Guest guest Posted February 21, 2007 Report Share Posted February 21, 2007 Respected Learned Members & my learned fellow umesh ji My fellow Mr. Umesh is quoting a single line from my mail but I think---May be that I was unable to give proper expression of my view or he doesn't want to read my that mail properly. I want to clear my some points to say clearly & to make boost to this discussion Here are two major realities 1st is the systematic approach or a summery to analyze a horoscope with lalkitab system ,which explained by Yograj ji in massage no.993 & 2nd is a horoscope which analyzed by Pandit ji himself in lalkitab. .. But which systematic approach performed during this discussion by yograj ji & most of us use , I think that is a general principle for each ,who wants to analyze honestly .But sometime the rules of this systematic approach seem conflicting to each other at the time of implementation to take remedial measurements. To clear this point – I picked up a tevaa which was analyzed by pandit ji himself in lalkitab & by the systematic approach I found some conflicting positions of rules to decide remedials in this horoscope. These are as below & mailed at board in past also. :- (i) nowhere any statement according to Grahfal by janmdin & jamvaqt for a remedy . (ii) I calculated budh ka bhed = GURU SWABHAV. (iii) Shani Ka jati swabhav = Bad (iv) Tevaa is NABALIG `due to KHALI MUTTHI KE KHANE" But Teva is BALIG also due to sun in 5 th budh in 6th (Both conditions fulfilled, What is considerable ?)BECAUSE DEFINING "TEVE KI KISMAIN" LALKITAB SAYS :- BUDH CHHATHEY (6TH) RAVI EK PAANCH GYARAH TEVA BAALIG GRAH HOTAA HO KHAALI MUTTHI YA BUDH PAAPI KA ASAR NABALIG HOTAA HO (v) Pitri Rin 1st Avastha 2nd Avasthaa also visible at 1st site. Topic of the discussion was "Remedy Failure"NOW SEE:--- THE SYSTEMATIC APPROACH OF MASSAGE NO. 993 CERTIFIES TO OBSERVE ----- 1.TEVE KI DURUSTI 2. BALIG & NABALIG TEVA 3. BUDH KA BHED 4.SHANI KA JAATI SWABHAV 5. PITRI RIN ETC. AS A MAJOR CONTENT TO AVOID FROM REMEDY FAILURE. EVEN YOGRAJ JI CLEARLY STATED --- An honest Lal Kitab astrologer always consider the "Pitri-Rin" as a major feature, because I have seen that the natives having "Pitri-Rin" in their charts seldom get any benefits whatsoever in spite of performing numerous remedial measures. see massage no.993 BUT REMEDY PROVIDED BY PANDIT JI DOESN'T CONCERN TO PITRI RIN – NO INDICATION ABOUT PITRI RIN & ITS REMEDY in perview of this kundali. Even no indications about --- HOW USED BUDH KA BHED & SHANI KA JAATI SWABHAV & BALIG OR NABALIG TEVA TO LEARN to use all these in that tevaa . That is why I forwarded discussion in my previous mail as "But nowhere pandit ji told any remedy for pitri rin, (I think there was no need to analyze pitririn ,So how it can be a major feature).Secondly how used shani & budh ka swabhav. Third point--- It is puzzeling to mark tevaa is balig or nabalig, but age is 64 at the time of analyzation so we accept tevaa is balig so may be the remedy provided in perview of balig tevaa ,But making durusti of tevaa the problem is---- Teva is balig or nabalig.(due to both conditions),Bcoz the effects of balig & nabalig tevaa planets r different to mark durusti.(teve ko ya to balig hi lenge ya fir nabalig).Now clear it plz Yograj ji --- ki aise main aapke dwaaraa spasht ker likhi gayee modus operandi ko pandit ji ne kaise use kiyaa hai ya yun samjhain ki pandit ji ke dwaraa agar yahi technique use ki gayee to aap ismain kaise spasht karenge.Specially to make remedy." This whole stanza is an extended discussion with questions, related to SYSTEMATIC APPROACH WHICH DEFINED BY YOGRAJ JI.The stanza is not a final quote of mine to solve conflicts between "Systematic Approach & the stated kundali in lalkitab" & followed by most of us in each kundali. I am still waiting responses of whole stanza including that line in perview of that Tevaa & Systematic Approaoch described by Yograj ji .If any body can ,I welcome again. So my friend Umesh ji & other fellows! here is a research oriented discussion. no thing is based only at my verdicts or only at yours.All is based at the discussion about SYSTEM ATIC APPROACH (which stated by yograj ji ), under the perview of main heading "REMEDY FAILURE" . In this mail "SYSTEMATIC APPROACH" word oriented to the "The Analyzing system"defined by Yograj ji only in massage no. 993. & most of us use. So friends paticipate positively. With regards Lalkitabee V.K.Shukla , "Umesh Sharma" <mudit982001 wrote:>> > Dear Lalkitabee ji,> > 1.R U FEELING OK IN THESE DAYS. Don take it otherwise. Really .> > ANS: Yes, on the contrary , I am feeling much well these days.> > 2. I know now u will again collect data ,which may be far away from> > discussion & research & possibly again may use offensive language to> provide me any DOSE.> > ANS: How can you say this? And when & where i use any offensive> language? Do you know i have some data? or iwill try to collect the old> data against you but from where?> > 3. Aap bhavishya main bhi mere jaise aur bahut se logon ko inspire> kartey rahiyegaa dose per dose deker.Lekin dhyaan rakhna jise dose de> rahey ho kahin uske haath main pehley se hi TEEKAA (Injection) na ho vo> bhi janwaron wala(Animals like gadhha ghoda).Varnaa do hakley> insaano(STUMMERS) ki tarah baat kisi ki bhi poori nahi hogi aur kalesh> khadaa ho jayega.> > ANS: Are you threatening me? I am not a coward. I am ready to inject the> injections which you or any one other has. Come on. Otherwise, ready> to see the operation table.> > 4. 2ndly aap bol rahey hain ki main Bhatia ji ki goodwill ka faydaa> uthane ke liye unki haan main haan milaa rahaa hoon. Iska seedha sa> matlab to yahi hua ki Bhatia ji galat bol rahey hain aur unse koyee> faydaa uthane ke liye.main unki haan main haan milaa rahaa hoon. Iska> faislaa main doosre learned mebers per chhodtaa hoon ki ve Bhatia ji ki> baat se kahaan tak sehmat hain pitri rin se sambandhit.Din ko din kehne> main andhey ko bhi parhez nahi hota.Sivaay ullu (OWL) ke. (this is only> an example nothing personal to anyone.) Is group main to devotee learned> members hain. Rahi baat goodwill ki to is group main sabhi goodwill> waley hain aur unke beech main yeh lalkitabee V.K.SHUKLA jaisa CHHOTAA> sa insaan bhi kuchh man main upje sawaalon ko disscuss karne chalaa> aayaa hai.> > ANS: Now read your own words which are you write in your mail (this is> message no. 995 to Yograj Prabhakar)> > "But nowhere pandit ji told any remedy for pitri rin, (I think there> was no need to analyze pitririn ,So how it can be a major feature)."> > and other time> > Respected Bhatia ji thanx again for ur kind, fruitful, knowledgeful & > specially experienceful ,co.operation to get some more from this divine> book..As u explained about Pitri Rin ,same views r mine at that.Let us> wait for other active members.> > With regards> > Lalkitabee V.K.Shukla> > this is your views in other mail(no. 1003 to Bhatia ji), now what we> understand with your different statement So i say these words. Here i> request members to read mail no.1002 also.> > 5. Rahi baat pitri rin se sambandhit kisi insaan ki pooori family ki> kundli analyze karne se sambandhit baat. Vo to shayad Bhatia ji ki bhi> mail aapko kisi bhi group main nahi milegi jismain poorey khaandaan ki> kundlis ki demand ki gayee ho.> > ANS: I never seen the analysis also. Except one or two and He never> claim as you.> > 6. aur yograj ji ki bhi shayad hi aisi koi mail miley.Baki aap unse> confirm ker saktey hain.> > ANS: As far as i know he never analysis the kundlee or give the remedy.> He is only discussed the principles of Lalkitab> > Jo bhi ho ,Iska matlab yeh nahi ki hamne aisa nahi kiya.Haan maine ki> hai.ek baari nahi kayee martaba kiya hai.Arrre mere bhai maine to iski> poori padtaal karne ke liye ek family ke sabhi members ke saath saath> 3-3 mahine tak unke yahaan janm lene waley naye mehmaan ki bhi kundli ka> intejaar kiyaa hai. kabhi tum bhi yeh practical karna.> > ANS: It is only to blow one's own trumpet. Becaz the truth you wrote> before, i again quote " But nowhere pandit ji told any remedy for pitri > rin, (I think there was no need to analyze pitririn ,So how it can be a> major feature)."> > "MEMBERS YOU CAN SEE "WHAT IS OBVIOUS IS NOT ULTIMATE TRUTH."> > 8. Umesh ji mujhe to yeh lagtaa hai ki , shayad aapko meri pratyek mail> se koi pareshani ho jaati hai.Aap mujhe likhtey dekh kyon itne adhik> imotional ho jaatey hain samajh nahi aata.Kabhi To aap mujhe gyaani aur> vidvaan jaise shabdon se chane ke tree per baithaane ki koshish kartey> hain aur dosrey hi pal mujhe adiyal, aur na jaane kyaa kyaa likh daaltey> hain. Meraa discussion bhi bakvaas hi lagtaa hai aapko. SAY CLEARLY> PLZ--- R U FEELING OK IN THESE DAYS. Don take it otherwise. Really .im> worried to see ur different views to me Becose Umesh Sharma is more> important for us rather than this discussion. Arre yaar healthy rahogey> tabhi discussion bhi healthy hoga na.> > ANS: Don't worry dear; I am quite well and absolutely in my sense. I do> not write with Emotion i believe in facts and i never preshan with your> writings. Go ahead.> > 7. Ab deknaa yeh hai ki kisi family ka pitri rin se sambandhit upay> karwaaney ke baad us family main janm lene wali aulad ki kundli main> yeh dosh dekhne ko miltaa hai ya nahi ?.> > ANS: No doubt, it is a point for Research and it will take time.> > > Regards> > > Umesh Sharma> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 21, 2007 Report Share Posted February 21, 2007 Dear Lalkitabee, 1. Did you use the structured approach or Lal Kitab approach when you recommended me to wear a Pukhraj which you sold me for 50K rupees which was valued only at 12K, and then told me to wear it alongside a Neelam (Blue Sapphire), Panna (Emerald) and Heera (Diamond) all at the same time? 2. Did you use the structured approach or Lal Kitab approach when you threatened me if I ever came to Punjab and voiced your tactics of overcharging for worthless gems and prescribing wrong remedies, and only became quiet when I had to speak with senior police officers in your area? 3. Did you use the structured approach or Lal Kitab approach when you told me to bury blue flowers as a remedy for Venus/Rahu in lagna, or when you told me to bury an earthen pot filled with honey in a cemetery for Mercury/Sun/Mars in 5th house? 4. Did you use the structured approach or Lal Kitab approach when you told me that you had special powers and tantric capacity out of reading Lal Kitab? I believe everyone will benefit from your deconstruction of the above events and highlighting of your preferred methodology in coming to your remedies of the past. lalkitabee <lalkitabee wrote: Respected Learned Members & my learned fellow umesh ji My fellow Mr. Umesh is quoting a single line from my mail but I think---May be that I was unable to give proper expression of my view or he doesn't want to read my that mail properly. I want to clear my some points to say clearly & to make boost to this discussion Here are two major realities 1st is the systematic approach or a summery to analyze a horoscope with lalkitab system ,which explained by Yograj ji in massage no.993 & 2nd is a horoscope which analyzed by Pandit ji himself in lalkitab. . But which systematic approach performed during this discussion by yograj ji & most of us use , I think that is a general principle for each ,who wants to analyze honestly .But sometime the rules of this systematic approach seem conflicting to each other at the time of implementation to take remedial measurements. To clear this point – I picked up a tevaa which was analyzed by pandit ji himself in lalkitab & by the systematic approach I found some conflicting positions of rules to decide remedials in this horoscope. These are as below & mailed at board in past also. :- (i) nowhere any statement according to Grahfal by janmdin & jamvaqt for a remedy . (ii) I calculated budh ka bhed = GURU SWABHAV. (iii) Shani Ka jati swabhav = Bad (iv) Tevaa is NABALIG `due to KHALI MUTTHI KE KHANE" But Teva is BALIG also due to sun in 5 th budh in 6th (Both conditions fulfilled, What is considerable ?)BECAUSE DEFINING "TEVE KI KISMAIN" LALKITAB SAYS :- BUDH CHHATHEY (6TH) RAVI EK PAANCH GYARAH TEVA BAALIG GRAH HOTAA HO KHAALI MUTTHI YA BUDH PAAPI KA ASAR NABALIG HOTAA HO (v) Pitri Rin 1st Avastha 2nd Avasthaa also visible at 1st site. Topic of the discussion was "Remedy Failure"NOW SEE:--- THE SYSTEMATIC APPROACH OF MASSAGE NO. 993 CERTIFIES TO OBSERVE ----- 1.TEVE KI DURUSTI 2. BALIG & NABALIG TEVA 3. BUDH KA BHED 4.SHANI KA JAATI SWABHAV 5. PITRI RIN ETC. AS A MAJOR CONTENT TO AVOID FROM REMEDY FAILURE. EVEN YOGRAJ JI CLEARLY STATED --- An honest Lal Kitab astrologer always consider the "Pitri-Rin" as a major feature, because I have seen that the natives having "Pitri-Rin" in their charts seldom get any benefits whatsoever in spite of performing numerous remedial measures. see massage no.993 BUT REMEDY PROVIDED BY PANDIT JI DOESN'T CONCERN TO PITRI RIN – NO INDICATION ABOUT PITRI RIN & ITS REMEDY in perview of this kundali. Even no indications about --- HOW USED BUDH KA BHED & SHANI KA JAATI SWABHAV & BALIG OR NABALIG TEVA TO LEARN to use all these in that tevaa . That is why I forwarded discussion in my previous mail as "But nowhere pandit ji told any remedy for pitri rin, (I think there was no need to analyze pitririn ,So how it can be a major feature).Secondly how used shani & budh ka swabhav. Third point--- It is puzzeling to mark tevaa is balig or nabalig, but age is 64 at the time of analyzation so we accept tevaa is balig so may be the remedy provided in perview of balig tevaa ,But making durusti of tevaa the problem is---- Teva is balig or nabalig.(due to both conditions),Bcoz the effects of balig & nabalig tevaa planets r different to mark durusti.(teve ko ya to balig hi lenge ya fir nabalig).Now clear it plz Yograj ji --- ki aise main aapke dwaaraa spasht ker likhi gayee modus operandi ko pandit ji ne kaise use kiyaa hai ya yun samjhain ki pandit ji ke dwaraa agar yahi technique use ki gayee to aap ismain kaise spasht karenge.Specially to make remedy." This whole stanza is an extended discussion with questions, related to SYSTEMATIC APPROACH WHICH DEFINED BY YOGRAJ JI.The stanza is not a final quote of mine to solve conflicts between "Systematic Approach & the stated kundali in lalkitab" & followed by most of us in each kundali. I am still waiting responses of whole stanza including that line in perview of that Tevaa & Systematic Approaoch described by Yograj ji .If any body can ,I welcome again. So my friend Umesh ji & other fellows! here is a research oriented discussion. no thing is based only at my verdicts or only at yours.All is based at the discussion about SYSTEM ATIC APPROACH (which stated by yograj ji ), under the perview of main heading "REMEDY FAILURE" . In this mail "SYSTEMATIC APPROACH" word oriented to the "The Analyzing system"defined by Yograj ji only in massage no. 993. & most of us use. So friends paticipate positively. With regards Lalkitabee V.K.Shukla , "Umesh Sharma" <mudit982001 wrote:>> > Dear Lalkitabee ji,> > 1.R U FEELING OK IN THESE DAYS. Don take it otherwise. Really .> > ANS: Yes, on the contrary , I am feeling much well these days.> > 2. I know now u will again collect data ,which may be far away from> > discussion & research & possibly again may use offensive language to> provide me any DOSE.> > ANS: How can you say this? And when & where i use any offensive> language? Do you know i have some data? or iwill try to collect the old> data against you but from where?> > 3. Aap bhavishya main bhi mere jaise aur bahut se logon ko inspire> kartey rahiyegaa dose per dose deker.Lekin dhyaan rakhna jise dose de> rahey ho kahin uske haath main pehley se hi TEEKAA (Injection) na ho vo> bhi janwaron wala(Animals like gadhha ghoda).Varnaa do hakley> insaano(STUMMERS) ki tarah baat kisi ki bhi poori nahi hogi aur kalesh> khadaa ho jayega.> > ANS: Are you threatening me? I am not a coward. I am ready to inject the> injections which you or any one other has. Come on. Otherwise, ready> to see the operation table.> > 4. 2ndly aap bol rahey hain ki main Bhatia ji ki goodwill ka faydaa> uthane ke liye unki haan main haan milaa rahaa hoon. Iska seedha sa> matlab to yahi hua ki Bhatia ji galat bol rahey hain aur unse koyee> faydaa uthane ke liye.main unki haan main haan milaa rahaa hoon. Iska> faislaa main doosre learned mebers per chhodtaa hoon ki ve Bhatia ji ki> baat se kahaan tak sehmat hain pitri rin se sambandhit.Din ko din kehne> main andhey ko bhi parhez nahi hota.Sivaay ullu (OWL) ke. (this is only> an example nothing personal to anyone.) Is group main to devotee learned> members hain. Rahi baat goodwill ki to is group main sabhi goodwill> waley hain aur unke beech main yeh lalkitabee V.K.SHUKLA jaisa CHHOTAA> sa insaan bhi kuchh man main upje sawaalon ko disscuss karne chalaa> aayaa hai.> > ANS: Now read your own words which are you write in your mail (this is> message no. 995 to Yograj Prabhakar)> > "But nowhere pandit ji told any remedy for pitri rin, (I think there> was no need to analyze pitririn ,So how it can be a major feature)."> > and other time> > Respected Bhatia ji thanx again for ur kind, fruitful, knowledgeful & > specially experienceful ,co.operation to get some more from this divine> book..As u explained about Pitri Rin ,same views r mine at that.Let us> wait for other active members.> > With regards> > Lalkitabee V.K.Shukla> > this is your views in other mail(no. 1003 to Bhatia ji), now what we> understand with your different statement So i say these words. Here i> request members to read mail no.1002 also.> > 5. Rahi baat pitri rin se sambandhit kisi insaan ki pooori family ki> kundli analyze karne se sambandhit baat. Vo to shayad Bhatia ji ki bhi> mail aapko kisi bhi group main nahi milegi jismain poorey khaandaan ki> kundlis ki demand ki gayee ho.> > ANS: I never seen the analysis also. Except one or two and He never> claim as you.> > 6. aur yograj ji ki bhi shayad hi aisi koi mail miley.Baki aap unse> confirm ker saktey hain.> > ANS: As far as i know he never analysis the kundlee or give the remedy.> He is only discussed the principles of Lalkitab> > Jo bhi ho ,Iska matlab yeh nahi ki hamne aisa nahi kiya.Haan maine ki> hai.ek baari nahi kayee martaba kiya hai.Arrre mere bhai maine to iski> poori padtaal karne ke liye ek family ke sabhi members ke saath saath> 3-3 mahine tak unke yahaan janm lene waley naye mehmaan ki bhi kundli ka> intejaar kiyaa hai. kabhi tum bhi yeh practical karna.> > ANS: It is only to blow one's own trumpet. Becaz the truth you wrote> before, i again quote " But nowhere pandit ji told any remedy for pitri > rin, (I think there was no need to analyze pitririn ,So how it can be a> major feature)."> > "MEMBERS YOU CAN SEE "WHAT IS OBVIOUS IS NOT ULTIMATE TRUTH."> > 8. Umesh ji mujhe to yeh lagtaa hai ki , shayad aapko meri pratyek mail> se koi pareshani ho jaati hai.Aap mujhe likhtey dekh kyon itne adhik> imotional ho jaatey hain samajh nahi aata.Kabhi To aap mujhe gyaani aur> vidvaan jaise shabdon se chane ke tree per baithaane ki koshish kartey> hain aur dosrey hi pal mujhe adiyal, aur na jaane kyaa kyaa likh daaltey> hain. Meraa discussion bhi bakvaas hi lagtaa hai aapko. SAY CLEARLY> PLZ--- R U FEELING OK IN THESE DAYS. Don take it otherwise. Really .im> worried to see ur different views to me Becose Umesh Sharma is more> important for us rather than this discussion. Arre yaar healthy rahogey> tabhi discussion bhi healthy hoga na.> > ANS: Don't worry dear; I am quite well and absolutely in my sense. I do> not write with Emotion i believe in facts and i never preshan with your> writings. Go ahead.> > 7. Ab deknaa yeh hai ki kisi family ka pitri rin se sambandhit upay> karwaaney ke baad us family main janm lene wali aulad ki kundli main> yeh dosh dekhne ko miltaa hai ya nahi ?.> > ANS: No doubt, it is a point for Research and it will take time.> > > Regards> > > Umesh Sharma> Never miss an email again! Toolbar alerts you the instant new Mail arrives. Check it out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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