Guest guest Posted August 11, 2008 Report Share Posted August 11, 2008 <span style= " font-weight:bold;color:rgb(128, 0, 0); " >M S KONDAL</span> ----- Forwarded Message ---- maneshwar singh kondal <mskondal shatendra_s Monday, August 11, 2008 11:43:03 PM 8-8-8 saturn is a friend dear members, charan pranaam to all my seniors and hello to all of my colleagues,today i got mail from Mr shatendera k sharma who is working at avery respectable post injawaharlal nehru university at delhi and holding a strategic position and he has asked all the members to raise a voice against all the so called babas and astrologers who are appearing on the tv everyday and making people paniky by telling their own originated or manifested stories regarding the destruction of the world and other untoward incidents across the world.these things do have an impact on general masses because these are being telecasted by reputed tv channels without of any responsibility that they are misguiding the masses.tv people are attracting people more and more in numbers to watch their tv channel by introducing various and different characters who are promoting themselves rather than to educate people of the true facts.all of us have seen that nothing bad had happened without the routine ones as such promoted by astrologers and numerologists that this is going to happen or that is going to happen,all of them say this could happen they dont say firmly and confidently that this will happen.and now no one is seen on the tv talking about it even the channels have stoped discussions on it. and nobody from the public has also raised this question to the media that what next they have to say. i dont say that astrology is not there ,i am also a true believer of astrology ,being an engineer i am also doing some research works on astrology its a proper science but it doesnt say that one should play with the lives of public.rather its a science which makes you aware of the happenings in advance and tells us to be prepared people were recently saying lot of things bad about 8-8-8 combination and saturns bad influence. but our scriptures say not a single planet is bad rather each and every planet helps us to refine our energies in that particular field represented by that particular planet.our bad fate is this that we start looking only the negative part of the planet instead of looking good out of it and trying to improvise our negative influences of that planet by inscribing our positive energies to get rid of the negativity.but this is not happening and we start cursing the planets.this is really bad because it only increases the negativity which ultimately engulfs us in its traps and finally we become the victim of our own negativity and come out as a failure and we blame the planet that because of this planet we r in trouble. this means we are inviting troubles ourselves and blaming it to planets .take an example of saturn. Saturn is the planet of responsibility. Saturn imposes its burdens on an individual so that he understands the importance of his own needs. By meeting the responsibilities of Saturn, the individual gives form to his own self worth. Even though Saturn has been thought of as the planet of restrictions, it is actually a planet of great freedom. When one avoids the tasks and responsibilities that give meaning and purpose to one’s existence, then there is no questions that the weight of Saturn is felt heavily. All that an individual should confront but tries to ignore starts to gather weight in his mind. When a more positive approach is taken in dealing with everyday obstacles which are only stepping stones towards one’s evolution, the more one frees oneself from the weight of the past. Saturn is the planet of Karma and makes an individual’s life, in many ways, the result of his past actions. In order to flow with the best energies of Saturn, an individual must be ready to truly confront himself. What he is building in the here and now must be a firm foundation beneath his feet. Saturn is the teacher, and holds within the greatest secrets of the universe if one has the willingness to learn. What one does each day is more important that what one dreams about doing in the future. The lesson of Saturn is not to look at what others do or even years later what one could have done oneself, but rather to effectively build structure to one’s life, here, now, today! Saturn is the planet of discipline. It instructs a person to stay within his own purpose, regardless of how difficult it may at times appear to be. The ultimate that one can achieve through Saturn is the sense of meaning that comes from knowing how purposeful everything one does actually is. This planet which rules the conscience, is forever developing in the “Now†to give an individual the steady guidance he needs in order to know his own strength. Saturn can be ones benefactor, or one’s burden of woe depending completely upon the way in which a person builds his structure. Saturn is the taskmaster. He who lives in “The Now†is always the master of the task! To fear Saturn is to fear knowing who we are, and what we are capable of accomplishing; to learn to work with its energies is to master the physical and material worlds, and ready ourselves for the challenges of the spiritual and the unseen. Saturn is a real teacher. Just keep going, even you feel it’s hard. The gifts will be worth it. I remember a teacher I had who was very strict and rigorous. Everyone despised him but he knew that the survivors would have the higher grades in the final exams which lead us to the university. And so it happened. Saturn Returns occurs about every 30 years or so, and unlike Jupiter Returns (which are usually fun) they are a very serious matter. The first Saturn return occurs at around the age of 30, a significant period in most lives. This is the first time you will feel the reap-what-you-sow side of Saturn, as you take stock of what you have achieved - or not - how your youthful dreams have been fulfilled - or not. It can be a time of serious navel gazing, and stock taking. Depending on the position and aspects of your natal Saturn, you may change direction altogether, or choose to consolidate on what you have already gained. Career, relationships and social connections can all come under the microscope. The second Saturn Return occurs at about age 60, and once again the focus is on taking a searching look at what life has dealt you, and what you have dealt yourself. This can be a time of really sobering reflection as you consider retirement and the years ahead. Can you afford to retire? Have you sufficient other interests to look forward to a life without work? Or are you considering another venture, something that uses your accumulated skills and wisdom? What goes around comes around, that is the real meaning of a Saturn Return. Saturn represents responsibility, self-discipline, obstacles and limitations. Saturn's influence can be restrictive, cold and severe and is usually noticeable in your life when you are faced with obstacles. How you deal with obstacles and limitations is represented by the characteristics of your Saturn sign. Saturn's position in your chart determines how well you accept responsibility, as well as which types of delays and opposition you can expect to encounter in life. The following planets are slow-moving, spending more than seven years in each sign. These planets have a generational influence as well as an individual influence. While the characteristics of your Uranus, Neptune, and Pluto signs are still expressed to some degree in your personality, their influence is not as strong as the above-mentioned planets. Returns of the planets, Uranus, Neptune and Pluto, do not have the significance of returns of the inner planets because they move extremely slowly. But as they move, they will aspect natal planets in transit and at these times can point to periods of significant changes in the life. there are not only negative things in the planets or numbers .mother nature has provided lots and lots of solutions and remedies by default which are hard to be understood by the human brains but then also its our nature that we try for it .where as human wants to control mother nature which is impossible and can never be done.only thing is this that we have to change our drishti instead of changing shrishti.means we have to change our vision insted of changing mother nature.otherwise destruction is not far because from our child hood we r listening vinashkaalae vipreet budhi.so have faith in the almighty and let him do what he wants because he knows what is best for us rather everyone. please think again and again and come out with firm answer that these tv channels should stop harassing with the sentiments of public or keep continuing? please keep on adding your comments to it so that every intellectual should be aware of the ground facts. if i had written anything wrong ,hurted anybodys sentiments please forgive me,i couldnt stop myself from writing because this was an appeal from a person who is at a very respectable and honurable post and has proved his responsibility by sending such an e mail.thanks shatender ji and yograj ji too who called me up and asked to write for it. thanks regards MS KONDAL <span style= " font-weight:bold;color:rgb(128, 0, 0); " >M S KONDAL</span> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 11, 2008 Report Share Posted August 11, 2008 Dear members, Charan pranaam to all my seniors and hello to all of my colleagues, today i got mail from Dr. Shatendera k sharma who is working at a very respectable post in Jawahar Lal Nehru university at Delhi and holding a strategic position and he has asked all the members to raise a voice against all the so-called babas and astrologers who are appearing on the Tv everyday and making people panicky by telling their own originated or manifested stories regarding the destruction of the world and other untoward incidents across the world. These things do have an impact on general masses because these are being telecast by reputed Tv channels without of any responsibility that they are misguiding the masses.tv people are attracting people more and more in numbers to watch their tv channel by introducing various and different characters who are promoting themselves rather than to educate people of the true facts.all of us have seen that nothing bad had happened without the routine ones as such promoted by astrologers and numerologists that this is going to happen or that is going to happen,all of them say this could happen they dont say firmly and confidently that this will happen.and now no one is seen on the tv talking about it even the channels have stooped discussions on it. and nobody from the public has also raised this question to the media that what next they have to say. i dont say that astrology is not there ,i am also a true believer of astrology ,being an engineer i am also doing some research works on astrology its a proper science but it doesn't say that one should play with the lives of public.rather its a science which makes you aware of the happenings in advance and tells us to be prepared people were recently saying lot of things bad about 8-8-8 combination and saturns bad influence. but our scriptures say not a single planet is bad rather each and every planet helps us to refine our energies in that particular field represented by that particular planet.our bad fate is this that we start looking only the negative part of the planet instead of looking good out of it and trying to improvise our negative influences of that planet by inscribing our positive energies to get rid of the negativity.but this is not happening and we start cursing the planets.this is really bad because it only increases the negativity which ultimately engulfs us in its traps and finally we become the victim of our own negativity and come out as a failure and we blame the planet that because of this planet we r in trouble. this means we are inviting troubles ourselves and blaming it to planets .take an example of Saturn. Saturn is the planet of responsibility. Saturn imposes its burdens on an individual so that he understands the importance of his own needs. By meeting the responsibilities of Saturn, the individual gives form to his own self worth. Even though Saturn has been thought of as the planet of restrictions, it is actually a planet of great freedom. When one avoids the tasks and responsibilities that give meaning and purpose to one's existence, then there is no questions that the weight of Saturn is felt heavily. All that an individual should confront but tries to ignore starts to gather weight in his mind. When a more positive approach is taken in dealing with everyday obstacles which are only stepping stones towards one's evolution, the more one frees oneself from the weight of the past. Saturn is the planet of Karma and makes an individual's life, in many ways, the result of his past actions. In order to flow with the best energies of Saturn, an individual must be ready to truly confront himself. What he is building in the here and now must be a firm foundation beneath his feet. Saturn is the teacher, and holds within the greatest secrets of the universe if one has the willingness to learn. What one does each day is more important that what one dreams about doing in the future. The lesson of Saturn is not to look at what others do or even years later what one could have done oneself, but rather to effectively build structure to one's life, here, now, today! Saturn is the planet of discipline. It instructs a person to stay within his own purpose, regardless of how difficult it may at times appear to be. The ultimate that one can achieve through Saturn is the sense of meaning that comes from knowing how purposeful everything one does actually is. This planet which rules the conscience, is forever developing in the “Now†to give an individual the steady guidance he needs in order to know his own strength. Saturn can be ones benefactor, or one's burden of woe depending completely upon the way in which a person builds his structure. Saturn is the taskmaster. He who lives in “The Now†is always the master of the task! To fear Saturn is to fear knowing who we are, and what we are capable of accomplishing; to learn to work with its energies is to master the physical and material worlds, and ready ourselves for the challenges of the spiritual and the unseen. Saturn is a real teacher. Just keep going, even you feel its hard. The gifts will be worth it. I remember a teacher I had who was very strict and rigorous. Everyone despised him but he knew that the survivors would have the higher grades in the final exams which lead us to the university. And so it happened. Saturn Returns occurs about every 30 years or so, and unlike Jupiter Returns (which are usually fun) they are a very serious matter. The first Saturn return occurs at around the age of 30, a significant period in most lives. This is the first time you will feel the reap-what-you-sow side of Saturn, as you take stock of what you have achieved - or not - how your youthful dreams have been fulfilled - or not. It can be a time of serious navel gazing, and stock taking. Depending on the position and aspects of your natal Saturn, you may change direction altogether, or choose to consolidate on what you have already gained. Career, relationships and social connections can all come under the microscope. The second Saturn Return occurs at about age 60, and once again the focus is on taking a searching look at what life has dealt you, and what you have dealt yourself. This can be a time of really sobering reflection as you consider retirement and the years ahead. Can you afford to retire? Have you sufficient other interests to look forward to a life without work? Or are you considering another venture, something that uses your accumulated skills and wisdom? What goes around comes around, that is the real meaning of a Saturn Return. Saturn represents responsibility, self-discipline, obstacles and limitations. Saturn's influence can be restrictive, cold and severe and is usually noticeable in your life when you are faced with obstacles. How you deal with obstacles and limitations is represented by the characteristics of your Saturn sign. Saturn's position in your chart determines how well you accept responsibility, as well as which types of delays and opposition you can expect to encounter in life. The following planets are slow-moving, spending more than seven years in each sign. These planets have a generational influence as well as an individual influence. While the characteristics of your Uranus, Neptune, and Pluto signs are still expressed to some degree in your personality, their influence is not as strong as the above-mentioned planets. Returns of the planets, Uranus, Neptune and Pluto, do not have the significance of returns of the inner planets because they move extremely slowly. But as they move, they will aspect natal planets in transit and at these times can point to periods of significant changes in the life. there are not only negative things in the planets or numbers .mother nature has provided lots and lots of solutions and remedies by default which are hard to be understood by the human brains but then also its our nature that we try for it .where as human wants to control mother nature which is impossible and can never be done.only thing is this that we have to change our drishti instead of changing shrishti.means we have to change our vision insted of changing mother nature.otherwise destruction is not far because from our child hood we r listening vinashkaalae vipreet budhi.so have faith in the almighty and let him do what he wants because he knows what is best for us rather everyone. please think again and again and come out with firm answer that these tv channels should stop harassing with the sentiments of public or keep continuing? please keep on adding your comments to it so that every intellectual should be aware of the ground facts. if i had written anything wrong ,hurting anybody's sentiments please forgive me, i couldn't stop myself from writing because this was an appeal from a person who is at a very respectable and honorable post and has proved his responsibility by sending such an e mail.thanks Shatender ji and Yograj ji too who called me up and asked to write for it. thanks regards MS KONDAL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 12, 2008 Report Share Posted August 12, 2008 Dear Memebrs ,Charnavandana to all seniors There is nothing to add after Kondal Ji mentioned , he mentioned in very beautifull way . only due to this some tv channels andhvishvash is spreading unnessacrily in the people's mind and only these tv channels are the responsible for this . It is right saturn will not give negative results all the time , its all depend on indivual's self karma , that also with help of rahu and ketu and with the permission of jupitor . even for example if my saturn is in malefic house according to natal or varshphal , it will not start giving malefic results till i will not Kayyam the bad things of saturn and this for all planets not only for saturn . in this regard our group's motivation is only to aware people .If i wrote anything wrong pls forgive me .Pandit Bhupesh Shharma --- On Mon, 8/11/08, maneshwar singh kondal <mskondal wrote:maneshwar singh kondal <mskondal Fw: 8-8-8 saturn is a friend Date: Monday, August 11, 2008, 11:49 PM <span style="font- weight:bold; color:rgb( 128, 0, 0);">M S KONDAL</span> ----- Forwarded Message ---- maneshwar singh kondal <mskondal > shatendra_s@ .co. uk Monday, August 11, 2008 11:43:03 PM 8-8-8 saturn is a friend dear members, charan pranaam to all my seniors and hello to all of my colleagues,today i got mail from Mr shatendera k sharma who is working at avery respectable post injawaharlal nehru university at delhi and holding a strategic position and he has asked all the members to raise a voice against all the so called babas and astrologers who are appearing on the tv everyday and making people paniky by telling their own originated or manifested stories regarding the destruction of the world and other untoward incidents across the world.these things do have an impact on general masses because these are being telecasted by reputed tv channels without of any responsibility that they are misguiding the masses.tv people are attracting people more and more in numbers to watch their tv channel by introducing various and different characters who are promoting themselves rather than to educate people of the true facts.all of us have seen that nothing bad had happened without the routine ones as such promoted by astrologers and numerologists that this is going to happen or that is going to happen,all of them say this could happen they dont say firmly and confidently that this will happen.and now no one is seen on the tv talking about it even the channels have stoped discussions on it. and nobody from the public has also raised this question to the media that what next they have to say. i dont say that astrology is not there ,i am also a true believer of astrology ,being an engineer i am also doing some research works on astrology its a proper science but it doesnt say that one should play with the lives of public.rather its a science which makes you aware of the happenings in advance and tells us to be prepared people were recently saying lot of things bad about 8-8-8 combination and saturns bad influence. but our scriptures say not a single planet is bad rather each and every planet helps us to refine our energies in that particular field represented by that particular planet.our bad fate is this that we start looking only the negative part of the planet instead of looking good out of it and trying to improvise our negative influences of that planet by inscribing our positive energies to get rid of the negativity.but this is not happening and we start cursing the planets.this is really bad because it only increases the negativity which ultimately engulfs us in its traps and finally we become the victim of our own negativity and come out as a failure and we blame the planet that because of this planet we r in trouble. this means we are inviting troubles ourselves and blaming it to planets .take an example of saturn. Saturn is the planet of responsibility. Saturn imposes its burdens on an individual so that he understands the importance of his own needs. By meeting the responsibilities of Saturn, the individual gives form to his own self worth. Even though Saturn has been thought of as the planet of restrictions, it is actually a planet of great freedom. When one avoids the tasks and responsibilities that give meaning and purpose to one’s existence, then there is no questions that the weight of Saturn is felt heavily. All that an individual should confront but tries to ignore starts to gather weight in his mind. When a more positive approach is taken in dealing with everyday obstacles which are only stepping stones towards one’s evolution, the more one frees oneself from the weight of the past. Saturn is the planet of Karma and makes an individual’s life, in many ways, the result of his past actions. In order to flow with the best energies of Saturn, an individual must be ready to truly confront himself. What he is building in the here and now must be a firm foundation beneath his feet. Saturn is the teacher, and holds within the greatest secrets of the universe if one has the willingness to learn. What one does each day is more important that what one dreams about doing in the future. The lesson of Saturn is not to look at what others do or even years later what one could have done oneself, but rather to effectively build structure to one’s life, here, now, today! Saturn is the planet of discipline. It instructs a person to stay within his own purpose, regardless of how difficult it may at times appear to be. The ultimate that one can achieve through Saturn is the sense of meaning that comes from knowing how purposeful everything one does actually is. This planet which rules the conscience, is forever developing in the “Now” to give an individual the steady guidance he needs in order to know his own strength. Saturn can be ones benefactor, or one’s burden of woe depending completely upon the way in which a person builds his structure. Saturn is the taskmaster. He who lives in “The Now” is always the master of the task! To fear Saturn is to fear knowing who we are, and what we are capable of accomplishing; to learn to work with its energies is to master the physical and material worlds, and ready ourselves for the challenges of the spiritual and the unseen. Saturn is a real teacher. Just keep going, even you feel it’s hard. The gifts will be worth it. I remember a teacher I had who was very strict and rigorous. Everyone despised him but he knew that the survivors would have the higher grades in the final exams which lead us to the university. And so it happened. Saturn Returns occurs about every 30 years or so, and unlike Jupiter Returns (which are usually fun) they are a very serious matter. The first Saturn return occurs at around the age of 30, a significant period in most lives. This is the first time you will feel the reap-what-you- sow side of Saturn, as you take stock of what you have achieved - or not - how your youthful dreams have been fulfilled - or not. It can be a time of serious navel gazing, and stock taking. Depending on the position and aspects of your natal Saturn, you may change direction altogether, or choose to consolidate on what you have already gained. Career, relationships and social connections can all come under the microscope. The second Saturn Return occurs at about age 60, and once again the focus is on taking a searching look at what life has dealt you, and what you have dealt yourself. This can be a time of really sobering reflection as you consider retirement and the years ahead. Can you afford to retire? Have you sufficient other interests to look forward to a life without work? Or are you considering another venture, something that uses your accumulated skills and wisdom? What goes around comes around, that is the real meaning of a Saturn Return. Saturn represents responsibility, self-discipline, obstacles and limitations. Saturn's influence can be restrictive, cold and severe and is usually noticeable in your life when you are faced with obstacles. How you deal with obstacles and limitations is represented by the characteristics of your Saturn sign. Saturn's position in your chart determines how well you accept responsibility, as well as which types of delays and opposition you can expect to encounter in life. The following planets are slow-moving, spending more than seven years in each sign. These planets have a generational influence as well as an individual influence. While the characteristics of your Uranus, Neptune, and Pluto signs are still expressed to some degree in your personality, their influence is not as strong as the above-mentioned planets. Returns of the planets, Uranus, Neptune and Pluto, do not have the significance of returns of the inner planets because they move extremely slowly. But as they move, they will aspect natal planets in transit and at these times can point to periods of significant changes in the life. there are not only negative things in the planets or numbers .mother nature has provided lots and lots of solutions and remedies by default which are hard to be understood by the human brains but then also its our nature that we try for it .where as human wants to control mother nature which is impossible and can never be done.only thing is this that we have to change our drishti instead of changing shrishti.means we have to change our vision insted of changing mother nature.otherwise destruction is not far because from our child hood we r listening vinashkaalae vipreet budhi.so have faith in the almighty and let him do what he wants because he knows what is best for us rather everyone. please think again and again and come out with firm answer that these tv channels should stop harassing with the sentiments of public or keep continuing? please keep on adding your comments to it so that every intellectual should be aware of the ground facts. if i had written anything wrong ,hurted anybodys sentiments please forgive me,i couldnt stop myself from writing because this was an appeal from a person who is at a very respectable and honurable post and has proved his responsibility by sending such an e mail.thanks shatender ji and yograj ji too who called me up and asked to write for it. thanks regards MS KONDAL <span style="font- weight:bold; color:rgb( 128, 0, 0);">M S KONDAL</span> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 12, 2008 Report Share Posted August 12, 2008 Dear Kondal Ji I am overwhelmed by the pains you have taken to write the response to my concern. I am also a physicist by training and know that in physics even in case of most accepted theories and scientific phenomena if the results of theory match with experimental results by 60% or better the theory is not only accepted very well but also enjoys the status of a science. It is a really a very partial of our society to expect 100% accuracy of results form Astrology. I as a scientist have studies Space science and know that even small perturbations in space can change the wheather and cloud formation in atmosphere. The Gravitational effect of moon and nearby and heavy planets ( Venus, Mars, Jupiter and Saturn) makes a significant impact on earth related phenomena. When some heavy planets align in a line they tend to disturb the moltan matter in the core of earth and make some causes of earth quakes and other maganetic and gravitational disturbances. Science knows it but does not accept that our ancient astrologers could co-relate these. The media and astrologers both need to put facts before public in correct perspective to regain the faith of masses and save this knowledge from extinction. Thanks to all and a request to publicise it in the larger interests of all of us. Namskar and With Regards to Kondal Ji and Prabhakar ji Prof. Shatendra K Sharma Advanced Instrumentation Facility Jawaharlal Nehru University New Delhi-1100067 011-9810721748 --- On Tue, 12/8/08, maneshwar singh kondal <mskondal wrote: maneshwar singh kondal <mskondal Fw: 8-8-8 saturn is a friend Date: Tuesday, 12 August, 2008, 12:05 AM Dear members,Charan pranaam to all my seniors and hello to all of my colleagues, today i got mail from Dr. Shatendera k sharma who is working at a very respectable post in Jawahar Lal Nehru university at Delhi and holding a strategic position and he has asked all the members to raise a voice against all the so-called babas and astrologers who are appearing on the Tv everyday and making people panicky by telling their own originated or manifested stories regarding the destruction of the world and other untoward incidents across the world.These things do have an impact on general masses because these are being telecast by reputed Tv channels without of any responsibility that they are misguiding the masses.tv people are attracting people more and more in numbers to watch their tv channel by introducing various and different characters who are promoting themselves rather than to educate people of the true facts.all of us have seen that nothing bad had happened without the routine ones as such promoted by astrologers and numerologists that this is going to happen or that is going to happen,all of them say this could happen they dont say firmly and confidently that this will happen.and now no one is seen on the tv talking about it even the channels have stooped discussions on it. and nobody from the public has also raised this question to the media that what next they have to say.i dont say that astrology is not there ,i am also a true believer of astrology ,being an engineer i am also doing some research works on astrology its a proper science but it doesn't say that one should play with the lives of public.rather its a science which makes you aware of the happenings in advance and tells us to be prepared people were recently saying lot of things bad about 8-8-8 combination and saturns bad influence.but our scriptures say not a single planet is bad rather each and every planet helps us to refine our energies in that particular field represented by that particular planet.our bad fate is this that we start looking only the negative part of the planet instead of looking good out of it and trying to improvise our negative influences of that planet by inscribing our positive energies to get rid of the negativity.but this is not happening and we start cursing the planets.this is really bad because it only increases the negativity which ultimately engulfs us in its traps and finally we become the victim of our own negativity and come out as a failure and we blame the planet that because of this planet we r in trouble.this means we are inviting troubles ourselves and blaming it to planets .take an example of Saturn.Saturn is the planet of responsibility. Saturn imposes its burdens on an individual so that he understands the importance of his own needs. By meeting the responsibilities of Saturn, the individual gives form to his own self worth. Even though Saturn has been thought of as the planet of restrictions, it is actually a planet of great freedom. When one avoids the tasks and responsibilities that give meaning and purpose to one's existence, then there is no questions that the weight of Saturn is felt heavily. All that an individual should confront but tries to ignore starts to gather weight in his mind. When a more positive approach is taken in dealing with everyday obstacles which are only stepping stones towards one's evolution, the more one frees oneself from the weight of the past.Saturn is the planet of Karma and makes an individual's life, in many ways, the result of his past actions. In order to flow with the best energies of Saturn, an individual must be ready to truly confront himself. What he is building in the here and now must be a firm foundation beneath his feet.Saturn is the teacher, and holds within the greatest secrets of the universe if one has the willingness to learn. What one does each day is more important that what one dreams about doing in the future.The lesson of Saturn is not to look at what others do or even years later what one could have done oneself, but rather to effectively build structure to one's life, here, now, today! Saturn is the planet of discipline. It instructs a person to stay within his own purpose, regardless of how difficult it may at times appear to be.The ultimate that one can achieve through Saturn is the sense of meaning that comes from knowing how purposeful everything one does actually is. This planet which rules the conscience, is forever developing in the “Now†to give an individual the steady guidance he needs in order to know his own strength. Saturn can be ones benefactor, or one's burden of woe depending completely upon the way in which a person builds his structure. Saturn is the taskmaster. He who lives in “The Now†is always the master of the task! To fear Saturn is to fear knowing who we are, and what we are capable of accomplishing; to learn to work with its energies is to master the physical and material worlds, and ready ourselves for the challenges of the spiritual and the unseen. Saturn is a real teacher. Just keep going, even you feel its hard. The gifts will be worth it. I remember a teacher I had who was very strict and rigorous. Everyone despised him but he knew that the survivors would have the higher grades in the final exams which lead us to the university. And so it happened.Saturn Returns occurs about every 30 years or so, and unlike Jupiter Returns (which are usually fun) they are a very serious matter. The first Saturn return occurs at around the age of 30, a significant period in most lives. This is the first time you will feel the reap-what-you- sow side of Saturn, as you take stock of what you have achieved - or not - how your youthful dreams have been fulfilled - or not. It can be a time of serious navel gazing, and stock taking. Depending on the position and aspects of your natal Saturn, you may change direction altogether, or choose to consolidate on what you have already gained. Career, relationships and social connections can all come under the microscope.The second Saturn Return occurs at about age 60, and once again the focus is on taking a searching look at what life has dealt you, and what you have dealt yourself. This can be a time of really sobering reflection as you consider retirement and the years ahead. Can you afford to retire? Have you sufficient other interests to look forward to a life without work? Or are you considering another venture, something that uses your accumulated skills and wisdom? What goes around comes around, that is the real meaning of a Saturn Return.Saturn represents responsibility, self-discipline, obstacles and limitations. Saturn's influence can be restrictive, cold and severe and is usually noticeable in your life when you are faced with obstacles. How you deal with obstacles and limitations is represented by the characteristics of your Saturn sign. Saturn's position in your chart determines how well you accept responsibility, as well as which types of delays and opposition you can expect to encounter in life.The following planets are slow-moving, spending more than seven years in each sign. These planets have a generational influence as well as an individual influence. While the characteristics of your Uranus, Neptune, and Pluto signs are still expressed to some degree in your personality, their influence is not as strong as the above-mentioned planets.Returns of the planets, Uranus, Neptune and Pluto, do not have the significance of returns of the inner planets because they move extremely slowly. But as they move, they will aspect natal planets in transit and at these times can point to periods of significant changes in the life.there are not only negative things in the planets or numbers .mother nature has provided lots and lots of solutions and remedies by default which are hard to be understood by the human brains but then also its our nature that we try for it .where as human wants to control mother nature which is impossible and can never be done.only thing is this that we have to change our drishti instead of changing shrishti.means we have to change our vision insted of changing mother nature.otherwise destruction is not far because from our child hood we r listening vinashkaalae vipreet budhi.so have faith in the almighty and let him do what he wants because he knows what is best for us rather everyone.please think again and again and come out with firm answer that these tv channels should stop harassing with the sentiments of public or keep continuing?please keep on adding your comments to it so that every intellectual should be aware of the ground facts.if i had written anything wrong ,hurting anybody's sentiments please forgive me, i couldn't stop myself from writing because this was an appeal from a person who is at a very respectable and honorable post and has proved his responsibility by sending such an e mail.thanks Shatender ji and Yograj ji too who called me up and asked to write for it.thanksregardsMS KONDAL Download prohibited? 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Guest guest Posted August 13, 2008 Report Share Posted August 13, 2008 Respected Kondal Sahib, Pranam, It is now becoming a chronic problem of the society. Media is now promoting these type of sensational theories. This practice is to create sensational news and to increase channel TRP. This is a one side of coin. Recently I saw a program discussing the genuineness of Kala Sarpa Yoga. In which Mr. KN Rao has openly critcised the band of astrologers who created hype of Kala Sarpa yoga to loot the innocent people. With the increasing participation of intellectuals in studying astrology,these black sheep will soon be put under control. Regarding 8-8-8 , I checked the panchang and rather it was 8-8-8-8. it is Ashtami, 8th tithi, 8th date, 8th month and 8th year of this century. As usual, a hype is created to wait for some big disaster. Nothing happens. These so called astrology Gurus fell flat. People came to know their Tikdam Baazi. Truth will burry lie in due course. Or we can say lie will die its own death. The point raised by Respected Shaitendra Ji,is the necessity of the time. We in the group must try to dispell these myths. We are grateful to you for sparing your precious time to explain the prperties of planets, particularly Saturn. I know that your typing speed is very slow and writing this much text is the job of hours. Keep on enlightening us with your guidance Best Regards Nirmal Kumar Bhardwaj , maneshwar singh kondal <mskondal wrote: > > > > <span style= " font-weight:bold;color:rgb(128, 0, 0); " >M S KONDAL</ span> > > > > ----- Forwarded Message ---- > maneshwar singh kondal <mskondal > shatendra_s > Monday, August 11, 2008 11:43:03 PM > 8-8-8 saturn is a friend > > dear members, > charan pranaam to all my seniors and hello to all of my colleagues,today i got mail from Mr shatendera k sharma who is working at avery respectable post injawaharlal nehru university at delhi and holding a strategic position and he has asked all the members to raise a voice against all the so called babas and astrologers who are appearing on the tv everyday and making people paniky by telling their own originated or manifested stories regarding the destruction of the world and other untoward incidents across the world.these things do have an impact on general masses because these are being telecasted by reputed tv channels without of any responsibility that they are misguiding the masses.tv people are attracting people more and more in numbers to watch their tv channel by introducing various and different characters who are promoting themselves rather than to educate people of the true facts.all of us have seen that nothing > bad had happened without the routine ones as such promoted by astrologers and numerologists that this is going to happen or that is going to happen,all of them say this could happen they dont say firmly and confidently that this will happen.and now no one is seen on the tv talking about it even the channels have stoped discussions on it. and nobody from the public has also raised this question to the media that what next they have to say. > > i dont say that astrology is not there ,i am also a true believer of astrology ,being an engineer i am also doing some research works on astrology its a proper science but it doesnt say that one should play with the lives of public.rather its a science which makes you aware of the happenings in advance and tells us to be prepared people were recently saying lot of things bad about 8-8-8 combination and saturns bad influence. > > but our scriptures say not a single planet is bad rather each and every planet helps us to refine our energies in that particular field represented by that particular planet.our bad fate is this that we start looking only the negative part of the planet instead of looking good out of it and trying to improvise our negative influences of that planet by inscribing our positive energies to get rid of the negativity.but this is not happening and we start cursing the planets.this is really bad because it only increases the negativity which ultimately engulfs us in its traps and finally we become the victim of our own negativity and come out as a failure and we blame the planet that because of this planet we r in trouble. > > this means we are inviting troubles ourselves and blaming it to planets .take an example of saturn. > > Saturn is the planet of responsibility. Saturn imposes its burdens on an individual so that he understands the importance of his own needs. By meeting the responsibilities of Saturn, the individual gives form to his own self worth. Even though Saturn has been thought of as the planet of restrictions, it is actually a planet of great freedom. When one avoids the tasks and responsibilities that give meaning and purpose to one’s existence, then there is no questions that the weight of Saturn is felt heavily. All that an individual should confront but tries to ignore starts to gather weight in his mind. When a more positive approach is taken in dealing with everyday obstacles which are only stepping stones towards one’s evolution, the more one frees oneself from the weight of the past. > > Saturn is the planet of Karma and makes an individual’s life, in many ways, the result of his past actions. In order to flow with the best energies of Saturn, an individual must be ready to truly confront himself. What he is building in the here and now must be a firm foundation beneath his feet. > > Saturn is the teacher, and holds within the greatest secrets of the universe if one has the willingness to learn. What one does each day is more important that what one dreams about doing in the future. > > The lesson of Saturn is not to look at what others do or even years later what one could have done oneself, but rather to effectively build structure to one’s life, here, now, today! Saturn is the planet of discipline. It instructs a person to stay within his own purpose, regardless of how difficult it may at times appear to be. > > The ultimate that one can achieve through Saturn is the sense of meaning that comes from knowing how purposeful everything one does actually is. This planet which rules the conscience, is forever developing in the “Now†to give an individual the steady guidance he needs in order to know his own strength. Saturn can be ones benefactor, or one’s burden of woe depending completely upon the way in which a person builds his structure. Saturn is the taskmaster. He who lives in “The Now†is always the master of the task! > > > To fear Saturn is to fear knowing who we are, and what we are capable of accomplishing; to learn to work with its energies is to master the physical and material worlds, and ready ourselves for the challenges of the spiritual and the unseen. > > Saturn is a real teacher. Just keep going, even you feel it’s hard. The gifts will be worth it. I remember a teacher I had who was very strict and rigorous. Everyone despised him but he knew that the survivors would have the higher grades in the final exams which lead us to the university. And so it happened. > > > Saturn Returns occurs about every 30 years or so, and unlike Jupiter Returns (which are usually fun) they are a very serious matter. > > The first Saturn return occurs at around the age of 30, a significant period in most lives. This is the first time you will feel the reap-what-you-sow side of Saturn, as you take stock of what you have achieved - or not - how your youthful dreams have been fulfilled - or not. It can be a time of serious navel gazing, and stock taking. Depending on the position and aspects of your natal Saturn, you may change direction altogether, or choose to consolidate on what you have already gained. Career, relationships and social connections can all come under the microscope. > > The second Saturn Return occurs at about age 60, and once again the focus is on taking a searching look at what life has dealt you, and what you have dealt yourself. This can be a time of really sobering reflection as you consider retirement and the years ahead. Can you afford to retire? Have you sufficient other interests to look forward to a life without work? Or are you considering another venture, something that uses your accumulated skills and wisdom? What goes around comes around, that is the real meaning of a Saturn Return. > > Saturn represents responsibility, self-discipline, obstacles and limitations. Saturn's influence can be restrictive, cold and severe and is usually noticeable in your life when you are faced with obstacles. How you deal with obstacles and limitations is represented by the characteristics of your Saturn sign. Saturn's position in your chart determines how well you accept responsibility, as well as which types of delays and opposition you can expect to encounter in life. > > The following planets are slow-moving, spending more than seven years in each sign. These planets have a generational influence as well as an individual influence. While the characteristics of your Uranus, Neptune, and Pluto signs are still expressed to some degree in your personality, their influence is not as strong as the above- mentioned planets. > > Returns of the planets, Uranus, Neptune and Pluto, do not have the significance of returns of the inner planets because they move extremely slowly. But as they move, they will aspect natal planets in transit and at these times can point to periods of significant changes in the life. > > > > there are not only negative things in the planets or numbers .mother nature has provided lots and lots of solutions and remedies by default which are hard to be understood by the human brains but then also its our nature that we try for it .where as human wants to control mother nature which is impossible and can never be done.only thing is this that we have to change our drishti instead of changing shrishti.means we have to change our vision insted of changing mother nature.otherwise destruction is not far because from our child hood we r listening vinashkaalae vipreet budhi.so have faith in the almighty and let him do what he wants because he knows what is best for us rather everyone. > > > please think again and again and come out with firm answer that these tv channels should stop harassing with the sentiments of public or keep continuing? > > please keep on adding your comments to it so that every intellectual should be aware of the ground facts. > > if i had written anything wrong ,hurted anybodys sentiments please forgive me,i couldnt stop myself from writing because this was an appeal from a person who is at a very respectable and honurable post and has proved his responsibility by sending such an e mail.thanks shatender ji and yograj ji too who called me up and asked to write for it. > > thanks > > regards > > MS KONDAL > <span style= " font-weight:bold;color:rgb(128, 0, 0); " >M S KONDAL</ span> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 13, 2008 Report Share Posted August 13, 2008 DATED: 14.8.2008respected nirmal ji, pranaam, it nice to hear from you.how r u hope fine and busy with your job.read your reply thanks for reading and reciprocating.its really the need of the hour to highlight such things otherwise people will be making fool of masses and our public is such that it can do anything in the name of religion.these are the words said by swami vivekanand ji.so only awareness with reasoning is required.thanks once again regardsMS KONDAL <span style="font-weight:bold;color:rgb(128, 0, 0);">M S KONDAL</span>Nirmal Kumar Bhardwaj <nirbhar Sent: Wednesday, August 13, 2008 8:54:10 PM Re: Fw: 8-8-8 saturn is a friendRespected Kondal Sahib, Pranam, It is now becoming a chronic problem of the society. Media is now promoting these type of sensational theories. This practice is to create sensational news and to increase channel TRP. This is a one side of coin. Recently I saw a program discussing the genuineness of Kala Sarpa Yoga. In which Mr. KN Rao has openly critcised the band of astrologers who created hype of Kala Sarpa yoga to loot the innocent people. With the increasing participation of intellectuals in studying astrology,these black sheep will soon be put under control. Regarding 8-8-8 , I checked the panchang and rather it was 8-8-8-8. it is Ashtami, 8th tithi, 8th date, 8th month and 8th year of this century. As usual, a hype is created to wait for some big disaster. Nothing happens. These so called astrology Gurus fell flat. People came to know their Tikdam Baazi. Truth will burry lie in due course. Or we can say lie will die its own death. The point raised by Respected Shaitendra Ji,is the necessity of the time. We in the group must try to dispell these myths. We are grateful to you for sparing your precious time to explain the prperties of planets, particularly Saturn. I know that your typing speed is very slow and writing this much text is the job of hours. Keep on enlightening us with your guidance Best Regards Nirmal Kumar Bhardwaj , maneshwar singh kondal <mskondal@.. .> wrote: > > > > <span style="font- weight:bold; color:rgb( 128, 0, 0);">M S KONDAL</ span> > > > > ----- Forwarded Message ---- > maneshwar singh kondal <mskondal@.. .> > shatendra_s@ ... > Monday, August 11, 2008 11:43:03 PM > 8-8-8 saturn is a friend > > dear members, > charan pranaam to all my seniors and hello to all of my colleagues,today i got mail from Mr shatendera k sharma who is working at avery respectable post injawaharlal nehru university at delhi and holding a strategic position and he has asked all the members to raise a voice against all the so called babas and astrologers who are appearing on the tv everyday and making people paniky by telling their own originated or manifested stories regarding the destruction of the world and other untoward incidents across the world.these things do have an impact on general masses because these are being telecasted by reputed tv channels without of any responsibility that they are misguiding the masses.tv people are attracting people more and more in numbers to watch their tv channel by introducing various and different characters who are promoting themselves rather than to educate people of the true facts.all of us have seen that nothing > bad had happened without the routine ones as such promoted by astrologers and numerologists that this is going to happen or that is going to happen,all of them say this could happen they dont say firmly and confidently that this will happen.and now no one is seen on the tv talking about it even the channels have stoped discussions on it. and nobody from the public has also raised this question to the media that what next they have to say. > > i dont say that astrology is not there ,i am also a true believer of astrology ,being an engineer i am also doing some research works on astrology its a proper science but it doesnt say that one should play with the lives of public.rather its a science which makes you aware of the happenings in advance and tells us to be prepared people were recently saying lot of things bad about 8-8-8 combination and saturns bad influence. > > but our scriptures say not a single planet is bad rather each and every planet helps us to refine our energies in that particular field represented by that particular planet.our bad fate is this that we start looking only the negative part of the planet instead of looking good out of it and trying to improvise our negative influences of that planet by inscribing our positive energies to get rid of the negativity.but this is not happening and we start cursing the planets.this is really bad because it only increases the negativity which ultimately engulfs us in its traps and finally we become the victim of our own negativity and come out as a failure and we blame the planet that because of this planet we r in trouble. > > this means we are inviting troubles ourselves and blaming it to planets .take an example of saturn. > > Saturn is the planet of responsibility. Saturn imposes its burdens on an individual so that he understands the importance of his own needs. By meeting the responsibilities of Saturn, the individual gives form to his own self worth. Even though Saturn has been thought of as the planet of restrictions, it is actually a planet of great freedom. When one avoids the tasks and responsibilities that give meaning and purpose to one’s existence, then there is no questions that the weight of Saturn is felt heavily. All that an individual should confront but tries to ignore starts to gather weight in his mind. When a more positive approach is taken in dealing with everyday obstacles which are only stepping stones towards one’s evolution, the more one frees oneself from the weight of the past. > > Saturn is the planet of Karma and makes an individual’s life, in many ways, the result of his past actions. In order to flow with the best energies of Saturn, an individual must be ready to truly confront himself. What he is building in the here and now must be a firm foundation beneath his feet. > > Saturn is the teacher, and holds within the greatest secrets of the universe if one has the willingness to learn. What one does each day is more important that what one dreams about doing in the future. > > The lesson of Saturn is not to look at what others do or even years later what one could have done oneself, but rather to effectively build structure to one’s life, here, now, today! Saturn is the planet of discipline. It instructs a person to stay within his own purpose, regardless of how difficult it may at times appear to be. > > The ultimate that one can achieve through Saturn is the sense of meaning that comes from knowing how purposeful everything one does actually is. This planet which rules the conscience, is forever developing in the “Now” to give an individual the steady guidance he needs in order to know his own strength. Saturn can be ones benefactor, or one’s burden of woe depending completely upon the way in which a person builds his structure. Saturn is the taskmaster. He who lives in “The Now” is always the master of the task! > > > To fear Saturn is to fear knowing who we are, and what we are capable of accomplishing; to learn to work with its energies is to master the physical and material worlds, and ready ourselves for the challenges of the spiritual and the unseen. > > Saturn is a real teacher. Just keep going, even you feel it’s hard. The gifts will be worth it. I remember a teacher I had who was very strict and rigorous. Everyone despised him but he knew that the survivors would have the higher grades in the final exams which lead us to the university. And so it happened. > > > Saturn Returns occurs about every 30 years or so, and unlike Jupiter Returns (which are usually fun) they are a very serious matter. > > The first Saturn return occurs at around the age of 30, a significant period in most lives. This is the first time you will feel the reap-what-you- sow side of Saturn, as you take stock of what you have achieved - or not - how your youthful dreams have been fulfilled - or not. It can be a time of serious navel gazing, and stock taking. Depending on the position and aspects of your natal Saturn, you may change direction altogether, or choose to consolidate on what you have already gained. Career, relationships and social connections can all come under the microscope. > > The second Saturn Return occurs at about age 60, and once again the focus is on taking a searching look at what life has dealt you, and what you have dealt yourself. This can be a time of really sobering reflection as you consider retirement and the years ahead. Can you afford to retire? Have you sufficient other interests to look forward to a life without work? Or are you considering another venture, something that uses your accumulated skills and wisdom? What goes around comes around, that is the real meaning of a Saturn Return. > > Saturn represents responsibility, self-discipline, obstacles and limitations. Saturn's influence can be restrictive, cold and severe and is usually noticeable in your life when you are faced with obstacles. How you deal with obstacles and limitations is represented by the characteristics of your Saturn sign. Saturn's position in your chart determines how well you accept responsibility, as well as which types of delays and opposition you can expect to encounter in life. > > The following planets are slow-moving, spending more than seven years in each sign. These planets have a generational influence as well as an individual influence. While the characteristics of your Uranus, Neptune, and Pluto signs are still expressed to some degree in your personality, their influence is not as strong as the above- mentioned planets. > > Returns of the planets, Uranus, Neptune and Pluto, do not have the significance of returns of the inner planets because they move extremely slowly. But as they move, they will aspect natal planets in transit and at these times can point to periods of significant changes in the life. > > > > there are not only negative things in the planets or numbers .mother nature has provided lots and lots of solutions and remedies by default which are hard to be understood by the human brains but then also its our nature that we try for it .where as human wants to control mother nature which is impossible and can never be done.only thing is this that we have to change our drishti instead of changing shrishti.means we have to change our vision insted of changing mother nature.otherwise destruction is not far because from our child hood we r listening vinashkaalae vipreet budhi.so have faith in the almighty and let him do what he wants because he knows what is best for us rather everyone. > > > please think again and again and come out with firm answer that these tv channels should stop harassing with the sentiments of public or keep continuing? > > please keep on adding your comments to it so that every intellectual should be aware of the ground facts. > > if i had written anything wrong ,hurted anybodys sentiments please forgive me,i couldnt stop myself from writing because this was an appeal from a person who is at a very respectable and honurable post and has proved his responsibility by sending such an e mail.thanks shatender ji and yograj ji too who called me up and asked to write for it. > > thanks > > regards > > MS KONDAL > <span style="font- weight:bold; color:rgb( 128, 0, 0);">M S KONDAL</ span> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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