Guest guest Posted November 15, 2008 Report Share Posted November 15, 2008 Namaskar Rajinder, Re your email regarding Priya Ji. I also have been one of the people to meet this incredibly sincere and humble gentleman. It was in fact at the time of the conference in Delhi and i can confirm that he did attend this conference as a spectator. Having received remedies over a number of years through and from him, all have been explained in detail to me and i cannot stress how effective these remedies have been. Far from looking for disciples he refuses to allow people to call him or see him other than another human being. He has helped many people tirelessly and ceaselessly, and you may say to him - get a life, his life is Lal Kitab and serving humanity. I have been fortunate in this life, I believe i was the one who gave PB's phone number to Lalkitabee. When I come from the west on a number of occasions i have asked if there is anything he has needed - would like me to bring, but he refuses all favours. But has always been accessible to me by phone. Many people use alternative id's on the internet and i see nothing wrong in anything you throw at him. The only thing i find disturbing is that great scholars like yourself have to throw mud at people who are serving others. We all know his groups have been hacked on a number of occasions - with messages saying he is finishing with his work, he has had enough, i even remember one stating that he had been faking the whole id thing. when i saw this message i phoned him. He is a highly intelligent scholar, a kind gentleman who cares about others in distress, without every looking for gain of any sort. Many people I know have been helped an supported by the remedies he has suggested. I am sad this email had to be written. But I would defend him until hell freezes overwith kind regards Su--- On Fri, 14/11/08, Rajinder Bhatia <rajinderbhatia2002 wrote: Rajinder Bhatia <rajinderbhatia2002[lalkitab] A VERY SAD TOPIC....A lengthy Email Date: Friday, 14 November, 2008, 3:49 AM Friends, With a heavy heart, I am writing the following. I have resisted this for many years but now that the cat is out of the bag, I want to bring out some facts. My apologies in advance, this is a lengthy Email and the subject matter is quite unpleasant. Prof Suresh Upadhyay (PSU for short), is one the foremost scholars of Lal Kitab astrology. He retired as a professor of linguistics/ phonetics from a premier institute of India . Pt Vipin Shukla (Lalkitabee) , who is very close to my family, has always spoken extremely highly of PSU's devotion to Lal Kitab. Let me state here that Pt Shukla is not easily impressed by anyone; so this is a great testimonial to Prof Upadhyay’s ability. Of all the people that I know, however, only three people have met PSU in person – Pt Shukla and others being PSU's former students; one of them is a member of various Lal Kitab forums. Other than that, none of the Lal Kitab devotees that I know of has ever seen him as he refuses/avoids to meet anyone from any of the forums. So we have to depend on Pt Shukla’s testimonial. There is no question in my mind about PSU's deep study of Lal Kitab. He works tirelessly and provides remedial measures free of cost. Some of these are Lal Kitab based, others are mostly folk remedies collected from here and there and many are questionable and controversial. Yet all these are being dispensed by him under the name of, Lal Kitab (as if these were solely Lal Kitab remedies.) To his credit, he is quite diligent about this service. That is one aspect of his personality – a knowledgeable and compassionate person who perhaps spends his entire day being on the net, juggling between various roles concerning forum-related activities. However, there is another aspect of PSU's personality, a very sad one, a painful subject to talk about but it has to be brought out to set the record straight. Right from the start of Lal Kitab , he has always operated with multiple user-ids; has always acted as “good-guy†via some user-ids and as “bad-guy†via others; has always employed stealth and surreptitious methods with the ultimate goal of gaining an upper hand over everyone else when it comes to any Lal Kitab discussion, thus boosting his ego. Prof Suresh Upadhyay is none other than Pt Madam Bhushan Priya (a self assumed name in which he, very surprisingly, introduced himself as a woman, a “mother†and a novice trying to learn Lal Kitab.) Within a couple of months, Prof Upadhyay disappeared from the then-forum and this “new†woman became a Lal Kitab “expert†so much so that s/he started his/her own Lal Kitab group on . With this came the “master stroke†– he also started a Lal Kitab “Discussion Group†where he became the great Gurujee with numerous (imaginary) disciples studying Lal Kitab under his tutelage. These “disciples†were all fake user-ids manufactured by PSU as needed – the number of such fake chelas is unknown. In his forum, he has always been very careful to censor any dissenting opinion and delete Emails that question his tactics. In the process, many have been banned who were writing things that were inconvenient to PSU. Yet he unabashedly accepted mails from a few misguided and immature individuals who were openly taking pot shots at some others. Even Lal Kitab1941 (Gutka) transliterated by Sh Yograj was not spared. On the one hand PSU lauded the attempt and on the other hand, he let the same malicious people splash mud at the wonderful book and the people associated with it. Topics that were/are being discussed in AstroStudents forum were (and are) regularly hijacked to the great Gurujee’s forum; even irrelevant non-topics from some pea-brained individuals were published as long as they splashed mud at some particular individuals, yours truly included. PSU really stooped low! At times PSU acted extremely abrasive, while at others he acted as a naive person with the express intent of be-fooling others. He has used circular logic, ignored the basic point of an inconvenient discussion and has never for once, conceded that he ever made a mistake. One example: Steel ring as a remedial measure suggested in Mercury 12 - through his illogical logic he has always maintained that the ring has to be open-ended and that is what he prescribes because once he has "pronounced" that, he won't rectify his mistake. This is despite the fact that I tried to correct him numerous times on this particular topic, sharing with one and all what Pt Rup Chand jee had to say about this remedial measure. He would have none of it – he firmly believes that he knows more than the originator of the system! Many of us have known about PSU's strange behavior for a long time but never said a word about it. As a moderator at another Lal Kitab group, I used to receive emails about this "fake id" business quite regularly but out of respect and decency towards a senior person and a former educator, I decided to reject/delete/ edit such mails. It does not matter, if that is how he gets his kicks - let it be. But repeatedly, he has crossed the limit of what is tolerable. On all possible occasions, he has, through his various fake ids, tried to blow the trumpet of Pt Krishan Ashant's blatant lies about Pt Rup Chand jee and as recently as a few weeks ago, he called Pt Jee a mere "scribe." I state very emphatically that this is crude, mean, low-class and vulgar – these are the politest words I can use. (When I say 'he' I mean one of his user-ids, his creation, his make-believe world.) Not only that, he even gloated in the recent past that there is no material ever written by Pt Rup Chand jee post-1952 that is in his son's (Pt Som Dutt jee’s) or anyone else’s possession and that if there is any such Lal Kitab related material, it must be "brought to Aligarh" “for authentication.†Come on Prof Upadhyay, get real and get off your imaginary high horse. Your "virtual disciples" and the vaporous "Aligarh Group†will decide the authenticity of Lal Kitab? Get a life! Many seniors have laughed at this suggestion while others have pitied the so-called Aligarh Group’s "intellect." Although a scholar, PSU has been displaying a severe psychological aberration. He wants to be known and recognized as the high priest of Lal Kitab and lives in a fantasy world where he visualizes himself sitting at a high pedestal with numerous of his disciples standing around with bowed heads and folded hands, awaiting the words of wisdom - "The Oracle has spake." Why did he have to "change" his persona into a woman, Pt Bhushan Priya, who by "her" own admission, (also) taught at IIT, and had the same credentials as Prof Upadhyay, “She†went to a conference at IIT, Kharagpur as advertised in “her†“Discussion Group†(Little known to "her" that we have a copy of the names of invited guests and those who attended – “Priya†was NOT one of them, Prof Upadhyay was.) A liar always gets caught in his/her own web. As Priya, "she" also said, while writing to a woman, "... as a mother myself I know your feelings..." Why all this deceit and that too in the name of Lal Kitab? Don’t you have any qualms about it? To express his opinion and to spread the word, Prof Upadhyay would have earned a lot more respect had he started his own Lal Kitab blog. He didn't have to have a "spokesperson" in "Varun Trivedi" who, it seems, had nothing to do all day long except to wait for the great Gurujee to issue a farmaan or issue clarification or explanation – this chela knew everything! (Even now this "maanas chela" is explaining and writing and fielding questions even though the cat is out of the bag; thanks to Sh Ratan jee.) I know that I am not setting a good example for our new members and I know numerous seniors will be pained to read this. But I can't tolerate Prof Upadhyay continually and knowingly spreading lies and misinformation about Lal Kitab and Pt Rup Chand Jee. I have expressed to him in the past internet discussions and will do so again, that his methodology of dispensing Lal Kitab Remedies Forum is also patently WRONG. He never ever verifies the correctness of a horoscope - his remedial measures are as if they came from a ready reckoner that he has compiled. Per Mr. Finn Wandahl, a scholar of Vedic astrology from Denmark (and fortunately a good friend) “A horoscope is always incorrect unless verified.†[You have seen Emails from him from time to time. He was trained under some of the greatest astrologers of India including Prof B V Raman and he has spent numerous years studying Nadi and Bhrigu methods of astrology; currently Lal Kitab is his big passion. He is a one of Europe ’s premier professional astrologers. ] Mr. Wandahl is among the few who live by the golden rule of Lal Kitab - ‘VERIFY BEFORE YOU SPECIFY’.) Many of us, if we can't verify the correctness/ validity of a horoscope, refuse to go any further with it. We can't act like quacks who must inject something into a patient whether they are able to diagnose the problem or not. Prof Upadhyay has chosen to ignore this ethical responsibility. The prescriber of a (possibly wrong) remedial measure is committing a sin. In the end, I do pray to Almighty to put Prof Upadhyay on the right path. He is a learned person and should desist from such unbecoming activities. It really pains me to write such a long Email criticizing him but the truth has to be told and has to triumph. My apologies for such ramblings. Rajinder Bhatia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 16, 2008 Report Share Posted November 16, 2008 Dear Susan, Tell me one thing, if one is good does that means he is authorised to do any wrong thing? For your information, Adolf hitler was a strict vegetarian - but can the history will ever forgive him for what he did? Does one good quality of a person gives him a license to do many bad things? Your support for Bhushan Priya ji is commendable but It is called Muddayi Sust - Gawah chust. Do you also support his multiple ID scam? Why he always need yes-mans to pat his back all the time? No doubt that he is intelligent and wise, BUT why he needs so much Idsto prove himself right and others wrong? If the allegations are wrong why he is reluctanct to come forward and clear the things? lalkitab , SUSAN RANA <susan.tyson wrote: > > Namaskar Rajinder, >  > Re your email regarding Priya Ji. I also have been one of the people to meet this incredibly sincere and humble gentleman. It was in fact at the time of the conference in Delhi and i can confirm that he did attend this conference as a spectator.  >  > Having received remedies over a number of years through and from him, all have been explained in detail to me and i cannot stress how effective these remedies have been. Far from looking for disciples he refuses to allow people to call him or see him other than > another human being. He has helped many people tirelessly and ceaselessly, and you may say to him - get a life, his life is Lal Kitab and serving humanity. >  > I have been fortunate in this life, I believe i was the one who gave PB's phone number to Lalkitabee. When I come from the west on a number of occasions i have asked if there is anything he has needed - would like me to bring, but he refuses all favours. But has always been accessible to me by phone. Many people use alternative id's on the internet and i see nothing wrong in anything you throw at him. The only thing i find disturbing is that great scholars like yourself have to throw mud at people who are serving others. We all know his groups have been hacked on a number of occasions - with messages saying he is finishing with his work, he has had enough, i even remember one stating that he had been faking the whole id thing. when i saw this message i phoned him. He is a highly intelligent scholar, a kind gentleman who cares about others in distress, without every looking for gain of any sort. Many people I know have been helped an > supported by the remedies he has suggested. I am sad this email had to be written. But I would defend him until hell freezes over > with kind regards > Su > > > > > > --- On Fri, 14/11/08, Rajinder Bhatia <rajinderbhatia2002 wrote: > > Rajinder Bhatia <rajinderbhatia2002 > [lalkitab] A VERY SAD TOPIC....A lengthy Email > > Friday, 14 November, 2008, 3:49 AM > > > > > Friends, > With a heavy heart, I am writing the following. I have resisted this for many years but now that the cat is out of the bag, I want to bring out some facts. My apologies in advance, this is a lengthy Email and the subject matter is quite unpleasant.  >  >  Prof Suresh Upadhyay (PSU for short), is one the foremost scholars of Lal Kitab astrology. He retired as a professor of linguistics/ phonetics from a premier institute of India .  Pt Vipin Shukla (Lalkitabee) , who is very close to my family, has always spoken extremely highly of PSU's devotion to Lal Kitab. Let me state here that Pt Shukla is not easily impressed by anyone; so this is a great testimonial to Prof Upadhyay’s ability. Of all the people that I know, however, only three people have met PSU in person †" Pt Shukla and others being PSU's former students; one of them is a member of various Lal Kitab forums. Other than that, none of the Lal Kitab devotees that I know of has ever seen him as he refuses/avoids to meet anyone from any of the forums. So we have to depend on Pt Shukla’s testimonial. There is no question in my mind about PSU's deep study of Lal Kitab. He works tirelessly and provides remedial measures free of cost. Some of > these are Lal Kitab based, others are mostly folk remedies collected from here and there and many are questionable and controversial. Yet all these are being dispensed by him under the name of, Lal Kitab (as if these were solely Lal Kitab remedies.) To his credit, he is quite diligent about this service. That is one aspect of his personality †" a knowledgeable and compassionate person who perhaps spends his entire day being on the net, juggling between various roles concerning forum-related activities. >  > However, there is another aspect of PSU's personality, a very sad one, a painful subject to talk about but it has to be brought out to set the record straight. Right from the start of Lal Kitab , he has always operated with multiple user-ids; has always acted as “good-guy†via some user-ids and as “bad- guy†via others; has always employed stealth and surreptitious methods with the ultimate goal of gaining an upper hand over everyone else when it comes to any Lal Kitab discussion, thus boosting his ego. Prof Suresh Upadhyay is none other than Pt Madam Bhushan Priya (a self assumed name in which he, very surprisingly, introduced himself as a woman, a “mother†and a novice trying to learn Lal Kitab.) Within a couple of months, Prof Upadhyay disappeared from the then-forum and this “new†woman became a Lal Kitab “expert†so much so that s/he started his/her own Lal Kitab group on . With this came the “master > stroke††" he also started a Lal Kitab “Discussion Group†where he became the great Gurujee with numerous (imaginary) disciples studying Lal Kitab under his tutelage. These “disciples†were all fake user-ids manufactured by PSU as needed †" the number of such fake chelas is unknown. >  > In his forum, he has always been very careful to censor any dissenting opinion and delete Emails that question his tactics. In the process, many have been banned who were writing things that were inconvenient to PSU. Yet he unabashedly accepted mails from a few misguided and immature individuals who were openly taking pot shots at some others. Even Lal Kitab1941 (Gutka) transliterated by Sh Yograj was not spared. On the one hand PSU lauded the attempt and on the other hand, he let the same malicious people splash mud at the wonderful book and the people associated with it. Topics that were/are being discussed in AstroStudents forum were (and are) regularly hijacked to the great Gurujee’s forum; even irrelevant non-topics from some pea-brained individuals were published as long as they splashed mud at some particular individuals, yours truly included. PSU really stooped low! At times PSU acted extremely abrasive, while at others he acted as a naive > person with the express intent of be-fooling others. He has used circular logic, ignored the basic point of an inconvenient discussion and has never for once, conceded that he ever made a mistake. One example: Steel ring as a remedial measure suggested in Mercury 12 - through his illogical logic he has always maintained that the ring has to be open-ended and that is what he prescribes because once he has " pronounced " that, he won't rectify his mistake. This is despite the fact that I tried to correct him numerous times on this particular topic, sharing with one and all what Pt Rup Chand jee had to say about this remedial measure. He would have none of it †" he firmly believes that he knows more than the originator of the system! Many of us have known about PSU's strange behavior for a long time but never said a word about it. As a moderator at another Lal Kitab group, I used to receive emails about this " fake id " business quite > regularly but out of respect and decency towards a senior person and a former educator, I decided to reject/delete/ edit such mails. It does not matter, if that is how he gets his kicks - let it be. But repeatedly, he has crossed the limit of what is tolerable. On all possible occasions, he has, through his various fake ids, tried to blow the trumpet of Pt Krishan Ashant's blatant lies about Pt Rup Chand jee and as recently as a few weeks ago, he called Pt Jee a mere " scribe. " I state very emphatically that this is crude, mean, low-class and vulgar †" these are the politest words I can use. (When I say 'he' I mean one of his user-ids, his creation, his make-believe world.) Not only that, he even gloated in the recent past that there is no material ever written by Pt Rup Chand jee post-1952 that is in his son's (Pt Som Dutt jee’s) or anyone else’s possession and that if there is any such Lal Kitab related material, it must be " brought to > Aligarh " “for authentication.†Come on Prof Upadhyay, get real and get off your imaginary high horse. Your " virtual disciples " and the vaporous " Aligarh Group†will decide the authenticity of Lal Kitab? Get a life! Many seniors have laughed at this suggestion while others have pitied the so- called Aligarh Group’s " intellect. "  >   > Although a scholar, PSU has been displaying a severe psychological aberration. He wants to be known and recognized as the high priest of Lal Kitab and lives in a fantasy world where he visualizes himself sitting at a high pedestal with numerous of his disciples standing around with bowed heads and folded hands, awaiting the words of wisdom - " The Oracle has spake. " Why did he have to " change " his persona into a woman, Pt Bhushan Priya, who by " her " own admission, (also) taught at IIT, and had the same credentials as Prof Upadhyay, “She†went to a conference at IIT, Kharagpur as advertised in “her†“Discussion Group†(Little known to " her " that we have a copy of the names of invited guests and those who attended †" “Priya†was NOT one of them, Prof Upadhyay was.) A liar always gets caught in his/her own web. As Priya, " she " also said, while writing to a woman, " ... as a mother myself I know your feelings... " Why all this deceit and > that too in the name of Lal Kitab? Don’t you have any qualms about it? >  > To express his opinion and to spread the word, Prof Upadhyay would have earned a lot more respect had he started his own Lal Kitab blog. He didn't have to have a " spokesperson " in " Varun Trivedi " who, it seems, had nothing to do all day long except to wait for the great Gurujee to issue a farmaan or issue clarification or explanation †" this chela knew everything! (Even now this " maanas chela " is explaining and writing and fielding questions even though the cat is out of the bag; thanks to Sh Ratan jee.)  >  > I know that I am not setting a good example for our new members and I know numerous seniors will be pained to read this. But I can't tolerate Prof Upadhyay continually and knowingly spreading lies and misinformation about Lal Kitab and Pt Rup Chand Jee. I have expressed to him in the past internet discussions and will do so again, that his methodology of dispensing Lal Kitab Remedies Forum is also patently WRONG. He never ever verifies the correctness of a horoscope - his remedial measures are as if they came from a ready reckoner that he has compiled. Per Mr. Finn Wandahl, a scholar of Vedic astrology from Denmark (and fortunately a good friend) “A horoscope is always incorrect unless verified.â€Â [You have seen Emails from him from time to time. He was trained under some of the greatest astrologers of India including Prof B V Raman and he has spent numerous years studying Nadi and Bhrigu methods of astrology; currently Lal Kitab is his big > passion. He is a one of Europe ’s premier professional astrologers. ] Mr. Wandahl > is among the few who live by the golden rule of Lal Kitab - ‘VERIFY BEFORE YOU SPECIFY’.) Many of us, if we can't verify the correctness/ validity of a horoscope, refuse to go any further with it. We can't act like quacks who must inject something into a patient whether they are able to diagnose the problem or not. Prof Upadhyay has chosen to ignore this ethical responsibility. The prescriber of a (possibly wrong) remedial measure is committing a sin. >   > In the end, I do pray to Almighty to put Prof Upadhyay on the right path. He is a learned person and should desist from such unbecoming activities. It really pains me to write such a long Email criticizing him but the truth has to be told and has to triumph. >  > My apologies for such ramblings. >  > Rajinder Bhatia > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 18, 2008 Report Share Posted November 18, 2008 Hello Rajinder ji, Shocking and thanks for the update. Good I got your email id actually i knew you when I had a id but lost that due to some mistake of mine. Thanks & Regards, Prashant Pokarna On Fri, Nov 14, 2008 at 9:19 AM, Rajinder Bhatia <rajinderbhatia2002 wrote: Friends, With a heavy heart, I am writing the following. I have resisted this for many years but now that the cat is out of the bag, I want to bring out some facts. My apologies in advance, this is a lengthy Email and the subject matter is quite unpleasant. Prof Suresh Upadhyay (PSU for short), is one the foremost scholars of Lal Kitab astrology. He retired as a professor of linguistics/phonetics from a premier institute of India. Pt Vipin Shukla (Lalkitabee), who is very close to my family, has always spoken extremely highly of PSU's devotion to Lal Kitab. Let me state here that Pt Shukla is not easily impressed by anyone; so this is a great testimonial to Prof Upadhyay's ability. Of all the people that I know, however, only three people have met PSU in person – Pt Shukla and others being PSU's former students; one of them is a member of various Lal Kitab forums. Other than that, none of the Lal Kitab devotees that I know of has ever seen him as he refuses/avoids to meet anyone from any of the forums. So we have to depend on Pt Shukla's testimonial. There is no question in my mind about PSU's deep study of Lal Kitab. He works tirelessly and provides remedial measures free of cost. Some of these are Lal Kitab based, others are mostly folk remedies collected from here and there and many are questionable and controversial. Yet all these are being dispensed by him under the name of, Lal Kitab (as if these were solely Lal Kitab remedies.) To his credit, he is quite diligent about this service. That is one aspect of his personality – a knowledgeable and compassionate person who perhaps spends his entire day being on the net, juggling between various roles concerning forum-related activities. However, there is another aspect of PSU's personality, a very sad one, a painful subject to talk about but it has to be brought out to set the record straight. Right from the start of Lal Kitab , he has always operated with multiple user-ids; has always acted as "good-guy" via some user-ids and as "bad-guy" via others; has always employed stealth and surreptitious methods with the ultimate goal of gaining an upper hand over everyone else when it comes to any Lal Kitab discussion, thus boosting his ego. Prof Suresh Upadhyay is none other than Pt Madam Bhushan Priya (a self assumed name in which he, very surprisingly, introduced himself as a woman, a "mother" and a novice trying to learn Lal Kitab.) Within a couple of months, Prof Upadhyay disappeared from the then-forum and this "new" woman became a Lal Kitab "expert" so much so that s/he started his/her own Lal Kitab group on . With this came the "master stroke" – he also started a Lal Kitab "Discussion Group" where he became the great Gurujee with numerous (imaginary) disciples studying Lal Kitab under his tutelage. These "disciples" were all fake user-ids manufactured by PSU as needed – the number of such fake chelas is unknown. In his forum, he has always been very careful to censor any dissenting opinion and delete Emails that question his tactics. In the process, many have been banned who were writing things that were inconvenient to PSU. Yet he unabashedly accepted mails from a few misguided and immature individuals who were openly taking pot shots at some others. Even Lal Kitab1941 (Gutka) transliterated by Sh Yograj was not spared. On the one hand PSU lauded the attempt and on the other hand, he let the same malicious people splash mud at the wonderful book and the people associated with it. Topics that were/are being discussed in AstroStudents forum were (and are) regularly hijacked to the great Gurujee's forum; even irrelevant non-topics from some pea-brained individuals were published as long as they splashed mud at some particular individuals, yours truly included. PSU really stooped low! At times PSU acted extremely abrasive, while at others he acted as a naive person with the express intent of be-fooling others. He has used circular logic, ignored the basic point of an inconvenient discussion and has never for once, conceded that he ever made a mistake. One example: Steel ring as a remedial measure suggested in Mercury 12 - through his illogical logic he has always maintained that the ring has to be open-ended and that is what he prescribes because once he has " pronounced " that, he won't rectify his mistake. This is despite the fact that I tried to correct him numerous times on this particular topic, sharing with one and all what Pt Rup Chand jee had to say about this remedial measure. He would have none of it – he firmly believes that he knows more than the originator of the system! Many of us have known about PSU's strange behavior for a long time but never said a word about it. As a moderator at another Lal Kitab group, I used to receive emails about this " fake id " business quite regularly but out of respect and decency towards a senior person and a former educator, I decided to reject/delete/edit such mails. It does not matter, if that is how he gets his kicks - let it be. But repeatedly, he has crossed the limit of what is tolerable. On all possible occasions, he has, through his various fake ids, tried to blow the trumpet of Pt Krishan Ashant's blatant lies about Pt Rup Chand jee and as recently as a few weeks ago, he called Pt Jee a mere " scribe. " I state very emphatically that this is crude, mean, low-class and vulgar – these are the politest words I can use. (When I say 'he' I mean one of his user-ids, his creation, his make-believe world.) Not only that, he even gloated in the recent past that there is no material ever written by Pt Rup Chand jee post-1952 that is in his son's (Pt Som Dutt jee's) or anyone else's possession and that if there is any such Lal Kitab related material, it must be " brought to Aligarh " "for authentication." Come on Prof Upadhyay, get real and get off your imaginary high horse. Your " virtual disciples " and the vaporous " Aligarh Group" will decide the authenticity of Lal Kitab? Get a life! Many seniors have laughed at this suggestion while others have pitied the so-called Aligarh Group's " intellect. " Although a scholar, PSU has been displaying a severe psychological aberration. He wants to be known and recognized as the high priest of Lal Kitab and lives in a fantasy world where he visualizes himself sitting at a high pedestal with numerous of his disciples standing around with bowed heads and folded hands, awaiting the words of wisdom - " The Oracle has spake. " Why did he have to " change " his persona into a woman, Pt Bhushan Priya, who by " her " own admission, (also) taught at IIT, and had the same credentials as Prof Upadhyay, "She" went to a conference at IIT, Kharagpur as advertised in "herDiscussion Group" (Little known to " her " that we have a copy of the names of invited guests and those who attended – "Priya" was NOT one of them, Prof Upadhyay was.) A liar always gets caught in his/her own web. As Priya, " she " also said, while writing to a woman, " ... as a mother myself I know your feelings... " Why all this deceit and that too in the name of Lal Kitab? Don't you have any qualms about it? To express his opinion and to spread the word, Prof Upadhyay would have earned a lot more respect had he started his own Lal Kitab blog. He didn't have to have a " spokesperson " in " Varun Trivedi " who, it seems, had nothing to do all day long except to wait for the great Gurujee to issue a farmaan or issue clarification or explanation – this chela knew everything! (Even now this " maanas chela " is explaining and writing and fielding questions even though the cat is out of the bag; thanks to Sh Ratan jee.) I know that I am not setting a good example for our new members and I know numerous seniors will be pained to read this. But I can't tolerate Prof Upadhyay continually and knowingly spreading lies and misinformation about Lal Kitab and Pt Rup Chand Jee. I have expressed to him in the past internet discussions and will do so again, that his methodology of dispensing Lal Kitab Remedies Forum is also patently WRONG. He never ever verifies the correctness of a horoscope - his remedial measures are as if they came from a ready reckoner that he has compiled. Per Mr. Finn Wandahl, a scholar of Vedic astrology from Denmark (and fortunately a good friend) "A horoscope is always incorrect unless verified." [You have seen Emails from him from time to time. He was trained under some of the greatest astrologers of India including Prof B V Raman and he has spent numerous years studying Nadi and Bhrigu methods of astrology; currently Lal Kitab is his big passion. He is a one of Europe's premier professional astrologers.] Mr. Wandahl is among the few who live by the golden rule of Lal Kitab - 'VERIFY BEFORE YOU SPECIFY'.) Many of us, if we can't verify the correctness/validity of a horoscope, refuse to go any further with it. We can't act like quacks who must inject something into a patient whether they are able to diagnose the problem or not. Prof Upadhyay has chosen to ignore this ethical responsibility. The prescriber of a (possibly wrong) remedial measure is committing a sin. In the end, I do pray to Almighty to put Prof Upadhyay on the right path. He is a learned person and should desist from such unbecoming activities. It really pains me to write such a long Email criticizing him but the truth has to be told and has to triumph. My apologies for such ramblings. Rajinder Bhatia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 22, 2008 Report Share Posted November 22, 2008 Dear Susan, Kindly re-read my Email. I hold mostly the same opinion about the person I call Prof Upadhyay and you call Bhooshan Priya. However, you are contradicting yourself by calling " her " a " him. " " Bhooshan Priya " ,by her own admission is '...A woman... a mother.. " You can go into the LalKitab forum (owned by Mr. Pandey) to read it all yourself. Many people like to write under a pseudonym -- that is not the issue here. The issue is the assumption of literally, scores of multiple Email-ids and through those, malign the name of the originator of Lal Kitab and at the same time commit multiple acts of mischief. That is untenable and incapable of being defended whether " hell freezes " or the North Pole becomes as hot as Aligarh in the month of June. I am sorry Susan, the truth can't be skirted and relegated into insignificance. Respectfully, Rajinder Bhatia lalkitab , SUSAN RANA <susan.tyson wrote: > > Namaskar Rajinder, >  > Re your email regarding Priya Ji. I also have been one of the people to meet this incredibly sincere and humble gentleman. It was in fact at the time of the conference in Delhi and i can confirm that he did attend this conference as a spectator.  >  > Having received remedies over a number of years through and from him, all have been explained in detail to me and i cannot stress how effective these remedies have been. Far from looking for disciples he refuses to allow people to call him or see him other than > another human being. He has helped many people tirelessly and ceaselessly, and you may say to him - get a life, his life is Lal Kitab and serving humanity. >  > I have been fortunate in this life, I believe i was the one who gave PB's phone number to Lalkitabee. When I come from the west on a number of occasions i have asked if there is anything he has needed - would like me to bring, but he refuses all favours. But has always been accessible to me by phone. Many people use alternative id's on the internet and i see nothing wrong in anything you throw at him. The only thing i find disturbing is that great scholars like yourself have to throw mud at people who are serving others. We all know his groups have been hacked on a number of occasions - with messages saying he is finishing with his work, he has had enough, i even remember one stating that he had been faking the whole id thing. when i saw this message i phoned him. He is a highly intelligent scholar, a kind gentleman who cares about others in distress, without every looking for gain of any sort. Many people I know have been helped an > supported by the remedies he has suggested. I am sad this email had to be written. But I would defend him until hell freezes over > with kind regards > Su > > > > > > --- On Fri, 14/11/08, Rajinder Bhatia <rajinderbhatia2002 wrote: > > Rajinder Bhatia <rajinderbhatia2002 > [lalkitab] A VERY SAD TOPIC....A lengthy Email > > Friday, 14 November, 2008, 3:49 AM > > > > > Friends, > With a heavy heart, I am writing the following. I have resisted this for many years but now that the cat is out of the bag, I want to bring out some facts. My apologies in advance, this is a lengthy Email and the subject matter is quite unpleasant.  >  >  Prof Suresh Upadhyay (PSU for short), is one the foremost scholars of Lal Kitab astrology. He retired as a professor of linguistics/ phonetics from a premier institute of India .  Pt Vipin Shukla (Lalkitabee) , who is very close to my family, has always spoken extremely highly of PSU's devotion to Lal Kitab. Let me state here that Pt Shukla is not easily impressed by anyone; so this is a great testimonial to Prof Upadhyay’s ability. Of all the people that I know, however, only three people have met PSU in person †" Pt Shukla and others being PSU's former students; one of them is a member of various Lal Kitab forums. Other than that, none of the Lal Kitab devotees that I know of has ever seen him as he refuses/avoids to meet anyone from any of the forums. So we have to depend on Pt Shukla’s testimonial. There is no question in my mind about PSU's deep study of Lal Kitab. He works tirelessly and provides remedial measures free of cost. Some of > these are Lal Kitab based, others are mostly folk remedies collected from here and there and many are questionable and controversial. Yet all these are being dispensed by him under the name of, Lal Kitab (as if these were solely Lal Kitab remedies.) To his credit, he is quite diligent about this service. That is one aspect of his personality †" a knowledgeable and compassionate person who perhaps spends his entire day being on the net, juggling between various roles concerning forum-related activities. >  > However, there is another aspect of PSU's personality, a very sad one, a painful subject to talk about but it has to be brought out to set the record straight. Right from the start of Lal Kitab groups, he has always operated with multiple user-ids; has always acted as “good-guy†via some user-ids and as “bad-guy†via others; has always employed stealth and surreptitious methods with the ultimate goal of gaining an upper hand over everyone else when it comes to any Lal Kitab discussion, thus boosting his ego. Prof Suresh Upadhyay is none other than Pt Madam Bhushan Priya (a self assumed name in which he, very surprisingly, introduced himself as a woman, a “mother†and a novice trying to learn Lal Kitab.) Within a couple of months, Prof Upadhyay disappeared from the then- forum and this “new†woman became a Lal Kitab “expert†so much so that s/he started his/her own Lal Kitab group on . With this came the “master > stroke††" he also started a Lal Kitab “Discussion Group†where he became the great Gurujee with numerous (imaginary) disciples studying Lal Kitab under his tutelage. These “disciples†were all fake user-ids manufactured by PSU as needed †" the number of such fake chelas is unknown. >  > In his forum, he has always been very careful to censor any dissenting opinion and delete Emails that question his tactics. In the process, many have been banned who were writing things that were inconvenient to PSU. Yet he unabashedly accepted mails from a few misguided and immature individuals who were openly taking pot shots at some others. Even Lal Kitab1941 (Gutka) transliterated by Sh Yograj was not spared. On the one hand PSU lauded the attempt and on the other hand, he let the same malicious people splash mud at the wonderful book and the people associated with it. Topics that were/are being discussed in AstroStudents forum were (and are) regularly hijacked to the great Gurujee’s forum; even irrelevant non-topics from some pea-brained individuals were published as long as they splashed mud at some particular individuals, yours truly included. PSU really stooped low! At times PSU acted extremely abrasive, while at others he acted as a naive > person with the express intent of be-fooling others. He has used circular logic, ignored the basic point of an inconvenient discussion and has never for once, conceded that he ever made a mistake. One example: Steel ring as a remedial measure suggested in Mercury 12 - through his illogical logic he has always maintained that the ring has to be open-ended and that is what he prescribes because once he has " pronounced " that, he won't rectify his mistake. This is despite the fact that I tried to correct him numerous times on this particular topic, sharing with one and all what Pt Rup Chand jee had to say about this remedial measure. He would have none of it †" he firmly believes that he knows more than the originator of the system! Many of us have known about PSU's strange behavior for a long time but never said a word about it. As a moderator at another Lal Kitab group, I used to receive emails about this " fake id " business quite > regularly but out of respect and decency towards a senior person and a former educator, I decided to reject/delete/ edit such mails. It does not matter, if that is how he gets his kicks - let it be. But repeatedly, he has crossed the limit of what is tolerable. On all possible occasions, he has, through his various fake ids, tried to blow the trumpet of Pt Krishan Ashant's blatant lies about Pt Rup Chand jee and as recently as a few weeks ago, he called Pt Jee a mere " scribe. " I state very emphatically that this is crude, mean, low-class and vulgar †" these are the politest words I can use. (When I say 'he' I mean one of his user-ids, his creation, his make- believe world.) Not only that, he even gloated in the recent past that there is no material ever written by Pt Rup Chand jee post-1952 that is in his son's (Pt Som Dutt jee’s) or anyone else’s possession and that if there is any such Lal Kitab related material, it must be " brought to > Aligarh " “for authentication.†Come on Prof Upadhyay, get real and get off your imaginary high horse. Your " virtual disciples " and the vaporous " Aligarh Group†will decide the authenticity of Lal Kitab? Get a life! Many seniors have laughed at this suggestion while others have pitied the so-called Aligarh Group’s " intellect. "  >   > Although a scholar, PSU has been displaying a severe psychological aberration. He wants to be known and recognized as the high priest of Lal Kitab and lives in a fantasy world where he visualizes himself sitting at a high pedestal with numerous of his disciples standing around with bowed heads and folded hands, awaiting the words of wisdom - " The Oracle has spake. " Why did he have to " change " his persona into a woman, Pt Bhushan Priya, who by " her " own admission, (also) taught at IIT, and had the same credentials as Prof Upadhyay, “She†went to a conference at IIT, Kharagpur as advertised in “her†“Discussion Group†(Little known to " her " that we have a copy of the names of invited guests and those who attended †" “Priya†was NOT one of them, Prof Upadhyay was.) A liar always gets caught in his/her own web. As Priya, " she " also said, while writing to a woman, " ... as a mother myself I know your feelings... " Why all this deceit and > that too in the name of Lal Kitab? Don’t you have any qualms about it? >  > To express his opinion and to spread the word, Prof Upadhyay would have earned a lot more respect had he started his own Lal Kitab blog. He didn't have to have a " spokesperson " in " Varun Trivedi " who, it seems, had nothing to do all day long except to wait for the great Gurujee to issue a farmaan or issue clarification or explanation †" this chela knew everything! (Even now this " maanas chela " is explaining and writing and fielding questions even though the cat is out of the bag; thanks to Sh Ratan jee.)  >  > I know that I am not setting a good example for our new members and I know numerous seniors will be pained to read this. But I can't tolerate Prof Upadhyay continually and knowingly spreading lies and misinformation about Lal Kitab and Pt Rup Chand Jee. I have expressed to him in the past internet discussions and will do so again, that his methodology of dispensing Lal Kitab Remedies Forum is also patently WRONG. He never ever verifies the correctness of a horoscope - his remedial measures are as if they came from a ready reckoner that he has compiled. Per Mr. Finn Wandahl, a scholar of Vedic astrology from Denmark (and fortunately a good friend) “A horoscope is always incorrect unless verified.â€Â [You have seen Emails from him from time to time. He was trained under some of the greatest astrologers of India including Prof B V Raman and he has spent numerous years studying Nadi and Bhrigu methods of astrology; currently Lal Kitab is his big > passion. He is a one of Europe ’s premier professional astrologers. ] Mr. Wandahl > is among the few who live by the golden rule of Lal Kitab - ‘VERIFY BEFORE YOU SPECIFY’.) Many of us, if we can't verify the correctness/ validity of a horoscope, refuse to go any further with it. We can't act like quacks who must inject something into a patient whether they are able to diagnose the problem or not. Prof Upadhyay has chosen to ignore this ethical responsibility. The prescriber of a (possibly wrong) remedial measure is committing a sin. >   > In the end, I do pray to Almighty to put Prof Upadhyay on the right path. He is a learned person and should desist from such unbecoming activities. It really pains me to write such a long Email criticizing him but the truth has to be told and has to triumph. >  > My apologies for such ramblings. >  > Rajinder Bhatia > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 25, 2008 Report Share Posted November 25, 2008 Respected Bhatia Sahib, The game you have mentioned is not a new one for me, many people knew it for a long long time. It was September 18th, 2004 when one of the senior most Lal Kitab scholar Pt. Umesh Sharma ji organized a Seminar on Lal Kitab at New Delhi In which Prof Upadhaye too participated incognito. The very next morning two messages appeared expressing views regarding the above-mentioned seminar on the internet. One was from Madam Bhushan Priya and another was from Mr. Bhuvan Vashishta. I along with Kulbir Singh Bains was at Pt. Umesh Sharma's residence at that time. Previously, we used to exchange mails with Bhuvan Vashishta, so we requested him to attend the seminar and meet us. We were all taken aback as to why Bhuvan Vashishta preferred to remain hidden. We watched the video clippings of the program again and again to find out who actually Mr. Bhuvan Vashishta and Madam Bhushan Priya were. We checked each female who attended the function but could not find " her " (because by then we all knew " him " as " her). We checked each one of the young men who attended the seminar, but were unable to find any Bhuvan Vashishta among the participants. But we could smell the rat and suspected that some hanky-panky was certainly going on. Actually, no person with those names ever participated in the function. Anyways,the information about this Bhuvan Vashishta's ID was conveyed to our senior most American Indian scholar by PSU's one bespectacled Lieutenant many years ago. And years later,one of our Canadian forum members forwarded me a mail of a lady who addressed PSU by his actual male name clearing any doubt whatsoever about his tactics. A few years back he also entered our group on a conjured name and tried to disrupt the proceedings with his clumsy and half baked rationales. He even provided a wrong telephone number. Once we tried to inquired about his actual identity, he not only provided the wrong contact numbers but later he simply ran away. He started his own group after a few days of leaving our forum. His real game started from there only. He made more than 2 dozen fake IDs and started fooling the innocent LK followers. He never forget to announce the Bithday of his group and never forget to boast about the " achievements " . I know dozens of groups Having members in thousands but they never used such gauche methods. What a way to " achieve " , KHUD HI GURU - KHUD HI CHELA? I wonder how many genuine (real) people actually are there in his group? He is trying to prove himself as the GRAND-MASTER of Lal Kitab, I have no objection to that. But what are his credentials? He tells all the remedies from one Dalda book by Late BD Dhanwantri. But surprisingly, this book never appeared in his list of " suggested readings list " for the new comers? Why? Is he afraid that his reality will be known to others? Discuss any remedy with him privately, he will instantly announce through his CHELAS (fake IDs) that this remedy was the creation of our GURU JI. I can provide proofs of this claim, if required. He is trying to project himself as the " greatest " Lal kitabist ever born, he even named his groups in the name of Lal Kitab. But I never saw him doing the Tewa Darustee, he says that he is using the Chalit/bhav Spashat chart instead. 'Tewa Darustee' and 'Ilm Qyafa' are the two most important ingredients in Lal kitab astrology, but he never cared about these aspects. Perhaps no one ever taught him these points. Most of the veteran LK astrologers especially Shri Umesh sharma ji, your good-self, MS Kondal, Finn Wandahl and Rajiv Khattar never proceed further without a proper darustee of a chart. And to his credit, Shri Umesh Sharma ji is far FAR ahead of everyone in this matter. He even accused me and your good-self of using fake ID's. When Mr. MS Kondal joined Punit's group and start writing, he spread the rumour that MS Kondal is nothing but Prabhakar's shadow handle. About one year back, he also cried foul when I analysed a chart of a female and the native replied to almost all of my questions in affirmative I asked from her for Tewa Darustee purpose. But when I I told about 500 Pound Sterling Demand draft sent by her to me to one of his " then " close associates, he was clueless as to what he should do now. I know that he raised such issues only to hide his own mischief. He will not desist from such misadventures in the future also because old habits die hard. His other prominent habit is to hijack the subject matter of other forums. Perhaps he is unable to conceive any original thoughts in his old age. Since we are discussing Dharmi Tewa - he did not waste a moment to grab it, this time his latest Avtar Narendra Juneja did this. He is doing this not to add somethinbg positive in it, but to prove that everybody else is a fool and only he is the wisest man on this planet. He is trying his level best to prove wrong whatever has been said about Dharmi Tewa, and his each fake Id is burning their mid-night oil in the process. But those old school followers who are associated with Lal Kitab by heart and soul will never listen to him, yes a few innocent new comers might be misguided by them - but for how long? His one point agenda is to prove all Old school followers wrong. I have no objection if it is limited to the individuals only, but in the backdrop he is trying to defame Pundit Roop Chand Joshi and Lal Kitab. One of his shadows (Satpal Khurana) even raised questions on the very authorship of Lal Kitab in another astro forum, No true follower of Lal Kitab can ever tolerate this type of nonsense. I suffered a brutal onslaught from him when his shadow Id's criticized my book (LK-1941 Transliterated) in the cheapest possible ways under a well planned strategy. He also declared that time that he was trying to " show me the mirror " . I saw myself in that mirror carefully - I was very much present there, nice and stronger than ever, because I was a real entity not a shadow. But I know that he will not be able to see more than a big dark spot while seeing " our mirror " . I have not used words like " with heavy heart " purposely as your good-self has used in your post, because I am a fearless guy and have no regret over whatever I have expressed. Respectfully Yograj Prabhakar , Rajinder Bhatia <rajinderbhatia2002 wrote: > > Friends, > With a heavy heart, I am writing the following. I have resisted this for many years but now that the cat is out of the bag, I want to bring out some facts. My apologies in advance, this is a lengthy Email and the subject matter is quite unpleasant. > > Prof Suresh Upadhyay (PSU for short), is one the foremost scholars of Lal Kitab astrology. He retired as a professor of linguistics/phonetics from a premier institute of India. Pt Vipin Shukla (Lalkitabee), who is very close to my family, has always spoken extremely highly of PSU's devotion to Lal Kitab. Let me state here that Pt Shukla is not easily impressed by anyone; so this is a great testimonial to Prof Upadhyay's ability. Of all the people that I know, however, only three people have met PSU in person – Pt Shukla and others being PSU's former students; one of them is a member of various Lal Kitab forums. Other than that, none of the Lal Kitab devotees that I know of has ever seen him as he refuses/avoids to meet anyone from any of the forums. So we have to depend on Pt Shukla's testimonial. There is no question in my mind about PSU's deep study of Lal Kitab. He works tirelessly and provides remedial measures free of cost. Some of > these are Lal Kitab based, others are mostly folk remedies collected from here and there and many are questionable and controversial. Yet all these are being dispensed by him under the name of, Lal Kitab (as if these were solely Lal Kitab remedies.) To his credit, he is quite diligent about this service. That is one aspect of his personality – a knowledgeable and compassionate person who perhaps spends his entire day being on the net, juggling between various roles concerning forum-related activities. > > However, there is another aspect of PSU's personality, a very sad one, a painful subject to talk about but it has to be brought out to set the record straight. Right from the start of Lal Kitab groups, he has always operated with multiple user-ids; has always acted as " good-guy " via some user-ids and as " bad-guy " via others; has always employed stealth and surreptitious methods with the ultimate goal of gaining an upper hand over everyone else when it comes to any Lal Kitab discussion, thus boosting his ego. Prof Suresh Upadhyay is none other than Pt Madam Bhushan Priya (a self assumed name in which he, very surprisingly, introduced himself as a woman, a " mother " and a novice trying to learn Lal Kitab.) Within a couple of months, Prof Upadhyay disappeared from the then-forum and this " new " woman became a Lal Kitab " expert " so much so that s/he started his/her own Lal Kitab group on . With this came the " master > stroke " – he also started a Lal Kitab " Discussion Group " where he became the great Gurujee with numerous (imaginary) disciples studying Lal Kitab under his tutelage. These " disciples " were all fake user-ids manufactured by PSU as needed – the number of such fake chelas is unknown. > > In his forum, he has always been very careful to censor any dissenting opinion and delete Emails that question his tactics. In the process, many have been banned who were writing things that were inconvenient to PSU. Yet he unabashedly accepted mails from a few misguided and immature individuals who were openly taking pot shots at some others. Even Lal Kitab1941 (Gutka) transliterated by Sh Yograj was not spared. On the one hand PSU lauded the attempt and on the other hand, he let the same malicious people splash mud at the wonderful book and the people associated with it. Topics that were/are being discussed in AstroStudents forum were (and are) regularly hijacked to the great Gurujee's forum; even irrelevant non-topics from some pea-brained individuals were published as long as they splashed mud at some particular individuals, yours truly included. PSU really stooped low! At times PSU acted extremely abrasive, while at others he acted as a naive > person with the express intent of be-fooling others. He has used circular logic, ignored the basic point of an inconvenient discussion and has never for once, conceded that he ever made a mistake. One example: Steel ring as a remedial measure suggested in Mercury 12 - through his illogical logic he has always maintained that the ring has to be open-ended and that is what he prescribes because once he has " pronounced " that, he won't rectify his mistake. This is despite the fact that I tried to correct him numerous times on this particular topic, sharing with one and all what Pt Rup Chand jee had to say about this remedial measure. He would have none of it – he firmly believes that he knows more than the originator of the system! Many of us have known about PSU's strange behavior for a long time but never said a word about it. As a moderator at another Lal Kitab group, I used to receive emails about this " fake id " business quite > regularly but out of respect and decency towards a senior person and a former educator, I decided to reject/delete/edit such mails. It does not matter, if that is how he gets his kicks - let it be. But repeatedly, he has crossed the limit of what is tolerable. On all possible occasions, he has, through his various fake ids, tried to blow the trumpet of Pt Krishan Ashant's blatant lies about Pt Rup Chand jee and as recently as a few weeks ago, he called Pt Jee a mere " scribe. " I state very emphatically that this is crude, mean, low-class and vulgar – these are the politest words I can use. (When I say 'he' I mean one of his user-ids, his creation, his make-believe world.) Not only that, he even gloated in the recent past that there is no material ever written by Pt Rup Chand jee post-1952 that is in his son's (Pt Som Dutt jee's) or anyone else's possession and that if there is any such Lal Kitab related material, it must be " brought to > Aligarh " " for authentication. " Come on Prof Upadhyay, get real and get off your imaginary high horse. Your " virtual disciples " and the vaporous " Aligarh Group " will decide the authenticity of Lal Kitab? Get a life! Many seniors have laughed at this suggestion while others have pitied the so-called Aligarh Group's " intellect. " > > Although a scholar, PSU has been displaying a severe psychological aberration. He wants to be known and recognized as the high priest of Lal Kitab and lives in a fantasy world where he visualizes himself sitting at a high pedestal with numerous of his disciples standing around with bowed heads and folded hands, awaiting the words of wisdom - " The Oracle has spake. " Why did he have to " change " his persona into a woman, Pt Bhushan Priya, who by " her " own admission, (also) taught at IIT, and had the same credentials as Prof Upadhyay, " She " went to a conference at IIT, Kharagpur as advertised in " her " " Discussion Group " (Little known to " her " that we have a copy of the names of invited guests and those who attended – " Priya " was NOT one of them, Prof Upadhyay was.) A liar always gets caught in his/her own web. As Priya, " she " also said, while writing to a woman, " ... as a mother myself I know your feelings... " Why all this deceit and > that too in the name of Lal Kitab? Don't you have any qualms about it? > > To express his opinion and to spread the word, Prof Upadhyay would have earned a lot more respect had he started his own Lal Kitab blog. He didn't have to have a " spokesperson " in " Varun Trivedi " who, it seems, had nothing to do all day long except to wait for the great Gurujee to issue a farmaan or issue clarification or explanation – this chela knew everything! (Even now this " maanas chela " is explaining and writing and fielding questions even though the cat is out of the bag; thanks to Sh Ratan jee.) > > I know that I am not setting a good example for our new members and I know numerous seniors will be pained to read this. But I can't tolerate Prof Upadhyay continually and knowingly spreading lies and misinformation about Lal Kitab and Pt Rup Chand Jee. I have expressed to him in the past internet discussions and will do so again, that his methodology of dispensing Lal Kitab Remedies Forum is also patently WRONG. He never ever verifies the correctness of a horoscope - his remedial measures are as if they came from a ready reckoner that he has compiled. Per Mr. Finn Wandahl, a scholar of Vedic astrology from Denmark (and fortunately a good friend) " A horoscope is always incorrect unless verified. " [You have seen Emails from him from time to time. He was trained under some of the greatest astrologers of India including Prof B V Raman and he has spent numerous years studying Nadi and Bhrigu methods of astrology; currently Lal Kitab is his big > passion. He is a one of Europe's premier professional astrologers.] Mr. Wandahl > is among the few who live by the golden rule of Lal Kitab - `VERIFY BEFORE YOU SPECIFY'.) Many of us, if we can't verify the correctness/validity of a horoscope, refuse to go any further with it. We can't act like quacks who must inject something into a patient whether they are able to diagnose the problem or not. Prof Upadhyay has chosen to ignore this ethical responsibility. The prescriber of a (possibly wrong) remedial measure is committing a sin. > > In the end, I do pray to Almighty to put Prof Upadhyay on the right path. He is a learned person and should desist from such unbecoming activities. It really pains me to write such a long Email criticizing him but the truth has to be told and has to triumph. > > My apologies for such ramblings. > > Rajinder Bhatia > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 25, 2008 Report Share Posted November 25, 2008 Respected Bhatia Sahib, The game you have mentioned is not a new one for me, many people knew it for a long long time. It was September 18th, 2004 when one of the senior most Lal Kitab scholar Pt. Umesh Sharma ji organized a Seminar on Lal Kitab at New Delhi In which Prof Upadhaye too participated incognito. The very next morning two messages appeared expressing views regarding the above-mentioned seminar on internet. One was from Madam Bhushan Priya and another was from Mr. Bhuvan Vashishta. I along with Kulbir Singh Bains was at Pt. Umesh Sharma's residence at that time. Previously we used to exchange mails with Bhuvan Vashishta, so we requested him to attend the seminar and meet us. We were all taken aback as to why Bhuvan Vashishta preferred to remain hidden. We watched the video clippings of the program again and again to find out who actually Mr. Bhuvan Vashishta and Madam Bhushan Priya were. We checked each female who attended the function but could not find " her " (because by then we all knew " him " as " her). We checked each of the young man attended the seminar, but were unable to find any Bhuvan Vashishta among the participants. But we could smell the rat and suspected that some hanky-panky was certainly going on. Actually, no person with those name ever participated in the function. Anyways,the information about this Bhuvan Vashishta's ID was conveyed to our senior most American Indian scholar by PSU's one bespectacled Lieutenant many years ago. And years later,one of our Canadian forum members forwarded me a mail of a lady who addressed PSU by his actual male name clearing any doubt what soever about his tactics. A few years back he also entered our group on a conjured name and tried to disrupt the proceedings with his clumsy and half baked rationales. He even provided a wrong telephone number. once we tried to inquired about his actual identity, he not only provided the wrong contact numbers but later he simple ran away. He started his own group after a few days of leaving our forum. His real game started from there only. He made More than 2 dozen fake IDs and started fooling the innocent LK followers. He never forget to announce the Bithday of his group and never forget to boast about the " achievements " . I know dozens of groups Having members in thousands but they never used such gauche methods. What a way to " achieve " -KHUD HI GURU - KHUD HI CHELA? I wonder how many genuine (real) people actually are there in his group? He is trying to prove himself as the GRAND-MASTER of Lal Kitab, I have no objection to that. But what is his credentials? He tell all the remedies from one Dalda book of Late BD Dhanwantri. But surprisingly this book never appeared in his list of " suggested readings list " for the new comers? Why? Is he afraid that his reality will be known to others? Discuss any remedy with him privately, he will instantly announce through his CHELAS (fake IDs) that this remedy was the creation of our GURU JI. I can provide proofs of this claim, if required. He is trying to project himself as the Greatest Lal kitabist ever born, he even named his groups on the name of Lal Kitab. But I never saw him doing the Tewa Darustee, he instead says that he is using the Chalit/bhav Spashat chart instead. Tewa Darustee and Ilm Qyafa are the two most important ingredients in Lal kitab astrology, but he never cared about these aspects. Perhaps no one ever taught him these points. Most of the veteran LK astrologers especially Shri Umesh sharma ji, your good-self, MS Kondal and Rajiv Khattar never proceed further without a proper darustee of a chart. And I must confess that Shri Umesh Sharma ji is far FAR ahead of everyone in this matter. He even accused me and your good-self of using fake ID's. When Mr. MS Kondal joined Punit's group and start writing, he spread the rumour that MS Kondal is nothing but Prabhakar's shadow handle. About 1 year back, he also cried foul when I analysed a chart of a female and the native replied to almost all of my questions in affirmative I asked from her for Tewa Darustee purpose. But when I I told about 500 Pound Sterling Demand draft sent by her to me to one of his " then " close associates, he was clueless as to what he should do now. I know that he raised such issues only to hide his own mischief. He will not desist from such misadventures in the future also because old habits die hard. His another prominent habit is to hijack the subjct matter of other forums. Perhaps he is unable to conceive any original thoughts in his old age.Since we are discussing Dharmi Tewa - he did not wasted a moment to grab it, this time his latest Avtar Narendra Juneja did this. He is doing this not to add somethinbg positive in it, but to prove that everybody else is a fool and only he is the wisest man on this planet. He is trying his level best to prove wrong whatever has been said about Dharmi Tewa, and his each fake Id is burning their night oils in the process. But those old school followers who are associated with Lal Kitab by heart and soul will never listen to him, yes a few innocent new comers might be misguided by them - but for how long? His one point agenda is to prove all Old school followers wrong. I have no objection if it is limited to the individuals only, but in the backdrop he is trying to defame Pundit Roop chand joshi and Lal kitab. One of his shadows (Satpal Khurana) even raised questions on the very authorship of Lal Kitab in another astro forum, No true follower of Lal Kitab can ever tolerate this dare. I suffered a brutal onslaught from him when his shadow Id's criticized my book (LK-1941 Transliterated) in the cheapest possible ways under a well planned strategy. He also told that time that he was trying to " show me the mirror " . I saw myself in that mirror carefully - I was very much present there, nice and stronger than ever, because I was a real entity not a shadow. But I know that he will not be able to see more than a big dark spot while seeing " our mirror " . I have not used words like " with heavy heart " purposely as your good-self has used in your post, because I am a fearless guy and have no regret over whatever I have expressed. Respectfully Yograj Prabhakar lalkitab , Rajinder Bhatia <rajinderbhatia2002 wrote: > > Friends, > With a heavy heart, I am writing the following. I have resisted this for many years but now that the cat is out of the bag, I want to bring out some facts. My apologies in advance, this is a lengthy Email and the subject matter is quite unpleasant. > > Prof Suresh Upadhyay (PSU for short), is one the foremost scholars of Lal Kitab astrology. He retired as a professor of linguistics/phonetics from a premier institute of India. Pt Vipin Shukla (Lalkitabee), who is very close to my family, has always spoken extremely highly of PSU's devotion to Lal Kitab. Let me state here that Pt Shukla is not easily impressed by anyone; so this is a great testimonial to Prof Upadhyay's ability. Of all the people that I know, however, only three people have met PSU in person – Pt Shukla and others being PSU's former students; one of them is a member of various Lal Kitab forums. Other than that, none of the Lal Kitab devotees that I know of has ever seen him as he refuses/avoids to meet anyone from any of the forums. So we have to depend on Pt Shukla's testimonial. There is no question in my mind about PSU's deep study of Lal Kitab. He works tirelessly and provides remedial measures free of cost. Some of > these are Lal Kitab based, others are mostly folk remedies collected from here and there and many are questionable and controversial. Yet all these are being dispensed by him under the name of, Lal Kitab (as if these were solely Lal Kitab remedies.) To his credit, he is quite diligent about this service. That is one aspect of his personality – a knowledgeable and compassionate person who perhaps spends his entire day being on the net, juggling between various roles concerning forum-related activities. > > However, there is another aspect of PSU's personality, a very sad one, a painful subject to talk about but it has to be brought out to set the record straight. Right from the start of Lal Kitab groups, he has always operated with multiple user-ids; has always acted as " good-guy " via some user-ids and as " bad-guy " via others; has always employed stealth and surreptitious methods with the ultimate goal of gaining an upper hand over everyone else when it comes to any Lal Kitab discussion, thus boosting his ego. Prof Suresh Upadhyay is none other than Pt Madam Bhushan Priya (a self assumed name in which he, very surprisingly, introduced himself as a woman, a " mother " and a novice trying to learn Lal Kitab.) Within a couple of months, Prof Upadhyay disappeared from the then-forum and this " new " woman became a Lal Kitab " expert " so much so that s/he started his/her own Lal Kitab group on . With this came the " master > stroke " – he also started a Lal Kitab " Discussion Group " where he became the great Gurujee with numerous (imaginary) disciples studying Lal Kitab under his tutelage. These " disciples " were all fake user-ids manufactured by PSU as needed – the number of such fake chelas is unknown. > > In his forum, he has always been very careful to censor any dissenting opinion and delete Emails that question his tactics. In the process, many have been banned who were writing things that were inconvenient to PSU. Yet he unabashedly accepted mails from a few misguided and immature individuals who were openly taking pot shots at some others. Even Lal Kitab1941 (Gutka) transliterated by Sh Yograj was not spared. On the one hand PSU lauded the attempt and on the other hand, he let the same malicious people splash mud at the wonderful book and the people associated with it. Topics that were/are being discussed in AstroStudents forum were (and are) regularly hijacked to the great Gurujee's forum; even irrelevant non-topics from some pea-brained individuals were published as long as they splashed mud at some particular individuals, yours truly included. PSU really stooped low! At times PSU acted extremely abrasive, while at others he acted as a naive > person with the express intent of be-fooling others. He has used circular logic, ignored the basic point of an inconvenient discussion and has never for once, conceded that he ever made a mistake. One example: Steel ring as a remedial measure suggested in Mercury 12 - through his illogical logic he has always maintained that the ring has to be open-ended and that is what he prescribes because once he has " pronounced " that, he won't rectify his mistake. This is despite the fact that I tried to correct him numerous times on this particular topic, sharing with one and all what Pt Rup Chand jee had to say about this remedial measure. He would have none of it – he firmly believes that he knows more than the originator of the system! Many of us have known about PSU's strange behavior for a long time but never said a word about it. As a moderator at another Lal Kitab group, I used to receive emails about this " fake id " business quite > regularly but out of respect and decency towards a senior person and a former educator, I decided to reject/delete/edit such mails. It does not matter, if that is how he gets his kicks - let it be. But repeatedly, he has crossed the limit of what is tolerable. On all possible occasions, he has, through his various fake ids, tried to blow the trumpet of Pt Krishan Ashant's blatant lies about Pt Rup Chand jee and as recently as a few weeks ago, he called Pt Jee a mere " scribe. " I state very emphatically that this is crude, mean, low-class and vulgar – these are the politest words I can use. (When I say 'he' I mean one of his user-ids, his creation, his make-believe world.) Not only that, he even gloated in the recent past that there is no material ever written by Pt Rup Chand jee post-1952 that is in his son's (Pt Som Dutt jee's) or anyone else's possession and that if there is any such Lal Kitab related material, it must be " brought to > Aligarh " " for authentication. " Come on Prof Upadhyay, get real and get off your imaginary high horse. Your " virtual disciples " and the vaporous " Aligarh Group " will decide the authenticity of Lal Kitab? Get a life! Many seniors have laughed at this suggestion while others have pitied the so-called Aligarh Group's " intellect. " > > Although a scholar, PSU has been displaying a severe psychological aberration. He wants to be known and recognized as the high priest of Lal Kitab and lives in a fantasy world where he visualizes himself sitting at a high pedestal with numerous of his disciples standing around with bowed heads and folded hands, awaiting the words of wisdom - " The Oracle has spake. " Why did he have to " change " his persona into a woman, Pt Bhushan Priya, who by " her " own admission, (also) taught at IIT, and had the same credentials as Prof Upadhyay, " She " went to a conference at IIT, Kharagpur as advertised in " her " " Discussion Group " (Little known to " her " that we have a copy of the names of invited guests and those who attended – " Priya " was NOT one of them, Prof Upadhyay was.) A liar always gets caught in his/her own web. As Priya, " she " also said, while writing to a woman, " ... as a mother myself I know your feelings... " Why all this deceit and > that too in the name of Lal Kitab? Don't you have any qualms about it? > > To express his opinion and to spread the word, Prof Upadhyay would have earned a lot more respect had he started his own Lal Kitab blog. He didn't have to have a " spokesperson " in " Varun Trivedi " who, it seems, had nothing to do all day long except to wait for the great Gurujee to issue a farmaan or issue clarification or explanation – this chela knew everything! (Even now this " maanas chela " is explaining and writing and fielding questions even though the cat is out of the bag; thanks to Sh Ratan jee.) > > I know that I am not setting a good example for our new members and I know numerous seniors will be pained to read this. But I can't tolerate Prof Upadhyay continually and knowingly spreading lies and misinformation about Lal Kitab and Pt Rup Chand Jee. I have expressed to him in the past internet discussions and will do so again, that his methodology of dispensing Lal Kitab Remedies Forum is also patently WRONG. He never ever verifies the correctness of a horoscope - his remedial measures are as if they came from a ready reckoner that he has compiled. Per Mr. Finn Wandahl, a scholar of Vedic astrology from Denmark (and fortunately a good friend) " A horoscope is always incorrect unless verified. " [You have seen Emails from him from time to time. He was trained under some of the greatest astrologers of India including Prof B V Raman and he has spent numerous years studying Nadi and Bhrigu methods of astrology; currently Lal Kitab is his big > passion. He is a one of Europe's premier professional astrologers.] Mr. Wandahl > is among the few who live by the golden rule of Lal Kitab - `VERIFY BEFORE YOU SPECIFY'.) Many of us, if we can't verify the correctness/validity of a horoscope, refuse to go any further with it. We can't act like quacks who must inject something into a patient whether they are able to diagnose the problem or not. Prof Upadhyay has chosen to ignore this ethical responsibility. The prescriber of a (possibly wrong) remedial measure is committing a sin. > > In the end, I do pray to Almighty to put Prof Upadhyay on the right path. He is a learned person and should desist from such unbecoming activities. It really pains me to write such a long Email criticizing him but the truth has to be told and has to triumph. > > My apologies for such ramblings. > > Rajinder Bhatia > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 4, 2008 Report Share Posted December 4, 2008 Dear Rajinder and Yograj, I'd like to say that I very much understand and also support your recent posts about Dr. Suresh Upadhyay and his false ID's such as Pt. Bhooshan Priyar, Varun Trivedi etc., etc. I understand Dr. Suresh Upadhyay is supposed to be a very learned and intelligent man, an expert of Lal Kitab, but still I have found his knowledge of Lal Kitab to be ill digested and wrong on many occations. For instance, I cannot accept the way Dr. Suresh Upadhyay is mixing up Lal Kitab concepts with traditional Parasari concept and presenting it as if it was the true Lal Kitab. When mixing up the concepts of Lal Kitab with e.g. concepts from Parasari, Tajik or Western astrology, one should at least admit doing so, in order not to misguide others. Likewise, while dealing with astrological and religious texts, one should not read into the text but rather out of the text, and I don't understand why an intelligent scholar would make such a mistake. I would also like to add that it seems Dr. Suresh Upadhyay is not only using these false ID's on the discussion-groups, he is also using them privately. About 7-9 month ago I got some private emails from Dr. Suresh Upadhyay, where he presented himself as Varun Trivedi. I replied to these emails in the good faith that this was really Varun Trivedi, but I was mislead. Using a false identity in a private correspondence or conversation is not only dishonest and deceitful, it is also disrespectful, and hardly the way of a gentleman. Best regards, Finn Wandahl , " Yograj Prabhakar " <yr_prabhakar wrote: > > Respected Bhatia Sahib, > > The game you have mentioned is not a new one for me, many people knew > it for a long long time. It was September 18th, 2004 when one of the > senior most Lal Kitab scholar Pt. Umesh Sharma ji organized a Seminar > on Lal Kitab at New Delhi In which Prof Upadhaye too participated > incognito. The very next morning two messages appeared expressing > views regarding the above-mentioned seminar on the internet. One was from Madam Bhushan Priya and another was from Mr. Bhuvan Vashishta. I along with Kulbir Singh Bains was at Pt. Umesh Sharma's residence at that time. Previously, we used to exchange mails with Bhuvan Vashishta, so we requested him to attend the seminar and meet us. We were all taken aback as to why Bhuvan Vashishta preferred to remain hidden. We watched the video clippings of the program again and again to find out who actually Mr. Bhuvan Vashishta and Madam Bhushan Priya were. We checked each female who attended the function but could not find " her " (because by then we all knew " him " as " her). We checked each one of the young men who attended the seminar, but were unable to find any Bhuvan Vashishta among the participants. But we could smell the rat and suspected that some hanky-panky was certainly going on. Actually, no person with those names ever participated in the function. Anyways,the information about this Bhuvan Vashishta's ID was conveyed to our senior most American Indian scholar by PSU's one bespectacled Lieutenant many years ago. And years later,one of our Canadian forum members forwarded me a mail of a lady who addressed PSU by his actual male name clearing any doubt whatsoever about his tactics. > > A few years back he also entered our group on a conjured name and > tried to disrupt the proceedings with his clumsy and half baked > rationales. He even provided a wrong telephone number. Once we tried > to inquired about his actual identity, he not only provided the wrong > contact numbers but later he simply ran away. He started his own group > after a few days of leaving our forum. His real game started from > there only. He made more than 2 dozen fake IDs and started fooling the > innocent LK followers. He never forget to announce the Bithday of his > group and never forget to boast about the " achievements " . I know > dozens of groups Having members in thousands but they never used such > gauche methods. What a way to " achieve " , KHUD HI GURU - KHUD HI CHELA? > I wonder how many genuine (real) people actually are there in his group? > > He is trying to prove himself as the GRAND-MASTER of Lal Kitab, I have > no objection to that. But what are his credentials? He tells all the > remedies from one Dalda book by Late BD Dhanwantri. But surprisingly, > this book never appeared in his list of " suggested readings list " for > the new comers? Why? Is he afraid that his reality will be known to > others? Discuss any remedy with him privately, he will instantly > announce through his CHELAS (fake IDs) that this remedy was the > creation of our GURU JI. I can provide proofs of this claim, if > required. > > He is trying to project himself as the " greatest " Lal kitabist ever > born, he even named his groups in the name of Lal Kitab. But I never > saw him doing the Tewa Darustee, he says that he is using the > Chalit/bhav Spashat chart instead. 'Tewa Darustee' and 'Ilm Qyafa' are the two most important ingredients in Lal kitab astrology, but he never cared about these aspects. Perhaps no one ever taught him these > points. Most of the veteran LK astrologers especially Shri Umesh > sharma ji, your good-self, MS Kondal, Finn Wandahl and Rajiv Khattar never proceed further without a proper darustee of a chart. And to his credit, Shri Umesh Sharma ji is far FAR ahead of everyone in this matter. > > He even accused me and your good-self of using fake ID's. When Mr. MS > Kondal joined Punit's group and start writing, he spread the rumour > that MS Kondal is nothing but Prabhakar's shadow handle. About one year back, he also cried foul when I analysed a chart of a female and the native replied to almost all of my questions in affirmative I asked from her for Tewa Darustee purpose. But when I I told about 500 Pound Sterling Demand draft sent by her to me to one of his " then " close associates, he was clueless as to what he should do now. I know that he raised such issues only to hide his own mischief. He will not > desist from such misadventures in the future also because old habits > die hard. > > His other prominent habit is to hijack the subject matter of other > forums. Perhaps he is unable to conceive any original thoughts in his > old age. Since we are discussing Dharmi Tewa - he did not waste a > moment to grab it, this time his latest Avtar Narendra Juneja did > this. He is doing this not to add somethinbg positive in it, but to > prove that everybody else is a fool and only he is the wisest man on > this planet. He is trying his level best to prove wrong whatever has > been said about Dharmi Tewa, and his each fake Id is burning their mid-night oil in the process. But those old school followers who are > associated with Lal Kitab by heart and soul will never listen to him, > yes a few innocent new comers might be misguided by them - but for how > long? > > His one point agenda is to prove all Old school followers wrong. I > have no objection if it is limited to the individuals only, but in the > backdrop he is trying to defame Pundit Roop Chand Joshi and Lal Kitab. > One of his shadows (Satpal Khurana) even raised questions on the very > authorship of Lal Kitab in another astro forum, No true follower of > Lal Kitab can ever tolerate this type of nonsense. > > I suffered a brutal onslaught from him when his shadow Id's criticized > my book (LK-1941 Transliterated) in the cheapest possible ways under a > well planned strategy. He also declared that time that he was trying to " show me the mirror " . I saw myself in that mirror carefully - I was > very much present there, nice and stronger than ever, because I was a > real entity not a shadow. But I know that he will not be able to see > more than a big dark spot while seeing " our mirror " . > > I have not used words like " with heavy heart " purposely as your > good-self has used in your post, because I am a fearless guy and have > no regret over whatever I have expressed. > > Respectfully > Yograj Prabhakar > > > , Rajinder Bhatia > <rajinderbhatia2002@> wrote: > > > > Friends, > > With a heavy heart, I am writing the following. I have resisted this > for many years but now that the cat is out of the bag, I want to bring > out some facts. My apologies in advance, this is a lengthy Email and > the subject matter is quite unpleasant. > > > > Prof Suresh Upadhyay (PSU for short), is one the foremost scholars > of Lal Kitab astrology. He retired as a professor of > linguistics/phonetics from a premier institute of India. Pt Vipin > Shukla (Lalkitabee), who is very close to my family, has always spoken > extremely highly of PSU's devotion to Lal Kitab. Let me state here > that Pt Shukla is not easily impressed by anyone; so this is a great > testimonial to Prof Upadhyay's ability. Of all the people that I know, > however, only three people have met PSU in person – Pt Shukla and > others being PSU's former students; one of them is a member of various > Lal Kitab forums. Other than that, none of the Lal Kitab devotees that > I know of has ever seen him as he refuses/avoids to meet anyone from > any of the forums. So we have to depend on Pt Shukla's testimonial. > There is no question in my mind about PSU's deep study of Lal Kitab. > He works tirelessly and provides remedial measures free of cost. Some of > > these are Lal Kitab based, others are mostly folk remedies > collected from here and there and many are questionable and > controversial. Yet all these are being dispensed by him under the name > of, Lal Kitab (as if these were solely Lal Kitab remedies.) To his > credit, he is quite diligent about this service. That is one aspect of > his personality – a knowledgeable and compassionate person who perhaps > spends his entire day being on the net, juggling between various roles > concerning forum-related activities. > > > > However, there is another aspect of PSU's personality, a very sad > one, a painful subject to talk about but it has to be brought out to > set the record straight. Right from the start of Lal Kitab > groups, he has always operated with multiple user-ids; has always > acted as " good-guy " via some user-ids and as " bad-guy " via others; has > always employed stealth and surreptitious methods with the ultimate > goal of gaining an upper hand over everyone else when it comes to any > Lal Kitab discussion, thus boosting his ego. Prof Suresh Upadhyay is > none other than Pt Madam Bhushan Priya (a self assumed name in which > he, very surprisingly, introduced himself as a woman, a " mother " and a > novice trying to learn Lal Kitab.) Within a couple of months, Prof > Upadhyay disappeared from the then-forum and this " new " woman became a > Lal Kitab " expert " so much so that s/he started his/her own Lal Kitab > group on . With this came the " master > > stroke " – he also started a Lal Kitab " Discussion Group " where he > became the great Gurujee with numerous (imaginary) disciples studying > Lal Kitab under his tutelage. These " disciples " were all fake user-ids > manufactured by PSU as needed – the number of such fake chelas is > unknown. > > > > In his forum, he has always been very careful to censor any > dissenting opinion and delete Emails that question his tactics. In the > process, many have been banned who were writing things that were > inconvenient to PSU. Yet he unabashedly accepted mails from a few > misguided and immature individuals who were openly taking pot shots at > some others. Even Lal Kitab1941 (Gutka) transliterated by Sh Yograj > was not spared. On the one hand PSU lauded the attempt and on the > other hand, he let the same malicious people splash mud at the > wonderful book and the people associated with it. Topics that were/are > being discussed in AstroStudents forum were (and are) regularly > hijacked to the great Gurujee's forum; even irrelevant non-topics from > some pea-brained individuals were published as long as they splashed > mud at some particular individuals, yours truly included. PSU really > stooped low! At times PSU acted extremely abrasive, while at others he > acted as a naive > > person with the express intent of be-fooling others. He has used > circular logic, ignored the basic point of an inconvenient discussion > and has never for once, conceded that he ever made a mistake. One > example: Steel ring as a remedial measure suggested in Mercury 12 - > through his illogical logic he has always maintained that the ring has > to be open-ended and that is what he prescribes because once he > has " pronounced " that, he won't rectify his mistake. This is despite > the fact that I tried to correct him numerous times on this particular > topic, sharing with one and all what Pt Rup Chand jee had to say about > this remedial measure. He would have none of it – he firmly believes > that he knows more than the originator of the system! Many of us have > known about PSU's strange behavior for a long time but never said a > word about it. As a moderator at another Lal Kitab group, I used to > receive emails about this " fake id " business quite > > regularly but out of respect and decency towards a senior person > and a former educator, I decided to reject/delete/edit such mails. It > does not matter, if that is how he gets his kicks - let it be. But > repeatedly, he has crossed the limit of what is tolerable. On all > possible occasions, he has, through his various fake ids, tried to > blow the trumpet of Pt Krishan Ashant's blatant lies about Pt Rup > Chand jee and as recently as a few weeks ago, he called Pt Jee a > mere " scribe. " I state very emphatically that this is crude, mean, > low-class and vulgar – these are the politest words I can use. (When I > say 'he' I mean one of his user-ids, his creation, his make-believe > world.) Not only that, he even gloated in the recent past that there > is no material ever written by Pt Rup Chand jee post-1952 that is in > his son's (Pt Som Dutt jee's) or anyone else's possession and that if > there is any such Lal Kitab related material, it must be " brought to > > Aligarh " " for authentication. " Come on Prof Upadhyay, get real and > get off your imaginary high horse. Your " virtual disciples " and the > vaporous " Aligarh Group " will decide the authenticity of Lal Kitab? > Get a life! Many seniors have laughed at this suggestion while others > have pitied the so-called Aligarh Group's " intellect. " > > > > Although a scholar, PSU has been displaying a severe psychological > aberration. He wants to be known and recognized as the high priest of > Lal Kitab and lives in a fantasy world where he visualizes himself > sitting at a high pedestal with numerous of his disciples standing > around with bowed heads and folded hands, awaiting the words of wisdom > - " The Oracle has spake. " Why did he have to " change " his persona into > a woman, Pt Bhushan Priya, who by " her " own admission, (also) taught > at IIT, and had the same credentials as Prof Upadhyay, " She " went to a > conference at IIT, Kharagpur as advertised in " her " " Discussion Group " > (Little known to " her " that we have a copy of the names of invited > guests and those who attended – " Priya " was NOT one of them, Prof > Upadhyay was.) A liar always gets caught in his/her own web. As Priya, > " she " also said, while writing to a woman, " ... as a mother myself I > know your feelings... " Why all this deceit and > > that too in the name of Lal Kitab? Don't you have any qualms about it? > > > > To express his opinion and to spread the word, Prof Upadhyay would > have earned a lot more respect had he started his own Lal Kitab blog. > He didn't have to have a " spokesperson " in " Varun Trivedi " who, it > seems, had nothing to do all day long except to wait for the great > Gurujee to issue a farmaan or issue clarification or explanation – > this chela knew everything! (Even now this " maanas chela " is > explaining and writing and fielding questions even though the cat is > out of the bag; thanks to Sh Ratan jee.) > > > > I know that I am not setting a good example for our new members and > I know numerous seniors will be pained to read this. But I can't > tolerate Prof Upadhyay continually and knowingly spreading lies > and misinformation about Lal Kitab and Pt Rup Chand Jee. I have > expressed to him in the past internet discussions and will do so > again, that his methodology of dispensing Lal Kitab Remedies Forum is > also patently WRONG. He never ever verifies the correctness of a > horoscope - his remedial measures are as if they came from a ready > reckoner that he has compiled. Per Mr. Finn Wandahl, a scholar of > Vedic astrology from Denmark (and fortunately a good friend) " A > horoscope is always incorrect unless verified. " [You have seen Emails > from him from time to time. He was trained under some of the greatest > astrologers of India including Prof B V Raman and he has spent > numerous years studying Nadi and Bhrigu methods of astrology; > currently Lal Kitab is his big > > passion. He is a one of Europe's premier professional astrologers.] > Mr. Wandahl > > is among the few who live by the golden rule of Lal Kitab - `VERIFY > BEFORE YOU SPECIFY'.) Many of us, if we can't verify the > correctness/validity of a horoscope, refuse to go any further with > it. We can't act like quacks who must inject something into a patient > whether they are able to diagnose the problem or not. Prof Upadhyay > has chosen to ignore this ethical responsibility. The prescriber of a > (possibly wrong) remedial measure is committing a sin. > > > > In the end, I do pray to Almighty to put Prof Upadhyay on the right > path. He is a learned person and should desist from such unbecoming > activities. It really pains me to write such a long Email criticizing > him but the truth has to be told and has to triumph. > > > > My apologies for such ramblings. > > > > Rajinder Bhatia > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 4, 2008 Report Share Posted December 4, 2008 Dear Rajinder and Yograj, I'd like to say that I very much understand and also support your recent posts about Dr. Suresh Upadhyay and his false ID's such as Pt. Bhooshan Priyar, Varun Trivedi etc., etc. I understand Dr. Suresh Upadhyay is supposed to be a very learned and intelligent man, an expert of Lal Kitab, but still I have found his knowledge of Lal Kitab to be ill digested and wrong on many occations. For instance, I cannot accept the way Dr. Suresh Upadhyay is mixing up Lal Kitab concepts with traditional Parasari concept and presenting it as if it was the true Lal Kitab. When mixing up the concepts of Lal Kitab with e.g. concepts from Parasari, Tajik or Western astrology, one should at least admit doing so, in order not to misguide others. Likewise, while dealing with astrological and religious texts, one should not read into the text but rather out of the text, and I don't understand why an intelligent scholar would make such a mistake. I would also like to add that it seems Dr. Suresh Upadhyay is not only using these false ID's on the discussion-groups, he is also using them privately. About 7-9 month ago I got some private emails from Dr. Suresh Upadhyay, where he presented himself as Varun Trivedi. I replied to these emails in the good faith that this was really Varun Trivedi, but I was mislead. Using a false identity in a private correspondence or conversation is not only dishonest and deceitful, it is also disrespectful, and hardly the way of a gentleman. Best regards, Finn Wandahl lalkitab , " Yograj Prabhakar " <yr_prabhakar wrote: > > Respected Bhatia Sahib, > > The game you have mentioned is not a new one for me, many people knew > it for a long long time. It was September 18th, 2004 when one of the > senior most Lal Kitab scholar Pt. Umesh Sharma ji organized a Seminar > on Lal Kitab at New Delhi In which Prof Upadhaye too participated > incognito. The very next morning two messages appeared expressing > views regarding the above-mentioned seminar on internet. One was from > Madam Bhushan Priya and another was from Mr. Bhuvan Vashishta. I along > with Kulbir Singh Bains was at Pt. Umesh Sharma's residence at that > time. Previously we used to exchange mails with Bhuvan Vashishta, so > we requested him to attend the seminar and meet us. We were all taken > aback as to why Bhuvan Vashishta preferred to remain hidden. We > watched the video clippings of the program again and again to find out > who actually Mr. Bhuvan Vashishta and Madam Bhushan Priya were. We > checked each female who attended the function but could not find > " her " (because by then we all knew " him " as " her). We checked each of > the young man attended the seminar, but were unable to find any Bhuvan > Vashishta among the participants. But we could smell the rat and > suspected that some hanky-panky was certainly going on. Actually, no > person with those name ever participated in the function. Anyways,the > information about this Bhuvan Vashishta's ID was conveyed to our > senior most American Indian scholar by PSU's one bespectacled > Lieutenant many years ago. And years later,one of our Canadian forum > members forwarded me a mail of a lady who addressed PSU by his actual > male name clearing any doubt what soever about his tactics. > > A few years back he also entered our group on a conjured name and > tried to disrupt the proceedings with his clumsy and half baked > rationales. He even provided a wrong telephone number. once we tried > to inquired about his actual identity, he not only provided the wrong > contact numbers but later he simple ran away. He started his own group > after a few days of leaving our forum. His real game started from > there only. He made More than 2 dozen fake IDs and started fooling the > innocent LK followers. He never forget to announce the Bithday of his > group and never forget to boast about the " achievements " . I know > dozens of groups Having members in thousands but they never used such > gauche methods. What a way to " achieve " -KHUD HI GURU - KHUD HI CHELA? > I wonder how many genuine (real) people actually are there in his group? > > He is trying to prove himself as the GRAND-MASTER of Lal Kitab, I have > no objection to that. But what is his credentials? He tell all the > remedies from one Dalda book of Late BD Dhanwantri. But surprisingly > this book never appeared in his list of " suggested readings list " for > the new comers? Why? Is he afraid that his reality will be known to > others? Discuss any remedy with him privately, he will instantly > announce through his CHELAS (fake IDs) that this remedy was the > creation of our GURU JI. I can provide proofs of this claim, if > required. > > He is trying to project himself as the Greatest Lal kitabist ever > born, he even named his groups on the name of Lal Kitab. But I never > saw him doing the Tewa Darustee, he instead says that he is using the > Chalit/bhav Spashat chart instead. Tewa Darustee and Ilm Qyafa are the > two most important ingredients in Lal kitab astrology, but he never > cared about these aspects. Perhaps no one ever taught him these > points. Most of the veteran LK astrologers especially Shri Umesh > sharma ji, your good-self, MS Kondal and Rajiv Khattar never proceed > further without a proper darustee of a chart. And I must confess that > Shri Umesh Sharma ji is far FAR ahead of everyone in this matter. > > He even accused me and your good-self of using fake ID's. When Mr. MS > Kondal joined Punit's group and start writing, he spread the rumour > that MS Kondal is nothing but Prabhakar's shadow handle. About 1 year > back, he also cried foul when I analysed a chart of a female and the > native replied to almost all of my questions in affirmative I asked > from her for Tewa Darustee purpose. But when I I told about 500 Pound > Sterling Demand draft sent by her to me to one of his " then " close > associates, he was clueless as to what he should do now. I know that > he raised such issues only to hide his own mischief. He will not > desist from such misadventures in the future also because old habits > die hard. > > His another prominent habit is to hijack the subjct matter of other > forums. Perhaps he is unable to conceive any original thoughts in his > old age.Since we are discussing Dharmi Tewa - he did not wasted a > moment to grab it, this time his latest Avtar Narendra Juneja did > this. He is doing this not to add somethinbg positive in it, but to > prove that everybody else is a fool and only he is the wisest man on > this planet. He is trying his level best to prove wrong whatever has > been said about Dharmi Tewa, and his each fake Id is burning their > night oils in the process. But those old school followers who are > associated with Lal Kitab by heart and soul will never listen to him, > yes a few innocent new comers might be misguided by them - but for how > long? > > His one point agenda is to prove all Old school followers wrong. I > have no objection if it is limited to the individuals only, but in the > backdrop he is trying to defame Pundit Roop chand joshi and Lal kitab. > One of his shadows (Satpal Khurana) even raised questions on the very > authorship of Lal Kitab in another astro forum, No true follower of > Lal Kitab can ever tolerate this dare. > > I suffered a brutal onslaught from him when his shadow Id's criticized > my book (LK-1941 Transliterated) in the cheapest possible ways under a > well planned strategy. He also told that time that he was trying to > " show me the mirror " . I saw myself in that mirror carefully - I was > very much present there, nice and stronger than ever, because I was a > real entity not a shadow. But I know that he will not be able to see > more than a big dark spot while seeing " our mirror " . > > I have not used words like " with heavy heart " purposely as your > good-self has used in your post, because I am a fearless guy and have > no regret over whatever I have expressed. > > Respectfully > Yograj Prabhakar lalkitab , Rajinder Bhatia > <rajinderbhatia2002@> wrote: > > > > Friends, > > With a heavy heart, I am writing the following. I have resisted this > for many years but now that the cat is out of the bag, I want to bring > out some facts. My apologies in advance, this is a lengthy Email and > the subject matter is quite unpleasant. > > > > Prof Suresh Upadhyay (PSU for short), is one the foremost scholars > of Lal Kitab astrology. He retired as a professor of > linguistics/phonetics from a premier institute of India. Pt Vipin > Shukla (Lalkitabee), who is very close to my family, has always spoken > extremely highly of PSU's devotion to Lal Kitab. Let me state here > that Pt Shukla is not easily impressed by anyone; so this is a great > testimonial to Prof Upadhyay's ability. Of all the people that I know, > however, only three people have met PSU in person – Pt Shukla and > others being PSU's former students; one of them is a member of various > Lal Kitab forums. Other than that, none of the Lal Kitab devotees that > I know of has ever seen him as he refuses/avoids to meet anyone from > any of the forums. So we have to depend on Pt Shukla's testimonial. > There is no question in my mind about PSU's deep study of Lal Kitab. > He works tirelessly and provides remedial measures free of cost. Some of > > these are Lal Kitab based, others are mostly folk remedies > collected from here and there and many are questionable and > controversial. Yet all these are being dispensed by him under the name > of, Lal Kitab (as if these were solely Lal Kitab remedies.) To his > credit, he is quite diligent about this service. That is one aspect of > his personality – a knowledgeable and compassionate person who perhaps > spends his entire day being on the net, juggling between various roles > concerning forum-related activities. > > > > However, there is another aspect of PSU's personality, a very sad > one, a painful subject to talk about but it has to be brought out to > set the record straight. Right from the start of Lal Kitab > groups, he has always operated with multiple user-ids; has always > acted as " good-guy " via some user-ids and as " bad-guy " via others; has > always employed stealth and surreptitious methods with the ultimate > goal of gaining an upper hand over everyone else when it comes to any > Lal Kitab discussion, thus boosting his ego. Prof Suresh Upadhyay is > none other than Pt Madam Bhushan Priya (a self assumed name in which > he, very surprisingly, introduced himself as a woman, a " mother " and a > novice trying to learn Lal Kitab.) Within a couple of months, Prof > Upadhyay disappeared from the then-forum and this " new " woman became a > Lal Kitab " expert " so much so that s/he started his/her own Lal Kitab > group on . With this came the " master > > stroke " – he also started a Lal Kitab " Discussion Group " where he > became the great Gurujee with numerous (imaginary) disciples studying > Lal Kitab under his tutelage. These " disciples " were all fake user-ids > manufactured by PSU as needed – the number of such fake chelas is > unknown. > > > > In his forum, he has always been very careful to censor any > dissenting opinion and delete Emails that question his tactics. In the > process, many have been banned who were writing things that were > inconvenient to PSU. Yet he unabashedly accepted mails from a few > misguided and immature individuals who were openly taking pot shots at > some others. Even Lal Kitab1941 (Gutka) transliterated by Sh Yograj > was not spared. On the one hand PSU lauded the attempt and on the > other hand, he let the same malicious people splash mud at the > wonderful book and the people associated with it. Topics that were/are > being discussed in AstroStudents forum were (and are) regularly > hijacked to the great Gurujee's forum; even irrelevant non-topics from > some pea-brained individuals were published as long as they splashed > mud at some particular individuals, yours truly included. PSU really > stooped low! At times PSU acted extremely abrasive, while at others he > acted as a naive > > person with the express intent of be-fooling others. He has used > circular logic, ignored the basic point of an inconvenient discussion > and has never for once, conceded that he ever made a mistake. One > example: Steel ring as a remedial measure suggested in Mercury 12 - > through his illogical logic he has always maintained that the ring has > to be open-ended and that is what he prescribes because once he > has " pronounced " that, he won't rectify his mistake. This is despite > the fact that I tried to correct him numerous times on this particular > topic, sharing with one and all what Pt Rup Chand jee had to say about > this remedial measure. He would have none of it – he firmly believes > that he knows more than the originator of the system! Many of us have > known about PSU's strange behavior for a long time but never said a > word about it. As a moderator at another Lal Kitab group, I used to > receive emails about this " fake id " business quite > > regularly but out of respect and decency towards a senior person > and a former educator, I decided to reject/delete/edit such mails. It > does not matter, if that is how he gets his kicks - let it be. But > repeatedly, he has crossed the limit of what is tolerable. On all > possible occasions, he has, through his various fake ids, tried to > blow the trumpet of Pt Krishan Ashant's blatant lies about Pt Rup > Chand jee and as recently as a few weeks ago, he called Pt Jee a > mere " scribe. " I state very emphatically that this is crude, mean, > low-class and vulgar – these are the politest words I can use. (When I > say 'he' I mean one of his user-ids, his creation, his make-believe > world.) Not only that, he even gloated in the recent past that there > is no material ever written by Pt Rup Chand jee post-1952 that is in > his son's (Pt Som Dutt jee's) or anyone else's possession and that if > there is any such Lal Kitab related material, it must be " brought to > > Aligarh " " for authentication. " Come on Prof Upadhyay, get real and > get off your imaginary high horse. Your " virtual disciples " and the > vaporous " Aligarh Group " will decide the authenticity of Lal Kitab? > Get a life! Many seniors have laughed at this suggestion while others > have pitied the so-called Aligarh Group's " intellect. " > > > > Although a scholar, PSU has been displaying a severe psychological > aberration. He wants to be known and recognized as the high priest of > Lal Kitab and lives in a fantasy world where he visualizes himself > sitting at a high pedestal with numerous of his disciples standing > around with bowed heads and folded hands, awaiting the words of wisdom > - " The Oracle has spake. " Why did he have to " change " his persona into > a woman, Pt Bhushan Priya, who by " her " own admission, (also) taught > at IIT, and had the same credentials as Prof Upadhyay, " She " went to a > conference at IIT, Kharagpur as advertised in " her " " Discussion Group " > (Little known to " her " that we have a copy of the names of invited > guests and those who attended – " Priya " was NOT one of them, Prof > Upadhyay was.) A liar always gets caught in his/her own web. As Priya, > " she " also said, while writing to a woman, " ... as a mother myself I > know your feelings... " Why all this deceit and > > that too in the name of Lal Kitab? Don't you have any qualms about it? > > > > To express his opinion and to spread the word, Prof Upadhyay would > have earned a lot more respect had he started his own Lal Kitab blog. > He didn't have to have a " spokesperson " in " Varun Trivedi " who, it > seems, had nothing to do all day long except to wait for the great > Gurujee to issue a farmaan or issue clarification or explanation – > this chela knew everything! (Even now this " maanas chela " is > explaining and writing and fielding questions even though the cat is > out of the bag; thanks to Sh Ratan jee.) > > > > I know that I am not setting a good example for our new members and > I know numerous seniors will be pained to read this. But I can't > tolerate Prof Upadhyay continually and knowingly spreading lies > and misinformation about Lal Kitab and Pt Rup Chand Jee. I have > expressed to him in the past internet discussions and will do so > again, that his methodology of dispensing Lal Kitab Remedies Forum is > also patently WRONG. He never ever verifies the correctness of a > horoscope - his remedial measures are as if they came from a ready > reckoner that he has compiled. Per Mr. Finn Wandahl, a scholar of > Vedic astrology from Denmark (and fortunately a good friend) " A > horoscope is always incorrect unless verified. " [You have seen Emails > from him from time to time. He was trained under some of the greatest > astrologers of India including Prof B V Raman and he has spent > numerous years studying Nadi and Bhrigu methods of astrology; > currently Lal Kitab is his big > > passion. He is a one of Europe's premier professional astrologers.] > Mr. Wandahl > > is among the few who live by the golden rule of Lal Kitab - `VERIFY > BEFORE YOU SPECIFY'.) Many of us, if we can't verify the > correctness/validity of a horoscope, refuse to go any further with > it. We can't act like quacks who must inject something into a patient > whether they are able to diagnose the problem or not. Prof Upadhyay > has chosen to ignore this ethical responsibility. The prescriber of a > (possibly wrong) remedial measure is committing a sin. > > > > In the end, I do pray to Almighty to put Prof Upadhyay on the right > path. He is a learned person and should desist from such unbecoming > activities. It really pains me to write such a long Email criticizing > him but the truth has to be told and has to triumph. > > > > My apologies for such ramblings. > > > > Rajinder Bhatia > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 5, 2008 Report Share Posted December 5, 2008 Dear FriendI would like to add my views though it may hurt sentiments of few of my friends. Our Society had been hit very hard by the period when Brahminwad at top. The so called brahmin community floated new rules & floated new concepts about the caste system to themselves(brahmins) a supernatural humans.They twisted the meanings of holy scriptures to suit prove themselves superpowers. The same bug bite this wise elder man. He is going all out to create new rules and prove them correct by creating new avatars like varun,miglani,raheja,...............It is better not to give much weight to this old man. He is a lonely person and let him enjoy with his charisma. regardsOn Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 8:25 PM, Finn Wandahl <finn.wandahl wrote: Dear Rajinder and Yograj, I'd like to say that I very much understand and also support your recent posts about Dr. Suresh Upadhyay and his false ID's such as Pt. Bhooshan Priyar, Varun Trivedi etc., etc. I understand Dr. Suresh Upadhyay is supposed to be a very learned and intelligent man, an expert of Lal Kitab, but still I have found his knowledge of Lal Kitab to be ill digested and wrong on many occations. For instance, I cannot accept the way Dr. Suresh Upadhyay is mixing up Lal Kitab concepts with traditional Parasari concept and presenting it as if it was the true Lal Kitab. When mixing up the concepts of Lal Kitab with e.g. concepts from Parasari, Tajik or Western astrology, one should at least admit doing so, in order not to misguide others. Likewise, while dealing with astrological and religious texts, one should not read into the text but rather out of the text, and I don't understand why an intelligent scholar would make such a mistake. I would also like to add that it seems Dr. Suresh Upadhyay is not only using these false ID's on the discussion-groups, he is also using them privately. About 7-9 month ago I got some private emails from Dr. Suresh Upadhyay, where he presented himself as Varun Trivedi. I replied to these emails in the good faith that this was really Varun Trivedi, but I was mislead. Using a false identity in a private correspondence or conversation is not only dishonest and deceitful, it is also disrespectful, and hardly the way of a gentleman. Best regards, Finn Wandahl , " Yograj Prabhakar " <yr_prabhakar wrote: > > Respected Bhatia Sahib, > > The game you have mentioned is not a new one for me, many people knew > it for a long long time. It was September 18th, 2004 when one of the > senior most Lal Kitab scholar Pt. Umesh Sharma ji organized a Seminar > on Lal Kitab at New Delhi In which Prof Upadhaye too participated > incognito. The very next morning two messages appeared expressing > views regarding the above-mentioned seminar on the internet. One was from Madam Bhushan Priya and another was from Mr. Bhuvan Vashishta. I along with Kulbir Singh Bains was at Pt. Umesh Sharma's residence at that time. Previously, we used to exchange mails with Bhuvan Vashishta, so we requested him to attend the seminar and meet us. We were all taken aback as to why Bhuvan Vashishta preferred to remain hidden. We watched the video clippings of the program again and again to find out who actually Mr. Bhuvan Vashishta and Madam Bhushan Priya were. We checked each female who attended the function but could not find " her " (because by then we all knew " him " as " her). We checked each one of the young men who attended the seminar, but were unable to find any Bhuvan Vashishta among the participants. But we could smell the rat and suspected that some hanky-panky was certainly going on. Actually, no person with those names ever participated in the function. Anyways,the information about this Bhuvan Vashishta's ID was conveyed to our senior most American Indian scholar by PSU's one bespectacled Lieutenant many years ago. And years later,one of our Canadian forum members forwarded me a mail of a lady who addressed PSU by his actual male name clearing any doubt whatsoever about his tactics. > > A few years back he also entered our group on a conjured name and > tried to disrupt the proceedings with his clumsy and half baked > rationales. He even provided a wrong telephone number. Once we tried > to inquired about his actual identity, he not only provided the wrong > contact numbers but later he simply ran away. He started his own group > after a few days of leaving our forum. His real game started from > there only. He made more than 2 dozen fake IDs and started fooling the > innocent LK followers. He never forget to announce the Bithday of his > group and never forget to boast about the " achievements " . I know > dozens of groups Having members in thousands but they never used such > gauche methods. What a way to " achieve " , KHUD HI GURU - KHUD HI CHELA? > I wonder how many genuine (real) people actually are there in his group? > > He is trying to prove himself as the GRAND-MASTER of Lal Kitab, I have > no objection to that. But what are his credentials? He tells all the > remedies from one Dalda book by Late BD Dhanwantri. But surprisingly, > this book never appeared in his list of " suggested readings list " for > the new comers? Why? Is he afraid that his reality will be known to > others? Discuss any remedy with him privately, he will instantly > announce through his CHELAS (fake IDs) that this remedy was the > creation of our GURU JI. I can provide proofs of this claim, if > required. > > He is trying to project himself as the " greatest " Lal kitabist ever > born, he even named his groups in the name of Lal Kitab. But I never > saw him doing the Tewa Darustee, he says that he is using the > Chalit/bhav Spashat chart instead. 'Tewa Darustee' and 'Ilm Qyafa' are the two most important ingredients in Lal kitab astrology, but he never cared about these aspects. Perhaps no one ever taught him these > points. Most of the veteran LK astrologers especially Shri Umesh > sharma ji, your good-self, MS Kondal, Finn Wandahl and Rajiv Khattar never proceed further without a proper darustee of a chart. And to his credit, Shri Umesh Sharma ji is far FAR ahead of everyone in this matter. > > He even accused me and your good-self of using fake ID's. When Mr. MS > Kondal joined Punit's group and start writing, he spread the rumour > that MS Kondal is nothing but Prabhakar's shadow handle. About one year back, he also cried foul when I analysed a chart of a female and the native replied to almost all of my questions in affirmative I asked from her for Tewa Darustee purpose. But when I I told about 500 Pound Sterling Demand draft sent by her to me to one of his " then " close associates, he was clueless as to what he should do now. I know that he raised such issues only to hide his own mischief. He will not > desist from such misadventures in the future also because old habits > die hard. > > His other prominent habit is to hijack the subject matter of other > forums. Perhaps he is unable to conceive any original thoughts in his > old age. Since we are discussing Dharmi Tewa - he did not waste a > moment to grab it, this time his latest Avtar Narendra Juneja did > this. He is doing this not to add somethinbg positive in it, but to > prove that everybody else is a fool and only he is the wisest man on > this planet. He is trying his level best to prove wrong whatever has > been said about Dharmi Tewa, and his each fake Id is burning their mid-night oil in the process. But those old school followers who are > associated with Lal Kitab by heart and soul will never listen to him, > yes a few innocent new comers might be misguided by them - but for how > long? > > His one point agenda is to prove all Old school followers wrong. I > have no objection if it is limited to the individuals only, but in the > backdrop he is trying to defame Pundit Roop Chand Joshi and Lal Kitab. > One of his shadows (Satpal Khurana) even raised questions on the very > authorship of Lal Kitab in another astro forum, No true follower of > Lal Kitab can ever tolerate this type of nonsense. > > I suffered a brutal onslaught from him when his shadow Id's criticized > my book (LK-1941 Transliterated) in the cheapest possible ways under a > well planned strategy. He also declared that time that he was trying to " show me the mirror " . I saw myself in that mirror carefully - I was > very much present there, nice and stronger than ever, because I was a > real entity not a shadow. But I know that he will not be able to see > more than a big dark spot while seeing " our mirror " . > > I have not used words like " with heavy heart " purposely as your > good-self has used in your post, because I am a fearless guy and have > no regret over whatever I have expressed. > > Respectfully > Yograj Prabhakar > > > , Rajinder Bhatia > <rajinderbhatia2002@> wrote: > > > > Friends, > > With a heavy heart, I am writing the following. I have resisted this > for many years but now that the cat is out of the bag, I want to bring > out some facts. My apologies in advance, this is a lengthy Email and > the subject matter is quite unpleasant. > > > > Prof Suresh Upadhyay (PSU for short), is one the foremost scholars > of Lal Kitab astrology. He retired as a professor of > linguistics/phonetics from a premier institute of India. Pt Vipin > Shukla (Lalkitabee), who is very close to my family, has always spoken > extremely highly of PSU's devotion to Lal Kitab. Let me state here > that Pt Shukla is not easily impressed by anyone; so this is a great > testimonial to Prof Upadhyay's ability. Of all the people that I know, > however, only three people have met PSU in person – Pt Shukla and > others being PSU's former students; one of them is a member of various > Lal Kitab forums. Other than that, none of the Lal Kitab devotees that > I know of has ever seen him as he refuses/avoids to meet anyone from > any of the forums. So we have to depend on Pt Shukla's testimonial. > There is no question in my mind about PSU's deep study of Lal Kitab. > He works tirelessly and provides remedial measures free of cost. Some of > > these are Lal Kitab based, others are mostly folk remedies > collected from here and there and many are questionable and > controversial. Yet all these are being dispensed by him under the name > of, Lal Kitab (as if these were solely Lal Kitab remedies.) To his > credit, he is quite diligent about this service. That is one aspect of > his personality – a knowledgeable and compassionate person who perhaps > spends his entire day being on the net, juggling between various roles > concerning forum-related activities. > > > > However, there is another aspect of PSU's personality, a very sad > one, a painful subject to talk about but it has to be brought out to > set the record straight. Right from the start of Lal Kitab > groups, he has always operated with multiple user-ids; has always > acted as " good-guy " via some user-ids and as " bad-guy " via others; has > always employed stealth and surreptitious methods with the ultimate > goal of gaining an upper hand over everyone else when it comes to any > Lal Kitab discussion, thus boosting his ego. Prof Suresh Upadhyay is > none other than Pt Madam Bhushan Priya (a self assumed name in which > he, very surprisingly, introduced himself as a woman, a " mother " and a > novice trying to learn Lal Kitab.) Within a couple of months, Prof > Upadhyay disappeared from the then-forum and this " new " woman became a > Lal Kitab " expert " so much so that s/he started his/her own Lal Kitab > group on . With this came the " master > > stroke " – he also started a Lal Kitab " Discussion Group " where he > became the great Gurujee with numerous (imaginary) disciples studying > Lal Kitab under his tutelage. These " disciples " were all fake user-ids > manufactured by PSU as needed – the number of such fake chelas is > unknown. > > > > In his forum, he has always been very careful to censor any > dissenting opinion and delete Emails that question his tactics. In the > process, many have been banned who were writing things that were > inconvenient to PSU. Yet he unabashedly accepted mails from a few > misguided and immature individuals who were openly taking pot shots at > some others. Even Lal Kitab1941 (Gutka) transliterated by Sh Yograj > was not spared. On the one hand PSU lauded the attempt and on the > other hand, he let the same malicious people splash mud at the > wonderful book and the people associated with it. Topics that were/are > being discussed in AstroStudents forum were (and are) regularly > hijacked to the great Gurujee's forum; even irrelevant non-topics from > some pea-brained individuals were published as long as they splashed > mud at some particular individuals, yours truly included. PSU really > stooped low! At times PSU acted extremely abrasive, while at others he > acted as a naive > > person with the express intent of be-fooling others. He has used > circular logic, ignored the basic point of an inconvenient discussion > and has never for once, conceded that he ever made a mistake. One > example: Steel ring as a remedial measure suggested in Mercury 12 - > through his illogical logic he has always maintained that the ring has > to be open-ended and that is what he prescribes because once he > has " pronounced " that, he won't rectify his mistake. This is despite > the fact that I tried to correct him numerous times on this particular > topic, sharing with one and all what Pt Rup Chand jee had to say about > this remedial measure. He would have none of it – he firmly believes > that he knows more than the originator of the system! Many of us have > known about PSU's strange behavior for a long time but never said a > word about it. As a moderator at another Lal Kitab group, I used to > receive emails about this " fake id " business quite > > regularly but out of respect and decency towards a senior person > and a former educator, I decided to reject/delete/edit such mails. It > does not matter, if that is how he gets his kicks - let it be. But > repeatedly, he has crossed the limit of what is tolerable. On all > possible occasions, he has, through his various fake ids, tried to > blow the trumpet of Pt Krishan Ashant's blatant lies about Pt Rup > Chand jee and as recently as a few weeks ago, he called Pt Jee a > mere " scribe. " I state very emphatically that this is crude, mean, > low-class and vulgar – these are the politest words I can use. (When I > say 'he' I mean one of his user-ids, his creation, his make-believe > world.) Not only that, he even gloated in the recent past that there > is no material ever written by Pt Rup Chand jee post-1952 that is in > his son's (Pt Som Dutt jee's) or anyone else's possession and that if > there is any such Lal Kitab related material, it must be " brought to > > Aligarh " " for authentication. " Come on Prof Upadhyay, get real and > get off your imaginary high horse. Your " virtual disciples " and the > vaporous " Aligarh Group " will decide the authenticity of Lal Kitab? > Get a life! Many seniors have laughed at this suggestion while others > have pitied the so-called Aligarh Group's " intellect. " > > > > Although a scholar, PSU has been displaying a severe psychological > aberration. He wants to be known and recognized as the high priest of > Lal Kitab and lives in a fantasy world where he visualizes himself > sitting at a high pedestal with numerous of his disciples standing > around with bowed heads and folded hands, awaiting the words of wisdom > - " The Oracle has spake. " Why did he have to " change " his persona into > a woman, Pt Bhushan Priya, who by " her " own admission, (also) taught > at IIT, and had the same credentials as Prof Upadhyay, " She " went to a > conference at IIT, Kharagpur as advertised in " her " " Discussion Group " > (Little known to " her " that we have a copy of the names of invited > guests and those who attended – " Priya " was NOT one of them, Prof > Upadhyay was.) A liar always gets caught in his/her own web. As Priya, > " she " also said, while writing to a woman, " ... as a mother myself I > know your feelings... " Why all this deceit and > > that too in the name of Lal Kitab? Don't you have any qualms about it? > > > > To express his opinion and to spread the word, Prof Upadhyay would > have earned a lot more respect had he started his own Lal Kitab blog. > He didn't have to have a " spokesperson " in " Varun Trivedi " who, it > seems, had nothing to do all day long except to wait for the great > Gurujee to issue a farmaan or issue clarification or explanation – > this chela knew everything! (Even now this " maanas chela " is > explaining and writing and fielding questions even though the cat is > out of the bag; thanks to Sh Ratan jee.) > > > > I know that I am not setting a good example for our new members and > I know numerous seniors will be pained to read this. But I can't > tolerate Prof Upadhyay continually and knowingly spreading lies > and misinformation about Lal Kitab and Pt Rup Chand Jee. I have > expressed to him in the past internet discussions and will do so > again, that his methodology of dispensing Lal Kitab Remedies Forum is > also patently WRONG. He never ever verifies the correctness of a > horoscope - his remedial measures are as if they came from a ready > reckoner that he has compiled. Per Mr. Finn Wandahl, a scholar of > Vedic astrology from Denmark (and fortunately a good friend) " A > horoscope is always incorrect unless verified. " [You have seen Emails > from him from time to time. He was trained under some of the greatest > astrologers of India including Prof B V Raman and he has spent > numerous years studying Nadi and Bhrigu methods of astrology; > currently Lal Kitab is his big > > passion. He is a one of Europe's premier professional astrologers.] > Mr. Wandahl > > is among the few who live by the golden rule of Lal Kitab - `VERIFY > BEFORE YOU SPECIFY'.) Many of us, if we can't verify the > correctness/validity of a horoscope, refuse to go any further with > it. We can't act like quacks who must inject something into a patient > whether they are able to diagnose the problem or not. Prof Upadhyay > has chosen to ignore this ethical responsibility. The prescriber of a > (possibly wrong) remedial measure is committing a sin. > > > > In the end, I do pray to Almighty to put Prof Upadhyay on the right > path. He is a learned person and should desist from such unbecoming > activities. It really pains me to write such a long Email criticizing > him but the truth has to be told and has to triumph. > > > > My apologies for such ramblings. > > > > Rajinder Bhatia > > > -- Dr. Shiv Dev Kalsi,Jyotish Rishi (AIFAS)Consultant (Vedic Astrology) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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