Lal Kitab Discussion Group Lagan Sarni Further task

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Dear Kulbir Ji,

This is true. One can use this sarni.There may be difference of

maximum one sign not 6 signs as calculated by Miglani Ji, Trivedi Ji,

Tyagi Ji and Bhatia Ji. This one sign difference is nothing in

lalkitab as darusti is to be applied.

Though this is not of much use because for planetary position you

need the panchang or ephimeris of that year or you have to do manual

caluclations. We have better means now a days. So doing this tediuos

calculations is not reccommended.

But for academics let me explain the method because sometime one has

to make teva at once for the present year.

One has to keep in mind the LMT.The time in a country is based upon a

particular city or longitude.You have to deduct the time difference

of that city from statndard time of that country. You can find this

time difference from any present day Lagn sarni. It is generally given

In India It is at 82.5 degrees. For example Time difference for

chandigarh from this Base position is 22 minutes 40 seconds. At any

IST say 10.30 AM IST the LMT for Chandigarh will be 10.40.00-

0.22.40=10.17.20 AM

Step-1- calculate the LMT(Local mean Time) of that place.

Step-2 In that local mean time Add the Time difference of the city of

which you have the lagan sarni. This is to be added because the Lagan

Sarni these days are made on IST(Indian Standard time)

if you want to use this old sarni you need not to add any LMT as in

my view this sarni is made on LMT of Madras.

Step-3- From the time obtained in step-2 find the lagan from the

lagan sarni.

That is all.

This method is applicable universally.

You check up the file I uploaded in the files section for Lagan

calculations of different cities for cross checking.

Many astrologer asked that what to de with the time difference of

india and foriegn country. This is used to add or deduct suitable

figure from Lagn obtained due to movement of Sun to arrive at near

calculations. But this is not required of LK system.

Try this you will find the near to correct answer upto maximum of one

sign.

Regards

Nirmal Kumar Bhardwaj

 

 

, " kulbirbains " <kulbirbains

wrote:

>

> Nirmal ji, if that is true, it will be a pleasant surprise for all.

> kulbir , NKB <nirbhar@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Members,

> > It appears neither of the persons who gave

> > calculation for foriegn birth as well as Indian Birth read the

> > instruction of sarni. Please read

> > again.I could not find where it is written to use the converted

> time

> > to find the ascendent. All of you including Bhatia Ji has

> > misunderstood theese instructions

> > which results the all misinformation regarding Sarni.

> > Dear Varun Ji, you are not the new to do this mistake in

> calculation . Most

> > of the astrologers do this wrong method.I think Mr. Kalsi might

be

> knowing

> > the use of this erronous practice that is why he had played a

> great trick to

> > give same date and same time for different location, in my views,

> to give a

> > lesson to all those who do this wrong practice. You might not

> perused the

> > results in haste otherwise you may catch that trick. Any how this

> is Mr.

> > Kalsi has to see. For me I have done all the calcullations and

> found that

> > sarni is very near to correct except the birth in southern

> hemisphere which

> > i have to cross check again. These will be submitted to Mr. Kalsi.

> > In fact sarni is not the culprit, it is the persons who donot

> know how to

> > use a sarni.

> > Regarding your misunderstanding that the sarni made in India

> cannot be used

> > in foriegn Birth, you are mistaken. Sarni made with respect to

any

> standard

> > Time location can be used all over the world.Your mathemetical

> ability is

> > very good but not at right directions.

> > Let us see what the Mr. Kalsi has to say.

> > Regards

> > Nirmal Kumar Bhardwaj

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > On 11/7/07, varun_trvd <varun_trvd@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Respected Nirmal Kumar ji,

> > >

> > > It appears you haven't read the instructions in the Sarini.

Read

> the

> > > article of Bhatia ji on calculating the ascendant for foreign

> births

> > > from the files of the Lal Kitab group. You would know how the

> time of

> > > birth has to be worked out.

> > >

> > > Talking about the protocol, then a Sarini calculated at Indian

> > > Longitude and latitude should under no circumstances be used to

> > > calculate an ascendant for foreign births. Therefore we should

> not be

> > > talking about these things.

> > >

> > > We as a group are very well aware of the protocols to be

> followed when

> > > calculating the Ascendants. You might have assessed the

> mathematical

> > > ability of our group which is capable of working out these

> ascendants

> > > within minutes, be it through the Table of ascendants of Lahiri

> or

> > > through the Lal Kitab sarini.

> > >

> > > Nirmal ji, we are no longer interested in the Sarini. For us it

> is not

> > > even worth the paper it is printed on. I am sorry for having to

> use

> > > these strong words.

> > >

> > > Regards,

> > >

> > > Varun Trivedi

> > >

> > > <%

> 40>,

> > > NKB <nirbhar@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Respected Friends,

> > > > I was going through the procedure used by you to calculate

> ascendent

> > > > for foriegn birth as well as indian birth. while

> > > > calculating the foriegn birthascendent, all of you have

> converted the

> > > time

> > > > of foriegn birth to Indian time and then checked the

ascendent

> from

> > > sarni.

> > > > It is strange and unconventional protocol.

> > > > I may not be knowing , please guide me that under which

> principle of

> > > > astrology you have coverted the time to Indian time for

> calculation of

> > > > ascendent. As far as I remember there is no such principle in

> > > > astrology.

> > > > Regards

> > > > Nirmal Kumar Bhardwaj

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

>