Directions and lalkitab- Ambiguity in lalkitab System

[Guest guest]

Respected Prabhakar Ji, Bhatia Ji, Nirmal Ji , kulbir ji Thakur Ji, Khattar Ji, Kondal Ji , Shukla Ji and all senior members,This group is claimed to be doing research oriented studies lalkitab with the backing of so many others including all of above. Another group doing discussion in Lalkitab ' Namely " lalkitab Discussion group " has found an ambiguity in lalkitab and claimed that the general directions are different other than makan Kundli. Their invention seems to be genuine.This is a path breaking

research. Hence Your reccomendation are necessary in this regard as you are the senior most members of this system -- Dr. Shiv Dev Kalsi,Jyotish Rishi (AIFAS)Consultant (Vedic Astrology)

[Guest guest]

kalsi ji; this opinion or research cannot be recommended in hurry. at least i will have to check the whole book. commenting upon ambiguity in lalkitab is a serious matter and needs a thourough analysis before commenting.

i need some time. we have not yet decoded the basis of varshphal. don't we admit it as it is because we don't have any logic. do we have any logic as to on what basis and logics pt ji assigned directions in a makkan kundli. don't we acept it as such. why do we accept house no. 1 as lagna? because it is written as such in the book.

we accept darvesh as karkattwa of ketu. why?

we accept house no 8 aspects 2 but 2 doesn't aspect 8 why?

only sun and moon in house no 9 aspect house no 5.

budh in 11 inauspicious till 34 years does shashtri jyotish takes it so, then why do we?

ambiguity is a very serious word and puts the whole system/book under suspicion.

2+2 are not always 4 in this system because it has a philosphy of it own.

but i further ur request by adding that silence will amount to acceptance. therefore senior members should object expressly or their silence will be interpretted as acceptance.

lalkitab is above all personal liasions or differences. hence one should give his opinion openly and freely.

i shall definitely send in mine once i go through the book and consult my gurus of lalkitab.

kulbirbance

On 3/26/08, Shivdev Kalsi <shivdev.kalsi wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

Respected Prabhakar Ji, Bhatia Ji, Nirmal Ji , kulbir ji Thakur Ji, Khattar Ji, Kondal Ji , Shukla Ji and all senior members,This group is claimed to be doing research oriented studies lalkitab with the backing of so many others including all of above. Another group doing discussion in Lalkitab ' Namely " lalkitab Discussion group " has found an ambiguity in lalkitab and claimed that the general directions are different other than makan Kundli. Their invention seems to be genuine.This is a path breaking

research. Hence Your reccomendation are necessary in this regard as you are the senior most members of this system -- Dr. Shiv Dev Kalsi,Jyotish Rishi (AIFAS)Consultant (Vedic Astrology)

[Guest guest]

Dear Kalsi Ji,I dont think any one of the addressees thinks that he is fully mastered the Lalkitab. It is a great Book. It is not written by an ordinary person. I ensure you that each and every point regarding the lalkitab shall discussed in detail.

Please Give your point of view where do you feel that there is ambiguity in lalkitab. How do you feel that directions are not defined in lalkitab. Please try tbe elaborative in the issue.RegardsNirmal Kumar Bhardwaj

On 3/27/08, kulbir bance <kulbirbance wrote:

 

kalsi ji; this opinion or research cannot be recommended in hurry. at least i will have to check the whole book. commenting upon ambiguity in lalkitab is a serious matter and needs a thourough analysis before commenting.

i need some time. we have not yet decoded the basis of varshphal. don't we admit it as it is because we don't have any logic. do we have any logic as to on what basis and logics pt ji assigned directions in a makkan kundli. don't we acept it as such. why do we accept house no. 1 as lagna? because it is written as such in the book.

we accept darvesh as karkattwa of ketu. why?we accept house no 8 aspects 2 but 2 doesn't aspect 8 why?only sun and moon in house no 9 aspect house no 5.budh in 11 inauspicious till 34 years does shashtri jyotish takes it so, then why do we?

ambiguity is a very serious word and puts the whole system/book under suspicion.2+2 are not always 4 in this system because it has a philosphy of it own. but i further ur request by adding that silence will amount to acceptance. therefore senior members should object expressly or their silence will be interpretted as acceptance.

lalkitab is above all personal liasions or differences. hence one should give his opinion openly and freely.i shall definitely send in mine once i go through the book and consult my gurus of lalkitab.

kulbirbance On 3/26/08, Shivdev Kalsi <shivdev.kalsi wrote:

Respected Prabhakar Ji, Bhatia Ji, Nirmal Ji , kulbir ji Thakur Ji, Khattar Ji, Kondal Ji , Shukla Ji and all senior members,This group is claimed to be doing research oriented studies lalkitab with the backing of so many others including all of above. Another group doing discussion in Lalkitab ' Namely " lalkitab Discussion group " has found an ambiguity in lalkitab and claimed that the general directions are different other than makan Kundli. Their invention seems to be genuine.This is a path breaking

research. Hence Your reccomendation are necessary in this regard as you are the senior most members of this system -- Dr. Shiv Dev Kalsi,Jyotish Rishi (AIFAS)Consultant (Vedic Astrology)

[Guest guest]

Dear Nirmal Ji,It is a universal truth that every being on the earth is having a direction. No objects exists without direction. In Kitab One direction is not given to any khana while khana 9 is not given any direction.

Is it not an ambiguity.RegardsShiv Dev KalsiOn 3/27/08, Nirmal Kumar Bhardwaj <nirbhar wrote:

 

Dear Kalsi Ji,I dont think any one of the addressees thinks that he is fully mastered the Lalkitab. It is a great Book. It is not written by an ordinary person. I ensure you that each and every point regarding the lalkitab shall discussed in detail.

Please Give your point of view where do you feel that there is ambiguity in lalkitab. How do you feel that directions are not defined in lalkitab. Please try tbe elaborative in the issue.RegardsNirmal Kumar Bhardwaj

On 3/27/08, kulbir bance <kulbirbance wrote:

kalsi ji; this opinion or research cannot be recommended in hurry. at least i will have to check the whole book. commenting upon ambiguity in lalkitab is a serious matter and needs a thourough analysis before commenting.

i need some time. we have not yet decoded the basis of varshphal. don't we admit it as it is because we don't have any logic. do we have any logic as to on what basis and logics pt ji assigned directions in a makkan kundli. don't we acept it as such. why do we accept house no. 1 as lagna? because it is written as such in the book.

we accept darvesh as karkattwa of ketu. why?we accept house no 8 aspects 2 but 2 doesn't aspect 8 why?only sun and moon in house no 9 aspect house no 5.budh in 11 inauspicious till 34 years does shashtri jyotish takes it so, then why do we?

ambiguity is a very serious word and puts the whole system/book under suspicion.2+2 are not always 4 in this system because it has a philosphy of it own. but i further ur request by adding that silence will amount to acceptance. therefore senior members should object expressly or their silence will be interpretted as acceptance.

lalkitab is above all personal liasions or differences. hence one should give his opinion openly and freely.i shall definitely send in mine once i go through the book and consult my gurus of lalkitab.

kulbirbance On 3/26/08, Shivdev Kalsi <shivdev.kalsi wrote:

Respected Prabhakar Ji, Bhatia Ji, Nirmal Ji , kulbir ji Thakur Ji, Khattar Ji, Kondal Ji , Shukla Ji and all senior members,This group is claimed to be doing research oriented studies lalkitab with the backing of so many others including all of above. Another group doing discussion in Lalkitab ' Namely " lalkitab Discussion group " has found an ambiguity in lalkitab and claimed that the general directions are different other than makan Kundli. Their invention seems to be genuine.This is a path breaking

research. Hence Your reccomendation are necessary in this regard as you are the senior most members of this system -- Dr. Shiv Dev Kalsi,Jyotish Rishi (AIFAS)Consultant (Vedic Astrology)

 

-- Dr. Shiv Dev Kalsi,Jyotish Rishi (AIFAS)Consultant (Vedic Astrology)

[Guest guest]

Bhai Kalsi Sahib,Kis chakkar mein pad gaye ho. Lalkitab Padhtey jao sab kuchh saaf hota jayega. Aisi cheezein aapka dhyaan pedhney se door hataayengi, jo nuqsaandeh hai. Jab aap paanchon kitabein ek bar padh logey to sabh giley shikivey door ho jaayenge. Yo sabhi jo ultay fultay swaal khadey ho rahey hain sabhi kaa jawaab kitaab de degi. baaqi aapki marzi hai, iss chakker mein jitna padogey ulajhatey jaaogey.

aapka Iqbal Chand ThakurOn 3/30/08, Shivdev Kalsi <shivdev.kalsi wrote:

 

Dear Nirmal Ji,It is a universal truth that every being on the earth is having a direction. No objects exists without direction. In Kitab One direction is not given to any khana while khana 9 is not given any direction.

Is it not an ambiguity.RegardsShiv Dev KalsiOn 3/27/08, Nirmal Kumar Bhardwaj <nirbhar wrote:

Dear Kalsi Ji,I dont think any one of the addressees thinks that he is fully mastered the Lalkitab. It is a great Book. It is not written by an ordinary person.

I ensure you that each and every point regarding the lalkitab shall discussed in detail. Please Give your point of view where do you feel that there is ambiguity in lalkitab. How do you feel that directions are not defined in lalkitab.

Please try tbe elaborative in the issue.RegardsNirmal Kumar BhardwajOn 3/27/08, kulbir bance <kulbirbance wrote:

kalsi ji; this opinion or research cannot be recommended in hurry. at least i will have to check the whole book. commenting upon ambiguity in lalkitab is a serious matter and needs a thourough analysis before commenting.

i need some time. we have not yet decoded the basis of varshphal. don't we admit it as it is because we don't have any logic. do we have any logic as to on what basis and logics pt ji assigned directions in a makkan kundli. don't we acept it as such. why do we accept house no. 1 as lagna? because it is written as such in the book.

we accept darvesh as karkattwa of ketu. why?we accept house no 8 aspects 2 but 2 doesn't aspect 8 why?only sun and moon in house no 9 aspect house no 5.budh in 11 inauspicious till 34 years does shashtri jyotish takes it so, then why do we?

ambiguity is a very serious word and puts the whole system/book under suspicion.2+2 are not always 4 in this system because it has a philosphy of it own. but i further ur request by adding that silence will amount to acceptance. therefore senior members should object expressly or their silence will be interpretted as acceptance.

lalkitab is above all personal liasions or differences. hence one should give his opinion openly and freely.i shall definitely send in mine once i go through the book and consult my gurus of lalkitab.

kulbirbance On 3/26/08, Shivdev Kalsi <shivdev.kalsi wrote:

Respected Prabhakar Ji, Bhatia Ji, Nirmal Ji , kulbir ji Thakur Ji, Khattar Ji, Kondal Ji , Shukla Ji and all senior members,This group is claimed to be doing research oriented studies lalkitab with the backing of so many others including all of above. Another group doing discussion in Lalkitab ' Namely " lalkitab Discussion group " has found an ambiguity in lalkitab and claimed that the general directions are different other than makan Kundli. Their invention seems to be genuine.This is a path breaking

research. Hence Your reccomendation are necessary in this regard as you are the senior most members of this system -- Dr. Shiv Dev Kalsi,Jyotish Rishi (AIFAS)Consultant (Vedic Astrology)

-- Dr. Shiv Dev Kalsi,Jyotish Rishi (AIFAS)Consultant (Vedic Astrology)

[Guest guest]

kalsi ji; rahter than ambigutity; it seems lalkitab talks about multiple dimensions and their corelation with directions on a plane.

kulbirbance

On 3/29/08, Shivdev Kalsi <shivdev.kalsi wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Nirmal Ji,It is a universal truth that every being on the earth is having a direction. No objects exists without direction. In Kitab One direction is not given to any khana while khana 9 is not given any direction.

Is it not an ambiguity.RegardsShiv Dev Kalsi

On 3/27/08, Nirmal Kumar Bhardwaj <nirbhar wrote:

 

 

 

 

Dear Kalsi Ji,I dont think any one of the addressees thinks that he is fully mastered the Lalkitab. It is a great Book. It is not written by an ordinary person. I ensure you that each and every point regarding the lalkitab shall discussed in detail.

Please Give your point of view where do you feel that there is ambiguity in lalkitab. How do you feel that directions are not defined in lalkitab. Please try tbe elaborative in the issue.RegardsNirmal Kumar Bhardwaj

 

On 3/27/08, kulbir bance <kulbirbance wrote:

 

 

 

 

kalsi ji; this opinion or research cannot be recommended in hurry. at least i will have to check the whole book. commenting upon ambiguity in lalkitab is a serious matter and needs a thourough analysis before commenting.

i need some time. we have not yet decoded the basis of varshphal. don't we admit it as it is because we don't have any logic. do we have any logic as to on what basis and logics pt ji assigned directions in a makkan kundli. don't we acept it as such. why do we accept house no. 1 as lagna? because it is written as such in the book.

we accept darvesh as karkattwa of ketu. why?

we accept house no 8 aspects 2 but 2 doesn't aspect 8 why?

only sun and moon in house no 9 aspect house no 5.

budh in 11 inauspicious till 34 years does shashtri jyotish takes it so, then why do we?

ambiguity is a very serious word and puts the whole system/book under suspicion.

2+2 are not always 4 in this system because it has a philosphy of it own.

but i further ur request by adding that silence will amount to acceptance. therefore senior members should object expressly or their silence will be interpretted as acceptance.

lalkitab is above all personal liasions or differences. hence one should give his opinion openly and freely.

i shall definitely send in mine once i go through the book and consult my gurus of lalkitab.

kulbirbance

On 3/26/08, Shivdev Kalsi <shivdev.kalsi wrote:

 

 

 

 

Respected Prabhakar Ji, Bhatia Ji, Nirmal Ji , kulbir ji Thakur Ji, Khattar Ji, Kondal Ji , Shukla Ji and all senior members,This group is claimed to be doing research oriented studies lalkitab with the backing of so many others including all of above. Another group doing discussion in Lalkitab ' Namely " lalkitab Discussion group " has found an ambiguity in lalkitab and claimed that the general directions are different other than makan Kundli. Their invention seems to be genuine.This is a path breaking

research. Hence Your reccomendation are necessary in this regard as you are the senior most members of this system -- Dr. Shiv Dev Kalsi,Jyotish Rishi (AIFAS)Consultant (Vedic Astrology)

-- Dr. Shiv Dev Kalsi,

Jyotish Rishi (AIFAS)Consultant (Vedic Astrology)

[Guest guest]

Dear Kalsi Ji,A doubt is created in your mind. These type of doubts hamper the further study of the subject. Let us do an exercise. Any one can do it. Stand anywhere in your house,city,place as per your convenience.

make a list of objects exist North DirectionSouthEastWestNENWSESW & any more detailed direction one can assume.It may look as a kiddish exercise, Let us do it as it may lead to some solution.

RegardsOn 3/30/08, Shivdev Kalsi <shivdev.kalsi wrote:

 

Dear Nirmal Ji,It is a universal truth that every being on the earth is having a direction. No objects exists without direction. In Kitab One direction is not given to any khana while khana 9 is not given any direction.

Is it not an ambiguity.RegardsShiv Dev KalsiOn 3/27/08, Nirmal Kumar Bhardwaj <nirbhar wrote:

Dear Kalsi Ji,I dont think any one of the addressees thinks that he is fully mastered the Lalkitab. It is a great Book. It is not written by an ordinary person.

I ensure you that each and every point regarding the lalkitab shall discussed in detail. Please Give your point of view where do you feel that there is ambiguity in lalkitab. How do you feel that directions are not defined in lalkitab.

Please try tbe elaborative in the issue.RegardsNirmal Kumar BhardwajOn 3/27/08, kulbir bance <kulbirbance wrote:

kalsi ji; this opinion or research cannot be recommended in hurry. at least i will have to check the whole book. commenting upon ambiguity in lalkitab is a serious matter and needs a thourough analysis before commenting.

i need some time. we have not yet decoded the basis of varshphal. don't we admit it as it is because we don't have any logic. do we have any logic as to on what basis and logics pt ji assigned directions in a makkan kundli. don't we acept it as such. why do we accept house no. 1 as lagna? because it is written as such in the book.

we accept darvesh as karkattwa of ketu. why?we accept house no 8 aspects 2 but 2 doesn't aspect 8 why?only sun and moon in house no 9 aspect house no 5.budh in 11 inauspicious till 34 years does shashtri jyotish takes it so, then why do we?

ambiguity is a very serious word and puts the whole system/book under suspicion.2+2 are not always 4 in this system because it has a philosphy of it own. but i further ur request by adding that silence will amount to acceptance. therefore senior members should object expressly or their silence will be interpretted as acceptance.

lalkitab is above all personal liasions or differences. hence one should give his opinion openly and freely.i shall definitely send in mine once i go through the book and consult my gurus of lalkitab.

kulbirbance On 3/26/08, Shivdev Kalsi <shivdev.kalsi wrote:

Respected Prabhakar Ji, Bhatia Ji, Nirmal Ji , kulbir ji Thakur Ji, Khattar Ji, Kondal Ji , Shukla Ji and all senior members,This group is claimed to be doing research oriented studies lalkitab with the backing of so many others including all of above. Another group doing discussion in Lalkitab ' Namely " lalkitab Discussion group " has found an ambiguity in lalkitab and claimed that the general directions are different other than makan Kundli. Their invention seems to be genuine.This is a path breaking

research. Hence Your reccomendation are necessary in this regard as you are the senior most members of this system -- Dr. Shiv Dev Kalsi,Jyotish Rishi (AIFAS)Consultant (Vedic Astrology)

-- Dr. Shiv Dev Kalsi,Jyotish Rishi (AIFAS)Consultant (Vedic Astrology)

[Guest guest]

Nirmal ji; lets try this exercise; it might yield some good results; this step done please carry on to step 2.

kulbirbance

On 3/30/08, Nirmal Kumar Bhardwaj <nirbhar wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Kalsi Ji,A doubt is created in your mind. These type of doubts hamper the further study of the subject. Let us do an exercise. Any one can do it. Stand anywhere in your house,city,place as per your convenience.

make a list of objects exist North DirectionSouthEastWestNENWSESW & any more detailed direction one can assume.It may look as a kiddish exercise, Let us do it as it may lead to some solution.

Regards

On 3/30/08, Shivdev Kalsi <shivdev.kalsi wrote:

 

 

 

 

Dear Nirmal Ji,It is a universal truth that every being on the earth is having a direction. No objects exists without direction. In Kitab One direction is not given to any khana while khana 9 is not given any direction.

Is it not an ambiguity.RegardsShiv Dev Kalsi

On 3/27/08, Nirmal Kumar Bhardwaj <nirbhar wrote:

 

 

 

 

Dear Kalsi Ji,I dont think any one of the addressees thinks that he is fully mastered the Lalkitab. It is a great Book. It is not written by an ordinary person. I ensure you that each and every point regarding the lalkitab shall discussed in detail.

Please Give your point of view where do you feel that there is ambiguity in lalkitab. How do you feel that directions are not defined in lalkitab. Please try tbe elaborative in the issue.RegardsNirmal Kumar Bhardwaj

 

On 3/27/08, kulbir bance <kulbirbance wrote:

 

 

 

 

kalsi ji; this opinion or research cannot be recommended in hurry. at least i will have to check the whole book. commenting upon ambiguity in lalkitab is a serious matter and needs a thourough analysis before commenting.

i need some time. we have not yet decoded the basis of varshphal. don't we admit it as it is because we don't have any logic. do we have any logic as to on what basis and logics pt ji assigned directions in a makkan kundli. don't we acept it as such. why do we accept house no. 1 as lagna? because it is written as such in the book.

we accept darvesh as karkattwa of ketu. why?

we accept house no 8 aspects 2 but 2 doesn't aspect 8 why?

only sun and moon in house no 9 aspect house no 5.

budh in 11 inauspicious till 34 years does shashtri jyotish takes it so, then why do we?

ambiguity is a very serious word and puts the whole system/book under suspicion.

2+2 are not always 4 in this system because it has a philosphy of it own.

but i further ur request by adding that silence will amount to acceptance. therefore senior members should object expressly or their silence will be interpretted as acceptance.

lalkitab is above all personal liasions or differences. hence one should give his opinion openly and freely.

i shall definitely send in mine once i go through the book and consult my gurus of lalkitab.

kulbirbance

On 3/26/08, Shivdev Kalsi <shivdev.kalsi wrote:

 

 

 

 

Respected Prabhakar Ji, Bhatia Ji, Nirmal Ji , kulbir ji Thakur Ji, Khattar Ji, Kondal Ji , Shukla Ji and all senior members,This group is claimed to be doing research oriented studies lalkitab with the backing of so many others including all of above. Another group doing discussion in Lalkitab ' Namely " lalkitab Discussion group " has found an ambiguity in lalkitab and claimed that the general directions are different other than makan Kundli. Their invention seems to be genuine.This is a path breaking

research. Hence Your reccomendation are necessary in this regard as you are the senior most members of this system -- Dr. Shiv Dev Kalsi,Jyotish Rishi (AIFAS)Consultant (Vedic Astrology)

-- Dr. Shiv Dev Kalsi,Jyotish Rishi (AIFAS)Consultant (Vedic Astrology)

[Guest guest]

thakur ji; it is an overstatement; had it come from someone who has understood all the concepts by this method, would have been welcome but i am sorry to say that it doesn't befits somone who stumbles at the basics. have you yourself read and understood all the volumes. what's the problem if someone is keen to understand the principles. aap phir se dooron ko chakkar mein na padne ki nasiyat dene lage; kya aap chakkar se bahar aa gaye. bhai ji nasiyaton se pehle kuch to batao; aap ne kya samjha.

sincerely

kulbirbance

On 3/30/08, Iqbal Chand Thakur <thakur.iqbalchand wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

Bhai Kalsi Sahib,Kis chakkar mein pad gaye ho. Lalkitab Padhtey jao sab kuchh saaf hota jayega. Aisi cheezein aapka dhyaan pedhney se door hataayengi, jo nuqsaandeh hai. Jab aap paanchon kitabein ek bar padh logey to sabh giley shikivey door ho jaayenge. Yo sabhi jo ultay fultay swaal khadey ho rahey hain sabhi kaa jawaab kitaab de degi. baaqi aapki marzi hai, iss chakker mein jitna padogey ulajhatey jaaogey.

aapka Iqbal Chand Thakur

On 3/30/08, Shivdev Kalsi <shivdev.kalsi wrote:

 

 

 

 

Dear Nirmal Ji,It is a universal truth that every being on the earth is having a direction. No objects exists without direction. In Kitab One direction is not given to any khana while khana 9 is not given any direction.

Is it not an ambiguity.RegardsShiv Dev Kalsi

On 3/27/08, Nirmal Kumar Bhardwaj <nirbhar wrote:

 

 

 

 

Dear Kalsi Ji,I dont think any one of the addressees thinks that he is fully mastered the Lalkitab. It is a great Book. It is not written by an ordinary person. I ensure you that each and every point regarding the lalkitab shall discussed in detail.

Please Give your point of view where do you feel that there is ambiguity in lalkitab. How do you feel that directions are not defined in lalkitab. Please try tbe elaborative in the issue.RegardsNirmal Kumar Bhardwaj

 

On 3/27/08, kulbir bance <kulbirbance wrote:

 

 

 

 

kalsi ji; this opinion or research cannot be recommended in hurry. at least i will have to check the whole book. commenting upon ambiguity in lalkitab is a serious matter and needs a thourough analysis before commenting.

i need some time. we have not yet decoded the basis of varshphal. don't we admit it as it is because we don't have any logic. do we have any logic as to on what basis and logics pt ji assigned directions in a makkan kundli. don't we acept it as such. why do we accept house no. 1 as lagna? because it is written as such in the book.

we accept darvesh as karkattwa of ketu. why?

we accept house no 8 aspects 2 but 2 doesn't aspect 8 why?

only sun and moon in house no 9 aspect house no 5.

budh in 11 inauspicious till 34 years does shashtri jyotish takes it so, then why do we?

ambiguity is a very serious word and puts the whole system/book under suspicion.

2+2 are not always 4 in this system because it has a philosphy of it own.

but i further ur request by adding that silence will amount to acceptance. therefore senior members should object expressly or their silence will be interpretted as acceptance.

lalkitab is above all personal liasions or differences. hence one should give his opinion openly and freely.

i shall definitely send in mine once i go through the book and consult my gurus of lalkitab.

kulbirbance

On 3/26/08, Shivdev Kalsi <shivdev.kalsi wrote:

 

 

 

 

Respected Prabhakar Ji, Bhatia Ji, Nirmal Ji , kulbir ji Thakur Ji, Khattar Ji, Kondal Ji , Shukla Ji and all senior members,This group is claimed to be doing research oriented studies lalkitab with the backing of so many others including all of above. Another group doing discussion in Lalkitab ' Namely " lalkitab Discussion group " has found an ambiguity in lalkitab and claimed that the general directions are different other than makan Kundli. Their invention seems to be genuine.This is a path breaking

research. Hence Your reccomendation are necessary in this regard as you are the senior most members of this system -- Dr. Shiv Dev Kalsi,Jyotish Rishi (AIFAS)Consultant (Vedic Astrology)

-- Dr. Shiv Dev Kalsi,Jyotish Rishi (AIFAS)Consultant (Vedic Astrology)

[Guest guest]

Dear Kulbir Ji,Have find any object arround you which have not situated in any of the possible directionPlease give rough results , i mean , detail of object and direction.RegardsNirmal Kumar Bhardwaj

On 3/30/08, kulbir bance <kulbirbance wrote:

 

Nirmal ji; lets try this exercise; it might yield some good results; this step done please carry on to step 2.kulbirbance On 3/30/08, Nirmal Kumar Bhardwaj <nirbhar wrote:

Dear Kalsi Ji,A doubt is created in your mind. These type of doubts hamper the further study of the subject. Let us do an exercise. Any one can do it. Stand anywhere in your house,city,place as per your convenience.

make a list of objects exist North DirectionSouthEastWestNENWSESW & any more detailed direction one can assume.It may look as a kiddish exercise, Let us do it as it may lead to some solution.

Regards On 3/30/08, Shivdev Kalsi <shivdev.kalsi wrote:

Dear Nirmal Ji,It is a universal truth that every being on the earth is having a direction. No objects exists without direction. In Kitab One direction is not given to any khana while khana 9 is not given any direction.

Is it not an ambiguity.RegardsShiv Dev Kalsi On 3/27/08, Nirmal Kumar Bhardwaj <nirbhar wrote:

Dear Kalsi Ji,I dont think any one of the addressees thinks that he is fully mastered the Lalkitab. It is a great Book. It is not written by an ordinary person.

I ensure you that each and every point regarding the lalkitab shall discussed in detail. Please Give your point of view where do you feel that there is ambiguity in lalkitab. How do you feel that directions are not defined in lalkitab.

Please try tbe elaborative in the issue.RegardsNirmal Kumar BhardwajOn 3/27/08, kulbir bance <kulbirbance wrote:

kalsi ji; this opinion or research cannot be recommended in hurry. at least i will have to check the whole book. commenting upon ambiguity in lalkitab is a serious matter and needs a thourough analysis before commenting.

i need some time. we have not yet decoded the basis of varshphal. don't we admit it as it is because we don't have any logic. do we have any logic as to on what basis and logics pt ji assigned directions in a makkan kundli. don't we acept it as such. why do we accept house no. 1 as lagna? because it is written as such in the book.

we accept darvesh as karkattwa of ketu. why?we accept house no 8 aspects 2 but 2 doesn't aspect 8 why?only sun and moon in house no 9 aspect house no 5.budh in 11 inauspicious till 34 years does shashtri jyotish takes it so, then why do we?

ambiguity is a very serious word and puts the whole system/book under suspicion.2+2 are not always 4 in this system because it has a philosphy of it own. but i further ur request by adding that silence will amount to acceptance. therefore senior members should object expressly or their silence will be interpretted as acceptance.

lalkitab is above all personal liasions or differences. hence one should give his opinion openly and freely.i shall definitely send in mine once i go through the book and consult my gurus of lalkitab.

kulbirbance On 3/26/08, Shivdev Kalsi <shivdev.kalsi wrote:

Respected Prabhakar Ji, Bhatia Ji, Nirmal Ji , kulbir ji Thakur Ji, Khattar Ji, Kondal Ji , Shukla Ji and all senior members,This group is claimed to be doing research oriented studies lalkitab with the backing of so many others including all of above. Another group doing discussion in Lalkitab ' Namely " lalkitab Discussion group " has found an ambiguity in lalkitab and claimed that the general directions are different other than makan Kundli. Their invention seems to be genuine.This is a path breaking

research. Hence Your reccomendation are necessary in this regard as you are the senior most members of this system -- Dr. Shiv Dev Kalsi,Jyotish Rishi (AIFAS)Consultant (Vedic Astrology)

-- Dr. Shiv Dev Kalsi,Jyotish Rishi (AIFAS)Consultant (Vedic Astrology)

[Guest guest]

Nirmal ji;

first of all i am confused what direction lies upon my head, i.e the sky.

secondly when i stand on a particular place and mark the object and directions, i draw some conclusions. but after i alter my position the direction of that object changes e.g the west side of my house becomes east when i stand in my neighbours house.

regards

kulbirbance

On 3/30/08, Nirmal Kumar Bhardwaj <nirbhar wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Kulbir Ji,Have find any object arround you which have not situated in any of the possible directionPlease give rough results , i mean , detail of object and direction.RegardsNirmal Kumar Bhardwaj

On 3/30/08, kulbir bance <kulbirbance wrote:

 

 

 

 

Nirmal ji; lets try this exercise; it might yield some good results; this step done please carry on to step 2.

kulbirbance

 

On 3/30/08, Nirmal Kumar Bhardwaj <nirbhar wrote:

 

 

 

 

Dear Kalsi Ji,A doubt is created in your mind. These type of doubts hamper the further study of the subject. Let us do an exercise. Any one can do it. Stand anywhere in your house,city,place as per your convenience.

make a list of objects exist North DirectionSouthEastWestNENWSESW & any more detailed direction one can assume.It may look as a kiddish exercise, Let us do it as it may lead to some solution.

Regards

On 3/30/08, Shivdev Kalsi <shivdev.kalsi wrote:

 

 

 

 

Dear Nirmal Ji,It is a universal truth that every being on the earth is having a direction. No objects exists without direction. In Kitab One direction is not given to any khana while khana 9 is not given any direction.

Is it not an ambiguity.RegardsShiv Dev Kalsi

On 3/27/08, Nirmal Kumar Bhardwaj <nirbhar wrote:

 

 

 

 

Dear Kalsi Ji,I dont think any one of the addressees thinks that he is fully mastered the Lalkitab. It is a great Book. It is not written by an ordinary person. I ensure you that each and every point regarding the lalkitab shall discussed in detail.

Please Give your point of view where do you feel that there is ambiguity in lalkitab. How do you feel that directions are not defined in lalkitab. Please try tbe elaborative in the issue.RegardsNirmal Kumar Bhardwaj

 

On 3/27/08, kulbir bance <kulbirbance wrote:

 

 

 

 

kalsi ji; this opinion or research cannot be recommended in hurry. at least i will have to check the whole book. commenting upon ambiguity in lalkitab is a serious matter and needs a thourough analysis before commenting.

i need some time. we have not yet decoded the basis of varshphal. don't we admit it as it is because we don't have any logic. do we have any logic as to on what basis and logics pt ji assigned directions in a makkan kundli. don't we acept it as such. why do we accept house no. 1 as lagna? because it is written as such in the book.

we accept darvesh as karkattwa of ketu. why?

we accept house no 8 aspects 2 but 2 doesn't aspect 8 why?

only sun and moon in house no 9 aspect house no 5.

budh in 11 inauspicious till 34 years does shashtri jyotish takes it so, then why do we?

ambiguity is a very serious word and puts the whole system/book under suspicion.

2+2 are not always 4 in this system because it has a philosphy of it own.

but i further ur request by adding that silence will amount to acceptance. therefore senior members should object expressly or their silence will be interpretted as acceptance.

lalkitab is above all personal liasions or differences. hence one should give his opinion openly and freely.

i shall definitely send in mine once i go through the book and consult my gurus of lalkitab.

kulbirbance

On 3/26/08, Shivdev Kalsi <shivdev.kalsi wrote:

 

 

 

 

Respected Prabhakar Ji, Bhatia Ji, Nirmal Ji , kulbir ji Thakur Ji, Khattar Ji, Kondal Ji , Shukla Ji and all senior members,This group is claimed to be doing research oriented studies lalkitab with the backing of so many others including all of above. Another group doing discussion in Lalkitab ' Namely " lalkitab Discussion group " has found an ambiguity in lalkitab and claimed that the general directions are different other than makan Kundli. Their invention seems to be genuine.This is a path breaking

research. Hence Your reccomendation are necessary in this regard as you are the senior most members of this system -- Dr. Shiv Dev Kalsi,Jyotish Rishi (AIFAS)Consultant (Vedic Astrology)

-- Dr. Shiv Dev Kalsi,Jyotish Rishi (AIFAS)Consultant (Vedic Astrology)

[Guest guest]

Dear Nirmal Ji,

I have checked all the sides every object has the direction allocated. Still my stand is clear.

Yours

Shiv Dev Kalsi

On Sun, Mar 30, 2008 at 2:58 PM, Nirmal Kumar Bhardwaj <nirbhar wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Kalsi Ji,A doubt is created in your mind. These type of doubts hamper the further study of the subject. Let us do an exercise. Any one can do it. Stand anywhere in your house,city,place as per your convenience.

make a list of objects exist North DirectionSouthEastWestNENWSESW & any more detailed direction one can assume.It may look as a kiddish exercise, Let us do it as it may lead to some solution.

Regards

 

 

On 3/30/08, Shivdev Kalsi <shivdev.kalsi wrote:

 

 

 

 

Dear Nirmal Ji,It is a universal truth that every being on the earth is having a direction. No objects exists without direction. In Kitab One direction is not given to any khana while khana 9 is not given any direction.

Is it not an ambiguity.RegardsShiv Dev Kalsi

On 3/27/08, Nirmal Kumar Bhardwaj <nirbhar wrote:

 

 

 

 

Dear Kalsi Ji,I dont think any one of the addressees thinks that he is fully mastered the Lalkitab. It is a great Book. It is not written by an ordinary person. I ensure you that each and every point regarding the lalkitab shall discussed in detail.

Please Give your point of view where do you feel that there is ambiguity in lalkitab. How do you feel that directions are not defined in lalkitab. Please try tbe elaborative in the issue.RegardsNirmal Kumar Bhardwaj

 

On 3/27/08, kulbir bance <kulbirbance wrote:

 

 

 

 

kalsi ji; this opinion or research cannot be recommended in hurry. at least i will have to check the whole book. commenting upon ambiguity in lalkitab is a serious matter and needs a thourough analysis before commenting.

i need some time. we have not yet decoded the basis of varshphal. don't we admit it as it is because we don't have any logic. do we have any logic as to on what basis and logics pt ji assigned directions in a makkan kundli. don't we acept it as such. why do we accept house no. 1 as lagna? because it is written as such in the book.

we accept darvesh as karkattwa of ketu. why?

we accept house no 8 aspects 2 but 2 doesn't aspect 8 why?

only sun and moon in house no 9 aspect house no 5.

budh in 11 inauspicious till 34 years does shashtri jyotish takes it so, then why do we?

ambiguity is a very serious word and puts the whole system/book under suspicion.

2+2 are not always 4 in this system because it has a philosphy of it own.

but i further ur request by adding that silence will amount to acceptance. therefore senior members should object expressly or their silence will be interpretted as acceptance.

lalkitab is above all personal liasions or differences. hence one should give his opinion openly and freely.

i shall definitely send in mine once i go through the book and consult my gurus of lalkitab.

kulbirbance

On 3/26/08, Shivdev Kalsi <shivdev.kalsi wrote:

 

 

 

 

Respected Prabhakar Ji, Bhatia Ji, Nirmal Ji , kulbir ji Thakur Ji, Khattar Ji, Kondal Ji , Shukla Ji and all senior members,This group is claimed to be doing research oriented studies lalkitab with the backing of so many others including all of above. Another group doing discussion in Lalkitab ' Namely " lalkitab Discussion group " has found an ambiguity in lalkitab and claimed that the general directions are different other than makan Kundli. Their invention seems to be genuine.This is a path breaking

research. Hence Your reccomendation are necessary in this regard as you are the senior most members of this system -- Dr. Shiv Dev Kalsi,Jyotish Rishi (AIFAS)Consultant (Vedic Astrology)

-- Dr. Shiv Dev Kalsi,Jyotish Rishi (AIFAS)Consultant (Vedic Astrology)

 

-- Dr. Shiv Dev Kalsi,

Jyotish Rishi (AIFAS)Consultant (Vedic Astrology)

[Guest guest]

Dear Kulbir Ji,

My Idea is Just to confirm that there is no object arround you which

is not having any direction. Please confirm is there any object

around which is not having any direction.

Regards

Nirmal Kumar Bhardwaj

, " kulbir

bance " <kulbirbance wrote:

>

> Nirmal ji;

> first of all i am confused what direction lies upon my head, i.e

the sky.

> secondly when i stand on a particular place and mark the object and

> directions, i draw some conclusions. but after i alter my position

the

> direction of that object changes e.g the west side of my house

becomes east

> when i stand in my neighbours house.

> regards

> kulbirbance

>

>

> On 3/30/08, Nirmal Kumar Bhardwaj <nirbhar wrote:

> >

> > Dear Kulbir Ji,

> > Have find any object arround you which have not situated in any

of the

> > possible direction

> > Please give rough results , i mean , detail of object and

direction.

> > Regards

> > Nirmal Kumar Bhardwaj

> > On 3/30/08, kulbir bance <kulbirbance wrote:

> > >

> > > Nirmal ji; lets try this exercise; it might yield some good

results;

> > > this step done please carry on to step 2.

> > > kulbirbance

> > >

> > >

> > > On 3/30/08, Nirmal Kumar Bhardwaj <nirbhar wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Kalsi Ji,

> > > > A doubt is created in your mind. These type of doubts hamper

the

> > > > further study of the subject.

> > > > Let us do an exercise. Any one can do it.

> > > > Stand anywhere in your house,city,place as per your

convenience.

> > > > make a list of objects exist

> > > > North Direction

> > > > South

> > > > East

> > > > West

> > > > NE

> > > > NW

> > > > SE

> > > > SW

> > > > & any more detailed direction one can assume.

> > > > It may look as a kiddish exercise, Let us do it as it may

lead to some

> > > > solution.

> > > > Regards

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > On 3/30/08, Shivdev Kalsi <shivdev.kalsi wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Nirmal Ji,

> > > > > It is a universal truth that every being on the earth is

having a

> > > > > direction. No objects exists without

> > > > > direction. In Kitab One direction is not given to any khana

while khana 9 is not given any direction.

> > > > > Is it not an ambiguity.

> > > > > Regards

> > > > > Shiv Dev Kalsi

> > > > > On 3/27/08, Nirmal Kumar Bhardwaj <nirbhar wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Kalsi Ji,

> > > > > > I dont think any one of the addressees thinks that he is

fully

> > > > > > mastered the

> > > > > > Lalkitab. It is a great Book. It is not written by an

ordinary person.

> > > > > > I ensure you that each and every point regarding the

lalkitab

> > > > > > shall discussed in detail.

> > > > > > Please Give your point of view where do you feel that

there is

> > > > > > ambiguity in lalkitab. How do you feel that directions

are not defined in

> > > > > > lalkitab.

> > > > > > Please try tbe elaborative in the issue.

> > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > Nirmal Kumar Bhardwaj

> > > > > >

> > > > > > On 3/27/08, kulbir bance <kulbirbance wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > kalsi ji; this opinion or research cannot be

recommended in

> > > > > > > hurry. at least i will have to check the whole book.

commenting upon

> > > > > > > ambiguity in lalkitab is a serious matter and needs a

thourough analysis

> > > > > > > before commenting.

> > > > > > > i need some time. we have not yet decoded the basis of

> > > > > > > varshphal. don't we admit it as it is because we don't

have any logic. do we

> > > > > > > have any logic as to on what basis and logics pt ji

assigned directions in a

> > > > > > > makkan kundli. don't we acept it as such. why do we

accept house no. 1 as

> > > > > > > lagna? because it is written as such in the book.

> > > > > > > we accept darvesh as karkattwa of ketu. why?

> > > > > > > we accept house no 8 aspects 2 but 2 doesn't aspect 8

why?

> > > > > > > only sun and moon in house no 9 aspect house no 5.

> > > > > > > budh in 11 inauspicious till 34 years does shashtri

jyotish

> > > > > > > takes it so, then why do we?

> > > > > > > ambiguity is a very serious word and puts the whole

system/book

> > > > > > > under suspicion.

> > > > > > > 2+2 are not always 4 in this system because it has a

philosphy

> > > > > > > of it own.

> > > > > > > *but i further ur request by adding that silence will

amount to

> > > > > > > acceptance. therefore senior members should object

expressly or their

> > > > > > > silence will be interpretted as acceptance.*

> > > > > > > lalkitab is above all personal liasions or differences.

hence

> > > > > > > one should give his opinion openly and freely.

> > > > > > > i shall definitely send in mine once i go through the

book and

> > > > > > > consult my gurus of lalkitab.

> > > > > > > kulbirbance

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > On 3/26/08, Shivdev Kalsi <shivdev.kalsi wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Respected Prabhakar Ji, Bhatia Ji, Nirmal Ji ,

kulbir ji

> > > > > > > > Thakur Ji, Khattar Ji, Kondal Ji , Shukla Ji and all

senior members,

> > > > > > > > This group is claimed to be doing research oriented

studies

> > > > > > > > lalkitab with the backing of so many others

including all of above. Another

> > > > > > > > group doing discussion in Lalkitab ' Namely " lalkitab

Discussion group " has

> > > > > > > > found an ambiguity in lalkitab and claimed that the

general directions are

> > > > > > > > different other than makan Kundli. Their invention

seems to be

> > > > > > > > genuine.This is a path breaking

> > > > > > > > research. Hence Your

> > > > > > > > reccomendation are necessary in this regard as you

are the senior most members of this system

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > --

> > > > > > > > Dr. Shiv Dev Kalsi,

> > > > > > > > Jyotish Rishi (AIFAS)

> > > > > > > > Consultant (Vedic Astrology)

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > --

> > > > > Dr. Shiv Dev Kalsi,

> > > > > Jyotish Rishi (AIFAS)

> > > > > Consultant (Vedic Astrology)

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Let us waith for Kulbir ji's confirmation, whether he thinks so.regardsNirmal Kumar BhardwajOn 3/30/08, Shivdev Kalsi <shivdev.kalsi wrote:

 

Dear Nirmal Ji,I have checked all the sides every object has the direction allocated. Still my stand is clear.YoursShiv Dev Kalsi

On Sun, Mar 30, 2008 at 2:58 PM, Nirmal Kumar Bhardwaj <nirbhar wrote:

Dear Kalsi Ji,A doubt is created in your mind. These type of doubts hamper the further study of the subject. Let us do an exercise. Any one can do it. Stand anywhere in your house,city,place as per your convenience.

make a list of objects exist North DirectionSouthEastWestNENWSESW & any more detailed direction one can assume.It may look as a kiddish exercise, Let us do it as it may lead to some solution.

Regards On 3/30/08, Shivdev Kalsi <shivdev.kalsi wrote:

Dear Nirmal Ji,It is a universal truth that every being on the earth is having a direction. No objects exists without direction. In Kitab One direction is not given to any khana while khana 9 is not given any direction.

Is it not an ambiguity.RegardsShiv Dev Kalsi On 3/27/08, Nirmal Kumar Bhardwaj <nirbhar wrote:

Dear Kalsi Ji,I dont think any one of the addressees thinks that he is fully mastered the Lalkitab. It is a great Book. It is not written by an ordinary person.

I ensure you that each and every point regarding the lalkitab shall discussed in detail. Please Give your point of view where do you feel that there is ambiguity in lalkitab. How do you feel that directions are not defined in lalkitab.

Please try tbe elaborative in the issue.RegardsNirmal Kumar BhardwajOn 3/27/08, kulbir bance <kulbirbance wrote:

kalsi ji; this opinion or research cannot be recommended in hurry. at least i will have to check the whole book. commenting upon ambiguity in lalkitab is a serious matter and needs a thourough analysis before commenting.

i need some time. we have not yet decoded the basis of varshphal. don't we admit it as it is because we don't have any logic. do we have any logic as to on what basis and logics pt ji assigned directions in a makkan kundli. don't we acept it as such. why do we accept house no. 1 as lagna? because it is written as such in the book.

we accept darvesh as karkattwa of ketu. why?we accept house no 8 aspects 2 but 2 doesn't aspect 8 why?only sun and moon in house no 9 aspect house no 5.budh in 11 inauspicious till 34 years does shashtri jyotish takes it so, then why do we?

ambiguity is a very serious word and puts the whole system/book under suspicion.2+2 are not always 4 in this system because it has a philosphy of it own. but i further ur request by adding that silence will amount to acceptance. therefore senior members should object expressly or their silence will be interpretted as acceptance.

lalkitab is above all personal liasions or differences. hence one should give his opinion openly and freely.i shall definitely send in mine once i go through the book and consult my gurus of lalkitab.

kulbirbance On 3/26/08, Shivdev Kalsi <shivdev.kalsi wrote:

Respected Prabhakar Ji, Bhatia Ji, Nirmal Ji , kulbir ji Thakur Ji, Khattar Ji, Kondal Ji , Shukla Ji and all senior members,This group is claimed to be doing research oriented studies lalkitab with the backing of so many others including all of above. Another group doing discussion in Lalkitab ' Namely " lalkitab Discussion group " has found an ambiguity in lalkitab and claimed that the general directions are different other than makan Kundli. Their invention seems to be genuine.This is a path breaking

research. Hence Your reccomendation are necessary in this regard as you are the senior most members of this system -- Dr. Shiv Dev Kalsi,Jyotish Rishi (AIFAS)Consultant (Vedic Astrology)

-- Dr. Shiv Dev Kalsi,Jyotish Rishi (AIFAS)Consultant (Vedic Astrology)

-- Dr. Shiv Dev Kalsi, Jyotish Rishi (AIFAS)Consultant (Vedic Astrology)

[Guest guest]

Dear Kalsi Ji,

Kulbir Ji, has given the partial answer in his reply. Your contention

that every object has a direction is right to the extent if you

consider it from ones own angle. I you and every one can point out

the direction of all the items around except himself. This is the

secret where Lalkitab clears the issue.

With this excercise,Every one fails to identify his own direction.

Neither you no Kulbir ji can give difinite answer regarding one,s own

position.

It is khana No. 9 which gives one own direction i.e. Centre of the

whole direction system or we can say as reference point.

As such there is no ambiguity in the system of Lalkitab,but it is

ambiguity in our way of understanding the system.

Regards

Nirmal Kumar Bhardwaj

 

 

, " Shivdev

Kalsi " <shivdev.kalsi wrote:

>

> Dear Nirmal Ji,

> I have checked all the sides every object has the direction

allocated. Still

> my stand is clear.

> Yours

> Shiv Dev Kalsi

>

> On Sun, Mar 30, 2008 at 2:58 PM, Nirmal Kumar Bhardwaj

<nirbhar

> wrote:

>

> > Dear Kalsi Ji,

> > A doubt is created in your mind. These type of doubts hamper the

further

> > study of the subject.

> > Let us do an exercise. Any one can do it.

> > Stand anywhere in your house,city,place as per your convenience.

> > make a list of objects exist

> > North Direction

> > South

> > East

> > West

> > NE

> > NW

> > SE

> > SW

> > & any more detailed direction one can assume.

> > It may look as a kiddish exercise, Let us do it as it may lead

to some

> > solution.

> > Regards

> >

> >

> >

> > On 3/30/08, Shivdev Kalsi <shivdev.kalsi wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Nirmal Ji,

> > > It is a universal truth that every being on the earth is

having a

> > > direction. No objects exists without

> > > direction. In Kitab One direction is not given to any khana

while khana 9 is not given any direction.

> > > Is it not an ambiguity.

> > > Regards

> > > Shiv Dev Kalsi

> > > On 3/27/08, Nirmal Kumar Bhardwaj <nirbhar wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Kalsi Ji,

> > > > I dont think any one of the addressees thinks that he is

fully

> > > > mastered the

> > > > Lalkitab. It is a great Book. It is not written by an

ordinary person.

> > > > I ensure you that each and every point regarding the

lalkitab shall

> > > > discussed in detail.

> > > > Please Give your point of view where do you feel that there

is

> > > > ambiguity in lalkitab. How do you feel that directions are

not defined in

> > > > lalkitab.

> > > > Please try tbe elaborative in the issue.

> > > > Regards

> > > > Nirmal Kumar Bhardwaj

> > > >

> > > > On 3/27/08, kulbir bance <kulbirbance wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > kalsi ji; this opinion or research cannot be recommended

in hurry.

> > > > > at least i will have to check the whole book. commenting

upon ambiguity in

> > > > > lalkitab is a serious matter and needs a thourough

analysis before

> > > > > commenting.

> > > > > i need some time. we have not yet decoded the basis of

varshphal.

> > > > > don't we admit it as it is because we don't have any

logic. do we have any

> > > > > logic as to on what basis and logics pt ji assigned

directions in a makkan

> > > > > kundli. don't we acept it as such. why do we accept house

no. 1 as lagna?

> > > > > because it is written as such in the book.

> > > > > we accept darvesh as karkattwa of ketu. why?

> > > > > we accept house no 8 aspects 2 but 2 doesn't aspect 8 why?

> > > > > only sun and moon in house no 9 aspect house no 5.

> > > > > budh in 11 inauspicious till 34 years does shashtri

jyotish takes it

> > > > > so, then why do we?

> > > > > ambiguity is a very serious word and puts the whole system/

book

> > > > > under suspicion.

> > > > > 2+2 are not always 4 in this system because it has a

philosphy of it

> > > > > own.

> > > > > *but i further ur request by adding that silence will

amount to

> > > > > acceptance. therefore senior members should object

expressly or their

> > > > > silence will be interpretted as acceptance.*

> > > > > lalkitab is above all personal liasions or differences.

hence one

> > > > > should give his opinion openly and freely.

> > > > > i shall definitely send in mine once i go through the book

and

> > > > > consult my gurus of lalkitab.

> > > > > kulbirbance

> > > > >

> > > > > On 3/26/08, Shivdev Kalsi <shivdev.kalsi wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Respected Prabhakar Ji, Bhatia Ji, Nirmal Ji , kulbir

ji Thakur

> > > > > > Ji, Khattar Ji, Kondal Ji , Shukla Ji and all senior

members,

> > > > > > This group is claimed to be doing research oriented

studies

> > > > > > lalkitab with the backing of so many others including

all of above. Another

> > > > > > group doing discussion in Lalkitab ' Namely " lalkitab

Discussion group " has

> > > > > > found an ambiguity in lalkitab and claimed that the

general directions are

> > > > > > different other than makan Kundli. Their invention seems

to be

> > > > > > genuine.This is a path breaking

> > > > > > research. Hence Your

> > > > > > reccomendation are necessary in this regard as you are

the senior most members of this system

> > > > > >

> > > > > > --

> > > > > > Dr. Shiv Dev Kalsi,

> > > > > > Jyotish Rishi (AIFAS)

> > > > > > Consultant (Vedic Astrology)

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > > --

> > > Dr. Shiv Dev Kalsi,

> > > Jyotish Rishi (AIFAS)

> > > Consultant (Vedic Astrology)

> > >

> > >

> >

> >

>

>

>

> --

> Dr. Shiv Dev Kalsi,

> Jyotish Rishi (AIFAS)

> Consultant (Vedic Astrology)

>

[Guest guest]

Nirmal ji as already stated i couldn't mark the direction of sky

over head according to lk it denotes 12 th house but at the same

time 12 house denotes soth east.

kulbirbance , " Nirmal Kumar

Bhardwaj " <nirbhar wrote:

>

> Dear Kalsi Ji,

> Kulbir Ji, has given the partial answer in his reply. Your

contention

> that every object has a direction is right to the extent if you

> consider it from ones own angle. I you and every one can point out

> the direction of all the items around except himself. This is the

> secret where Lalkitab clears the issue.

> With this excercise,Every one fails to identify his own direction.

> Neither you no Kulbir ji can give difinite answer regarding one,s

own

> position.

> It is khana No. 9 which gives one own direction i.e. Centre of the

> whole direction system or we can say as reference point.

> As such there is no ambiguity in the system of Lalkitab,but it is

> ambiguity in our way of understanding the system.

> Regards

> Nirmal Kumar Bhardwaj

>

>

> , " Shivdev

> Kalsi " <shivdev.kalsi@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Nirmal Ji,

> > I have checked all the sides every object has the direction

> allocated. Still

> > my stand is clear.

> > Yours

> > Shiv Dev Kalsi

> >

> > On Sun, Mar 30, 2008 at 2:58 PM, Nirmal Kumar Bhardwaj

> <nirbhar@>

> > wrote:

> >

> > > Dear Kalsi Ji,

> > > A doubt is created in your mind. These type of doubts hamper

the

> further

> > > study of the subject.

> > > Let us do an exercise. Any one can do it.

> > > Stand anywhere in your house,city,place as per your

convenience.

> > > make a list of objects exist

> > > North Direction

> > > South

> > > East

> > > West

> > > NE

> > > NW

> > > SE

> > > SW

> > > & any more detailed direction one can assume.

> > > It may look as a kiddish exercise, Let us do it as it may lead

> to some

> > > solution.

> > > Regards

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > On 3/30/08, Shivdev Kalsi <shivdev.kalsi@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Nirmal Ji,

> > > > It is a universal truth that every being on the earth is

> having a

> > > > direction. No objects exists without

> > > > direction. In Kitab One direction is not given to any khana

> while khana 9 is not given any direction.

> > > > Is it not an ambiguity.

> > > > Regards

> > > > Shiv Dev Kalsi

> > > > On 3/27/08, Nirmal Kumar Bhardwaj <nirbhar@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Kalsi Ji,

> > > > > I dont think any one of the addressees thinks that he is

> fully

> > > > > mastered the

> > > > > Lalkitab. It is a great Book. It is not written by an

> ordinary person.

> > > > > I ensure you that each and every point regarding the

> lalkitab shall

> > > > > discussed in detail.

> > > > > Please Give your point of view where do you feel that

there

> is

> > > > > ambiguity in lalkitab. How do you feel that directions are

> not defined in

> > > > > lalkitab.

> > > > > Please try tbe elaborative in the issue.

> > > > > Regards

> > > > > Nirmal Kumar Bhardwaj

> > > > >

> > > > > On 3/27/08, kulbir bance <kulbirbance@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > kalsi ji; this opinion or research cannot be

recommended

> in hurry.

> > > > > > at least i will have to check the whole book. commenting

> upon ambiguity in

> > > > > > lalkitab is a serious matter and needs a thourough

> analysis before

> > > > > > commenting.

> > > > > > i need some time. we have not yet decoded the basis of

> varshphal.

> > > > > > don't we admit it as it is because we don't have any

> logic. do we have any

> > > > > > logic as to on what basis and logics pt ji assigned

> directions in a makkan

> > > > > > kundli. don't we acept it as such. why do we accept

house

> no. 1 as lagna?

> > > > > > because it is written as such in the book.

> > > > > > we accept darvesh as karkattwa of ketu. why?

> > > > > > we accept house no 8 aspects 2 but 2 doesn't aspect 8

why?

> > > > > > only sun and moon in house no 9 aspect house no 5.

> > > > > > budh in 11 inauspicious till 34 years does shashtri

> jyotish takes it

> > > > > > so, then why do we?

> > > > > > ambiguity is a very serious word and puts the whole

system/

> book

> > > > > > under suspicion.

> > > > > > 2+2 are not always 4 in this system because it has a

> philosphy of it

> > > > > > own.

> > > > > > *but i further ur request by adding that silence will

> amount to

> > > > > > acceptance. therefore senior members should object

> expressly or their

> > > > > > silence will be interpretted as acceptance.*

> > > > > > lalkitab is above all personal liasions or differences.

> hence one

> > > > > > should give his opinion openly and freely.

> > > > > > i shall definitely send in mine once i go through the

book

> and

> > > > > > consult my gurus of lalkitab.

> > > > > > kulbirbance

> > > > > >

> > > > > > On 3/26/08, Shivdev Kalsi <shivdev.kalsi@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Respected Prabhakar Ji, Bhatia Ji, Nirmal Ji ,

kulbir

> ji Thakur

> > > > > > > Ji, Khattar Ji, Kondal Ji , Shukla Ji and all senior

> members,

> > > > > > > This group is claimed to be doing research oriented

> studies

> > > > > > > lalkitab with the backing of so many others including

> all of above. Another

> > > > > > > group doing discussion in Lalkitab ' Namely " lalkitab

> Discussion group " has

> > > > > > > found an ambiguity in lalkitab and claimed that the

> general directions are

> > > > > > > different other than makan Kundli. Their invention

seems

> to be

> > > > > > > genuine.This is a path breaking

> > > > > > > research. Hence Your

> > > > > > > reccomendation are necessary in this regard as you are

> the senior most members of this system

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > --

> > > > > > > Dr. Shiv Dev Kalsi,

> > > > > > > Jyotish Rishi (AIFAS)

> > > > > > > Consultant (Vedic Astrology)

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > --

> > > > Dr. Shiv Dev Kalsi,

> > > > Jyotish Rishi (AIFAS)

> > > > Consultant (Vedic Astrology)

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> > --

> > Dr. Shiv Dev Kalsi,

> > Jyotish Rishi (AIFAS)

> > Consultant (Vedic Astrology)

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Kulbir Ji,Please read the Pakke ghar and answers lies there.I think we discussed it during one of the group meeting. " Kee hoya jey Rahu kaa asmaan hai, per Guru di samadhi to dhartitay hee hundi hai "

How does it matter that Rahu own sky , The Guru's smadhi place is on earth. RegardsNirmal Kumar BhardwajOn 3/30/08, kulbirbance <kulbirbance wrote:

 

Nirmal ji as already stated i couldn't mark the direction of sky over head according to lk it denotes 12 th house but at the same time 12 house denotes soth east. kulbirbance , " Nirmal Kumar

Bhardwaj " <nirbhar wrote: > > Dear Kalsi Ji, > Kulbir Ji, has given the partial answer in his reply. Your contention > that every object has a direction is right to the extent if you

> consider it from ones own angle. I you and every one can point out > the direction of all the items around except himself. This is the > secret where Lalkitab clears the issue. > With this excercise,Every one fails to identify his own direction.

> Neither you no Kulbir ji can give difinite answer regarding one,s own > position. > It is khana No. 9 which gives one own direction i.e. Centre of the > whole direction system or we can say as reference point.

> As such there is no ambiguity in the system of Lalkitab,but it is > ambiguity in our way of understanding the system. > Regards > Nirmal Kumar Bhardwaj > > > , " Shivdev

> Kalsi " <shivdev.kalsi@> wrote: > > > > Dear Nirmal Ji, > > I have checked all the sides every object has the direction > allocated. Still > > my stand is clear.

> > Yours > > Shiv Dev Kalsi > > > > On Sun, Mar 30, 2008 at 2:58 PM, Nirmal Kumar Bhardwaj > <nirbhar@> > > wrote: > > > > > Dear Kalsi Ji,

> > > A doubt is created in your mind. These type of doubts hamper the > further > > > study of the subject. > > > Let us do an exercise. Any one can do it. > > > Stand anywhere in your house,city,place as per your

convenience. > > > make a list of objects exist > > > North Direction > > > South > > > East > > > West > > > NE > > > NW > > > SE

> > > SW > > > & any more detailed direction one can assume. > > > It may look as a kiddish exercise, Let us do it as it may lead > to some > > > solution. > > > Regards

> > > > > > > > > > > > On 3/30/08, Shivdev Kalsi <shivdev.kalsi@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Nirmal Ji, > > > > It is a universal truth that every being on the earth is

> having a > > > > direction. No objects exists without > > > > direction. In Kitab One direction is not given to any khana > while khana 9 is not given any direction. > > > > Is it not an ambiguity.

> > > > Regards > > > > Shiv Dev Kalsi > > > > On 3/27/08, Nirmal Kumar Bhardwaj <nirbhar@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Kalsi Ji,

> > > > > I dont think any one of the addressees thinks that he is > fully > > > > > mastered the > > > > > Lalkitab. It is a great Book. It is not written by an

> ordinary person. > > > > > I ensure you that each and every point regarding the > lalkitab shall > > > > > discussed in detail. > > > > > Please Give your point of view where do you feel that

there > is > > > > > ambiguity in lalkitab. How do you feel that directions are > not defined in > > > > > lalkitab. > > > > > Please try tbe elaborative in the issue.

> > > > > Regards > > > > > Nirmal Kumar Bhardwaj > > > > > > > > > > On 3/27/08, kulbir bance <kulbirbance@> wrote: > > > > > >

> > > > > > kalsi ji; this opinion or research cannot be recommended > in hurry. > > > > > > at least i will have to check the whole book. commenting > upon ambiguity in

> > > > > > lalkitab is a serious matter and needs a thourough > analysis before > > > > > > commenting. > > > > > > i need some time. we have not yet decoded the basis of

> varshphal. > > > > > > don't we admit it as it is because we don't have any > logic. do we have any > > > > > > logic as to on what basis and logics pt ji assigned

> directions in a makkan > > > > > > kundli. don't we acept it as such. why do we accept house > no. 1 as lagna? > > > > > > because it is written as such in the book.

> > > > > > we accept darvesh as karkattwa of ketu. why? > > > > > > we accept house no 8 aspects 2 but 2 doesn't aspect 8 why? > > > > > > only sun and moon in house no 9 aspect house no 5.

> > > > > > budh in 11 inauspicious till 34 years does shashtri > jyotish takes it > > > > > > so, then why do we? > > > > > > ambiguity is a very serious word and puts the whole

system/ > book > > > > > > under suspicion. > > > > > > 2+2 are not always 4 in this system because it has a > philosphy of it > > > > > > own.

> > > > > > *but i further ur request by adding that silence will > amount to > > > > > > acceptance. therefore senior members should object > expressly or their

> > > > > > silence will be interpretted as acceptance.* > > > > > > lalkitab is above all personal liasions or differences. > hence one > > > > > > should give his opinion openly and freely.

> > > > > > i shall definitely send in mine once i go through the book > and > > > > > > consult my gurus of lalkitab. > > > > > > kulbirbance

> > > > > > > > > > > > On 3/26/08, Shivdev Kalsi <shivdev.kalsi@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Respected Prabhakar Ji, Bhatia Ji, Nirmal Ji ,

kulbir > ji Thakur > > > > > > > Ji, Khattar Ji, Kondal Ji , Shukla Ji and all senior > members, > > > > > > > This group is claimed to be doing research oriented

> studies > > > > > > > lalkitab with the backing of so many others including > all of above. Another > > > > > > > group doing discussion in Lalkitab ' Namely " lalkitab

> Discussion group " has > > > > > > > found an ambiguity in lalkitab and claimed that the > general directions are > > > > > > > different other than makan Kundli. Their invention

seems > to be > > > > > > > genuine.This is a path breaking > > > > > > > research. Hence Your > > > > > > > reccomendation are necessary in this regard as you are

> the senior most members of this system > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > Dr. Shiv Dev Kalsi, > > > > > > > Jyotish Rishi (AIFAS)

> > > > > > > Consultant (Vedic Astrology) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > -- > > > > Dr. Shiv Dev Kalsi, > > > > Jyotish Rishi (AIFAS) > > > > Consultant (Vedic Astrology) > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Dr. Shiv Dev Kalsi, > > Jyotish Rishi (AIFAS) > > Consultant (Vedic Astrology) > >

>

[Guest guest]

kulbir jee/ kalsi jee/ iqbal jee

mein yeh dekh ( padh ) rahan hoon ki yahan par sirf galtian dekhi ja

rahi hain ki prabhakar sahib ke gutka mein yeh galti , woh galti

hai, lal kitab ko koi nahi padna nahi chahta, jab ki lk mein saaf

saaf likha hai ki kitab ko baar baar pado, har baar naya hi milega.

agar aap ek baar padoge to issi mein ulajh jayoge, aajkal direction

ki baat chal rahi hai, usse kya farak padega , mein nahi janta.makan

kundli dekh kar kya aap yahan shani chahiye wahan lohe ka sandook (

badam)rakhwa ke kya result logo, batayen. ya aap kya hasil karna

chahte hain bataye.

 

mahajan

, " Iqbal Chand Thakur "

<thakur.iqbalchand wrote:

>

> Bhai Kalsi Sahib,

> Kis chakkar mein pad gaye ho. Lalkitab Padhtey jao sab kuchh saaf

hota

> jayega. Aisi cheezein aapka dhyaan pedhney se door hataayengi, jo

nuqsaandeh

> hai. Jab aap paanchon kitabein ek bar padh logey to sabh giley

> shikivey door ho jaayenge. Yo sabhi jo ultay fultay swaal khadey ho

> rahey hain sabhi kaa jawaab kitaab de degi. baaqi aapki marzi hai,

iss

> chakker mein jitna padogey ulajhatey jaaogey.

> aapka

> Iqbal Chand Thakur

>

> On 3/30/08, Shivdev Kalsi <shivdev.kalsi wrote:

> >

> > Dear Nirmal Ji,

> > It is a universal truth that every being on the earth is having a

> > direction. No objects exists without

> > direction. In Kitab One direction is not given to any khana

while khana 9 is not given any direction.

> > Is it not an ambiguity.

> > Regards

> > Shiv Dev Kalsi

> > On 3/27/08, Nirmal Kumar Bhardwaj <nirbhar wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Kalsi Ji,

> > > I dont think any one of the addressees thinks that he is fully

mastered

> > > the Lalkitab. It is a great Book. It is not written by an

ordinary person.

> > > I ensure you that each and every point regarding the lalkitab

shall

> > > discussed in detail.

> > > Please Give your point of view where do you feel that there is

ambiguity

> > > in lalkitab. How do you feel that directions are not defined

in lalkitab.

> > > Please try tbe elaborative in the issue.

> > > Regards

> > > Nirmal Kumar Bhardwaj

> > >

> > > On 3/27/08, kulbir bance <kulbirbance wrote:

> > > >

> > > > kalsi ji; this opinion or research cannot be recommended in

hurry. at

> > > > least i will have to check the whole book. commenting upon

ambiguity in

> > > > lalkitab is a serious matter and needs a thourough analysis

before

> > > > commenting.

> > > > i need some time. we have not yet decoded the basis of

varshphal.

> > > > don't we admit it as it is because we don't have any logic.

do we have any

> > > > logic as to on what basis and logics pt ji assigned

directions in a makkan

> > > > kundli. don't we acept it as such. why do we accept house

no. 1 as lagna?

> > > > because it is written as such in the book.

> > > > we accept darvesh as karkattwa of ketu. why?

> > > > we accept house no 8 aspects 2 but 2 doesn't aspect 8 why?

> > > > only sun and moon in house no 9 aspect house no 5.

> > > > budh in 11 inauspicious till 34 years does shashtri jyotish

takes it

> > > > so, then why do we?

> > > > ambiguity is a very serious word and puts the whole

system/book under

> > > > suspicion.

> > > > 2+2 are not always 4 in this system because it has a

philosphy of it

> > > > own.

> > > > *but i further ur request by adding that silence will amount

to

> > > > acceptance. therefore senior members should object expressly

or their

> > > > silence will be interpretted as acceptance.*

> > > > lalkitab is above all personal liasions or differences.

hence one

> > > > should give his opinion openly and freely.

> > > > i shall definitely send in mine once i go through the book

and consult

> > > > my gurus of lalkitab.

> > > > kulbirbance

> > > >

> > > > On 3/26/08, Shivdev Kalsi <shivdev.kalsi wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Respected Prabhakar Ji, Bhatia Ji, Nirmal Ji , kulbir ji

Thakur

> > > > > Ji, Khattar Ji, Kondal Ji , Shukla Ji and all senior

members,

> > > > > This group is claimed to be doing research oriented studies

> > > > > lalkitab with the backing of so many others including all

of above. Another

> > > > > group doing discussion in Lalkitab ' Namely " lalkitab

Discussion group " has

> > > > > found an ambiguity in lalkitab and claimed that the

general directions are

> > > > > different other than makan Kundli. Their invention seems

to be

> > > > > genuine.This is a path breaking

> > > > > research. Hence Your

> > > > > reccomendation are necessary in this regard as you are the

senior most members of this system

> > > > >

> > > > > --

> > > > > Dr. Shiv Dev Kalsi,

> > > > > Jyotish Rishi (AIFAS)

> > > > > Consultant (Vedic Astrology)

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

> >

> > --

> > Dr. Shiv Dev Kalsi,

> > Jyotish Rishi (AIFAS)

> > Consultant (Vedic Astrology)

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Bhai Kulbir,Main Jo ab taq samjha hoon usi ko madhe nazar rakh kar baat karta hoon. Bhai Jab taq aab sabhi kitabon koo ek bar padh nahin letey tab taq is kee bariqiyon per gaur karna bahut mushkil hoga. Ab aap log har baat ka logic lagana chahtey ho aur voh bhee kitabon ke padhey bagair. Jis trah se aap aksa lshzon ke mayney poochhatey hain us hisab se Mere khyal hai ki apbhi taq aap ney poori kitabein nahin padhi hain. Doosri baat abhi taq shayad puraney khiladiyon mein se shayad aap hee baqi reh gaye ho jin ko urdu zubaan se nafrat hai. Bhai aap hum urdu kee lal kitab ko padhney waaley logon ko to urdu naveez keh ker mazaaq udaatey ho,aur khud chhotey chhotey lafzon ke liye kabhi idha kabhi udhar bhaagtey firtey ho.

Bhai muaff karna kuchhh talkhi se likh raha hoon. Umer mein bada hoon(aap ki janam ke tareekh group kee mail mein dekhi thee) is liye mein is talkhi kee himaqat karney ka gunahgaar ban raha hoon. Jatt to Lokaanko Dene Wala Hunda hai, Mangan Wala Nahin,

Apna aadhey se jyada keemti time to aap lafzon ke matlab doondney,sahi yaa galat poochhney mein hee gaal detey ho, Bhai Urdu seekho aur urdu kee asli kitabein padha karo, fir dekho yeh kulbir kahaan pahunch jayega. Baaqi aap ki marji.

Aapka apna Iqbal Chand ThakurOn 3/30/08, kulbir bance <kulbirbance wrote:

 

thakur ji; it is an overstatement; had it come from someone who has understood all the concepts by this method, would have been welcome but i am sorry to say that it doesn't befits somone who stumbles at the basics. have you yourself read and understood all the volumes. what's the problem if someone is keen to understand the principles. aap phir se dooron ko chakkar mein na padne ki nasiyat dene lage; kya aap chakkar se bahar aa gaye. bhai ji nasiyaton se pehle kuch to batao; aap ne kya samjha.

sincerelykulbirbance On 3/30/08, Iqbal Chand Thakur <thakur.iqbalchand wrote:

Bhai Kalsi Sahib,Kis chakkar mein pad gaye ho. Lalkitab Padhtey jao sab kuchh saaf hota jayega. Aisi cheezein aapka dhyaan pedhney se door hataayengi, jo nuqsaandeh hai. Jab aap paanchon kitabein ek bar padh logey to sabh giley shikivey door ho jaayenge. Yo sabhi jo ultay fultay swaal khadey ho rahey hain sabhi kaa jawaab kitaab de degi. baaqi aapki marzi hai, iss chakker mein jitna padogey ulajhatey jaaogey.

aapka Iqbal Chand Thakur On 3/30/08, Shivdev Kalsi <shivdev.kalsi wrote:

Dear Nirmal Ji,It is a universal truth that every being on the earth is having a direction. No objects exists without direction. In Kitab One direction is not given to any khana while khana 9 is not given any direction.

Is it not an ambiguity.RegardsShiv Dev Kalsi On 3/27/08, Nirmal Kumar Bhardwaj <nirbhar wrote:

Dear Kalsi Ji,I dont think any one of the addressees thinks that he is fully mastered the Lalkitab. It is a great Book. It is not written by an ordinary person.

I ensure you that each and every point regarding the lalkitab shall discussed in detail. Please Give your point of view where do you feel that there is ambiguity in lalkitab. How do you feel that directions are not defined in lalkitab.

Please try tbe elaborative in the issue.RegardsNirmal Kumar BhardwajOn 3/27/08, kulbir bance <kulbirbance wrote:

kalsi ji; this opinion or research cannot be recommended in hurry. at least i will have to check the whole book. commenting upon ambiguity in lalkitab is a serious matter and needs a thourough analysis before commenting.

i need some time. we have not yet decoded the basis of varshphal. don't we admit it as it is because we don't have any logic. do we have any logic as to on what basis and logics pt ji assigned directions in a makkan kundli. don't we acept it as such. why do we accept house no. 1 as lagna? because it is written as such in the book.

we accept darvesh as karkattwa of ketu. why?we accept house no 8 aspects 2 but 2 doesn't aspect 8 why?only sun and moon in house no 9 aspect house no 5.budh in 11 inauspicious till 34 years does shashtri jyotish takes it so, then why do we?

ambiguity is a very serious word and puts the whole system/book under suspicion.2+2 are not always 4 in this system because it has a philosphy of it own. but i further ur request by adding that silence will amount to acceptance. therefore senior members should object expressly or their silence will be interpretted as acceptance.

lalkitab is above all personal liasions or differences. hence one should give his opinion openly and freely.i shall definitely send in mine once i go through the book and consult my gurus of lalkitab.

kulbirbance On 3/26/08, Shivdev Kalsi <shivdev.kalsi wrote:

Respected Prabhakar Ji, Bhatia Ji, Nirmal Ji , kulbir ji Thakur Ji, Khattar Ji, Kondal Ji , Shukla Ji and all senior members,This group is claimed to be doing research oriented studies lalkitab with the backing of so many others including all of above. Another group doing discussion in Lalkitab ' Namely " lalkitab Discussion group " has found an ambiguity in lalkitab and claimed that the general directions are different other than makan Kundli. Their invention seems to be genuine.This is a path breaking

research. Hence Your reccomendation are necessary in this regard as you are the senior most members of this system -- Dr. Shiv Dev Kalsi,Jyotish Rishi (AIFAS)Consultant (Vedic Astrology)

-- Dr. Shiv Dev Kalsi,Jyotish Rishi (AIFAS)Consultant (Vedic Astrology)