Guest guest Posted April 29, 2007 Report Share Posted April 29, 2007 guruji while browsing across the net i got tha following information on a site astrojyoti.com they have printed the photo appearing on page 143 of 1939 edition and below it is an introduction. just read it for urself. The famous Lal Kitaab, meaning the red book, is an ancient Indian treatise which expounds the predictive principles. It is written about 400 years ago, in old style Urdu without much punctuation and hence it is not easy to grasp its meaning. The " Farmaans " of the book give brief hints of destiny, in poetic verses with philosophic hidden nuances. The name of the author is not known. kulbir bains Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 29, 2007 Report Share Posted April 29, 2007 Kulbir Jee: I read this frivolous claim a few years ago. The originator of this myth is one Mr. Saurabh Kwatra who claims to be an IIT trained engineer and a professional astrologer. He advertises quite heavily in some newspaper web sites. . I corresponded with him a few years ago. He claims that he and his "Guru" are the only ones who have the original LalKitab (Per him, the LalKitabs we all have are "fakes".) When he claimed that Lal Kitab is written in "ancient Urdu" and is more than four hundred years old and that his copy was "certified" by the Government of India to be "authentic and four hundred years old" I knew then that he doesn't know what he is talking about. The fact is that there is no such things as "ancient" Urdu and the Urdu language is no more than 250 years old. Mr Kwatra must have received a pre-language release copy. I offered to meet with him in New York (where he was supposed to be coming on some business trip) or in Delhi. He stopped responding to my Emails. Some people love to live in ignorance and they would go to any extent to justify it. Let it be. Respectfully, Rajinder Bhatia kulbirbains <kulbirbains wrote: guruji while browsing across the net i got tha following information on a site astrojyoti.com they have printed the photo appearing on page 143 of 1939 edition and below it is an introduction. just read it for urself.The famous Lal Kitaab, meaning the red book, is an ancient Indian treatise which expounds the predictive principles. It is written about 400 years ago, in old style Urdu without much punctuation and hence it is not easy to grasp its meaning. The "Farmaans" of the book give brief hints of destiny, in poetic verses with philosophic hidden nuances. The name of the author is not known.kulbir bains Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell? Check out new cars at Autos. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 30, 2007 Report Share Posted April 30, 2007 guruji despite all his claims, he has committed a grave mistake. the photo he displays is very much the same as appearing on page 143 0f 1939 edition. if (as per his claims) the copies in circulation are all fake; i wonder what does he has to say regarding this photo. i think for him ignorance is a bliss or he has some other ulterior motive. but what can we do about one who prefers to live in a fools paradise. kulbir bainsRajinder Bhatia <rajinderbhatia2002 wrote: Kulbir Jee: I read this frivolous claim a few years ago. The originator of this myth is one Mr. Saurabh Kwatra who claims to be an IIT trained engineer and a professional astrologer. He advertises quite heavily in some newspaper web sites. . I corresponded with him a few years ago. He claims that he and his "Guru" are the only ones who have the original LalKitab (Per him, the LalKitabs we all have are "fakes".) When he claimed that Lal Kitab is written in "ancient Urdu" and is more than four hundred years old and that his copy was "certified" by the Government of India to be "authentic and four hundred years old" I knew then that he doesn't know what he is talking about. The fact is that there is no such things as "ancient" Urdu and the Urdu language is no more than 250 years old. Mr Kwatra must have received a pre-language release copy. I offered to meet with him in New York (where he was supposed to be coming on some business trip) or in Delhi. He stopped responding to my Emails. Some people love to live in ignorance and they would go to any extent to justify it. Let it be. Respectfully, Rajinder Bhatia kulbirbains <kulbirbains (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote: guruji while browsing across the net i got tha following information on a site astrojyoti.com they have printed the photo appearing on page 143 of 1939 edition and below it is an introduction. just read it for urself.The famous Lal Kitaab, meaning the red book, is an ancient Indian treatise which expounds the predictive principles. It is written about 400 years ago, in old style Urdu without much punctuation and hence it is not easy to grasp its meaning. The "Farmaans" of the book give brief hints of destiny, in poetic verses with philosophic hidden nuances. The name of the author is not known.kulbir bains Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell?Check out new cars at Autos. Check out what you're missing if you're not on Messenger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 2, 2007 Report Share Posted May 2, 2007 Respected Bhatia Sahib and Kulbir jiI would like to share an interesting incident regarding the misconceptions about the revered Lal Kitab.About six months back my children informed me that a gentleman from Rajpura was delivering a lecture over Lal Kitab on a local cable TV channel and that he seems to be a knowledgeable guy. My kids also noted down his phone numbers. I immediately called that man, introduced myself as a student of Lal Kitab, and congratulated him for his wonderful speech. I then asked him about which version of the Lal Kitab he uses to study, to my surprise he immediately replied:"The 1894 wala edition.""1894 wala edition?" I asked."Yes" he replies confidently"Are you sure it is 1894 edition?" I asked once again."Yes Bhai Sahab, it is 1894 wali original Urdu-Farsi wali Kitab.""But sir, Lal Kitab was first published in 1939 only" I tried to convince him. "No sir, you are absolutely wrong; it was published in 1894." he replied confidently. "I would like to see that book sir, will you allow me to see it?" I requested."Why not, you are welcome anytime at my office." he agreed.After getting his permission I along with Shri Pradeep Sharma and Dr. Rana went to Rajpura to see the 1894 wala edition. We found a tall and lanky, a chain smoker (like truly yours) guy in his mid 50s attending some clients. He called us when he got free, and starts giving us lecture on Lal Kitab straightaway. We listened him patiently, and finally we expressed our desire to see that 1894 wali Urdu Farsi edition. But he flatly refused to show that mysterious book to us since his Guru prevented him to show to anyone. He also claimed that the revered Lal Kitab was not written by Pt Roop Chand Joshi ji rather Pt ji only had done its translation from Urdu Farsi. Now that was the limit, this time it was the turn of Sh. Pradeep Sharma ji to barrage, Sharma ji fired some rapid questions regarding the subject and authorship of the book. That guy unable to face Sharma jis onslaught immediately went defensive. He suddenly whispered in my ears: "Guru, too inhan sab chon syana banda laggda hain, is layi tainu dass rehan par kisey hor nu na dassin. Mere kol us kitab di Hindi traslation hai. eh Kitab Hare Krishna Trust waliyan ne chhappi see Arun Samhita de naam tey. "(You seems to be the most intelligent guy among all these, So I am telling you, dont disclose it to anyone, I have a Hindi translation of the Lal Kitab published by Hare Krishna Trust under the title of Arun Samhita).I could see the red faces of Shri Pradeep Sharma and Dr. Rana on his shameless confession. When asked why he is spreading misconceptions regarding the sacred Lal Kitab that man simply smiled at us, and start smoking another cigarette. With regardsYograj Prabhakar , kulbir bains <kulbirbains wrote:>> guruji despite all his claims, he has committed a grave mistake. the photo he displays is very much the same as appearing on page 143 0f 1939 edition. if (as per his claims) the copies in circulation are all fake; i wonder what does he has to say regarding this photo. i think for him ignorance is a bliss or he has some other ulterior motive. but what can we do about one who prefers to live in a fools paradise.> kulbir bains> > Rajinder Bhatia rajinderbhatia2002 wrote:> Kulbir Jee:> I read this frivolous claim a few years ago. The originator of this myth is one Mr. Saurabh Kwatra who claims to be an IIT trained engineer and a professional astrologer. He advertises quite heavily in some newspaper web sites. . I corresponded with him a few years ago. He claims that he and his "Guru" are the only ones who have the original LalKitab (Per him, the LalKitabs we all have are "fakes".) > > When he claimed that Lal Kitab is written in "ancient Urdu" and is more than four hundred years old and that his copy was "certified" by the Government of India to be "authentic and four hundred years old" I knew then that he doesn't know what he is talking about. The fact is that there is no such things as "ancient" Urdu and the Urdu language is no more than 250 years old. Mr Kwatra must have received a pre-language release copy. I offered to meet with him in New York (where he was supposed to be coming on some business trip) or in Delhi. He stopped responding to my Emails.> > Some people love to live in ignorance and they would go to any extent to justify it. Let it be.> > Respectfully,> Rajinder Bhatia> > > kulbirbains kulbirbains wrote:> guruji while browsing across the net i got tha following information > on a site astrojyoti.com they have printed the photo appearing on page > 143 of 1939 edition and below it is an introduction. just read it for > urself.> > The famous Lal Kitaab, meaning the red book, is an ancient Indian > treatise which expounds the predictive principles. It is written about > 400 years ago, in old style Urdu without much punctuation and hence it > is not easy to grasp its meaning. The "Farmaans" of the book give > brief hints of destiny, in poetic verses with philosophic hidden > nuances. The name of the author is not known.> kulbir bains> > > > > > > Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell?> Check out new cars at Autos. > > > > > > Check out what you're missing if you're not on Messenger> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 2, 2007 Report Share Posted May 2, 2007 Yograj Jee, Another "sad" one that you can see on the 'net (I don't remember the name of the site but you can google Lal Kitab and one of the sites has it.) They show a page from an Arabic geometry book showing the proof of Pythagorian theorem ("koThe wala" diagram that we all read in the tenth grade) and claim this to be a page from LalKitab. These are "professional" astrologers advertising their services on the 'net and trying to insult the intelligence of everyone. How much confidence will you have in their ability/honesty? Respectfully, Rajinder BhatiaYograj Prabhakar <yr_prabhakar wrote: Respected Bhatia Sahib and Kulbir jiI would like to share an interesting incident regarding the misconceptions about the revered Lal Kitab.About six months back my children informed me that a gentleman from Rajpura was delivering a lecture over Lal Kitab on a local cable TV channel and that he seems to be a knowledgeable guy. My kids also noted down his phone numbers. I immediately called that man, introduced myself as a student of Lal Kitab, and congratulated him for his wonderful speech. I then asked him about which version of the Lal Kitab he uses to study,?to my surprise he immediately replied:"The 1894 wala edition.""1894 wala edition?" I asked."Yes" he replies confidently"Are you sure it is 1894 edition?" I asked once again."Yes Bhai Sahab, it is 1894 wali original Urdu-Farsi wali Kitab.""But sir, Lal Kitab was first published in 1939 only" I tried to convince him. "No sir, you are absolutely wrong; it was published in 1894." he replied confidently. "I would like to see that book sir, will you allow me to see it?" I requested."Why not, you are welcome anytime at my office." he agreed.After getting his permission I along with Shri Pradeep Sharma and Dr. Rana went to Rajpura to see the 1894 wala edition. We found a tall and lanky, a chain smoker (like truly yours) guy in his mid 50s attending some clients. He called us when he got free, and starts giving us lecture on Lal Kitab straightaway. We listened him patiently, and finally we expressed our desire to see that 1894 wali Urdu Farsi edition. But he flatly refused to show that mysterious book to us since his Guru prevented him to show to anyone. He also claimed that the revered Lal Kitab was not written by Pt Roop Chand Joshi ji rather Pt ji only had done its translation from Urdu Farsi. Now that was the limit, this time it was the turn of Sh. Pradeep Sharma ji to barrage, Sharma ji fired some rapid questions regarding the subject and authorship of the book. That guy unable to face Sharma jis onslaught immediately went defensive. He suddenly whispered in my ears: "Guru, too inhan sab chon syana banda laggda hain, is layi tainu dass rehan par kisey hor nu na dassin. Mere kol us kitab di Hindi traslation hai. eh Kitab Hare Krishna Trust waliyan ne chhappi see Arun Samhita de naam tey. "(You seems to be the most intelligent guy among all these, So I am telling you, dont disclose it to anyone, I have a Hindi translation of the Lal Kitab published by Hare Krishna Trust under the title of Arun Samhita).I could see the red faces of Shri Pradeep Sharma and Dr. Rana on his shameless confession. When asked why he is spreading misconceptions regarding the sacred Lal Kitab that man simply smiled at us, and start smoking another cigarette. With regardsYograj Prabhakar , kulbir bains <kulbirbains wrote:>> guruji despite all his claims, he has committed a grave mistake. the photo he displays is very much the same as appearing on page 143 0f 1939 edition. if (as per his claims) the copies in circulation are all fake; i wonder what does he has to say regarding this photo. i think for him ignorance is a bliss or he has some other ulterior motive. but what can we do about one who prefers to live in a fools paradise.> kulbir bains> > Rajinder Bhatia rajinderbhatia2002 wrote:> Kulbir Jee:> I read this frivolous claim a few years ago. The originator of this myth is one Mr. Saurabh Kwatra who claims to be an IIT trained engineer and a professional astrologer. He advertises quite heavily in some newspaper web sites. . I corresponded with him a few years ago. He claims that he and his "Guru" are the only ones who have the original LalKitab (Per him, the LalKitabs we all have are "fakes".) > > When he claimed that Lal Kitab is written in "ancient Urdu" and is more than four hundred years old and that his copy was "certified" by the Government of India to be "authentic and four hundred years old" I knew then that he doesn't know what he is talking about. The fact is that there is no such things as "ancient" Urdu and the Urdu language is no more than 250 years old. Mr Kwatra must have received a pre-language release copy. I offered to meet with him in New York (where he was supposed to be coming on some business trip) or in Delhi. He stopped responding to my Emails.> > Some people love to live in ignorance and they would go to any extent to justify it. Let it be.> > Respectfully,> Rajinder Bhatia> > > kulbirbains kulbirbains wrote:> guruji while browsing across the net i got tha following information > on a site astrojyoti.com they have printed the photo appearing on page > 143 of 1939 edition and below it is an introduction. just read it for > urself.> > The famous Lal Kitaab, meaning the red book, is an ancient Indian > treatise which expounds the predictive principles. It is written about > 400 years ago, in old style Urdu without much punctuation and hence it > is not easy to grasp its meaning. The "Farmaans" of the book give > brief hints of destiny, in poetic verses with philosophic hidden > nuances. The name of the author is not known.> kulbir bains> > > > > > > Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell?> Check out new cars at Autos. > > > > > > Check out what you're missing if you're not on Messenger> Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell? Check out new cars at Autos. 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Guest guest Posted May 4, 2007 Report Share Posted May 4, 2007 respected bhatia ji, this information is available on many sites. one asrtoandsvastu.com goes a step ahead. it displays this diagram and further says " " " Lal Kitab is an ancient book of Hindu Mythology. This book was written in old Urdu. This book was founded on the lying skin of a dead man without any author name. It was founded in the caves of Tibet. This book then taken by the Persians and then pass to Iran. After sometime this book was translated in Urdu and Hindi. " " " kulbir bains , Rajinder Bhatia <rajinderbhatia2002 wrote: > > Yograj Jee, > Another " sad " one that you can see on the 'net (I don't remember the name of the site but you can google Lal Kitab and one of the sites has it.) They show a page from an Arabic geometry book showing the proof of Pythagorian theorem ( " koThe wala " diagram that we all read in the tenth grade) and claim this to be a page from LalKitab. These are " professional " astrologers advertising their services on the 'net and trying to insult the intelligence of everyone. How much confidence will you have in their ability/honesty? > > Respectfully, > Rajinder Bhatia > > Yograj Prabhakar <yr_prabhakar wrote: > Respected Bhatia Sahib and Kulbir ji > > I would like to share an interesting incident regarding the misconceptions about the revered Lal Kitab. > > About six months back my children informed me that a gentleman from Rajpura was delivering a lecture over Lal Kitab on a local cable TV channel and that he seems to be a knowledgeable guy. My kids also noted down his phone numbers. I immediately called that man, introduced myself as a student of Lal Kitab, and congratulated him for his wonderful speech. I then asked him about which version of the Lal Kitab he uses to study,?to my surprise he immediately replied: > > " The 1894 wala edition. " > " 1894 wala edition? " I asked. > " Yes " he replies confidently > " Are you sure it is 1894 edition? " I asked once again. > " Yes Bhai Sahab, it is 1894 wali original Urdu-Farsi wali Kitab. " > " But sir, Lal Kitab was first published in 1939 only " I tried to convince him. > " No sir, you are absolutely wrong; it was published in 1894. " he replied confidently. > " I would like to see that book sir, will you allow me to see it? " I requested. > " Why not, you are welcome anytime at my office. " he agreed. > > After getting his permission I along with Shri Pradeep Sharma and Dr. Rana went to Rajpura to see the 1894 wala edition. We found a tall and lanky, a chain smoker (like truly yours) guy in his mid 50s attending some clients. He called us when he got free, and starts giving us lecture on Lal Kitab straightaway. We listened him patiently, and finally we expressed our desire to see that 1894 wali Urdu Farsi edition. But he flatly refused to show that mysterious book to us since his Guru prevented him to show to anyone. > > He also claimed that the revered Lal Kitab was not written by Pt Roop Chand Joshi ji rather Pt ji only had done its translation from Urdu Farsi. Now that was the limit, this time it was the turn of Sh. Pradeep Sharma ji to barrage, Sharma ji fired some rapid questions regarding the subject and authorship of the book. That guy unable to face Sharma jis onslaught immediately went defensive. He suddenly whispered in my ears: > > " Guru, too inhan sab chon syana banda laggda hain, is layi tainu dass rehan par kisey hor nu na dassin. Mere kol us kitab di Hindi traslation hai. eh Kitab Hare Krishna Trust waliyan ne chhappi see Arun Samhita de naam tey. " > > (You seems to be the most intelligent guy among all these, So I am telling you, dont disclose it to anyone, I have a Hindi translation of the Lal Kitab published by Hare Krishna Trust under the title of Arun Samhita). > > I could see the red faces of Shri Pradeep Sharma and Dr. Rana on his shameless confession. When asked why he is spreading misconceptions regarding the sacred Lal Kitab that man simply smiled at us, and start smoking another cigarette. > > With regards > Yograj Prabhakar > > > > > , kulbir bains <kulbirbains@> wrote: > > > > guruji despite all his claims, he has committed a grave mistake. the photo he displays is very much the same as appearing on page 143 0f 1939 edition. if (as per his claims) the copies in circulation are all fake; i wonder what does he has to say regarding this photo. i think for him ignorance is a bliss or he has some other ulterior motive. but what can we do about one who prefers to live in a fools paradise. > > kulbir bains > > > > Rajinder Bhatia rajinderbhatia2002@ wrote: > > Kulbir Jee: > > I read this frivolous claim a few years ago. The originator of this myth is one Mr. Saurabh Kwatra who claims to be an IIT trained engineer and a professional astrologer. He advertises quite heavily in some newspaper web sites. . I corresponded with him a few years ago. He claims that he and his " Guru " are the only ones who have the original LalKitab (Per him, the LalKitabs we all have are " fakes " .) > > > > When he claimed that Lal Kitab is written in " ancient Urdu " and is more than four hundred years old and that his copy was " certified " by the Government of India to be " authentic and four hundred years old " I knew then that he doesn't know what he is talking about. The fact is that there is no such things as " ancient " Urdu and the Urdu language is no more than 250 years old. Mr Kwatra must have received a pre-language release copy. I offered to meet with him in New York (where he was supposed to be coming on some business trip) or in Delhi. He stopped responding to my Emails. > > > > Some people love to live in ignorance and they would go to any extent to justify it. Let it be. > > > > Respectfully, > > Rajinder Bhatia > > > > > > kulbirbains kulbirbains@ wrote: > > guruji while browsing across the net i got tha following information > > on a site astrojyoti.com they have printed the photo appearing on page > > 143 of 1939 edition and below it is an introduction. just read it for > > urself. > > > > The famous Lal Kitaab, meaning the red book, is an ancient Indian > > treatise which expounds the predictive principles. It is written about > > 400 years ago, in old style Urdu without much punctuation and hence it > > is not easy to grasp its meaning. The " Farmaans " of the book give > > brief hints of destiny, in poetic verses with philosophic hidden > > nuances. The name of the author is not known. > > kulbir bains > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ahhh...imagining that irresistible " new car " smell? > > Check out new cars at Autos. > > > > > > > > > > > > Check out what you're missing if you're not on Messenger > > Ahhh...imagining that irresistible " new car " smell? > Check outnew cars at Autos. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 4, 2007 Report Share Posted May 4, 2007 , " kulbirbains " <kulbirbains wrote: > > respected bhatia ji, this information is available on many sites. > one asrtoandsvastu.com goes a step ahead. it displays this diagram > and further says " " " Lal Kitab is an ancient book of Hindu Mythology. > This book was written in old Urdu. This book was founded on the > lying skin of a dead man without any author name. It was founded in > the caves of Tibet. This book then taken by the Persians and then > pass to Iran. After sometime this book was translated in Urdu and > Hindi. " " " > kulbir bains > , Rajinder Bhatia > <rajinderbhatia2002@> wrote: > > > > Yograj Jee, > > Another " sad " one that you can see on the 'net (I don't remember > the name of the site but you can google Lal Kitab and one of the > sites has it.) They show a page from an Arabic geometry book showing > the proof of Pythagorian theorem ( " koThe wala " diagram that we all > read in the tenth grade) and claim this to be a page from LalKitab. > These are " professional " astrologers advertising their services on > the 'net and trying to insult the intelligence of everyone. How much > confidence will you have in their ability/honesty? > > > > Respectfully, > > Rajinder Bhatia > > > > Yograj Prabhakar <yr_prabhakar@> wrote: > > Respected Bhatia Sahib and Kulbir ji > > > > I would like to share an interesting incident regarding the > misconceptions about the revered Lal Kitab. > > > > About six months back my children informed me that a gentleman > from Rajpura was delivering a lecture over Lal Kitab on a local > cable TV channel and that he seems to be a knowledgeable guy. My > kids also noted down his phone numbers. I immediately called that > man, introduced myself as a student of Lal Kitab, and congratulated > him for his wonderful speech. I then asked him about which version > of the Lal Kitab he uses to study,?to my surprise he immediately > replied: > > > > " The 1894 wala edition. " > > " 1894 wala edition? " I asked. > > " Yes " he replies confidently > > " Are you sure it is 1894 edition? " I asked once again. > > " Yes Bhai Sahab, it is 1894 wali original Urdu-Farsi wali Kitab. " > > " But sir, Lal Kitab was first published in 1939 only " I tried to > convince him. > > " No sir, you are absolutely wrong; it was published in 1894. " he > replied confidently. > > " I would like to see that book sir, will you allow me to see it? " > I requested. > > " Why not, you are welcome anytime at my office. " he agreed. > > > > After getting his permission I along with Shri Pradeep Sharma and > Dr. Rana went to Rajpura to see the 1894 wala edition. We found a > tall and lanky, a chain smoker (like truly yours) guy in his mid 50s > attending some clients. He called us when he got free, and starts > giving us lecture on Lal Kitab straightaway. We listened him > patiently, and finally we expressed our desire to see that 1894 wali > Urdu Farsi edition. But he flatly refused to show that mysterious > book to us since his Guru prevented him to show to anyone. > > > > He also claimed that the revered Lal Kitab was not written by Pt > Roop Chand Joshi ji rather Pt ji only had done its translation from > Urdu Farsi. Now that was the limit, this time it was the turn of Sh. > Pradeep Sharma ji to barrage, Sharma ji fired some rapid questions > regarding the subject and authorship of the book. That guy unable to > face Sharma jis onslaught immediately went defensive. He suddenly > whispered in my ears: > > > > " Guru, too inhan sab chon syana banda laggda hain, is layi tainu > dass rehan par kisey hor nu na dassin. Mere kol us kitab di Hindi > traslation hai. eh Kitab Hare Krishna Trust waliyan ne chhappi see > Arun Samhita de naam tey. " > > > > (You seems to be the most intelligent guy among all these, So I am > telling you, dont disclose it to anyone, I have a Hindi translation > of the Lal Kitab published by Hare Krishna Trust under the title of > Arun Samhita). > > > > I could see the red faces of Shri Pradeep Sharma and Dr. Rana on > his shameless confession. When asked why he is spreading > misconceptions regarding the sacred Lal Kitab that man simply smiled > at us, and start smoking another cigarette. > > > > With regards > > Yograj Prabhakar > > > > > > > > > > , kulbir bains <kulbirbains@> > wrote: > > > > > > guruji despite all his claims, he has committed a grave mistake. > the photo he displays is very much the same as appearing on page 143 > 0f 1939 edition. if (as per his claims) the copies in circulation > are all fake; i wonder what does he has to say regarding this photo. > i think for him ignorance is a bliss or he has some other ulterior > motive. but what can we do about one who prefers to live in a fools > paradise. > > > kulbir bains > > > > > > Rajinder Bhatia rajinderbhatia2002@ wrote: > > > Kulbir Jee: > > > I read this frivolous claim a few years ago. The originator of > this myth is one Mr. Saurabh Kwatra who claims to be an IIT trained > engineer and a professional astrologer. He advertises quite heavily > in some newspaper web sites. . I corresponded with him a few years > ago. He claims that he and his " Guru " are the only ones who have the > original LalKitab (Per him, the LalKitabs we all have are " fakes " .) > > > > > > When he claimed that Lal Kitab is written in " ancient Urdu " and > is more than four hundred years old and that his copy > was " certified " by the Government of India to be " authentic and four > hundred years old " I knew then that he doesn't know what he is > talking about. The fact is that there is no such things as " ancient " > Urdu and the Urdu language is no more than 250 years old. Mr Kwatra > must have received a pre-language release copy. I offered to meet > with him in New York (where he was supposed to be coming on some > business trip) or in Delhi. He stopped responding to my Emails. > > > > > > Some people love to live in ignorance and they would go to any > extent to justify it. Let it be. > > > > > > Respectfully, > > > Rajinder Bhatia > > > > > > > > > kulbirbains kulbirbains@ wrote: > > > guruji while browsing across the net i got tha following > information > > > on a site astrojyoti.com they have printed the photo appearing > on page > > > 143 of 1939 edition and below it is an introduction. just read > it for > > > urself. > > > > > > The famous Lal Kitaab, meaning the red book, is an ancient > Indian > > > treatise which expounds the predictive principles. It is written > about > > > 400 years ago, in old style Urdu without much punctuation and > hence it > > > is not easy to grasp its meaning. The " Farmaans " of the book > give > > > brief hints of destiny, in poetic verses with philosophic hidden > > > nuances. The name of the author is not known. > > > kulbir bains > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ahhh...imagining that irresistible " new car " smell? > > > Check out new cars at Autos. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Check out what you're missing if you're not on Messenger > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ahhh...imagining that irresistible " new car " smell? > > Check outnew cars at Autos. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 4, 2007 Report Share Posted May 4, 2007 Dear Kulbir Ji, This sort of misconceptions are created because of one reason only and that was- the books had been kept under custody of few persons, to whom Pt. Roop Chand Joshi Ji, had given to make this science to spread. But may be due to greed or some reason else , few of them had kept it in deep lock and key. thus lot of rumors about this books murmured amongst the people. this directly or indirectly had helped making of some unscrupulous LalKitab/RedBook Specialist to create this type of hype. A few years back I am also have the impression that this book is written in Persia. The hindi Books available in the markets are the translation done by the good Samaritans, otherwise it is very difficult to understand LalKitab in modern days. Had I not learned to read Urdu, I may be under this impression for life long. I have seen these LalKitab Specialist on TV. Have they ever tried to even describe about the origin of book and in what language it is written. " I came to know that its xerox copy was sold at Rs. 15000 each. How a poor man dare to read this book. We the new generation are grateful the Prabhakar Ji, Bhatia ji, Goswami Ji, who came forward to this cause, and the result is in front of you.. The extinction process of this book is now checked. More and more youngsters are coming to this field. " Dhooyen ko jo Baadal hamaaray kuchh predecessors nay Khaday kiye thay, ab dheeray dheeray chhat jaayengay " Sabhi Ulti seedhi Dharnayen khud -b khud khatam ho jayengi- Aisa Mera Manana hai. " Now Many professional Astrologers like Prabhakar Ji, Bhatia Ji, Umesh Ji, LalKitabee Ji including many others who could not make it to internet, have come forward to help the students in there studies.The Original books are now distributed free of cost by Prabhakar Ji. Lets Hope for the Best. Nirmal Kumar Bhardwaj , " kulbirbains " <kulbirbains wrote: > > respected bhatia ji, this information is available on many sites. > one asrtoandsvastu.com goes a step ahead. it displays this diagram > and further says " " " Lal Kitab is an ancient book of Hindu Mythology. > This book was written in old Urdu. This book was founded on the > lying skin of a dead man without any author name. It was founded in > the caves of Tibet. This book then taken by the Persians and then > pass to Iran. After sometime this book was translated in Urdu and > Hindi. " " " > kulbir bains > , Rajinder Bhatia > <rajinderbhatia2002@> wrote: > > > > Yograj Jee, > > Another " sad " one that you can see on the 'net (I don't remember > the name of the site but you can google Lal Kitab and one of the > sites has it.) They show a page from an Arabic geometry book showing > the proof of Pythagorian theorem ( " koThe wala " diagram that we all > read in the tenth grade) and claim this to be a page from LalKitab. > These are " professional " astrologers advertising their services on > the 'net and trying to insult the intelligence of everyone. How much > confidence will you have in their ability/honesty? > > > > Respectfully, > > Rajinder Bhatia > > > > Yograj Prabhakar <yr_prabhakar@> wrote: > > Respected Bhatia Sahib and Kulbir ji > > > > I would like to share an interesting incident regarding the > misconceptions about the revered Lal Kitab. > > > > About six months back my children informed me that a gentleman > from Rajpura was delivering a lecture over Lal Kitab on a local > cable TV channel and that he seems to be a knowledgeable guy. My > kids also noted down his phone numbers. I immediately called that > man, introduced myself as a student of Lal Kitab, and congratulated > him for his wonderful speech. I then asked him about which version > of the Lal Kitab he uses to study,?to my surprise he immediately > replied: > > > > " The 1894 wala edition. " > > " 1894 wala edition? " I asked. > > " Yes " he replies confidently > > " Are you sure it is 1894 edition? " I asked once again. > > " Yes Bhai Sahab, it is 1894 wali original Urdu-Farsi wali Kitab. " > > " But sir, Lal Kitab was first published in 1939 only " I tried to > convince him. > > " No sir, you are absolutely wrong; it was published in 1894. " he > replied confidently. > > " I would like to see that book sir, will you allow me to see it? " > I requested. > > " Why not, you are welcome anytime at my office. " he agreed. > > > > After getting his permission I along with Shri Pradeep Sharma and > Dr. Rana went to Rajpura to see the 1894 wala edition. We found a > tall and lanky, a chain smoker (like truly yours) guy in his mid 50s > attending some clients. He called us when he got free, and starts > giving us lecture on Lal Kitab straightaway. We listened him > patiently, and finally we expressed our desire to see that 1894 wali > Urdu Farsi edition. But he flatly refused to show that mysterious > book to us since his Guru prevented him to show to anyone. > > > > He also claimed that the revered Lal Kitab was not written by Pt > Roop Chand Joshi ji rather Pt ji only had done its translation from > Urdu Farsi. Now that was the limit, this time it was the turn of Sh. > Pradeep Sharma ji to barrage, Sharma ji fired some rapid questions > regarding the subject and authorship of the book. That guy unable to > face Sharma jis onslaught immediately went defensive. He suddenly > whispered in my ears: > > > > " Guru, too inhan sab chon syana banda laggda hain, is layi tainu > dass rehan par kisey hor nu na dassin. Mere kol us kitab di Hindi > traslation hai. eh Kitab Hare Krishna Trust waliyan ne chhappi see > Arun Samhita de naam tey. " > > > > (You seems to be the most intelligent guy among all these, So I am > telling you, dont disclose it to anyone, I have a Hindi translation > of the Lal Kitab published by Hare Krishna Trust under the title of > Arun Samhita). > > > > I could see the red faces of Shri Pradeep Sharma and Dr. Rana on > his shameless confession. When asked why he is spreading > misconceptions regarding the sacred Lal Kitab that man simply smiled > at us, and start smoking another cigarette. > > > > With regards > > Yograj Prabhakar > > > > > > > > > > , kulbir bains <kulbirbains@> > wrote: > > > > > > guruji despite all his claims, he has committed a grave mistake. > the photo he displays is very much the same as appearing on page 143 > 0f 1939 edition. if (as per his claims) the copies in circulation > are all fake; i wonder what does he has to say regarding this photo. > i think for him ignorance is a bliss or he has some other ulterior > motive. but what can we do about one who prefers to live in a fools > paradise. > > > kulbir bains > > > > > > Rajinder Bhatia rajinderbhatia2002@ wrote: > > > Kulbir Jee: > > > I read this frivolous claim a few years ago. The originator of > this myth is one Mr. Saurabh Kwatra who claims to be an IIT trained > engineer and a professional astrologer. He advertises quite heavily > in some newspaper web sites. . I corresponded with him a few years > ago. He claims that he and his " Guru " are the only ones who have the > original LalKitab (Per him, the LalKitabs we all have are " fakes " .) > > > > > > When he claimed that Lal Kitab is written in " ancient Urdu " and > is more than four hundred years old and that his copy > was " certified " by the Government of India to be " authentic and four > hundred years old " I knew then that he doesn't know what he is > talking about. The fact is that there is no such things as " ancient " > Urdu and the Urdu language is no more than 250 years old. Mr Kwatra > must have received a pre-language release copy. I offered to meet > with him in New York (where he was supposed to be coming on some > business trip) or in Delhi. He stopped responding to my Emails. > > > > > > Some people love to live in ignorance and they would go to any > extent to justify it. Let it be. > > > > > > Respectfully, > > > Rajinder Bhatia > > > > > > > > > kulbirbains kulbirbains@ wrote: > > > guruji while browsing across the net i got tha following > information > > > on a site astrojyoti.com they have printed the photo appearing > on page > > > 143 of 1939 edition and below it is an introduction. just read > it for > > > urself. > > > > > > The famous Lal Kitaab, meaning the red book, is an ancient > Indian > > > treatise which expounds the predictive principles. It is written > about > > > 400 years ago, in old style Urdu without much punctuation and > hence it > > > is not easy to grasp its meaning. The " Farmaans " of the book > give > > > brief hints of destiny, in poetic verses with philosophic hidden > > > nuances. The name of the author is not known. > > > kulbir bains > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ahhh...imagining that irresistible " new car " smell? > > > Check out new cars at Autos. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Check out what you're missing if you're not on Messenger > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ahhh...imagining that irresistible " new car " smell? > > Check outnew cars at Autos. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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