Guest guest Posted March 25, 2009 Report Share Posted March 25, 2009 Dear Members, I have seen the condition where Lal kitab totally contradict with Vedic astrology. Here is the birth chart: HNO1 :(Rashi-7 ,Moon) HN02 :(Rashi-8 ,Ketu ) HN03 :(Rashi-9 ) HNO4 :(Rashi-10 ,Mars) HNO5 :(Rashi-11 ) HNO6 :(Rashi-12 ,Venus) HNO7 :(Rash-1 ,Sun,Mercury) HNO8 :(Rashi-2 ,Rahu) HNO9 :(Rashi-3 ,Shani) HNO10:(Rashi-4,Jupiter) HNO11:(Rashi-5) HNO12:(Rashi-6) As per Vedic Astrology: Ma,Ju,Su is exalted and all the other planets is also in good position but as per Lal kitab Ma,Ju,Su is debliated and remaining planets are also not in good position(when we consider first house as first rashi). I consulted Vedic and Lalkitab astrologer and their point of view is just opposite to each other. Now my question is How the two system claim to be accurate when the prediction is totally different. My Suggestion: When we make Birth chart according to Lal kitab we consider first House as first rashi and predict afterward instead of that If we move the rashi number 1 planets to house number 1 and move all the planets according to that then I guess we can overcome the contradiction I know this is not the rule but atleast I am going to try this to see how the prediction is comming. Plz. post your suggestion it is urgent. Regards Ashok Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 25, 2009 Report Share Posted March 25, 2009 Ashok ji, yes there are contradictions. What texts like chamatkar chintamani say about mercury 11 is totally poles apart from what lalkitab says about mercury 11. Regards. Kulbir. On 3/25/09, y2k_aksingh <y2k_aksingh wrote: > Dear Members, > I have seen the condition where Lal kitab totally contradict with Vedic > astrology. > Here is the birth chart: > > HNO1 :(Rashi-7 ,Moon) > HN02 :(Rashi-8 ,Ketu ) > HN03 :(Rashi-9 ) > HNO4 :(Rashi-10 ,Mars) > HNO5 :(Rashi-11 ) > HNO6 :(Rashi-12 ,Venus) > HNO7 :(Rash-1 ,Sun,Mercury) > HNO8 :(Rashi-2 ,Rahu) > HNO9 :(Rashi-3 ,Shani) > HNO10:(Rashi-4,Jupiter) > HNO11:(Rashi-5) > HNO12:(Rashi-6) > > As per Vedic Astrology: > Ma,Ju,Su is exalted and all the other planets > is also in good position but as per Lal kitab > Ma,Ju,Su is debliated and remaining planets > are also not in good position(when we consider > first house as first rashi). > > I consulted Vedic and Lalkitab astrologer and their > point of view is just opposite to each other. > > Now my question is How the two system claim to be accurate > when the prediction is totally different. > > > My Suggestion: > > When we make Birth chart according to Lal kitab we consider first > House as first rashi and predict afterward instead of that > If we move the rashi number 1 planets to house number 1 and > move all the planets according to that then I guess we can > overcome the contradiction I know this is not the rule but > atleast I am going to try this to see how the prediction is > comming. > > Plz. post your suggestion it is urgent. > > Regards > Ashok > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- Sent from my mobile device Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 26, 2009 Report Share Posted March 26, 2009 Dear Ashok,Lalkitab is based on the different platform than the traditional astrology which is based astronomy. The main base of this science is Palmistry and Qyafa. The Horoscope should be made from palms considering different lines & marks. It is told in the book that till the proficiency in this technique is not gained ,one can use the Horoscope made on the basis of astronomy, and that too by leaving aside signs & nakshatra part at all.Only House kundli is to be taken.Thus one may find contradiction if one uses mixed rules of traditional astrology and Lalkitab. The contradiction occur only when one mix the rules of one system to another. You know the rules of Ayurveda, Homoeopathic and allopathic differ from each other, while the purpose of all the same is to treat the disease. In my opinion, One must follow the rules of systems for which he is practising. Regards Nirmal On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 6:45 PM, y2k_aksingh <y2k_aksingh wrote: Dear Members, I have seen the condition where Lal kitab totally contradict with Vedic astrology. Here is the birth chart: HNO1 :(Rashi-7 ,Moon) HN02 :(Rashi-8 ,Ketu ) HN03 :(Rashi-9 ) HNO4 :(Rashi-10 ,Mars) HNO5 :(Rashi-11 ) HNO6 :(Rashi-12 ,Venus) HNO7 :(Rash-1 ,Sun,Mercury) HNO8 :(Rashi-2 ,Rahu) HNO9 :(Rashi-3 ,Shani) HNO10:(Rashi-4,Jupiter) HNO11:(Rashi-5) HNO12:(Rashi-6) As per Vedic Astrology: Ma,Ju,Su is exalted and all the other planets is also in good position but as per Lal kitab Ma,Ju,Su is debliated and remaining planets are also not in good position(when we consider first house as first rashi). I consulted Vedic and Lalkitab astrologer and their point of view is just opposite to each other. Now my question is How the two system claim to be accurate when the prediction is totally different. My Suggestion: When we make Birth chart according to Lal kitab we consider first House as first rashi and predict afterward instead of that If we move the rashi number 1 planets to house number 1 and move all the planets according to that then I guess we can overcome the contradiction I know this is not the rule but atleast I am going to try this to see how the prediction is comming. Plz. post your suggestion it is urgent. Regards Ashok Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 27, 2009 Report Share Posted March 27, 2009 Dear Nirmal Ji, I really appreciate your answer and I fully agree with you but the both system is predicting very different ofcourse the rule has been followed accordingly. Plz. Draw the horoscope and you will see the discrepancy. I am looking forward to discuss on this topic because only one of the system can be correct. Best of regards Ashok --- On Thu, 3/26/09, Nirmal Kumar Bhardwaj <nirbhar wrote: Nirmal Kumar Bhardwaj <nirbharRe: Contradiction to Vedic astrology Date: Thursday, March 26, 2009, 1:05 AM Dear Ashok, Lalkitab is based on the different platform than the traditional astrology which is based astronomy. The main base of this science is Palmistry and Qyafa. The Horoscope should be made from palms considering different lines & marks. It is told in the book that till the proficiency in this technique is not gained ,one can use the Horoscope made on the basis of astronomy, and that too by leaving aside signs & nakshatra part at all.Only House kundli is to be taken.Thus one may find contradiction if one uses mixed rules of traditional astrology and Lalkitab. The contradiction occur only when one mix the rules of one system to another. You know the rules of Ayurveda, Homoeopathic and allopathic differ from each other, while the purpose of all the same is to treat the disease. In my opinion, One must follow the rules of systems for which he is practising. Regards Nirmal On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 6:45 PM, y2k_aksingh <y2k_aksingh@ > wrote: Dear Members,I have seen the condition where Lal kitab totally contradict with Vedicastrology.Here is the birth chart:HNO1 :(Rashi-7 ,Moon)HN02 :(Rashi-8 ,Ketu )HN03 :(Rashi-9 )HNO4 :(Rashi-10 ,Mars)HNO5 :(Rashi-11 )HNO6 :(Rashi-12 ,Venus)HNO7 :(Rash-1 ,Sun,Mercury)HNO8 :(Rashi-2 ,Rahu)HNO9 :(Rashi-3 ,Shani)HNO10:(Rashi- 4,Jupiter)HNO11:(Rashi- 5)HNO12:(Rashi- 6)As per Vedic Astrology:Ma,Ju,Su is exalted and all the other planetsis also in good position but as per Lal kitabMa,Ju,Su is debliated and remaining planets are also not in good position(when we considerfirst house as first rashi).I consulted Vedic and Lalkitab astrologer and their point of view is just opposite to each other.Now my question is How the two system claim to be accurate when the prediction is totally different.My Suggestion:When we make Birth chart according to Lal kitab we consider firstHouse as first rashi and predict afterward instead of thatIf we move the rashi number 1 planets to house number 1 and move all the planets according to that then I guess we can overcome the contradiction I know this is not the rule but atleast I am going to try this to see how the prediction iscomming.Plz. post your suggestion it is urgent.RegardsAshok Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 2, 2009 Report Share Posted April 2, 2009 Dear Ashok Ji, As i earlier said that every systtem has its own rules to follow and analyze. Lalkitab do not use Signs as being used in Traditional Astrology. The House are the prime consideration. Brihaspati is Uchha in Fourth House and neecha in 10th house, Mars Neecha in 4th and Uchha in 10th. If you interpret the horoscope in Lalkitab System You have to consider mars as neech as per given horoscope and use Lalkitab rules. Since both the system are quite different (Though have some similarities)hence one has to treat them individually and independent. Homoeopathy cures the human diseases,allopathy also does the same, Ayurvedic also does the same and naturopathy also do the same. And they all are effective and also contradictory to each other. So In my opinion it is better to stick on to the system for which one want to practice. Regards Nirmal , Ashok singh <y2k_aksingh wrote: > > Dear Nirmal Ji, > � > I really appreciate your answer and I fully agree with you but the both system > is predicting very different ofcourse the rule has been followed accordingly. > � > Plz. Draw the horoscope and you will see the discrepancy.� > � > I am looking forward to discuss on this topic because only one of the system can be correct. > � > Best of regards > Ashok� > > > --- On Thu, 3/26/09, Nirmal Kumar Bhardwaj <nirbhar wrote: > > > Nirmal Kumar Bhardwaj <nirbhar > Re: Contradiction to Vedic astrology > > Thursday, March 26, 2009, 1:05 AM Dear Ashok, > > Lalkitab is based on the different platform than the traditional astrology which is based astronomy. The main base of this science is Palmistry and Qyafa. The Horoscope should be made from palms considering different lines & marks. It is told in the book that till the proficiency in this technique is not gained ,one can use the Horoscope made on the basis of astronomy, and that too by leaving aside signs & nakshatra part at all.Only House kundli is to be taken.Thus one may find contradiction if one uses mixed rules of traditional astrology and Lalkitab. > > The contradiction occur only when one mix the rules of one system to another. You know the rules of Ayurveda, Homoeopathic and allopathic differ from each other, while the purpose of all the same is to treat the disease.� > In my opinion,� One must follow the rules of systems for which he is practising.� > Regards > Nirmal > > On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 6:45 PM, y2k_aksingh <y2k_aksingh@ > wrote: Dear Members, > I have seen the condition where Lal kitab totally contradict with Vedic > astrology. > Here is the birth chart: > > HNO1 :(Rashi-7 ,Moon) > HN02 :(Rashi-8 ,Ketu ) > HN03 :(Rashi-9 ) > HNO4 :(Rashi-10 ,Mars) > HNO5 :(Rashi-11 ) > HNO6 :(Rashi-12 ,Venus) > HNO7 :(Rash-1 ,Sun,Mercury) > HNO8 :(Rashi-2 ,Rahu) > HNO9 :(Rashi-3 ,Shani) > HNO10:(Rashi- 4,Jupiter) > HNO11:(Rashi- 5) > HNO12:(Rashi- 6) > > As per Vedic Astrology: > Ma,Ju,Su is exalted and all the other planets > is also in good position but as per Lal kitab > Ma,Ju,Su is debliated and remaining planets > are also not in good position(when we consider > first house as first rashi). > > I consulted Vedic and Lalkitab astrologer and their > point of view is just opposite to each other. > > Now my question is How the two system claim to be accurate > when the prediction is totally different. > > My Suggestion: > > When we make Birth chart according to Lal kitab we consider first > House as first rashi and predict afterward instead of that > If we move the rashi number 1 planets to house number 1 and > move all the planets according to that then I guess we can > overcome the contradiction I know this is not the rule but > atleast I am going to try this to see how the prediction is > comming. > > Plz. post your suggestion it is urgent. > > Regards > Ashok > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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