Science of astrology -1

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Dear friends,

I am writing this to all members just to start an interaction.

 

Please offer your astrological comments that

why and how Mercury having Earthy element has been given the lordship

of Gemini sign having Airy element. Whereas Earth element has enmity

with Air element.

 

I hope I will get some logical and correct answer based on the

concept on which our sages done so.

 

sanat

[Guest guest]

Hi Sanat :

 

Can you please,tell me, why you have been named,Sanat Kumar Jain?

 

Suresh Balaraman.

 

 

 

 

, " sanat2221 "

<sanatkumar_jain wrote:

>

> Dear friends,

> I am writing this to all members just to start an interaction.

>

> Please offer your astrological comments that

> why and how Mercury having Earthy element has been given the lordship

> of Gemini sign having Airy element. Whereas Earth element has enmity

> with Air element.

>

> I hope I will get some logical and correct answer based on the

> concept on which our sages done so.

>

> sanat

>

[Guest guest]

Respected Suresh Ji,

Namaskar,

It is good that you have joined the forum and we will be able to

continue our discussion.

So far my name is concerned it is only a noun or you may say it is

the name of son of Brahmaji or it is a name of Indra as per Jain

mythology. But it has nothing to do with the 5 elements.

 

Secondly I also like to append the thread of our pending discussion

as follows.

 

I will like to say that you have mixed the whole concept hence you

are not able to isolate the picture. Let me clear.

1

>>>>>>>Its a scientific fact about high & low tides based on position

of Moon

from earth.Human body constitutes of fluids,so therefore there are

subtle effects on the human body.Ancient sages were wise people,who

were

catering their knowledge to a select elite,who were governing the

masses

or kingdom or queendoms.<<<<<<

 

Yes, it is scientific concept but can you inform me as to where any

sages in Ved or in 18 purans or any other place have stated that high

& low tide is the result of attraction by Moon. Yes, sages were wise

but their wiseness is related to with reference of the then knowledge

and not with future knowledge. As we used to say that stone painting

drawn 10000 years age are very good. But it does not mean that their

knowledge may be more then present knowledge. As an another example

we may say that many Indian fort are very good so far strategic and

defensive aspect is concerned and they are praised though out the

world, but it does not mean that they can save us from modern war. In

the same way knowledge of our sages was good. But it was very

primitive. In ved they have only highlighted Sun and Moon, whereas

other planets were roughly mentioned. What does it mean? Definitely

in those days other planets do not have much importance.

 

2

>>>>>>>>In this day & age,instead of scoffing astrology lock stock and

barrel,let's use the knowledge,by an ancient civilisation spanning

globally,not just India.<<<<<<<<

 

Yes, we must promote the knowledge but in the form of our heritage

and enrichment of our old civilization but not in the form of

superseding the scientific knowledge. Because by this we became

laughing stock. We must appreciate our long tradition and labour put

in by our sages in those days. But before pushing it ahead we must

know the fundamental as to how astrological principles were

formulated and what procedure was adopted and what was the level of

information etc.

 

3

>>>>>>>I think its like an therapy for people,who want success,be it

material

or spiritual.Karma is an integral part of sanathana dharma,and all

religion touch on this subject,in their own style and

format.<<<<<<<<<<

 

Yes, I am not denying the concept of Karm. Rather I am strong

believer of Karm. But then where is the role of astrology. Whether

Krishna has ever asked for any prediction before or after Gita. You

may be right that astrology is a kind of therapy for mentally

retarded, illiterate, who have lost their self confidence and so on.

But here we are not so.

 

4

>>>>>Everyone of us are re-incarnated again and again - period.By

doing good

ie what you think,say,and actually do should be the same,then one

acheives a state of perfection,as mentioned by Lord Krishna.Even god

which we often go and pray,transmigrates from time to time and

incarnates,when the need occurs in earth and other planetary

domains.<<<<<<<<

 

It is philosophy of religion and it has nothing to do with the

correctness of astrology and astrological principles.

 

5

>>>>>Even here,we are trying to use VJ as the mooladhara book.Does it

mean

that before VJ,our saints,rishis did not use these methods

mentioned?Definitely not.We are evolving at every step of the way and

will continue to evolve.Whether the knowledge comes from India,USA,UK

etc countries people.>>>>>>>

 

Vedang Jyotish of lagadh is only limited to working out the tithi,

muhurat etc. for yagya etc. In those days Jyotish was considered as

knowledge related to movement, position of Sun and Moon. Thus it was

astronomy in modern sense and it has nothing to do with the

predictive astrology. Yes, you are right that we will continue to

evolve, so instead of harping the music of our civilization or of our

sages or of our religion etc. we must know that knowledge belongs to

human civilization on the Earth, whether it is from our civilization

or from USA etc.

 

I have given s.no. to various points raised by you for easy reference

and I will like to continue our interaction.

 

I hope you will like to continue our interesting discussion.

 

Thanks

yours

sanat

 

 

 

, " sureshbalaraman "

<sureshbalaraman wrote:

>

>

> Hi Sanat :

>

> Can you please,tell me, why you have been named,Sanat Kumar Jain?

>

> Suresh Balaraman.

>

>

>

>

> , " sanat2221 "

> <sanatkumar_jain@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear friends,

> > I am writing this to all members just to start an interaction.

> >

> > Please offer your astrological comments that

> > why and how Mercury having Earthy element has been given the

lordship

> > of Gemini sign having Airy element. Whereas Earth element has

enmity

> > with Air element.

> >

> > I hope I will get some logical and correct answer based on the

> > concept on which our sages done so.

> >

> > sanat

> >

>

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Namastay Sanatji :

Since you have brought messages from Hindu Calendar forum,i will try to answere in proper context.

(1)

The purpose of Jyotisha as Vedanga was to prepare the student of Veda and Upanishad in understanding the place of man in the Universe.That it has become some sort of tool to predict mundane life trials & tribulations is the wayward way life is going on.After studying economics in some of the best schools in the world,majority of nations economic advisors worldover are grossly stupid in managing their economies,and the economic woes of common man,is incresing exponentially.But yet we are concerned about jyotish vidya,which is being used out of context.(2)

Chapter 18. Conclusion--The Perfection of Renunciation

TEXT 71

sraddhavan anasuyas ca srnuyad api yo narah so 'pi muktah subhal lokan prapnuyat punya-karmanam

TRANSLATION

And one who listens with faith and without envy becomes free from sinful reactions and attains to the planets where the pious dwell.

 

http://www.asitis.com/18/71.html (3)Astro-Logic;Sun-Aditya-Ravi Varam;Moon-Chandra-Soma Varam;Mars-Mangala-Mangala Varam;Mercury-Budhan-Budhan Varam;Jupiter-Guru-Guru Varam;Venus-Sukra-Sukra Varam;Saturn-Shanieswaran-Shanieswara Varam.Of the Navagrahas,seven of the above planets are included in our Panchangam.Rahu & Ketu have been allotted special timings so as to avoid doing important work.(3)

Om Lokah Samastah Sukhino Bhavantu:May Peace & Happiness Prevail

Amma has chosen some peace mantras for daily chanting by her devotees and disciples. One of those invocations is Om lokah samastah sukhino bhavantu. Although this mantra does not appear in any of the existent Veda sakhas [Vedic branches], it is an expression of the universal spirit that we find therein1. Let's take a look at what context it appears in and what meaning it carries. The sloka as a whole reads as follows:

svasti prajabhyam paripalayantham nyayeana margena mahim maheesahgobrahmanebhya shubamsthu nityam lokah samastha sukhino bhavanthu

May there be well being to the people;May the kings(Presidents,Prime Ministers etc) rule the earth along the right path;May the cattle and the Brahmins have well being forever;May all the beings in all the worlds(seven in number) become happy;Peace, peace and peace be everywhere!

 

http://archives.amritapuri.org/bharat/mantra/lokah.php

 

(4)

Sathapatha Brahmana 14.16: Katame Vasava iti. Agnischa prithivi cha vayusch-antarikshamchaadityascha dyouscha chandramascha nakshatrani chaite Vasava aeteshu hidam sarve vasu hitam aete hidam sarve vasayante taddyudidam sarve vasayante tasmad Vasava iti. The Sathapatha Brahmana gives the list of eight Vasu as (1) Agni (2) Prithvi (3) Vayu (4) Antariksha (5) Aditya (6) Dyou (7) Chandrama and (8) Nakshetra. Prima facie this may seem a bit contradictory as Aditya has also been mentioned separately but here it refers to the Sun, Chandra refers to the Moon, Nakshetra are the lunar mansions or the constellations and the remaining five represent the states of material existence. These eight form the primary source of enlightenment about the self. They represent the basic variables that define every creation and its original source of illumination in the ten methods defined earlier as the purpose of the deva. The Vishnu Purana makes this more lucid in the definition of the Vasu's as 1. Apa – Jala Tatwa or liquid 2. Dhara – Prithvi Tatwa or solid 3. Anila – Vayu Tatwa or Gas 4. Anala – Agni Tatwa or Energy 5. Dhruva – the pole star representing a. Akash Tatwa – the sky or Vacuum and b. fixity of the zodiac i.e. the relevance of Ayanamsa 6. Soma – The Moon 7. Pratyusha – the recurring dawn representing a. The Sun – as causing the night and day i.e. the source of light behind the dawn, b. Lagna – The ascendant or the point in the eastern horizon as representing the self and is equated to the dawn. 8. Prabhasa – splendorous lights of the stars that are grouped into 27/28 Nakshetra (Constellations). This list is the first principle of Jyotish where the bodies that create all beings as well as guide them through various activities are defined. These include (a) the Sun, (b) the Moon, © the constellations called Nakshetra and (d) the Pancha Tatwa or (the guidance/direction from) the five states of existence of all matter and energy. Thus, the luminaries (Sun & Moon), the five planets Mars, Mercury, Jupiter, Venus & Saturn [ruling the five states of energy (Agni), solid (Prithvi), ether (Akash), liquid (Jala) and gas (Vayu) respectively] and the 27 (or 28) lunar mansion called Nakshetra form the first principle. Birth implies creation and this is the Satvic principle of sustenance of the born or created being.

 

http://varahamihira.blogspot.com/2004/07/33-devas-pt-sanjay-rath.html

 

As a philosopher,our vedas mention that"the sun never rises or sets" that is the actual truth.We have taken arbitary points for mathematical purposes,constructed the measurement of time known as per the perception of humanity,as per evolution over milleniums.In fact the milky way,is only a " chakram" of the lord which he happens to hold in one of his fingers,when one can visualise in cosmic contemplation,the "swayam rupam" when you pray to see the form.

 

The bottomline is,jyotisham is for the student of vedas,upanishads...that this knowledge has crept into a soothsayer business is a comedy of errors.The probability of prediction is 50 - 50 statistically.Because one has strengthened his/her sixth sense thru yoga or bhakthi or poorva janma karma,he/she is able to predict consistently the future.

 

Suresh Balaraman.

 

 

 

 

 

 

, "sanat2221" <sanatkumar_jain wrote:>> Respected Suresh Ji,> Namaskar,> It is good that you have joined the forum and we will be able to > continue our discussion.> So far my name is concerned it is only a noun or you may say it is > the name of son of Brahmaji or it is a name of Indra as per Jain > mythology. But it has nothing to do with the 5 elements.> > Secondly I also like to append the thread of our pending discussion > as follows.> > I will like to say that you have mixed the whole concept hence you > are not able to isolate the picture. Let me clear.> 1> >>>>>>>Its a scientific fact about high & low tides based on position > of Moon> from earth.Human body constitutes of fluids,so therefore there are> subtle effects on the human body.Ancient sages were wise people,who > were> catering their knowledge to a select elite,who were governing the > masses> or kingdom or queendoms.<<<<<<> > Yes, it is scientific concept but can you inform me as to where any > sages in Ved or in 18 purans or any other place have stated that high > & low tide is the result of attraction by Moon. Yes, sages were wise > but their wiseness is related to with reference of the then knowledge > and not with future knowledge. As we used to say that stone painting > drawn 10000 years age are very good. But it does not mean that their > knowledge may be more then present knowledge. As an another example > we may say that many Indian fort are very good so far strategic and > defensive aspect is concerned and they are praised though out the > world, but it does not mean that they can save us from modern war. In > the same way knowledge of our sages was good. But it was very > primitive. In ved they have only highlighted Sun and Moon, whereas > other planets were roughly mentioned. What does it mean? Definitely > in those days other planets do not have much importance.> > 2> >>>>>>>>In this day & age,instead of scoffing astrology lock stock and> barrel,let's use the knowledge,by an ancient civilisation spanning> globally,not just India.<<<<<<<<> > Yes, we must promote the knowledge but in the form of our heritage > and enrichment of our old civilization but not in the form of > superseding the scientific knowledge. Because by this we became > laughing stock. We must appreciate our long tradition and labour put > in by our sages in those days. But before pushing it ahead we must > know the fundamental as to how astrological principles were > formulated and what procedure was adopted and what was the level of > information etc.> > 3> >>>>>>>I think its like an therapy for people,who want success,be it > material> or spiritual.Karma is an integral part of sanathana dharma,and all> religion touch on this subject,in their own style and > format.<<<<<<<<<<> > Yes, I am not denying the concept of Karm. Rather I am strong > believer of Karm. But then where is the role of astrology. Whether > Krishna has ever asked for any prediction before or after Gita. You > may be right that astrology is a kind of therapy for mentally > retarded, illiterate, who have lost their self confidence and so on. > But here we are not so.> > 4> >>>>>Everyone of us are re-incarnated again and again - period.By > doing good> ie what you think,say,and actually do should be the same,then one> acheives a state of perfection,as mentioned by Lord Krishna.Even god> which we often go and pray,transmigrates from time to time and> incarnates,when the need occurs in earth and other planetary > domains.<<<<<<<<> > It is philosophy of religion and it has nothing to do with the > correctness of astrology and astrological principles.> > 5> >>>>>Even here,we are trying to use VJ as the mooladhara book.Does it > mean> that before VJ,our saints,rishis did not use these methods> mentioned?Definitely not.We are evolving at every step of the way and> will continue to evolve.Whether the knowledge comes from India,USA,UK> etc countries people.>>>>>>>> > Vedang Jyotish of lagadh is only limited to working out the tithi, > muhurat etc. for yagya etc. In those days Jyotish was considered as > knowledge related to movement, position of Sun and Moon. Thus it was > astronomy in modern sense and it has nothing to do with the > predictive astrology. Yes, you are right that we will continue to > evolve, so instead of harping the music of our civilization or of our > sages or of our religion etc. we must know that knowledge belongs to > human civilization on the Earth, whether it is from our civilization > or from USA etc.> > I have given s.no. to various points raised by you for easy reference > and I will like to continue our interaction. > > I hope you will like to continue our interesting discussion.> > Thanks> yours> sanat> > > > , "sureshbalaraman" > sureshbalaraman@ wrote:> >> > > > Hi Sanat :> > > > Can you please,tell me, why you have been named,Sanat Kumar Jain?> > > > Suresh Balaraman.> > > > > > > > > > , "sanat2221"> > <sanatkumar_jain@> wrote:> > >> > > Dear friends,> > > I am writing this to all members just to start an interaction.> > >> > > Please offer your astrological comments that> > > why and how Mercury having Earthy element has been given the > lordship> > > of Gemini sign having Airy element. Whereas Earth element has > enmity> > > with Air element.> > >> > > I hope I will get some logical and correct answer based on the> > > concept on which our sages done so.> > >> > > sanat> > >> >>

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(1) In the Bhagavad-gita (15.3) it is stated:

gam avishyaca bhutanidharayamy aham ojasapushnami caushadhih sarvasomo bhutva rasatmakah

"I enter each planet, and by my energy they stay in their orbits, I become the moon and thereby supply the juice of life to all herbs"

The moon nourishes the plant kingdom. The moon influences the tides of the ocean (which is the cosmic mental substance) and thereby provides a supply of water that is transformable to pure, non-salty taste by evaporation to make rain clouds. This is why the association of flowers can counteract the influence of the moon in the eighth house.

(2)

In the Ayurveda it is said:

vayu agni bhumy abguna padavat tad sadbhyo rasebhyah prabhavat ca tasya

- Caraka-samhita 4.2.4

The semen that passes into the ovary is constituted of equal parts of air, fire, water and earth. The ether becomes mixed with it in the ovary. The semen is the product of six kinds of fluids (rasas).

Thus the fetus of the body is a veritable combination of the five elements. And the world that it perceives is a display of the sense objects, which are the subtle form of these five elements.

http://www.veda.harekrsna.cz/encyclopedia/ayurvedantacakras.htm : Source.

Suresh Balaraman.

 

 

, "sanat2221" <sanatkumar_jain wrote:>> Respected Suresh Ji,> Namaskar,> It is good that you have joined the forum and we will be able to > continue our discussion.> So far my name is concerned it is only a noun or you may say it is > the name of son of Brahmaji or it is a name of Indra as per Jain > mythology. But it has nothing to do with the 5 elements.> > Secondly I also like to append the thread of our pending discussion > as follows.> > I will like to say that you have mixed the whole concept hence you > are not able to isolate the picture. Let me clear.> 1> >>>>>>>Its a scientific fact about high & low tides based on position > of Moon> from earth.Human body constitutes of fluids,so therefore there are> subtle effects on the human body.Ancient sages were wise people,who > were> catering their knowledge to a select elite,who were governing the > masses> or kingdom or queendoms.<<<<<<> > Yes, it is scientific concept but can you inform me as to where any > sages in Ved or in 18 purans or any other place have stated that high > & low tide is the result of attraction by Moon. Yes, sages were wise > but their wiseness is related to with reference of the then knowledge > and not with future knowledge. As we used to say that stone painting > drawn 10000 years age are very good. But it does not mean that their > knowledge may be more then present knowledge. As an another example > we may say that many Indian fort are very good so far strategic and > defensive aspect is concerned and they are praised though out the > world, but it does not mean that they can save us from modern war. In > the same way knowledge of our sages was good. But it was very > primitive. In ved they have only highlighted Sun and Moon, whereas > other planets were roughly mentioned. What does it mean? Definitely > in those days other planets do not have much importance.> > 2> >>>>>>>>In this day & age,instead of scoffing astrology lock stock and> barrel,let's use the knowledge,by an ancient civilisation spanning> globally,not just India.<<<<<<<<> > Yes, we must promote the knowledge but in the form of our heritage > and enrichment of our old civilization but not in the form of > superseding the scientific knowledge. Because by this we became > laughing stock. We must appreciate our long tradition and labour put > in by our sages in those days. But before pushing it ahead we must > know the fundamental as to how astrological principles were > formulated and what procedure was adopted and what was the level of > information etc.> > 3> >>>>>>>I think its like an therapy for people,who want success,be it > material> or spiritual.Karma is an integral part of sanathana dharma,and all> religion touch on this subject,in their own style and > format.<<<<<<<<<<> > Yes, I am not denying the concept of Karm. Rather I am strong > believer of Karm. But then where is the role of astrology. Whether > Krishna has ever asked for any prediction before or after Gita. You > may be right that astrology is a kind of therapy for mentally > retarded, illiterate, who have lost their self confidence and so on. > But here we are not so.> > 4> >>>>>Everyone of us are re-incarnated again and again - period.By > doing good> ie what you think,say,and actually do should be the same,then one> acheives a state of perfection,as mentioned by Lord Krishna.Even god> which we often go and pray,transmigrates from time to time and> incarnates,when the need occurs in earth and other planetary > domains.<<<<<<<<> > It is philosophy of religion and it has nothing to do with the > correctness of astrology and astrological principles.> > 5> >>>>>Even here,we are trying to use VJ as the mooladhara book.Does it > mean> that before VJ,our saints,rishis did not use these methods> mentioned?Definitely not.We are evolving at every step of the way and> will continue to evolve.Whether the knowledge comes from India,USA,UK> etc countries people.>>>>>>>> > Vedang Jyotish of lagadh is only limited to working out the tithi, > muhurat etc. for yagya etc. In those days Jyotish was considered as > knowledge related to movement, position of Sun and Moon. Thus it was > astronomy in modern sense and it has nothing to do with the > predictive astrology. Yes, you are right that we will continue to > evolve, so instead of harping the music of our civilization or of our > sages or of our religion etc. we must know that knowledge belongs to > human civilization on the Earth, whether it is from our civilization > or from USA etc.> > I have given s.no. to various points raised by you for easy reference > and I will like to continue our interaction. > > I hope you will like to continue our interesting discussion.> > Thanks> yours> sanat> > > > , "sureshbalaraman" > sureshbalaraman@ wrote:> >> > > > Hi Sanat :> > > > Can you please,tell me, why you have been named,Sanat Kumar Jain?> > > > Suresh Balaraman.> > > > > > > > > > , "sanat2221"> > <sanatkumar_jain@> wrote:> > >> > > Dear friends,> > > I am writing this to all members just to start an interaction.> > >> > > Please offer your astrological comments that> > > why and how Mercury having Earthy element has been given the > lordship> > > of Gemini sign having Airy element. Whereas Earth element has > enmity> > > with Air element.> > >> > > I hope I will get some logical and correct answer based on the> > > concept on which our sages done so.> > >> > > sanat> > >> >>

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Thanks for sharing this Sir! Regards, Krishnasureshbalaraman <sureshbalaraman wrote: (1) In the Bhagavad-gita (15.3) it is stated: gam avishyaca bhutanidharayamy aham ojasapushnami caushadhih sarvasomo bhutva rasatmakah "I enter each planet, and by my energy they stay in their orbits, I

become the moon and thereby supply the juice of life to all herbs" The moon nourishes the plant kingdom. The moon influences the tides of the ocean (which is the cosmic mental substance) and thereby provides a supply of water that is transformable to pure, non-salty taste by evaporation to make rain clouds. This is why the association of flowers can counteract the influence of the moon in the eighth house. (2) In the Ayurveda it is said: vayu agni bhumy abguna padavat tad sadbhyo rasebhyah prabhavat ca tasya - Caraka-samhita 4.2.4 The semen that passes into the ovary is constituted of equal parts of air, fire, water and earth. The ether becomes mixed with it in the ovary. The semen is the product of six kinds of fluids (rasas). Thus the fetus of the body is a veritable combination of the five elements. And the world that it perceives is a display of the sense objects, which are the subtle form of these five elements. http://www.veda.harekrsna.cz/encyclopedia/ayurvedantacakras.htm : Source. Suresh

Balaraman. , "sanat2221" <sanatkumar_jain wrote:>> Respected Suresh Ji,> Namaskar,> It is good that you have joined the forum and we will be able to > continue our discussion.> So far my name is concerned it is only a noun or you may say it is > the name of son of Brahmaji or it is a name of Indra as per Jain > mythology. But it has nothing to do with the 5 elements.> > Secondly I also like to append the thread of our pending discussion > as follows.> > I will like to say that you have mixed the whole concept hence you > are not able to isolate the picture. Let me clear.> 1> >>>>>>>Its a scientific fact about high & low tides based on position > of Moon> from earth.Human

body constitutes of fluids,so therefore there are> subtle effects on the human body.Ancient sages were wise people,who > were> catering their knowledge to a select elite,who were governing the > masses> or kingdom or queendoms.<<<<<<> > Yes, it is scientific concept but can you inform me as to where any > sages in Ved or in 18 purans or any other place have stated that high > & low tide is the result of attraction by Moon. Yes, sages were wise > but their wiseness is related to with reference of the then knowledge > and not with future knowledge. As we used to say that stone painting > drawn 10000 years age are very good. But it does not mean that their > knowledge may be more then present knowledge. As an another example > we may say that many Indian fort are very good so far strategic and > defensive aspect is concerned and they are praised

though out the > world, but it does not mean that they can save us from modern war. In > the same way knowledge of our sages was good. But it was very > primitive. In ved they have only highlighted Sun and Moon, whereas > other planets were roughly mentioned. What does it mean? Definitely > in those days other planets do not have much importance.> > 2> >>>>>>>>In this day & age,instead of scoffing astrology lock stock and> barrel,let's use the knowledge,by an ancient civilisation spanning> globally,not just India.<<<<<<<<> > Yes, we must promote the knowledge but in the form of our heritage > and enrichment of our old civilization but not in the form of > superseding the scientific knowledge. Because by this we became > laughing stock. We must appreciate our long tradition and labour put > in by our sages in

those days. But before pushing it ahead we must > know the fundamental as to how astrological principles were > formulated and what procedure was adopted and what was the level of > information etc.> > 3> >>>>>>>I think its like an therapy for people,who want success,be it > material> or spiritual.Karma is an integral part of sanathana dharma,and all> religion touch on this subject,in their own style and > format.<<<<<<<<<<> > Yes, I am not denying the concept of Karm. Rather I am strong > believer of Karm. But then where is the role of astrology. Whether > Krishna has ever asked for any prediction before or after Gita. You > may be right that astrology is a kind of therapy for mentally > retarded, illiterate, who have lost their self confidence and so on. > But here we are not so.> >

4> >>>>>Everyone of us are re-incarnated again and again - period.By > doing good> ie what you think,say,and actually do should be the same,then one> acheives a state of perfection,as mentioned by Lord Krishna.Even god> which we often go and pray,transmigrates from time to time and> incarnates,when the need occurs in earth and other planetary > domains.<<<<<<<<> > It is philosophy of religion and it has nothing to do with the > correctness of astrology and astrological principles.> > 5> >>>>>Even here,we are trying to use VJ as the mooladhara book.Does it > mean> that before VJ,our saints,rishis did not use these methods> mentioned?Definitely not.We are evolving at every step of the way and> will continue to evolve.Whether the knowledge comes from India,USA,UK> etc countries

people.>>>>>>>> > Vedang Jyotish of lagadh is only limited to working out the tithi, > muhurat etc. for yagya etc. In those days Jyotish was considered as > knowledge related to movement, position of Sun and Moon. Thus it was > astronomy in modern sense and it has nothing to do with the > predictive astrology. Yes, you are right that we will continue to > evolve, so instead of harping the music of our civilization or of our > sages or of our religion etc. we must know that knowledge belongs to > human civilization on the Earth, whether it is from our civilization > or from USA etc.> > I have given s.no. to various points raised by you for easy reference > and I will like to continue our interaction. > > I hope you will like to continue our interesting discussion.> > Thanks> yours> sanat> > > >

, "sureshbalaraman" > sureshbalaraman@ wrote:> >> > > > Hi Sanat :> > > > Can you please,tell me, why you have been named,Sanat Kumar Jain?> > > > Suresh Balaraman.> > > > > > > > > > , "sanat2221"> > <sanatkumar_jain@> wrote:> > >> > > Dear friends,> > > I am writing this to all members just to start an interaction.> > >> > > Please offer your astrological comments that> > > why and how Mercury having Earthy element has been given the > lordship> > > of Gemini sign having Airy element. Whereas Earth element has > enmity> > > with Air element.> > >> > > I hope I will get some logical and

correct answer based on the> > > concept on which our sages done so.> > >> > > sanat> > >> >>

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