Guest guest Posted October 27, 2007 Report Share Posted October 27, 2007 bhardwaj ji; amavas ki raat means there is no moon but the light of the stars is coming to earth hence this comes under influence of shukkr. but on a cloudy day or night there is total darkness. i.e . no light of sun, moon or stars reaches the surface of earth hence it comes under purview of saturn. other nights are under purview of moon. thanx kulbirbainsNirmal Kumar Bhardwaj <nirbhar wrote: You both are correct at your level.Vinay ji is talking about the Time allocated to a planet in a day for its effect.Kulbir Ji is talking about ascertainng the Time allocated to ascertain the Planet of Janam Waqt.I feel both are different issues. Vinay ji is trying to co-relate this timing in relation to Owning of Rashis and Pakka ghars.Vinay Ji I request you to be more elaborative in this topic. This seems to be new concept. Let the group member discuss what Vinay ji want to prove with this theoryKulbir ji , I request you to illustrate the difference between 4 & 7. Many New members may not be knowing difference between Amavas and kali RaatRegardsNirmal Kumar Bhardwaj , kulbir bains <kulbirbains wrote:>> vinay ji, thanx i missed it but please read the grammar portion as a whole the governing rule has been cited there for ur kind information i am reproducing it here.> 1. guru- suraj niklne se din ka pahla hissa.> 2. suraj- din niklane ke pehle hisse ke baad magar pakki dopahar se pehle.> 3. chandra- chandni raat.> 4. shukra - krishan paksh aur shukla paksh ki biich ki amavas ki raat> 5. mangal- poori dopahar ka hissa.> 6. budh- dopahar ke baad magar poori sham se pehle.> 7. kali raat ya ghanghor kale badal ka din.> 8. rahu- poori sham magar raat se pehle> 9. ketu - subah par suraj niklne sepehle.> > now what do u reccomend for janam waqt samay ka samay. time slot as forwarded by ur gudself or the above written. i think it is a fit case where the learned moderator should resolve this issue.> kulbirbains> > Vinay V <v4vedic wrote:> Dear Kulbir Ji,> You do not aware of the contents of The LalKitab. I am> citing very much from LalKitab it self.Please refer> farman 113 may be on page 117 of lalkitab1939 by beni> madhav goswami> Vinay > > --- kulbir bains <kulbirbains wrote:> > > vinay ji, the time allocated to diffeent planets is> > based upon sunrise and sunset. the sunrise nd sunset> > time keep on flutuating so i don't think time> > alloted to particular planets can be measured by> > universal watertight compartments. if u have some> > other logic please clarfy.> > i m afraid u have mixed shashtri jyotish with> > lalkitab.> > in lalkitab moon's time is chandni raat , shukrr's> > time is amavasya night. shani's time is kali ya> > ghanghor raat ya baadal ka din. according to ur> > analysis these planets must have a time slot in> > every 24 hours but it is not so.> > rahu's time is poori sham ki raat magar raat se> > pehle and ketu's is surya ke niklne se phle ka> > samay.> > i fail to understand on what basis u concluded> > this time distribution. according to ur anaylsis> > budh is the lowest gainer but lalkitab consides it> > as shaktimaan.> > please elaborate ur answer with due explanation> > kulbirbains.> > > > Vinay V <v4vedic wrote:> > There is little confusion in the times> > allocated to> > planets in lalkitab. Time allocated to the planets> > are> > Jup- 240 minutes> > Sun- 80 minutes> > Moon-40> > Shukar-120> > Mars-240> > Mercury-80> > Shani-240> > rahu-240> > ketu-120> > Total= 1400 minutes> > while the day is of 1440 minutes> > to whom this these 40 minutes allocated.> > > > Secondly from the above timing it can be seen that > > Jup- has 2 rashis and get 120 min for each> > Sun -- 1 - 80 min> > Moon 1 40> > shukar 2 60> > mars 2 120> > mercury 2 40> > shani 2 120> > Rahu 0 240> > Ketu 0 120 > > Rahu is emerging the highest minutes gainer moon and> > mercury lowest> > > > If we see from pakka ghar point of view> > Jup- has 4 pakkae ghar and get 60 min for each> > Sun -- 2 - 40 min> > Moon 1 40> > shukar 1 120> > mars 2 120> > mercury 1 80> > shani 3 80> > Rahu 1 240> > Ketu 1 120 > > Again Rahu is the highest gainer> > Above table shows that Rahu plays very important> > part> > in kundli.and Ketu is Second > > Therefore Rahu and ketu must be seen before giving> > any> > upaya> > regards> > Vinay> > > > Now you can chat without downloading messenger. Go> > to> > http://in.messenger./webmessengerpromo.php> > > > > > > > > > > > Kulbir Bains> > > > > > Why delete messages? Unlimited storage is just a> > click away.> > Flying to Bangalore or Bhopal? Search for tickets at http://in.farechase.> > > > > > Kulbir Bains> > > Chat on a cool, new interface. No download required. >Kulbir Bains Find a mall, hotel or ATM in any part of India. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 28, 2007 Report Share Posted October 28, 2007 I dont think that any doubt remains in the mind of members now regarding the difference between Kaali Ghanghor raat and amaavas raat. Thanks Kulbir Ji Nirmal Kumar Bhardwaj , kulbir bains <kulbirbains wrote: > > bhardwaj ji; amavas ki raat means there is no moon but the light of the stars is coming to earth hence this comes under influence of shukkr. but on a cloudy day or night there is total darkness. i.e . no light of sun, moon or stars reaches the surface of earth hence it comes under purview of saturn. other nights are under purview of moon. > thanx > kulbirbains > > Nirmal Kumar Bhardwaj <nirbhar wrote: > You both are correct at your level. > Vinay ji is talking about the Time allocated to a planet in a day for > its effect. > Kulbir Ji is talking about ascertainng the Time allocated to > ascertain the Planet of Janam Waqt. > I feel both are different issues. > Vinay ji is trying to co-relate this timing in relation to Owning of > Rashis and Pakka ghars. > Vinay Ji I request you to be more elaborative in this topic. This > seems to be new concept. Let the group member discuss what Vinay ji > want to prove with this theory > Kulbir ji , I request you to illustrate the difference between 4 & 7. > Many New members may not be knowing difference between Amavas and > kali Raat > Regards > Nirmal Kumar Bhardwaj > > , kulbir bains <kulbirbains@> > wrote: > > > > vinay ji, thanx i missed it but please read the grammar portion as > a whole the governing rule has been cited there for ur kind > information i am reproducing it here. > > 1. guru- suraj niklne se din ka pahla hissa. > > 2. suraj- din niklane ke pehle hisse ke baad magar pakki dopahar > se pehle. > > 3. chandra- chandni raat. > > 4. shukra - krishan paksh aur shukla paksh ki biich ki amavas ki > raat > > 5. mangal- poori dopahar ka hissa. > > 6. budh- dopahar ke baad magar poori sham se pehle. > > 7. kali raat ya ghanghor kale badal ka din. > > 8. rahu- poori sham magar raat se pehle > > 9. ketu - subah par suraj niklne sepehle. > > > > now what do u reccomend for janam waqt samay ka samay. time slot > as forwarded by ur gudself or the above written. i think it is a fit > case where the learned moderator should resolve this issue. > > kulbirbains > > > > Vinay V <v4vedic@> wrote: > > Dear Kulbir Ji, > > You do not aware of the contents of The LalKitab. I am > > citing very much from LalKitab it self.Please refer > > farman 113 may be on page 117 of lalkitab1939 by beni > > madhav goswami > > Vinay > > > > --- kulbir bains <kulbirbains@> wrote: > > > > > vinay ji, the time allocated to diffeent planets is > > > based upon sunrise and sunset. the sunrise nd sunset > > > time keep on flutuating so i don't think time > > > alloted to particular planets can be measured by > > > universal watertight compartments. if u have some > > > other logic please clarfy. > > > i m afraid u have mixed shashtri jyotish with > > > lalkitab. > > > in lalkitab moon's time is chandni raat , shukrr's > > > time is amavasya night. shani's time is kali ya > > > ghanghor raat ya baadal ka din. according to ur > > > analysis these planets must have a time slot in > > > every 24 hours but it is not so. > > > rahu's time is poori sham ki raat magar raat se > > > pehle and ketu's is surya ke niklne se phle ka > > > samay. > > > i fail to understand on what basis u concluded > > > this time distribution. according to ur anaylsis > > > budh is the lowest gainer but lalkitab consides it > > > as shaktimaan. > > > please elaborate ur answer with due explanation > > > kulbirbains. > > > > > > Vinay V <v4vedic@> wrote: > > > There is little confusion in the times > > > allocated to > > > planets in lalkitab. Time allocated to the planets > > > are > > > Jup- 240 minutes > > > Sun- 80 minutes > > > Moon-40 > > > Shukar-120 > > > Mars-240 > > > Mercury-80 > > > Shani-240 > > > rahu-240 > > > ketu-120 > > > Total= 1400 minutes > > > while the day is of 1440 minutes > > > to whom this these 40 minutes allocated. > > > > > > Secondly from the above timing it can be seen that > > > Jup- has 2 rashis and get 120 min for each > > > Sun -- 1 - 80 min > > > Moon 1 40 > > > shukar 2 60 > > > mars 2 120 > > > mercury 2 40 > > > shani 2 120 > > > Rahu 0 240 > > > Ketu 0 120 > > > Rahu is emerging the highest minutes gainer moon and > > > mercury lowest > > > > > > If we see from pakka ghar point of view > > > Jup- has 4 pakkae ghar and get 60 min for each > > > Sun -- 2 - 40 min > > > Moon 1 40 > > > shukar 1 120 > > > mars 2 120 > > > mercury 1 80 > > > shani 3 80 > > > Rahu 1 240 > > > Ketu 1 120 > > > Again Rahu is the highest gainer > > > Above table shows that Rahu plays very important > > > part > > > in kundli.and Ketu is Second > > > Therefore Rahu and ketu must be seen before giving > > > any > > > upaya > > > regards > > > Vinay > > > > > > Now you can chat without downloading messenger. Go > > > to > > > http://in.messenger./webmessengerpromo.php > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kulbir Bains > > > > > > > > > Why delete messages? Unlimited storage is just a > > > click away. > > > > Flying to Bangalore or Bhopal? Search for tickets at http:// > in.farechase. > > > > > > > > > > > > Kulbir Bains > > > > > > Chat on a cool, new interface. No download required. > > Kulbir Bains > > > Find a mall, hotel or ATM in any part of India. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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