Guest guest Posted April 11, 2008 Report Share Posted April 11, 2008 Resp members, Sh SB has intimated a predictive principle for death by hanging as per horasara with the opinion that death comes to us all...when and how is determined the day we're born (ie astrologically we may know our cause of death) " Death by hanging is indicated, if Surya is in Yuvati Bhava (7th bhav) along with Rahu, or Ketu, while Sukra is in Randhr Bhava. " It is also written that if Rahu is in randra bhav (8th) then death will be caused by hanging. I will like to comment on these principles. But it is more fitting to say that all silent members are requested to offer their opinion about this principle including s/Sh Bala, Dr N Bhashyam, Krishnamurthy Seetharama, Ravichandran and Sushil Dikshit Ji who are active but silent nowadays. All members are also requested to post copy of maximum horoscopes, (about whom you know in details (dead or alive), including family members relatives, friends etc, if you want; but keep a copy with you with individual identification), which may be available with you, so that we may have a good data bank for analysis of any principle. If members do not want to disclose the identity of individual horoscope, even then bare horoscope may be posted to my email sanatkumar_jain. I will compile them without individual identity (even if names intimated) so that we may confirm the applicability of any principle as and when desire. I hope members will have no objection. In future we will analyze only those principles which may have their definite result and free from any psychological conclusion. Such result may relates to Death, marriage, birth of son, birth of daughter, very high status, alarming prediction etc. We may keep the format as follows Date of birth, Planet in first house and sign, Planet in 2nd house and so on, name of sender, {identification of horoscope (name etc) and other information is optional.} Remember we are not going to analyze or predict about any individual horoscope. It is only an academic exercise. Members may also continue to suggest their ideas and intimate their friends/forum to join this open platform. Thanks, sanat , " sureshbalaraman " <sureshbalaraman wrote: > > Sanatji,i am confused with what exactly you are trying to say.I am > living in 2008 gregorian calendar.Its natural for me to link to my > present situation instead of contemplating why and how the sages and > seers perceived knowledge and to give the exact methodology.Its truly > beyond me.I can only make inferences,deductions and therefore conclude > as circumstantial evidential truth.Who is to say with absolute > authority,what happened.The Bhagavath gita as well many jain scriptures > collated messages of so many tirthankars,can only be listened to, by > us.If we have any doubts,we need to proceed to authoritative gurus,who > are well versed in spirituality. > > I am a commoner with a philosophical bent of mind.It suits my thinking > and i am happy. > > >>But it was not said any where.<< > > So many of our books were stolen,burnt,plundered looted by barbaric > mughals,mongols,brits,and as well as indian kings amongst themselves in > the past.The brits stole ship loads of palm leaves scriptures from > india,maybe you ought to go to UK and start finding all those.Because > whats left in India,is just a meagre amount of old palm leaves > knowledge.Many of them in sanksrit.One pundit will say one > interpretation another will say another interpretation and it goes on.I > like Srila Prabhupadas translation and i am sticking to it.I am not > asking anyone else to follow.Each can choose their own ishta > translations. > > Astrology was used for panchangam purposes only with seasonal > indicators,for performance of rituals in our dharma.That enthusiastic > scholars chose to predict mundane things to people thereby gain > recongnition,fame,money is all together another issue. > > Lord krishna explains in gita,that he is the boss of everything.. i mean > everything...even what i have written is his potency.. i am nobody.I am > only a reflection of the supreme...shining in reflected glory of the > Lord.In the universe,i constitute just a speck..a nano sub > particle..which is existing its lifecycle and one day in a kshana just > go back to lord..astrology in proper perspective gives us a directional > light..as to how the laws were postulated...it will take brahmaji to > incarnate again and explain... :) > > Suresh Balaraman. > , " sanat2221 " > <sanatkumar_jain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Res. SB Ji, > > No I have not replied like > > .>> " I enter each planet, and by my energy they stay in their orbits, I > > become the moon and thereby supply the juice of life to all herbs " << > > It is your msg of 4-4-08, on which I have replied. (you may check as > > I always attach a portion of previous link). > > > > I also disagree with your following inference. > > " By inference one may deduce.Plant life is dependant on the moon > > rays.Light from the sun gets reflected to moon and from moon to > > earth.With out sun ,moon is zero.zilch.shunya. " > > Because you yourself are drawing any inference which suit you in > > modern concept without looking in to the fact as to what was said in > > what context. In which Ved, Puran or Greek or Varahmihir etc. told > > and accepted that Moon get the light from the Sun and without Sun; > > Moon is zero. It is only your translation in view of modern > > knowledge. But it was not said any where. > > > > Yes " vahana can mean a rath then and now a bmw " but you cant say that > > Krishna was moving on BMW. What I mean to say that if you do the > > translation of " Vahan " like BMW and try to infuse in the mind of > > general public that Krishna was traveling on BMW then what will > > happen. The same thing is happening with astrology. As no body try to > > look as to if you continue to join Krishna with BMW then you have to > > answer so many questions related to BMW, which will never available > > in Ved puran. Thus either you blame that I am not believing Ved or > > knowledge of sages etc or continue to support your stand with > > distorted translation, which is being done by almost all astrologers. > > > > Thus if Brahmand was eternal then how we can conclude that tide is > > creation of Moon (do not apply present knowledge) from this view. > > Thus if in primitive time our sages have formulated some principles > > then you have to find and answer in the then perspective and then you > > have to check as to that contention was correct in view of modern > > knowledge or not. But you can not support primitive concept with > > modern interpretation or with modern knowledge. > > > > Thus so far you are not able to answer your stand that high & low > > tides based on position of Moon from earth.Human body constitutes of > > fluids,so therefore there are subtle effects on the human body " and > > connection of inimical element of planet and sign. " > > > > Thanks > > Sanat > > 8-4-2008 > > > > Re: Science of astrology -1 > > Posted by: " sureshbalaraman " sureshbalaraman@ > > sureshbalaraman > > Sun Apr 6, 2008 2:56 pm (PDT) > > > > You have intelligently replied to your own query,sanatji.>> " I enter > > each > > planet, and by my energy they stay in their orbits, I > > become the moon and thereby supply the juice of life to all herbs " > > << > > > > By inference one may deduce.Plant life is dependant on the moon > > rays.Light from the sun gets reflected to moon and from moon to > > earth.With out sun ,moon is zero.zilch.shunya.What krishna says or at > > least visualised and interpreted to dritashtra,is said : everything is > > brahman.that brahman name is given as krishna.as he was the present > > avatar at that time.just like vahana can mean a rath then and now a > > bmw.therefore brahman existed then ,now,and future.all this futile > > contemplation is of no use to anybody.chant the gods name and obtain > > moksha,is what shankara says,let us do that.hara shankara jaya jaya > > shankara > > > > sb > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 11, 2008 Report Share Posted April 11, 2008 Sanatji,i have given the link from where i obtained which is incorrect.The link is in Jyotishvidya and Mrs.Wendy posted the timing of death.I do not want to take credit for something that i have not personally experianced or endorsed . sb , " sanat2221 " <sanatkumar_jain wrote: > > > > Resp members, > Sh SB has intimated a predictive principle for death by hanging as > per horasara with the opinion that death comes to us all...when and > how is determined the day we're born (ie astrologically we may know > our cause of death) > > " Death by hanging is indicated, if Surya is in Yuvati Bhava (7th > bhav) along with Rahu, or Ketu, while Sukra is in Randhr Bhava. " > > It is also written that if Rahu is in randra bhav (8th) then death > will be caused by hanging. > > I will like to comment on these principles. But it is more fitting to > say that > all silent members are requested to offer their opinion about this > principle including s/Sh Bala, Dr N Bhashyam, Krishnamurthy > Seetharama, Ravichandran and Sushil Dikshit Ji who are active but > silent nowadays. > > All members are also requested to post copy of maximum horoscopes, > (about whom you know in details (dead or alive), including family > members relatives, friends etc, if you want; but keep a copy with you > with individual identification), which may be available with you, so > that we may have a good data bank for analysis of any principle. If > members do not want to disclose the identity of individual horoscope, > even then bare horoscope may be posted to my email > sanatkumar_jain I will compile them without > individual identity (even if names intimated) so that we may confirm > the applicability of any principle as and when desire. I hope members > will have no objection. > > In future we will analyze only those principles which may have their > definite result and free from any psychological conclusion. Such > result may relates to Death, marriage, birth of son, birth of > daughter, very high status, alarming prediction etc. > > We may keep the format as follows > > Date of birth, Planet in first house and sign, Planet in 2nd house > and so on, name of sender, {identification of horoscope (name etc) > and other information is optional.} > > Remember we are not going to analyze or predict about any individual > horoscope. It is only an academic exercise. Members may also continue > to suggest their ideas and intimate their friends/forum to join this > open platform. > > Thanks, > > > sanat > , " sureshbalaraman " > sureshbalaraman@ wrote: > > > > Sanatji,i am confused with what exactly you are trying to say.I am > > living in 2008 gregorian calendar.Its natural for me to link to my > > present situation instead of contemplating why and how the sages and > > seers perceived knowledge and to give the exact methodology.Its > truly > > beyond me.I can only make inferences,deductions and therefore > conclude > > as circumstantial evidential truth.Who is to say with absolute > > authority,what happened.The Bhagavath gita as well many jain > scriptures > > collated messages of so many tirthankars,can only be listened to, by > > us.If we have any doubts,we need to proceed to authoritative > gurus,who > > are well versed in spirituality. > > > > I am a commoner with a philosophical bent of mind.It suits my > thinking > > and i am happy. > > > > >>But it was not said any where.<< > > > > So many of our books were stolen,burnt,plundered looted by barbaric > > mughals,mongols,brits,and as well as indian kings amongst > themselves in > > the past.The brits stole ship loads of palm leaves scriptures from > > india,maybe you ought to go to UK and start finding all > those.Because > > whats left in India,is just a meagre amount of old palm leaves > > knowledge.Many of them in sanksrit.One pundit will say one > > interpretation another will say another interpretation and it goes > on.I > > like Srila Prabhupadas translation and i am sticking to it.I am not > > asking anyone else to follow.Each can choose their own ishta > > translations. > > > > Astrology was used for panchangam purposes only with seasonal > > indicators,for performance of rituals in our dharma.That > enthusiastic > > scholars chose to predict mundane things to people thereby gain > > recongnition,fame,money is all together another issue. > > > > Lord krishna explains in gita,that he is the boss of everything.. i > mean > > everything...even what i have written is his potency.. i am > nobody.I am > > only a reflection of the supreme...shining in reflected glory of the > > Lord.In the universe,i constitute just a speck..a nano sub > > particle..which is existing its lifecycle and one day in a kshana > just > > go back to lord..astrology in proper perspective gives us a > directional > > light..as to how the laws were postulated...it will take brahmaji to > > incarnate again and explain... :) > > > > Suresh Balaraman. > > , " sanat2221 " > > <sanatkumar_jain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Res. SB Ji, > > > No I have not replied like > > > .>> " I enter each planet, and by my energy they stay in their > orbits, I > > > become the moon and thereby supply the juice of life to all > herbs " << > > > It is your msg of 4-4-08, on which I have replied. (you may check > as > > > I always attach a portion of previous link). > > > > > > I also disagree with your following inference. > > > " By inference one may deduce.Plant life is dependant on the moon > > > rays.Light from the sun gets reflected to moon and from moon to > > > earth.With out sun ,moon is zero.zilch.shunya. " > > > Because you yourself are drawing any inference which suit you in > > > modern concept without looking in to the fact as to what was said > in > > > what context. In which Ved, Puran or Greek or Varahmihir etc. told > > > and accepted that Moon get the light from the Sun and without Sun; > > > Moon is zero. It is only your translation in view of modern > > > knowledge. But it was not said any where. > > > > > > Yes " vahana can mean a rath then and now a bmw " but you cant say > that > > > Krishna was moving on BMW. What I mean to say that if you do the > > > translation of " Vahan " like BMW and try to infuse in the mind of > > > general public that Krishna was traveling on BMW then what will > > > happen. The same thing is happening with astrology. As no body > try to > > > look as to if you continue to join Krishna with BMW then you have > to > > > answer so many questions related to BMW, which will never > available > > > in Ved puran. Thus either you blame that I am not believing Ved or > > > knowledge of sages etc or continue to support your stand with > > > distorted translation, which is being done by almost all > astrologers. > > > > > > Thus if Brahmand was eternal then how we can conclude that tide is > > > creation of Moon (do not apply present knowledge) from this view. > > > Thus if in primitive time our sages have formulated some > principles > > > then you have to find and answer in the then perspective and then > you > > > have to check as to that contention was correct in view of modern > > > knowledge or not. But you can not support primitive concept with > > > modern interpretation or with modern knowledge. > > > > > > Thus so far you are not able to answer your stand that high & low > > > tides based on position of Moon from earth.Human body constitutes > of > > > fluids,so therefore there are subtle effects on the human body " > and > > > connection of inimical element of planet and sign. " > > > > > > Thanks > > > Sanat > > > 8-4-2008 > > > > > > Re: Science of astrology -1 > > > Posted by: " sureshbalaraman " sureshbalaraman@ > > > sureshbalaraman > > > Sun Apr 6, 2008 2:56 pm (PDT) > > > > > > You have intelligently replied to your own query,sanatji.>> " I > enter > > > each > > > planet, and by my energy they stay in their orbits, I > > > become the moon and thereby supply the juice of life to all herbs " > > > << > > > > > > By inference one may deduce.Plant life is dependant on the moon > > > rays.Light from the sun gets reflected to moon and from moon to > > > earth.With out sun ,moon is zero.zilch.shunya.What krishna says > or at > > > least visualised and interpreted to dritashtra,is said : > everything is > > > brahman.that brahman name is given as krishna.as he was the > present > > > avatar at that time.just like vahana can mean a rath then and now > a > > > bmw.therefore brahman existed then ,now,and future.all this futile > > > contemplation is of no use to anybody.chant the gods name and > obtain > > > moksha,is what shankara says,let us do that.hara shankara jaya > jaya > > > shankara > > > > > > sb > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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