Correction 1941 gutka / murabba thakur ji

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thakur ji; if typing mistakes can accur in the present day printing

with advanced technology at hand. it is possible that words could

have been printed incorrectly in 1941; didn't pt ji himself

rectified the corections in 1939 by publishing a darustinama in 1940

edition; darusti of 1942 edition was also done. pt ji didn't

handwrite the books himself; couldn't a wrong word be printed which

escaped his notice. even if the word is exactly the same as printed

in the original version; it has to be in accordance with the spirt

of logics and grammer of lalkitab system.

if for accademics sake we assume that the word in the original is

murraba, then also its worth has to be ascertained.

lalkitabee shukla ji has described and proved the appropriation of

the word marlaj at length; if someone disagrees with that he will

have to write a parrallel explanation explaning appropriation of

word murraba at length.

quoting page no of books don't solve the purpose as i repeat pt. ji

himself admitted mistakes in printing.

aapka chela

kulbirbance

 

, " Iqbal Chand Thakur "

<thakur.iqbalchand wrote:

>

> Respected Yograj bhai aur Nirmal Ji,

> Navik jee ne bilkul theek kaha hai. Ye lafz meem, ray, bay aur

ain ko mila

> kar bana hai. ye sabhi naujavaan jo marabba ko marlaz bata rahe

hain , taaze

> taaze rangroot hain urdu key. Naye

> rangruton se ye galti ho hee jaati hai. Ye sabhi ain ko jeem hee

padh

> rahe hain.

> Bhai Bura mat manana in kee baaton ka.

> Barsati naalay kaa paani yaa nadi apney muhaney se jab taazi taazi

> nikalti hai to bahut chhalaangey lagati zaati hai per jyon hee

> samunder ke paas paas pahunchati hai thandi shaant shaant hoti

jaati

> hai. Ye sabhi taazi nadiyaan hai. Ufaan maarengi.

> Yeh in ka swabhav lagta hai. Kuchh time ke baad sabhi ko ehsaas ho

jayega.

> Aap apney kaam per lagey raho. Rahu ke us haathi kee tarah jis ka

mahavet

> Mangal nek hai aur jiskey ooper Guru ka singhasan hai.

> Bhai apna goal yaad rakho. Bhagwaan aapko apney mission mein

kamyab

> karey yehi meri ichcha hai.

> Navik Bhai aap urdu ke mahir lagte ho. Aap ka yogdaan bhee achcha

raha.

> Shukriya

> Aapka

> Iqbal Chand Thakur

>

> On 3/20/08, Navik <navik80 wrote:

> >

> > Respected Bhardwaj sb,

> >

> > You are absolutely right, this word is murabba ( *مربع*)

mean square (

> > char konay wala) .

> >

> > meem, ray, bay, ain.

> >

> > Thanks

> >

> > *NKB <nirbhar* wrote:

> >

> > Respected Shukla Ji,

> > Thoda Saans le liya karo raastey mein

> > .Prabhu ji ye word hamney apney aap se nahin joda ye sahi hai

> > Ye word Marlaj Nahin Hai

> > agar possible ho to Zara aap likh Kar dikhayenge kee Zeem

category words

> > ke saath aur murrabba aur Marlaz word kaisey likha jaa sakta

> > hai. thoda kasht to hoga per Aap kee meharbani hogi.

> > vaisay mein likhney kee koshish kar raha hoon ho sakta hai kee

mein galat

> > houn kyon kee main urdu ka itna expert to nahin haan padh jaroor

leta hoon

> > aap kee trah. Zara browser kee encoding UTF-8 per set kerlein.

> > marlaz -- ã'¡Ì¦lt;br> murabba -- ã'ˆÍ¦lt;br>prabhu ji ye tooti

footi

> > knowledge ke hisab

> > se likha hai. abb aap faisla karlo ki kisko maanana hai aur

kisko nahin. Baaqi rahi correction kee bat vo tau Prabhakar jee ke

aaney ke baad hee ho sakti hai.

> >

> > Regards

> > Nirmal Kumar Bhardwaj

> >

> >

> >

> > >

> > > ---------- Forwarded message ----------

> > > lalkitabee <lalkitabee

> > > Mar 20, 2008 1:46 AM

> > > LK discussion group Re: Correction 1941 gutka /

murabba

> > > / marlaj Nirmal ji

> > >

> > >

> > > Respected Nirmal Ji

> > > Again u r on mistake. Sabse pehley to yah baat dekhne ki hai

ki Urdu

> > > main * " MURABBA* " kaise likha jataa hai. Kisi bhi nazariye se

lalkitab

> > > main page 111 line # 11 of word* 'Marlaj'* ko proof reading

ke dauraan

> > > * " Murabba " main tabdeel karne ka kyaa haq hai aapko?Jabki

Pujya Pandit

> > > ji ne aisa likha hee nahee. Aap aur prabhaker ji aur anya

experts jo ki is

> > > kitaab ke logics par bhi charchaa karnaa galat samajhtey they

aur hoo-ba-hoo

> > > ise sweekar karne ki vaqaalat kartey they to aap logon ne khud

hee is word

> > > ko tabdeel karne ki himaaqat kyon kee?* Ab is baat ki kyaa

guarantee hai

> > > ki aapne URDU KEE ORIGINAL kitaab se aur koyee chhed-chhad

nahi ki hai.

> > > Reliabilty to aapne khatm hee kar dee.Aaj agar is tarah

galatiyaan

> > > dhyaan main na laayee jaatee to aap log aam readers ko bevkoof

banaa rahey

> > > they.Jaisa likhaa tha vaisaa hee chhaap detey.Kyaa harz tha

ismain.

> > > Chalo khair ab aap logon ne proof reading kartey huve

agar ise

> > > apni samajh ke mutabik Mangal Nek kee pehchaan ke taur par

iska matlab

> > > Chaukor (Square) ya square hand hee liyaa hai ,to yah aur bhi

mitti paleet

> > > kar dee hai ,arth ka anarth kar daalaa hai. Itne urdu navees

milkar bhi is

> > > line ke poorey maksad ko samajh nahi paaye aur tabad tod

main " marlaz " se

> > > " Murabba " bana diyaa. Sahi main is line ke matlab kaa hee

murabba banaa

> > > daalaa aapne.

> > > Nirmal Ji Line hai :-- *SHANI KE GHAR YE RAJAA CHEETA,MARD

MAGAR

> > > NAHI MAARTA HAI .

> > > HONT BAAZOO YA

MUNH KA

> > > DAHAANA, HAATH MARLAJ HOTAA HAI.

> > > *Nirmal ji gaur se poorey chapter ko padhtey to khud ba khud

pataa lag

> > > jaataa ki mangal nek main bhi SURAJ AUR BUDH hotey hain aur

*budh ise

> > > chakkar detaa hai to mandaa mangal ho jaata hai.* Matlab

*Mangal=

> > > masnuyee Sooraj+ Budh* bhi hotaa hai aur yah shani ke ghar

main insaan

> > > ko apni neki ke taur par jaan se to nahi maartaa lekin hath

bejaan kar

> > > saktaa hai , jabki shani ke ghar main yah pakke ghar ki

vrishchik rashi ka

> > > hotaa hai.

> > > Aaap jaraa ab apne isi gutkey ke Page 125 main Mangal

khana 8 ki

> > > heading main khud hee padh lain-- aap logon ne hee saaf

tarzumaa kiyaa hai

> > > ki -* " GRAHFAL KA, JAB MANGAL BAD HO. BAJUON KE BAGAIR BAAQI

JISM " Iske

> > > alawaa aap 1942 ke *URDU EDITION ke *page no.165 *main line no

*15* main

> > > bhi isi baat ko *MANGAL NEK khana 8 *main padh saktey

hain.Mangalshastradhari ya nek ka chapter hone ka yah matlab nahi ki

aap samajh na aane

> > > par usmain *MANGAL NEK* ki pehchaan ya ashiyaa ko fer-badal kar

> > > highlight kartey huve apne tarike se hee apni baat ko

*ORIGINAL LALKITAB

> > > * ke hissey ke taur par sabit karne lag jaayain.Fir bhi aap

logon ne yah

> > > kyon kiyaa.

> > > Itnaa khulaasaa karne ke baad bhi agar

aapko meri

> > > likhi baat ka koyee hissa samajh naa aaye to main aapko vah

hissa fir

> > > explain kar doonga, line ke ooper neechey aur aagey peechhey

ki sair karvane

> > > ki koshish kabhi nahi karoongaa.

> > > Ab to aapki nazar main saaf ho jaana chahiye ki Pujya Pandit

Ji ne us

> > > line main ise Mangal nek ki pehchaan ke taur par nahi liyaa,

balki aap logon

> > > ne hee lalkitab main apnaa urdu gyaan dhakkey se daal diyaa

aur Murabba

> > > chatnee tayyar karne lag gaye ,ya fir *aapne bhi koyee DALDA

book ko hee

> > > kuchh roop badal kar copy kar diya.* Kyaa mere yaar ek galati

ko

> > > chhupane ke liye 10 tukkey lagaa rahey ho.Prabhakar ji bhi itne

> > > samajhdaar hokar kuchh nahi bol rahey. Arrey yah koyee jaroori

thodey he hai

> > > ki ek insaan jo urdu padh saktaa ho vah iske roop ko badalkar

durust hee kar

> > > rahaa hogaa. Galat bhi to kar saktaa hai. Baaqi aap khud

samajhdaar hain.

> > > Main apne aapko rok nahi sakaa. Yah dhoka mujhse bardaasht

nahi hua . Koyee

> > > baat buri lagi ho to muafi chahtaa hoon.

> > > aapkaa Shubhchintak

> > > Pt. Lalkitabee

> > > , " varun_trvd "

> > > <varun_trvd@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Respected members,

> > > >

> > > > I have received the following communication from respected

Nirmal

> > > > Kumar Bhardwaj ji :

> > > >

> > > > Regards,

> > > >

> > > > Varun Trivedi

> > > >

> > > > Respected Lalkitabi Ji Varun ji, & Kulbir Ji,

> > > >

> > > > The errors pointing out by you is welcome. I admit that

these are

> > > > the errors left during proof reading. I will try to make it

possible

> > > > to send these corrections to all the purchasers. The errors

are form

> > > > my end hence regretted.

> > > > This is regarding the error pointed out by Varun ji,

> > > > on page 111 line # 11 of word 'Murabba'.

> > > > the word indeed is 'murabba' not 'marlaj' . A lot of

dsicussions

> > > > were held during proof reading to decide the correct word.

on the

> > > > first instance it seems that it is marlaz. As you explained

that

> > > > there may be meaning of Marlaj as Dheela Dhala. burt the

Mangal nek

> > > > has nothing to with Dheela Dhala. Mangal nek is Policeman,

Army Man

> > > > hence Dheela pan is not his nature.

> > > > The correct word is Murrabba which in urdu means Square.

> > > > Haath Murrabba means Square Hand. In punjab the area(square

unit) is

> > > > also be called as murrabba. Square is the symbol of Mangal

Nek.

> > > > Hence square hand also represent mangal nek.

> > > > Regards

> > > > Nirmal Kumar Bhardwaj

> > > > PS. Please send the copy of errors at nirbhar@ I shall be

> > > > obliged.

> > > >

> > >

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