Guest guest Posted November 10, 2008 Report Share Posted November 10, 2008 Dear JitinBefore proceeding further, I would like to present the exact text in this regard from LK-1952 Page no. 43-44 under the heading Dharmi Greh for your kind perusal:"Paapi greh Saneechar Rahu Ketu teeno hi hain, Rahu aur Ketu khana number 4 mein paap chhodney ka chandar ke saamney halaf uthatey hain. Saneechar khana number 11 mein Brahaspat Guru ko hazir nazir samajhkar Rahu Ketu ke paida kiye gaye papon ka faisla karta hai. Yaani agar Rahu Ketu khana number 4 ya chandaar ke sath kisi bhi ghar hon aur (2) Sanichar khana number 11 ya Brahaspat ke sath kisi bhi ghar mein ho, to aise tewe mein paap ya paapi dono ka hi bura asar na hoga ur sab grah dharmi hongey. Ye sharat nahi ki paapi greah aisi halat mein baithey huye uttam phal zarur hi dengey. halaf sirf itna hai ki paap nahi karengey,"That means any of the following placemnts makes a chart a Dharmi Tewa i.e. a pious Chart: (1). Rahu in house no.4(2). Ketu in house no. 4(3). Rahu with Moon in any house(4). Ketu with Moon in any house(5). Saturn in house no. 11 (6). Saturn with Jupiter in any houseI look this scenarion from a different perspective. If you see this from a spiritual standpoint perhaps you will be able to know its true nature. Dharmi Tewa (a pious horoscope) is a great blessing. Kindly onesebe that a mere presence of a particularr planet or combination as per the detail given above can change the outcome the whole horoscope. Isnt it a blessing? Age of a native is normlly determined/seen by the position of Moon in the chart. but in case of a Dharmi Tewa it is seen/determined from the 11 house. "Umar ka faisala Saneechar Brahaspat waley tewe ke liye Kundli ke khana number 11 ke greh karengey. Aise tewe mein Drishti vaa upayo vagairah aam tewe se faraq par hongey , yaani khas khas khanon mein khas khas grehon hi maqarrah drishti hogi, jinki roo se faisla hoga."(LK-1941 Page no. 399)Another unique feature of a Dharmi Tewa is that evey house is under the Direct Drishti of a particular planet, e.g. 2nd House is under the direct drishti of Jupiter, 3rd house is under the direct Drishti of Marcury,4th house is under the direct Drishti of Moon, 5th house is under the direct Drishti of Sun, 6th house is under the direct Drishti of Rahu,8th house is under the direct Drishti of Mars, 10th house is under the direct Drishti of Satrun, 11th house is under the direct Drishti of Venus 12th house is under the direct drishti of Ketu. Dont you feel that the native has divine surveillance cum protection from almost every possible corner? This is not an ordinary Phenomenon my friend. After having such a great gift, the only thing required from the native's end is the strict discipline and self-restraint. Because any deviation from the right path may spoil everything.We, the Astrotudents Group believes that the native with Dharmi Tewa is a blessed rather a chosen one. As Once Shri Nirmal Bhardwaj ji wrote correctly that a person with Dharmi Tewa is sent to the earth with a cheque book having thousands of leaves signed by God, with the assurance that every cheque (of any amount) issued by him will be duly honoured. But on the last page, there is a line with words "Conditions Apply". And the condition is that evey amount withdrawn shall be debited to the natives account. So he must keep his debit-credit square all the time. I will try to describe this Debit-credit notion in the follwing lines. You have mentioned some really significant Characteristics of the Dharmi tewa, and I totally agree with you. You have wriiten:1. the person has a very simple living and very few hobbies or pass-time.2. the native can never dare to do any harm to others.3. always love to help others4. usually loves drinking and fond of non-veg.I with your kind permission, would like to amend a little the aove-mentioned lines and addi a few more (these are my strictly my personal views): 1. the person Should have a very simple living but high thinking and must not waste his time in useless hobbies or pass-time.2. The native must never try to harm anyone.3. Should always try to help others4. Must refrain from drinking and non-veg (Tamsik) food.5. Should take a sound sleep. Sona (Gold) and Sona (Sleep) belongs to jupiter.6. Should try to find a Guru in shape of a living human or an ideology .7. Should try to have a spiritual background.8. Should speak only when it is required.9. Telling remedies to non-eligibles is like issuing checques from own account. 10.For keping the debit-credit square, a regular meditation etc. is a must.11.Any illicit relations will be fatal.12.Self-control is the best remedial measure for such persons. Would like to hear more from Gurujans in this regard.SincerelyYograj Prabhakar , "jitinsyal82" <jitinsyal82 wrote:>> pranam all my seniors and gurujans.> > i haven't seen much(if any at all) discussion on this topic. i know > that jupiter+saturn any where in chart, saturn in 11th, > moon+rahu/ketu anywhere in chart and rahu/ketu in 4th house makes > a 'dharmi tewa' or a pious chart.> but what is dharmi tewa? i mean why is it different from others?Even > while reading, analysing the chart and prescribing remedies dharmi > tewa changes the whole equation.> > i myself have jupiter+saturn in 5th and find few similarities between > other ppl with this combination.> 1. the person has a very simple living and very few hobbies or pass-> time.> 2. the native can never dare to do any harm to others.> 3. always love to help others> 4. usually loves drinking and fond of non-veg.> > but then again this is my view/conclusion(which might be wrong) from > 5-6 dharmi tewa i have seen, i am sure there are senior members in > this forum who have come across thousands of these charts and i very > kindly request these members to please share their knowledge with us > and let me and other keen learners understand this concept better.> > yours respectfully> jitin syal> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 10, 2008 Report Share Posted November 10, 2008 well once again it's my sheer good luck that a person of your knowledge and caliber has taken his precious time out to reply and explain the whole concept better. the guidelines written in LK and elaborated so beautifully by yourself today has certainly helped me and other keen learners. i do though request some more elaboration on the drishtis u have mentioned i.e 2nd house having direct drishti of jupiter, 3rd house having direct drishtis of mercury and so on. does that mean that regardless of the placement of these planets the respective house would be considered as alive or'jaage huye'(due to drishti concept)? and also if any planet(s) is/are placed in these houses then they would be automatically alive due to these special drishti rule? thanks heaps in advance. yours respectfully jitin syal , " Yograj Prabhakar " <yr_prabhakar wrote: > > Dear Jitin > > Before proceeding further, I would like to present the exact text in > this regard from LK-1952 Page no. 43-44 under the heading Dharmi Greh > for your kind perusal: > > " Paapi greh Saneechar Rahu Ketu teeno hi hain, Rahu aur Ketu khana > number 4 mein paap chhodney ka chandar ke saamney halaf uthatey hain. > Saneechar khana number 11 mein Brahaspat Guru ko hazir nazir samajhkar > Rahu Ketu ke paida kiye gaye papon ka faisla karta hai. Yaani agar Rahu > Ketu khana number 4 ya chandaar ke sath kisi bhi ghar hon aur (2) > Sanichar khana number 11 ya Brahaspat ke sath kisi bhi ghar mein ho, to > aise tewe mein paap ya paapi dono ka hi bura asar na hoga ur sab grah > dharmi hongey. Ye sharat nahi ki paapi greah aisi halat mein baithey > huye uttam phal zarur hi dengey. halaf sirf itna hai ki paap nahi > karengey, " > > That means any of the following placemnts makes a chart a Dharmi Tewa > i.e. a pious Chart: > > (1). Rahu in house no.4 > (2). Ketu in house no. 4 > (3). Rahu with Moon in any house > (4). Ketu with Moon in any house > (5). Saturn in house no. 11 > (6). Saturn with Jupiter in any house > > I look this scenarion from a different perspective. If you see this from > a spiritual standpoint perhaps you will be able to know its true nature. > Dharmi Tewa (a pious horoscope) is a great blessing. Kindly onesebe that > a mere presence of a particularr planet or combination as per the detail > given above can change the outcome the whole horoscope. Isnt it a > blessing? > > Age of a native is normlly determined/seen by the position of Moon in > the chart. but in case of a Dharmi Tewa it is seen/determined from the > 11 house. > > " Umar ka faisala Saneechar Brahaspat waley tewe ke liye Kundli ke khana > number 11 ke greh karengey. Aise tewe mein Drishti vaa upayo vagairah > aam tewe se faraq par hongey , yaani khas khas khanon mein khas khas > grehon hi maqarrah drishti hogi, jinki roo se faisla hoga. " > (LK-1941 Page no. 399) > > Another unique feature of a Dharmi Tewa is that evey house is under the > Direct Drishti of a particular planet, e.g. > 2nd House is under the direct drishti of Jupiter, > 3rd house is under the direct Drishti of Marcury, > 4th house is under the direct Drishti of Moon, > 5th house is under the direct Drishti of Sun, > 6th house is under the direct Drishti of Rahu, > 8th house is under the direct Drishti of Mars, > 10th house is under the direct Drishti of Satrun, > 11th house is under the direct Drishti of Venus > 12th house is under the direct drishti of Ketu. > > Dont you feel that the native has divine surveillance cum protection > from almost every possible corner? This is not an ordinary Phenomenon my > friend. After having such a great gift, the only thing required from the > native's end is the strict discipline and self-restraint. Because any > deviation from the right path may spoil everything. > > We, the Astrotudents Group believes that the native with Dharmi Tewa is > a blessed rather a chosen one. As Once Shri Nirmal Bhardwaj ji wrote > correctly that a person with Dharmi Tewa is sent to the earth with a > cheque book having thousands of leaves signed by God, with the assurance > that every cheque (of any amount) issued by him will be duly honoured. > But on the last page, there is a line with words " Conditions Apply " . And > the condition is that evey amount withdrawn shall be debited to the > natives account. So he must keep his debit-credit square all the time. I > will try to describe this Debit-credit notion in the follwing lines. > > You have mentioned some really significant Characteristics of the Dharmi > tewa, and I totally agree with you. You have wriiten: > > 1. the person has a very simple living and very few hobbies or > pass-time. > 2. the native can never dare to do any harm to others. > 3. always love to help others > 4. usually loves drinking and fond of non-veg. > > I with your kind permission, would like to amend a little the > aove-mentioned lines and addi a few more (these are my strictly my > personal views): > > 1. the person Should have a very simple living but high thinking and > must not waste his time in useless hobbies or pass-time. > 2. The native must never try to harm anyone. > 3. Should always try to help others > 4. Must refrain from drinking and non-veg (Tamsik) food. > 5. Should take a sound sleep. Sona (Gold) and Sona (Sleep) belongs to > jupiter. > 6. Should try to find a Guru in shape of a living human or an ideology . > 7. Should try to have a spiritual background. > 8. Should speak only when it is required. > 9. Telling remedies to non-eligibles is like issuing checques from own > account. > 10.For keping the debit-credit square, a regular meditation etc. is a > must. > 11.Any illicit relations will be fatal. > 12.Self-control is the best remedial measure for such persons. > > Would like to hear more from Gurujans in this regard. > > Sincerely > Yograj Prabhakar > > > , " jitinsyal82 " <jitinsyal82@> > wrote: > > > > pranam all my seniors and gurujans. > > > > i haven't seen much(if any at all) discussion on this topic. i know > > that jupiter+saturn any where in chart, saturn in 11th, > > moon+rahu/ketu anywhere in chart and rahu/ketu in 4th house makes > > a 'dharmi tewa' or a pious chart. > > but what is dharmi tewa? i mean why is it different from others? Even > > while reading, analysing the chart and prescribing remedies dharmi > > tewa changes the whole equation. > > > > i myself have jupiter+saturn in 5th and find few similarities between > > other ppl with this combination. > > 1. the person has a very simple living and very few hobbies or pass- > > time. > > 2. the native can never dare to do any harm to others. > > 3. always love to help others > > 4. usually loves drinking and fond of non-veg. > > > > but then again this is my view/conclusion(which might be wrong) from > > 5-6 dharmi tewa i have seen, i am sure there are senior members in > > this forum who have come across thousands of these charts and i very > > kindly request these members to please share their knowledge with us > > and let me and other keen learners understand this concept better. > > > > yours respectfully > > jitin syal > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 24, 2008 Report Share Posted November 24, 2008 dear Prabhakar ji, going a little of the track from dharmi tewa. u r very right that the 35 year cycle at birth may start with any of the planets. Could u please elaborate as to how to find out the operative planet at birth for a given horoscope as par 35 years claculations. With best wishes;, kiranjit--- On Mon, 11/24/08, Yograj Prabhakar <yr_prabhakar wrote: Yograj Prabhakar <yr_prabhakar Re: dharmi tewa Date: Monday, November 24, 2008, 5:11 PM Respected Finn Sahib,You explained this 11 lines example (LK-1952, Page 975) beautifully; please accept my heartiest congratulations for this wonderful post. With your permission, I am reproducing the full Para Quoted by you with slight corrections (forgive me for capital letters) to make the things easier to understand as there are many flaws in the English translated book. (Quote)Houses built between the age of 17 and 19. Sister born after 3 years. Malefic effect of Mercury til the age of 17.Venus No. 11 - contact with women. Jupiter No. 11 - MERE IMAGINATION, and FINALLY THE RESULT OF KETU 4 - NOCTURNAL EMISSION and MASTURBATION BEGAN, THAT REACHED TO ITS PEAK DURING THE AGE OF 21. Rahu's waves moving in circle of Mercury at 21. Suicidal tendencies and signs of madness EMERGED. IN FACT, PROBLEM OF LACK OF SEMEN REMAINED HIDDEN IN THE BACKDROP, AND THE PROPOSALS FOR MARRIAGE PROVED FUTILE.(I think Pundit ji probably indicated that reason behind his mental status and suicidal attitude was the result of likely impotency because of nocturnal emission and masturbation that caused the floundering of marriage proposals).You have further written that:\\As we all know, the first six years of life any horoscope is ruled by Saturn as per the 35-years circulation. ...\\I am afraid this is not correct; the 35-year circle may begin with any of the 9 planets. In the present example Saturn does not fit anywhere, neither as per the serial numbers given to planets in the 35-year circulation neither according to its placement in the horoscope to be the first planet of 35-year circulation. RespectfullyYograj Prabhakar, "Finn Wandahl" <finn.wandahl@ ...> wrote:>> Dear Members,> > While following the very interesting debate about Dharmi Tewa, I came to> think about the many cases when a Dharmi Tewa gets combined with one or> more of the other four types of Tewas like, f.ex. Andhey Tewa (Blind> chart) or Nabalig Tewa (Adolescent/ Non-adult chart), etc., meaning when> two or more types of combinations are available in the same horoscope.> This give rise to a number of different variations. This way obviously> Dharmi Tewas comes in all sizes and shapes, and a number of very> interesting observations can be made. In this context I couldn't help> remembering Example No. 17 from the chapter about Annual predictions in> LK-1952, because this chart has some very interesting combined> Tewa-types.> > Example No. 17 is the horoscope of a male person of Scorpio-Asc with> Moon & Mars in 2nd, Ketu in 4th, Sat in 6th, Rahu in 10th, Jup & Ven in> 11th and finally Sun & Merc in the 12th house.> > The chart is a wonderful example of exceptions and contradictive> influences. No doubt the chart must be considered as a Dharmi Tewa since> there is Ketu in 4th and Rahu in 10th, but at the same time the chart> also qualifies as both Nabalig Tewa and Andhey Tewa, as I will explain> later. I think these different and contradictive influences needs to be> taken into account. Therefore a deeper investigation is needed. There is> much more in this chart than what meets the eye.> > Pundit Ji has given the following very brief but brilliant delineation> of the chart, which I will try my best to explain in details, taking it> bit by bit:> > (Quote:) "Houses built between the age of 17 and 19. Sister born after 3> years. Malefic effect of Mercury til the age of 17. Venus No. 11 -> contact with women. Jupiter No. 11 - only airy thoughts and results in> Ketu No. 4 - loss of semen. Helplessness will be peaked at the age of> 21. Rahu's waves moving in circle of Mercury at 21. Suicidal tendencies> and signs of madness. Semen defect remained. Marriage proposal> floundered".> > Why are houses built between age of 17 and 19 years of this person?> > Well, Saturn signifies houses and Saturn is benefic by being in the 6th> and having Ketu behind it. Mercury-Saturn combination by itself means> favourable property, and Sun-Mercury combination gives excellent> results, provided Saturn does not aspect them, which it actually does in> this case. Further, with Sun-Mercury combination, for half period of> Mercury (17 = half of 34), Mercury will not be able to give its separate> effect, and therefore the houses could be built only after the age of> 17.> > Why is a sister born after 3 years?> > As we all know, the first six years of life any horoscope is ruled by> Saturn as per the 35-years circulation. Then if Saturn is in the 6th> house it aspects the planets in the 2nd house with a malefic effect This> is an exception-rule of Lal Kitab. In this case Saturn aspects Mars in> the 2nd house thereby preventing Mars to materialize itself in the form> of a younger brother.> > However, at the same time there is another exception rule in operation> in this chart. It is said in Lal Kitab that when Mercury is in the 12th> house it aspects any planet in the 6th house. Now since both Mercury and> the 6th house indicate sisters, the chart can be said to indicate the> birth of a younger sister, rather than a brother, at that particular> age.> > Then the reading speaks of the Venus-Jupiter combination in the 11th, as> indicating contact with women - BUT only airy thoughts, meaning no> substantial results like engagement, marriage - This is probably the> results of the Venus-Jupiter combination which by itself is said to give> false hopes and wishful thinking. Thus resulting in Ketu No. 4 - loos of> semen (masturbation? ). Perhaps also because there is a 6/8-relationship> (Yoga-dristi) between Ketu in the 4th and Venus-Jupiter in the 11th.> > Why will helplessness be peaked at the age of 21?> > This timing is no doubt related to Rahu, since 21 is half the period of> Rahu (21 = half of 42). The helplessness is partly caused by the malefic> Rahu in the 10th house and partly by Ketu in the 4th. Rahu is destroyed> (malefic) because Jupiter is in the 11th. Further more, Rahu & Ketu in> 4th/10th house not only makes a Dharmi Tewa, it also makes a Nabalig> Tewa, meaning someone who remain adolescent and lacking in maturity.> According to Lal Kitab a person of Nabalig Tewa will always have to seek> help/assistance of others, and this helplessness will peak at 21 in this> case. It could perhaps be argued that the combination of both Dharmi & > Nabalic Tewa in the same chart makes a good disciple but a poor Guru.> But that is another discussion.> > What does it mean that Rahu's waves are moving in the circle of Mercury> at the age of 21 years?> > To know this we need to understand the "Modus operandi" of Rahu in the> 10th house. It is said in LK that Rahu, Ketu or Mercury in the 10th will> move as per dictates of Saturn. If Saturn is benefic, they will be twice> beneficial, otherwise, the reverse. In this case Saturn is benefic being> in the 6th with Ketu behind it. Yes, but Saturn is actually located in> the "Empty Circle of Mercury".> > What is the "Empty Circle of Mercury"?> > Some may think otherwise, but according to my opinion and experience the> "Empty Circle of Mercury" is in the 3rd, 6th, 9th and 12th houses. There> are some good arguments in support of this. It is said in LK that Rahu> and Ketu move within the Circle of Mercury. This makes sense since they> have their exaltations, debilitation and fixed houses in the 3rd, 6th,> 9th and 12th houses. Also Mercury is the only planet capable of> aspecting from ALL of these house, meaning not only from the 3rd and> 6th, like all other planets do, but also from the 9th and 12th (as rules> of exceptions). Thus whenever Mercury activates this evil circle it> becomes like a House of Maya or a Hall of Mirrors, where you see the> illusion of yourself reflected in all kinds of grotesque forms and> shapes.> > Why the suicidal tendencies and signs of madness?> > Well, I think a part of the reason is that Rahu in the 10th is malefic.> Another part is no doubt the fact that Rahu's waves, being transmitted> through Saturn, are moving within the "Empty Circle of Mercury".> > There is however also another possible explanation for this. Earlier I> said this chart was not only a Dharmi Tewa but also an Andhey Tewa,> meaning a Blind chart, both operating simultaniously. It is said in LK> that with a blind chart all planets, incl. Saturn, even if exalted,> would behave like the blind people and Sat will be malefic. The powers> of sight, discrimination, good judgement all gets badly affected.> > But how can this chart be blind when there is only one planet, Rahu, in> the 10th house?> > Please notice that Rahu is malefic, and look very carefully at the 12th> house, the root of Rahu. The Sun is in the 12th house and therefore> there is a conjunction of Rahu and Sun by root. Actually this is all it> takes to turn this into a blind chart.> > In my opinion the suicidal tendencies and signs of madness are the> combined results of a Dharmi Tewa being subject to malefic Rahu, blind> chart indication and the "Empty Circle of Mercury".> > Best regards,> Finn Wandahl> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 24, 2008 Report Share Posted November 24, 2008 Respected Dr. Sahib, Sa'adar Pranaam. for understanding the 35-year circle one must be aware of the crucial concept of " Greh Ka Daura " (tenure), " Greh ka Daura " is the crux of the matter. Actually, this " Daura " is the time when any planet comes to the First house of the horoscope. Any planet that comes on in the Ist house (either in natal of Varsphal chart) will be the first planet of 35-Yar cycle scheme. See the example of the following imaginary planetary configuration of a natal chart: 1st house - empty 2nd house - empty 3rd house - mars 4th house - moon 5th house - Ketu 6th house - Jupiter 7th house - sun+Mer 8th house - venus 9th house - enpty 10th house -empty 11th house - Rahu 12th house -Saturn In this chart, First and second houses are empty. As per the Varshphal chart, planet of the 3rd house (Mars) will come in the 1st house during the 3rd year of native's age. So from this 3rd year his first 35-years Cycle will begin with Mars as the first planet of 35-year cycle, the other planets may follow accordingly. You must have noticed that sometimes back this 35-Saala chakkar was described so maladroitly in another blog that it became a " 35-Saala Ghan-chakkar " since they never considered/studied the important aspect of " Greh Ka Daura " . Respectfully Yograj Prabhakar , kiranjit kumar <kapatjal wrote: > > dear Prabhakar ji, > > going a little of the track from dharmi tewa. > > u r very right that the 35 year cycle at birth may start with any of the planets. > Could u please elaborate as to how to find out the operative planet at birth for a given horoscope as par 35 years claculations. > > With best wishes;, > kiranjit > > --- On Mon, 11/24/08, Yograj Prabhakar <yr_prabhakar wrote: > > Yograj Prabhakar <yr_prabhakar > Re: dharmi tewa > > Monday, November 24, 2008, 5:11 PM Respected Finn Sahib, > > You explained this 11 lines example (LK-1952, Page 975) beautifully; please accept my heartiest congratulations for this wonderful post. With your permission, I am reproducing the full Para Quoted by you with slight corrections (forgive me for capital letters) to make the things easier to understand as there are many flaws in the English translated book. > > (Quote) > Houses built between the age of 17 and 19. > Sister born after 3 years. Malefic effect of Mercury til the age of 17. > Venus No. 11 - contact with women. > Jupiter No. 11 - MERE IMAGINATION, > and FINALLY THE RESULT OF KETU 4 - NOCTURNAL EMISSION and MASTURBATION BEGAN, THAT REACHED TO ITS PEAK DURING THE AGE OF 21. > Rahu's waves moving in circle of Mercury at 21. Suicidal tendencies and signs of madness EMERGED. IN FACT, PROBLEM OF LACK OF SEMEN REMAINED HIDDEN IN THE BACKDROP, AND THE PROPOSALS FOR MARRIAGE PROVED FUTILE. > > (I think Pundit ji probably indicated that reason behind his mental status and suicidal attitude was the result of likely impotency because of nocturnal emission and masturbation that caused the floundering of marriage proposals). > > You have further written that: > \\As we all know, the first six years of life any horoscope is ruled by Saturn as per the 35-years circulation. ...\\ > > I am afraid this is not correct; the 35-year circle may begin with any of the 9 planets. In the present example Saturn does not fit anywhere, neither as per the serial numbers given to planets in the 35-year circulation neither according to its placement in the horoscope to be the first planet of 35-year circulation. > > Respectfully > Yograj Prabhakar > > > , " Finn Wandahl " <finn.wandahl@ ...> wrote: > > > > Dear Members, > > > > While following the very interesting debate about Dharmi Tewa, I came to > > think about the many cases when a Dharmi Tewa gets combined with one or > > more of the other four types of Tewas like, f.ex. Andhey Tewa (Blind > > chart) or Nabalig Tewa (Adolescent/ Non-adult chart), etc., meaning when > > two or more types of combinations are available in the same horoscope. > > This give rise to a number of different variations. This way obviously > > Dharmi Tewas comes in all sizes and shapes, and a number of very > > interesting observations can be made. In this context I couldn't help > > remembering Example No. 17 from the chapter about Annual predictions in > > LK-1952, because this chart has some very interesting combined > > Tewa-types. > > > > Example No. 17 is the horoscope of a male person of Scorpio-Asc with > > Moon & Mars in 2nd, Ketu in 4th, Sat in 6th, Rahu in 10th, Jup & Ven in > > 11th and finally Sun & Merc in the 12th house. > > > > The chart is a wonderful example of exceptions and contradictive > > influences. No doubt the chart must be considered as a Dharmi Tewa since > > there is Ketu in 4th and Rahu in 10th, but at the same time the chart > > also qualifies as both Nabalig Tewa and Andhey Tewa, as I will explain > > later. I think these different and contradictive influences needs to be > > taken into account. Therefore a deeper investigation is needed. There is > > much more in this chart than what meets the eye. > > > > Pundit Ji has given the following very brief but brilliant delineation > > of the chart, which I will try my best to explain in details, taking it > > bit by bit: > > > > (Quote:) " Houses built between the age of 17 and 19. Sister born after 3 > > years. Malefic effect of Mercury til the age of 17. Venus No. 11 - > > contact with women. Jupiter No. 11 - only airy thoughts and results in > > Ketu No. 4 - loss of semen. Helplessness will be peaked at the age of > > 21. Rahu's waves moving in circle of Mercury at 21. Suicidal tendencies > > and signs of madness. Semen defect remained. Marriage proposal > > floundered " . > > > > Why are houses built between age of 17 and 19 years of this person? > > > > Well, Saturn signifies houses and Saturn is benefic by being in the 6th > > and having Ketu behind it. Mercury-Saturn combination by itself means > > favourable property, and Sun-Mercury combination gives excellent > > results, provided Saturn does not aspect them, which it actually does in > > this case. Further, with Sun-Mercury combination, for half period of > > Mercury (17 = half of 34), Mercury will not be able to give its separate > > effect, and therefore the houses could be built only after the age of > > 17. > > > > Why is a sister born after 3 years? > > > > As we all know, the first six years of life any horoscope is ruled by > > Saturn as per the 35-years circulation. Then if Saturn is in the 6th > > house it aspects the planets in the 2nd house with a malefic effect This > > is an exception-rule of Lal Kitab. In this case Saturn aspects Mars in > > the 2nd house thereby preventing Mars to materialize itself in the form > > of a younger brother. > > > > However, at the same time there is another exception rule in operation > > in this chart. It is said in Lal Kitab that when Mercury is in the 12th > > house it aspects any planet in the 6th house. Now since both Mercury and > > the 6th house indicate sisters, the chart can be said to indicate the > > birth of a younger sister, rather than a brother, at that particular > > age. > > > > Then the reading speaks of the Venus-Jupiter combination in the 11th, as > > indicating contact with women - BUT only airy thoughts, meaning no > > substantial results like engagement, marriage - This is probably the > > results of the Venus-Jupiter combination which by itself is said to give > > false hopes and wishful thinking. Thus resulting in Ketu No. 4 - loos of > > semen (masturbation? ). Perhaps also because there is a 6/8-relationship > > (Yoga-dristi) between Ketu in the 4th and Venus-Jupiter in the 11th. > > > > Why will helplessness be peaked at the age of 21? > > > > This timing is no doubt related to Rahu, since 21 is half the period of > > Rahu (21 = half of 42). The helplessness is partly caused by the malefic > > Rahu in the 10th house and partly by Ketu in the 4th. Rahu is destroyed > > (malefic) because Jupiter is in the 11th. Further more, Rahu & Ketu in > > 4th/10th house not only makes a Dharmi Tewa, it also makes a Nabalig > > Tewa, meaning someone who remain adolescent and lacking in maturity. > > According to Lal Kitab a person of Nabalig Tewa will always have to seek > > help/assistance of others, and this helplessness will peak at 21 in this > > case. It could perhaps be argued that the combination of both Dharmi & > > Nabalic Tewa in the same chart makes a good disciple but a poor Guru. > > But that is another discussion. > > > > What does it mean that Rahu's waves are moving in the circle of Mercury > > at the age of 21 years? > > > > To know this we need to understand the " Modus operandi " of Rahu in the > > 10th house. It is said in LK that Rahu, Ketu or Mercury in the 10th will > > move as per dictates of Saturn. If Saturn is benefic, they will be twice > > beneficial, otherwise, the reverse. In this case Saturn is benefic being > > in the 6th with Ketu behind it. Yes, but Saturn is actually located in > > the " Empty Circle of Mercury " . > > > > What is the " Empty Circle of Mercury " ? > > > > Some may think otherwise, but according to my opinion and experience the > > " Empty Circle of Mercury " is in the 3rd, 6th, 9th and 12th houses. There > > are some good arguments in support of this. It is said in LK that Rahu > > and Ketu move within the Circle of Mercury. This makes sense since they > > have their exaltations, debilitation and fixed houses in the 3rd, 6th, > > 9th and 12th houses. Also Mercury is the only planet capable of > > aspecting from ALL of these house, meaning not only from the 3rd and > > 6th, like all other planets do, but also from the 9th and 12th (as rules > > of exceptions). Thus whenever Mercury activates this evil circle it > > becomes like a House of Maya or a Hall of Mirrors, where you see the > > illusion of yourself reflected in all kinds of grotesque forms and > > shapes. > > > > Why the suicidal tendencies and signs of madness? > > > > Well, I think a part of the reason is that Rahu in the 10th is malefic. > > Another part is no doubt the fact that Rahu's waves, being transmitted > > through Saturn, are moving within the " Empty Circle of Mercury " . > > > > There is however also another possible explanation for this. Earlier I > > said this chart was not only a Dharmi Tewa but also an Andhey Tewa, > > meaning a Blind chart, both operating simultaniously. It is said in LK > > that with a blind chart all planets, incl. Saturn, even if exalted, > > would behave like the blind people and Sat will be malefic. The powers > > of sight, discrimination, good judgement all gets badly affected. > > > > But how can this chart be blind when there is only one planet, Rahu, in > > the 10th house? > > > > Please notice that Rahu is malefic, and look very carefully at the 12th > > house, the root of Rahu. The Sun is in the 12th house and therefore > > there is a conjunction of Rahu and Sun by root. Actually this is all it > > takes to turn this into a blind chart. > > > > In my opinion the suicidal tendencies and signs of madness are the > > combined results of a Dharmi Tewa being subject to malefic Rahu, blind > > chart indication and the " Empty Circle of Mercury " . > > > > Best regards, > > Finn Wandahl > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 25, 2008 Report Share Posted November 25, 2008 thanks prabhakar ji. But what if more than one planets r placed in the first house in the natal chart? with best wishes, kiranjit--- On Tue, 11/25/08, Yograj Prabhakar <yr_prabhakar wrote: Yograj Prabhakar <yr_prabhakar Re: dharmi tewa Date: Tuesday, November 25, 2008, 11:37 AM Respected Dr. Sahib,Sa'adar Pranaam.for understanding the 35-year circle one must be aware of the crucialconcept of "Greh Ka Daura" (tenure), "Greh ka Daura" is the crux ofthe matter. Actually, this "Daura" is the time when any planet comesto the First house of the horoscope. Any planet that comes on in theIst house (either in natal of Varsphal chart) will be the first planetof 35-Yar cycle scheme. See the example of the following imaginaryplanetary configuration of a natal chart:1st house - empty2nd house - empty3rd house - mars4th house - moon5th house - Ketu6th house - Jupiter7th house - sun+Mer8th house - venus9th house - enpty10th house -empty11th house - Rahu12th house -Saturn In this chart, First and second houses are empty. As per the Varshphalchart, planet of the 3rd house (Mars) will come in the 1st houseduring the 3rd year of native's age. So from this 3rd year his first35-years Cycle will begin with Mars as the first planet of 35-yearcycle, the other planets may follow accordingly.You must have noticed that sometimes back this 35-Saala chakkar wasdescribed so maladroitly in another blog that it became a "35-SaalaGhan-chakkar" since they never considered/studied the important aspectof "Greh Ka Daura". RespectfullyYograj Prabhakar, kiranjit kumar <kapatjal@.. .> wrote:>> dear Prabhakar ji,> > going a little of the track from dharmi tewa.> > u r very right that the 35 year cycle at birth may start with any ofthe planets.> Could u please elaborate as to how to find out the operative planetat birth for a given horoscope as par 35 years claculations.> > With best wishes;,> kiranjit> > --- On Mon, 11/24/08, Yograj Prabhakar <yr_prabhakar@ ...> wrote:> > Yograj Prabhakar <yr_prabhakar@ ...>> Re: dharmi tewa> > Monday, November 24, 2008, 5:11 PM> > > > > > > Respected Finn Sahib,> > You explained this 11 lines example (LK-1952, Page 975) beautifully;please accept my heartiest congratulations for this wonderful post.With your permission, I am reproducing the full Para Quoted by youwith slight corrections (forgive me for capital letters) to make thethings easier to understand as there are many flaws in the Englishtranslated book. > > (Quote)> Houses built between the age of 17 and 19. > Sister born after 3 years. Malefic effect of Mercury til the age of 17.> Venus No. 11 - contact with women. > Jupiter No. 11 - MERE IMAGINATION, > and FINALLY THE RESULT OF KETU 4 - NOCTURNAL EMISSION andMASTURBATION BEGAN, THAT REACHED TO ITS PEAK DURING THE AGE OF 21. > Rahu's waves moving in circle of Mercury at 21. Suicidal tendenciesand signs of madness EMERGED. IN FACT, PROBLEM OF LACK OF SEMENREMAINED HIDDEN IN THE BACKDROP, AND THE PROPOSALS FOR MARRIAGE PROVEDFUTILE.> > (I think Pundit ji probably indicated that reason behind his mentalstatus and suicidal attitude was the result of likely impotencybecause of nocturnal emission and masturbation that caused thefloundering of marriage proposals).> > You have further written that:> \\As we all know, the first six years of life any horoscope is ruledby Saturn as per the 35-years circulation. ...\\> > I am afraid this is not correct; the 35-year circle may begin withany of the 9 planets. In the present example Saturn does not fitanywhere, neither as per the serial numbers given to planets in the35-year circulation neither according to its placement in thehoroscope to be the first planet of 35-year circulation. > > Respectfully> Yograj Prabhakar> > > , "Finn Wandahl"<finn.wandahl@ ...> wrote:> >> > Dear Members,> > > > While following the very interesting debate about Dharmi Tewa, Icame to> > think about the many cases when a Dharmi Tewa gets combined withone or> > more of the other four types of Tewas like, f.ex. Andhey Tewa (Blind> > chart) or Nabalig Tewa (Adolescent/ Non-adult chart), etc.,meaning when> > two or more types of combinations are available in the same horoscope.> > This give rise to a number of different variations. This way obviously> > Dharmi Tewas comes in all sizes and shapes, and a number of very> > interesting observations can be made. In this context I couldn't help> > remembering Example No. 17 from the chapter about Annualpredictions in> > LK-1952, because this chart has some very interesting combined> > Tewa-types.> > > > Example No. 17 is the horoscope of a male person of Scorpio-Asc with> > Moon & Mars in 2nd, Ketu in 4th, Sat in 6th, Rahu in 10th, Jup & Ven in> > 11th and finally Sun & Merc in the 12th house.> > > > The chart is a wonderful example of exceptions and contradictive> > influences. No doubt the chart must be considered as a Dharmi Tewasince> > there is Ketu in 4th and Rahu in 10th, but at the same time the chart> > also qualifies as both Nabalig Tewa and Andhey Tewa, as I will explain> > later. I think these different and contradictive influences needsto be> > taken into account. Therefore a deeper investigation is needed.There is> > much more in this chart than what meets the eye.> > > > Pundit Ji has given the following very brief but brilliant delineation> > of the chart, which I will try my best to explain in details,taking it> > bit by bit:> > > > (Quote:) "Houses built between the age of 17 and 19. Sister bornafter 3> > years. Malefic effect of Mercury til the age of 17. Venus No. 11 -> > contact with women. Jupiter No. 11 - only airy thoughts and results in> > Ketu No. 4 - loss of semen. Helplessness will be peaked at the age of> > 21. Rahu's waves moving in circle of Mercury at 21. Suicidaltendencies> > and signs of madness. Semen defect remained. Marriage proposal> > floundered".> > > > Why are houses built between age of 17 and 19 years of this person?> > > > Well, Saturn signifies houses and Saturn is benefic by being inthe 6th> > and having Ketu behind it. Mercury-Saturn combination by itself means> > favourable property, and Sun-Mercury combination gives excellent> > results, provided Saturn does not aspect them, which it actuallydoes in> > this case. Further, with Sun-Mercury combination, for half period of> > Mercury (17 = half of 34), Mercury will not be able to give itsseparate> > effect, and therefore the houses could be built only after the age of> > 17.> > > > Why is a sister born after 3 years?> > > > As we all know, the first six years of life any horoscope is ruled by> > Saturn as per the 35-years circulation. Then if Saturn is in the 6th> > house it aspects the planets in the 2nd house with a maleficeffect This> > is an exception-rule of Lal Kitab. In this case Saturn aspects Mars in> > the 2nd house thereby preventing Mars to materialize itself in theform> > of a younger brother.> > > > However, at the same time there is another exception rule in operation> > in this chart. It is said in Lal Kitab that when Mercury is in the12th> > house it aspects any planet in the 6th house. Now since bothMercury and> > the 6th house indicate sisters, the chart can be said to indicate the> > birth of a younger sister, rather than a brother, at that particular> > age.> > > > Then the reading speaks of the Venus-Jupiter combination in the11th, as> > indicating contact with women - BUT only airy thoughts, meaning no> > substantial results like engagement, marriage - This is probably the> > results of the Venus-Jupiter combination which by itself is saidto give> > false hopes and wishful thinking. Thus resulting in Ketu No. 4 -loos of> > semen (masturbation? ). Perhaps also because there is a6/8-relationship> > (Yoga-dristi) between Ketu in the 4th and Venus-Jupiter in the 11th.> > > > Why will helplessness be peaked at the age of 21?> > > > This timing is no doubt related to Rahu, since 21 is half theperiod of> > Rahu (21 = half of 42). The helplessness is partly caused by themalefic> > Rahu in the 10th house and partly by Ketu in the 4th. Rahu isdestroyed> > (malefic) because Jupiter is in the 11th. Further more, Rahu & Ketu in> > 4th/10th house not only makes a Dharmi Tewa, it also makes a Nabalig> > Tewa, meaning someone who remain adolescent and lacking in maturity.> > According to Lal Kitab a person of Nabalig Tewa will always haveto seek> > help/assistance of others, and this helplessness will peak at 21in this> > case. It could perhaps be argued that the combination of both Dharmi & > > Nabalic Tewa in the same chart makes a good disciple but a poor Guru.> > But that is another discussion.> > > > What does it mean that Rahu's waves are moving in the circle ofMercury> > at the age of 21 years?> > > > To know this we need to understand the "Modus operandi" of Rahu in the> > 10th house. It is said in LK that Rahu, Ketu or Mercury in the10th will> > move as per dictates of Saturn. If Saturn is benefic, they will betwice> > beneficial, otherwise, the reverse. In this case Saturn is beneficbeing> > in the 6th with Ketu behind it. Yes, but Saturn is actually located in> > the "Empty Circle of Mercury".> > > > What is the "Empty Circle of Mercury"?> > > > Some may think otherwise, but according to my opinion andexperience the> > "Empty Circle of Mercury" is in the 3rd, 6th, 9th and 12th houses.There> > are some good arguments in support of this. It is said in LK that Rahu> > and Ketu move within the Circle of Mercury. This makes sense sincethey> > have their exaltations, debilitation and fixed houses in the 3rd, 6th,> > 9th and 12th houses. Also Mercury is the only planet capable of> > aspecting from ALL of these house, meaning not only from the 3rd and> > 6th, like all other planets do, but also from the 9th and 12th (asrules> > of exceptions). Thus whenever Mercury activates this evil circle it> > becomes like a House of Maya or a Hall of Mirrors, where you see the> > illusion of yourself reflected in all kinds of grotesque forms and> > shapes.> > > > Why the suicidal tendencies and signs of madness?> > > > Well, I think a part of the reason is that Rahu in the 10th ismalefic.> > Another part is no doubt the fact that Rahu's waves, being transmitted> > through Saturn, are moving within the "Empty Circle of Mercury".> > > > There is however also another possible explanation for this. Earlier I> > said this chart was not only a Dharmi Tewa but also an Andhey Tewa,> > meaning a Blind chart, both operating simultaniously. It is said in LK> > that with a blind chart all planets, incl. Saturn, even if exalted,> > would behave like the blind people and Sat will be malefic. The powers> > of sight, discrimination, good judgement all gets badly affected.> > > > But how can this chart be blind when there is only one planet,Rahu, in> > the 10th house?> > > > Please notice that Rahu is malefic, and look very carefully at the12th> > house, the root of Rahu. The Sun is in the 12th house and therefore> > there is a conjunction of Rahu and Sun by root. Actually this isall it> > takes to turn this into a blind chart.> > > > In my opinion the suicidal tendencies and signs of madness are the> > combined results of a Dharmi Tewa being subject to malefic Rahu, blind> > chart indication and the "Empty Circle of Mercury".> > > > Best regards,> > Finn Wandahl> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 25, 2008 Report Share Posted November 25, 2008 Respected Dr Sahib,Sa'adar Pranaam.Sir, In case of more than one planet in one house, we have to follow the serial number given to each planet in the 35-year cycle. RespectfullyYograj Prabhakar--- On Tue, 25/11/08, kiranjit kumar <kapatjal wrote:kiranjit kumar <kapatjalRe: Re: dharmi tewa Date: Tuesday, 25 November, 2008, 7:33 PM thanks prabhakar ji. But what if more than one planets r placed in the first house in the natal chart? with best wishes, kiranjit--- On Tue, 11/25/08, Yograj Prabhakar <yr_prabhakar@ > wrote: Yograj Prabhakar <yr_prabhakar@ > Re: dharmi tewaTuesday, November 25, 2008, 11:37 AM Respected Dr. Sahib,Sa'adar Pranaam.for understanding the 35-year circle one must be aware of the crucialconcept of "Greh Ka Daura" (tenure), "Greh ka Daura" is the crux ofthe matter. Actually, this "Daura" is the time when any planet comesto the First house of the horoscope. Any planet that comes on in theIst house (either in natal of Varsphal chart) will be the first planetof 35-Yar cycle scheme. See the example of the following imaginaryplanetary configuration of a natal chart:1st house - empty2nd house - empty3rd house - mars4th house - moon5th house - Ketu6th house - Jupiter7th house - sun+Mer8th house - venus9th house - enpty10th house -empty11th house - Rahu12th house -Saturn In this chart, First and second houses are empty. As per the Varshphalchart, planet of the 3rd house (Mars) will come in the 1st houseduring the 3rd year of native's age. So from this 3rd year his first35-years Cycle will begin with Mars as the first planet of 35-yearcycle, the other planets may follow accordingly.You must have noticed that sometimes back this 35-Saala chakkar wasdescribed so maladroitly in another blog that it became a "35-SaalaGhan-chakkar" since they never considered/studied the important aspectof "Greh Ka Daura". RespectfullyYograj Prabhakar, kiranjit kumar <kapatjal@.. .> wrote:>> dear Prabhakar ji,> > going a little of the track from dharmi tewa.> > u r very right that the 35 year cycle at birth may start with any ofthe planets.> Could u please elaborate as to how to find out the operative planetat birth for a given horoscope as par 35 years claculations.> > With best wishes;,> kiranjit> > --- On Mon, 11/24/08, Yograj Prabhakar <yr_prabhakar@ ....> wrote:> > Yograj Prabhakar <yr_prabhakar@ ...>> Re: dharmi tewa> > Monday, November 24, 2008, 5:11 PM> > > > > > > Respected Finn Sahib,> > You explained this 11 lines example (LK-1952, Page 975) beautifully;please accept my heartiest congratulations for this wonderful post.With your permission, I am reproducing the full Para Quoted by youwith slight corrections (forgive me for capital letters) to make thethings easier to understand as there are many flaws in the Englishtranslated book. > > (Quote)> Houses built between the age of 17 and 19. > Sister born after 3 years. Malefic effect of Mercury til the age of 17.> Venus No. 11 - contact with women. > Jupiter No. 11 - MERE IMAGINATION, > and FINALLY THE RESULT OF KETU 4 - NOCTURNAL EMISSION andMASTURBATION BEGAN, THAT REACHED TO ITS PEAK DURING THE AGE OF 21. > Rahu's waves moving in circle of Mercury at 21. Suicidal tendenciesand signs of madness EMERGED. IN FACT, PROBLEM OF LACK OF SEMENREMAINED HIDDEN IN THE BACKDROP, AND THE PROPOSALS FOR MARRIAGE PROVEDFUTILE.> > (I think Pundit ji probably indicated that reason behind his mentalstatus and suicidal attitude was the result of likely impotencybecause of nocturnal emission and masturbation that caused thefloundering of marriage proposals).> > You have further written that:> \\As we all know, the first six years of life any horoscope is ruledby Saturn as per the 35-years circulation. ...\\> > I am afraid this is not correct; the 35-year circle may begin withany of the 9 planets. In the present example Saturn does not fitanywhere, neither as per the serial numbers given to planets in the35-year circulation neither according to its placement in thehoroscope to be the first planet of 35-year circulation. > > Respectfully> Yograj Prabhakar> > > @ .. com, "Finn Wandahl"<finn.wandahl@ ...> wrote:> >> > Dear Members,> > > > While following the very interesting debate about Dharmi Tewa, Icame to> > think about the many cases when a Dharmi Tewa gets combined withone or> > more of the other four types of Tewas like, f.ex. Andhey Tewa (Blind> > chart) or Nabalig Tewa (Adolescent/ Non-adult chart), etc.,meaning when> > two or more types of combinations are available in the same horoscope.> > This give rise to a number of different variations. This way obviously> > Dharmi Tewas comes in all sizes and shapes, and a number of very> > interesting observations can be made. In this context I couldn't help> > remembering Example No. 17 from the chapter about Annualpredictions in> > LK-1952, because this chart has some very interesting combined> > Tewa-types.> > > > Example No. 17 is the horoscope of a male person of Scorpio-Asc with> > Moon & Mars in 2nd, Ketu in 4th, Sat in 6th, Rahu in 10th, Jup & Ven in> > 11th and finally Sun & Merc in the 12th house.> > > > The chart is a wonderful example of exceptions and contradictive> > influences. No doubt the chart must be considered as a Dharmi Tewasince> > there is Ketu in 4th and Rahu in 10th, but at the same time the chart> > also qualifies as both Nabalig Tewa and Andhey Tewa, as I will explain> > later. I think these different and contradictive influences needsto be> > taken into account. Therefore a deeper investigation is needed.There is> > much more in this chart than what meets the eye.> > > > Pundit Ji has given the following very brief but brilliant delineation> > of the chart, which I will try my best to explain in details,taking it> > bit by bit:> > > > (Quote:) "Houses built between the age of 17 and 19. Sister bornafter 3> > years. Malefic effect of Mercury til the age of 17. Venus No. 11 -> > contact with women. Jupiter No. 11 - only airy thoughts and results in> > Ketu No. 4 - loss of semen. Helplessness will be peaked at the age of> > 21. Rahu's waves moving in circle of Mercury at 21. Suicidaltendencies> > and signs of madness. Semen defect remained. Marriage proposal> > floundered".> > > > Why are houses built between age of 17 and 19 years of this person?> > > > Well, Saturn signifies houses and Saturn is benefic by being inthe 6th> > and having Ketu behind it. Mercury-Saturn combination by itself means> > favourable property, and Sun-Mercury combination gives excellent> > results, provided Saturn does not aspect them, which it actuallydoes in> > this case. Further, with Sun-Mercury combination, for half period of> > Mercury (17 = half of 34), Mercury will not be able to give itsseparate> > effect, and therefore the houses could be built only after the age of> > 17.> > > > Why is a sister born after 3 years?> > > > As we all know, the first six years of life any horoscope is ruled by> > Saturn as per the 35-years circulation. Then if Saturn is in the 6th> > house it aspects the planets in the 2nd house with a maleficeffect This> > is an exception-rule of Lal Kitab. In this case Saturn aspects Mars in> > the 2nd house thereby preventing Mars to materialize itself in theform> > of a younger brother.> > > > However, at the same time there is another exception rule in operation> > in this chart. It is said in Lal Kitab that when Mercury is in the12th> > house it aspects any planet in the 6th house. Now since bothMercury and> > the 6th house indicate sisters, the chart can be said to indicate the> > birth of a younger sister, rather than a brother, at that particular> > age.> > > > Then the reading speaks of the Venus-Jupiter combination in the11th, as> > indicating contact with women - BUT only airy thoughts, meaning no> > substantial results like engagement, marriage - This is probably the> > results of the Venus-Jupiter combination which by itself is saidto give> > false hopes and wishful thinking. Thus resulting in Ketu No. 4 -loos of> > semen (masturbation? ). Perhaps also because there is a6/8-relationship> > (Yoga-dristi) between Ketu in the 4th and Venus-Jupiter in the 11th..> > > > Why will helplessness be peaked at the age of 21?> > > > This timing is no doubt related to Rahu, since 21 is half theperiod of> > Rahu (21 = half of 42). The helplessness is partly caused by themalefic> > Rahu in the 10th house and partly by Ketu in the 4th. Rahu isdestroyed> > (malefic) because Jupiter is in the 11th. Further more, Rahu & Ketu in> > 4th/10th house not only makes a Dharmi Tewa, it also makes a Nabalig> > Tewa, meaning someone who remain adolescent and lacking in maturity.> > According to Lal Kitab a person of Nabalig Tewa will always haveto seek> > help/assistance of others, and this helplessness will peak at 21in this> > case. It could perhaps be argued that the combination of both Dharmi & > > Nabalic Tewa in the same chart makes a good disciple but a poor Guru.> > But that is another discussion.> > > > What does it mean that Rahu's waves are moving in the circle ofMercury> > at the age of 21 years?> > > > To know this we need to understand the "Modus operandi" of Rahu in the> > 10th house. It is said in LK that Rahu, Ketu or Mercury in the10th will> > move as per dictates of Saturn. If Saturn is benefic, they will betwice> > beneficial, otherwise, the reverse. In this case Saturn is beneficbeing> > in the 6th with Ketu behind it. Yes, but Saturn is actually located in> > the "Empty Circle of Mercury".> > > > What is the "Empty Circle of Mercury"?> > > > Some may think otherwise, but according to my opinion andexperience the> > "Empty Circle of Mercury" is in the 3rd, 6th, 9th and 12th houses.There> > are some good arguments in support of this. It is said in LK that Rahu> > and Ketu move within the Circle of Mercury. This makes sense sincethey> > have their exaltations, debilitation and fixed houses in the 3rd, 6th,> > 9th and 12th houses. Also Mercury is the only planet capable of> > aspecting from ALL of these house, meaning not only from the 3rd and> > 6th, like all other planets do, but also from the 9th and 12th (asrules> > of exceptions). Thus whenever Mercury activates this evil circle it> > becomes like a House of Maya or a Hall of Mirrors, where you see the> > illusion of yourself reflected in all kinds of grotesque forms and> > shapes.> > > > Why the suicidal tendencies and signs of madness?> > > > Well, I think a part of the reason is that Rahu in the 10th ismalefic.> > Another part is no doubt the fact that Rahu's waves, being transmitted> > through Saturn, are moving within the "Empty Circle of Mercury".> > > > There is however also another possible explanation for this. Earlier I> > said this chart was not only a Dharmi Tewa but also an Andhey Tewa,> > meaning a Blind chart, both operating simultaniously. It is said in LK> > that with a blind chart all planets, incl. Saturn, even if exalted,> > would behave like the blind people and Sat will be malefic. The powers> > of sight, discrimination, good judgement all gets badly affected.> > > > But how can this chart be blind when there is only one planet,Rahu, in> > the 10th house?> > > > Please notice that Rahu is malefic, and look very carefully at the12th> > house, the root of Rahu. The Sun is in the 12th house and therefore> > there is a conjunction of Rahu and Sun by root. Actually this isall it> > takes to turn this into a blind chart.> > > > In my opinion the suicidal tendencies and signs of madness are the> > combined results of a Dharmi Tewa being subject to malefic Rahu, blind> > chart indication and the "Empty Circle of Mercury".> > > > Best regards,> > Finn Wandahl> >> Be the first one to try the new Messenger 9 Beta! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 26, 2008 Report Share Posted November 26, 2008 Dear Yograj Ji, This information on how to calculate 35-years circulation is very interesting. Thank you for sharing it! Best regards, Finn , Yograj Prabhakar <yr_prabhakar wrote: > > Respected Dr Sahib, > Sa'adar Pranaam. > > Sir, In case of more than one planet in one house, we have to follow the serial number given to each planet in the 35-year cycle. > > Respectfully > Yograj Prabhakar > > --- On Tue, 25/11/08, kiranjit kumar <kapatjal wrote: > kiranjit kumar <kapatjal > Re: Re: dharmi tewa > > Tuesday, 25 November, 2008, 7:33 PM > > > > > thanks prabhakar ji. But what if more than one planets r placed in the first house in the natal chart? >  > with best wishes, > kiranjit > > --- On Tue, 11/25/08, Yograj Prabhakar <yr_prabhakar@ > wrote: > > Yograj Prabhakar <yr_prabhakar@ > > Re: dharmi tewa > > Tuesday, November 25, 2008, 11:37 AM > > > > > Respected Dr. Sahib, > Sa'adar Pranaam. > > for understanding the 35-year circle one must be aware of the crucial > concept of " Greh Ka Daura " (tenure), " Greh ka Daura " is the crux of > the matter. Actually, this " Daura " is the time when any planet comes > to the First house of the horoscope. Any planet that comes on in the > Ist house (either in natal of Varsphal chart) will be the first planet > of 35-Yar cycle scheme. See the example of the following imaginary > planetary configuration of a natal chart: > > 1st house - empty > 2nd house - empty > 3rd house - mars > 4th house - moon > 5th house - Ketu > 6th house - Jupiter > 7th house - sun+Mer > 8th house - venus > 9th house - enpty > 10th house -empty > 11th house - Rahu > 12th house -Saturn > > In this chart, First and second houses are empty. As per the Varshphal > chart, planet of the 3rd house (Mars) will come in the 1st house > during the 3rd year of native's > age. So from this 3rd year his first > 35-years Cycle will begin with Mars as the first planet of 35-year > cycle, the other planets may follow accordingly. > > You must have noticed that sometimes back this 35-Saala chakkar was > described so maladroitly in another blog that it became a " 35-Saala > Ghan-chakkar " since they never considered/studied the important aspect > of " Greh Ka Daura " . > > Respectfully > Yograj Prabhakar > > , kiranjit kumar <kapatjal@ .> wrote: > > > > dear Prabhakar ji, > >  > > going a little of the track from dharmi tewa. > >  > > u r very right that the 35 year cycle at birth may start with any of > the planets. > > Could u please elaborate as to how to find out the operative planet > at birth for a given horoscope as par 35 years > claculations. > >  > > With best wishes;, > > kiranjit > > > > --- On Mon, 11/24/08, Yograj Prabhakar <yr_prabhakar@ ...> wrote: > > > > Yograj Prabhakar <yr_prabhakar@ ...> > > Re: dharmi tewa > > > > Monday, November 24, 2008, 5:11 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Respected Finn Sahib, > > > > You explained this 11 lines example (LK-1952, Page 975) beautifully; > please accept my heartiest congratulations for this wonderful post. > With your permission, I am reproducing the full Para Quoted by you > with slight corrections (forgive me for capital letters) to make the > things easier to understand as there are many flaws in the English > translated book. > > > > (Quote) > > > Houses built between the age of 17 and 19. > > Sister born after 3 years. Malefic effect of Mercury til the age of 17. > > Venus No. 11 - contact with women. > > Jupiter No. 11 - MERE IMAGINATION, > > and FINALLY THE RESULT OF KETU 4 - NOCTURNAL EMISSION and > MASTURBATION BEGAN, THAT REACHED TO ITS PEAK DURING THE AGE OF 21. > > Rahu's waves moving in circle of Mercury at 21. Suicidal tendencies > and signs of madness EMERGED. IN FACT, PROBLEM OF LACK OF SEMEN > REMAINED HIDDEN IN THE BACKDROP, AND THE PROPOSALS FOR MARRIAGE PROVED > FUTILE. > > > > (I think Pundit ji probably indicated that reason behind his mental > status and suicidal attitude was the result of likely impotency > because of nocturnal emission and masturbation that caused the > floundering of marriage proposals). > > > > You have further written that: > > \\As we all know, the first six years of life any horoscope > is ruled > by Saturn as per the 35-years circulation. ...\\ > > > > I am afraid this is not correct; the 35-year circle may begin with > any of the 9 planets. In the present example Saturn does not fit > anywhere, neither as per the serial numbers given to planets in the > 35-year circulation neither according to its placement in the > horoscope to be the first planet of 35-year circulation. > > > > Respectfully > > Yograj Prabhakar > > > > > > , " Finn Wandahl " > <finn.wandahl@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Members, > > > > > > While following the very interesting debate about Dharmi Tewa, I > came to > > > think about the many cases when a Dharmi Tewa gets combined with > one or > > > more of the other four types of Tewas like, f.ex. Andhey Tewa (Blind > > > chart) or Nabalig Tewa (Adolescent/ Non-adult chart), > etc., > meaning when > > > two or more types of combinations are available in the same horoscope. > > > This give rise to a number of different variations. This way obviously > > > Dharmi Tewas comes in all sizes and shapes, and a number of very > > > interesting observations can be made. In this context I couldn't help > > > remembering Example No. 17 from the chapter about Annual > predictions in > > > LK-1952, because this chart has some very interesting combined > > > Tewa-types. > > > > > > Example No. 17 is the horoscope of a male person of Scorpio-Asc with > > > Moon & Mars in 2nd, Ketu in 4th, Sat in 6th, Rahu in 10th, Jup & > Ven in > > > 11th and finally Sun & Merc in the 12th house. > > > > > > The chart is a wonderful example of exceptions and contradictive > > > influences. No doubt the chart must be considered as a Dharmi > Tewa > since > > > there is Ketu in 4th and Rahu in 10th, but at the same time the chart > > > also qualifies as both Nabalig Tewa and Andhey Tewa, as I will explain > > > later. I think these different and contradictive influences needs > to be > > > taken into account. Therefore a deeper investigation is needed. > There is > > > much more in this chart than what meets the eye. > > > > > > Pundit Ji has given the following very brief but brilliant delineation > > > of the chart, which I will try my best to explain in details, > taking it > > > bit by bit: > > > > > > (Quote:) " Houses built between the age of 17 and 19. Sister born > after 3 > > > years. Malefic effect of Mercury til the age of 17. Venus No. 11 - > > > contact with women. Jupiter No. 11 - only airy thoughts and results in > > > Ketu No. 4 - loss of semen. Helplessness will be peaked > at the age of > > > 21. Rahu's waves moving in circle of Mercury at 21. Suicidal > tendencies > > > and signs of madness. Semen defect remained. Marriage proposal > > > floundered " . > > > > > > Why are houses built between age of 17 and 19 years of this person? > > > > > > Well, Saturn signifies houses and Saturn is benefic by being in > the 6th > > > and having Ketu behind it. Mercury-Saturn combination by itself means > > > favourable property, and Sun-Mercury combination gives excellent > > > results, provided Saturn does not aspect them, which it actually > does in > > > this case. Further, with Sun-Mercury combination, for half period of > > > Mercury (17 = half of 34), Mercury will not be able to give its > separate > > > effect, and therefore the houses could be built only after the age of > > > 17. > > > > > > Why is a sister > born after 3 years? > > > > > > As we all know, the first six years of life any horoscope is ruled by > > > Saturn as per the 35-years circulation. Then if Saturn is in the 6th > > > house it aspects the planets in the 2nd house with a malefic > effect This > > > is an exception-rule of Lal Kitab. In this case Saturn aspects Mars in > > > the 2nd house thereby preventing Mars to materialize itself in the > form > > > of a younger brother. > > > > > > However, at the same time there is another exception rule in operation > > > in this chart. It is said in Lal Kitab that when Mercury is in the > 12th > > > house it aspects any planet in the 6th house. Now since both > Mercury and > > > the 6th house indicate sisters, the chart can be said to indicate the > > > birth of a younger sister, rather than a brother, at that particular > > > age. > > > > > > > Then the reading speaks of the Venus-Jupiter combination in the > 11th, as > > > indicating contact with women - BUT only airy thoughts, meaning no > > > substantial results like engagement, marriage - This is probably the > > > results of the Venus-Jupiter combination which by itself is said > to give > > > false hopes and wishful thinking. Thus resulting in Ketu No. 4 - > loos of > > > semen (masturbation? ). Perhaps also because there is a > 6/8-relationship > > > (Yoga-dristi) between Ketu in the 4th and Venus-Jupiter in the 11th. > > > > > > Why will helplessness be peaked at the age of 21? > > > > > > This timing is no doubt related to Rahu, since 21 is half the > period of > > > Rahu (21 = half of 42). The helplessness is partly caused by the > malefic > > > Rahu in the 10th house and partly by Ketu in the 4th. Rahu is > destroyed > > > > (malefic) because Jupiter is in the 11th. Further more, Rahu & Ketu in > > > 4th/10th house not only makes a Dharmi Tewa, it also makes a Nabalig > > > Tewa, meaning someone who remain adolescent and lacking in maturity. > > > According to Lal Kitab a person of Nabalig Tewa will always have > to seek > > > help/assistance of others, and this helplessness will peak at 21 > in this > > > case. It could perhaps be argued that the combination of both Dharmi & > > > Nabalic Tewa in the same chart makes a good disciple but a poor Guru. > > > But that is another discussion. > > > > > > What does it mean that Rahu's waves are moving in the circle of > Mercury > > > at the age of 21 years? > > > > > > To know this we need to understand the " Modus operandi " of Rahu in the > > > 10th house. It is said in LK that Rahu, Ketu or Mercury in the > 10th > will > > > move as per dictates of Saturn. If Saturn is benefic, they will be > twice > > > beneficial, otherwise, the reverse. In this case Saturn is benefic > being > > > in the 6th with Ketu behind it. Yes, but Saturn is actually located in > > > the " Empty Circle of Mercury " . > > > > > > What is the " Empty Circle of Mercury " ? > > > > > > Some may think otherwise, but according to my opinion and > experience the > > > " Empty Circle of Mercury " is in the 3rd, 6th, 9th and 12th houses. > There > > > are some good arguments in support of this. It is said in LK that Rahu > > > and Ketu move within the Circle of Mercury. This makes sense since > they > > > have their exaltations, debilitation and fixed houses in the 3rd, 6th, > > > 9th and 12th houses. Also Mercury is the only planet capable of > > > aspecting from ALL of these house, meaning not only > from the 3rd and > > > 6th, like all other planets do, but also from the 9th and 12th (as > rules > > > of exceptions). Thus whenever Mercury activates this evil circle it > > > becomes like a House of Maya or a Hall of Mirrors, where you see the > > > illusion of yourself reflected in all kinds of grotesque forms and > > > shapes. > > > > > > Why the suicidal tendencies and signs of madness? > > > > > > Well, I think a part of the reason is that Rahu in the 10th is > malefic. > > > Another part is no doubt the fact that Rahu's waves, being transmitted > > > through Saturn, are moving within the " Empty Circle of Mercury " . > > > > > > There is however also another possible explanation for this. Earlier I > > > said this chart was not only a Dharmi Tewa but also an Andhey Tewa, > > > meaning a Blind chart, both operating simultaniously. It is said > in LK > > > that with a blind chart all planets, incl. Saturn, even if exalted, > > > would behave like the blind people and Sat will be malefic. The powers > > > of sight, discrimination, good judgement all gets badly affected. > > > > > > But how can this chart be blind when there is only one planet, > Rahu, in > > > the 10th house? > > > > > > Please notice that Rahu is malefic, and look very carefully at the > 12th > > > house, the root of Rahu. The Sun is in the 12th house and therefore > > > there is a conjunction of Rahu and Sun by root. Actually this is > all it > > > takes to turn this into a blind chart. > > > > > > In my opinion the suicidal tendencies and signs of madness are the > > > combined results of a Dharmi Tewa being subject to malefic Rahu, blind > > > chart indication and the " Empty Circle of Mercury " . > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > Finn Wandahl > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! Go to http://messenger./invite/ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 26, 2008 Report Share Posted November 26, 2008 Respected Guru Yog Raj ji, Charan Sparsh. Guruji, you have given a very fantastic reply in your this email with 35 year chakkar. This puzzle is very confusing for everyone is finally solve. Kindly please accept my sincere thanks for sharing this secret of Lal Kitab. Thank you very much sir. Mr or Mrs or Miss Priya Bhushan or Mr Suresh Upadyay tried to solve this puzzle in past. But his solution is not convincing at all. I think he was trying to make Mango juice using Coca Cola. Everyone is aware that he has been fully exposed in his evil scheme. But he is not changing his way. Every day he is trying to hijack topics from Astro Students to his forum and very shamelessly he is discussing with imaginary nephew Varun Trivedi and his other imaginations like Gill etc. What is the use? Everyone knows now that he is as fake as a three rupee note. He is running like a ghanchakkar. I think it will be suitable to call that group as GHANCHAKKAR group. Guruji, What do you think? My also one more request to Priya Madam. Madam kindly hijack the topic of fake ids to your GHANCHAKKAR Forum and address that topic if you have any moral strength and ethics, That topic should be discussed also in that forum. "With naman to all gurujans" Rattan Exton, Pennsylvania USA Sent Via Blackberry --- On Wed, 11/26/08, Yograj Prabhakar <yr_prabhakar wrote: Yograj Prabhakar <yr_prabhakarRe: Re: dharmi tewa Date: Wednesday, November 26, 2008, 3:56 AM Respected Dr Sahib,Sa'adar Pranaam.Sir, In case of more than one planet in one house, we have to follow the serial number given to each planet in the 35-year cycle. RespectfullyYograj Prabhakar--- On Tue, 25/11/08, kiranjit kumar <kapatjal > wrote: kiranjit kumar <kapatjal >Re: Re: dharmi tewaTuesday, 25 November, 2008, 7:33 PM thanks prabhakar ji. But what if more than one planets r placed in the first house in the natal chart? with best wishes, kiranjit--- On Tue, 11/25/08, Yograj Prabhakar <yr_prabhakar@ > wrote: Yograj Prabhakar <yr_prabhakar@ > Re: dharmi tewaTuesday, November 25, 2008, 11:37 AM Respected Dr. Sahib,Sa'adar Pranaam.for understanding the 35-year circle one must be aware of the crucialconcept of "Greh Ka Daura" (tenure), "Greh ka Daura" is the crux ofthe matter. Actually, this "Daura" is the time when any planet comesto the First house of the horoscope. Any planet that comes on in theIst house (either in natal of Varsphal chart) will be the first planetof 35-Yar cycle scheme. See the example of the following imaginaryplanetary configuration of a natal chart:1st house - empty2nd house - empty3rd house - mars4th house - moon5th house - Ketu6th house - Jupiter7th house - sun+Mer8th house - venus9th house - enpty10th house -empty11th house - Rahu12th house -Saturn In this chart, First and second houses are empty. As per the Varshphalchart, planet of the 3rd house (Mars) will come in the 1st houseduring the 3rd year of native's age. So from this 3rd year his first35-years Cycle will begin with Mars as the first planet of 35-yearcycle, the other planets may follow accordingly.You must have noticed that sometimes back this 35-Saala chakkar wasdescribed so maladroitly in another blog that it became a "35-SaalaGhan-chakkar" since they never considered/studied the important aspectof "Greh Ka Daura". RespectfullyYograj Prabhakar, kiranjit kumar <kapatjal@.. .> wrote:>> dear Prabhakar ji,> > going a little of the track from dharmi tewa.> > u r very right that the 35 year cycle at birth may start with any ofthe planets.> Could u please elaborate as to how to find out the operative planetat birth for a given horoscope as par 35 years claculations.> > With best wishes;,> kiranjit> > --- On Mon, 11/24/08, Yograj Prabhakar <yr_prabhakar@ ....> wrote:> > Yograj Prabhakar <yr_prabhakar@ ...>> Re: dharmi tewa> > Monday, November 24, 2008, 5:11 PM> > > > > > > Respected Finn Sahib,> > You explained this 11 lines example (LK-1952, Page 975) beautifully;please accept my heartiest congratulations for this wonderful post.With your permission, I am reproducing the full Para Quoted by youwith slight corrections (forgive me for capital letters) to make thethings easier to understand as there are many flaws in the Englishtranslated book. > > (Quote)> Houses built between the age of 17 and 19. > Sister born after 3 years. Malefic effect of Mercury til the age of 17.> Venus No. 11 - contact with women. > Jupiter No. 11 - MERE IMAGINATION, > and FINALLY THE RESULT OF KETU 4 - NOCTURNAL EMISSION andMASTURBATION BEGAN, THAT REACHED TO ITS PEAK DURING THE AGE OF 21. > Rahu's waves moving in circle of Mercury at 21. Suicidal tendenciesand signs of madness EMERGED. IN FACT, PROBLEM OF LACK OF SEMENREMAINED HIDDEN IN THE BACKDROP, AND THE PROPOSALS FOR MARRIAGE PROVEDFUTILE.> > (I think Pundit ji probably indicated that reason behind his mentalstatus and suicidal attitude was the result of likely impotencybecause of nocturnal emission and masturbation that caused thefloundering of marriage proposals).> > You have further written that:> \\As we all know, the first six years of life any horoscope is ruledby Saturn as per the 35-years circulation. ...\\> > I am afraid this is not correct; the 35-year circle may begin withany of the 9 planets. In the present example Saturn does not fitanywhere, neither as per the serial numbers given to planets in the35-year circulation neither according to its placement in thehoroscope to be the first planet of 35-year circulation. > > Respectfully> Yograj Prabhakar> > > @ . . com, "Finn Wandahl"<finn.wandahl@ ...> wrote:> >> > Dear Members,> > > > While following the very interesting debate about Dharmi Tewa, Icame to> > think about the many cases when a Dharmi Tewa gets combined withone or> > more of the other four types of Tewas like, f.ex. Andhey Tewa (Blind> > chart) or Nabalig Tewa (Adolescent/ Non-adult chart), etc.,meaning when> > two or more types of combinations are available in the same horoscope.> > This give rise to a number of different variations. This way obviously> > Dharmi Tewas comes in all sizes and shapes, and a number of very> > interesting observations can be made. In this context I couldn't help> > remembering Example No. 17 from the chapter about Annualpredictions in> > LK-1952, because this chart has some very interesting combined> > Tewa-types.> > > > Example No. 17 is the horoscope of a male person of Scorpio-Asc with> > Moon & Mars in 2nd, Ketu in 4th, Sat in 6th, Rahu in 10th, Jup & Ven in> > 11th and finally Sun & Merc in the 12th house.> > > > The chart is a wonderful example of exceptions and contradictive> > influences. No doubt the chart must be considered as a Dharmi Tewasince> > there is Ketu in 4th and Rahu in 10th, but at the same time the chart> > also qualifies as both Nabalig Tewa and Andhey Tewa, as I will explain> > later. I think these different and contradictive influences needsto be> > taken into account. Therefore a deeper investigation is needed.There is> > much more in this chart than what meets the eye.> > > > Pundit Ji has given the following very brief but brilliant delineation> > of the chart, which I will try my best to explain in details,taking it> > bit by bit:> > > > (Quote:) "Houses built between the age of 17 and 19. Sister bornafter 3> > years. Malefic effect of Mercury til the age of 17. Venus No. 11 -> > contact with women. Jupiter No. 11 - only airy thoughts and results in> > Ketu No. 4 - loss of semen. Helplessness will be peaked at the age of> > 21. Rahu's waves moving in circle of Mercury at 21. Suicidaltendencies> > and signs of madness. Semen defect remained. Marriage proposal> > floundered".> > > > Why are houses built between age of 17 and 19 years of this person?> > > > Well, Saturn signifies houses and Saturn is benefic by being inthe 6th> > and having Ketu behind it. Mercury-Saturn combination by itself means> > favourable property, and Sun-Mercury combination gives excellent> > results, provided Saturn does not aspect them, which it actuallydoes in> > this case. Further, with Sun-Mercury combination, for half period of> > Mercury (17 = half of 34), Mercury will not be able to give itsseparate> > effect, and therefore the houses could be built only after the age of> > 17.> > > > Why is a sister born after 3 years?> > > > As we all know, the first six years of life any horoscope is ruled by> > Saturn as per the 35-years circulation. Then if Saturn is in the 6th> > house it aspects the planets in the 2nd house with a maleficeffect This> > is an exception-rule of Lal Kitab. In this case Saturn aspects Mars in> > the 2nd house thereby preventing Mars to materialize itself in theform> > of a younger brother.> > > > However, at the same time there is another exception rule in operation> > in this chart. It is said in Lal Kitab that when Mercury is in the12th> > house it aspects any planet in the 6th house. Now since bothMercury and> > the 6th house indicate sisters, the chart can be said to indicate the> > birth of a younger sister, rather than a brother, at that particular> > age.> > > > Then the reading speaks of the Venus-Jupiter combination in the11th, as> > indicating contact with women - BUT only airy thoughts, meaning no> > substantial results like engagement, marriage - This is probably the> > results of the Venus-Jupiter combination which by itself is saidto give> > false hopes and wishful thinking. Thus resulting in Ketu No. 4 -loos of> > semen (masturbation? ). Perhaps also because there is a6/8-relationship> > (Yoga-dristi) between Ketu in the 4th and Venus-Jupiter in the 11th..> > > > Why will helplessness be peaked at the age of 21?> > > > This timing is no doubt related to Rahu, since 21 is half theperiod of> > Rahu (21 = half of 42). The helplessness is partly caused by themalefic> > Rahu in the 10th house and partly by Ketu in the 4th. Rahu isdestroyed> > (malefic) because Jupiter is in the 11th. Further more, Rahu & Ketu in> > 4th/10th house not only makes a Dharmi Tewa, it also makes a Nabalig> > Tewa, meaning someone who remain adolescent and lacking in maturity.> > According to Lal Kitab a person of Nabalig Tewa will always haveto seek> > help/assistance of others, and this helplessness will peak at 21in this> > case. It could perhaps be argued that the combination of both Dharmi & > > Nabalic Tewa in the same chart makes a good disciple but a poor Guru.> > But that is another discussion.> > > > What does it mean that Rahu's waves are moving in the circle ofMercury> > at the age of 21 years?> > > > To know this we need to understand the "Modus operandi" of Rahu in the> > 10th house. It is said in LK that Rahu, Ketu or Mercury in the10th will> > move as per dictates of Saturn. If Saturn is benefic, they will betwice> > beneficial, otherwise, the reverse. In this case Saturn is beneficbeing> > in the 6th with Ketu behind it. Yes, but Saturn is actually located in> > the "Empty Circle of Mercury".> > > > What is the "Empty Circle of Mercury"?> > > > Some may think otherwise, but according to my opinion andexperience the> > "Empty Circle of Mercury" is in the 3rd, 6th, 9th and 12th houses.There> > are some good arguments in support of this. It is said in LK that Rahu> > and Ketu move within the Circle of Mercury. This makes sense sincethey> > have their exaltations, debilitation and fixed houses in the 3rd, 6th,> > 9th and 12th houses. Also Mercury is the only planet capable of> > aspecting from ALL of these house, meaning not only from the 3rd and> > 6th, like all other planets do, but also from the 9th and 12th (asrules> > of exceptions). Thus whenever Mercury activates this evil circle it> > becomes like a House of Maya or a Hall of Mirrors, where you see the> > illusion of yourself reflected in all kinds of grotesque forms and> > shapes.> > > > Why the suicidal tendencies and signs of madness?> > > > Well, I think a part of the reason is that Rahu in the 10th ismalefic.> > Another part is no doubt the fact that Rahu's waves, being transmitted> > through Saturn, are moving within the "Empty Circle of Mercury".> > > > There is however also another possible explanation for this. Earlier I> > said this chart was not only a Dharmi Tewa but also an Andhey Tewa,> > meaning a Blind chart, both operating simultaniously. It is said in LK> > that with a blind chart all planets, incl. Saturn, even if exalted,> > would behave like the blind people and Sat will be malefic. The powers> > of sight, discrimination, good judgement all gets badly affected.> > > > But how can this chart be blind when there is only one planet,Rahu, in> > the 10th house?> > > > Please notice that Rahu is malefic, and look very carefully at the12th> > house, the root of Rahu. The Sun is in the 12th house and therefore> > there is a conjunction of Rahu and Sun by root. Actually this isall it> > takes to turn this into a blind chart.> > > > In my opinion the suicidal tendencies and signs of madness are the> > combined results of a Dharmi Tewa being subject to malefic Rahu, blind> > chart indication and the "Empty Circle of Mercury".> > > > Best regards,> > Finn Wandahl> >> Be the first one to try the new Messenger 9 Beta! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 26, 2008 Report Share Posted November 26, 2008 Dear Finn Ji, First of all accept my Heartily Salute. The charms of your analysis captivate the Soul. Sir, in case of " 35 sala Chakkar" My observation is below Pt. Ji wrote in:- Aarmaan no. 113 A, Chapter: " EK DIN KA HAAL" LK-Edition-1940" 1. Har Ek Vyakati Ki Kismat Ka Haal "Janam Samay Ke Grah" se shuru hota hey. Chapter "PAHLE SAPTAH MAIN" K. TAKHAT KE MAALIK GRAHON KE LIYE: ( Yani Varshaphal vali Talika) " JANAM SAMAY KA GRAH SABSE PAHLE SHURU HONE VALA GINEGAIN" Uskey baad Lalkitab page no. 7(Pt. Ji ne yah havala 1939 vali kitab ka diya hey jismain unhoney grahon ka kraram (Sequence) di hey) par diye huey karram se baki grahon ko likhaingey. I try to explain this method with below example Date of Birth: 15-09-1985 Time:-15:20 Day: Sunday Place: Delhi Janam Din Ka Grah- Surya Janam Samay ka Grah- Venus Now The sequence Start from Venus 3yrs +Jupiter 6yrs+Sun 2yrs+Moon 1yrs+ Venus 3yrs+Mars 6yrs+Merc 2yrs+Shani 6yrs+Rahu 6yrs+Ketu 3yrs=Total-59yra. The First cucle of 35th year is running upto 38th years. Iind cycle Start from its own sequence that is start with Jupiter. In this contest you can read: "35 SAALA CHAKKAR" in 1952 Edition : Pt. Ji wrote " Grahon ka 35 saala chakkar aur Insaan ki Umar ka 35 saala chakkar do alag alag batain hain." In this regard pt. Ji given a example in this chapter in which pt. Ji wrote about this " Ki eska pehla grah brahaspati ki bajay Shani shuru ho aur Janamdin ki bajay 7vain saal se shuru ho. Ab tamam grah 35 saal main hi apna daura poora kar lengey. Jab aakhiri grah ka aakhiri din hoga us vakat Insaan ki Umar 35 saal ka daura jama 6 saal, yaani kul umar 41 saal hey aur doosra chakkar janamDin valley grah ki doosri chaal hogi. I am not claim that I am right but my understanding is this. Thanks Regards Umesh Sharma , "Finn Wandahl" <finn.wandahl wrote:>> Dear Yograj Ji,> > This information on how to calculate 35-years circulation is very> interesting. Thank you for sharing it!> > Best regards,> Finn> > > , Yograj Prabhakar> yr_prabhakar@ wrote:> >> > Respected Dr Sahib,> > Sa'adar Pranaam.> > > > Sir, In case of more than one planet in one house, we have to follow> the serial number given to each planet in the 35-year cycle. > > > > Respectfully> > Yograj Prabhakar> > > > --- On Tue, 25/11/08, kiranjit kumar kapatjal@ wrote:> > kiranjit kumar kapatjal@> > Re: Re: dharmi tewa> > > > Tuesday, 25 November, 2008, 7:33 PM> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thanks prabhakar ji. But what if more than one planets r> placed in the first house in the natal chart?> >  > > with best wishes,> > kiranjit> > > > --- On Tue, 11/25/08, Yograj Prabhakar <yr_prabhakar@ > wrote:> > > > Yograj Prabhakar <yr_prabhakar@ >> > Re: dharmi tewa> > > > Tuesday, November 25, 2008, 11:37 AM> > > > > > > > > > Respected Dr. Sahib,> > Sa'adar Pranaam.> > > > for understanding the 35-year circle one must be aware of the crucial> > concept of "Greh Ka Daura" (tenure), "Greh ka Daura" is the crux of> > the matter. Actually, this "Daura" is the time when any planet comes> > to the First house of the horoscope. Any planet that comes on in the> > Ist house (either in natal of Varsphal chart) will be the first planet> > of 35-Yar cycle scheme. See the example of the following imaginary> > planetary configuration of a natal chart:> > > > 1st house - empty> > 2nd house - empty> > 3rd house - mars> > 4th house - moon> > 5th house - Ketu> > 6th house - Jupiter> > 7th house - sun+Mer> > 8th house - venus> > 9th house - enpty> > 10th house -empty> > 11th house - Rahu> > 12th house -Saturn > > > > In this chart, First and second houses are empty. As per the Varshphal> > chart, planet of the 3rd house (Mars) will come in the 1st house> > during the 3rd year of native's> > age. So from this 3rd year his first> > 35-years Cycle will begin with Mars as the first planet of 35-year> > cycle, the other planets may follow accordingly.> > > > You must have noticed that sometimes back this 35-Saala chakkar was> > described so maladroitly in another blog that it became a "35-Saala> > Ghan-chakkar" since they never considered/studied the important aspect> > of "Greh Ka Daura". > > > > Respectfully> > Yograj Prabhakar> > > > , kiranjit kumar <kapatjal@ .>> wrote:> > >> > > dear Prabhakar ji,> > >  > > > going a little of the track from dharmi tewa.> > >  > > > u r very right that the 35 year cycle at birth may start with any of> > the planets.> > > Could u please elaborate as to how to find out the operative planet> > at birth for a given horoscope as par 35 years> > claculations.> > >  > > > With best wishes;,> > > kiranjit> > > > > > --- On Mon, 11/24/08, Yograj Prabhakar <yr_prabhakar@ ...> wrote:> > > > > > Yograj Prabhakar <yr_prabhakar@ ...>> > > Re: dharmi tewa> > > > > > Monday, November 24, 2008, 5:11 PM> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Respected Finn Sahib,> > > > > > You explained this 11 lines example (LK-1952, Page 975) beautifully;> > please accept my heartiest congratulations for this wonderful post.> > With your permission, I am reproducing the full Para Quoted by you> > with slight corrections (forgive me for capital letters) to make the> > things easier to understand as there are many flaws in the English> > translated book. > > > > > > (Quote)> > >> > Houses built between the age of 17 and 19. > > > Sister born after 3 years. Malefic effect of Mercury til the age> of 17.> > > Venus No. 11 - contact with women. > > > Jupiter No. 11 - MERE IMAGINATION, > > > and FINALLY THE RESULT OF KETU 4 - NOCTURNAL EMISSION and> > MASTURBATION BEGAN, THAT REACHED TO ITS PEAK DURING THE AGE OF 21. > > > Rahu's waves moving in circle of Mercury at 21. Suicidal tendencies> > and signs of madness EMERGED. IN FACT, PROBLEM OF LACK OF SEMEN> > REMAINED HIDDEN IN THE BACKDROP, AND THE PROPOSALS FOR MARRIAGE PROVED> > FUTILE.> > > > > > (I think Pundit ji probably indicated that reason behind his mental> > status and suicidal attitude was the result of likely impotency> > because of nocturnal emission and masturbation that caused the> > floundering of marriage proposals).> > > > > > You have further written that:> > > \\As we all know, the first six years of life any horoscope> > is ruled> > by Saturn as per the 35-years circulation. ...\\> > > > > > I am afraid this is not correct; the 35-year circle may begin with> > any of the 9 planets. In the present example Saturn does not fit> > anywhere, neither as per the serial numbers given to planets in the> > 35-year circulation neither according to its placement in the> > horoscope to be the first planet of 35-year circulation. > > > > > > Respectfully> > > Yograj Prabhakar> > > > > > > > > , "Finn Wandahl"> > <finn.wandahl@ ...> wrote:> > > >> > > > Dear Members,> > > > > > > > While following the very interesting debate about Dharmi Tewa, I> > came to> > > > think about the many cases when a Dharmi Tewa gets combined with> > one or> > > > more of the other four types of Tewas like, f.ex. Andhey Tewa (Blind> > > > chart) or Nabalig Tewa (Adolescent/ Non-adult chart),> > etc.,> > meaning when> > > > two or more types of combinations are available in the same> horoscope.> > > > This give rise to a number of different variations. This way> obviously> > > > Dharmi Tewas comes in all sizes and shapes, and a number of very> > > > interesting observations can be made. In this context I couldn't> help> > > > remembering Example No. 17 from the chapter about Annual> > predictions in> > > > LK-1952, because this chart has some very interesting combined> > > > Tewa-types.> > > > > > > > Example No. 17 is the horoscope of a male person of Scorpio-Asc with> > > > Moon & Mars in 2nd, Ketu in 4th, Sat in 6th, Rahu in 10th, Jup & > > Ven in> > > > 11th and finally Sun & Merc in the 12th house.> > > > > > > > The chart is a wonderful example of exceptions and contradictive> > > > influences. No doubt the chart must be considered as a Dharmi> > Tewa> > since> > > > there is Ketu in 4th and Rahu in 10th, but at the same time the> chart> > > > also qualifies as both Nabalig Tewa and Andhey Tewa, as I will> explain> > > > later. I think these different and contradictive influences needs> > to be> > > > taken into account. Therefore a deeper investigation is needed.> > There is> > > > much more in this chart than what meets the eye.> > > > > > > > Pundit Ji has given the following very brief but brilliant> delineation> > > > of the chart, which I will try my best to explain in details,> > taking it> > > > bit by bit:> > > > > > > > (Quote:) "Houses built between the age of 17 and 19. Sister born> > after 3> > > > years. Malefic effect of Mercury til the age of 17. Venus No. 11 -> > > > contact with women. Jupiter No. 11 - only airy thoughts and> results in> > > > Ketu No. 4 - loss of semen. Helplessness will be peaked> > at the age of> > > > 21. Rahu's waves moving in circle of Mercury at 21. Suicidal> > tendencies> > > > and signs of madness. Semen defect remained. Marriage proposal> > > > floundered".> > > > > > > > Why are houses built between age of 17 and 19 years of this person?> > > > > > > > Well, Saturn signifies houses and Saturn is benefic by being in> > the 6th> > > > and having Ketu behind it. Mercury-Saturn combination by itself> means> > > > favourable property, and Sun-Mercury combination gives excellent> > > > results, provided Saturn does not aspect them, which it actually> > does in> > > > this case. Further, with Sun-Mercury combination, for half period of> > > > Mercury (17 = half of 34), Mercury will not be able to give its> > separate> > > > effect, and therefore the houses could be built only after the> age of> > > > 17.> > > > > > > > Why is a sister> > born after 3 years?> > > > > > > > As we all know, the first six years of life any horoscope is> ruled by> > > > Saturn as per the 35-years circulation. Then if Saturn is in the 6th> > > > house it aspects the planets in the 2nd house with a malefic> > effect This> > > > is an exception-rule of Lal Kitab. In this case Saturn aspects> Mars in> > > > the 2nd house thereby preventing Mars to materialize itself in the> > form> > > > of a younger brother.> > > > > > > > However, at the same time there is another exception rule in> operation> > > > in this chart. It is said in Lal Kitab that when Mercury is in the> > 12th> > > > house it aspects any planet in the 6th house. Now since both> > Mercury and> > > > the 6th house indicate sisters, the chart can be said to> indicate the> > > > birth of a younger sister, rather than a brother, at that particular> > > > age.> > > >> > > > > > Then the reading speaks of the Venus-Jupiter combination in the> > 11th, as> > > > indicating contact with women - BUT only airy thoughts, meaning no> > > > substantial results like engagement, marriage - This is probably the> > > > results of the Venus-Jupiter combination which by itself is said> > to give> > > > false hopes and wishful thinking. Thus resulting in Ketu No. 4 -> > loos of> > > > semen (masturbation? ). Perhaps also because there is a> > 6/8-relationship> > > > (Yoga-dristi) between Ketu in the 4th and Venus-Jupiter in the 11th.> > > > > > > > Why will helplessness be peaked at the age of 21?> > > > > > > > This timing is no doubt related to Rahu, since 21 is half the> > period of> > > > Rahu (21 = half of 42). The helplessness is partly caused by the> > malefic> > > > Rahu in the 10th house and partly by Ketu in the 4th. Rahu is> > destroyed> > >> > > (malefic) because Jupiter is in the 11th. Further more, Rahu & > Ketu in> > > > 4th/10th house not only makes a Dharmi Tewa, it also makes a Nabalig> > > > Tewa, meaning someone who remain adolescent and lacking in maturity.> > > > According to Lal Kitab a person of Nabalig Tewa will always have> > to seek> > > > help/assistance of others, and this helplessness will peak at 21> > in this> > > > case. It could perhaps be argued that the combination of both> Dharmi & > > > > Nabalic Tewa in the same chart makes a good disciple but a poor> Guru.> > > > But that is another discussion.> > > > > > > > What does it mean that Rahu's waves are moving in the circle of> > Mercury> > > > at the age of 21 years?> > > > > > > > To know this we need to understand the "Modus operandi" of Rahu> in the> > > > 10th house. It is said in LK that Rahu, Ketu or Mercury in the> > 10th> > will> > > > move as per dictates of Saturn. If Saturn is benefic, they will be> > twice> > > > beneficial, otherwise, the reverse. In this case Saturn is benefic> > being> > > > in the 6th with Ketu behind it. Yes, but Saturn is actually> located in> > > > the "Empty Circle of Mercury".> > > > > > > > What is the "Empty Circle of Mercury"?> > > > > > > > Some may think otherwise, but according to my opinion and> > experience the> > > > "Empty Circle of Mercury" is in the 3rd, 6th, 9th and 12th houses.> > There> > > > are some good arguments in support of this. It is said in LK> that Rahu> > > > and Ketu move within the Circle of Mercury. This makes sense since> > they> > > > have their exaltations, debilitation and fixed houses in the> 3rd, 6th,> > > > 9th and 12th houses. Also Mercury is the only planet capable of> > > > aspecting from ALL of these house, meaning not only> > from the 3rd and> > > > 6th, like all other planets do, but also from the 9th and 12th (as> > rules> > > > of exceptions). Thus whenever Mercury activates this evil circle it> > > > becomes like a House of Maya or a Hall of Mirrors, where you see the> > > > illusion of yourself reflected in all kinds of grotesque forms and> > > > shapes.> > > > > > > > Why the suicidal tendencies and signs of madness?> > > > > > > > Well, I think a part of the reason is that Rahu in the 10th is> > malefic.> > > > Another part is no doubt the fact that Rahu's waves, being> transmitted> > > > through Saturn, are moving within the "Empty Circle of Mercury".> > > > > > > > There is however also another possible explanation for this.> Earlier I> > > > said this chart was not only a Dharmi Tewa but also an Andhey Tewa,> > > > meaning a Blind chart, both operating simultaniously. It is said> > in LK> > > > that with a blind chart all planets, incl. Saturn, even if exalted,> > > > would behave like the blind people and Sat will be malefic. The> powers> > > > of sight, discrimination, good judgement all gets badly affected.> > > > > > > > But how can this chart be blind when there is only one planet,> > Rahu, in> > > > the 10th house?> > > > > > > > Please notice that Rahu is malefic, and look very carefully at the> > 12th> > > > house, the root of Rahu. The Sun is in the 12th house and therefore> > > > there is a conjunction of Rahu and Sun by root. Actually this is> > all it> > > > takes to turn this into a blind chart.> > > > > > > > In my opinion the suicidal tendencies and signs of madness are the> > > > combined results of a Dharmi Tewa being subject to malefic Rahu,> blind> > > > chart indication and the "Empty Circle of Mercury".> > > >> > > > > > Best regards,> > > > Finn Wandahl> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! Go to> http://messenger./invite/> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 26, 2008 Report Share Posted November 26, 2008 Respected Yograjji, Simply Brilliant. I know it is very correct as per concept of Lal-kitab hearing from a scholar like you. My intuition also supports me to accept it as it goes with the basic theme of LK. Thanks for illuminating the concept of 35 sala chakra . Regards, Vijay Goel Jaipur. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 26, 2008 Report Share Posted November 26, 2008 Dear Umesh ji, pranaam wht u hv written i am confused littleplz elaborate 35 yr cycle properly, as u hv confused the concept what ur trying to say is written in LK. we all want explanation from u sir plz help us sir. learner lal kitab jattin --- On Wed, 11/26/08, Umesh Sharma <mudit982001 wrote: Umesh Sharma <mudit982001 Re: dharmi tewa Date: Wednesday, November 26, 2008, 7:25 PM Dear Finn Ji, First of all accept my Heartily Salute. The charms of your analysis captivate the Soul.. Sir, in case of " 35 sala Chakkar" My observation is below Pt. Ji wrote in:- Aarmaan no. 113 A, Chapter: " EK DIN KA HAAL" LK-Edition-1940" 1. Har Ek Vyakati Ki Kismat Ka Haal "Janam Samay Ke Grah" se shuru hota hey. Chapter "PAHLE SAPTAH MAIN" K. TAKHAT KE MAALIK GRAHON KE LIYE: ( Yani Varshaphal vali Talika) " JANAM SAMAY KA GRAH SABSE PAHLE SHURU HONE VALA GINEGAIN" Uskey baad Lalkitab page no. 7(Pt. Ji ne yah havala 1939 vali kitab ka diya hey jismain unhoney grahon ka kraram (Sequence) di hey) par diye huey karram se baki grahon ko likhaingey. I try to explain this method with below example Date of Birth: 15-09-1985 Time:-15:20 Day: Sunday Place: Delhi Janam Din Ka Grah- Surya Janam Samay ka Grah- Venus Now The sequence Start from Venus 3yrs +Jupiter 6yrs+Sun 2yrs+Moon 1yrs+ Venus 3yrs+Mars 6yrs+Merc 2yrs+Shani 6yrs+Rahu 6yrs+Ketu 3yrs=Total-59yra. The First cucle of 35th year is running upto 38th years. Iind cycle Start from its own sequence that is start with Jupiter. In this contest you can read: "35 SAALA CHAKKAR" in 1952 Edition : Pt. Ji wrote " Grahon ka 35 saala chakkar aur Insaan ki Umar ka 35 saala chakkar do alag alag batain hain." In this regard pt. Ji given a example in this chapter in which pt. Ji wrote about this " Ki eska pehla grah brahaspati ki bajay Shani shuru ho aur Janamdin ki bajay 7vain saal se shuru ho. Ab tamam grah 35 saal main hi apna daura poora kar lengey. Jab aakhiri grah ka aakhiri din hoga us vakat Insaan ki Umar 35 saal ka daura jama 6 saal, yaani kul umar 41 saal hey aur doosra chakkar janamDin valley grah ki doosri chaal hogi. I am not claim that I am right but my understanding is this. Thanks Regards Umesh Sharma, "Finn Wandahl" <finn.wandahl@ ...> wrote:>> Dear Yograj Ji,> > This information on how to calculate 35-years circulation is very> interesting. Thank you for sharing it!> > Best regards,> Finn> > > --- In , Yograj Prabhakar> yr_prabhakar@ wrote:> >> > Respected Dr Sahib,> > Sa'adar Pranaam.> > > > Sir, In case of more than one planet in one house, we have to follow> the serial number given to each planet in the 35-year cycle. > > > > Respectfully> > Yograj Prabhakar> > > > --- On Tue, 25/11/08, kiranjit kumar kapatjal@ wrote:> > kiranjit kumar kapatjal@> > Re: Re: dharmi tewa> > > > Tuesday, 25 November, 2008, 7:33 PM> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thanks prabhakar ji. But what if more than one planets r> placed in the first house in the natal chart?> >  > > with best wishes,> > kiranjit> > > > --- On Tue, 11/25/08, Yograj Prabhakar <yr_prabhakar@ > wrote:> > > > Yograj Prabhakar <yr_prabhakar@ >> > Re: dharmi tewa> > > > Tuesday, November 25, 2008, 11:37 AM> > > > > > > > > > Respected Dr. Sahib,> > Sa'adar Pranaam.> > > > for understanding the 35-year circle one must be aware of the crucial> > concept of "Greh Ka Daura" (tenure), "Greh ka Daura" is the crux of> > the matter. Actually, this "Daura" is the time when any planet comes> > to the First house of the horoscope. Any planet that comes on in the> > Ist house (either in natal of Varsphal chart) will be the first planet> > of 35-Yar cycle scheme. See the example of the following imaginary> > planetary configuration of a natal chart:> > > > 1st house - empty> > 2nd house - empty> > 3rd house - mars> > 4th house - moon> > 5th house - Ketu> > 6th house - Jupiter> > 7th house - sun+Mer> > 8th house - venus> > 9th house - enpty> > 10th house -empty> > 11th house - Rahu> > 12th house -Saturn > > > > In this chart, First and second houses are empty. As per the Varshphal> > chart, planet of the 3rd house (Mars) will come in the 1st house> > during the 3rd year of native's> > age. So from this 3rd year his first> > 35-years Cycle will begin with Mars as the first planet of 35-year> > cycle, the other planets may follow accordingly.> > > > You must have noticed that sometimes back this 35-Saala chakkar was> > described so maladroitly in another blog that it became a "35-Saala> > Ghan-chakkar" since they never considered/studied the important aspect> > of "Greh Ka Daura". > > > > Respectfully> > Yograj Prabhakar> > > > , kiranjit kumar <kapatjal@ .>> wrote:> > >> > > dear Prabhakar ji,> > >  > > > going a little of the track from dharmi tewa.> > >  > > > u r very right that the 35 year cycle at birth may start with any of> > the planets.> > > Could u please elaborate as to how to find out the operative planet> > at birth for a given horoscope as par 35 years> > claculations.> > >  > > > With best wishes;,> > > kiranjit> > > > > > --- On Mon, 11/24/08, Yograj Prabhakar <yr_prabhakar@ ...> wrote:> > > > > > Yograj Prabhakar <yr_prabhakar@ ...>> > > Re: dharmi tewa> > > > > > Monday, November 24, 2008, 5:11 PM> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Respected Finn Sahib,> > > > > > You explained this 11 lines example (LK-1952, Page 975) beautifully;> > please accept my heartiest congratulations for this wonderful post.> > With your permission, I am reproducing the full Para Quoted by you> > with slight corrections (forgive me for capital letters) to make the> > things easier to understand as there are many flaws in the English> > translated book. > > > > > > (Quote)> > >> > Houses built between the age of 17 and 19. > > > Sister born after 3 years. Malefic effect of Mercury til the age> of 17.> > > Venus No. 11 - contact with women. > > > Jupiter No. 11 - MERE IMAGINATION, > > > and FINALLY THE RESULT OF KETU 4 - NOCTURNAL EMISSION and> > MASTURBATION BEGAN, THAT REACHED TO ITS PEAK DURING THE AGE OF 21. > > > Rahu's waves moving in circle of Mercury at 21. Suicidal tendencies> > and signs of madness EMERGED. IN FACT, PROBLEM OF LACK OF SEMEN> > REMAINED HIDDEN IN THE BACKDROP, AND THE PROPOSALS FOR MARRIAGE PROVED> > FUTILE.> > > > > > (I think Pundit ji probably indicated that reason behind his mental> > status and suicidal attitude was the result of likely impotency> > because of nocturnal emission and masturbation that caused the> > floundering of marriage proposals).> > > > > > You have further written that:> > > \\As we all know, the first six years of life any horoscope> > is ruled> > by Saturn as per the 35-years circulation. ...\\> > > > > > I am afraid this is not correct; the 35-year circle may begin with> > any of the 9 planets. In the present example Saturn does not fit> > anywhere, neither as per the serial numbers given to planets in the> > 35-year circulation neither according to its placement in the> > horoscope to be the first planet of 35-year circulation. > > > > > > Respectfully> > > Yograj Prabhakar> > > > > > > > > , "Finn Wandahl"> > <finn.wandahl@ ...> wrote:> > > >> > > > Dear Members,> > > > > > > > While following the very interesting debate about Dharmi Tewa, I> > came to> > > > think about the many cases when a Dharmi Tewa gets combined with> > one or> > > > more of the other four types of Tewas like, f.ex. Andhey Tewa (Blind> > > > chart) or Nabalig Tewa (Adolescent/ Non-adult chart),> > etc.,> > meaning when> > > > two or more types of combinations are available in the same> horoscope.> > > > This give rise to a number of different variations. This way> obviously> > > > Dharmi Tewas comes in all sizes and shapes, and a number of very> > > > interesting observations can be made. In this context I couldn't> help> > > > remembering Example No. 17 from the chapter about Annual> > predictions in> > > > LK-1952, because this chart has some very interesting combined> > > > Tewa-types.> > > > > > > > Example No. 17 is the horoscope of a male person of Scorpio-Asc with> > > > Moon & Mars in 2nd, Ketu in 4th, Sat in 6th, Rahu in 10th, Jup & > > Ven in> > > > 11th and finally Sun & Merc in the 12th house.> > > > > > > > The chart is a wonderful example of exceptions and contradictive> > > > influences. No doubt the chart must be considered as a Dharmi> > Tewa> > since> > > > there is Ketu in 4th and Rahu in 10th, but at the same time the> chart> > > > also qualifies as both Nabalig Tewa and Andhey Tewa, as I will> explain> > > > later. I think these different and contradictive influences needs> > to be> > > > taken into account. Therefore a deeper investigation is needed.> > There is> > > > much more in this chart than what meets the eye.> > > > > > > > Pundit Ji has given the following very brief but brilliant> delineation> > > > of the chart, which I will try my best to explain in details,> > taking it> > > > bit by bit:> > > > > > > > (Quote:) "Houses built between the age of 17 and 19. Sister born> > after 3> > > > years. Malefic effect of Mercury til the age of 17. Venus No. 11 -> > > > contact with women. Jupiter No. 11 - only airy thoughts and> results in> > > > Ketu No. 4 - loss of semen. Helplessness will be peaked> > at the age of> > > > 21. Rahu's waves moving in circle of Mercury at 21. Suicidal> > tendencies> > > > and signs of madness. Semen defect remained. Marriage proposal> > > > floundered".> > > > > > > > Why are houses built between age of 17 and 19 years of this person?> > > > > > > > Well, Saturn signifies houses and Saturn is benefic by being in> > the 6th> > > > and having Ketu behind it. Mercury-Saturn combination by itself> means> > > > favourable property, and Sun-Mercury combination gives excellent> > > > results, provided Saturn does not aspect them, which it actually> > does in> > > > this case. Further, with Sun-Mercury combination, for half period of> > > > Mercury (17 = half of 34), Mercury will not be able to give its> > separate> > > > effect, and therefore the houses could be built only after the> age of> > > > 17.> > > > > > > > Why is a sister> > born after 3 years?> > > > > > > > As we all know, the first six years of life any horoscope is> ruled by> > > > Saturn as per the 35-years circulation. Then if Saturn is in the 6th> > > > house it aspects the planets in the 2nd house with a malefic> > effect This> > > > is an exception-rule of Lal Kitab. In this case Saturn aspects> Mars in> > > > the 2nd house thereby preventing Mars to materialize itself in the> > form> > > > of a younger brother.> > > > > > > > However, at the same time there is another exception rule in> operation> > > > in this chart. It is said in Lal Kitab that when Mercury is in the> > 12th> > > > house it aspects any planet in the 6th house. Now since both> > Mercury and> > > > the 6th house indicate sisters, the chart can be said to> indicate the> > > > birth of a younger sister, rather than a brother, at that particular> > > > age.> > > >> > > > > > Then the reading speaks of the Venus-Jupiter combination in the> > 11th, as> > > > indicating contact with women - BUT only airy thoughts, meaning no> > > > substantial results like engagement, marriage - This is probably the> > > > results of the Venus-Jupiter combination which by itself is said> > to give> > > > false hopes and wishful thinking. Thus resulting in Ketu No. 4 -> > loos of> > > > semen (masturbation? ). Perhaps also because there is a> > 6/8-relationship> > > > (Yoga-dristi) between Ketu in the 4th and Venus-Jupiter in the 11th.> > > > > > > > Why will helplessness be peaked at the age of 21?> > > > > > > > This timing is no doubt related to Rahu, since 21 is half the> > period of> > > > Rahu (21 = half of 42). The helplessness is partly caused by the> > malefic> > > > Rahu in the 10th house and partly by Ketu in the 4th. Rahu is> > destroyed> > >> > > (malefic) because Jupiter is in the 11th. Further more, Rahu & > Ketu in> > > > 4th/10th house not only makes a Dharmi Tewa, it also makes a Nabalig> > > > Tewa, meaning someone who remain adolescent and lacking in maturity.> > > > According to Lal Kitab a person of Nabalig Tewa will always have> > to seek> > > > help/assistance of others, and this helplessness will peak at 21> > in this> > > > case. It could perhaps be argued that the combination of both> Dharmi & > > > > Nabalic Tewa in the same chart makes a good disciple but a poor> Guru.> > > > But that is another discussion.> > > > > > > > What does it mean that Rahu's waves are moving in the circle of> > Mercury> > > > at the age of 21 years?> > > > > > > > To know this we need to understand the "Modus operandi" of Rahu> in the> > > > 10th house. It is said in LK that Rahu, Ketu or Mercury in the> > 10th> > will> > > > move as per dictates of Saturn. If Saturn is benefic, they will be> > twice> > > > beneficial, otherwise, the reverse. In this case Saturn is benefic> > being> > > > in the 6th with Ketu behind it. Yes, but Saturn is actually> located in> > > > the "Empty Circle of Mercury".> > > > > > > > What is the "Empty Circle of Mercury"?> > > > > > > > Some may think otherwise, but according to my opinion and> > experience the> > > > "Empty Circle of Mercury" is in the 3rd, 6th, 9th and 12th houses.> > There> > > > are some good arguments in support of this. It is said in LK> that Rahu> > > > and Ketu move within the Circle of Mercury. This makes sense since> > they> > > > have their exaltations, debilitation and fixed houses in the> 3rd, 6th,> > > > 9th and 12th houses. Also Mercury is the only planet capable of> > > > aspecting from ALL of these house, meaning not only> > from the 3rd and> > > > 6th, like all other planets do, but also from the 9th and 12th (as> > rules> > > > of exceptions). Thus whenever Mercury activates this evil circle it> > > > becomes like a House of Maya or a Hall of Mirrors, where you see the> > > > illusion of yourself reflected in all kinds of grotesque forms and> > > > shapes.> > > > > > > > Why the suicidal tendencies and signs of madness?> > > > > > > > Well, I think a part of the reason is that Rahu in the 10th is> > malefic.> > > > Another part is no doubt the fact that Rahu's waves, being> transmitted> > > > through Saturn, are moving within the "Empty Circle of Mercury".> > > > > > > > There is however also another possible explanation for this.> Earlier I> > > > said this chart was not only a Dharmi Tewa but also an Andhey Tewa,> > > > meaning a Blind chart, both operating simultaniously. It is said> > in LK> > > > that with a blind chart all planets, incl. Saturn, even if exalted,> > > > would behave like the blind people and Sat will be malefic. The> powers> > > > of sight, discrimination, good judgement all gets badly affected.> > > > > > > > But how can this chart be blind when there is only one planet,> > Rahu, in> > > > the 10th house?> > > > > > > > Please notice that Rahu is malefic, and look very carefully at the> > 12th> > > > house, the root of Rahu. The Sun is in the 12th house and therefore> > > > there is a conjunction of Rahu and Sun by root. Actually this is> > all it> > > > takes to turn this into a blind chart.> > > > > > > > In my opinion the suicidal tendencies and signs of madness are the> > > > combined results of a Dharmi Tewa being subject to malefic Rahu,> blind> > > > chart indication and the "Empty Circle of Mercury".> > > >> > > > > > Best regards,> > > > Finn Wandahl> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! Go to> http://messenger. / invite/> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 27, 2008 Report Share Posted November 27, 2008 Dear Umesh Sharma, I do not understand hindi/urdu, so kindly write me in english. Best regards, Finn -- In , " Umesh Sharma " <mudit982001 wrote: > > > Dear Finn Ji, > > First of all accept my Heartily Salute. The charms of your analysis > captivate the Soul. > > Sir, in case of " 35 sala Chakkar " My observation is below > > Pt. Ji wrote in:- > > Aarmaan no. 113 A, Chapter: " EK DIN KA HAAL " > LK-Edition-1940 " > > 1. Har Ek Vyakati Ki Kismat Ka Haal " Janam Samay Ke Grah " se > shuru hota hey. > > Chapter " PAHLE SAPTAH MAIN " > > K. TAKHAT KE MAALIK GRAHON KE LIYE: ( Yani Varshaphal vali Talika) > > " JANAM SAMAY KA GRAH SABSE PAHLE SHURU HONE VALA GINEGAIN " > Uskey baad Lalkitab page no. 7(Pt. Ji ne yah havala 1939 vali kitab ka > diya hey jismain unhoney grahon ka kraram (Sequence) di hey) par diye > huey karram se baki grahon ko likhaingey. > > I try to explain this method with below example > > Date of Birth: 15-09-1985 Time:-15:20 Day: Sunday Place: Delhi > > Janam Din Ka Grah- Surya > > Janam Samay ka Grah- Venus > > Now The sequence Start from > > Venus 3yrs +Jupiter 6yrs+Sun 2yrs+Moon 1yrs+ Venus 3yrs+Mars 6yrs+Merc > 2yrs+Shani 6yrs+Rahu 6yrs+Ketu 3yrs=Total-59yra. The First cucle of > 35th year is running upto 38th years. Iind cycle Start from its own > sequence that is start with Jupiter. > > In this contest you can read: " 35 SAALA CHAKKAR " in 1952 Edition > : Pt. Ji wrote " Grahon ka 35 saala chakkar aur Insaan ki Umar ka 35 > saala chakkar do alag alag batain hain. " > > In this regard pt. Ji given a example in this chapter in which pt. Ji > wrote about this " Ki eska pehla grah brahaspati ki bajay Shani shuru ho > aur Janamdin ki bajay 7vain saal se shuru ho. Ab tamam grah 35 saal main > hi apna daura poora kar lengey. Jab aakhiri grah ka aakhiri din hoga us > vakat Insaan ki Umar 35 saal ka daura jama 6 saal, yaani kul umar 41 > saal hey aur doosra chakkar janamDin valley grah ki doosri chaal hogi. > > I am not claim that I am right but my understanding is this. > > > Thanks > > > Regards > > > Umesh Sharma > > , " Finn Wandahl " <finn.wandahl@> > wrote: > > > > Dear Yograj Ji, > > > > This information on how to calculate 35-years circulation is very > > interesting. Thank you for sharing it! > > > > Best regards, > > Finn > > > > > > , Yograj Prabhakar > > yr_prabhakar@ wrote: > > > > > > Respected Dr Sahib, > > > Sa'adar Pranaam. > > > > > > Sir, In case of more than one planet in one house, we have to follow > > the serial number given to each planet in the 35-year cycle. > > > > > > Respectfully > > > Yograj Prabhakar > > > > > > --- On Tue, 25/11/08, kiranjit kumar kapatjal@ wrote: > > > kiranjit kumar kapatjal@ > > > Re: Re: dharmi tewa > > > > > > Tuesday, 25 November, 2008, 7:33 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thanks prabhakar ji. But what if more than one planets r > > placed in the first house in the natal chart? > > >  > > > with best wishes, > > > kiranjit > > > > > > --- On Tue, 11/25/08, Yograj Prabhakar <yr_prabhakar@ > > wrote: > > > > > > Yograj Prabhakar <yr_prabhakar@ > > > > Re: dharmi tewa > > > > > > Tuesday, November 25, 2008, 11:37 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Respected Dr. Sahib, > > > Sa'adar Pranaam. > > > > > > for understanding the 35-year circle one must be aware of the > crucial > > > concept of " Greh Ka Daura " (tenure), " Greh ka Daura " is the crux of > > > the matter. Actually, this " Daura " is the time when any planet comes > > > to the First house of the horoscope. Any planet that comes on in the > > > Ist house (either in natal of Varsphal chart) will be the first > planet > > > of 35-Yar cycle scheme. See the example of the following imaginary > > > planetary configuration of a natal chart: > > > > > > 1st house - empty > > > 2nd house - empty > > > 3rd house - mars > > > 4th house - moon > > > 5th house - Ketu > > > 6th house - Jupiter > > > 7th house - sun+Mer > > > 8th house - venus > > > 9th house - enpty > > > 10th house -empty > > > 11th house - Rahu > > > 12th house -Saturn > > > > > > In this chart, First and second houses are empty. As per the > Varshphal > > > chart, planet of the 3rd house (Mars) will come in the 1st house > > > during the 3rd year of native's > > > age. So from this 3rd year his first > > > 35-years Cycle will begin with Mars as the first planet of 35-year > > > cycle, the other planets may follow accordingly. > > > > > > You must have noticed that sometimes back this 35-Saala chakkar was > > > described so maladroitly in another blog that it became a " 35-Saala > > > Ghan-chakkar " since they never considered/studied the important > aspect > > > of " Greh Ka Daura " . > > > > > > Respectfully > > > Yograj Prabhakar > > > > > > , kiranjit kumar <kapatjal@ .> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > dear Prabhakar ji, > > > >  > > > > going a little of the track from dharmi tewa. > > > >  > > > > u r very right that the 35 year cycle at birth may start with any > of > > > the planets. > > > > Could u please elaborate as to how to find out the operative > planet > > > at birth for a given horoscope as par 35 years > > > claculations. > > > >  > > > > With best wishes;, > > > > kiranjit > > > > > > > > --- On Mon, 11/24/08, Yograj Prabhakar <yr_prabhakar@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > Yograj Prabhakar <yr_prabhakar@ ...> > > > > Re: dharmi tewa > > > > > > > > Monday, November 24, 2008, 5:11 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Respected Finn Sahib, > > > > > > > > You explained this 11 lines example (LK-1952, Page 975) > beautifully; > > > please accept my heartiest congratulations for this wonderful post. > > > With your permission, I am reproducing the full Para Quoted by you > > > with slight corrections (forgive me for capital letters) to make the > > > things easier to understand as there are many flaws in the > English > > > translated book. > > > > > > > > (Quote) > > > > > > > Houses built between the age of 17 and 19. > > > > Sister born after 3 years. Malefic effect of Mercury til the age > > of 17. > > > > Venus No. 11 - contact with women. > > > > Jupiter No. 11 - MERE IMAGINATION, > > > > and FINALLY THE RESULT OF KETU 4 - NOCTURNAL EMISSION and > > > MASTURBATION BEGAN, THAT REACHED TO ITS PEAK DURING THE AGE OF > 21. > > > > Rahu's waves moving in circle of Mercury at 21. Suicidal > tendencies > > > and signs of madness EMERGED. IN FACT, PROBLEM OF LACK OF SEMEN > > > REMAINED HIDDEN IN THE BACKDROP, AND THE PROPOSALS FOR MARRIAGE > PROVED > > > FUTILE. > > > > > > > > (I think Pundit ji probably indicated that reason behind his > mental > > > status and suicidal attitude was the result of likely impotency > > > because of nocturnal emission and masturbation that caused the > > > floundering of marriage proposals). > > > > > > > > You have further written that: > > > > \\As we all know, the first six years of life any horoscope > > > is ruled > > > by Saturn as per the 35-years circulation. ...\\ > > > > > > > > I am afraid this is not correct; the 35-year circle may begin with > > > any of the 9 planets. In the present example Saturn does not fit > > > anywhere, neither as per the serial numbers given to planets in the > > > 35-year circulation neither according to its placement in the > > > horoscope to be the first planet of 35-year circulation. > > > > > > > > Respectfully > > > > Yograj Prabhakar > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Finn Wandahl " > > > <finn.wandahl@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Members, > > > > > > > > > > While following the very interesting debate about Dharmi Tewa, I > > > came to > > > > > think about the many cases when a Dharmi Tewa gets combined with > > > one or > > > > > more of the other four types of Tewas like, f.ex. Andhey Tewa > (Blind > > > > > chart) or Nabalig Tewa (Adolescent/ Non-adult chart), > > > etc., > > > meaning when > > > > > two or more types of combinations are available in the same > > horoscope. > > > > > This give rise to a number of different variations. This way > > obviously > > > > > Dharmi Tewas comes in all sizes and shapes, and a number of very > > > > > interesting observations can be made. In this context I couldn't > > help > > > > > remembering Example No. 17 from the chapter about Annual > > > predictions in > > > > > LK-1952, because this chart has some very interesting combined > > > > > Tewa-types. > > > > > > > > > > Example No. 17 is the horoscope of a male person of Scorpio-Asc > with > > > > > Moon & Mars in 2nd, Ketu in 4th, Sat in 6th, Rahu in 10th, Jup & > > > Ven in > > > > > 11th and finally Sun & Merc in the 12th house. > > > > > > > > > > The chart is a wonderful example of exceptions and contradictive > > > > > influences. No doubt the chart must be considered as a Dharmi > > > Tewa > > > since > > > > > there is Ketu in 4th and Rahu in 10th, but at the same time the > > chart > > > > > also qualifies as both Nabalig Tewa and Andhey Tewa, as I will > > explain > > > > > later. I think these different and contradictive influences > needs > > > to be > > > > > taken into account. Therefore a deeper investigation is needed. > > > There is > > > > > much more in this chart than what meets the eye. > > > > > > > > > > Pundit Ji has given the following very brief but brilliant > > delineation > > > > > of the chart, which I will try my best to explain in details, > > > taking it > > > > > bit by bit: > > > > > > > > > > (Quote:) " Houses built between the age of 17 and 19. Sister born > > > after 3 > > > > > years. Malefic effect of Mercury til the age of 17. Venus No. 11 > - > > > > > contact with women. Jupiter No. 11 - only airy thoughts and > > results in > > > > > Ketu No. 4 - loss of semen. Helplessness will be peaked > > > at the age of > > > > > 21. Rahu's waves moving in circle of Mercury at 21. Suicidal > > > tendencies > > > > > and signs of madness. Semen defect remained. Marriage proposal > > > > > floundered " . > > > > > > > > > > Why are houses built between age of 17 and 19 years of this > person? > > > > > > > > > > Well, Saturn signifies houses and Saturn is benefic by being in > > > the 6th > > > > > and having Ketu behind it. Mercury-Saturn combination by itself > > means > > > > > favourable property, and Sun-Mercury combination gives excellent > > > > > results, provided Saturn does not aspect them, which it actually > > > does in > > > > > this case. Further, with Sun-Mercury combination, for half > period of > > > > > Mercury (17 = half of 34), Mercury will not be able to give its > > > separate > > > > > effect, and therefore the houses could be built only after the > > age of > > > > > 17. > > > > > > > > > > Why is a sister > > > born after 3 years? > > > > > > > > > > As we all know, the first six years of life any horoscope is > > ruled by > > > > > Saturn as per the 35-years circulation. Then if Saturn is in the > 6th > > > > > house it aspects the planets in the 2nd house with a malefic > > > effect This > > > > > is an exception-rule of Lal Kitab. In this case Saturn aspects > > Mars in > > > > > the 2nd house thereby preventing Mars to materialize itself in > the > > > form > > > > > of a younger brother. > > > > > > > > > > However, at the same time there is another exception rule in > > operation > > > > > in this chart. It is said in Lal Kitab that when Mercury is in > the > > > 12th > > > > > house it aspects any planet in the 6th house. Now since both > > > Mercury and > > > > > the 6th house indicate sisters, the chart can be said to > > indicate the > > > > > birth of a younger sister, rather than a brother, at that > particular > > > > > age. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Then the reading speaks of the Venus-Jupiter combination in the > > > 11th, as > > > > > indicating contact with women - BUT only airy thoughts, meaning > no > > > > > substantial results like engagement, marriage - This is probably > the > > > > > results of the Venus-Jupiter combination which by itself is said > > > to give > > > > > false hopes and wishful thinking. Thus resulting in Ketu No. 4 - > > > loos of > > > > > semen (masturbation? ). Perhaps also because there is a > > > 6/8-relationship > > > > > (Yoga-dristi) between Ketu in the 4th and Venus-Jupiter in the > 11th. > > > > > > > > > > Why will helplessness be peaked at the age of 21? > > > > > > > > > > This timing is no doubt related to Rahu, since 21 is half the > > > period of > > > > > Rahu (21 = half of 42). The helplessness is partly caused by the > > > malefic > > > > > Rahu in the 10th house and partly by Ketu in the 4th. Rahu is > > > destroyed > > > > > > > > (malefic) because Jupiter is in the 11th. Further more, Rahu & > > Ketu in > > > > > 4th/10th house not only makes a Dharmi Tewa, it also makes a > Nabalig > > > > > Tewa, meaning someone who remain adolescent and lacking in > maturity. > > > > > According to Lal Kitab a person of Nabalig Tewa will always have > > > to seek > > > > > help/assistance of others, and this helplessness will peak at 21 > > > in this > > > > > case. It could perhaps be argued that the combination of both > > Dharmi & > > > > > Nabalic Tewa in the same chart makes a good disciple but a poor > > Guru. > > > > > But that is another discussion. > > > > > > > > > > What does it mean that Rahu's waves are moving in the circle of > > > Mercury > > > > > at the age of 21 years? > > > > > > > > > > To know this we need to understand the " Modus operandi " of Rahu > > in the > > > > > 10th house. It is said in LK that Rahu, Ketu or Mercury in the > > > 10th > > > will > > > > > move as per dictates of Saturn. If Saturn is benefic, they will > be > > > twice > > > > > beneficial, otherwise, the reverse. In this case Saturn is > benefic > > > being > > > > > in the 6th with Ketu behind it. Yes, but Saturn is actually > > located in > > > > > the " Empty Circle of Mercury " . > > > > > > > > > > What is the " Empty Circle of Mercury " ? > > > > > > > > > > Some may think otherwise, but according to my opinion and > > > experience the > > > > > " Empty Circle of Mercury " is in the 3rd, 6th, 9th and 12th > houses. > > > There > > > > > are some good arguments in support of this. It is said in LK > > that Rahu > > > > > and Ketu move within the Circle of Mercury. This makes sense > since > > > they > > > > > have their exaltations, debilitation and fixed houses in the > > 3rd, 6th, > > > > > 9th and 12th houses. Also Mercury is the only planet capable of > > > > > aspecting from ALL of these house, meaning not only > > > from the 3rd and > > > > > 6th, like all other planets do, but also from the 9th and 12th > (as > > > rules > > > > > of exceptions). Thus whenever Mercury activates this evil circle > it > > > > > becomes like a House of Maya or a Hall of Mirrors, where you see > the > > > > > illusion of yourself reflected in all kinds of grotesque forms > and > > > > > shapes. > > > > > > > > > > Why the suicidal tendencies and signs of madness? > > > > > > > > > > Well, I think a part of the reason is that Rahu in the 10th is > > > malefic. > > > > > Another part is no doubt the fact that Rahu's waves, being > > transmitted > > > > > through Saturn, are moving within the " Empty Circle of Mercury " . > > > > > > > > > > There is however also another possible explanation for this. > > Earlier I > > > > > said this chart was not only a Dharmi Tewa but also an Andhey > Tewa, > > > > > meaning a Blind chart, both operating simultaniously. It is said > > > in LK > > > > > that with a blind chart all planets, incl. Saturn, even if > exalted, > > > > > would behave like the blind people and Sat will be malefic. The > > powers > > > > > of sight, discrimination, good judgement all gets badly > affected. > > > > > > > > > > But how can this chart be blind when there is only one planet, > > > Rahu, in > > > > > the 10th house? > > > > > > > > > > Please notice that Rahu is malefic, and look very carefully at > the > > > 12th > > > > > house, the root of Rahu. The Sun is in the 12th house and > therefore > > > > > there is a conjunction of Rahu and Sun by root. Actually this is > > > all it > > > > > takes to turn this into a blind chart. > > > > > > > > > > In my opinion the suicidal tendencies and signs of madness are > the > > > > > combined results of a Dharmi Tewa being subject to malefic Rahu, > > blind > > > > > chart indication and the " Empty Circle of Mercury " . > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > > Finn Wandahl > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! Go to > > http://messenger./invite/ > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 27, 2008 Report Share Posted November 27, 2008 Dear Jatin Ji, I want to say that 35 Saala chakkar start from " Janam Samay Ke Grah " se. Thanks Regard Umesh Sharma , Jattin Kapila <jattinkapila wrote:> > Dear Umesh ji, > pranaam > wht u hv written i am confused little > plz elaborate 35 yr cycle properly, > as u hv confused the concept what ur trying to say is written in LK. > we all want explanation from u sir plz help us sir. > learner > lal kitab > jattin > > --- On Wed, 11/26/08, Umesh Sharma <mudit982001 wrote: > > Umesh Sharma <mudit982001 > Re: dharmi tewa > > Wednesday, November 26, 2008, 7:25 PM > Dear Finn Ji, > First of all accept my Heartily Salute. The charms of your analysis captivate the Soul. > Sir, in case of " 35 sala Chakkar " My observation is below > Pt. Ji wrote in:- > Aarmaan no. 113 A, Chapter: " EK DIN KA HAAL " LK-Edition-1940 " > 1. Har Ek Vyakati Ki Kismat Ka Haal " Janam Samay Ke Grah " se shuru hota hey. > Chapter " PAHLE SAPTAH MAIN " > K. TAKHAT KE MAALIK GRAHON KE LIYE: ( Yani Varshaphal vali Talika) > " JANAM SAMAY KA GRAH SABSE PAHLE SHURU HONE VALA GINEGAIN " Uskey baad Lalkitab page no. 7(Pt. Ji ne yah havala 1939 vali kitab ka diya hey jismain unhoney grahon ka kraram (Sequence) di hey) par diye huey karram se baki grahon ko likhaingey. > I try to explain this method with below example > Date of Birth: 15-09-1985 Time:-15:20 Day: Sunday Place: Delhi > Janam Din Ka Grah- Surya > Janam Samay ka Grah- Venus > Now The sequence Start from > Venus 3yrs +Jupiter 6yrs+Sun 2yrs+Moon 1yrs+ Venus 3yrs+Mars 6yrs+Merc 2yrs+Shani 6yrs+Rahu 6yrs+Ketu 3yrs=Total-59yra. The First cucle of 35th year is running upto 38th years. Iind cycle Start from its own sequence that is start with Jupiter. > In this contest you can read: " 35 SAALA CHAKKAR " in 1952 Edition : Pt. Ji wrote " Grahon ka 35 saala chakkar aur Insaan ki Umar ka 35 saala chakkar do alag alag batain hain. " > In this regard pt. Ji given a example in this chapter in which pt. Ji wrote about this " Ki eska pehla grah brahaspati ki bajay Shani shuru ho aur Janamdin ki bajay 7vain saal se shuru ho. Ab tamam grah 35 saal main hi apna daura poora kar lengey. Jab aakhiri grah ka aakhiri din hoga us vakat Insaan ki Umar 35 saal ka daura jama 6 saal, yaani kul umar 41 saal hey aur doosra chakkar janamDin valley grah ki doosri chaal hogi. > I am not claim that I am right but my understanding is this. > Thanks > Regards > Umesh Sharma > , " Finn Wandahl " <finn.wandahl@ ...> wrote: > > > > Dear Yograj Ji, > > > > This information on how to calculate 35-years circulation is very > > interesting. Thank you for sharing it! > > > > Best regards, > > Finn > > > > > > , Yograj Prabhakar > > yr_prabhakar@ wrote: > > > > > > Respected Dr Sahib, > > > Sa'adar Pranaam. > > > > > > Sir, In case of more than one planet in one house, we have to follow > > the serial number given to each planet in the 35-year cycle. > > > > > > Respectfully > > > Yograj Prabhakar > > > > > > --- On Tue, 25/11/08, kiranjit kumar kapatjal@ wrote: > > > kiranjit kumar kapatjal@ > > > Re: Re: dharmi tewa > > > > > > Tuesday, 25 November, 2008, 7:33 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thanks prabhakar ji. But what if more than one planets r > > placed in the first house in the natal chart? > > >  > > > with best wishes, > > > kiranjit > > > > > > --- On Tue, 11/25/08, Yograj Prabhakar <yr_prabhakar@ > wrote: > > > > > > Yograj Prabhakar <yr_prabhakar@ > > > > Re: dharmi tewa > > > > > > Tuesday, November 25, 2008, 11:37 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Respected Dr. Sahib, > > > Sa'adar Pranaam. > > > > > > for understanding the 35-year circle one must be aware of the crucial > > > concept of " Greh Ka Daura " (tenure), " Greh ka Daura " is the crux of > > > the matter. Actually, this " Daura " is the time when any planet comes > > > to the First house of the horoscope. Any planet that comes on in the > > > Ist house (either in natal of Varsphal chart) will be the first planet > > > of 35-Yar cycle scheme. See the example of the following imaginary > > > planetary configuration of a natal chart: > > > > > > 1st house - empty > > > 2nd house - empty > > > 3rd house - mars > > > 4th house - moon > > > 5th house - Ketu > > > 6th house - Jupiter > > > 7th house - sun+Mer > > > 8th house - venus > > > 9th house - enpty > > > 10th house -empty > > > 11th house - Rahu > > > 12th house -Saturn > > > > > > In this chart, First and second houses are empty. As per the Varshphal > > > chart, planet of the 3rd house (Mars) will come in the 1st house > > > during the 3rd year of native's > > > age. So from this 3rd year his first > > > 35-years Cycle will begin with Mars as the first planet of 35- year > > > cycle, the other planets may follow accordingly. > > > > > > You must have noticed that sometimes back this 35-Saala chakkar was > > > described so maladroitly in another blog that it became a " 35- Saala > > > Ghan-chakkar " since they never considered/studied the important aspect > > > of " Greh Ka Daura " . > > > > > > Respectfully > > > Yograj Prabhakar > > > > > > , kiranjit kumar <kapatjal@ .> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > dear Prabhakar ji, > > > >  > > > > going a little of the track from dharmi tewa. > > > >  > > > > u r very right that the 35 year cycle at birth may start with any of > > > the planets. > > > > Could u please elaborate as to how to find out the operative planet > > > at birth for a given horoscope as par 35 years > > > claculations. > > > >  > > > > With best wishes;, > > > > kiranjit > > > > > > > > --- On Mon, 11/24/08, Yograj Prabhakar <yr_prabhakar@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > Yograj Prabhakar <yr_prabhakar@ ...> > > > > Re: dharmi tewa > > > > > > > > Monday, November 24, 2008, 5:11 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Respected Finn Sahib, > > > > > > > > You explained this 11 lines example (LK-1952, Page 975) beautifully; > > > please accept my heartiest congratulations for this wonderful post. > > > With your permission, I am reproducing the full Para Quoted by you > > > with slight corrections (forgive me for capital letters) to make the > > > things easier to understand as there are many flaws in the English > > > translated book. > > > > > > > > (Quote) > > > > > > > Houses built between the age of 17 and 19. > > > > Sister born after 3 years. Malefic effect of Mercury til the age > > of 17. > > > > Venus No. 11 - contact with women. > > > > Jupiter No. 11 - MERE IMAGINATION, > > > > and FINALLY THE RESULT OF KETU 4 - NOCTURNAL EMISSION and > > > MASTURBATION BEGAN, THAT REACHED TO ITS PEAK DURING THE AGE OF 21. > > > > Rahu's waves moving in circle of Mercury at 21. Suicidal tendencies > > > and signs of madness EMERGED. IN FACT, PROBLEM OF LACK OF SEMEN > > > REMAINED HIDDEN IN THE BACKDROP, AND THE PROPOSALS FOR MARRIAGE PROVED > > > FUTILE. > > > > > > > > (I think Pundit ji probably indicated that reason behind his mental > > > status and suicidal attitude was the result of likely impotency > > > because of nocturnal emission and masturbation that caused the > > > floundering of marriage proposals). > > > > > > > > You have further written that: > > > > \\As we all know, the first six years of life any horoscope > > > is ruled > > > by Saturn as per the 35-years circulation. ...\\ > > > > > > > > I am afraid this is not correct; the 35-year circle may begin with > > > any of the 9 planets. In the present example Saturn does not fit > > > anywhere, neither as per the serial numbers given to planets in the > > > 35-year circulation neither according to its placement in the > > > horoscope to be the first planet of 35-year circulation. > > > > > > > > Respectfully > > > > Yograj Prabhakar > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Finn Wandahl " > > > <finn.wandahl@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Members, > > > > > > > > > > While following the very interesting debate about Dharmi Tewa, I > > > came to > > > > > think about the many cases when a Dharmi Tewa gets combined with > > > one or > > > > > more of the other four types of Tewas like, f.ex. Andhey Tewa (Blind > > > > > chart) or Nabalig Tewa (Adolescent/ Non-adult chart), > > > etc., > > > meaning when > > > > > two or more types of combinations are available in the same > > horoscope. > > > > > This give rise to a number of different variations. This way > > obviously > > > > > Dharmi Tewas comes in all sizes and shapes, and a number of very > > > > > interesting observations can be made. In this context I couldn't > > help > > > > > remembering Example No. 17 from the chapter about Annual > > > predictions in > > > > > LK-1952, because this chart has some very interesting combined > > > > > Tewa-types. > > > > > > > > > > Example No. 17 is the horoscope of a male person of Scorpio- Asc with > > > > > Moon & Mars in 2nd, Ketu in 4th, Sat in 6th, Rahu in 10th, Jup & > > > Ven in > > > > > 11th and finally Sun & Merc in the 12th house. > > > > > > > > > > The chart is a wonderful example of exceptions and contradictive > > > > > influences. No doubt the chart must be considered as a Dharmi > > > Tewa > > > since > > > > > there is Ketu in 4th and Rahu in 10th, but at the same time the > > chart > > > > > also qualifies as both Nabalig Tewa and Andhey Tewa, as I will > > explain > > > > > later. I think these different and contradictive influences needs > > > to be > > > > > taken into account. Therefore a deeper investigation is needed. > > > There is > > > > > much more in this chart than what meets the eye. > > > > > > > > > > Pundit Ji has given the following very brief but brilliant > > delineation > > > > > of the chart, which I will try my best to explain in details, > > > taking it > > > > > bit by bit: > > > > > > > > > > (Quote:) " Houses built between the age of 17 and 19. Sister born > > > after 3 > > > > > years. Malefic effect of Mercury til the age of 17. Venus No. 11 - > > > > > contact with women. Jupiter No. 11 - only airy thoughts and > > results in > > > > > Ketu No. 4 - loss of semen. Helplessness will be peaked > > > at the age of > > > > > 21. Rahu's waves moving in circle of Mercury at 21. Suicidal > > > tendencies > > > > > and signs of madness. Semen defect remained. Marriage proposal > > > > > floundered " . > > > > > > > > > > Why are houses built between age of 17 and 19 years of this person? > > > > > > > > > > Well, Saturn signifies houses and Saturn is benefic by being in > > > the 6th > > > > > and having Ketu behind it. Mercury-Saturn combination by itself > > means > > > > > favourable property, and Sun-Mercury combination gives excellent > > > > > results, provided Saturn does not aspect them, which it actually > > > does in > > > > > this case. Further, with Sun-Mercury combination, for half period of > > > > > Mercury (17 = half of 34), Mercury will not be able to give its > > > separate > > > > > effect, and therefore the houses could be built only after the > > age of > > > > > 17. > > > > > > > > > > Why is a sister > > > born after 3 years? > > > > > > > > > > As we all know, the first six years of life any horoscope is > > ruled by > > > > > Saturn as per the 35-years circulation. Then if Saturn is in the 6th > > > > > house it aspects the planets in the 2nd house with a malefic > > > effect This > > > > > is an exception-rule of Lal Kitab. In this case Saturn aspects > > Mars in > > > > > the 2nd house thereby preventing Mars to materialize itself in the > > > form > > > > > of a younger brother. > > > > > > > > > > However, at the same time there is another exception rule in > > operation > > > > > in this chart. It is said in Lal Kitab that when Mercury is in the > > > 12th > > > > > house it aspects any planet in the 6th house. Now since both > > > Mercury and > > > > > the 6th house indicate sisters, the chart can be said to > > indicate the > > > > > birth of a younger sister, rather than a brother, at that particular > > > > > age. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Then the reading speaks of the Venus-Jupiter combination in the > > > 11th, as > > > > > indicating contact with women - BUT only airy thoughts, meaning no > > > > > substantial results like engagement, marriage - This is probably the > > > > > results of the Venus-Jupiter combination which by itself is said > > > to give > > > > > false hopes and wishful thinking. Thus resulting in Ketu No. 4 - > > > loos of > > > > > semen (masturbation? ). Perhaps also because there is a > > > 6/8-relationship > > > > > (Yoga-dristi) between Ketu in the 4th and Venus-Jupiter in the 11th.. > > > > > > > > > > Why will helplessness be peaked at the age of 21? > > > > > > > > > > This timing is no doubt related to Rahu, since 21 is half the > > > period of > > > > > Rahu (21 = half of 42). The helplessness is partly caused by the > > > malefic > > > > > Rahu in the 10th house and partly by Ketu in the 4th. Rahu is > > > destroyed > > > > > > > > (malefic) because Jupiter is in the 11th. Further more, Rahu & > > Ketu in > > > > > 4th/10th house not only makes a Dharmi Tewa, it also makes a Nabalig > > > > > Tewa, meaning someone who remain adolescent and lacking in maturity.. > > > > > According to Lal Kitab a person of Nabalig Tewa will always have > > > to seek > > > > > help/assistance of others, and this helplessness will peak at 21 > > > in this > > > > > case. It could perhaps be argued that the combination of both > > Dharmi & > > > > > Nabalic Tewa in the same chart makes a good disciple but a poor > > Guru. > > > > > But that is another discussion. > > > > > > > > > > What does it mean that Rahu's waves are moving in the circle of > > > Mercury > > > > > at the age of 21 years? > > > > > > > > > > To know this we need to understand the " Modus operandi " of Rahu > > in the > > > > > 10th house. It is said in LK that Rahu, Ketu or Mercury in the > > > 10th > > > will > > > > > move as per dictates of Saturn. If Saturn is benefic, they will be > > > twice > > > > > beneficial, otherwise, the reverse. In this case Saturn is benefic > > > being > > > > > in the 6th with Ketu behind it. Yes, but Saturn is actually > > located in > > > > > the " Empty Circle of Mercury " . > > > > > > > > > > What is the " Empty Circle of Mercury " ? > > > > > > > > > > Some may think otherwise, but according to my opinion and > > > experience the > > > > > " Empty Circle of Mercury " is in the 3rd, 6th, 9th and 12th houses. > > > There > > > > > are some good arguments in support of this. It is said in LK > > that Rahu > > > > > and Ketu move within the Circle of Mercury. This makes sense since > > > they > > > > > have their exaltations, debilitation and fixed houses in the > > 3rd, 6th, > > > > > 9th and 12th houses. Also Mercury is the only planet capable of > > > > > aspecting from ALL of these house, meaning not only > > > from the 3rd and > > > > > 6th, like all other planets do, but also from the 9th and 12th (as > > > rules > > > > > of exceptions). Thus whenever Mercury activates this evil circle it > > > > > becomes like a House of Maya or a Hall of Mirrors, where you see the > > > > > illusion of yourself reflected in all kinds of grotesque forms and > > > > > shapes. > > > > > > > > > > Why the suicidal tendencies and signs of madness? > > > > > > > > > > Well, I think a part of the reason is that Rahu in the 10th is > > > malefic. > > > > > Another part is no doubt the fact that Rahu's waves, being > > transmitted > > > > > through Saturn, are moving within the " Empty Circle of Mercury " . > > > > > > > > > > There is however also another possible explanation for this. > > Earlier I > > > > > said this chart was not only a Dharmi Tewa but also an Andhey Tewa, > > > > > meaning a Blind chart, both operating simultaniously. It is said > > > in LK > > > > > that with a blind chart all planets, incl. Saturn, even if exalted, > > > > > would behave like the blind people and Sat will be malefic. The > > powers > > > > > of sight, discrimination, good judgement all gets badly affected. > > > > > > > > > > But how can this chart be blind when there is only one planet, > > > Rahu, in > > > > > the 10th house? > > > > > > > > > > Please notice that Rahu is malefic, and look very carefully at the > > > 12th > > > > > house, the root of Rahu. The Sun is in the 12th house and therefore > > > > > there is a conjunction of Rahu and Sun by root. Actually this is > > > all it > > > > > takes to turn this into a blind chart. > > > > > > > > > > In my opinion the suicidal tendencies and signs of madness are the > > > > > combined results of a Dharmi Tewa being subject to malefic Rahu, > > blind > > > > > chart indication and the " Empty Circle of Mercury " . > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > > Finn Wandahl > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! Go to > > http://messenger. / invite/ > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 27, 2008 Report Share Posted November 27, 2008 Dear Finn ji, In brief I want to sat that cycle of 35th years start from " Janam Samay Ka Grah( Planet which is authorised for birth Time) " Which planet authorised for which time Pt. ji given a Table on page no.7 in his first book thaht's called " Farmaan 1939 Edition " . Thanks Regards Umesh Sharma , " Finn Wandahl " <finn.wandahl wrote: > > Dear Umesh Sharma, > > I do not understand hindi/urdu, so kindly write me in english. > > Best regards, > Finn > > > -- In , " Umesh Sharma " <mudit982001@> > wrote: > > > > > > Dear Finn Ji, > > > > First of all accept my Heartily Salute. The charms of your analysis > > captivate the Soul. > > > > Sir, in case of " 35 sala Chakkar " My observation is below > > > > Pt. Ji wrote in:- > > > > Aarmaan no. 113 A, Chapter: " EK DIN KA HAAL " > > LK-Edition-1940 " > > > > 1. Har Ek Vyakati Ki Kismat Ka Haal " Janam Samay Ke Grah " se > > shuru hota hey. > > > > Chapter " PAHLE SAPTAH MAIN " > > > > K. TAKHAT KE MAALIK GRAHON KE LIYE: ( Yani Varshaphal vali Talika) > > > > " JANAM SAMAY KA GRAH SABSE PAHLE SHURU HONE VALA GINEGAIN " > > Uskey baad Lalkitab page no. 7(Pt. Ji ne yah havala 1939 vali kitab ka > > diya hey jismain unhoney grahon ka kraram (Sequence) di hey) par diye > > huey karram se baki grahon ko likhaingey. > > > > I try to explain this method with below example > > > > Date of Birth: 15-09-1985 Time:-15:20 Day: Sunday Place: Delhi > > > > Janam Din Ka Grah- Surya > > > > Janam Samay ka Grah- Venus > > > > Now The sequence Start from > > > > Venus 3yrs +Jupiter 6yrs+Sun 2yrs+Moon 1yrs+ Venus 3yrs+Mars 6yrs+Merc > > 2yrs+Shani 6yrs+Rahu 6yrs+Ketu 3yrs=Total-59yra. The First cucle of > > 35th year is running upto 38th years. Iind cycle Start from its own > > sequence that is start with Jupiter. > > > > In this contest you can read: " 35 SAALA CHAKKAR " in 1952 Edition > > : Pt. Ji wrote " Grahon ka 35 saala chakkar aur Insaan ki Umar ka 35 > > saala chakkar do alag alag batain hain. " > > > > In this regard pt. Ji given a example in this chapter in which pt. Ji > > wrote about this " Ki eska pehla grah brahaspati ki bajay Shani shuru ho > > aur Janamdin ki bajay 7vain saal se shuru ho. Ab tamam grah 35 saal main > > hi apna daura poora kar lengey. Jab aakhiri grah ka aakhiri din hoga us > > vakat Insaan ki Umar 35 saal ka daura jama 6 saal, yaani kul umar 41 > > saal hey aur doosra chakkar janamDin valley grah ki doosri chaal hogi. > > > > I am not claim that I am right but my understanding is this. > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > Umesh Sharma > > > > , " Finn Wandahl " <finn.wandahl@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Dear Yograj Ji, > > > > > > This information on how to calculate 35-years circulation is very > > > interesting. Thank you for sharing it! > > > > > > Best regards, > > > Finn > > > > > > > > > , Yograj Prabhakar > > > yr_prabhakar@ wrote: > > > > > > > > Respected Dr Sahib, > > > > Sa'adar Pranaam. > > > > > > > > Sir, In case of more than one planet in one house, we have to follow > > > the serial number given to each planet in the 35-year cycle. > > > > > > > > Respectfully > > > > Yograj Prabhakar > > > > > > > > --- On Tue, 25/11/08, kiranjit kumar kapatjal@ wrote: > > > > kiranjit kumar kapatjal@ > > > > Re: Re: dharmi tewa > > > > > > > > Tuesday, 25 November, 2008, 7:33 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thanks prabhakar ji. But what if more than one planets r > > > placed in the first house in the natal chart? > > > >  > > > > with best wishes, > > > > kiranjit > > > > > > > > --- On Tue, 11/25/08, Yograj Prabhakar <yr_prabhakar@ > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Yograj Prabhakar <yr_prabhakar@ > > > > > Re: dharmi tewa > > > > > > > > Tuesday, November 25, 2008, 11:37 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Respected Dr. Sahib, > > > > Sa'adar Pranaam. > > > > > > > > for understanding the 35-year circle one must be aware of the > > crucial > > > > concept of " Greh Ka Daura " (tenure), " Greh ka Daura " is the crux of > > > > the matter. Actually, this " Daura " is the time when any planet comes > > > > to the First house of the horoscope. Any planet that comes on in the > > > > Ist house (either in natal of Varsphal chart) will be the first > > planet > > > > of 35-Yar cycle scheme. See the example of the following imaginary > > > > planetary configuration of a natal chart: > > > > > > > > 1st house - empty > > > > 2nd house - empty > > > > 3rd house - mars > > > > 4th house - moon > > > > 5th house - Ketu > > > > 6th house - Jupiter > > > > 7th house - sun+Mer > > > > 8th house - venus > > > > 9th house - enpty > > > > 10th house -empty > > > > 11th house - Rahu > > > > 12th house -Saturn > > > > > > > > In this chart, First and second houses are empty. As per the > > Varshphal > > > > chart, planet of the 3rd house (Mars) will come in the 1st house > > > > during the 3rd year of native's > > > > age. So from this 3rd year his first > > > > 35-years Cycle will begin with Mars as the first planet of 35- year > > > > cycle, the other planets may follow accordingly. > > > > > > > > You must have noticed that sometimes back this 35-Saala chakkar was > > > > described so maladroitly in another blog that it became a " 35- Saala > > > > Ghan-chakkar " since they never considered/studied the important > > aspect > > > > of " Greh Ka Daura " . > > > > > > > > Respectfully > > > > Yograj Prabhakar > > > > > > > > , kiranjit kumar <kapatjal@ .> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > dear Prabhakar ji, > > > > >  > > > > > going a little of the track from dharmi tewa. > > > > >  > > > > > u r very right that the 35 year cycle at birth may start with any > > of > > > > the planets. > > > > > Could u please elaborate as to how to find out the operative > > planet > > > > at birth for a given horoscope as par 35 years > > > > claculations. > > > > >  > > > > > With best wishes;, > > > > > kiranjit > > > > > > > > > > --- On Mon, 11/24/08, Yograj Prabhakar <yr_prabhakar@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Yograj Prabhakar <yr_prabhakar@ ...> > > > > > Re: dharmi tewa > > > > > > > > > > Monday, November 24, 2008, 5:11 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Respected Finn Sahib, > > > > > > > > > > You explained this 11 lines example (LK-1952, Page 975) > > beautifully; > > > > please accept my heartiest congratulations for this wonderful post. > > > > With your permission, I am reproducing the full Para Quoted by you > > > > with slight corrections (forgive me for capital letters) to make the > > > > things easier to understand as there are many flaws in the > > English > > > > translated book. > > > > > > > > > > (Quote) > > > > > > > > > Houses built between the age of 17 and 19. > > > > > Sister born after 3 years. Malefic effect of Mercury til the age > > > of 17. > > > > > Venus No. 11 - contact with women. > > > > > Jupiter No. 11 - MERE IMAGINATION, > > > > > and FINALLY THE RESULT OF KETU 4 - NOCTURNAL EMISSION and > > > > MASTURBATION BEGAN, THAT REACHED TO ITS PEAK DURING THE AGE OF > > 21. > > > > > Rahu's waves moving in circle of Mercury at 21. Suicidal > > tendencies > > > > and signs of madness EMERGED. IN FACT, PROBLEM OF LACK OF SEMEN > > > > REMAINED HIDDEN IN THE BACKDROP, AND THE PROPOSALS FOR MARRIAGE > > PROVED > > > > FUTILE. > > > > > > > > > > (I think Pundit ji probably indicated that reason behind his > > mental > > > > status and suicidal attitude was the result of likely impotency > > > > because of nocturnal emission and masturbation that caused the > > > > floundering of marriage proposals). > > > > > > > > > > You have further written that: > > > > > \\As we all know, the first six years of life any horoscope > > > > is ruled > > > > by Saturn as per the 35-years circulation. ...\\ > > > > > > > > > > I am afraid this is not correct; the 35-year circle may begin with > > > > any of the 9 planets. In the present example Saturn does not fit > > > > anywhere, neither as per the serial numbers given to planets in the > > > > 35-year circulation neither according to its placement in the > > > > horoscope to be the first planet of 35-year circulation. > > > > > > > > > > Respectfully > > > > > Yograj Prabhakar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Finn Wandahl " > > > > <finn.wandahl@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Members, > > > > > > > > > > > > While following the very interesting debate about Dharmi Tewa, I > > > > came to > > > > > > think about the many cases when a Dharmi Tewa gets combined with > > > > one or > > > > > > more of the other four types of Tewas like, f.ex. Andhey Tewa > > (Blind > > > > > > chart) or Nabalig Tewa (Adolescent/ Non-adult chart), > > > > etc., > > > > meaning when > > > > > > two or more types of combinations are available in the same > > > horoscope. > > > > > > This give rise to a number of different variations. This way > > > obviously > > > > > > Dharmi Tewas comes in all sizes and shapes, and a number of very > > > > > > interesting observations can be made. In this context I couldn't > > > help > > > > > > remembering Example No. 17 from the chapter about Annual > > > > predictions in > > > > > > LK-1952, because this chart has some very interesting combined > > > > > > Tewa-types. > > > > > > > > > > > > Example No. 17 is the horoscope of a male person of Scorpio-Asc > > with > > > > > > Moon & Mars in 2nd, Ketu in 4th, Sat in 6th, Rahu in 10th, Jup & > > > > Ven in > > > > > > 11th and finally Sun & Merc in the 12th house. > > > > > > > > > > > > The chart is a wonderful example of exceptions and contradictive > > > > > > influences. No doubt the chart must be considered as a Dharmi > > > > Tewa > > > > since > > > > > > there is Ketu in 4th and Rahu in 10th, but at the same time the > > > chart > > > > > > also qualifies as both Nabalig Tewa and Andhey Tewa, as I will > > > explain > > > > > > later. I think these different and contradictive influences > > needs > > > > to be > > > > > > taken into account. Therefore a deeper investigation is needed. > > > > There is > > > > > > much more in this chart than what meets the eye. > > > > > > > > > > > > Pundit Ji has given the following very brief but brilliant > > > delineation > > > > > > of the chart, which I will try my best to explain in details, > > > > taking it > > > > > > bit by bit: > > > > > > > > > > > > (Quote:) " Houses built between the age of 17 and 19. Sister born > > > > after 3 > > > > > > years. Malefic effect of Mercury til the age of 17. Venus No. 11 > > - > > > > > > contact with women. Jupiter No. 11 - only airy thoughts and > > > results in > > > > > > Ketu No. 4 - loss of semen. Helplessness will be peaked > > > > at the age of > > > > > > 21. Rahu's waves moving in circle of Mercury at 21. Suicidal > > > > tendencies > > > > > > and signs of madness. Semen defect remained. Marriage proposal > > > > > > floundered " . > > > > > > > > > > > > Why are houses built between age of 17 and 19 years of this > > person? > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, Saturn signifies houses and Saturn is benefic by being in > > > > the 6th > > > > > > and having Ketu behind it. Mercury-Saturn combination by itself > > > means > > > > > > favourable property, and Sun-Mercury combination gives excellent > > > > > > results, provided Saturn does not aspect them, which it actually > > > > does in > > > > > > this case. Further, with Sun-Mercury combination, for half > > period of > > > > > > Mercury (17 = half of 34), Mercury will not be able to give its > > > > separate > > > > > > effect, and therefore the houses could be built only after the > > > age of > > > > > > 17. > > > > > > > > > > > > Why is a sister > > > > born after 3 years? > > > > > > > > > > > > As we all know, the first six years of life any horoscope is > > > ruled by > > > > > > Saturn as per the 35-years circulation. Then if Saturn is in the > > 6th > > > > > > house it aspects the planets in the 2nd house with a malefic > > > > effect This > > > > > > is an exception-rule of Lal Kitab. In this case Saturn aspects > > > Mars in > > > > > > the 2nd house thereby preventing Mars to materialize itself in > > the > > > > form > > > > > > of a younger brother. > > > > > > > > > > > > However, at the same time there is another exception rule in > > > operation > > > > > > in this chart. It is said in Lal Kitab that when Mercury is in > > the > > > > 12th > > > > > > house it aspects any planet in the 6th house. Now since both > > > > Mercury and > > > > > > the 6th house indicate sisters, the chart can be said to > > > indicate the > > > > > > birth of a younger sister, rather than a brother, at that > > particular > > > > > > age. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Then the reading speaks of the Venus-Jupiter combination in the > > > > 11th, as > > > > > > indicating contact with women - BUT only airy thoughts, meaning > > no > > > > > > substantial results like engagement, marriage - This is probably > > the > > > > > > results of the Venus-Jupiter combination which by itself is said > > > > to give > > > > > > false hopes and wishful thinking. Thus resulting in Ketu No. 4 - > > > > loos of > > > > > > semen (masturbation? ). Perhaps also because there is a > > > > 6/8-relationship > > > > > > (Yoga-dristi) between Ketu in the 4th and Venus-Jupiter in the > > 11th. > > > > > > > > > > > > Why will helplessness be peaked at the age of 21? > > > > > > > > > > > > This timing is no doubt related to Rahu, since 21 is half the > > > > period of > > > > > > Rahu (21 = half of 42). The helplessness is partly caused by the > > > > malefic > > > > > > Rahu in the 10th house and partly by Ketu in the 4th. Rahu is > > > > destroyed > > > > > > > > > > (malefic) because Jupiter is in the 11th. Further more, Rahu & > > > Ketu in > > > > > > 4th/10th house not only makes a Dharmi Tewa, it also makes a > > Nabalig > > > > > > Tewa, meaning someone who remain adolescent and lacking in > > maturity. > > > > > > According to Lal Kitab a person of Nabalig Tewa will always have > > > > to seek > > > > > > help/assistance of others, and this helplessness will peak at 21 > > > > in this > > > > > > case. It could perhaps be argued that the combination of both > > > Dharmi & > > > > > > Nabalic Tewa in the same chart makes a good disciple but a poor > > > Guru. > > > > > > But that is another discussion. > > > > > > > > > > > > What does it mean that Rahu's waves are moving in the circle of > > > > Mercury > > > > > > at the age of 21 years? > > > > > > > > > > > > To know this we need to understand the " Modus operandi " of Rahu > > > in the > > > > > > 10th house. It is said in LK that Rahu, Ketu or Mercury in the > > > > 10th > > > > will > > > > > > move as per dictates of Saturn. If Saturn is benefic, they will > > be > > > > twice > > > > > > beneficial, otherwise, the reverse. In this case Saturn is > > benefic > > > > being > > > > > > in the 6th with Ketu behind it. Yes, but Saturn is actually > > > located in > > > > > > the " Empty Circle of Mercury " . > > > > > > > > > > > > What is the " Empty Circle of Mercury " ? > > > > > > > > > > > > Some may think otherwise, but according to my opinion and > > > > experience the > > > > > > " Empty Circle of Mercury " is in the 3rd, 6th, 9th and 12th > > houses. > > > > There > > > > > > are some good arguments in support of this. It is said in LK > > > that Rahu > > > > > > and Ketu move within the Circle of Mercury. This makes sense > > since > > > > they > > > > > > have their exaltations, debilitation and fixed houses in the > > > 3rd, 6th, > > > > > > 9th and 12th houses. Also Mercury is the only planet capable of > > > > > > aspecting from ALL of these house, meaning not only > > > > from the 3rd and > > > > > > 6th, like all other planets do, but also from the 9th and 12th > > (as > > > > rules > > > > > > of exceptions). Thus whenever Mercury activates this evil circle > > it > > > > > > becomes like a House of Maya or a Hall of Mirrors, where you see > > the > > > > > > illusion of yourself reflected in all kinds of grotesque forms > > and > > > > > > shapes. > > > > > > > > > > > > Why the suicidal tendencies and signs of madness? > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, I think a part of the reason is that Rahu in the 10th is > > > > malefic. > > > > > > Another part is no doubt the fact that Rahu's waves, being > > > transmitted > > > > > > through Saturn, are moving within the " Empty Circle of Mercury " . > > > > > > > > > > > > There is however also another possible explanation for this. > > > Earlier I > > > > > > said this chart was not only a Dharmi Tewa but also an Andhey > > Tewa, > > > > > > meaning a Blind chart, both operating simultaniously. It is said > > > > in LK > > > > > > that with a blind chart all planets, incl. Saturn, even if > > exalted, > > > > > > would behave like the blind people and Sat will be malefic. The > > > powers > > > > > > of sight, discrimination, good judgement all gets badly > > affected. > > > > > > > > > > > > But how can this chart be blind when there is only one planet, > > > > Rahu, in > > > > > > the 10th house? > > > > > > > > > > > > Please notice that Rahu is malefic, and look very carefully at > > the > > > > 12th > > > > > > house, the root of Rahu. The Sun is in the 12th house and > > therefore > > > > > > there is a conjunction of Rahu and Sun by root. Actually this is > > > > all it > > > > > > takes to turn this into a blind chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > In my opinion the suicidal tendencies and signs of madness are > > the > > > > > > combined results of a Dharmi Tewa being subject to malefic Rahu, > > > blind > > > > > > chart indication and the " Empty Circle of Mercury " . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > > > Finn Wandahl > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! Go to > > > http://messenger./invite/ > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 27, 2008 Report Share Posted November 27, 2008 dear Umesh ji, It would appear that 35 sala chkkar shall remain an enigma. For your contention, it is submited that things mentioned at other places other than in the chapter of 35 sala chakkar can not be applied to it.jo jahan likha hai wahan hi applicable hai.Jaise ki naukri lagi to Sun ka zamana shuru ho gaya ya marriage hui to venus ka zamana etc. etc. which can not be fited to 35 sala chakkar.LK 1952 is silent on its elaboration and pundit ji has advised to look in the varash phal chapter;there also it has not been made clear except that the list starting with sani has ben printed. So it would appear that everyone should use his experience and share it with the group. Prabhakar ji's contention is quite appealing. Incidentally, the time of 3.20 P>M> is of Budh,agar is ko dopahar ka samay lenge to yeh samay mangal ka hoga; amavas ki raat venus ka period kahi gayee hai. Sorry for intervention,but every body is so keen to understand 35 sala chakkar. regards. sincerely, kiranjit , " Umesh Sharma " <mudit982001 wrote: > > Dear Jatin Ji, > I want to say that 35 Saala chakkar start from " Janam Samay Ke Grah " > se. > Thanks > Regard > Umesh Sharma > , Jattin Kapila > <jattinkapila@> wrote:> > > Dear Umesh ji, > > pranaam > > wht u hv written i am confused little > > plz elaborate 35 yr cycle properly, > > as u hv confused the concept what ur trying to say is written in LK. > > we all want explanation from u sir plz help us sir. > > learner > > lal kitab > > jattin > > > > --- On Wed, 11/26/08, Umesh Sharma <mudit982001@> wrote: > > > > Umesh Sharma <mudit982001@> > > Re: dharmi tewa > > > > Wednesday, November 26, 2008, 7:25 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Finn Ji, > > First of all accept my Heartily Salute. The charms of your analysis > captivate the Soul. > > Sir, in case of " 35 sala Chakkar " My observation is below > > Pt. Ji wrote in:- > > Aarmaan no. 113 A, Chapter: " EK DIN KA HAAL " LK-Edition-1940 " > > 1. Har Ek Vyakati Ki Kismat Ka Haal " Janam Samay Ke Grah " se > shuru hota hey. > > Chapter " PAHLE SAPTAH MAIN " > > K. TAKHAT KE MAALIK GRAHON KE LIYE: ( Yani Varshaphal vali Talika) > > " JANAM SAMAY KA GRAH SABSE PAHLE SHURU HONE VALA GINEGAIN " Uskey > baad Lalkitab page no. 7(Pt. Ji ne yah havala 1939 vali kitab ka diya > hey jismain unhoney grahon ka kraram (Sequence) di hey) par diye huey > karram se baki grahon ko likhaingey. > > I try to explain this method with below example > > Date of Birth: 15-09-1985 Time:-15:20 Day: Sunday Place: Delhi > > Janam Din Ka Grah- Surya > > Janam Samay ka Grah- Venus > > Now The sequence Start from > > Venus 3yrs +Jupiter 6yrs+Sun 2yrs+Moon 1yrs+ Venus 3yrs+Mars > 6yrs+Merc 2yrs+Shani 6yrs+Rahu 6yrs+Ketu 3yrs=Total-59yra. The First > cucle of 35th year is running upto 38th years. Iind cycle Start from > its own sequence that is start with Jupiter. > > In this contest you can read: " 35 SAALA CHAKKAR " in 1952 Edition : > Pt. Ji wrote " Grahon ka 35 saala chakkar aur Insaan ki Umar ka 35 > saala chakkar do alag alag batain hain. " > > In this regard pt. Ji given a example in this chapter in which pt. > Ji wrote about this " Ki eska pehla grah brahaspati ki bajay Shani > shuru ho aur Janamdin ki bajay 7vain saal se shuru ho. Ab tamam grah > 35 saal main hi apna daura poora kar lengey. Jab aakhiri grah ka > aakhiri din hoga us vakat Insaan ki Umar 35 saal ka daura jama 6 > saal, yaani kul umar 41 saal hey aur doosra chakkar janamDin valley > grah ki doosri chaal hogi. > > I am not claim that I am right but my understanding is this. > > > Thanks > > > Regards > > > Umesh Sharma > > , " Finn Wandahl " > <finn.wandahl@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Yograj Ji, > > > > > > This information on how to calculate 35-years circulation is very > > > interesting. Thank you for sharing it! > > > > > > Best regards, > > > Finn > > > > > > > > > , Yograj Prabhakar > > > yr_prabhakar@ wrote: > > > > > > > > Respected Dr Sahib, > > > > Sa'adar Pranaam. > > > > > > > > Sir, In case of more than one planet in one house, we have to > follow > > > the serial number given to each planet in the 35-year cycle. > > > > > > > > Respectfully > > > > Yograj Prabhakar > > > > > > > > --- On Tue, 25/11/08, kiranjit kumar kapatjal@ wrote: > > > > kiranjit kumar kapatjal@ > > > > Re: Re: dharmi tewa > > > > > > > > Tuesday, 25 November, 2008, 7:33 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thanks prabhakar ji. But what if more than one planets r > > > placed in the first house in the natal chart? > > > >  > > > > with best wishes, > > > > kiranjit > > > > > > > > --- On Tue, 11/25/08, Yograj Prabhakar <yr_prabhakar@ > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Yograj Prabhakar <yr_prabhakar@ > > > > > Re: dharmi tewa > > > > > > > > Tuesday, November 25, 2008, 11:37 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Respected Dr. Sahib, > > > > Sa'adar Pranaam. > > > > > > > > for understanding the 35-year circle one must be aware of the > crucial > > > > concept of " Greh Ka Daura " (tenure), " Greh ka Daura " is the > crux of > > > > the matter. Actually, this " Daura " is the time when any planet > comes > > > > to the First house of the horoscope. Any planet that comes on > in the > > > > Ist house (either in natal of Varsphal chart) will be the first > planet > > > > of 35-Yar cycle scheme. See the example of the following > imaginary > > > > planetary configuration of a natal chart: > > > > > > > > 1st house - empty > > > > 2nd house - empty > > > > 3rd house - mars > > > > 4th house - moon > > > > 5th house - Ketu > > > > 6th house - Jupiter > > > > 7th house - sun+Mer > > > > 8th house - venus > > > > 9th house - enpty > > > > 10th house -empty > > > > 11th house - Rahu > > > > 12th house -Saturn > > > > > > > > In this chart, First and second houses are empty. As per the > Varshphal > > > > chart, planet of the 3rd house (Mars) will come in the 1st house > > > > during the 3rd year of native's > > > > age. So from this 3rd year his first > > > > 35-years Cycle will begin with Mars as the first planet of 35- > year > > > > cycle, the other planets may follow accordingly. > > > > > > > > You must have noticed that sometimes back this 35-Saala chakkar > was > > > > described so maladroitly in another blog that it became a " 35- > Saala > > > > Ghan-chakkar " since they never considered/studied the important > aspect > > > > of " Greh Ka Daura " . > > > > > > > > Respectfully > > > > Yograj Prabhakar > > > > > > > > , kiranjit kumar > <kapatjal@ .> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > dear Prabhakar ji, > > > > >  > > > > > going a little of the track from dharmi tewa. > > > > >  > > > > > u r very right that the 35 year cycle at birth may start with > any of > > > > the planets. > > > > > Could u please elaborate as to how to find out the operative > planet > > > > at birth for a given horoscope as par 35 years > > > > claculations. > > > > >  > > > > > With best wishes;, > > > > > kiranjit > > > > > > > > > > --- On Mon, 11/24/08, Yograj Prabhakar <yr_prabhakar@ ...> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Yograj Prabhakar <yr_prabhakar@ ...> > > > > > Re: dharmi tewa > > > > > > > > > > Monday, November 24, 2008, 5:11 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Respected Finn Sahib, > > > > > > > > > > You explained this 11 lines example (LK-1952, Page 975) > beautifully; > > > > please accept my heartiest congratulations for this wonderful > post. > > > > With your permission, I am reproducing the full Para Quoted by > you > > > > with slight corrections (forgive me for capital letters) to > make the > > > > things easier to understand as there are many flaws in the > English > > > > translated book. > > > > > > > > > > (Quote) > > > > > > > > > Houses built between the age of 17 and 19. > > > > > Sister born after 3 years. Malefic effect of Mercury til the > age > > > of 17. > > > > > Venus No. 11 - contact with women. > > > > > Jupiter No. 11 - MERE IMAGINATION, > > > > > and FINALLY THE RESULT OF KETU 4 - NOCTURNAL EMISSION and > > > > MASTURBATION BEGAN, THAT REACHED TO ITS PEAK DURING THE AGE OF > 21. > > > > > Rahu's waves moving in circle of Mercury at 21. Suicidal > tendencies > > > > and signs of madness EMERGED. IN FACT, PROBLEM OF LACK OF SEMEN > > > > REMAINED HIDDEN IN THE BACKDROP, AND THE PROPOSALS FOR MARRIAGE > PROVED > > > > FUTILE. > > > > > > > > > > (I think Pundit ji probably indicated that reason behind his > mental > > > > status and suicidal attitude was the result of likely impotency > > > > because of nocturnal emission and masturbation that caused the > > > > floundering of marriage proposals). > > > > > > > > > > You have further written that: > > > > > \\As we all know, the first six years of life any horoscope > > > > is ruled > > > > by Saturn as per the 35-years circulation. ...\\ > > > > > > > > > > I am afraid this is not correct; the 35-year circle may begin > with > > > > any of the 9 planets. In the present example Saturn does not fit > > > > anywhere, neither as per the serial numbers given to planets in > the > > > > 35-year circulation neither according to its placement in the > > > > horoscope to be the first planet of 35-year circulation. > > > > > > > > > > Respectfully > > > > > Yograj Prabhakar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Finn Wandahl " > > > > <finn.wandahl@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Members, > > > > > > > > > > > > While following the very interesting debate about Dharmi > Tewa, I > > > > came to > > > > > > think about the many cases when a Dharmi Tewa gets combined > with > > > > one or > > > > > > more of the other four types of Tewas like, f.ex. Andhey > Tewa (Blind > > > > > > chart) or Nabalig Tewa (Adolescent/ Non-adult chart), > > > > etc., > > > > meaning when > > > > > > two or more types of combinations are available in the same > > > horoscope. > > > > > > This give rise to a number of different variations. This way > > > obviously > > > > > > Dharmi Tewas comes in all sizes and shapes, and a number of > very > > > > > > interesting observations can be made. In this context I > couldn't > > > help > > > > > > remembering Example No. 17 from the chapter about Annual > > > > predictions in > > > > > > LK-1952, because this chart has some very interesting > combined > > > > > > Tewa-types. > > > > > > > > > > > > Example No. 17 is the horoscope of a male person of Scorpio- > Asc with > > > > > > Moon & Mars in 2nd, Ketu in 4th, Sat in 6th, Rahu in 10th, > Jup & > > > > Ven in > > > > > > 11th and finally Sun & Merc in the 12th house. > > > > > > > > > > > > The chart is a wonderful example of exceptions and > contradictive > > > > > > influences. No doubt the chart must be considered as a > Dharmi > > > > Tewa > > > > since > > > > > > there is Ketu in 4th and Rahu in 10th, but at the same time > the > > > chart > > > > > > also qualifies as both Nabalig Tewa and Andhey Tewa, as I > will > > > explain > > > > > > later. I think these different and contradictive influences > needs > > > > to be > > > > > > taken into account. Therefore a deeper investigation is > needed. > > > > There is > > > > > > much more in this chart than what meets the eye. > > > > > > > > > > > > Pundit Ji has given the following very brief but brilliant > > > delineation > > > > > > of the chart, which I will try my best to explain in > details, > > > > taking it > > > > > > bit by bit: > > > > > > > > > > > > (Quote:) " Houses built between the age of 17 and 19. Sister > born > > > > after 3 > > > > > > years. Malefic effect of Mercury til the age of 17. Venus > No. 11 - > > > > > > contact with women. Jupiter No. 11 - only airy thoughts and > > > results in > > > > > > Ketu No. 4 - loss of semen. Helplessness will be peaked > > > > at the age of > > > > > > 21. Rahu's waves moving in circle of Mercury at 21. Suicidal > > > > tendencies > > > > > > and signs of madness. Semen defect remained. Marriage > proposal > > > > > > floundered " . > > > > > > > > > > > > Why are houses built between age of 17 and 19 years of this > person? > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, Saturn signifies houses and Saturn is benefic by > being in > > > > the 6th > > > > > > and having Ketu behind it. Mercury-Saturn combination by > itself > > > means > > > > > > favourable property, and Sun-Mercury combination gives > excellent > > > > > > results, provided Saturn does not aspect them, which it > actually > > > > does in > > > > > > this case. Further, with Sun-Mercury combination, for half > period of > > > > > > Mercury (17 = half of 34), Mercury will not be able to give > its > > > > separate > > > > > > effect, and therefore the houses could be built only after > the > > > age of > > > > > > 17. > > > > > > > > > > > > Why is a sister > > > > born after 3 years? > > > > > > > > > > > > As we all know, the first six years of life any horoscope is > > > ruled by > > > > > > Saturn as per the 35-years circulation. Then if Saturn is > in the 6th > > > > > > house it aspects the planets in the 2nd house with a malefic > > > > effect This > > > > > > is an exception-rule of Lal Kitab. In this case Saturn > aspects > > > Mars in > > > > > > the 2nd house thereby preventing Mars to materialize itself > in the > > > > form > > > > > > of a younger brother. > > > > > > > > > > > > However, at the same time there is another exception rule in > > > operation > > > > > > in this chart. It is said in Lal Kitab that when Mercury is > in the > > > > 12th > > > > > > house it aspects any planet in the 6th house. Now since both > > > > Mercury and > > > > > > the 6th house indicate sisters, the chart can be said to > > > indicate the > > > > > > birth of a younger sister, rather than a brother, at that > particular > > > > > > age. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Then the reading speaks of the Venus-Jupiter combination in > the > > > > 11th, as > > > > > > indicating contact with women - BUT only airy thoughts, > meaning no > > > > > > substantial results like engagement, marriage - This is > probably the > > > > > > results of the Venus-Jupiter combination which by itself is > said > > > > to give > > > > > > false hopes and wishful thinking. Thus resulting in Ketu > No. 4 - > > > > loos of > > > > > > semen (masturbation? ). Perhaps also because there is a > > > > 6/8-relationship > > > > > > (Yoga-dristi) between Ketu in the 4th and Venus-Jupiter in > the 11th.. > > > > > > > > > > > > Why will helplessness be peaked at the age of 21? > > > > > > > > > > > > This timing is no doubt related to Rahu, since 21 is half > the > > > > period of > > > > > > Rahu (21 = half of 42). The helplessness is partly caused > by the > > > > malefic > > > > > > Rahu in the 10th house and partly by Ketu in the 4th. Rahu > is > > > > destroyed > > > > > > > > > > (malefic) because Jupiter is in the 11th. Further more, Rahu & > > > Ketu in > > > > > > 4th/10th house not only makes a Dharmi Tewa, it also makes > a Nabalig > > > > > > Tewa, meaning someone who remain adolescent and lacking in > maturity.. > > > > > > According to Lal Kitab a person of Nabalig Tewa will always > have > > > > to seek > > > > > > help/assistance of others, and this helplessness will peak > at 21 > > > > in this > > > > > > case. It could perhaps be argued that the combination of > both > > > Dharmi & > > > > > > Nabalic Tewa in the same chart makes a good disciple but a > poor > > > Guru. > > > > > > But that is another discussion. > > > > > > > > > > > > What does it mean that Rahu's waves are moving in the > circle of > > > > Mercury > > > > > > at the age of 21 years? > > > > > > > > > > > > To know this we need to understand the " Modus operandi " of > Rahu > > > in the > > > > > > 10th house. It is said in LK that Rahu, Ketu or Mercury in > the > > > > 10th > > > > will > > > > > > move as per dictates of Saturn. If Saturn is benefic, they > will be > > > > twice > > > > > > beneficial, otherwise, the reverse. In this case Saturn is > benefic > > > > being > > > > > > in the 6th with Ketu behind it. Yes, but Saturn is actually > > > located in > > > > > > the " Empty Circle of Mercury " . > > > > > > > > > > > > What is the " Empty Circle of Mercury " ? > > > > > > > > > > > > Some may think otherwise, but according to my opinion and > > > > experience the > > > > > > " Empty Circle of Mercury " is in the 3rd, 6th, 9th and 12th > houses. > > > > There > > > > > > are some good arguments in support of this. It is said in LK > > > that Rahu > > > > > > and Ketu move within the Circle of Mercury. This makes > sense since > > > > they > > > > > > have their exaltations, debilitation and fixed houses in the > > > 3rd, 6th, > > > > > > 9th and 12th houses. Also Mercury is the only planet > capable of > > > > > > aspecting from ALL of these house, meaning not only > > > > from the 3rd and > > > > > > 6th, like all other planets do, but also from the 9th and > 12th (as > > > > rules > > > > > > of exceptions). Thus whenever Mercury activates this evil > circle it > > > > > > becomes like a House of Maya or a Hall of Mirrors, where > you see the > > > > > > illusion of yourself reflected in all kinds of grotesque > forms and > > > > > > shapes. > > > > > > > > > > > > Why the suicidal tendencies and signs of madness? > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, I think a part of the reason is that Rahu in the 10th > is > > > > malefic. > > > > > > Another part is no doubt the fact that Rahu's waves, being > > > transmitted > > > > > > through Saturn, are moving within the " Empty Circle of > Mercury " . > > > > > > > > > > > > There is however also another possible explanation for this. > > > Earlier I > > > > > > said this chart was not only a Dharmi Tewa but also an > Andhey Tewa, > > > > > > meaning a Blind chart, both operating simultaniously. It is > said > > > > in LK > > > > > > that with a blind chart all planets, incl. Saturn, even if > exalted, > > > > > > would behave like the blind people and Sat will be malefic. > The > > > powers > > > > > > of sight, discrimination, good judgement all gets badly > affected. > > > > > > > > > > > > But how can this chart be blind when there is only one > planet, > > > > Rahu, in > > > > > > the 10th house? > > > > > > > > > > > > Please notice that Rahu is malefic, and look very carefully > at the > > > > 12th > > > > > > house, the root of Rahu. The Sun is in the 12th house and > therefore > > > > > > there is a conjunction of Rahu and Sun by root. Actually > this is > > > > all it > > > > > > takes to turn this into a blind chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > In my opinion the suicidal tendencies and signs of madness > are the > > > > > > combined results of a Dharmi Tewa being subject to malefic > Rahu, > > > blind > > > > > > chart indication and the " Empty Circle of Mercury " . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > > > Finn Wandahl > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! Go to > > > http://messenger. / invite/ > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 28, 2008 Report Share Posted November 28, 2008 Dear Kiranjit Ji and Umesh Ji, It seems to me there is actually two different solution on how to calculate the 35-years circulation. The one starting with Saturn, given in the form of table in the chapter on Varshphal is the same for all horoscopes, and it works fine. Then there is the other other one starting with the first planet to enter the 1st house in the Varshphal, which has been explained by Yograj, and that method also seems to give excellent results. In my opinion we should not think of these two method in terms of one of them being right and the other being wrong. I think we can safely use any one them or both of them at the same time. After all, it is an advantage to have a number of diffent methods at our disposal. Sometimes, perhaps if an event is indicated by both methods, then we can be more sure. At least I for one have no problem accepting two different methods. Best regards, Finn Wandahl , " kapatjal " <kapatjal wrote: > > dear Umesh ji, > > It would appear that 35 sala chkkar shall remain an enigma. > For your contention, it is submited that things mentioned at other > places other than in the chapter of 35 sala chakkar can not be > applied to it.jo jahan likha hai wahan hi applicable hai.Jaise ki > naukri lagi to Sun ka zamana shuru ho gaya ya marriage hui to venus > ka zamana etc. etc. which can not be fited to 35 sala chakkar.LK > 1952 is silent on its elaboration and pundit ji has advised to look > in the varash phal chapter;there also it has not been made clear > except that the list starting with sani has ben printed. > > So it would appear that everyone should use his experience and share > it with the group. Prabhakar ji's contention is quite appealing. > > Incidentally, the time of 3.20 P>M> is of Budh,agar is ko dopahar ka > samay lenge to yeh samay mangal ka hoga; amavas ki raat venus ka > period kahi gayee hai. > Sorry for intervention,but every body is so keen to understand 35 > sala chakkar. > regards. > sincerely, > kiranjit , " Umesh Sharma " > <mudit982001@> wrote: > > > > Dear Jatin Ji, > > I want to say that 35 Saala chakkar start from " Janam Samay Ke > Grah " > > se. > > Thanks > > Regard > > Umesh Sharma > > , Jattin Kapila > > <jattinkapila@> wrote:> > > > Dear Umesh ji, > > > pranaam > > > wht u hv written i am confused little > > > plz elaborate 35 yr cycle properly, > > > as u hv confused the concept what ur trying to say is written in > LK. > > > we all want explanation from u sir plz help us sir. > > > learner > > > lal kitab > > > jattin > > > > > > --- On Wed, 11/26/08, Umesh Sharma <mudit982001@> wrote: > > > > > > Umesh Sharma <mudit982001@> > > > Re: dharmi tewa > > > > > > Wednesday, November 26, 2008, 7:25 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Finn Ji, > > > First of all accept my Heartily Salute. The charms of your > analysis > > captivate the Soul. > > > Sir, in case of " 35 sala Chakkar " My observation is below > > > Pt. Ji wrote in:- > > > Aarmaan no. 113 A, Chapter: " EK DIN KA HAAL " LK-Edition-1940 " > > > 1. Har Ek Vyakati Ki Kismat Ka Haal " Janam Samay Ke Grah " se > > shuru hota hey. > > > Chapter " PAHLE SAPTAH MAIN " > > > K. TAKHAT KE MAALIK GRAHON KE LIYE: ( Yani Varshaphal vali > Talika) > > > " JANAM SAMAY KA GRAH SABSE PAHLE SHURU HONE VALA GINEGAIN " > Uskey > > baad Lalkitab page no. 7(Pt. Ji ne yah havala 1939 vali kitab ka > diya > > hey jismain unhoney grahon ka kraram (Sequence) di hey) par diye > huey > > karram se baki grahon ko likhaingey. > > > I try to explain this method with below example > > > Date of Birth: 15-09-1985 Time:-15:20 Day: Sunday Place: Delhi > > > Janam Din Ka Grah- Surya > > > Janam Samay ka Grah- Venus > > > Now The sequence Start from > > > Venus 3yrs +Jupiter 6yrs+Sun 2yrs+Moon 1yrs+ Venus 3yrs+Mars > > 6yrs+Merc 2yrs+Shani 6yrs+Rahu 6yrs+Ketu 3yrs=Total-59yra. The > First > > cucle of 35th year is running upto 38th years. Iind cycle Start > from > > its own sequence that is start with Jupiter. > > > In this contest you can read: " 35 SAALA CHAKKAR " in 1952 > Edition : > > Pt. Ji wrote " Grahon ka 35 saala chakkar aur Insaan ki Umar ka 35 > > saala chakkar do alag alag batain hain. " > > > In this regard pt. Ji given a example in this chapter in which > pt. > > Ji wrote about this " Ki eska pehla grah brahaspati ki bajay Shani > > shuru ho aur Janamdin ki bajay 7vain saal se shuru ho. Ab tamam > grah > > 35 saal main hi apna daura poora kar lengey. Jab aakhiri grah ka > > aakhiri din hoga us vakat Insaan ki Umar 35 saal ka daura jama 6 > > saal, yaani kul umar 41 saal hey aur doosra chakkar janamDin > valley > > grah ki doosri chaal hogi. > > > I am not claim that I am right but my understanding is this. > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > Umesh Sharma > > > , " Finn Wandahl " > > <finn.wandahl@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Yograj Ji, > > > > > > > > This information on how to calculate 35-years circulation is > very > > > > interesting. Thank you for sharing it! > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > Finn > > > > > > > > > > > > , Yograj Prabhakar > > > > yr_prabhakar@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Respected Dr Sahib, > > > > > Sa'adar Pranaam. > > > > > > > > > > Sir, In case of more than one planet in one house, we have > to > > follow > > > > the serial number given to each planet in the 35-year cycle. > > > > > > > > > > Respectfully > > > > > Yograj Prabhakar > > > > > > > > > > --- On Tue, 25/11/08, kiranjit kumar kapatjal@ wrote: > > > > > kiranjit kumar kapatjal@ > > > > > Re: Re: dharmi tewa > > > > > > > > > > Tuesday, 25 November, 2008, 7:33 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thanks prabhakar ji. But what if more than one planets r > > > > placed in the first house in the natal chart? > > > > > � > > > > > with best wishes, > > > > > kiranjit > > > > > > > > > > --- On Tue, 11/25/08, Yograj Prabhakar <yr_prabhakar@ > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Yograj Prabhakar <yr_prabhakar@ > > > > > > Re: dharmi tewa > > > > > > > > > > Tuesday, November 25, 2008, 11:37 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Respected Dr. Sahib, > > > > > Sa'adar Pranaam. > > > > > > > > > > for understanding the 35-year circle one must be aware of > the > > crucial > > > > > concept of " Greh Ka Daura " (tenure), " Greh ka Daura " is the > > crux of > > > > > the matter. Actually, this " Daura " is the time when any > planet > > comes > > > > > to the First house of the horoscope. Any planet that comes > on > > in the > > > > > Ist house (either in natal of Varsphal chart) will be the > first > > planet > > > > > of 35-Yar cycle scheme. See the example of the following > > imaginary > > > > > planetary configuration of a natal chart: > > > > > > > > > > 1st house - empty > > > > > 2nd house - empty > > > > > 3rd house - mars > > > > > 4th house - moon > > > > > 5th house - Ketu > > > > > 6th house - Jupiter > > > > > 7th house - sun+Mer > > > > > 8th house - venus > > > > > 9th house - enpty > > > > > 10th house -empty > > > > > 11th house - Rahu > > > > > 12th house -Saturn > > > > > > > > > > In this chart, First and second houses are empty. As per the > > Varshphal > > > > > chart, planet of the 3rd house (Mars) will come in the 1st > house > > > > > during the 3rd year of native's > > > > > age. So from this 3rd year his first > > > > > 35-years Cycle will begin with Mars as the first planet of > 35- > > year > > > > > cycle, the other planets may follow accordingly. > > > > > > > > > > You must have noticed that sometimes back this 35-Saala > chakkar > > was > > > > > described so maladroitly in another blog that it became > a " 35- > > Saala > > > > > Ghan-chakkar " since they never considered/studied the > important > > aspect > > > > > of " Greh Ka Daura " . > > > > > > > > > > Respectfully > > > > > Yograj Prabhakar > > > > > > > > > > , kiranjit kumar > > <kapatjal@ .> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > dear Prabhakar ji, > > > > > > � > > > > > > going a little of the track from dharmi tewa. > > > > > > � > > > > > > u r very right that the 35 year cycle at birth may start > with > > any of > > > > > the planets. > > > > > > Could u please elaborate as to how to find out� the > operative > > planet > > > > > at birth for a given horoscope as par 35 years > > > > > claculations. > > > > > > � > > > > > > With best wishes;, > > > > > > kiranjit > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Mon, 11/24/08, Yograj Prabhakar <yr_prabhakar@ ...> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Yograj Prabhakar <yr_prabhakar@ ...> > > > > > > Re: dharmi tewa > > > > > > > > > > > > Monday, November 24, 2008, 5:11 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Respected Finn Sahib, > > > > > > > > > > > > You explained this 11 lines example (LK-1952, Page 975) > > beautifully; > > > > > please accept my heartiest congratulations for this > wonderful > > post. > > > > > With your permission, I am reproducing the full Para Quoted > by > > you > > > > > with slight corrections (forgive me for capital letters) to > > make the > > > > > things easier to understand as there are many� flaws in the > > English > > > > > translated book. > > > > > > > > > > > > (Quote) > > > > > > > > > > > Houses built between the age of 17 and 19. > > > > > > Sister born after 3 years. Malefic effect of Mercury til > the > > age > > > > of 17. > > > > > > Venus No. 11 - contact with women. > > > > > > Jupiter No. 11 - MERE IMAGINATION,� > > > > > > and FINALLY THE RESULT OF KETU 4 - NOCTURNAL EMISSION and > > > > > MASTURBATION BEGAN, THAT� REACHED TO ITS PEAK DURING THE AGE > OF > > 21.� > > > > > > Rahu's waves moving in circle of Mercury at 21. Suicidal > > tendencies > > > > > and signs of madness EMERGED. IN FACT, PROBLEM OF LACK OF > SEMEN > > > > > REMAINED HIDDEN IN THE BACKDROP, AND THE PROPOSALS FOR > MARRIAGE > > PROVED > > > > > FUTILE. > > > > > > > > > > > > (I think Pundit ji probably indicated that reason behind > his > > mental > > > > > status and suicidal attitude was the result of likely > impotency > > > > > because of nocturnal emission and masturbation that caused > the > > > > > floundering of marriage proposals). > > > > > > > > > > > > You have further written that: > > > > > > \\As we all know, the first six years of life any horoscope > > > > > is ruled > > > > > by Saturn as per the 35-years circulation. ...\\ > > > > > > > > > > > > I am afraid this is not correct; the 35-year circle may > begin > > with > > > > > any of the 9 planets. In the present example Saturn does not > fit > > > > > anywhere, neither as per the serial numbers given to planets > in > > the > > > > > 35-year circulation neither according to its placement in the > > > > > horoscope to be the first planet of 35-year circulation. > > > > > > > > > > > > Respectfully > > > > > > Yograj Prabhakar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Finn Wandahl " > > > > > <finn.wandahl@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Members, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > While following the very interesting debate about Dharmi > > Tewa, I > > > > > came to > > > > > > > think about the many cases when a Dharmi Tewa gets > combined > > with > > > > > one or > > > > > > > more of the other four types of Tewas like, f.ex. Andhey > > Tewa (Blind > > > > > > > chart) or Nabalig Tewa (Adolescent/ Non-adult chart), > > > > > etc., > > > > > meaning when > > > > > > > two or more types of combinations are available in the > same > > > > horoscope. > > > > > > > This give rise to a number of different variations. This > way > > > > obviously > > > > > > > Dharmi Tewas comes in all sizes and shapes, and a number > of > > very > > > > > > > interesting observations can be made. In this context I > > couldn't > > > > help > > > > > > > remembering Example No. 17 from the chapter about Annual > > > > > predictions in > > > > > > > LK-1952, because this chart has some very interesting > > combined > > > > > > > Tewa-types. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Example No. 17 is the horoscope of a male person of > Scorpio- > > Asc with > > > > > > > Moon & Mars in 2nd, Ketu in 4th, Sat in 6th, Rahu in > 10th, > > Jup & > > > > > Ven in > > > > > > > 11th and finally Sun & Merc in the 12th house. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The chart is a wonderful example of exceptions and > > contradictive > > > > > > > influences. No doubt the chart must be considered as a > > Dharmi > > > > > Tewa > > > > > since > > > > > > > there is Ketu in 4th and Rahu in 10th, but at the same > time > > the > > > > chart > > > > > > > also qualifies as both Nabalig Tewa and Andhey Tewa, as > I > > will > > > > explain > > > > > > > later. I think these different and contradictive > influences > > needs > > > > > to be > > > > > > > taken into account. Therefore a deeper investigation is > > needed. > > > > > There is > > > > > > > much more in this chart than what meets the eye. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pundit Ji has given the following very brief but > brilliant > > > > delineation > > > > > > > of the chart, which I will try my best to explain in > > details, > > > > > taking it > > > > > > > bit by bit: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (Quote:) " Houses built between the age of 17 and 19. > Sister > > born > > > > > after 3 > > > > > > > years. Malefic effect of Mercury til the age of 17. > Venus > > No. 11 - > > > > > > > contact with women. Jupiter No. 11 - only airy thoughts > and > > > > results in > > > > > > > Ketu No. 4 - loss of semen. Helplessness will be peaked > > > > > at the age of > > > > > > > 21. Rahu's waves moving in circle of Mercury at 21. > Suicidal > > > > > tendencies > > > > > > > and signs of madness. Semen defect remained. Marriage > > proposal > > > > > > > floundered " . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why are houses built between age of 17 and 19 years of > this > > person? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, Saturn signifies houses and Saturn is benefic by > > being in > > > > > the 6th > > > > > > > and having Ketu behind it. Mercury-Saturn combination by > > itself > > > > means > > > > > > > favourable property, and Sun-Mercury combination gives > > excellent > > > > > > > results, provided Saturn does not aspect them, which it > > actually > > > > > does in > > > > > > > this case. Further, with Sun-Mercury combination, for > half > > period of > > > > > > > Mercury (17 = half of 34), Mercury will not be able to > give > > its > > > > > separate > > > > > > > effect, and therefore the houses could be built only > after > > the > > > > age of > > > > > > > 17. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why is a sister > > > > > born after 3 years? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As we all know, the first six years of life any > horoscope is > > > > ruled by > > > > > > > Saturn as per the 35-years circulation. Then if Saturn > is > > in the 6th > > > > > > > house it aspects the planets in the 2nd house with a > malefic > > > > > effect This > > > > > > > is an exception-rule of Lal Kitab. In this case Saturn > > aspects > > > > Mars in > > > > > > > the 2nd house thereby preventing Mars to materialize > itself > > in the > > > > > form > > > > > > > of a younger brother. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > However, at the same time there is another exception > rule in > > > > operation > > > > > > > in this chart. It is said in Lal Kitab that when Mercury > is > > in the > > > > > 12th > > > > > > > house it aspects any planet in the 6th house. Now since > both > > > > > Mercury and > > > > > > > the 6th house indicate sisters, the chart can be said to > > > > indicate the > > > > > > > birth of a younger sister, rather than a brother, at > that > > particular > > > > > > > age. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Then the reading speaks of the Venus-Jupiter combination > in > > the > > > > > 11th, as > > > > > > > indicating contact with women - BUT only airy thoughts, > > meaning no > > > > > > > substantial results like engagement, marriage - This is > > probably the > > > > > > > results of the Venus-Jupiter combination which by itself > is > > said > > > > > to give > > > > > > > false hopes and wishful thinking. Thus resulting in Ketu > > No. 4 - > > > > > loos of > > > > > > > semen (masturbation? ). Perhaps also because there is a > > > > > 6/8-relationship > > > > > > > (Yoga-dristi) between Ketu in the 4th and Venus-Jupiter > in > > the 11th.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why will helplessness be peaked at the age of 21? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This timing is no doubt related to Rahu, since 21 is > half > > the > > > > > period of > > > > > > > Rahu (21 = half of 42). The helplessness is partly > caused > > by the > > > > > malefic > > > > > > > Rahu in the 10th house and partly by Ketu in the 4th. > Rahu > > is > > > > > destroyed > > > > > > > > > > > > (malefic) because Jupiter is in the 11th. Further more, > Rahu & > > > > Ketu in > > > > > > > 4th/10th house not only makes a Dharmi Tewa, it also > makes > > a Nabalig > > > > > > > Tewa, meaning someone who remain adolescent and lacking > in > > maturity.. > > > > > > > According to Lal Kitab a person of Nabalig Tewa will > always > > have > > > > > to seek > > > > > > > help/assistance of others, and this helplessness will > peak > > at 21 > > > > > in this > > > > > > > case. It could perhaps be argued that the combination of > > both > > > > Dharmi & > > > > > > > Nabalic Tewa in the same chart makes a good disciple but > a > > poor > > > > Guru. > > > > > > > But that is another discussion. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What does it mean that Rahu's waves are moving in the > > circle of > > > > > Mercury > > > > > > > at the age of 21 years? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To know this we need to understand the " Modus operandi " > of > > Rahu > > > > in the > > > > > > > 10th house. It is said in LK that Rahu, Ketu or Mercury > in > > the > > > > > 10th > > > > > will > > > > > > > move as per dictates of Saturn. If Saturn is benefic, > they > > will be > > > > > twice > > > > > > > beneficial, otherwise, the reverse. In this case Saturn > is > > benefic > > > > > being > > > > > > > in the 6th with Ketu behind it. Yes, but Saturn is > actually > > > > located in > > > > > > > the " Empty Circle of Mercury " . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What is the " Empty Circle of Mercury " ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Some may think otherwise, but according to my opinion and > > > > > experience the > > > > > > > " Empty Circle of Mercury " is in the 3rd, 6th, 9th and > 12th > > houses. > > > > > There > > > > > > > are some good arguments in support of this. It is said > in LK > > > > that Rahu > > > > > > > and Ketu move within the Circle of Mercury. This makes > > sense since > > > > > they > > > > > > > have their exaltations, debilitation and fixed houses in > the > > > > 3rd, 6th, > > > > > > > 9th and 12th houses. Also Mercury is the only planet > > capable of > > > > > > > aspecting from ALL of these house, meaning not only > > > > > from the 3rd and > > > > > > > 6th, like all other planets do, but also from the 9th > and > > 12th (as > > > > > rules > > > > > > > of exceptions). Thus whenever Mercury activates this > evil > > circle it > > > > > > > becomes like a House of Maya or a Hall of Mirrors, where > > you see the > > > > > > > illusion of yourself reflected in all kinds of grotesque > > forms and > > > > > > > shapes. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why the suicidal tendencies and signs of madness? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, I think a part of the reason is that Rahu in the > 10th > > is > > > > > malefic. > > > > > > > Another part is no doubt the fact that Rahu's waves, > being > > > > transmitted > > > > > > > through Saturn, are moving within the " Empty Circle of > > Mercury " . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is however also another possible explanation for > this. > > > > Earlier I > > > > > > > said this chart was not only a Dharmi Tewa but also an > > Andhey Tewa, > > > > > > > meaning a Blind chart, both operating simultaniously. It > is > > said > > > > > in LK > > > > > > > that with a blind chart all planets, incl. Saturn, even > if > > exalted, > > > > > > > would behave like the blind people and Sat will be > malefic. > > The > > > > powers > > > > > > > of sight, discrimination, good judgement all gets badly > > affected. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But how can this chart be blind when there is only one > > planet, > > > > > Rahu, in > > > > > > > the 10th house? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please notice that Rahu is malefic, and look very > carefully > > at the > > > > > 12th > > > > > > > house, the root of Rahu. The Sun is in the 12th house > and > > therefore > > > > > > > there is a conjunction of Rahu and Sun by root. Actually > > this is > > > > > all it > > > > > > > takes to turn this into a blind chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In my opinion the suicidal tendencies and signs of > madness > > are the > > > > > > > combined results of a Dharmi Tewa being subject to > malefic > > Rahu, > > > > blind > > > > > > > chart indication and the " Empty Circle of Mercury " . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > > > > Finn Wandahl > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! Go to > > > > http://messenger. / invite/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 8, 2009 Report Share Posted March 8, 2009 Pranam shri prabhakar ji and all senior members, Sir while going through the dharmi tewa again there is one thing that i found very interesting, as written in LK and further stated here by yourself " to aise tewe mein paap ya paapi dono ka hi bura asar na hoga ur sab grah dharmi hongey " does that mean even if the tewa is becoming dharmi due to shani but rahu ketu(paapi grah) will also do not harm (paap chod deinge) or vice versa? please help me out here. many thanks yours respectfully Jitin Syal , " Yograj Prabhakar " <yr_prabhakar wrote: > > Dear Jitin > > Before proceeding further, I would like to present the exact text in > this regard from LK-1952 Page no. 43-44 under the heading Dharmi Greh > for your kind perusal: > > " Paapi greh Saneechar Rahu Ketu teeno hi hain, Rahu aur Ketu khana > number 4 mein paap chhodney ka chandar ke saamney halaf uthatey hain. > Saneechar khana number 11 mein Brahaspat Guru ko hazir nazir samajhkar > Rahu Ketu ke paida kiye gaye papon ka faisla karta hai. Yaani agar Rahu > Ketu khana number 4 ya chandaar ke sath kisi bhi ghar hon aur (2) > Sanichar khana number 11 ya Brahaspat ke sath kisi bhi ghar mein ho, to > aise tewe mein paap ya paapi dono ka hi bura asar na hoga ur sab grah > dharmi hongey. Ye sharat nahi ki paapi greah aisi halat mein baithey > huye uttam phal zarur hi dengey. halaf sirf itna hai ki paap nahi > karengey, " > > That means any of the following placemnts makes a chart a Dharmi Tewa > i.e. a pious Chart: > > (1). Rahu in house no.4 > (2). Ketu in house no. 4 > (3). Rahu with Moon in any house > (4). Ketu with Moon in any house > (5). Saturn in house no. 11 > (6). Saturn with Jupiter in any house > > I look this scenarion from a different perspective. If you see this from > a spiritual standpoint perhaps you will be able to know its true nature. > Dharmi Tewa (a pious horoscope) is a great blessing. Kindly onesebe that > a mere presence of a particularr planet or combination as per the detail > given above can change the outcome the whole horoscope. Isnt it a > blessing? > > Age of a native is normlly determined/seen by the position of Moon in > the chart. but in case of a Dharmi Tewa it is seen/determined from the > 11 house. > > " Umar ka faisala Saneechar Brahaspat waley tewe ke liye Kundli ke khana > number 11 ke greh karengey. Aise tewe mein Drishti vaa upayo vagairah > aam tewe se faraq par hongey , yaani khas khas khanon mein khas khas > grehon hi maqarrah drishti hogi, jinki roo se faisla hoga. " > (LK-1941 Page no. 399) > > Another unique feature of a Dharmi Tewa is that evey house is under the > Direct Drishti of a particular planet, e.g. > 2nd House is under the direct drishti of Jupiter, > 3rd house is under the direct Drishti of Marcury, > 4th house is under the direct Drishti of Moon, > 5th house is under the direct Drishti of Sun, > 6th house is under the direct Drishti of Rahu, > 8th house is under the direct Drishti of Mars, > 10th house is under the direct Drishti of Satrun, > 11th house is under the direct Drishti of Venus > 12th house is under the direct drishti of Ketu. > > Dont you feel that the native has divine surveillance cum protection > from almost every possible corner? This is not an ordinary Phenomenon my > friend. After having such a great gift, the only thing required from the > native's end is the strict discipline and self-restraint. Because any > deviation from the right path may spoil everything. > > We, the Astrotudents Group believes that the native with Dharmi Tewa is > a blessed rather a chosen one. As Once Shri Nirmal Bhardwaj ji wrote > correctly that a person with Dharmi Tewa is sent to the earth with a > cheque book having thousands of leaves signed by God, with the assurance > that every cheque (of any amount) issued by him will be duly honoured. > But on the last page, there is a line with words " Conditions Apply " . And > the condition is that evey amount withdrawn shall be debited to the > natives account. So he must keep his debit-credit square all the time. I > will try to describe this Debit-credit notion in the follwing lines. > > You have mentioned some really significant Characteristics of the Dharmi > tewa, and I totally agree with you. You have wriiten: > > 1. the person has a very simple living and very few hobbies or > pass-time. > 2. the native can never dare to do any harm to others. > 3. always love to help others > 4. usually loves drinking and fond of non-veg. > > I with your kind permission, would like to amend a little the > aove-mentioned lines and addi a few more (these are my strictly my > personal views): > > 1. the person Should have a very simple living but high thinking and > must not waste his time in useless hobbies or pass-time. > 2. The native must never try to harm anyone. > 3. Should always try to help others > 4. Must refrain from drinking and non-veg (Tamsik) food. > 5. Should take a sound sleep. Sona (Gold) and Sona (Sleep) belongs to > jupiter. > 6. Should try to find a Guru in shape of a living human or an ideology . > 7. Should try to have a spiritual background. > 8. Should speak only when it is required. > 9. Telling remedies to non-eligibles is like issuing checques from own > account. > 10.For keping the debit-credit square, a regular meditation etc. is a > must. > 11.Any illicit relations will be fatal. > 12.Self-control is the best remedial measure for such persons. > > Would like to hear more from Gurujans in this regard. > > Sincerely > Yograj Prabhakar > > > , " jitinsyal82 " <jitinsyal82@> > wrote: > > > > pranam all my seniors and gurujans. > > > > i haven't seen much(if any at all) discussion on this topic. i know > > that jupiter+saturn any where in chart, saturn in 11th, > > moon+rahu/ketu anywhere in chart and rahu/ketu in 4th house makes > > a 'dharmi tewa' or a pious chart. > > but what is dharmi tewa? i mean why is it different from others?Even > > while reading, analysing the chart and prescribing remedies dharmi > > tewa changes the whole equation. > > > > i myself have jupiter+saturn in 5th and find few similarities between > > other ppl with this combination. > > 1. the person has a very simple living and very few hobbies or pass- > > time. > > 2. the native can never dare to do any harm to others. > > 3. always love to help others > > 4. usually loves drinking and fond of non-veg. > > > > but then again this is my view/conclusion(which might be wrong) from > > 5-6 dharmi tewa i have seen, i am sure there are senior members in > > this forum who have come across thousands of these charts and i very > > kindly request these members to please share their knowledge with us > > and let me and other keen learners understand this concept better. > > > > yours respectfully > > jitin syal > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 10, 2009 Report Share Posted March 10, 2009 Jitin ji, every such statement has rider which we can call as " conditions apply " the dharmi condition can be natal or sometimes in varshphal. Agar papi grah paap chod dein to tewe wala nirwan sthithi me pahunch jaye. Grah papi nahi ho hon to phir bhi jatak galati ya paap kar jata hai. What is responsible for that. Dharmi tewe wale sabhi sant nahin hote. Grah jab bhi uch ya dharmi hon to jatak par unhein us condition me maintain karne ki zimmewari bhi zyada hoti hai aur amoman grah ko us halat me maintain karna zyada mushkil ho jata hai. Rahu ketu shani kitne grahon ke masnui hain yeh by itself paapi ya malefic effect na dein par baki ke grahon ko maintain karna bhi to zaruri hai. So dharmi tewa is no blanket cover giving immunities to the native. Rather it marks increased responsibility. Regards. Kulbir. On 3/9/09, jitinsyal82 <jitinsyal82 wrote: > Pranam shri prabhakar ji and all senior members, > > Sir while going through the dharmi tewa again there is one thing that i > found very interesting, as written in LK and further stated here by yourself > " to aise tewe mein paap ya paapi dono ka hi bura asar na hoga ur sab grah > dharmi hongey " > does that mean even if the tewa is becoming dharmi due to shani but rahu > ketu(paapi grah) will also do not harm (paap chod deinge) or vice versa? > please help me out here. > > many thanks > yours respectfully > Jitin Syal > > , " Yograj Prabhakar " <yr_prabhakar > wrote: >> >> Dear Jitin >> >> Before proceeding further, I would like to present the exact text in >> this regard from LK-1952 Page no. 43-44 under the heading Dharmi Greh >> for your kind perusal: >> >> " Paapi greh Saneechar Rahu Ketu teeno hi hain, Rahu aur Ketu khana >> number 4 mein paap chhodney ka chandar ke saamney halaf uthatey hain. >> Saneechar khana number 11 mein Brahaspat Guru ko hazir nazir samajhkar >> Rahu Ketu ke paida kiye gaye papon ka faisla karta hai. Yaani agar Rahu >> Ketu khana number 4 ya chandaar ke sath kisi bhi ghar hon aur (2) >> Sanichar khana number 11 ya Brahaspat ke sath kisi bhi ghar mein ho, to >> aise tewe mein paap ya paapi dono ka hi bura asar na hoga ur sab grah >> dharmi hongey. Ye sharat nahi ki paapi greah aisi halat mein baithey >> huye uttam phal zarur hi dengey. halaf sirf itna hai ki paap nahi >> karengey, " >> >> That means any of the following placemnts makes a chart a Dharmi Tewa >> i.e. a pious Chart: >> >> (1). Rahu in house no.4 >> (2). Ketu in house no. 4 >> (3). Rahu with Moon in any house >> (4). Ketu with Moon in any house >> (5). Saturn in house no. 11 >> (6). Saturn with Jupiter in any house >> >> I look this scenarion from a different perspective. If you see this from >> a spiritual standpoint perhaps you will be able to know its true nature. >> Dharmi Tewa (a pious horoscope) is a great blessing. Kindly onesebe that >> a mere presence of a particularr planet or combination as per the detail >> given above can change the outcome the whole horoscope. Isnt it a >> blessing? >> >> Age of a native is normlly determined/seen by the position of Moon in >> the chart. but in case of a Dharmi Tewa it is seen/determined from the >> 11 house. >> >> " Umar ka faisala Saneechar Brahaspat waley tewe ke liye Kundli ke khana >> number 11 ke greh karengey. Aise tewe mein Drishti vaa upayo vagairah >> aam tewe se faraq par hongey , yaani khas khas khanon mein khas khas >> grehon hi maqarrah drishti hogi, jinki roo se faisla hoga. " >> (LK-1941 Page no. 399) >> >> Another unique feature of a Dharmi Tewa is that evey house is under the >> Direct Drishti of a particular planet, e.g. >> 2nd House is under the direct drishti of Jupiter, >> 3rd house is under the direct Drishti of Marcury, >> 4th house is under the direct Drishti of Moon, >> 5th house is under the direct Drishti of Sun, >> 6th house is under the direct Drishti of Rahu, >> 8th house is under the direct Drishti of Mars, >> 10th house is under the direct Drishti of Satrun, >> 11th house is under the direct Drishti of Venus >> 12th house is under the direct drishti of Ketu. >> >> Dont you feel that the native has divine surveillance cum protection >> from almost every possible corner? This is not an ordinary Phenomenon my >> friend. After having such a great gift, the only thing required from the >> native's end is the strict discipline and self-restraint. Because any >> deviation from the right path may spoil everything. >> >> We, the Astrotudents Group believes that the native with Dharmi Tewa is >> a blessed rather a chosen one. As Once Shri Nirmal Bhardwaj ji wrote >> correctly that a person with Dharmi Tewa is sent to the earth with a >> cheque book having thousands of leaves signed by God, with the assurance >> that every cheque (of any amount) issued by him will be duly honoured. >> But on the last page, there is a line with words " Conditions Apply " . And >> the condition is that evey amount withdrawn shall be debited to the >> natives account. So he must keep his debit-credit square all the time. I >> will try to describe this Debit-credit notion in the follwing lines. >> >> You have mentioned some really significant Characteristics of the Dharmi >> tewa, and I totally agree with you. You have wriiten: >> >> 1. the person has a very simple living and very few hobbies or >> pass-time. >> 2. the native can never dare to do any harm to others. >> 3. always love to help others >> 4. usually loves drinking and fond of non-veg. >> >> I with your kind permission, would like to amend a little the >> aove-mentioned lines and addi a few more (these are my strictly my >> personal views): >> >> 1. the person Should have a very simple living but high thinking and >> must not waste his time in useless hobbies or pass-time. >> 2. The native must never try to harm anyone. >> 3. Should always try to help others >> 4. Must refrain from drinking and non-veg (Tamsik) food. >> 5. Should take a sound sleep. Sona (Gold) and Sona (Sleep) belongs to >> jupiter. >> 6. Should try to find a Guru in shape of a living human or an ideology . >> 7. Should try to have a spiritual background. >> 8. Should speak only when it is required. >> 9. Telling remedies to non-eligibles is like issuing checques from own >> account. >> 10.For keping the debit-credit square, a regular meditation etc. is a >> must. >> 11.Any illicit relations will be fatal. >> 12.Self-control is the best remedial measure for such persons. >> >> Would like to hear more from Gurujans in this regard. >> >> Sincerely >> Yograj Prabhakar >> >> >> , " jitinsyal82 " <jitinsyal82@> >> wrote: >> > >> > pranam all my seniors and gurujans. >> > >> > i haven't seen much(if any at all) discussion on this topic. i know >> > that jupiter+saturn any where in chart, saturn in 11th, >> > moon+rahu/ketu anywhere in chart and rahu/ketu in 4th house makes >> > a 'dharmi tewa' or a pious chart. >> > but what is dharmi tewa? i mean why is it different from others?Even >> > while reading, analysing the chart and prescribing remedies dharmi >> > tewa changes the whole equation. >> > >> > i myself have jupiter+saturn in 5th and find few similarities between >> > other ppl with this combination. >> > 1. the person has a very simple living and very few hobbies or pass- >> > time. >> > 2. the native can never dare to do any harm to others. >> > 3. always love to help others >> > 4. usually loves drinking and fond of non-veg. >> > >> > but then again this is my view/conclusion(which might be wrong) from >> > 5-6 dharmi tewa i have seen, i am sure there are senior members in >> > this forum who have come across thousands of these charts and i very >> > kindly request these members to please share their knowledge with us >> > and let me and other keen learners understand this concept better. >> > >> > yours respectfully >> > jitin syal >> > >> > > > -- Sent from my mobile device Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 11, 2009 Report Share Posted March 11, 2009 Respected kulbir ji pranam, First of all thanks for replying to my query Secondly sir i know that dharmi tewa is not a blanket cover for immunity and i never said that, rather i consider it as a blessing AND a huge responsbility. Don't you think it's bit unfair where a normal person says something (whether or not it comes true) doesn't have to bear any consequences for it, whereas a person with dharmi tewa has to watch every time they open their mouth?? My concern was whether or not other paapi grah also give up their malefic nature in this particular situation, which you have answered exceptionally well. Being a novice in the subject i can only learn these things from you, so thank you once again for your guidance yours respectfully Jitin syal , kulbir bance <kulbirbance wrote: > > Jitin ji, every such statement has rider which we can call as > " conditions apply " the dharmi condition can be natal or sometimes in > varshphal. Agar papi grah paap chod dein to tewe wala nirwan sthithi > me pahunch jaye. Grah papi nahi ho hon to phir bhi jatak galati ya > paap kar jata hai. What is responsible for that. Dharmi tewe wale > sabhi sant nahin hote. Grah jab bhi uch ya dharmi hon to jatak par > unhein us condition me maintain karne ki zimmewari bhi zyada hoti hai > aur amoman grah ko us halat me maintain karna zyada mushkil ho jata > hai. Rahu ketu shani kitne grahon ke masnui hain yeh by itself paapi > ya malefic effect na dein par baki ke grahon ko maintain karna bhi to > zaruri hai. So dharmi tewa is no blanket cover giving immunities to > the native. Rather it marks increased responsibility. Regards. Kulbir. > > On 3/9/09, jitinsyal82 <jitinsyal82 wrote: > > Pranam shri prabhakar ji and all senior members, > > > > Sir while going through the dharmi tewa again there is one thing that i > > found very interesting, as written in LK and further stated here by yourself > > " to aise tewe mein paap ya paapi dono ka hi bura asar na hoga ur sab grah > > dharmi hongey " > > does that mean even if the tewa is becoming dharmi due to shani but rahu > > ketu(paapi grah) will also do not harm (paap chod deinge) or vice versa? > > please help me out here. > > > > many thanks > > yours respectfully > > Jitin Syal > > > > , " Yograj Prabhakar " <yr_prabhakar@> > > wrote: > >> > >> Dear Jitin > >> > >> Before proceeding further, I would like to present the exact text in > >> this regard from LK-1952 Page no. 43-44 under the heading Dharmi Greh > >> for your kind perusal: > >> > >> " Paapi greh Saneechar Rahu Ketu teeno hi hain, Rahu aur Ketu khana > >> number 4 mein paap chhodney ka chandar ke saamney halaf uthatey hain. > >> Saneechar khana number 11 mein Brahaspat Guru ko hazir nazir samajhkar > >> Rahu Ketu ke paida kiye gaye papon ka faisla karta hai. Yaani agar Rahu > >> Ketu khana number 4 ya chandaar ke sath kisi bhi ghar hon aur (2) > >> Sanichar khana number 11 ya Brahaspat ke sath kisi bhi ghar mein ho, to > >> aise tewe mein paap ya paapi dono ka hi bura asar na hoga ur sab grah > >> dharmi hongey. Ye sharat nahi ki paapi greah aisi halat mein baithey > >> huye uttam phal zarur hi dengey. halaf sirf itna hai ki paap nahi > >> karengey, " > >> > >> That means any of the following placemnts makes a chart a Dharmi Tewa > >> i.e. a pious Chart: > >> > >> (1). Rahu in house no.4 > >> (2). Ketu in house no. 4 > >> (3). Rahu with Moon in any house > >> (4). Ketu with Moon in any house > >> (5). Saturn in house no. 11 > >> (6). Saturn with Jupiter in any house > >> > >> I look this scenarion from a different perspective. If you see this from > >> a spiritual standpoint perhaps you will be able to know its true nature. > >> Dharmi Tewa (a pious horoscope) is a great blessing. Kindly onesebe that > >> a mere presence of a particularr planet or combination as per the detail > >> given above can change the outcome the whole horoscope. Isnt it a > >> blessing? > >> > >> Age of a native is normlly determined/seen by the position of Moon in > >> the chart. but in case of a Dharmi Tewa it is seen/determined from the > >> 11 house. > >> > >> " Umar ka faisala Saneechar Brahaspat waley tewe ke liye Kundli ke khana > >> number 11 ke greh karengey. Aise tewe mein Drishti vaa upayo vagairah > >> aam tewe se faraq par hongey , yaani khas khas khanon mein khas khas > >> grehon hi maqarrah drishti hogi, jinki roo se faisla hoga. " > >> (LK-1941 Page no. 399) > >> > >> Another unique feature of a Dharmi Tewa is that evey house is under the > >> Direct Drishti of a particular planet, e.g. > >> 2nd House is under the direct drishti of Jupiter, > >> 3rd house is under the direct Drishti of Marcury, > >> 4th house is under the direct Drishti of Moon, > >> 5th house is under the direct Drishti of Sun, > >> 6th house is under the direct Drishti of Rahu, > >> 8th house is under the direct Drishti of Mars, > >> 10th house is under the direct Drishti of Satrun, > >> 11th house is under the direct Drishti of Venus > >> 12th house is under the direct drishti of Ketu. > >> > >> Dont you feel that the native has divine surveillance cum protection > >> from almost every possible corner? This is not an ordinary Phenomenon my > >> friend. After having such a great gift, the only thing required from the > >> native's end is the strict discipline and self-restraint. Because any > >> deviation from the right path may spoil everything. > >> > >> We, the Astrotudents Group believes that the native with Dharmi Tewa is > >> a blessed rather a chosen one. As Once Shri Nirmal Bhardwaj ji wrote > >> correctly that a person with Dharmi Tewa is sent to the earth with a > >> cheque book having thousands of leaves signed by God, with the assurance > >> that every cheque (of any amount) issued by him will be duly honoured. > >> But on the last page, there is a line with words " Conditions Apply " . And > >> the condition is that evey amount withdrawn shall be debited to the > >> natives account. So he must keep his debit-credit square all the time. I > >> will try to describe this Debit-credit notion in the follwing lines. > >> > >> You have mentioned some really significant Characteristics of the Dharmi > >> tewa, and I totally agree with you. You have wriiten: > >> > >> 1. the person has a very simple living and very few hobbies or > >> pass-time. > >> 2. the native can never dare to do any harm to others. > >> 3. always love to help others > >> 4. usually loves drinking and fond of non-veg. > >> > >> I with your kind permission, would like to amend a little the > >> aove-mentioned lines and addi a few more (these are my strictly my > >> personal views): > >> > >> 1. the person Should have a very simple living but high thinking and > >> must not waste his time in useless hobbies or pass-time. > >> 2. The native must never try to harm anyone. > >> 3. Should always try to help others > >> 4. Must refrain from drinking and non-veg (Tamsik) food. > >> 5. Should take a sound sleep. Sona (Gold) and Sona (Sleep) belongs to > >> jupiter. > >> 6. Should try to find a Guru in shape of a living human or an ideology . > >> 7. Should try to have a spiritual background. > >> 8. Should speak only when it is required. > >> 9. Telling remedies to non-eligibles is like issuing checques from own > >> account. > >> 10.For keping the debit-credit square, a regular meditation etc. is a > >> must. > >> 11.Any illicit relations will be fatal. > >> 12.Self-control is the best remedial measure for such persons. > >> > >> Would like to hear more from Gurujans in this regard. > >> > >> Sincerely > >> Yograj Prabhakar > >> > >> > >> , " jitinsyal82 " <jitinsyal82@> > >> wrote: > >> > > >> > pranam all my seniors and gurujans. > >> > > >> > i haven't seen much(if any at all) discussion on this topic. i know > >> > that jupiter+saturn any where in chart, saturn in 11th, > >> > moon+rahu/ketu anywhere in chart and rahu/ketu in 4th house makes > >> > a 'dharmi tewa' or a pious chart. > >> > but what is dharmi tewa? i mean why is it different from others?Even > >> > while reading, analysing the chart and prescribing remedies dharmi > >> > tewa changes the whole equation. > >> > > >> > i myself have jupiter+saturn in 5th and find few similarities between > >> > other ppl with this combination. > >> > 1. the person has a very simple living and very few hobbies or pass- > >> > time. > >> > 2. the native can never dare to do any harm to others. > >> > 3. always love to help others > >> > 4. usually loves drinking and fond of non-veg. > >> > > >> > but then again this is my view/conclusion(which might be wrong) from > >> > 5-6 dharmi tewa i have seen, i am sure there are senior members in > >> > this forum who have come across thousands of these charts and i very > >> > kindly request these members to please share their knowledge with us > >> > and let me and other keen learners understand this concept better. > >> > > >> > yours respectfully > >> > jitin syal > >> > > >> > > > > > > > > -- > Sent from my mobile device > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 11, 2009 Report Share Posted March 11, 2009 Jitin ji, u can read budh in 5, mars in 6, such natives have been said to be have greater powers like prediction prophesies etc. The point is to cultivate them and further know the limits. If such native says that sun will shine continously for 24 hrs in india. Such absurd claims cannot be entertained. To say such natives have an inherent gift. But conditions apply. Kulbir. On 3/11/09, jitinsyal82 <jitinsyal82 wrote: > Respected kulbir ji pranam, > > First of all thanks for replying to my query > Secondly sir i know that dharmi tewa is not a blanket cover for immunity and > i never said that, rather i consider it as a blessing AND a huge > responsbility. > > Don't you think it's bit unfair where a normal person says something > (whether or not it comes true) doesn't have to bear any consequences for it, > whereas a person with dharmi tewa has to watch every time they open their > mouth?? > > My concern was whether or not other paapi grah also give up their malefic > nature in this particular situation, which you have answered exceptionally > well. > Being a novice in the subject i can only learn these things from you, so > thank you once again for your guidance > > yours respectfully > Jitin syal > > , kulbir bance <kulbirbance wrote: >> >> Jitin ji, every such statement has rider which we can call as >> " conditions apply " the dharmi condition can be natal or sometimes in >> varshphal. Agar papi grah paap chod dein to tewe wala nirwan sthithi >> me pahunch jaye. Grah papi nahi ho hon to phir bhi jatak galati ya >> paap kar jata hai. What is responsible for that. Dharmi tewe wale >> sabhi sant nahin hote. Grah jab bhi uch ya dharmi hon to jatak par >> unhein us condition me maintain karne ki zimmewari bhi zyada hoti hai >> aur amoman grah ko us halat me maintain karna zyada mushkil ho jata >> hai. Rahu ketu shani kitne grahon ke masnui hain yeh by itself paapi >> ya malefic effect na dein par baki ke grahon ko maintain karna bhi to >> zaruri hai. So dharmi tewa is no blanket cover giving immunities to >> the native. Rather it marks increased responsibility. Regards. Kulbir. >> >> On 3/9/09, jitinsyal82 <jitinsyal82 wrote: >> > Pranam shri prabhakar ji and all senior members, >> > >> > Sir while going through the dharmi tewa again there is one thing that i >> > found very interesting, as written in LK and further stated here by >> > yourself >> > " to aise tewe mein paap ya paapi dono ka hi bura asar na hoga ur sab >> > grah >> > dharmi hongey " >> > does that mean even if the tewa is becoming dharmi due to shani but rahu >> > ketu(paapi grah) will also do not harm (paap chod deinge) or vice versa? >> > please help me out here. >> > >> > many thanks >> > yours respectfully >> > Jitin Syal >> > >> > , " Yograj Prabhakar " <yr_prabhakar@> >> > wrote: >> >> >> >> Dear Jitin >> >> >> >> Before proceeding further, I would like to present the exact text in >> >> this regard from LK-1952 Page no. 43-44 under the heading Dharmi Greh >> >> for your kind perusal: >> >> >> >> " Paapi greh Saneechar Rahu Ketu teeno hi hain, Rahu aur Ketu khana >> >> number 4 mein paap chhodney ka chandar ke saamney halaf uthatey hain. >> >> Saneechar khana number 11 mein Brahaspat Guru ko hazir nazir samajhkar >> >> Rahu Ketu ke paida kiye gaye papon ka faisla karta hai. Yaani agar Rahu >> >> Ketu khana number 4 ya chandaar ke sath kisi bhi ghar hon aur (2) >> >> Sanichar khana number 11 ya Brahaspat ke sath kisi bhi ghar mein ho, to >> >> aise tewe mein paap ya paapi dono ka hi bura asar na hoga ur sab grah >> >> dharmi hongey. Ye sharat nahi ki paapi greah aisi halat mein baithey >> >> huye uttam phal zarur hi dengey. halaf sirf itna hai ki paap nahi >> >> karengey, " >> >> >> >> That means any of the following placemnts makes a chart a Dharmi Tewa >> >> i.e. a pious Chart: >> >> >> >> (1). Rahu in house no.4 >> >> (2). Ketu in house no. 4 >> >> (3). Rahu with Moon in any house >> >> (4). Ketu with Moon in any house >> >> (5). Saturn in house no. 11 >> >> (6). Saturn with Jupiter in any house >> >> >> >> I look this scenarion from a different perspective. If you see this >> >> from >> >> a spiritual standpoint perhaps you will be able to know its true >> >> nature. >> >> Dharmi Tewa (a pious horoscope) is a great blessing. Kindly onesebe >> >> that >> >> a mere presence of a particularr planet or combination as per the >> >> detail >> >> given above can change the outcome the whole horoscope. Isnt it a >> >> blessing? >> >> >> >> Age of a native is normlly determined/seen by the position of Moon in >> >> the chart. but in case of a Dharmi Tewa it is seen/determined from the >> >> 11 house. >> >> >> >> " Umar ka faisala Saneechar Brahaspat waley tewe ke liye Kundli ke khana >> >> number 11 ke greh karengey. Aise tewe mein Drishti vaa upayo vagairah >> >> aam tewe se faraq par hongey , yaani khas khas khanon mein khas khas >> >> grehon hi maqarrah drishti hogi, jinki roo se faisla hoga. " >> >> (LK-1941 Page no. 399) >> >> >> >> Another unique feature of a Dharmi Tewa is that evey house is under the >> >> Direct Drishti of a particular planet, e.g. >> >> 2nd House is under the direct drishti of Jupiter, >> >> 3rd house is under the direct Drishti of Marcury, >> >> 4th house is under the direct Drishti of Moon, >> >> 5th house is under the direct Drishti of Sun, >> >> 6th house is under the direct Drishti of Rahu, >> >> 8th house is under the direct Drishti of Mars, >> >> 10th house is under the direct Drishti of Satrun, >> >> 11th house is under the direct Drishti of Venus >> >> 12th house is under the direct drishti of Ketu. >> >> >> >> Dont you feel that the native has divine surveillance cum protection >> >> from almost every possible corner? This is not an ordinary Phenomenon >> >> my >> >> friend. After having such a great gift, the only thing required from >> >> the >> >> native's end is the strict discipline and self-restraint. Because any >> >> deviation from the right path may spoil everything. >> >> >> >> We, the Astrotudents Group believes that the native with Dharmi Tewa is >> >> a blessed rather a chosen one. As Once Shri Nirmal Bhardwaj ji wrote >> >> correctly that a person with Dharmi Tewa is sent to the earth with a >> >> cheque book having thousands of leaves signed by God, with the >> >> assurance >> >> that every cheque (of any amount) issued by him will be duly honoured. >> >> But on the last page, there is a line with words " Conditions Apply " . >> >> And >> >> the condition is that evey amount withdrawn shall be debited to the >> >> natives account. So he must keep his debit-credit square all the time. >> >> I >> >> will try to describe this Debit-credit notion in the follwing lines. >> >> >> >> You have mentioned some really significant Characteristics of the >> >> Dharmi >> >> tewa, and I totally agree with you. You have wriiten: >> >> >> >> 1. the person has a very simple living and very few hobbies or >> >> pass-time. >> >> 2. the native can never dare to do any harm to others. >> >> 3. always love to help others >> >> 4. usually loves drinking and fond of non-veg. >> >> >> >> I with your kind permission, would like to amend a little the >> >> aove-mentioned lines and addi a few more (these are my strictly my >> >> personal views): >> >> >> >> 1. the person Should have a very simple living but high thinking and >> >> must not waste his time in useless hobbies or pass-time. >> >> 2. The native must never try to harm anyone. >> >> 3. Should always try to help others >> >> 4. Must refrain from drinking and non-veg (Tamsik) food. >> >> 5. Should take a sound sleep. Sona (Gold) and Sona (Sleep) belongs to >> >> jupiter. >> >> 6. Should try to find a Guru in shape of a living human or an ideology >> >> . >> >> 7. Should try to have a spiritual background. >> >> 8. Should speak only when it is required. >> >> 9. Telling remedies to non-eligibles is like issuing checques from own >> >> account. >> >> 10.For keping the debit-credit square, a regular meditation etc. is a >> >> must. >> >> 11.Any illicit relations will be fatal. >> >> 12.Self-control is the best remedial measure for such persons. >> >> >> >> Would like to hear more from Gurujans in this regard. >> >> >> >> Sincerely >> >> Yograj Prabhakar >> >> >> >> >> >> , " jitinsyal82 " <jitinsyal82@> >> >> wrote: >> >> > >> >> > pranam all my seniors and gurujans. >> >> > >> >> > i haven't seen much(if any at all) discussion on this topic. i know >> >> > that jupiter+saturn any where in chart, saturn in 11th, >> >> > moon+rahu/ketu anywhere in chart and rahu/ketu in 4th house makes >> >> > a 'dharmi tewa' or a pious chart. >> >> > but what is dharmi tewa? i mean why is it different from others?Even >> >> > while reading, analysing the chart and prescribing remedies dharmi >> >> > tewa changes the whole equation. >> >> > >> >> > i myself have jupiter+saturn in 5th and find few similarities between >> >> > other ppl with this combination. >> >> > 1. the person has a very simple living and very few hobbies or pass- >> >> > time. >> >> > 2. the native can never dare to do any harm to others. >> >> > 3. always love to help others >> >> > 4. usually loves drinking and fond of non-veg. >> >> > >> >> > but then again this is my view/conclusion(which might be wrong) from >> >> > 5-6 dharmi tewa i have seen, i am sure there are senior members in >> >> > this forum who have come across thousands of these charts and i very >> >> > kindly request these members to please share their knowledge with us >> >> > and let me and other keen learners understand this concept better. >> >> > >> >> > yours respectfully >> >> > jitin syal >> >> > >> >> >> > >> > >> > >> >> -- >> Sent from my mobile device >> > > > -- Sent from my mobile device Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 11, 2009 Report Share Posted March 11, 2009 sir ji, i got your point. please keep enlighting us like this Thanks heaps respectfully Jitin Syal , kulbir bance <kulbirbance wrote: > > Jitin ji, u can read budh in 5, mars in 6, such natives have been said > to be have greater powers like prediction prophesies etc. The point is > to cultivate them and further know the limits. If such native says > that sun will shine continously for 24 hrs in india. Such absurd > claims cannot be entertained. To say such natives have an inherent > gift. But conditions apply. Kulbir. > > On 3/11/09, jitinsyal82 <jitinsyal82 wrote: > > Respected kulbir ji pranam, > > > > First of all thanks for replying to my query > > Secondly sir i know that dharmi tewa is not a blanket cover for immunity and > > i never said that, rather i consider it as a blessing AND a huge > > responsbility. > > > > Don't you think it's bit unfair where a normal person says something > > (whether or not it comes true) doesn't have to bear any consequences for it, > > whereas a person with dharmi tewa has to watch every time they open their > > mouth?? > > > > My concern was whether or not other paapi grah also give up their malefic > > nature in this particular situation, which you have answered exceptionally > > well. > > Being a novice in the subject i can only learn these things from you, so > > thank you once again for your guidance > > > > yours respectfully > > Jitin syal > > > > , kulbir bance <kulbirbance@> wrote: > >> > >> Jitin ji, every such statement has rider which we can call as > >> " conditions apply " the dharmi condition can be natal or sometimes in > >> varshphal. Agar papi grah paap chod dein to tewe wala nirwan sthithi > >> me pahunch jaye. Grah papi nahi ho hon to phir bhi jatak galati ya > >> paap kar jata hai. What is responsible for that. Dharmi tewe wale > >> sabhi sant nahin hote. Grah jab bhi uch ya dharmi hon to jatak par > >> unhein us condition me maintain karne ki zimmewari bhi zyada hoti hai > >> aur amoman grah ko us halat me maintain karna zyada mushkil ho jata > >> hai. Rahu ketu shani kitne grahon ke masnui hain yeh by itself paapi > >> ya malefic effect na dein par baki ke grahon ko maintain karna bhi to > >> zaruri hai. So dharmi tewa is no blanket cover giving immunities to > >> the native. Rather it marks increased responsibility. Regards. Kulbir. > >> > >> On 3/9/09, jitinsyal82 <jitinsyal82@> wrote: > >> > Pranam shri prabhakar ji and all senior members, > >> > > >> > Sir while going through the dharmi tewa again there is one thing that i > >> > found very interesting, as written in LK and further stated here by > >> > yourself > >> > " to aise tewe mein paap ya paapi dono ka hi bura asar na hoga ur sab > >> > grah > >> > dharmi hongey " > >> > does that mean even if the tewa is becoming dharmi due to shani but rahu > >> > ketu(paapi grah) will also do not harm (paap chod deinge) or vice versa? > >> > please help me out here. > >> > > >> > many thanks > >> > yours respectfully > >> > Jitin Syal > >> > > >> > , " Yograj Prabhakar " <yr_prabhakar@> > >> > wrote: > >> >> > >> >> Dear Jitin > >> >> > >> >> Before proceeding further, I would like to present the exact text in > >> >> this regard from LK-1952 Page no. 43-44 under the heading Dharmi Greh > >> >> for your kind perusal: > >> >> > >> >> " Paapi greh Saneechar Rahu Ketu teeno hi hain, Rahu aur Ketu khana > >> >> number 4 mein paap chhodney ka chandar ke saamney halaf uthatey hain. > >> >> Saneechar khana number 11 mein Brahaspat Guru ko hazir nazir samajhkar > >> >> Rahu Ketu ke paida kiye gaye papon ka faisla karta hai. Yaani agar Rahu > >> >> Ketu khana number 4 ya chandaar ke sath kisi bhi ghar hon aur (2) > >> >> Sanichar khana number 11 ya Brahaspat ke sath kisi bhi ghar mein ho, to > >> >> aise tewe mein paap ya paapi dono ka hi bura asar na hoga ur sab grah > >> >> dharmi hongey. Ye sharat nahi ki paapi greah aisi halat mein baithey > >> >> huye uttam phal zarur hi dengey. halaf sirf itna hai ki paap nahi > >> >> karengey, " > >> >> > >> >> That means any of the following placemnts makes a chart a Dharmi Tewa > >> >> i.e. a pious Chart: > >> >> > >> >> (1). Rahu in house no.4 > >> >> (2). Ketu in house no. 4 > >> >> (3). Rahu with Moon in any house > >> >> (4). Ketu with Moon in any house > >> >> (5). Saturn in house no. 11 > >> >> (6). Saturn with Jupiter in any house > >> >> > >> >> I look this scenarion from a different perspective. If you see this > >> >> from > >> >> a spiritual standpoint perhaps you will be able to know its true > >> >> nature. > >> >> Dharmi Tewa (a pious horoscope) is a great blessing. Kindly onesebe > >> >> that > >> >> a mere presence of a particularr planet or combination as per the > >> >> detail > >> >> given above can change the outcome the whole horoscope. Isnt it a > >> >> blessing? > >> >> > >> >> Age of a native is normlly determined/seen by the position of Moon in > >> >> the chart. but in case of a Dharmi Tewa it is seen/determined from the > >> >> 11 house. > >> >> > >> >> " Umar ka faisala Saneechar Brahaspat waley tewe ke liye Kundli ke khana > >> >> number 11 ke greh karengey. Aise tewe mein Drishti vaa upayo vagairah > >> >> aam tewe se faraq par hongey , yaani khas khas khanon mein khas khas > >> >> grehon hi maqarrah drishti hogi, jinki roo se faisla hoga. " > >> >> (LK-1941 Page no. 399) > >> >> > >> >> Another unique feature of a Dharmi Tewa is that evey house is under the > >> >> Direct Drishti of a particular planet, e.g. > >> >> 2nd House is under the direct drishti of Jupiter, > >> >> 3rd house is under the direct Drishti of Marcury, > >> >> 4th house is under the direct Drishti of Moon, > >> >> 5th house is under the direct Drishti of Sun, > >> >> 6th house is under the direct Drishti of Rahu, > >> >> 8th house is under the direct Drishti of Mars, > >> >> 10th house is under the direct Drishti of Satrun, > >> >> 11th house is under the direct Drishti of Venus > >> >> 12th house is under the direct drishti of Ketu. > >> >> > >> >> Dont you feel that the native has divine surveillance cum protection > >> >> from almost every possible corner? This is not an ordinary Phenomenon > >> >> my > >> >> friend. After having such a great gift, the only thing required from > >> >> the > >> >> native's end is the strict discipline and self-restraint. Because any > >> >> deviation from the right path may spoil everything. > >> >> > >> >> We, the Astrotudents Group believes that the native with Dharmi Tewa is > >> >> a blessed rather a chosen one. As Once Shri Nirmal Bhardwaj ji wrote > >> >> correctly that a person with Dharmi Tewa is sent to the earth with a > >> >> cheque book having thousands of leaves signed by God, with the > >> >> assurance > >> >> that every cheque (of any amount) issued by him will be duly honoured. > >> >> But on the last page, there is a line with words " Conditions Apply " . > >> >> And > >> >> the condition is that evey amount withdrawn shall be debited to the > >> >> natives account. So he must keep his debit-credit square all the time. > >> >> I > >> >> will try to describe this Debit-credit notion in the follwing lines. > >> >> > >> >> You have mentioned some really significant Characteristics of the > >> >> Dharmi > >> >> tewa, and I totally agree with you. You have wriiten: > >> >> > >> >> 1. the person has a very simple living and very few hobbies or > >> >> pass-time. > >> >> 2. the native can never dare to do any harm to others. > >> >> 3. always love to help others > >> >> 4. usually loves drinking and fond of non-veg. > >> >> > >> >> I with your kind permission, would like to amend a little the > >> >> aove-mentioned lines and addi a few more (these are my strictly my > >> >> personal views): > >> >> > >> >> 1. the person Should have a very simple living but high thinking and > >> >> must not waste his time in useless hobbies or pass-time. > >> >> 2. The native must never try to harm anyone. > >> >> 3. Should always try to help others > >> >> 4. Must refrain from drinking and non-veg (Tamsik) food. > >> >> 5. Should take a sound sleep. Sona (Gold) and Sona (Sleep) belongs to > >> >> jupiter. > >> >> 6. Should try to find a Guru in shape of a living human or an ideology > >> >> . > >> >> 7. Should try to have a spiritual background. > >> >> 8. Should speak only when it is required. > >> >> 9. Telling remedies to non-eligibles is like issuing checques from own > >> >> account. > >> >> 10.For keping the debit-credit square, a regular meditation etc. is a > >> >> must. > >> >> 11.Any illicit relations will be fatal. > >> >> 12.Self-control is the best remedial measure for such persons. > >> >> > >> >> Would like to hear more from Gurujans in this regard. > >> >> > >> >> Sincerely > >> >> Yograj Prabhakar > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> , " jitinsyal82 " <jitinsyal82@> > >> >> wrote: > >> >> > > >> >> > pranam all my seniors and gurujans. > >> >> > > >> >> > i haven't seen much(if any at all) discussion on this topic. i know > >> >> > that jupiter+saturn any where in chart, saturn in 11th, > >> >> > moon+rahu/ketu anywhere in chart and rahu/ketu in 4th house makes > >> >> > a 'dharmi tewa' or a pious chart. > >> >> > but what is dharmi tewa? i mean why is it different from others?Even > >> >> > while reading, analysing the chart and prescribing remedies dharmi > >> >> > tewa changes the whole equation. > >> >> > > >> >> > i myself have jupiter+saturn in 5th and find few similarities between > >> >> > other ppl with this combination. > >> >> > 1. the person has a very simple living and very few hobbies or pass- > >> >> > time. > >> >> > 2. the native can never dare to do any harm to others. > >> >> > 3. always love to help others > >> >> > 4. usually loves drinking and fond of non-veg. > >> >> > > >> >> > but then again this is my view/conclusion(which might be wrong) from > >> >> > 5-6 dharmi tewa i have seen, i am sure there are senior members in > >> >> > this forum who have come across thousands of these charts and i very > >> >> > kindly request these members to please share their knowledge with us > >> >> > and let me and other keen learners understand this concept better. > >> >> > > >> >> > yours respectfully > >> >> > jitin syal > >> >> > > >> >> > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> -- > >> Sent from my mobile device > >> > > > > > > > > -- > Sent from my mobile device > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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