Principle of Horasara

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Resp. SB,

Namaskar,

Now I am taking new point from your msg. as a new thread.

You have referred a predictive principle from horosara

 

1- " Death by hanging is indicated, if Surya is in Yuvati Bhava (7th

bhav) along with Rahu, or Ketu, while Sukra is in Randhr Bhava. "

 

Where in I have included another principle wherein it is also written

that

 

- if Rahu is in randra bhav (8th) then death will be caused by

hanging.

 

I want to emphasize that there is no other sub-rule, modification,

correction, elimination, explanation etc. attached with this rule and

likewise with many rules too.

You may be well aware with the birth clock or you can see with the

rate of birth that in every 20 sec. there is a birth in India and

every 3 sec. there is a birth in the world. Whereas our horoscope is

fixed for about 2 hours (ie same ascendant)

 

I am just analyzing the position of a year for your 1st principle and

you can find it almost every year.

During 16-5-2002 to 10-6-2002 Sun was with Rahu in Taurus sign

(Vrash) and Venus was in Gemini sign (mithun). Thus any child born

during this period at about noon will have same combination, which

may be thousands in numbers. So do you think that all childrens will

be hanged. If you want I can give you data of some other years.

So far 2nd principle is concerned then you can see that every day for

two hours Rahu may be in 8th house. So almost 1 out 12 person would

have been hanged since writing of horasara. Is it logical, feasible,

realistic, science etc. and is hanging so popular in the world that

10% persons may be hanged. Unfortunately, I am neither agreeing with

you nor with the principles of Horasara.

 

Try to think differently, logically as I am not imposing my views nor

it is a game of fighting in which some one will lose if he starts to

think afresh. Members may also write for opinion of other members too.

 

Thanks for your new thread and I will summarize it in SOA______.

 

Yours truly,

sanat

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The Goal of Jyotishas is to first,bring the person to believe in God, and 2nd to bring them closer to God.Here god could mean the different avataars including religions which claim their god is the only god and the rest are not.That is the true sanathana dharma followed and instructed us to follow by our fore fathers/mothers.HOW DOES MOVEMENT OF PLANETS AFFECT OUR LIVES?? As per Maha Rishi Parasara Chapter 2, Sloka 3.

Avtara{ynekain ýjSy prmaTmn>,jIvana< kmR)ldae ¢hépI jnadRn>avat˜r˜õyanek˜ni hyajasya param˜tmana×|jŸv˜n˜Õ karmaphalado graharupŸ jan˜rdana×

Translated it says; The Supersoul/Unborn Lord(Paramatma) has many incarnations.He has incarnated as the planets, to bestow the fruits of Karma on the livingbeings. He is the lifegiver of the universe (Janardana)

WHY ONLY THE NINE GRAHAS??

Rather the question is; why only the 2 luminaries, 5 planets, and the 2 nodes ofthe Moon. Excluding the 2 nodes as they have no physical form, we are left withthe 5 planets and 2 luminaries. Now if we read Bhagavad Purana or VishnuPurana, etc, then we are met with the story of the 7 Dweepas(islands) which aresurrounded by 7 oceans/raasa. These Islands excede only until the Loka-Lokamountains, where no light goes beyond, hence allthough we acknowledge celestialbodies beyond that point, they aren't of any use to influence the jeevas.

WHAT ARE RAHU AND KETU?? These are Nodes of the Moon. When the Moon travels around the Earth, it has awobble. This wobble has an upper and lower limit. The topmost upper/northenlimit is called the North Node, or Rahu, whilst the south node is called Ketu.This is used to time eclipses, when the Sun and Moon join at the North node.WHAT IS GULIKAN?? It is not a satelite, but a point calculated on the basis of the Kalas of a day.Gulika is the child of Saturn and is used to see the sins we have performed. Italso has vital use in calculating Conception charts.

You will need a reference to understand the calculations of variousUpa-/aprakesh - Grahas.

http://www.srimadbhagavatam.org

sb , "sanat2221" <sanatkumar_jain wrote:>> Resp. SB,> Namaskar,> Now I am taking new point from your msg. as a new thread.> You have referred a predictive principle from horosara> > 1- "Death by hanging is indicated, if Surya is in Yuvati Bhava (7th > bhav) along with Rahu, or Ketu, while Sukra is in Randhr Bhava."> > Where in I have included another principle wherein it is also written > that > > - if Rahu is in randra bhav (8th) then death will be caused by > hanging. > > I want to emphasize that there is no other sub-rule, modification, > correction, elimination, explanation etc. attached with this rule and > likewise with many rules too.> You may be well aware with the birth clock or you can see with the > rate of birth that in every 20 sec. there is a birth in India and > every 3 sec. there is a birth in the world. Whereas our horoscope is > fixed for about 2 hours (ie same ascendant)> > I am just analyzing the position of a year for your 1st principle and > you can find it almost every year. > During 16-5-2002 to 10-6-2002 Sun was with Rahu in Taurus sign > (Vrash) and Venus was in Gemini sign (mithun). Thus any child born > during this period at about noon will have same combination, which > may be thousands in numbers. So do you think that all childrens will > be hanged. If you want I can give you data of some other years.> So far 2nd principle is concerned then you can see that every day for > two hours Rahu may be in 8th house. So almost 1 out 12 person would > have been hanged since writing of horasara. Is it logical, feasible, > realistic, science etc. and is hanging so popular in the world that > 10% persons may be hanged. Unfortunately, I am neither agreeing with > you nor with the principles of Horasara.> > Try to think differently, logically as I am not imposing my views nor > it is a game of fighting in which some one will lose if he starts to > think afresh. Members may also write for opinion of other members too.> > Thanks for your new thread and I will summarize it in SOA______.> > Yours truly,> sanat>

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Resp. SB,

Namaskar,

>>>>I do not want to take credit for something that i

have not personally experianced or endorsed .<<<<

Don't worry I am not charging you that it is your principle or you

are supporting it. My opinion is same for all arguments which you are

giving in support of some stand. Because you have not created any

principle hence there is no question of any credit or debit. HiHi..

Even if you say that you have experienced any principle as correct,

even then I will never charge. I only like to examine the principle

and not a person. So you can continue.

 

We are only expressing and exchanging our views that too without any

personal illwill, and there is no problem if we have some difference

of opinion. Because difference of opinion leads to explore a

situation, which is the core requirement for improvement of

knowledge. In entire history of development of human skill or

knowledge, we can see that if there would have not been any

difference of opinion then we would have living in forest and so on.

 

So continue to raise your difference, which leads me to explore new

horizon. Otherwise I would have been any one in any forum.

Will you like to ask your other friends to share their views in this

forum.

Rest assure I like interaction with you.

Thanks,

Sanat

 

PS : Are Sh. Krishnamurtyji and Balas hearing. If you are there then

raise some voice for attending your thread, if you want more

opinions.

Generally members like to read the msg. instead of raising their

voice. So all members including most new member Sh. Praveen Ji may

raise some points, which will be attended by learned members like SB

Ji, Krishnamurty ji, Ravi Ji, Suresh Ji , Dr Bhashyam ji, ChandraHari

Ji………….

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

, " sureshbalaraman "

<sureshbalaraman wrote:

>

>

> Sanatji,i have given the link from where i obtained which is

> incorrect.The link is in Jyotishvidya and Mrs.Wendy

posted

> the timing of death.I do not want to take credit for something that

i

> have not personally experianced or endorsed .

>

> sb

> , " sanat2221 "

> <sanatkumar_jain@> wrote:

> >

> >

> >

> > Resp members,

> > Sh SB has intimated a predictive principle for death by hanging as

> > per horasara with the opinion that death comes to us all...when

and

> > how is determined the day we're born (ie astrologically we may

know

> > our cause of death)

> >

> > " Death by hanging is indicated, if Surya is in Yuvati Bhava (7th

> > bhav) along with Rahu, or Ketu, while Sukra is in Randhr Bhava. "

> >

> > It is also written that if Rahu is in randra bhav (8th) then death

> > will be caused by hanging.

> >

> > I will like to comment on these principles. But it is more

fitting to

> > say that

> > all silent members are requested to offer their opinion about this

> > principle including s/Sh Bala, Dr N Bhashyam, Krishnamurthy

> > Seetharama, Ravichandran and Sushil Dikshit Ji who are active but

> > silent nowadays.

> >

> > All members are also requested to post copy of maximum horoscopes,

> > (about whom you know in details (dead or alive), including family

> > members relatives, friends etc, if you want; but keep a copy with

you

> > with individual identification), which may be available with you,

so

> > that we may have a good data bank for analysis of any principle.

If

> > members do not want to disclose the identity of individual

horoscope,

> > even then bare horoscope may be posted to my email

> > sanatkumar_jain@ I will compile them without

> > individual identity (even if names intimated) so that we may

confirm

> > the applicability of any principle as and when desire. I hope

members

> > will have no objection.

> >

> > In future we will analyze only those principles which may have

their

> > definite result and free from any psychological conclusion. Such

> > result may relates to Death, marriage, birth of son, birth of

> > daughter, very high status, alarming prediction etc.

> >

> > We may keep the format as follows

> >

> > Date of birth, Planet in first house and sign, Planet in 2nd house

> > and so on, name of sender, {identification of horoscope (name etc)

> > and other information is optional.}

> >

> > Remember we are not going to analyze or predict about any

individual

> > horoscope. It is only an academic exercise. Members may also

continue

> > to suggest their ideas and intimate their friends/forum to join

this

> > open platform.

> >

> > Thanks,

> >

> >

> > sanat

> > , " sureshbalaraman "

> > sureshbalaraman@ wrote:

> > >

> > > Sanatji,i am confused with what exactly you are trying to say.I

am

> > > living in 2008 gregorian calendar.Its natural for me to link to

my

> > > present situation instead of contemplating why and how the

sages and

> > > seers perceived knowledge and to give the exact methodology.Its

> > truly

> > > beyond me.I can only make inferences,deductions and therefore

> > conclude

> > > as circumstantial evidential truth.Who is to say with absolute

> > > authority,what happened.The Bhagavath gita as well many jain

> > scriptures

> > > collated messages of so many tirthankars,can only be listened

to, by

> > > us.If we have any doubts,we need to proceed to authoritative

> > gurus,who

> > > are well versed in spirituality.

> > >

> > > I am a commoner with a philosophical bent of mind.It suits my

> > thinking

> > > and i am happy.

> > >

> > > >>But it was not said any where.<<

> > >

> > > So many of our books were stolen,burnt,plundered looted by

barbaric

> > > mughals,mongols,brits,and as well as indian kings amongst

> > themselves in

> > > the past.The brits stole ship loads of palm leaves scriptures

from

> > > india,maybe you ought to go to UK and start finding all

> > those.Because

> > > whats left in India,is just a meagre amount of old palm leaves

> > > knowledge.Many of them in sanksrit.One pundit will say one

> > > interpretation another will say another interpretation and it

goes

> > on.I

> > > like Srila Prabhupadas translation and i am sticking to it.I am

not

> > > asking anyone else to follow.Each can choose their own ishta

> > > translations.

> > >

> > > Astrology was used for panchangam purposes only with seasonal

> > > indicators,for performance of rituals in our dharma.That

> > enthusiastic

> > > scholars chose to predict mundane things to people thereby gain

> > > recongnition,fame,money is all together another issue.

> > >

> > > Lord krishna explains in gita,that he is the boss of

everything.. i

> > mean

> > > everything...even what i have written is his potency.. i am

> > nobody.I am

> > > only a reflection of the supreme...shining in reflected glory

of the

> > > Lord.In the universe,i constitute just a speck..a nano sub

> > > particle..which is existing its lifecycle and one day in a

kshana

> > just

> > > go back to lord..astrology in proper perspective gives us a

> > directional

> > > light..as to how the laws were postulated...it will take

brahmaji to

> > > incarnate again and explain... :)

> > >

> > > Suresh Balaraman.

> > > , " sanat2221 "

> > > <sanatkumar_jain@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Res. SB Ji,

> > > > No I have not replied like

> > > > .>> " I enter each planet, and by my energy they stay in their

> > orbits, I

> > > > become the moon and thereby supply the juice of life to all

> > herbs " <<

> > > > It is your msg of 4-4-08, on which I have replied. (you may

check

> > as

> > > > I always attach a portion of previous link).

> > > >

> > > > I also disagree with your following inference.

> > > > " By inference one may deduce.Plant life is dependant on the

moon

> > > > rays.Light from the sun gets reflected to moon and from moon

to

> > > > earth.With out sun ,moon is zero.zilch.shunya. "

> > > > Because you yourself are drawing any inference which suit you

in

> > > > modern concept without looking in to the fact as to what was

said

> > in

> > > > what context. In which Ved, Puran or Greek or Varahmihir etc.

told

> > > > and accepted that Moon get the light from the Sun and without

Sun;

> > > > Moon is zero. It is only your translation in view of modern

> > > > knowledge. But it was not said any where.

> > > >

> > > > Yes " vahana can mean a rath then and now a bmw " but you cant

say

> > that

> > > > Krishna was moving on BMW. What I mean to say that if you do

the

> > > > translation of " Vahan " like BMW and try to infuse in the mind

of

> > > > general public that Krishna was traveling on BMW then what

will

> > > > happen. The same thing is happening with astrology. As no body

> > try to

> > > > look as to if you continue to join Krishna with BMW then you

have

> > to

> > > > answer so many questions related to BMW, which will never

> > available

> > > > in Ved puran. Thus either you blame that I am not believing

Ved or

> > > > knowledge of sages etc or continue to support your stand with

> > > > distorted translation, which is being done by almost all

> > astrologers.

> > > >

> > > > Thus if Brahmand was eternal then how we can conclude that

tide is

> > > > creation of Moon (do not apply present knowledge) from this

view.

> > > > Thus if in primitive time our sages have formulated some

> > principles

> > > > then you have to find and answer in the then perspective and

then

> > you

> > > > have to check as to that contention was correct in view of

modern

> > > > knowledge or not. But you can not support primitive concept

with

> > > > modern interpretation or with modern knowledge.

> > > >

> > > > Thus so far you are not able to answer your stand that high &

low

> > > > tides based on position of Moon from earth.Human body

constitutes

> > of

> > > > fluids,so therefore there are subtle effects on the human

body "

> > and

> > > > connection of inimical element of planet and sign. "

> > > >

> > > > Thanks

> > > > Sanat

> > > > 8-4-2008

> > > >

> > > > Re: Science of astrology -1

> > > > Posted by: " sureshbalaraman " sureshbalaraman@

> > > > sureshbalaraman

> > > > Sun Apr 6, 2008 2:56 pm (PDT)

> > > >

> > > > You have intelligently replied to your own query,sanatji.>> " I

> > enter

> > > > each

> > > > planet, and by my energy they stay in their orbits, I

> > > > become the moon and thereby supply the juice of life to all

herbs "

> > > > <<

> > > >

> > > > By inference one may deduce.Plant life is dependant on the

moon

> > > > rays.Light from the sun gets reflected to moon and from moon

to

> > > > earth.With out sun ,moon is zero.zilch.shunya.What krishna

says

> > or at

> > > > least visualised and interpreted to dritashtra,is said :

> > everything is

> > > > brahman.that brahman name is given as krishna.as he was the

> > present

> > > > avatar at that time.just like vahana can mean a rath then and

now

> > a

> > > > bmw.therefore brahman existed then ,now,and future.all this

futile

> > > > contemplation is of no use to anybody.chant the gods name and

> > obtain

> > > > moksha,is what shankara says,let us do that.hara shankara jaya

> > jaya

> > > > shankara

> > > >

> > > > sb

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

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Resp. SB,

Namaskar

In my msg of 1-4-08 I wrote like this " Thus any child born during

this period at about noon will have same combination " under Principle

of Horasara. The correct sentence is " Thus any child born during this

period at about sunset will have same combination " . (Read sunset

instead of noon)

 

" The Goal of Jyotishas is to first,bring the person to believe in

God " . NO, Jyotish has nothing to do with belief in God. Rather it is

against the God, Because by applying astrological principles,

astrologers try to leak the destiny (like paper out before

examination). Thus you want to say that by applying and socalled

forecast of hanging (horasara) Varahmihir etc. were promoting God.

And by wearing a gem costing Rs. 5000 or more sold by an astrologer

just to befool an individual, astrologers are promoting religion.

What a good joke. But it seems true that you are defending predictive

astrology (unfortunately which has nothing to do with Ved etc.) to

save age old practice of befooling with a fear complex of erosion of

religion.

 

Now you are again referring Vishnu Puran. Your point of 7 lok

(jambudweep etc.) is not clear to me as to what you want to say. But

I can say that when our sages had such concept about the flat earth

then where is the question of orbit or motion of the Earth. Where it

is written in the Puran that Rahu Ketu are node (intersection point

of orbit) refer it and certainly with correct translation (pl do not

link BMW with Krishna)

(We have jumped to new point What are Rahu Ketu.)

Please do not take any comment personal.

 

Thanks,

Sanat

 

 

 

 

, " sureshbalaraman "

<sureshbalaraman wrote:

>

>

> The Goal of Jyotishas is to first,bring the person to believe in

God,

> and 2nd to bring them closer to God.Here god could mean the

different

> avataars including religions which claim their god is the only god

and

> the rest are not.That is the true sanathana dharma followed and

> instructed us to follow by our fore fathers/mothers.

>

> HOW DOES MOVEMENT OF PLANETS AFFECT OUR LIVES??

>

> As per Maha Rishi Parasara Chapter 2, Sloka 3.

>

>

> Avtara{ynekain ýjSy prmaTmn>,

> jIvana< kmR)ldae ¢hépI jnadRn>

> avat˜r˜õyanek˜ni hyajasya param˜tmana×|

> jŸv˜n˜Õ karmaphalado graharupŸ jan˜rdana×

>

>

> Translated it says;

> The Supersoul/Unborn Lord(Paramatma) has many incarnations.

> He has incarnated as the planets, to bestow the fruits of Karma on

the

> living

> beings. He is the lifegiver of the universe (Janardana)

>

>

> WHY ONLY THE NINE GRAHAS??

>

>

> Rather the question is; why only the 2 luminaries, 5 planets, and

the 2

> nodes of

> the Moon. Excluding the 2 nodes as they have no physical form, we

are

> left with

> the 5 planets and 2 luminaries. Now if we read Bhagavad Purana or

Vishnu

> Purana, etc, then we are met with the story of the 7 Dweepas

(islands)

> which are

> surrounded by 7 oceans/raasa. These Islands excede only until the

> Loka-Loka

> mountains, where no light goes beyond, hence allthough we

acknowledge

> celestial

> bodies beyond that point, they aren't of any use to influence the

> jeevas.

>

> WHAT ARE RAHU AND KETU??

>

> These are Nodes of the Moon. When the Moon travels around the

Earth, it

> has a

> wobble. This wobble has an upper and lower limit. The topmost

> upper/northen

> limit is called the North Node, or Rahu, whilst the south node is

called

> Ketu.

> This is used to time eclipses, when the Sun and Moon join at the

North

> node.

>

> WHAT IS GULIKAN??

>

> It is not a satelite, but a point calculated on the basis of the

Kalas

> of a day.

> Gulika is the child of Saturn and is used to see the sins we have

> performed. It

> also has vital use in calculating Conception charts.

>

>

> You will need a reference to understand the calculations of various

> Upa-/aprakesh - Grahas.

>

> http://www.srimadbhagavatam.org <http://www.srimadbhagavatam.org>

>

> sb

> , " sanat2221 "

> <sanatkumar_jain@> wrote:

> >

> > Resp. SB,

> > Namaskar,

> > Now I am taking new point from your msg. as a new thread.

> > You have referred a predictive principle from horosara

> >

> > 1- " Death by hanging is indicated, if Surya is in Yuvati Bhava

(7th

> > bhav) along with Rahu, or Ketu, while Sukra is in Randhr Bhava. "

> >

> > Where in I have included another principle wherein it is also

written

> > that

> >

> > - if Rahu is in randra bhav (8th) then death will be caused by

> > hanging.

> >

> > I want to emphasize that there is no other sub-rule, modification,

> > correction, elimination, explanation etc. attached with this rule

and

> > likewise with many rules too.

> > You may be well aware with the birth clock or you can see with the

> > rate of birth that in every 20 sec. there is a birth in India and

> > every 3 sec. there is a birth in the world. Whereas our horoscope

is

> > fixed for about 2 hours (ie same ascendant)

> >

> > I am just analyzing the position of a year for your 1st principle

and

> > you can find it almost every year.

> > During 16-5-2002 to 10-6-2002 Sun was with Rahu in Taurus sign

> > (Vrash) and Venus was in Gemini sign (mithun). Thus any child born

> > during this period at about noon will have same combination, which

> > may be thousands in numbers. So do you think that all childrens

will

> > be hanged. If you want I can give you data of some other years.

> > So far 2nd principle is concerned then you can see that every day

for

> > two hours Rahu may be in 8th house. So almost 1 out 12 person

would

> > have been hanged since writing of horasara. Is it logical,

feasible,

> > realistic, science etc. and is hanging so popular in the world

that

> > 10% persons may be hanged. Unfortunately, I am neither agreeing

with

> > you nor with the principles of Horasara.

> >

> > Try to think differently, logically as I am not imposing my views

nor

> > it is a game of fighting in which some one will lose if he starts

to

> > think afresh. Members may also write for opinion of other members

too.

> >

> > Thanks for your new thread and I will summarize it in SOA______.

> >

> > Yours truly,

> > sanat

> >

>