Lal Kitab Discussion Group Results of Sarini Verification

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Dear Iqbal Ji,

It is not possible form to arrive at any conclusion without proper

birth data. If possibple send your birth detail,pattern of timing

observed at the city of birth and the chart which was made on the

basis of the sarni. The Varshphal details given by you insufficient

as far as my knowledge is concerned.

Regards

Nirmal Kumar Bhardwaj

, punjabilovebug wrote:

>

> Dear Nirmal Bhai,

>

> Perhaps you have not read my earlier post. I gave the varshphal

planets, the problems being faced and the planets for which remedies

have been applied.

>

> What else can possibly be taken as evidence? Rather than use

theoretical approaches use LK and the Lagna Sarini practically - that

is what I described in my post.

>

> Perhaps a 7th reading of my email would help you see that I have

shown the practical problems that were not solved when using Lagna

Sarini ... What point is the theory if its practical application has

had no benefit on my case?

>

> As a learned member Nirmal Bhai, why don't you take the following

birth planets and use Lagna Sarini to see if you can see either the

complaints I described earlier or not in my 31st year

>

> Lagna - Taurus

> 1-Jupiter

> 3-Saturn

> 5-Merc/Mars/Sun

> 6-Venus/Rahu

> 12-Ketu

>

> Nirmal Bhai please use these planets as the basis for your

investigation. As I showed in my post the remedies only helped me

when using my foreign birth not the Lagna Sarini.

>

> As for my experiences with others I highlighted those experiences

as they related to the application of the Lagna Sarini.

>

> Don't you dare try to minimize this debate as personal when I have

shown all methodologies and impersonal view of such events as they

related to my personal experiences.

>

> Please don't muddy the waters.

>

> Best Regards,

> Iqbal

> USA

>

> Sent via Blackberry

>

>

> NKB <nirbhar

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> Sun, 21 Oct 2007 22:01:28

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, lalkitab

> Lal Kitab Discussion Group Re: Results of

Sarini Verification

>

>

> Dear Iqbal Ji,

> You earlier sent this message six times. and is not approved. You

are a senior member that is why I have not rejected that message. but

Now I am sorry that I have to take this step.

> Iqbal Bhai, group is meant for discussion on specific issues

related to astrology dictats. Your these mails have nothing for the

members to discuss except describing your personal relations (good/

bad) with one of our senior members. 

> Regarding Lagan Sarni , write or wrong, None  of the members

including you has given any technical /solid

reasons to prove your point except Bhooshan Priya Ji, Shukla ji,

Varun Trivedi,MiglaniJi, Kalsi Ji and me who have discussed it

mathematically. 

> Iqbal Ji You even did not even read the Lagan Sarni nor you 

used it to make your Kundli yourself  with this sarni. What point do you think w\

e discuss in this mail. 

> You consulted Bhatia Ji or Somnath Ji, and paid money , it is your

personnel matter. There remedies work or not it is again the matter

between the client and server. Group will not involve itself in this

controversy.

> Bring some technical point regarding the wrong data in the sarni

that too with factual calculation, I will be the first person to

discuss the issue with you.Because group members will gain from such

type of discussions.

> But for the Group Sake please settle your individual Ranjish at

your end , donot involve group in to it.

>

> Iqbal Bhai, though discussions some time become hot but that is a

temporary moment and members recover it quickly. We love each and

every member of our group You are also one of them.

Please dont take rejection on the negative side. since you have

posted this message in other groups so i have to forward this

messsage to clarify group's stand.

> Let keep our attention on other issues of LalKitab.Sarni is

just a helping tool like a computer software. Let it be for the

person who use it. Since you,

I and most of our members donot use this sarni, and we have other better means t\

hen let this discussion be amongst the few mad people including me,

you are welcome to be part of this mad group but with certain

technical/mathematical points.

>

> Regards

>

> ---------- Forwarded message ----------

> punjabilovebug@ <punjabilovebug

> girish_raheja@ <girish_raheja .co.in

,varun_trvd (AT) (DOT) <varun_trvd co.in

> Sun, 21 Oct 2007 14:19:26 +0000

> Fw: Lal Kitab Discussion Group Re: Results of Sarini

Verification

>

> This is the posting Nirmal Ji has censored so that other forum

members may not know the truth of this debate.

>

> Dozens and dozens of people who supported me against the tirade of

those who consider themselved " holier than thou " have also seen this

posting.

>

> Nirmal Bhai what is untruthful in the posting below that you did

not post it? It is 100% my own experience - why be afraid of the

truth respected Bhai?

>

> On one hand we want the truth and on the second hand you refrain

from sharing it.

>

> Best Regards,

> Iqbal

> USA

>

> Tue, 16 Oct 2007 13:23:59

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> Re: Re: Lal Kitab Discussion Group Re:

Conrtoversy over Lagan Sarnee SOLVED FOR IQBAL

>

>

> Dear Nirmal Bhai,

>

> Please ensure your usage of examples with real upayes prescribed

for the issues being faced once the Sarine approach has been applied

for foreign births.

>

> It has been one week and I have been hoping for a response from

Yograj Bhai but he is being silent on the issues of providing

examples of where he himself has used this lagna sarini with success.

>

> Yograj Bhai please come forward and enlighten the group on your

application of this approach which you defended as pseudo-

intelligencia in your last post. Please don't be shy and illustrate

your points with examples for the benefits of all involved.

>

> Nirmal Bhai please use examples of where you may have applied this

approach with success.

>

> The reason why Pandit Ji's family has not released the notes and

writings of Pandit Ji's own research is because (and I heard this

with my own ears) they wanted to make money through LK and felt their

father (Pandit Ji) made a grave mistake in publishing the LK in the

marketplace. They view any knowledge and research as their own

prerogative free to charge for it or prevent the public from having

it to boost their own place within the LK community. Suddenly it

becomes an issue of having " secret " or " unpublished " documents of

Pandit Ji which means that the public should give them attention for

they may have critical ideas and applications that are secret. This

is their Modus Operandi and indeed also the one being used by forum

members who are not sharing these writings, notes or thoughts with

the broader LK community.

>

> Nirmal Ji - Do you know that when Pandit Ji's own son cast my

kundli using this approach he came up with different results than

Rajinder Bhatia? He is the one Bhatia Ji asks to look at his own

tewas and for coaching on analyzing other peoples tewas as well. So I

visited him and much to my surprise none of his statements about my

personal family or situation were true - but he claimed they had to

be true. Was I supposed to lie and just accept his inaccuracies or

try to uncover why this Lagna Sarini approach doesn't work for

foreign births?

>

> Then Rajinder Bhatia applied this approach and got different result

from Pandit Ji's son in Toronto. Yet both claim this approach is

infallible!! Then why can't they achieve similar results if this is

supposed to be an unspoken truth?

>

> Then, Rajinder Bhatia was unable to find any indiciation of

problems I was facing from my kundli when using this approach. He

even told me that I think your Venus is indeed in the 6th meaning my

foreign birth chart and corresponding varshphal was indeed VALID.

>

> Now instead of allowing my post to publish he wrote a tirade where

he not only tried to mask his own insecurities on this issue of Lagna

Sarini but questioned why I wasn't blaiming the doctors for my health

issues being faced.

>

> When I asked him to look at my kundli he told me I know you may be

in pain but it would have to wait as he was writing an introduction

to the recent publication on LK. His own desire to publish his

thoughts became the prima facie instead of his desire to help someone

in distress. Then, in his last posting on this topic he said many

things in capitalized letters which broke the rules in the forum. I

have not responded to that post because of its sheer insulting nature

- If we was a decent man he would not have written such rubbish.

>

> He even disclosed the personal details of his client (me) to

thousands of people in the forum. What to say about moral

responsibility or even common decency? I am perplexed why he needs to

resort to shouting in his posts (through capitalized letters)

breaking the protocol of the forum. He should step down as forum

moderator becuase of these actions alone. Had it been anyone else he

would have claimed them to be anti-LK. He also told me he also uses a

Vedic astrologer for his own family so why has he criticized learned

members for their postings on links between Vedic and LK priciples?

What a double-standard!! Why not preach what one teaches?

>

> He himself couldn't find out which remedies to apply and rapidly

refunded my money of $100. Jokingly he remarked on how he wasn't in

LK for the money - at least not yet. Then in his post he told me the

last of my concerns should be Lagna Sarini. Is this the language and

approach of someone who practices LK? Does this behaviour show

respect or consideration for LK values and techniques or even for

forum members?

>

> Then Yograj Ji you make a post where you hail him as a philosopher

and friend - Who cares? We want to see examples and evidence of his

claimed approach using Lagna Sarini but instead you want to

personalize the discussion to distract from the debate. Forum members

are not that dumb so please don't treat them that way as it is very

condascending.

>

> I have Mercury in 5th house and was so hurt and dismayed by this

experience with him that I wanted to voice some ill words which I was

confident would come true. However, then there would be no difference

between him and me and I opted to preserve moral authority and let

God himself deal with him in accordance with how he mistreated me.

>

> GOOD NEWS!!! When I decided not to listen to Rajinder Bhatia's ill-

intended propoganda and applied remedies for Venus/Rahu in 4th house

of varshphal my health issues were discovered by doctors and

medication given. It has now been 4 weeks of taking this medication

and my digestive and nerve problems are gone. I thank God for giving

me the strength to persevere in practical terms to find out through

LK why my issue was being faced and how it could be fixed.

>

> I want to thank all those forum members from around the world who

wrote me to provide support for my desire to practically reap the

benefits of varshphal remedies to fix problems. There is no need to

indulge in intellectual gymnastics if there is no practical

application. I had asked for examples dozens of time but nobody

including Bhatia Ji who claims to use this approach 100% of the time

shared them. Yograj Bhai instead of labelling discourse in this forum

as useless please share your examples.

>

> I thank Vipin Shukla, Bhooshan Priya Ji, Kulbir Paji and Miglani

SahibN Nirmal Ji and the dozens of others who also did not accept the

propogandabeing circulated and supported me. This is the true spirit

of Lal Kitab.

>

> For the record, my varshphal using my foreign location was as

followed:

>

> 1-Moon

> 2-Ketu

> 4-Venus/Rahu

> 7-Jupiter

> 9-Sun/Mercury/Mars

> 11-Saturn

>

> I applied remedies for Venus/Rahu, Jupiter and Saturn and within 2

weeks doctors uncovered that toxins in my body were causing these

digestive ailments. Thankfully I am doing much better now but only

after using my foreign-birth varshphal without any re-calculations to

Madras or elsewhere.

>

> Best Regards,

> Iqbal

> USA

>