Pitri Rin

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Respected Nirmal ji, My answers in red after your statements: With regards and naman Chandra Prakash Respected Tyagi Ji,It is nice to find a person studying original text.Worthy Prabhakar Ji provided us these sacred original books andbefore that I also used to read and acumulate the Dalda Books. Idisposed off most of these books to persons who don't know urdu.Now coming to the discussionI agree that the pitri Hrin topic comes under the Heading Uljhan Kegrah, which mainly consists of Pitri Rin and mahan Dasha Ke

Grah.Regarding Conditions of Pitri Rin Please readthe Chhandda line No. 1 & 2 of Page 122 corelating topic "Pitri HrinKi Pehli haalat" on page 128 Yes, both these lines constitute the first condition of Pitri Rin.the Chhandda line No. 3 & 4 of Page 122 corelating topic "Pitri HrinKi doosri haalat" on page 128 No! Line 3 constitutes the 2nd condition . Where as the line 4th constitutes the 3rd condition which the book explains later after the second haalat is explained. “ Khana no 2,5,9,12 ki mandi haalat bhi zaroor sath ho to rin pitra hoga, varna koi ya kisi bhi kism ka rin pitri ya matri ya koi aur rin na hoga. Khyal rahe ki rin pitri hamesha janma kundali mein dekha jayega†And that is the third condition. These are the illustration of Chhanda Line No. 1,2,3,4Regarding Rahu read line No 1,2,3 of page 124 where Pandit ji hasgiven the Upaya of brihaspati rahu in 11 for pitri hrin. This again is an example : The book simply says that the upaya has to be done of two planets, one that has become “ nikamma†and the other for the planet who has made it “nikamma†by virtue of being in its “jar†The example he gives is that if the Jupiter is in the 9th house and if at the same time the rahu is in the 2 or 11 { ? } the upaya has to be done for both ; for Jupiter in the 9th and rahu in the 2nd or the 11th. I had put a question mark against 11 above. Some of us believe that it is a printing mistake and it should read 12 instead. Because then only it will get qualified under the 3rd condition of “ 5,12.2,9 koi mandaâ€. There is no reference of 11 here. But printing mistakes in Lal Kitab could be a matter of seperate investigation. Our small Lal Kitab group has already detected quite a few printing mistakes in the original 1952 urdu

edition. One such finding was posted here by my gurubhai Varun Trivedi quite some time back. The most important point of present debate "why it is termed by themany astrologer for not being common or necessary:--- Take Clue from line no 6,5,4 of page 123and above all most important lines no 10,11,12,13 of page no 129. It is not

declared as not being common or not being necessary by astrologers. Pt. Roopchand ji { peace be upon him} has himself said so in the opening lines of this section. He says that it will be rarely needed and one can do even without it. And it is a fact that there will be very few horoscopes which will fulfill all the three conditions of Pitri rin. I wish the doubts will be removed by reading these lines. I never had any doubts about Pitri Rin. RegardsNirmal Kumar Bhardwaj

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