth...>                    No other astrological system so far invented can predict this with such accuracy as K.P. can...     >                   I definitely can provide you with a number of my prdeictions which came true to the exact date,as predicted... and every issue of the excellent Magazine K.P. & Astrology, has been publishing and continues to,several correct predictions by students as well as adepts...! >                    The proof of the pudding,as they say is in eating it...not discussing how it is made..... ! ! >                   With best wishes and kind regards, >                    L.Y.Rao. >                                                 GOOD LUCK !            >                  > > > > sanat2221 <sanatkumar_ jain> > Monday, 5 May, 2008 11:16:07 PM> Re: Astrology : faith or fiction> > > Resp. Rao Ji,> Namaskar,> Thanks for your first msg and hope we will be able to find many more > msgs in future.> > Let us take your first sentence.> >>>>> Astrology is definitely NOT a myth.<<<<<> I can presume that it is your opinion and experience; and you want to > support it with your past demonstration. Suppose one individual > (fanatic in your opinion) says that it is coincidence or say it is > myth based on his experience; and you stand with your sentence that > astrology is not a myth. So where is the conclusion?> > Actually at this point you both departed from each other without in-> depth digging in support of any stand and informing each other about > the basics behind any stand. Because, analysis of astrological > principles requires a systematic and unbiased approach. But > unfortunately we always try to discuss our own experience instead of > discussing about the validity or reasonability of astrological > principles it-self. You may have seen from past msgs. that how > members try to jump from one question to another without sticking to > one point for final analysis and conclusion (that's why I have > devised the system of SOA_______). This is the tactics used by > supporters and point of dispute gets diluted and takes some other > direction. But in this forum, which is only one and first too, we are > trying to analyze every point related to predictive astrology with > discussion and exchange of views till some conclusion may be drawn by > the members from SOA__ files.> > So we come back to your point. With the help of Ruling planet (KP > system) you forecasted about the exact time (say any incident). It > means whenever that socalled planet will be ruling planet that > incident will occur. What do you say? (My next comment is reserved > for next msg.)> > Or we may take it otherwise. Horoscope of an individual is fixed, > transit of planet is fixed, principle of ruling planet or dasha etc. > is fixed. Thus when ingredients are fixed it means result or forecast > or conclusion is also fixed. What do you say? (My next comment is > reserved for next msg.)> > Members are always invited to share their views, because members can > learn the astrology from anywhere but can discuss only in this forum. > So feel free to share your view, question etc.> > Sh Rao Ji, will you please like to give some resume about your-self > to have a proper image for answering? At least I can forecast that > you are a professional astrologer hence I hope to have very strong > logic in your support.> > Thanks,> > Yours truly, > sanat> > , " L.Y.Rao. " <lyrastro1@ ..> > wrote:> >> > Dear Ramjee & Sanat Kumar,> > Astrology is definitely NOT a > > myth...Increasingly ,learned and experienced astrologers ALL over > the > > world have proved this,by their sometimes uncannily correct > > prognostications, but, under the excuse of " the proofs NOT > > being 'scientific enough' whatever that may puport to mean " ...the > so-> > called " scientists " have all ganged up,or so it seems,to singularly > > target astrology.... . as not being scientific and relegating it to the > > status of a myth...and malign it...> > I have had a few occassions to > demonstrate > > to such " Scientific- minded pseudo-intellectual s " ,with the help of > the > > RULING PLANETS...the almost exact time of arrival of their children > > from school or their servant sent on an errand...etc. .. but > > unfortunately they are so FANATIC that the dismiss these as mere > > coincidences. ..How more illogical can they get ?> > Be that as it may,don't you all think > that > > people like Prof.. Narlikar or people like him,be drafted in as > members > > inorder to provide strong " so-called scientific arguments " for > > experienced astrologers to refute LOGICALLY and with " LIVE " > examples.?> > With best wishes, > > L.Y.Rao.> > > > >> > > Dear Sri Sanatkumar ji,> > > > > > > > > At the outset I would like to > > bring to your notice that any discussion is possible only when one > > knows the subject. But what I find from the file section, most of > the > > writers have preconceived projudice for or against Astrology. If we > > want some healthy discussion on the subject let us chalk out > certain > > plans. For example we may dicuss primary differences between > > astronomy and astrology viz. Raghu And Kethu, these two are not > > planets or sattalites, but astrologers give importance to these > nodes > > HOW & WHY> > > > > > Let us hear frm our friends > > > > > > sanat2221 <sanatkumar_ jain@> wrote:> > > > > > > > > Resp Dr. Bhashyam Ji,> > > Namaskar,> > > Why you think like> > > " As and when I am able to, I will certainly join the discussion. " > > > Because members can learn astrology from anywhere but this is the > > > only forum where members can freely discuss the principles of > > > astrology. Hence you can also very well discuss or give your > > opinion > > > on any point. > > > > > > Hope to have your comments on " astrology a science or myth " in > file > > > section. From your comments members will take a queue and will > come > > > forward. You may also call your other astrologer friends for > > > interaction.> > > > > > Thanks> > > Yours truly,> > > sanat> > > > > > PS:> > > > > > Ms. Dipika Ji, we are not receiving your msg. and comments on > > various > > > points> > > Sh.Krishnamurthy Ji, I am awaiting your reply on your principle > of > > > diabetes for further interaction. > > > Sh. Bala ji, You have not raised any point after Nadishastra. > Have > > > you seen the working? Pl. inform me, so that I may now offer my > > > comments as no one has offered their comments. You can share your > > > other experience of astrology too.> > > Econdude : rejoinder on my observation on affect of planets is > > > awaited. Are you satisfied with my observation.> > > > > > Members who are in favour of predictive astrology must come > forward > > > with their experience and they may call their personal friends > too > > in > > > this forum. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ---> > > Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with > Mobile. > > Try it now.> > >> >> > > > > From Chandigarh to Chennai - find friends all over India. Go to http://in.promos. / groups/citygroup s/ > From Chandigarh to Chennai - find friends all over India. Looking for the perfect gift? Give the gift of Flickr! Unlimited freedom, unlimited storage. Get it now Ask a question on any topic and get answers from real people. Go to Answers. Best Jokes, Best Friends, Best Food. Get all this and more on Best of . Ask a question on any topic and get answers from real people. Go to Answers. Bollywood, fun, friendship, sports and more. You name it, we have it. 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Guest guest Posted May 11, 2008 Report Share Posted May 11, 2008 Dear Dipika, Granted that your Group thinks no end of itself and it's "intelligence",which is infact all bookish knowledge written by others...just like the the best love-stories are almost always written by the greatest failures in love... ! I do not see any point in discussing such a profound subject like K.P., with "kindergarten" students like you...and your group... This correspondence is closed till you grow up...in age education and worldly experience... Actually it needs only a small pin prick to burst your bloated egos...because you think that getting degrees etc., is being educated...you seem to me among the most uneducated educated... ! ! This correspondence will remain closed till you grow up,while you raise your own children,experience unforeseen difficulties beyond resonable/relevant causes...or causes you can not comprehend and so on...and realise(perhaps the hard way) that one is destined to suffer/enjoy in life as per his/her past Karma...K.P. helps unravel one's past Karma...and what is in store for him/her... Then perhaps you will be "ripe" enough and mature enough to discuss profound subjects like Philosophy,Astrology et al. Till such time, this correspondence will remain closed for you and your "over-intelligent" members.... L.Y.Rao. dipika blr <blr.aspirant Sent: Sunday, 11 May, 2008 3:05:57 PMRe: Re: Astrology : faith or fiction Dear Yogesh ji Namaste,If you are trying to suggest there is proof for KP system or any other form of astrology, kindly post it else the group members are intelligent enough not to be misled by your tall claims.RegardsDips On Sat, May 10, 2008 at 8:03 PM, Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1 (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote: Dear Dr.Bhashyam, Thanks for your "scientifically drafted mail"... Perhaps you are not aware of the writings of Prof Wiseacker,The President of the Max Planck Institute,and also the large number of experiments performed under the severe scrutiny of well known Scientists.. .at Stanford University,in the USA and and at the Kirov University in Russia... Any way,as they say, "ignorance is bliss"...I leave you to enjoy your bliss at leisure... Kindly refrain from sending me any reply or "repartee"...this correspondence is closed... With best wishes, L.Y.Rao. Dr N Bhashyam <drnbhashyam@ .ca>Cc: lyrastro1 (AT) (DOT) co.in Saturday, 10 May, 2008 3:18:12 PMRe: Re: Astrology : faith or fiction Dear Mr Rao, Thanks for your kind mail and more so for sharing your very exciting and interesting journey in KP school of astrology.I do admire your dedication and respect your knowledge and expertise in predictive astrology and highly appreciate your impressive track record and attainments as a practicing astrologer.I wish you more success in coming days. I do not know as why you are always referring the group as mine and myself belonging to some coterie etc..For your kind information I hardly know any one in the group and joined it only to understand the nuances in astrology from the learned astrologers through their discussions and very informative posts. However, I must admit, I am throughly disappointed and feel sorry to have joined it.I am pretty sure this is not a forum where any meaningful discussion could ever take place in a civilised way without getting personal ,In fact the focus is more on attacking each other rather than the topic under discussion .In addition, expression of disappointment and request for moderation is branded as ' jumped into the fray', the less said is better. I have now decided to leave the group which I feel is in the best interest of both the group as well as myself. By leaving the group at least I will be relieved of reading messages in patently offensive language and the distinguished members of the group can merrily carry on their tirades against each other. While leaving I wish you and the group all the best.Regards,N Bhashyam Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1 (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote: Dear Dr.Bhashyam, Thank you for your informative mail... Discussions were made very subjective by your friend Sanat,and soon after,you jumped into the fray,as it were... I am just a B.Sc.,and I accidentally began studying astrology casually,as a pass time,in 1956...but began a serious study of Traditional Astrology,since my graduation in 1964...and switched over to Krishnamurthi Padhdhati since I met the late Shri K.S.Krishnamurthiji ,in 1975-76. After thoroghly familiarising myself with all the rules,I began practising the practical application of K.P., while I was at Mumbai,as Dy.Gen Mgr. in M/s Raptakos Brett & Co. Ltd.,and used to successfuly tell my secretary exactly what time our peon will return from the bank...etc., and except for the day of the bomb blasts in Mumbai,just opposite our Office...our peon did not return...but it so happenned that he was so scared that he went home....! That prompted me to probe the cause of /reason for failure and I was successful in identifying it...which further helped me to sharpen my skills further...and so on... I can assure you Dr.Bashyam that K.P. is scientific.. .and I have been able to get a score of 85-90 % correct predictions. ..(correct to the day,that is)... Personally I would be extremely glad to be of any help to you for a deep scientific investigation. ..but my knowledge of Mathematics is very poor... What are the parameters set for your research ? May be you might need to change them suitably, to obtain a tangible conclusion.. .? I would suggest that your group familiarises itself with the Basic Principles of K.P. and read the 6 Readers available authored by KSK himself...only ten will a thorough Modern and systematic investigation can be taken up...in the mean while, you are requested not to equate Traditional Astrology with K.P. With best wishes, L.Y.Rao. GOOD LUCK ! Dr N Bhashyam <drnbhashyam@ .ca>Cc: lyrastro1 (AT) (DOT) co.inFriday, 9 May, 2008 4:04:30 PMRe: Re: Astrology : faith or fiction Dear Mr Rao, Thanks for your kind mail and your detailed elucidation. I joined this group expecting the discussion will around issues to with a view to examine in depth the nuances of astrological prediction based on astral configuration so as to evolve some robust algorithms or guidelines to make the predictions as objective as could be possibles such as using tools of statistical inference in inference ,or building mathematical models ,developing rules or operators of interaction etc with a view to make the prediction as objective as possibly could be.I feel , the focus should be to make astrology, a derivative of Astronomy, as robust as Astrophysics .Instead our discussions are mostly getting personal , casting aspersion, doubting each others bona fide, hurling challenges and freely using intemperate language. I believe in discussing issues passionately without doubting each others integrity, honesty and sincerity I feel,we can always agree to disagree.This possibly may not be the way issues in astrology are discussed by among learned astrologers. You were kind enough to question out my academic qualification. For your kind information I hold a PhD degree awarded by University of Delhi on my dissertation 'Theory of Stochastic Duels' .It is possible astrologers may be using such appellations without even going to any academic institution or undergoing any certification tests etc but such is not the case in scientific professions. My name is 'Bhashyam' as you have stated while addressing your valuable comments and not 'Rangabhashyam' as stated by you in the body of your mail.Regards,N BhashyamYogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1 (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote: Dear Mr.Bhashyam, There is a limit for patience,and if one writes insinuating mails,he deserves the contempt,without even knowing the rudiments of what he is 'pontificating' about he/she deserves a stiff reprimand... The basic requirement for acquiring education or getting educated, is the thirst for knowledge,and definitely not pretending to know a subject and that too wrongly... Not knowing a subject is not anybody's fault,but knowing even the rudiments of a subject wrongly but still pontificating on it, is certainly is one's fault... I am begining to doubt the very intentions of your members... Prejudice against astrology oozes from your members freely,as seen from their irrational and biased mails based on half-cooked knowledge... such a prejudiced lot of people calling themselves as "people in search of the TRUTH"... is a travesty of the spirit of inquiry... ! I hope an honest attempt is made to delve into the science behind astrology... by first studying the basics of the subject one is talking/writing about,trying it out in a number of cases and then reaching any conclusion.. .In the case of your over-enthusistic member,he does not know even the a,b,c of Krishnamurthi Padhdhati a unique method of prognostication. .. but still, insinuates about it's efficacy etc...Is that Scientific by any definition ? I appreciate your "loyalty" to your friend.....but my advice to you too is "learn about any subject thoroughly before making any irrational comments,not based on your own experience.. ." Mr. Rangabhashyam( only if you are a Ph.D or a D.Sc. you can use your nasme as Dr. so and so do let me know), pl study K.P. first,try it out and then comment...with examples...if you've made any mistake stalwarts in K.P., will definitely help you correct them and know the application of K.P., better.. May better sense prevail on the group... With best wishes, L.Y.Rao. GOOD LUCK ! Dr N Bhashyam <drnbhashyam@ .ca>Thursday, 8 May, 2008 3:42:18 PMRe: Re: Astrology : faith or fiction As far as I know knowledge teaches humility, patience, tolerance,understan ding etc.This is the basic premise of education where those endowed with knowledge volunteer to impart knowledge to those devoid of it . Possibly possibly astrology is beyond all these mundane matters of and is not for the less mortals.It is the close preserve of selected few chosen fortunate ones.Any one trying to intrude the privacy will be rebuffed and unceremoniously booted out.Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1 (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote: Dear Sanat, As one Mormon said to another..." thy mother shall bite thee from under the table"...! In other words you are trying to get bitchy...while pretending that you know a lot about astrology... Sanat you do not know even the BASICS,atleast of K.P.,and any explanations are surely BEYOND your severely limited comprehension. .. If at all you want to enter into serious discussions, first read the 6 readers of KP., and then let us discuss to your heart's content...you seem to be itching for a "showdown" ? If so you had better come premared...a kindergarten student trying to discuss an intricate subject like astrology is most ridiculous.. . Grow up and stop behaving like a spoilt kid...better still fet some psychiatric help,to help you get over your severe inferiority complex...! Every assumption you've made IS WRONG... Study K.P., till such time,pl. do not undress yourself in public or get undressed in public... This advice is meant for Deepika and Sheetal also who it seems are in cahoots with you... L.Y.Rao. sanat2221 <sanatkumar_jain@ rediffmail. com>Wednesday, 7 May, 2008 11:20:36 PM Re: Astrology : faith or fiction Resp. Rao Ji,Namaskar,Thanks for your msg.Though you have praised a lot about your prediction based on KP. Praising your prediction skill is useful in luring your ignorant, innocent clients but here I want to have some serious discussion. You have not answered my earlier points.""So we come back to your point. With the help of Ruling planet (KP system) you forecasted about the exact time (say any incident). It means whenever that socalled planet will be ruling planet that incident will occur. What do you say? (My next comment is reserved for next msg.)Or we may take it otherwise. Horoscope of an individual is fixed, transit of planet is fixed, principle of ruling planet or dasha etc. is fixed. Thus when ingredients are fixed it means result or forecast or conclusion is also fixed. What do you say? (My next comment is reserved for next msg.)""I have also studied KP and you can see that I have even fused it along with other principles in Eskain horoscope (available in file section).When you have many RP then it is only a matter of chance to select a planet, sometime, out of 7 planets. Like many other North Indian astrologers or western astrologers you have claimed to forecast a correct incident. But like all other astrologers you are not disclosing the failures of your prediction, which may be 50% or more.Regarding your statement "which had crowned him with unprecedented success and fame", I will like to say with all my regards to K.S.Krishnamurthiji that fame and success has nothing to do with correctness. You may have seen many famous cheaters too. So forget about the success or fame. We are concerned with analysis of predictive principles.By your statement "RPs at Birth of an individual will also rule the moment of his death." we can at the most say that it is the magic of astrology (where we see that an egg is coming out from the hat of a magician but how; that we don't know and purchasing that hat in the hope of more eggs). Because there are many RP at the time of birth likewise many RP at the time of death. Hence it is quite natural that out of only 7 planets some planet will match. For any demo any one can easily find matching planets but now where is the prediction. Do you want to say that RP (any one out of many) of birth time will never be RP till death and suddenly it will be RP at the time of death? Can you distinguish a sex of various horoscopes? At the most you can say that time of birth is not correct. But suppose after manipulating time of birth and matching with sex can you forecast time of death based on your RP theory.Concept of KP (lord, sublord etc) is only based on Vinshottary dasha. In VD we used to draw Dasha, antar, prat, sukshm dasha of planets linked with const. and in KP we used reverse process and term them as lord, sublord after linking them with const. So it is not a new concept but a old concept in new shape.So what is your opinion? Is astrology a pudding >>>>>> The proof of the pudding,as they say is in eating it...not discussing how it is made...<<<<< < and not a science?We in the forum is discussing about the preparation of principles and not eating them like blind faith.So you can pickup any `basic' principle of KP like dasha, aspect, exalted, ascendant and so on. Choice is yours with your logical answers and I will like to learn after solving my logical queries. Thus we can be able to improve our skill and knowledge. Remember nothing is personal as you have not formulated the principles of KP.Thanks,Yours truly,SanatPS : Silent members may please take active part in any interaction with their views. Because only then, they can be able to sharpen their stand and other members may also be benefited. They may take any earlier point too, discussed and mentioned in various SOA_______ files in file section. Other SOA files are in the pipe line.From the various SOA______ files innocent and ignorant members, who are not professional astrologers or blind supporter of predictive astrology, may see that not a single astrologer is coming forward with their logical and scientific explanation. Supporters of predictive astrology may invite their personal friends, friends of other forum to have a open discussion on the principles of astrology. Because they can learn astrology anywhere but its scientific aspect can only be discussed in this forum, where every one with any views is welcome unlike other forums.Krishnamurty Ji, has not provided supplementary information in support of his principle on diabetes. , Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1@. ..> wrote:>> Dear Sanat,>                 The Ruling Planets theory is the essence of the late K.S.Krishnamurthiji ,which had crowned him with unprecedented success and fame...>                 Briefly, FIVE PLANETS rule any moment of time at any given moment...They are : in order of strength The Star-lord of the Ascendant rising at the moment,it's sign-lord,the Moon's star-lord at that moment,it's sign-lord and the lord of the day...these 5 planets,as per K.P., rule any given moment of time...Later, the sub-lord of the Ascendant and the Moon's sub-lord were also added...making it 7 planets who rule any given moment of Time...>                  In the the same way,Ruling Planets (at Birth),of any living person are determined.. .and it has been demonstrated on umpteen occasions that these RPs play a definite role in every major event that takes place in the pesons entire life-time...>                   There are many other ways when the RPs play a mysterious role...in fructification of an event,such that one can boldly predict exactly when a particular event will take place,even at what time etc...very accurately,by a K.P. stalwart...and so on...>                   This small little wonderful discovery has made K.P. the most accurate method of prognostication. ..>                    For example it is now an established fact that the RPs ruling at the start of any endeavour will also rule,though not necessarily in the same order of strength...at the time of accomplishment. ..>                   The RPs at Birth of an individual will also rule the moment of his death...! This has been verified by KSK and his discples/students in numberless cases.....>                   Only K.P. can explain the different careers/professions /structures/ sex of each,in the case of twin births...born separated by a few minutes of each other's birth...>                    No other astrological system so far invented can predict this with such accuracy as K.P. can...     >                   I definitely can provide you with a number of my prdeictions which came true to the exact date,as predicted... and every issue of the excellent Magazine K.P. & Astrology, has been publishing and continues to,several correct predictions by students as well as adepts...! >                    The proof of the pudding,as they say is in eating it...not discussing how it is made..... ! ! >                   With best wishes and kind regards,>                    L.Y.Rao. >                                                 GOOD LUCK !            >                  > > > > sanat2221 <sanatkumar_ jain> > Monday, 5 May, 2008 11:16:07 PM> Re: Astrology : faith or fiction> > > Resp. Rao Ji,> Namaskar,> Thanks for your first msg and hope we will be able to find many more > msgs in future.> > Let us take your first sentence.> >>>>> Astrology is definitely NOT a myth.<<<<<> I can presume that it is your opinion and experience; and you want to > support it with your past demonstration. Suppose one individual > (fanatic in your opinion) says that it is coincidence or say it is > myth based on his experience; and you stand with your sentence that > astrology is not a myth. So where is the conclusion?> > Actually at this point you both departed from each other without in-> depth digging in support of any stand and informing each other about > the basics behind any stand. Because, analysis of astrological > principles requires a systematic and unbiased approach. But > unfortunately we always try to discuss our own experience instead of > discussing about the validity or reasonability of astrological > principles it-self. You may have seen from past msgs. that how > members try to jump from one question to another without sticking to > one point for final analysis and conclusion (that's why I have > devised the system of SOA_______). This is the tactics used by > supporters and point of dispute gets diluted and takes some other > direction. But in this forum, which is only one and first too, we are > trying to analyze every point related to predictive astrology with > discussion and exchange of views till some conclusion may be drawn by > the members from SOA__ files.> > So we come back to your point. With the help of Ruling planet (KP > system) you forecasted about the exact time (say any incident). It > means whenever that socalled planet will be ruling planet that > incident will occur. What do you say? (My next comment is reserved > for next msg.)> > Or we may take it otherwise. Horoscope of an individual is fixed, > transit of planet is fixed, principle of ruling planet or dasha etc. > is fixed. Thus when ingredients are fixed it means result or forecast > or conclusion is also fixed. What do you say? (My next comment is > reserved for next msg.)> > Members are always invited to share their views, because members can > learn the astrology from anywhere but can discuss only in this forum. > So feel free to share your view, question etc.> > Sh Rao Ji, will you please like to give some resume about your-self > to have a proper image for answering? At least I can forecast that > you are a professional astrologer hence I hope to have very strong > logic in your support.> > Thanks,> > Yours truly,> sanat> > , "L.Y.Rao." <lyrastro1@ ..> > wrote:> >> > Dear Ramjee & Sanat Kumar,> > Astrology is definitely NOT a > > myth...Increasingly ,learned and experienced astrologers ALL over > the > > world have proved this,by their sometimes uncannily correct > > prognostications, but, under the excuse of "the proofs NOT > > being 'scientific enough' whatever that may puport to mean"...the > so-> > called "scientists" have all ganged up,or so it seems,to singularly > > target astrology... . . as not being scientific and relegating it to the > > status of a myth...and malign it...> > I have had a few occassions to > demonstrate > > to such "Scientific- minded pseudo-intellectual s",with the help of > the > > RULING PLANETS...the almost exact time of arrival of their children > > from school or their servant sent on an errand...etc. .. but > > unfortunately they are so FANATIC that the dismiss these as mere > > coincidences. ..How more illogical can they get ?> > Be that as it may,don't you all think > that > > people like Prof.. Narlikar or people like him,be drafted in as > members> > inorder to provide strong "so-called scientific arguments" for > > experienced astrologers to refute LOGICALLY and with "LIVE" > examples.?> > With best wishes,> > L.Y.Rao.> > > > >> > > Dear Sri Sanatkumar ji,> > > > > > > > > At the outset I would like to > > bring to your notice that any discussion is possible only when one > > knows the subject. But what I find from the file section, most of > the > > writers have preconceived projudice for or against Astrology. If we > > want some healthy discussion on the subject let us chalk out > certain > > plans. For example we may dicuss primary differences between > > astronomy and astrology viz. Raghu And Kethu, these two are not > > planets or sattalites, but astrologers give importance to these > nodes > > HOW & WHY> > > > > > Let us hear frm our friends> > > > > > sanat2221 <sanatkumar_ jain@> wrote:> > > > > > > > > Resp Dr. Bhashyam Ji,> > > Namaskar,> > > Why you think like> > > "As and when I am able to, I will certainly join the discussion."> > > Because members can learn astrology from anywhere but this is the > > > only forum where members can freely discuss the principles of > > > astrology. Hence you can also very well discuss or give your > > opinion > > > on any point. > > > > > > Hope to have your comments on "astrology a science or myth" in > file > > > section. From your comments members will take a queue and will > come > > > forward. You may also call your other astrologer friends for > > > interaction.> > > > > > Thanks> > > Yours truly,> > > sanat> > > > > > PS:> > > > > > Ms. Dipika Ji, we are not receiving your msg. and comments on > > various > > > points> > > Sh.Krishnamurthy Ji, I am awaiting your reply on your principle > of > > > diabetes for further interaction.> > > Sh. Bala ji, You have not raised any point after Nadishastra. > Have > > > you seen the working? Pl. inform me, so that I may now offer my > > > comments as no one has offered their comments. You can share your > > > other experience of astrology too.> > > Econdude : rejoinder on my observation on affect of planets is > > > awaited. Are you satisfied with my observation.> > > > > > Members who are in favour of predictive astrology must come > forward > > > with their experience and they may call their personal friends > too > > in > > > this forum.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ---> > > Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with > Mobile. > > Try it now.> > >> >> > > > > From Chandigarh to Chennai - find friends all over India. Go to http://in.promos. / groups/citygroup s/> From Chandigarh to Chennai - find friends all over India. Looking for the perfect gift? Give the gift of Flickr! Unlimited freedom, unlimited storage. Get it now Ask a question on any topic and get answers from real people. Go to Answers. Best Jokes, Best Friends, Best Food. Get all this and more on Best of . Ask a question on any topic and get answers from real people. Go to Answers. Bollywood, fun, friendship, sports and more. You name it, we have it. 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Guest guest Posted May 11, 2008 Report Share Posted May 11, 2008 Resp. Rao Ji, Thanks for your advice for whistling from a tree, but how long I have to whistle for your answer on the following points raised on various dates. With the help of Ruling planet (KP system) you forecasted about the exact time (say any incident). It means whenever that socalled planet will be ruling planet that incident will occur. What do you say? (My next comment is reserved for next msg.) Or we may take it otherwise. Horoscope of an individual is fixed, transit of planet is fixed, principle of ruling planet or dasha etc. is fixed. Thus when ingredients are fixed it means result or forecast or conclusion is also fixed. What do you say? (My next comment is reserved for next msg.) Raised on 5-5-08 So you can pickup any `basic' principle of KP like dasha, aspect, exalted, ascendant and so on. Choice is yours with your logical answers Raised on 7-5-08 Before we take a step to correct the time of birth you have to admit that 1 time of birth in most of the horoscope is incorrect. 2 Before pendulum watch there was no correct system for finding out the correct time of birth. Thus old astrologers too were befooling innocent public. 3 In this situation those astrologers who are not following the KP system for correcting the time of birth is actually befooling innocent public. Raised on 8-5-08 By simply pronouncing that KP is right, how you can say that it is `truth' until unless you answer the queries raised against your views. So, I will like to request that instead of useless narration, try to answer the question and either teach or learn. I am still waiting on the tree for some useful msg., despite your rude behavior, keeping in mind about your age and my intention to disclose the truth. Thanks, Yours sanat PS : Sh Ramjee, I am waiting for your views on Rahu Ketu for further interaction. You can also refer SOA-16_____ of file section for further interaction. Sh Bala Ji, for Nadishastra, if you are free from family problems. Ms. Dipika, for your comments Sh Krishnamurthy Ji for reply on principle of diabetes …………… and other members for your views, comments on various SOA_____files or any new point. Thanks , Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1 wrote: > > Dear Sanat, >                  CLIMB A TREE & WHISTLE... >                  L.Y.Rao. > > > > > sanat2221 <sanatkumar_jain > > Friday, 9 May, 2008 11:04:53 PM > Re: Astrology : faith or fiction > > > Resp. Rao Ji, > Namaskar, > I find your three msgs. But you have not answered any question except > self boosting and use of filthy language. Even the tone of your msg. > is not like an educated person. I am not talking about the language > used against me, but I am referring the language which you have used > against our resp. members like Dr. Bhashyam Ji, or another resp. lady > members like Ms. Dipika Ji and another Ms. Sheetal Ji, who is perhaps > not a member in the forum (but I will like to invite her if you or > some one inform me email). I am keeping a note of your language. > Moreover there is no question of loyalty. As I have not purchased any > one nor I have given some money to some one (which is the policy of > America, where you are living). > > So first of all be polite and learn to face opposite views, learn to > write in a forum, learn to behave with elders, learn to address any > lady…….. It is not a street fight where you can use any language or > shoot a person (as a common practice in USA). Hence I am again > quoting a para of welcome note which you may have received in the > very beginning and hope in future you will write properly and > academically. > > " I also want to inform you that this forum is intended to unearth the > science of astrology hence interaction is totally academic and may > never be taken as personal. Because it is natural that we may have > difference of opinion but there must be no personal difference, and > try to strongly convince the members with your stand, logic, > scientific concept etc., but never use insulting or filthy language, > as is being done in many other forums. Thus give regard to get regard > for maintaining a healthy academic atmosphere. " > > Now I will give answers to your 3 msgs. > > If you want to show your superiority and want to intimate that you > are living in USA and your fee is 60$ and your time is precious and > you require money before any answer and so on then this information > can also be provided in a very simple manner instead of using a msg > with high tone. > > Resp Rao ji, If you are living in USA, it does not mean that we, who > are living in India have no mind, or have plenty time for writing > useless msgs and so useless that we cant pay your 60$ for knowing the > future. There are lot of peoples who can give you lot of money for > your services. And actually you must not waste your time for meager 60 > $ if you are so confident about your prediction. You may immediately > contact Randy foundation, who is very much in USA and ready give an > award of one million $. You can find their email and other details in > a file " Astrology a science or myth " lying in file section along with > many other information. But I, after reading astrology (including > your 6 readers of KP) during last 40 years and writing two original > books on astrology know that it is totally bogus without any > scientific basis (You can also refer file " Eskain horoscope " which > includes KP also and software of this Horoscope was developed by me > personally). Thus you can very well imagine that if I can do that > much labour then I can easily cheat innocent public too and can earn > through this cheating business. Yes, by the way my English > book " Astrology a science or myth " is being marketed by Amazon and > others (see website in above referred file) in USA, UK etc. and cost > of the book is also 60$. This book also covers your KP and after > reading original 450 research based pages of the book (which may take > more then one year to read), you can find that how it is bogus (front > page of the book is signature picture of the forum). Since first > publication of the book in 2003 (Hindi) not a single astrologer > (including follower of KP) has come forward in support of principles > of predictive astrology despite my personal information to them. > Contrary to this many of them, after reading the book, have admitted > in personal meeting that astrology is bogus. If you are not willing > to spend that much amount then please inform me. I will ask the > publisher to provide some concession. I also know that most of the > Americans, do not even know the difference between the astronomy and > astrology. Hence you can continue with your business (at least you > are not befooling Indians) and why don't you contact President Bush > and advice him about Laden and other problems hovering over his head, > with the help of KP. > > KP (or Indian astrology) will not be regarded as science at least by > me, merely by your shouting; until unless you are able to convince > others. Actually you have wasted your time in writing msgs. without > any answer to my previous pointed queries, otherwise I would have > been able to inform you (or raise) some more points. > > I hope henceforth you will write your msg (without $) as an academic > discussion, with good language, if you have plenty of time or depute > some one else for this job or can do this job through outsourcing. > > Actually there is nothing in your msg. on which I may have to answer. > Thus my previous questions are pending. Yes, please do not serve a > dish (predictive astrology) without disclosing the content of the > pudding (principle of predictive astrology) and do not try to feed > junk food with " The proof of the pudding,as they say is in eating > it...not discussing how it is made... ! ! " , because poisonous pudding > may be dangerous to life. As " PREDICTIVE ASTROLOGY IS DENGEROUS TO > SELF CONFIDENCE " . > > Thanks, > > Yours truly, > Sanat > > PS : Ms. Dipika Ji, if you know about Ms. Sheetal then please ask her > to join the forum. We are waiting for your comments on various msg. > > , Yogesh Rao Lajmi > <lyrastro1@ ..> wrote: > > > > Dear Sanat, > >                  Â  You do not seem to know what > you are writing about... > >                  Â  If you want me to answer your > queries,pl. send me US $ 60/- my usual fees for analysing a > horoscope... else I cannot spare to answer silly questions based on > half-baked knowledge of K.P., and even,I suspect,traditional > astrology also...My time is precious... > >                  Â  Â You may send the money by > Western Union or Thomas Cook & Co., or by a bank draft payable at a > Mumbai Bank... > >                  Â  In the meanwhile study K.P. > from the 6 readers that are available in the US...and then , > > if yo can understand it ask questions... > >                  Â  A prejudiced mind will,I'm > afraid not allow you to be fairminded at all... > >                  Â  Send the money and then talk... > >                  Â  Â L.Y.Rao. > >                  Â  > > > > > > > > > > sanat2221 <sanatkumar_ jain@> > > > > Wednesday, 7 May, 2008 11:20:36 PM > > Re: Astrology : faith or fiction > > > > > > > > Resp. Rao Ji, > > Namaskar, > > Thanks for your msg. > > Though you have praised a lot about your prediction based on KP. > > Praising your prediction skill is useful in luring your ignorant, > > innocent clients but here I want to have some serious discussion. > You > > have not answered my earlier points. > > > > " " So we come back to your point. With the help of Ruling planet (KP > > system) you forecasted about the exact time (say any incident). It > > means whenever that socalled planet will be ruling planet that > > incident will occur. What do you say? (My next comment is reserved > > for next msg.) > > > > Or we may take it otherwise. Horoscope of an individual is fixed, > > transit of planet is fixed, principle of ruling planet or dasha > etc. > > is fixed. Thus when ingredients are fixed it means result or > forecast > > or conclusion is also fixed. What do you say? (My next comment is > > reserved for next msg.) " " > > > > I have also studied KP and you can see that I have even fused it > > along with other principles in Eskain horoscope (available in file > > section). > > > > When you have many RP then it is only a matter of chance to select > a > > planet, sometime, out of 7 planets. Like many other North Indian > > astrologers or western astrologers you have claimed to forecast a > > correct incident. But like all other astrologers you are not > > disclosing the failures of your prediction, which may be 50% or > more. > > > > Regarding your statement " which had crowned him with unprecedented > > success and fame " , I will like to say with all my regards to > > K.S.Krishnamurthiji that fame and success has nothing to do with > > correctness. You may have seen many famous cheaters too. So forget > > about the success or fame. We are concerned with analysis of > > predictive principles. > > > > By your statement " RPs at Birth of an individual will also rule the > > moment of his death. " we can at the most say that it is the magic > of > > astrology (where we see that an egg is coming out from the hat of a > > magician but how; that we don't know and purchasing that hat in the > > hope of more eggs). Because there are many RP at the time of birth > > likewise many RP at the time of death. Hence it is quite natural > that > > out of only 7 planets some planet will match. For any demo any one > > can easily find matching planets but now where is the prediction. > Do > > you want to say that RP (any one out of many) of birth time will > > never be RP till death and suddenly it will be RP at the time of > > death? > > > > Can you distinguish a sex of various horoscopes? At the most you > can > > say that time of birth is not correct. But suppose after > manipulating > > time of birth and matching with sex can you forecast time of death > > based on your RP theory. > > > > Concept of KP (lord, sublord etc) is only based on Vinshottary > dasha. > > In VD we used to draw Dasha, antar, prat, sukshm dasha of planets > > linked with const. and in KP we used reverse process and term them > as > > lord, sublord after linking them with const. So it is not a new > > concept but a old concept in new shape. > > > > So what is your opinion? Is astrology a pudding >>>>>> The proof of > > the pudding,as they say is in eating it...not discussing how it is > > made...<<<<< < and not a science? > > > > We in the forum is discussing about the preparation of principles > and > > not eating them like blind faith. > > > > So you can pickup any `basic' principle of KP like dasha, aspect, > > exalted, ascendant and so on. Choice is yours with your logical > > answers and I will like to learn after solving my logical queries. > > Thus we can be able to improve our skill and knowledge. > > > > Remember nothing is personal as you have not formulated the > > principles of KP. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Yours truly, > > Sanat > > > > PS : Silent members may please take active part in any interaction > > with their views. Because only then, they can be able to sharpen > > their stand and other members may also be benefited. They may take > > any earlier point too, discussed and mentioned in various > SOA_______ > > files in file section. Other SOA files are in the pipe line. > > > > From the various SOA______ files innocent and ignorant members, who > > are not professional astrologers or blind supporter of predictive > > astrology, may see that not a single astrologer is coming forward > > with their logical and scientific explanation. Supporters of > > predictive astrology may invite their personal friends, friends of > > other forum to have a open discussion on the principles of > astrology. > > Because they can learn astrology anywhere but its scientific aspect > > can only be discussed in this forum, where every one with any views > > is welcome unlike other forums. > > > > Krishnamurty Ji, has not provided supplementary information in > > support of his principle on diabetes. > > > > , Yogesh Rao Lajmi > > <lyrastro1@ ..> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Sanat, > > >        Â  Ã‚ Â Â Â Â Â Â Â  > The Ruling Planets theory is the > > essence of the late K.S.Krishnamurthiji ,which had crowned him with > > unprecedented success and fame... > > >        Â  Ã‚ Â Â Â Â Â Â Â  > Briefly, FIVE PLANETS rule any > > moment of time at any given moment...They are : in order of > strength > > The Star-lord of the Ascendant rising at the moment,it's sign- > > lord,the Moon's star-lord at that moment,it's sign-lord and the > lord > > of the day...these 5 planets,as per K.P., rule any given moment of > > time...Later, the sub-lord of the Ascendant and the Moon's sub- lord > > were also added...making it 7 planets who rule any given moment of > > Time... > > > >        Â  Ã‚ Â Â Â Â Â Â Â  Â > In the the same way,Ruling > > Planets (at Birth),of any living person are determined.. .and it > has > > been demonstrated on umpteen occasions that these RPs play a > definite > > role in every major event that takes place in the pesons entire > life- > > time... > > > >        Â  Ã‚ Â Â Â Â Â Â Â  Â Â >  There are many other ways when > > the RPs play a mysterious role...in fructification of an event,such > > that one can boldly predict exactly when a particular event will > take > > place,even at what time etc...very accurately,by a K.P. > > stalwart...and so on... > > > >        Â  Ã‚ Â Â Â Â Â Â Â  Â Â >  This small little wonderful > > discovery has made K.P. the most accurate method of > prognostication. .. > > > >        Â  Ã‚ Â Â Â Â Â Â Â  Â Â >  Â For example it is now an > > established fact that the RPs ruling at the start of any endeavour > > will also rule,though not necessarily in the same order of > > strength...at the time of accomplishment. .. > > > >        Â  Ã‚ Â Â Â Â Â Â Â  Â Â >  The RPs at Birth of an > > individual will also rule the moment of his death...! This has been > > verified by KSK and his discples/students in numberless cases... > > > >        Â  Ã‚ Â Â Â Â Â Â Â  Â Â >  Only K.P. can explain the > > different careers/professions /structures/ sex of each,in the case > of > > twin births...born separated by a few minutes of each other's > birth... > > > >        Â  Ã‚ Â Â Â Â Â Â Â  Â Â >  Â No other astrological system > > so far invented can predict this with such accuracy as K.P. > > can...     > > > >        Â  Ã‚ Â Â Â Â Â Â Â  Â Â >  I definitely can provide you > > with a number of my prdeictions which came true to the exact > date,as > > predicted... and every issue of the excellent Magazine K.P. & > > Astrology, has been publishing and continues to,several correct > > predictions by students as well as adepts...! > > > >        Â  Ã‚ Â Â Â Â Â Â Â  Â Â >  Â The proof of the pudding,as > > they say is in eating it...not discussing how it is made... ! ! > > > >        Â  Ã‚ Â Â Â Â Â Â Â  Â Â >  With best wishes and kind > > regards, > > > >        Â  Ã‚ Â Â Â Â Â Â Â  Â Â >  Â L.Y.Rao. > > > > > >        Â  Ã‚ Â Â Â Â Â Â Â  Â Â >  Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Ã⠀šÃ‚ Ã‚ Â Â Â Â Â Â à ƒâ€šÃ‚ Ã‚ > >        Â  Ã‚ Â Â Â Â GOOD LUCK ! >        Â  Ã‚ Â Â Â > > > >        Â  Ã‚ Â Â Â Â Â Â Â  Â > > > > > > > > > > > > sanat2221 <sanatkumar_ jain@> > > > > > > Monday, 5 May, 2008 11:16:07 PM > > > Re: Astrology : faith or fiction > > > > > > > > > Resp. Rao Ji, > > > Namaskar, > > > Thanks for your first msg and hope we will be able to find many > > more > > > msgs in future. > > > > > > Let us take your first sentence. > > > >>>>> Astrology is definitely NOT a myth.<<<<< > > > I can presume that it is your opinion and experience; and you > want > > to > > > support it with your past demonstration. Suppose one individual > > > (fanatic in your opinion) says that it is coincidence or say it > is > > > myth based on his experience; and you stand with your sentence > that > > > astrology is not a myth. So where is the conclusion? > > > > > > Actually at this point you both departed from each other without > in- > > > depth digging in support of any stand and informing each other > > about > > > the basics behind any stand. Because, analysis of astrological > > > principles requires a systematic and unbiased approach. But > > > unfortunately we always try to discuss our own experience instead > > of > > > discussing about the validity or reasonability of astrological > > > principles it-self. You may have seen from past msgs. that how > > > members try to jump from one question to another without sticking > > to > > > one point for final analysis and conclusion (that's why I have > > > devised the system of SOA_______). This is the tactics used by > > > supporters and point of dispute gets diluted and takes some other > > > direction. But in this forum, which is only one and first too, we > > are > > > trying to analyze every point related to predictive astrology > with > > > discussion and exchange of views till some conclusion may be > drawn > > by > > > the members from SOA__ files. > > > > > > So we come back to your point. With the help of Ruling planet (KP > > > system) you forecasted about the exact time (say any incident). > It > > > means whenever that socalled planet will be ruling planet that > > > incident will occur. What do you say? (My next comment is > reserved > > > for next msg.) > > > > > > Or we may take it otherwise. Horoscope of an individual is fixed, > > > transit of planet is fixed, principle of ruling planet or dasha > > etc. > > > is fixed. Thus when ingredients are fixed it means result or > > forecast > > > or conclusion is also fixed. What do you say? (My next comment is > > > reserved for next msg.) > > > > > > Members are always invited to share their views, because members > > can > > > learn the astrology from anywhere but can discuss only in this > > forum. > > > So feel free to share your view, question etc. > > > > > > Sh Rao Ji, will you please like to give some resume about your- > self > > > to have a proper image for answering? At least I can forecast > that > > > you are a professional astrologer hence I hope to have very > strong > > > logic in your support. > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > Yours truly, > > > sanat > > > > > > , " L.Y.Rao. " > > <lyrastro1@ ..> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Ramjee & Sanat Kumar, > > > > Astrology is definitely NOT a > > > > myth...Increasingly ,learned and experienced astrologers ALL > over > > > the > > > > world have proved this,by their sometimes uncannily correct > > > > prognostications, but, under the excuse of " the proofs NOT > > > > being 'scientific enough' whatever that may puport to > mean " ...the > > > so- > > > > called " scientists " have all ganged up,or so it seems,to > > singularly > > > > target astrology... as not being scientific and relegating it > to > > the > > > > status of a myth...and malign it... > > > > I have had a few occassions to > > > demonstrate > > > > to such " Scientific- minded pseudo-intellectual s " ,with the > help > > of > > > the > > > > RULING PLANETS...the almost exact time of arrival of their > > children > > > > from school or their servant sent on an errand...etc. .. but > > > > unfortunately they are so FANATIC that the dismiss these as > mere > > > > coincidences. ..How more illogical can they get ? > > > > Be that as it may,don't you all think > > > that > > > > people like Prof. Narlikar or people like him,be drafted in as > > > members > > > > inorder to provide strong " so-called scientific arguments " for > > > > experienced astrologers to refute LOGICALLY and with " LIVE " > > > examples.? > > > > With best wishes, > > > > L.Y.Rao. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sri Sanatkumar ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > At the outset I would like to > > > > bring to your notice that any discussion is possible only when > > one > > > > knows the subject. But what I find from the file section, most > of > > > the > > > > writers have preconceived projudice for or against Astrology. > If > > we > > > > want some healthy discussion on the subject let us chalk out > > > certain > > > > plans. For example we may dicuss primary differences between > > > > astronomy and astrology viz. Raghu And Kethu, these two are not > > > > planets or sattalites, but astrologers give importance to these > > > nodes > > > > HOW & WHY > > > > > > > > > > Let us hear frm our friends > > > > > > > > > > sanat2221 <sanatkumar_ jain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Resp Dr. Bhashyam Ji, > > > > > Namaskar, > > > > > Why you think like > > > > > " As and when I am able to, I will certainly join the > > discussion. " > > > > > Because members can learn astrology from anywhere but this is > > the > > > > > only forum where members can freely discuss the principles of > > > > > astrology. Hence you can also very well discuss or give your > > > > opinion > > > > > on any point. > > > > > > > > > > Hope to have your comments on " astrology a science or myth " > in > > > file > > > > > section. From your comments members will take a queue and > will > > > come > > > > > forward. You may also call your other astrologer friends for > > > > > interaction. > > > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > Yours truly, > > > > > sanat > > > > > > > > > > PS: > > > > > > > > > > Ms. Dipika Ji, we are not receiving your msg. and comments on > > > > various > > > > > points > > > > > Sh.Krishnamurthy Ji, I am awaiting your reply on your > principle > > > of > > > > > diabetes for further interaction. > > > > > Sh. Bala ji, You have not raised any point after Nadishastra. > > > Have > > > > > you seen the working? Pl. inform me, so that I may now offer > my > > > > > comments as no one has offered their comments. You can share > > your > > > > > other experience of astrology too. > > > > > Econdude : rejoinder on my observation on affect of planets > is > > > > > awaited. Are you satisfied with my observation. > > > > > > > > > > Members who are in favour of predictive astrology must come > > > forward > > > > > with their experience and they may call their personal > friends > > > too > > > > in > > > > > this forum. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --- > > > > > Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with > > > Mobile. > > > > Try it now. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From Chandigarh to Chennai - find friends all over India. Go > > to http://in.promos. / groups/citygroup s/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > Did you know? You can CHAT without downloading messenger. Go > to http://in.messenger ./ webmessengerprom o.php/ > > > > > > > Bollywood, fun, friendship, sports and more. 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Guest guest Posted May 12, 2008 Report Share Posted May 12, 2008 Dear Yogesh ji, NamasteThanks for expressing your inability to showcase your knowledge on a " profound " subject like astrology.(even when similar discussions on profound subjects like philosophy, cryogenics, nanotechnology are being discussed on dedicated internet groups) Till then you can keep guessing when the peon returns from the market, the next crow calls or the next email appears on this group, of course all these things depends on past karma of a previous life (which somehow gets expressed in the birth time planetary configurations and transits). Also, like the best love stories you can keep writing the best k.p. astrological stories written by the greatest failures in k.p. astrology.best regardsDipikaPS: Readers please accommodate the sarcastic tone of this email warranted by the language of mr rao himself. LY Rao wrote: " Perhaps you are not aware of the writings of Prof Wiseacker,The President of the Max Planck Institute,and also the large number of experiments performed under the severe scrutiny of well known Scientists.. .at Stanford University,in the USA and and at the Kirov University in Russia... " LY Rao wrote: " I definitely can provide you with a number of my prdeictions which came true to the exact date,as predicted...and every issue of the excellent Magazine K.P. & Astrology, has been publishing and continues to,several correct predictions by students as well as adepts... " On Sun, May 11, 2008 at 8:01 PM, Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1 wrote: Dear Dipika, Granted that your Group thinks no end of itself and it's " intelligence " ,which is infact all bookish knowledge written by others...just like the the best love-stories are almost always written by the greatest failures in love... ! I do not see any point in discussing such a profound subject like K.P., with " kindergarten " students like you...and your group... This correspondence is closed till you grow up...in age education and worldly experience... Actually it needs only a small pin prick to burst your bloated egos...because you think that getting degrees etc., is being educated...you seem to me among the most uneducated educated... ! ! This correspondence will remain closed till you grow up,while you raise your own children,experience unforeseen difficulties beyond resonable/relevant causes...or causes you can not comprehend and so on...and realise(perhaps the hard way) that one is destined to suffer/enjoy in life as per his/her past Karma...K.P. helps unravel one's past Karma...and what is in store for him/her... Then perhaps you will be " ripe " enough and mature enough to discuss profound subjects like Philosophy,Astrology et al. Till such time, this correspondence will remain closed for you and your " over-intelligent " members.... L.Y.Rao. dipika blr <blr.aspirant Sent: Sunday, 11 May, 2008 3:05:57 PMRe: Re: Astrology : faith or fiction Dear Yogesh ji Namaste,If you are trying to suggest there is proof for KP system or any other form of astrology, kindly post it else the group members are intelligent enough not to be misled by your tall claims. RegardsDips On Sat, May 10, 2008 at 8:03 PM, Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1 (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote: Dear Dr.Bhashyam, Thanks for your " scientifically drafted mail " ... Perhaps you are not aware of the writings of Prof Wiseacker,The President of the Max Planck Institute,and also the large number of experiments performed under the severe scrutiny of well known Scientists.. .at Stanford University,in the USA and and at the Kirov University in Russia... Any way,as they say, " ignorance is bliss " ...I leave you to enjoy your bliss at leisure... Kindly refrain from sending me any reply or " repartee " ...this correspondence is closed... With best wishes, L.Y.Rao. Dr N Bhashyam <drnbhashyam@ .ca> Cc: lyrastro1 (AT) (DOT) co.in Saturday, 10 May, 2008 3:18:12 PMRe: Re: Astrology : faith or fiction Dear Mr Rao, Thanks for your kind mail and more so for sharing your very exciting and interesting journey in KP school of astrology.I do admire your dedication and respect your knowledge and expertise in predictive astrology and highly appreciate your impressive track record and attainments as a practicing astrologer.I wish you more success in coming days. I do not know as why you are always referring the group as mine and myself belonging to some coterie etc..For your kind information I hardly know any one in the group and joined it only to understand the nuances in astrology from the learned astrologers through their discussions and very informative posts. However, I must admit, I am throughly disappointed and feel sorry to have joined it.I am pretty sure this is not a forum where any meaningful discussion could ever take place in a civilised way without getting personal ,In fact the focus is more on attacking each other rather than the topic under discussion .In addition, expression of disappointment and request for moderation is branded as ' jumped into the fray', the less said is better. I have now decided to leave the group which I feel is in the best interest of both the group as well as myself. By leaving the group at least I will be relieved of reading messages in patently offensive language and the distinguished members of the group can merrily carry on their tirades against each other. While leaving I wish you and the group all the best.Regards,N Bhashyam Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1 (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote: Dear Dr.Bhashyam, Thank you for your informative mail... Discussions were made very subjective by your friend Sanat,and soon after,you jumped into the fray,as it were... I am just a B.Sc.,and I accidentally began studying astrology casually,as a pass time,in 1956...but began a serious study of Traditional Astrology,since my graduation in 1964...and switched over to Krishnamurthi Padhdhati since I met the late Shri K.S.Krishnamurthiji ,in 1975-76. After thoroghly familiarising myself with all the rules,I began practising the practical application of K.P., while I was at Mumbai,as Dy.Gen Mgr. in M/s Raptakos Brett & Co. Ltd.,and used to successfuly tell my secretary exactly what time our peon will return from the bank...etc., and except for the day of the bomb blasts in Mumbai,just opposite our Office...our peon did not return...but it so happenned that he was so scared that he went home....! That prompted me to probe the cause of /reason for failure and I was successful in identifying it...which further helped me to sharpen my skills further...and so on... I can assure you Dr.Bashyam that K.P. is scientific.. .and I have been able to get a score of 85-90 % correct predictions. ..(correct to the day,that is)... Personally I would be extremely glad to be of any help to you for a deep scientific investigation. ..but my knowledge of Mathematics is very poor... What are the parameters set for your research ? May be you might need to change them suitably, to obtain a tangible conclusion.. .? I would suggest that your group familiarises itself with the Basic Principles of K.P. and read the 6 Readers available authored by KSK himself...only ten will a thorough Modern and systematic investigation can be taken up...in the mean while, you are requested not to equate Traditional Astrology with K.P. With best wishes, L.Y.Rao. GOOD LUCK ! Dr N Bhashyam <drnbhashyam@ .ca> Cc: lyrastro1 (AT) (DOT) co.inFriday, 9 May, 2008 4:04:30 PMRe: Re: Astrology : faith or fiction Dear Mr Rao, Thanks for your kind mail and your detailed elucidation. I joined this group expecting the discussion will around issues to with a view to examine in depth the nuances of astrological prediction based on astral configuration so as to evolve some robust algorithms or guidelines to make the predictions as objective as could be possibles such as using tools of statistical inference in inference ,or building mathematical models ,developing rules or operators of interaction etc with a view to make the prediction as objective as possibly could be.I feel , the focus should be to make astrology, a derivative of Astronomy, as robust as Astrophysics .Instead our discussions are mostly getting personal , casting aspersion, doubting each others bona fide, hurling challenges and freely using intemperate language. I believe in discussing issues passionately without doubting each others integrity, honesty and sincerity I feel,we can always agree to disagree.This possibly may not be the way issues in astrology are discussed by among learned astrologers. You were kind enough to question out my academic qualification. For your kind information I hold a PhD degree awarded by University of Delhi on my dissertation 'Theory of Stochastic Duels' .It is possible astrologers may be using such appellations without even going to any academic institution or undergoing any certification tests etc but such is not the case in scientific professions. My name is 'Bhashyam' as you have stated while addressing your valuable comments and not 'Rangabhashyam' as stated by you in the body of your mail. Regards,N BhashyamYogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1 (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote: Dear Mr.Bhashyam, There is a limit for patience,and if one writes insinuating mails,he deserves the contempt,without even knowing the rudiments of what he is 'pontificating' about he/she deserves a stiff reprimand... The basic requirement for acquiring education or getting educated, is the thirst for knowledge,and definitely not pretending to know a subject and that too wrongly... Not knowing a subject is not anybody's fault,but knowing even the rudiments of a subject wrongly but still pontificating on it, is certainly is one's fault... I am begining to doubt the very intentions of your members... Prejudice against astrology oozes from your members freely,as seen from their irrational and biased mails based on half-cooked knowledge... such a prejudiced lot of people calling themselves as " people in search of the TRUTH " ... is a travesty of the spirit of inquiry... ! I hope an honest attempt is made to delve into the science behind astrology... by first studying the basics of the subject one is talking/writing about,trying it out in a number of cases and then reaching any conclusion.. .In the case of your over-enthusistic member,he does not know even the a,b,c of Krishnamurthi Padhdhati a unique method of prognostication. .. but still, insinuates about it's efficacy etc...Is that Scientific by any definition ? I appreciate your " loyalty " to your friend.....but my advice to you too is " learn about any subject thoroughly before making any irrational comments,not based on your own experience.. . " Mr. Rangabhashyam( only if you are a Ph.D or a D.Sc. you can use your nasme as Dr. so and so do let me know), pl study K.P. first,try it out and then comment...with examples...if you've made any mistake stalwarts in K.P., will definitely help you correct them and know the application of K.P., better.. May better sense prevail on the group... With best wishes, L.Y.Rao. GOOD LUCK ! Dr N Bhashyam <drnbhashyam@ .ca> Thursday, 8 May, 2008 3:42:18 PMRe: Re: Astrology : faith or fiction As far as I know knowledge teaches humility, patience, tolerance,understan ding etc.This is the basic premise of education where those endowed with knowledge volunteer to impart knowledge to those devoid of it . Possibly possibly astrology is beyond all these mundane matters of and is not for the less mortals.It is the close preserve of selected few chosen fortunate ones.Any one trying to intrude the privacy will be rebuffed and unceremoniously booted out. Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1 (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote: Dear Sanat, As one Mormon said to another... " thy mother shall bite thee from under the table " ...! In other words you are trying to get bitchy...while pretending that you know a lot about astrology... Sanat you do not know even the BASICS,atleast of K.P.,and any explanations are surely BEYOND your severely limited comprehension. .. If at all you want to enter into serious discussions, first read the 6 readers of KP., and then let us discuss to your heart's content...you seem to be itching for a " showdown " ? If so you had better come premared...a kindergarten student trying to discuss an intricate subject like astrology is most ridiculous.. . Grow up and stop behaving like a spoilt kid...better still fet some psychiatric help,to help you get over your severe inferiority complex...! Every assumption you've made IS WRONG... Study K.P., till such time,pl. do not undress yourself in public or get undressed in public... This advice is meant for Deepika and Sheetal also who it seems are in cahoots with you... L.Y.Rao. sanat2221 <sanatkumar_jain@ rediffmail. com> Wednesday, 7 May, 2008 11:20:36 PM Re: Astrology : faith or fiction Resp. Rao Ji,Namaskar,Thanks for your msg.Though you have praised a lot about your prediction based on KP. Praising your prediction skill is useful in luring your ignorant, innocent clients but here I want to have some serious discussion. You have not answered my earlier points. " " So we come back to your point. With the help of Ruling planet (KP system) you forecasted about the exact time (say any incident). It means whenever that socalled planet will be ruling planet that incident will occur. What do you say? (My next comment is reserved for next msg.)Or we may take it otherwise. Horoscope of an individual is fixed, transit of planet is fixed, principle of ruling planet or dasha etc. is fixed. Thus when ingredients are fixed it means result or forecast or conclusion is also fixed. What do you say? (My next comment is reserved for next msg.) " " I have also studied KP and you can see that I have even fused it along with other principles in Eskain horoscope (available in file section).When you have many RP then it is only a matter of chance to select a planet, sometime, out of 7 planets. Like many other North Indian astrologers or western astrologers you have claimed to forecast a correct incident. But like all other astrologers you are not disclosing the failures of your prediction, which may be 50% or more.Regarding your statement " which had crowned him with unprecedented success and fame " , I will like to say with all my regards to K.S.Krishnamurthiji that fame and success has nothing to do with correctness. You may have seen many famous cheaters too. So forget about the success or fame. We are concerned with analysis of predictive principles.By your statement " RPs at Birth of an individual will also rule the moment of his death. " we can at the most say that it is the magic of astrology (where we see that an egg is coming out from the hat of a magician but how; that we don't know and purchasing that hat in the hope of more eggs). Because there are many RP at the time of birth likewise many RP at the time of death. Hence it is quite natural that out of only 7 planets some planet will match. For any demo any one can easily find matching planets but now where is the prediction. Do you want to say that RP (any one out of many) of birth time will never be RP till death and suddenly it will be RP at the time of death? Can you distinguish a sex of various horoscopes? At the most you can say that time of birth is not correct. But suppose after manipulating time of birth and matching with sex can you forecast time of death based on your RP theory.Concept of KP (lord, sublord etc) is only based on Vinshottary dasha. In VD we used to draw Dasha, antar, prat, sukshm dasha of planets linked with const. and in KP we used reverse process and term them as lord, sublord after linking them with const. So it is not a new concept but a old concept in new shape. So what is your opinion? Is astrology a pudding >>>>>> The proof of the pudding,as they say is in eating it...not discussing how it is made...<<<<< < and not a science? We in the forum is discussing about the preparation of principles and not eating them like blind faith.So you can pickup any `basic' principle of KP like dasha, aspect, exalted, ascendant and so on. Choice is yours with your logical answers and I will like to learn after solving my logical queries. Thus we can be able to improve our skill and knowledge. Remember nothing is personal as you have not formulated the principles of KP. Thanks,Yours truly,SanatPS : Silent members may please take active part in any interaction with their views. Because only then, they can be able to sharpen their stand and other members may also be benefited. They may take any earlier point too, discussed and mentioned in various SOA_______ files in file section. Other SOA files are in the pipe line.From the various SOA______ files innocent and ignorant members, who are not professional astrologers or blind supporter of predictive astrology, may see that not a single astrologer is coming forward with their logical and scientific explanation. Supporters of predictive astrology may invite their personal friends, friends of other forum to have a open discussion on the principles of astrology. Because they can learn astrology anywhere but its scientific aspect can only be discussed in this forum, where every one with any views is welcome unlike other forums.Krishnamurty Ji, has not provided supplementary information in support of his principle on diabetes. , Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1@. ..> wrote:>> Dear Sanat,>                 The Ruling Planets theory is the essence of the late K.S.Krishnamurthiji ,which had crowned him with unprecedented success and fame... >                 Briefly, FIVE PLANETS rule any moment of time at any given moment...They are : in order of strength The Star-lord of the Ascendant rising at the moment,it's sign-lord,the Moon's star-lord at that moment,it's sign-lord and the lord of the day...these 5 planets,as per K.P., rule any given moment of time...Later, the sub-lord of the Ascendant and the Moon's sub-lord were also added...making it 7 planets who rule any given moment of Time...>                  In the the same way,Ruling Planets (at Birth),of any living person are determined.. .and it has been demonstrated on umpteen occasions that these RPs play a definite role in every major event that takes place in the pesons entire life-time...>                   There are many other ways when the RPs play a mysterious role...in fructification of an event,such that one can boldly predict exactly when a particular event will take place,even at what time etc...very accurately,by a K.P. stalwart...and so on...>                   This small little wonderful discovery has made K.P. the most accurate method of prognostication. ..>                    For example it is now an established fact that the RPs ruling at the start of any endeavour will also rule,though not necessarily in the same order of strength...at the time of accomplishment. ..>                   The RPs at Birth of an individual will also rule the moment of his death...! This has been verified by KSK and his discples/students in numberless cases.....>                   Only K.P. can explain the different careers/professions /structures/ sex of each,in the case of twin births...born separated by a few minutes of each other's birth...>                    No other astrological system so far invented can predict this with such accuracy as K.P. can...     >                   I definitely can provide you with a number of my prdeictions which came true to the exact date,as predicted... and every issue of the excellent Magazine K.P. & Astrology, has been publishing and continues to,several correct predictions by students as well as adepts...! >                    The proof of the pudding,as they say is in eating it...not discussing how it is made..... ! ! >                   With best wishes and kind regards, >                    L.Y.Rao. >                                                 GOOD LUCK !            >                  > > > > sanat2221 <sanatkumar_ jain> > Monday, 5 May, 2008 11:16:07 PM> Re: Astrology : faith or fiction> > > Resp. Rao Ji,> Namaskar,> Thanks for your first msg and hope we will be able to find many more > msgs in future.> > Let us take your first sentence.> >>>>> Astrology is definitely NOT a myth.<<<<<> I can presume that it is your opinion and experience; and you want to > support it with your past demonstration. Suppose one individual > (fanatic in your opinion) says that it is coincidence or say it is > myth based on his experience; and you stand with your sentence that > astrology is not a myth. So where is the conclusion?> > Actually at this point you both departed from each other without in-> depth digging in support of any stand and informing each other about > the basics behind any stand. Because, analysis of astrological > principles requires a systematic and unbiased approach. But > unfortunately we always try to discuss our own experience instead of > discussing about the validity or reasonability of astrological > principles it-self. You may have seen from past msgs. that how > members try to jump from one question to another without sticking to > one point for final analysis and conclusion (that's why I have > devised the system of SOA_______). This is the tactics used by > supporters and point of dispute gets diluted and takes some other > direction. But in this forum, which is only one and first too, we are > trying to analyze every point related to predictive astrology with > discussion and exchange of views till some conclusion may be drawn by > the members from SOA__ files.> > So we come back to your point. With the help of Ruling planet (KP > system) you forecasted about the exact time (say any incident). It > means whenever that socalled planet will be ruling planet that > incident will occur. What do you say? (My next comment is reserved > for next msg.)> > Or we may take it otherwise. Horoscope of an individual is fixed, > transit of planet is fixed, principle of ruling planet or dasha etc. > is fixed. Thus when ingredients are fixed it means result or forecast > or conclusion is also fixed. What do you say? (My next comment is > reserved for next msg.)> > Members are always invited to share their views, because members can > learn the astrology from anywhere but can discuss only in this forum. > So feel free to share your view, question etc.> > Sh Rao Ji, will you please like to give some resume about your-self > to have a proper image for answering? At least I can forecast that > you are a professional astrologer hence I hope to have very strong > logic in your support.> > Thanks,> > Yours truly, > sanat> > , " L.Y.Rao. " <lyrastro1@ ..> > wrote:> >> > Dear Ramjee & Sanat Kumar,> > Astrology is definitely NOT a > > myth...Increasingly ,learned and experienced astrologers ALL over > the > > world have proved this,by their sometimes uncannily correct > > prognostications, but, under the excuse of " the proofs NOT > > being 'scientific enough' whatever that may puport to mean " ...the > so-> > called " scientists " have all ganged up,or so it seems,to singularly > > target astrology... . . as not being scientific and relegating it to the > > status of a myth...and malign it...> > I have had a few occassions to > demonstrate > > to such " Scientific- minded pseudo-intellectual s " ,with the help of > the > > RULING PLANETS...the almost exact time of arrival of their children > > from school or their servant sent on an errand...etc. .. but > > unfortunately they are so FANATIC that the dismiss these as mere > > coincidences. ..How more illogical can they get ?> > Be that as it may,don't you all think > that > > people like Prof.. Narlikar or people like him,be drafted in as > members > > inorder to provide strong " so-called scientific arguments " for > > experienced astrologers to refute LOGICALLY and with " LIVE " > examples.?> > With best wishes, > > L.Y.Rao.> > > > >> > > Dear Sri Sanatkumar ji,> > > > > > > > > At the outset I would like to > > bring to your notice that any discussion is possible only when one > > knows the subject. But what I find from the file section, most of > the > > writers have preconceived projudice for or against Astrology. If we > > want some healthy discussion on the subject let us chalk out > certain > > plans. For example we may dicuss primary differences between > > astronomy and astrology viz. Raghu And Kethu, these two are not > > planets or sattalites, but astrologers give importance to these > nodes > > HOW & WHY> > > > > > Let us hear frm our friends > > > > > > sanat2221 <sanatkumar_ jain@> wrote:> > > > > > > > > Resp Dr. Bhashyam Ji,> > > Namaskar,> > > Why you think like> > > " As and when I am able to, I will certainly join the discussion. " > > > Because members can learn astrology from anywhere but this is the > > > only forum where members can freely discuss the principles of > > > astrology. Hence you can also very well discuss or give your > > opinion > > > on any point. > > > > > > Hope to have your comments on " astrology a science or myth " in > file > > > section. From your comments members will take a queue and will > come > > > forward. You may also call your other astrologer friends for > > > interaction.> > > > > > Thanks> > > Yours truly,> > > sanat> > > > > > PS:> > > > > > Ms. Dipika Ji, we are not receiving your msg. and comments on > > various > > > points> > > Sh.Krishnamurthy Ji, I am awaiting your reply on your principle > of > > > diabetes for further interaction. > > > Sh. Bala ji, You have not raised any point after Nadishastra. > Have > > > you seen the working? Pl. inform me, so that I may now offer my > > > comments as no one has offered their comments. You can share your > > > other experience of astrology too.> > > Econdude : rejoinder on my observation on affect of planets is > > > awaited. Are you satisfied with my observation.> > > > > > Members who are in favour of predictive astrology must come > forward > > > with their experience and they may call their personal friends > too > > in > > > this forum. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ---> > > Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with > Mobile. > > Try it now.> > >> >> > > > > From Chandigarh to Chennai - find friends all over India. Go to http://in.promos. / groups/citygroup s/ > From Chandigarh to Chennai - find friends all over India. Looking for the perfect gift? Give the gift of Flickr! Unlimited freedom, unlimited storage. Get it now Ask a question on any topic and get answers from real people. Go to Answers. Best Jokes, Best Friends, Best Food. Get all this and more on Best of . Ask a question on any topic and get answers from real people. Go to Answers. Bollywood, fun, friendship, sports and more. You name it, we have it. 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L.Y.Rao. dipika blr <blr.aspirant Sent: Monday, 12 May, 2008 12:37:13 PMRe: Re: Astrology : faith or fiction Dear Yogesh ji, NamasteThanks for expressing your inability to showcase your knowledge on a "profound" subject like astrology.(even when similar discussions on profound subjects like philosophy, cryogenics, nanotechnology are being discussed on dedicated internet groups)Till then you can keep guessing when the peon returns from the market, the next crow calls or the next email appears on this group, of course all these things depends on past karma of a previous life (which somehow gets expressed in the birth time planetary configurations and transits).Also, like the best love stories you can keep writing the best k.p. astrological stories written by the greatest failures in k.p. astrology.best regardsDipikaPS: Readers please accommodate the sarcastic tone of this email warranted by the language of mr rao himself.LY Rao wrote:"Perhaps you are not aware of the writings of Prof Wiseacker,The President of the Max Planck Institute,and also the large number of experiments performed under the severe scrutiny of well known Scientists.. .at Stanford University,in the USA and and at the Kirov University in Russia..."LY Rao wrote:"I definitely can provide you with a number of my prdeictions which came true to the exact date,as predicted...and every issue of the excellent Magazine K.P. & Astrology, has been publishing and continues to,several correct predictions by students as well as adepts..." On Sun, May 11, 2008 at 8:01 PM, Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1 (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote: Dear Dipika, Granted that your Group thinks no end of itself and it's "intelligence",which is infact all bookish knowledge written by others...just like the the best love-stories are almost always written by the greatest failures in love... ! I do not see any point in discussing such a profound subject like K.P., with "kindergarten" students like you...and your group... This correspondence is closed till you grow up...in age education and worldly experience.. . Actually it needs only a small pin prick to burst your bloated egos...because you think that getting degrees etc., is being educated...you seem to me among the most uneducated educated... ! ! This correspondence will remain closed till you grow up,while you raise your own children,experience unforeseen difficulties beyond resonable/relevant causes...or causes you can not comprehend and so on...and realise(perhaps the hard way) that one is destined to suffer/enjoy in life as per his/her past Karma...K.P. helps unravel one's past Karma...and what is in store for him/her... Then perhaps you will be "ripe" enough and mature enough to discuss profound subjects like Philosophy,Astrolog y et al. Till such time, this correspondence will remain closed for you and your "over-intelligent" members.... L.Y.Rao. dipika blr <blr.aspirant@ gmail.com> Sunday, 11 May, 2008 3:05:57 PMRe: Re: Astrology : faith or fiction Dear Yogesh ji Namaste,If you are trying to suggest there is proof for KP system or any other form of astrology, kindly post it else the group members are intelligent enough not to be misled by your tall claims.RegardsDips On Sat, May 10, 2008 at 8:03 PM, Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1 (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote: Dear Dr.Bhashyam, Thanks for your "scientifically drafted mail"... Perhaps you are not aware of the writings of Prof Wiseacker,The President of the Max Planck Institute,and also the large number of experiments performed under the severe scrutiny of well known Scientists.. .at Stanford University,in the USA and and at the Kirov University in Russia... Any way,as they say, "ignorance is bliss"...I leave you to enjoy your bliss at leisure... Kindly refrain from sending me any reply or "repartee"...this correspondence is closed... With best wishes, L.Y.Rao. Dr N Bhashyam <drnbhashyam@ .ca>Cc: lyrastro1 (AT) (DOT) co.in Saturday, 10 May, 2008 3:18:12 PMRe: Re: Astrology : faith or fiction Dear Mr Rao, Thanks for your kind mail and more so for sharing your very exciting and interesting journey in KP school of astrology.I do admire your dedication and respect your knowledge and expertise in predictive astrology and highly appreciate your impressive track record and attainments as a practicing astrologer.I wish you more success in coming days. I do not know as why you are always referring the group as mine and myself belonging to some coterie etc..For your kind information I hardly know any one in the group and joined it only to understand the nuances in astrology from the learned astrologers through their discussions and very informative posts. However, I must admit, I am throughly disappointed and feel sorry to have joined it.I am pretty sure this is not a forum where any meaningful discussion could ever take place in a civilised way without getting personal ,In fact the focus is more on attacking each other rather than the topic under discussion .In addition, expression of disappointment and request for moderation is branded as ' jumped into the fray', the less said is better. I have now decided to leave the group which I feel is in the best interest of both the group as well as myself. By leaving the group at least I will be relieved of reading messages in patently offensive language and the distinguished members of the group can merrily carry on their tirades against each other. While leaving I wish you and the group all the best.Regards,N Bhashyam Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1 (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote: Dear Dr.Bhashyam, Thank you for your informative mail... Discussions were made very subjective by your friend Sanat,and soon after,you jumped into the fray,as it were... I am just a B.Sc.,and I accidentally began studying astrology casually,as a pass time,in 1956...but began a serious study of Traditional Astrology,since my graduation in 1964...and switched over to Krishnamurthi Padhdhati since I met the late Shri K.S.Krishnamurthiji ,in 1975-76. After thoroghly familiarising myself with all the rules,I began practising the practical application of K.P., while I was at Mumbai,as Dy.Gen Mgr. in M/s Raptakos Brett & Co. Ltd.,and used to successfuly tell my secretary exactly what time our peon will return from the bank...etc., and except for the day of the bomb blasts in Mumbai,just opposite our Office...our peon did not return...but it so happenned that he was so scared that he went home....! That prompted me to probe the cause of /reason for failure and I was successful in identifying it...which further helped me to sharpen my skills further...and so on... I can assure you Dr.Bashyam that K.P. is scientific.. .and I have been able to get a score of 85-90 % correct predictions. ..(correct to the day,that is)... Personally I would be extremely glad to be of any help to you for a deep scientific investigation. ..but my knowledge of Mathematics is very poor... What are the parameters set for your research ? May be you might need to change them suitably, to obtain a tangible conclusion.. .? I would suggest that your group familiarises itself with the Basic Principles of K.P. and read the 6 Readers available authored by KSK himself...only ten will a thorough Modern and systematic investigation can be taken up...in the mean while, you are requested not to equate Traditional Astrology with K.P. With best wishes, L.Y.Rao. GOOD LUCK ! Dr N Bhashyam <drnbhashyam@ .ca>Cc: lyrastro1 (AT) (DOT) co.inFriday, 9 May, 2008 4:04:30 PMRe: Re: Astrology : faith or fiction Dear Mr Rao, Thanks for your kind mail and your detailed elucidation. I joined this group expecting the discussion will around issues to with a view to examine in depth the nuances of astrological prediction based on astral configuration so as to evolve some robust algorithms or guidelines to make the predictions as objective as could be possibles such as using tools of statistical inference in inference ,or building mathematical models ,developing rules or operators of interaction etc with a view to make the prediction as objective as possibly could be.I feel , the focus should be to make astrology, a derivative of Astronomy, as robust as Astrophysics .Instead our discussions are mostly getting personal , casting aspersion, doubting each others bona fide, hurling challenges and freely using intemperate language. I believe in discussing issues passionately without doubting each others integrity, honesty and sincerity I feel,we can always agree to disagree.This possibly may not be the way issues in astrology are discussed by among learned astrologers. You were kind enough to question out my academic qualification. For your kind information I hold a PhD degree awarded by University of Delhi on my dissertation 'Theory of Stochastic Duels' .It is possible astrologers may be using such appellations without even going to any academic institution or undergoing any certification tests etc but such is not the case in scientific professions. My name is 'Bhashyam' as you have stated while addressing your valuable comments and not 'Rangabhashyam' as stated by you in the body of your mail.Regards,N BhashyamYogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1 (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote: Dear Mr.Bhashyam, There is a limit for patience,and if one writes insinuating mails,he deserves the contempt,without even knowing the rudiments of what he is 'pontificating' about he/she deserves a stiff reprimand... The basic requirement for acquiring education or getting educated, is the thirst for knowledge,and definitely not pretending to know a subject and that too wrongly... Not knowing a subject is not anybody's fault,but knowing even the rudiments of a subject wrongly but still pontificating on it, is certainly is one's fault... I am begining to doubt the very intentions of your members... Prejudice against astrology oozes from your members freely,as seen from their irrational and biased mails based on half-cooked knowledge... such a prejudiced lot of people calling themselves as "people in search of the TRUTH"... is a travesty of the spirit of inquiry... ! I hope an honest attempt is made to delve into the science behind astrology... by first studying the basics of the subject one is talking/writing about,trying it out in a number of cases and then reaching any conclusion.. .In the case of your over-enthusistic member,he does not know even the a,b,c of Krishnamurthi Padhdhati a unique method of prognostication. .. but still, insinuates about it's efficacy etc...Is that Scientific by any definition ? I appreciate your "loyalty" to your friend.....but my advice to you too is "learn about any subject thoroughly before making any irrational comments,not based on your own experience.. ." Mr. Rangabhashyam( only if you are a Ph.D or a D.Sc. you can use your nasme as Dr. so and so do let me know), pl study K.P. first,try it out and then comment...with examples...if you've made any mistake stalwarts in K.P., will definitely help you correct them and know the application of K.P., better.. May better sense prevail on the group... With best wishes, L.Y.Rao. GOOD LUCK ! Dr N Bhashyam <drnbhashyam@ .ca>Thursday, 8 May, 2008 3:42:18 PMRe: Re: Astrology : faith or fiction As far as I know knowledge teaches humility, patience, tolerance,understan ding etc.This is the basic premise of education where those endowed with knowledge volunteer to impart knowledge to those devoid of it . Possibly possibly astrology is beyond all these mundane matters of and is not for the less mortals.It is the close preserve of selected few chosen fortunate ones.Any one trying to intrude the privacy will be rebuffed and unceremoniously booted out.Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1 (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote: Dear Sanat, As one Mormon said to another..." thy mother shall bite thee from under the table"...! In other words you are trying to get bitchy...while pretending that you know a lot about astrology... Sanat you do not know even the BASICS,atleast of K.P.,and any explanations are surely BEYOND your severely limited comprehension. .. If at all you want to enter into serious discussions, first read the 6 readers of KP., and then let us discuss to your heart's content...you seem to be itching for a "showdown" ? If so you had better come premared...a kindergarten student trying to discuss an intricate subject like astrology is most ridiculous.. . Grow up and stop behaving like a spoilt kid...better still fet some psychiatric help,to help you get over your severe inferiority complex...! Every assumption you've made IS WRONG... Study K.P., till such time,pl. do not undress yourself in public or get undressed in public... This advice is meant for Deepika and Sheetal also who it seems are in cahoots with you... L.Y.Rao. sanat2221 <sanatkumar_jain@ rediffmail. com>Wednesday, 7 May, 2008 11:20:36 PM Re: Astrology : faith or fiction Resp. Rao Ji,Namaskar,Thanks for your msg.Though you have praised a lot about your prediction based on KP. Praising your prediction skill is useful in luring your ignorant, innocent clients but here I want to have some serious discussion. You have not answered my earlier points.""So we come back to your point. With the help of Ruling planet (KP system) you forecasted about the exact time (say any incident). It means whenever that socalled planet will be ruling planet that incident will occur. What do you say? (My next comment is reserved for next msg.)Or we may take it otherwise. Horoscope of an individual is fixed, transit of planet is fixed, principle of ruling planet or dasha etc. is fixed. Thus when ingredients are fixed it means result or forecast or conclusion is also fixed. What do you say? (My next comment is reserved for next msg.)""I have also studied KP and you can see that I have even fused it along with other principles in Eskain horoscope (available in file section).When you have many RP then it is only a matter of chance to select a planet, sometime, out of 7 planets. Like many other North Indian astrologers or western astrologers you have claimed to forecast a correct incident. But like all other astrologers you are not disclosing the failures of your prediction, which may be 50% or more.Regarding your statement "which had crowned him with unprecedented success and fame", I will like to say with all my regards to K.S.Krishnamurthiji that fame and success has nothing to do with correctness. You may have seen many famous cheaters too. So forget about the success or fame. We are concerned with analysis of predictive principles.By your statement "RPs at Birth of an individual will also rule the moment of his death." we can at the most say that it is the magic of astrology (where we see that an egg is coming out from the hat of a magician but how; that we don't know and purchasing that hat in the hope of more eggs). Because there are many RP at the time of birth likewise many RP at the time of death. Hence it is quite natural that out of only 7 planets some planet will match. For any demo any one can easily find matching planets but now where is the prediction. Do you want to say that RP (any one out of many) of birth time will never be RP till death and suddenly it will be RP at the time of death? Can you distinguish a sex of various horoscopes? At the most you can say that time of birth is not correct. But suppose after manipulating time of birth and matching with sex can you forecast time of death based on your RP theory.Concept of KP (lord, sublord etc) is only based on Vinshottary dasha. In VD we used to draw Dasha, antar, prat, sukshm dasha of planets linked with const. and in KP we used reverse process and term them as lord, sublord after linking them with const. So it is not a new concept but a old concept in new shape.So what is your opinion? Is astrology a pudding >>>>>> The proof of the pudding,as they say is in eating it...not discussing how it is made...<<<<< < and not a science?We in the forum is discussing about the preparation of principles and not eating them like blind faith.So you can pickup any `basic' principle of KP like dasha, aspect, exalted, ascendant and so on. Choice is yours with your logical answers and I will like to learn after solving my logical queries. Thus we can be able to improve our skill and knowledge. Remember nothing is personal as you have not formulated the principles of KP.Thanks,Yours truly,SanatPS : Silent members may please take active part in any interaction with their views. Because only then, they can be able to sharpen their stand and other members may also be benefited. They may take any earlier point too, discussed and mentioned in various SOA_______ files in file section. Other SOA files are in the pipe line.From the various SOA______ files innocent and ignorant members, who are not professional astrologers or blind supporter of predictive astrology, may see that not a single astrologer is coming forward with their logical and scientific explanation. Supporters of predictive astrology may invite their personal friends, friends of other forum to have a open discussion on the principles of astrology. Because they can learn astrology anywhere but its scientific aspect can only be discussed in this forum, where every one with any views is welcome unlike other forums.Krishnamurty Ji, has not provided supplementary information in support of his principle on diabetes. , Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1@. ..> wrote:>> Dear Sanat,>                 The Ruling Planets theory is the essence of the late K.S.Krishnamurthiji ,which had crowned him with unprecedented success and fame...>                 Briefly, FIVE PLANETS rule any moment of time at any given moment...They are : in order of strength The Star-lord of the Ascendant rising at the moment,it's sign-lord,the Moon's star-lord at that moment,it's sign-lord and the lord of the day...these 5 planets,as per K.P., rule any given moment of time...Later, the sub-lord of the Ascendant and the Moon's sub-lord were also added...making it 7 planets who rule any given moment of Time...>                  In the the same way,Ruling Planets (at Birth),of any living person are determined.. .and it has been demonstrated on umpteen occasions that these RPs play a definite role in every major event that takes place in the pesons entire life-time...>                   There are many other ways when the RPs play a mysterious role...in fructification of an event,such that one can boldly predict exactly when a particular event will take place,even at what time etc...very accurately,by a K.P. stalwart...and so on...>                   This small little wonderful discovery has made K.P. the most accurate method of prognostication. ..>                    For example it is now an established fact that the RPs ruling at the start of any endeavour will also rule,though not necessarily in the same order of strength...at the time of accomplishment. ..>                   The RPs at Birth of an individual will also rule the moment of his death...! This has been verified by KSK and his discples/students in numberless cases.....>                   Only K.P. can explain the different careers/professions /structures/ sex of each,in the case of twin births...born separated by a few minutes of each other's birth...>                    No other astrological system so far invented can predict this with such accuracy as K.P. can...     >                   I definitely can provide you with a number of my prdeictions which came true to the exact date,as predicted... and every issue of the excellent Magazine K.P. & Astrology, has been publishing and continues to,several correct predictions by students as well as adepts...! >                    The proof of the pudding,as they say is in eating it...not discussing how it is made..... ! ! >                   With best wishes and kind regards,>                    L.Y.Rao. >                                                 GOOD LUCK !            >                  > > > > sanat2221 <sanatkumar_ jain> > Monday, 5 May, 2008 11:16:07 PM> Re: Astrology : faith or fiction> > > Resp. Rao Ji,> Namaskar,> Thanks for your first msg and hope we will be able to find many more > msgs in future.> > Let us take your first sentence.> >>>>> Astrology is definitely NOT a myth.<<<<<> I can presume that it is your opinion and experience; and you want to > support it with your past demonstration. Suppose one individual > (fanatic in your opinion) says that it is coincidence or say it is > myth based on his experience; and you stand with your sentence that > astrology is not a myth. So where is the conclusion?> > Actually at this point you both departed from each other without in-> depth digging in support of any stand and informing each other about > the basics behind any stand. Because, analysis of astrological > principles requires a systematic and unbiased approach. But > unfortunately we always try to discuss our own experience instead of > discussing about the validity or reasonability of astrological > principles it-self. You may have seen from past msgs. that how > members try to jump from one question to another without sticking to > one point for final analysis and conclusion (that's why I have > devised the system of SOA_______). This is the tactics used by > supporters and point of dispute gets diluted and takes some other > direction. But in this forum, which is only one and first too, we are > trying to analyze every point related to predictive astrology with > discussion and exchange of views till some conclusion may be drawn by > the members from SOA__ files.> > So we come back to your point. With the help of Ruling planet (KP > system) you forecasted about the exact time (say any incident). It > means whenever that socalled planet will be ruling planet that > incident will occur. What do you say? (My next comment is reserved > for next msg.)> > Or we may take it otherwise. Horoscope of an individual is fixed, > transit of planet is fixed, principle of ruling planet or dasha etc. > is fixed. Thus when ingredients are fixed it means result or forecast > or conclusion is also fixed. What do you say? (My next comment is > reserved for next msg.)> > Members are always invited to share their views, because members can > learn the astrology from anywhere but can discuss only in this forum. > So feel free to share your view, question etc.> > Sh Rao Ji, will you please like to give some resume about your-self > to have a proper image for answering? At least I can forecast that > you are a professional astrologer hence I hope to have very strong > logic in your support.> > Thanks,> > Yours truly,> sanat> > , "L.Y.Rao." <lyrastro1@ ..> > wrote:> >> > Dear Ramjee & Sanat Kumar,> > Astrology is definitely NOT a > > myth...Increasingly ,learned and experienced astrologers ALL over > the > > world have proved this,by their sometimes uncannily correct > > prognostications, but, under the excuse of "the proofs NOT > > being 'scientific enough' whatever that may puport to mean"...the > so-> > called "scientists" have all ganged up,or so it seems,to singularly > > target astrology... . . as not being scientific and relegating it to the > > status of a myth...and malign it...> > I have had a few occassions to > demonstrate > > to such "Scientific- minded pseudo-intellectual s",with the help of > the > > RULING PLANETS...the almost exact time of arrival of their children > > from school or their servant sent on an errand...etc. .. but > > unfortunately they are so FANATIC that the dismiss these as mere > > coincidences. ..How more illogical can they get ?> > Be that as it may,don't you all think > that > > people like Prof.. Narlikar or people like him,be drafted in as > members> > inorder to provide strong "so-called scientific arguments" for > > experienced astrologers to refute LOGICALLY and with "LIVE" > examples.?> > With best wishes,> > L.Y.Rao.> > > > >> > > Dear Sri Sanatkumar ji,> > > > > > > > > At the outset I would like to > > bring to your notice that any discussion is possible only when one > > knows the subject. But what I find from the file section, most of > the > > writers have preconceived projudice for or against Astrology. If we > > want some healthy discussion on the subject let us chalk out > certain > > plans. For example we may dicuss primary differences between > > astronomy and astrology viz. Raghu And Kethu, these two are not > > planets or sattalites, but astrologers give importance to these > nodes > > HOW & WHY> > > > > > Let us hear frm our friends> > > > > > sanat2221 <sanatkumar_ jain@> wrote:> > > > > > > > > Resp Dr. Bhashyam Ji,> > > Namaskar,> > > Why you think like> > > "As and when I am able to, I will certainly join the discussion."> > > Because members can learn astrology from anywhere but this is the > > > only forum where members can freely discuss the principles of > > > astrology. Hence you can also very well discuss or give your > > opinion > > > on any point. > > > > > > Hope to have your comments on "astrology a science or myth" in > file > > > section. From your comments members will take a queue and will > come > > > forward. You may also call your other astrologer friends for > > > interaction.> > > > > > Thanks> > > Yours truly,> > > sanat> > > > > > PS:> > > > > > Ms. Dipika Ji, we are not receiving your msg. and comments on > > various > > > points> > > Sh.Krishnamurthy Ji, I am awaiting your reply on your principle > of > > > diabetes for further interaction.> > > Sh. Bala ji, You have not raised any point after Nadishastra. > Have > > > you seen the working? Pl. inform me, so that I may now offer my > > > comments as no one has offered their comments. You can share your > > > other experience of astrology too.> > > Econdude : rejoinder on my observation on affect of planets is > > > awaited. 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