Janm Din Ka Grah and Janam Waqt ka Grah

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Respected Members, The following is the abstract of replies regarding subject:Iqbal Ji Wrote Janam Din Ka Grah refers to the concept whereby each day of the week is associated with a particular planet. Given this, the following list exemplifies how in so many other facets of Indian life, these socio-religious beliefs and tenets are part and parcel of the Indian language. The list indicates the day of the week, its corresponding indigenous root name, as well as the corresponding planet and its name in indigenous form.Sunday (Ravivar) - Sun (Ravi) Monday (Somvar) - Moon (Chandra) Tuesday (Mangalvar) - Mars (Mangal)Wednesday (Budhvar) - Mercury (Budh)Thursday (Guruvar) - Jupiter (Guru)Friday (Shukarvar) - Venus (Shukar/Shukra)Saturday (Shanivar) - Saturn (Shani)The concept being that being born on a particular day would in itself lend certain characteristics, attributes or enigmatic qualities of the day's ruling planet on that person's life in some way shape or form.As an interesting aside, the weekly program at one's local Mandir could also contribute to insight on the days of the week! I have personally seen how the offerings at the temple vary from day to day, and even the focus of prayer or pooja may vary from day to day as well. For example, on Sundays - Vishnu Puran/Pooja (Sun), Mondays - Shiv/Shivling Pooja (Moon), Tuesdays Hanuman Pooja (Mangal), Wednesdays Mata's Pooja (Mercury), Thursdays Guru Pooja (Jupiter), Fridays Laxmi Pooja (Venus) and Saturdays Shani/Bairon Pooja (Saturn).Now, Janam Waqt Ka Grah refers to the time of day one is born in. The following list shows the time period of a day with the corresponding ruling planet for that time of day.From Sunrise to 8:00am - Jupiter8:00am to 10:00am - Sun10:00am to 11:00am - Moon11:00am to 13:00pm - Mars13:00pm to 16:00pm - Venus16:00pm to 18:00pm - Mercury18:00pm until Sunset/Dusk/Appearance of Stars - RahuAfter Sunset/Peak Night until 2 Hours before Sunrise - SaturnTwo hours before Sunrise/Twilight - KetuAgain, being born on a specific day during a specific time solicits one to take into account the ruling planets and their potential influences on a person, given that person's correct birth details. While the Lal Kitab also provides for rectification or chart formulation from a person's palm, to the best of my knowledge the treatise on palmistry embedded within LK doesn't use the palm to ascertain Janam Waqt or Janam Din Grahs. In the case where one did not have this information, one would have to use the chart formulation techniques given in LK using the palm, and investigate the mounts of the person's palms to determine further the ruling planet influences.In short, both Janam Din and Janam Waqt grahs are an integral part of gaining more insight into particular influences which may be voicing themselves on a person. Just like we go into friends houses during certain period of the day and may encounter different moods, different environments or subtle vibrations that may influence us in different ways, similarly the ruling planet days and times of the day potentially provide additional astrological insight into one's persona.For Janam Din Ka Grah, Rahu is prevalent on Thursday evenings while Ketu's time of the week occurs on Sunday mornings. This is for the Day one is born on. Umesh Ji Clarified1. Janamdin ka Grah. Sunday (Ravivar) - Sun (Ravi) > > Monday (Somvar) - Moon (Chandra) > > Tuesday (Mangalvar) - Mars (Mangal)> > Wednesday (Budhvar) - Mercury (Budh)> > Thursday (Guruvar) - Jupiter (Guru)> > Friday (Shukarvar) - Venus (Shukar/Shukra)> > Saturday (Shanivar) - Saturn (Shani)In term of Lal-Kitab JanamDin Ka Grah Called as "KISMAT KE GRAH KO JAGANEY VALEY GRAH KA PAKKA GHAR arthat RASHIPHAL KA yani JISKA UPAY HO SAKEY"JESEY JANAM-DIN KA GRAH HO CHANDAR(MONDAY), JISKA PAKKA KHANA NO. 4 HEY. AB KHANA NO. 4 MAIN AAYE HUE GRAH KO CHAHEY VO GRAH PHAL KA HI KYON NA HO AB CHANRA KE UPAY SE DURUST KIYA JA Gupta Ji Wrote I may be wrong but give my contribution, right orwrong whatever may be.7 grahon ke 7 din jinhe Janam Din Ka Grah kaha gayahai. Every evening is 8th RAHU and every morning is9th KETU for Janam Din Ka Grah. Day starts with suriseand ends on next day's sunrise.Janam Din ke Grah ko Rashifal ka Grah (Bhagya ke Gharko jaganewale Grah ka Pakka Ghar) ginte hain aur inkaupay kiya ja sakta hai.Jay Ji WroteLK divides a day in equal 35 portions of around 41 minutes each.This comes to approxiamately 24 hours of a day.This is appliacble whether days are short or long. These 35 portions are nothing but the 35 years of cycle in which every year of a planet is equal to 41 minutes of time. This also forms LK dasa system which is very accurate in actual practice as observed.Planet ruling the birth time in this manner starts dasa and also has a good influence on the native and his life.I wish some more clarifications from the membersRegardsNirmal Kumar Bhardwaj

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Respected Jay Ji,

I request you to be more elaborate on this 41 Minutes Unit. The

members will be enlightened by your vast knowledge.

regard

Mirmal Kumar Bhardwaj

, Jai Nahata <nahata_jay> wrote:

>

> Dear Nirmal ji,

>

> LK divides a day in equal 35 portions of around 41 minutes

each.This comes to approxiamately 24 hours of a day.This is appliacble

whether days are short or long. These 35 portions are nothing but the

35 years of cycle in which every year of a planet is equal to 41

minutes of time. This also forms LK dasa system which is very accurate

in actual practice as observed.

> Planet ruling the birth time in this manner starts dasa and also

has a good influence on the native and his life.

> I hope it helps.

> Plz correct me if wrong for which I shall be highly thankful.

>

> Best regards

>

> Jai

>

>

>

> nirbhar <nirbhar@g...> wrote:

> Respected Iqbal Ji,

> Indeed a encouraging contribution.The group wants such type of

> participation.

> You have described the Both the terms in detail. This will add to the

> knowledge of the members.

> I feel that Rahu and Ketu should also have some role in Janam Din Ka

> grah and there is something more can be added in Janam Samay kaa Grah

> and the timing portion because the days are not equal through out the

> years.

> Can Any one try in these terms only.

> Regards

> Nirmal Kumar Bhardwaj

> , " Iqbal " <punjabilovebug>

wrote:

> >

> > Nirmal Ji,

> >

> > Please accept my small contribution in response to your posting:

> >

> > Janam Din Ka Grah refers to the concept whereby each day of the week

> > is associated with a particular planet. Given this, the following

> > list exemplifies how in so many other facets of Indian life, these

> > socio-religious beliefs and tenets are part and parcel of the Indian

> > language. The list indicates the day of the week, its corresponding

> > indigenous root name, as well as the corresponding planet and its

> > name in indigenous form.

> >

> > Sunday (Ravivar) - Sun (Ravi)

> > Monday (Somvar) - Moon (Chandra)

> > Tuesday (Mangalvar) - Mars (Mangal)

> > Wednesday (Budhvar) - Mercury (Budh)

> > Thursday (Guruvar) - Jupiter (Guru)

> > Friday (Shukarvar) - Venus (Shukar/Shukra)

> > Saturday (Shanivar) - Saturn (Shani)

> >

> > The concept being that being born on a particular day would in itself

> > lend certain characteristics, attributes or enigmatic qualities of

> > the day's ruling planet on that person's life in some way shape or

> > form.

> >

> > As an interesting aside, the weekly program at one's local Mandir

> > could also contribute to insight on the days of the week! I have

> > personally seen how the offerings at the temple vary from day to day,

> > and even the focus of prayer or pooja may vary from day to day as

> > well. For example, on Sundays - Vishnu Puran/Pooja (Sun), Mondays -

> > Shiv/Shivling Pooja (Moon), Tuesdays Hanuman Pooja (Mangal),

> > Wednesdays Mata's Pooja (Mercury), Thursdays Guru Pooja (Jupiter),

> > Fridays Laxmi Pooja (Venus) and Saturdays Shani/Bairon Pooja (Saturn).

> >

> > Now, Janam Waqt Ka Grah refers to the time of day one is born in. The

> > following list shows the time period of a day with the corresponding

> > ruling planet for that time of day.

> >

> > From Sunrise to 8:00am - Jupiter

> > 8:00am to 10:00am - Sun

> > 10:00am to 11:00am - Moon

> > 11:00am to 13:00pm - Mars

> > 13:00pm to 16:00pm - Venus

> > 16:00pm to 18:00pm - Mercury

> > 18:00pm until Sunset/Dusk/Appearance of Stars - Rahu

> > After Sunset/Peak Night until 2 Hours before Sunrise - Saturn

> > Two hours before Sunrise/Twilight - Ketu

> >

> > Again, being born on a specific day during a specific time solicits

> > one to take into account the ruling planets and their potential

> > influences on a person, given that person's correct birth details.

> > While the Lal Kitab also provides for rectification or chart

> > formulation from a person's palm, to the best of my knowledge the

> > treatise on palmistry embedded within LK doesn't use the palm to

> > ascertain Janam Waqt or Janam Din Grahs. In the case where one did

> > not have this information, one would have to use the chart

> > formulation techniques given in LK using the palm, and investigate

> > the mounts of the person's palms to determine further the ruling

> > planet influences.

> >

> > In short, both Janam Din and Janam Waqt grahs are an integral part of

> > gaining more insight into particular influences which may be voicing

> > themselves on a person. Just like we go into friends houses during

> > certain period of the day and may encounter different moods,

> > different environments or subtle vibrations that may influence us in

> > different ways, similarly the ruling planet days and times of the day

> > potentially provide additional astrological insight into one's

> > persona.

> >

> > My humble contribution -

> >

> > Best Regards,

> > Iqbal

> >

> > Toronto, Canada

> >

> >

> >

> > , " nirbhar " <nirbhar@g...> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Friends,

> > > Can any body explain the meaning of Janam Din Ka Grah & Janam Waqt

> > Ka

> > > Grah and the time segment of the Grahas in a Day.

> > > Regards

> > > Nirmal Kumar Bhardwaj

> > >

> >

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Dear Umesh Ji:

 

Following the example you have given re JanamDin of Monday - suppose

JanamDin ka Grah is Guru (Thursday). The reason for the choice

being that it has multiple pakka khanas in house nos 2,5,9,11 and

12. I have following 4 queries:

 

(1) Does that mean that all the planets that are situated in these

houses can be rectified (if durusthi is required) by a single upaya

of Guru?

 

(2) Does this logic exist only for the birth chart or does it get

extended to the varshfal of each year?

 

(3) Does the definition of the Din start midnight (like we normally

track) or does it start after sunrise. Someone born say 4AM Monday

morning (before sunrise)- is JanamDin ka Grah Ravi or is it Chandra?

 

(4) Lastly, is the concept of JanamDin referencing a unique location

in India or is it independant of that? A child born on Sunday night

in the US would be equivalent to a Monday morning birth in India.

Is JanmDin ka Grah Ravi or Chandra?

 

With regards

Vijay Arora

 

, " Umesh Sharma "

<mudit982001> wrote:

>

> Respected Nirbhar ji,

> Sh. Iqbal ji very well analysis of this term. In this regard i

tell

> some more facts.

> 1. Janamdin ka Grah.

> Sunday (Ravivar) - Sun (Ravi)

> > > Monday (Somvar) - Moon (Chandra)

> > > Tuesday (Mangalvar) - Mars (Mangal)

> > > Wednesday (Budhvar) - Mercury (Budh)

> > > Thursday (Guruvar) - Jupiter (Guru)

> > > Friday (Shukarvar) - Venus (Shukar/Shukra)

> > > Saturday (Shanivar) - Saturn (Shani)

> In term of Lal-Kitab JanamDin Ka Grah Called as

> " KISMAT KE GRAH KO JAGANEY VALEY GRAH KA PAKKA GHAR arthat

RASHIPHAL

> KA yani JISKA UPAY HO SAKEY "

> JESEY JANAM-DIN KA GRAH HO CHANDAR(MONDAY), JISKA PAKKA KHANA NO.

4

> HEY. AB KHANA NO. 4 MAIN AAYE HUE GRAH KO CHAHEY VO GRAH PHAL KA

HI

> KYON NA HO AB CHANRA KE UPAY SE DURUST KIYA JA SAKEGA.

> WITH REGARDS

> UMESH SHARMA

>

> , " nirbhar " <nirbhar@g...>

wrote:

> >

> > Respected Iqbal Ji,

> > Indeed a encouraging contribution.The group wants such type of

> > participation.

> > You have described the Both the terms in detail. This will add

to

> the

> > knowledge of the members.

> > I feel that Rahu and Ketu should also have some role in Janam

Din Ka

> > grah and there is something more can be added in Janam Samay kaa

> Grah

> > and the timing portion because the days are not equal through

out

> the

> > years.

> > Can Any one try in these terms only.

> > Regards

> > Nirmal Kumar Bhardwaj

> > , " Iqbal "

<punjabilovebug>

> wrote:

> > >

> > > Nirmal Ji,

> > >

> > > Please accept my small contribution in response to your

posting:

> > >

> > > Janam Din Ka Grah refers to the concept whereby each day of

the

> week

> > > is associated with a particular planet. Given this, the

following

> > > list exemplifies how in so many other facets of Indian life,

> these

> > > socio-religious beliefs and tenets are part and parcel of the

> Indian

> > > language. The list indicates the day of the week, its

> corresponding

> > > indigenous root name, as well as the corresponding planet and

its

> > > name in indigenous form.

> > >

> > > Sunday (Ravivar) - Sun (Ravi)

> > > Monday (Somvar) - Moon (Chandra)

> > > Tuesday (Mangalvar) - Mars (Mangal)

> > > Wednesday (Budhvar) - Mercury (Budh)

> > > Thursday (Guruvar) - Jupiter (Guru)

> > > Friday (Shukarvar) - Venus (Shukar/Shukra)

> > > Saturday (Shanivar) - Saturn (Shani)

> > >

> > > The concept being that being born on a particular day would in

> itself

> > > lend certain characteristics, attributes or enigmatic

qualities

> of

> > > the day's ruling planet on that person's life in some way

shape

> or

> > > form.

> > >

> > > As an interesting aside, the weekly program at one's local

Mandir

> > > could also contribute to insight on the days of the week! I

have

> > > personally seen how the offerings at the temple vary from day

to

> day,

> > > and even the focus of prayer or pooja may vary from day to day

as

> > > well. For example, on Sundays - Vishnu Puran/Pooja (Sun),

> Mondays -

> > > Shiv/Shivling Pooja (Moon), Tuesdays Hanuman Pooja (Mangal),

> > > Wednesdays Mata's Pooja (Mercury), Thursdays Guru Pooja

> (Jupiter),

> > > Fridays Laxmi Pooja (Venus) and Saturdays Shani/Bairon Pooja

> (Saturn).

> > >

> > > Now, Janam Waqt Ka Grah refers to the time of day one is born

in.

> The

> > > following list shows the time period of a day with the

> corresponding

> > > ruling planet for that time of day.

> > >

> > > From Sunrise to 8:00am - Jupiter

> > > 8:00am to 10:00am - Sun

> > > 10:00am to 11:00am - Moon

> > > 11:00am to 13:00pm - Mars

> > > 13:00pm to 16:00pm - Venus

> > > 16:00pm to 18:00pm - Mercury

> > > 18:00pm until Sunset/Dusk/Appearance of Stars - Rahu

> > > After Sunset/Peak Night until 2 Hours before Sunrise - Saturn

> > > Two hours before Sunrise/Twilight - Ketu

> > >

> > > Again, being born on a specific day during a specific time

> solicits

> > > one to take into account the ruling planets and their

potential

> > > influences on a person, given that person's correct birth

> details.

> > > While the Lal Kitab also provides for rectification or chart

> > > formulation from a person's palm, to the best of my knowledge

the

> > > treatise on palmistry embedded within LK doesn't use the palm

to

> > > ascertain Janam Waqt or Janam Din Grahs. In the case where one

> did

> > > not have this information, one would have to use the chart

> > > formulation techniques given in LK using the palm, and

> investigate

> > > the mounts of the person's palms to determine further the

ruling

> > > planet influences.

> > >

> > > In short, both Janam Din and Janam Waqt grahs are an integral

> part of

> > > gaining more insight into particular influences which may be

> voicing

> > > themselves on a person. Just like we go into friends houses

> during

> > > certain period of the day and may encounter different moods,

> > > different environments or subtle vibrations that may influence

us

> in

> > > different ways, similarly the ruling planet days and times of

the

> day

> > > potentially provide additional astrological insight into one's

> > > persona.

> > >

> > > My humble contribution -

> > >

> > > Best Regards,

> > > Iqbal

> > >

> > > Toronto, Canada

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > , " nirbhar " <nirbhar@g...>

> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Friends,

> > > > Can any body explain the meaning of Janam Din Ka Grah &

Janam

> Waqt

> > > Ka

> > > > Grah and the time segment of the Grahas in a Day.

> > > > Regards

> > > > Nirmal Kumar Bhardwaj

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

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Respected Arora ji

You have posed an important question and is debatable. I request the

members to must give their views.

Regards

Nirmal Kumar Bhardwaj

, " vkarora1949 " <vkarora1@h...> wrote:

>

> Dear Umesh Ji:

>

> Following the example you have given re JanamDin of Monday - suppose

> JanamDin ka Grah is Guru (Thursday). The reason for the choice

> being that it has multiple pakka khanas in house nos 2,5,9,11 and

> 12. I have following 4 queries:

>

> (1) Does that mean that all the planets that are situated in these

> houses can be rectified (if durusthi is required) by a single upaya

> of Guru?

>

> (2) Does this logic exist only for the birth chart or does it get

> extended to the varshfal of each year?

>

> (3) Does the definition of the Din start midnight (like we normally

> track) or does it start after sunrise. Someone born say 4AM Monday

> morning (before sunrise)- is JanamDin ka Grah Ravi or is it Chandra?

>

> (4) Lastly, is the concept of JanamDin referencing a unique location

> in India or is it independant of that? A child born on Sunday night

> in the US would be equivalent to a Monday morning birth in India.

> Is JanmDin ka Grah Ravi or Chandra?

>

> With regards

> Vijay Arora

>

> , " Umesh Sharma "

> <mudit982001> wrote:

> >

> > Respected Nirbhar ji,

> > Sh. Iqbal ji very well analysis of this term. In this regard i

> tell

> > some more facts.

> > 1. Janamdin ka Grah.

> > Sunday (Ravivar) - Sun (Ravi)

> > > > Monday (Somvar) - Moon (Chandra)

> > > > Tuesday (Mangalvar) - Mars (Mangal)

> > > > Wednesday (Budhvar) - Mercury (Budh)

> > > > Thursday (Guruvar) - Jupiter (Guru)

> > > > Friday (Shukarvar) - Venus (Shukar/Shukra)

> > > > Saturday (Shanivar) - Saturn (Shani)

> > In term of Lal-Kitab JanamDin Ka Grah Called as

> > " KISMAT KE GRAH KO JAGANEY VALEY GRAH KA PAKKA GHAR arthat

> RASHIPHAL

> > KA yani JISKA UPAY HO SAKEY "

> > JESEY JANAM-DIN KA GRAH HO CHANDAR(MONDAY), JISKA PAKKA KHANA NO.

> 4

> > HEY. AB KHANA NO. 4 MAIN AAYE HUE GRAH KO CHAHEY VO GRAH PHAL KA

> HI

> > KYON NA HO AB CHANRA KE UPAY SE DURUST KIYA JA SAKEGA.

> > WITH REGARDS

> > UMESH SHARMA

> >

> > , " nirbhar " <nirbhar@g...>

> wrote:

> > >

> > > Respected Iqbal Ji,

> > > Indeed a encouraging contribution.The group wants such type of

> > > participation.

> > > You have described the Both the terms in detail. This will add

> to

> > the

> > > knowledge of the members.

> > > I feel that Rahu and Ketu should also have some role in Janam

> Din Ka

> > > grah and there is something more can be added in Janam Samay kaa

> > Grah

> > > and the timing portion because the days are not equal through

> out

> > the

> > > years.

> > > Can Any one try in these terms only.

> > > Regards

> > > Nirmal Kumar Bhardwaj

> > > , " Iqbal "

> <punjabilovebug>

> > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Nirmal Ji,

> > > >

> > > > Please accept my small contribution in response to your

> posting:

> > > >

> > > > Janam Din Ka Grah refers to the concept whereby each day of

> the

> > week

> > > > is associated with a particular planet. Given this, the

> following

> > > > list exemplifies how in so many other facets of Indian life,

> > these

> > > > socio-religious beliefs and tenets are part and parcel of the

> > Indian

> > > > language. The list indicates the day of the week, its

> > corresponding

> > > > indigenous root name, as well as the corresponding planet and

> its

> > > > name in indigenous form.

> > > >

> > > > Sunday (Ravivar) - Sun (Ravi)

> > > > Monday (Somvar) - Moon (Chandra)

> > > > Tuesday (Mangalvar) - Mars (Mangal)

> > > > Wednesday (Budhvar) - Mercury (Budh)

> > > > Thursday (Guruvar) - Jupiter (Guru)

> > > > Friday (Shukarvar) - Venus (Shukar/Shukra)

> > > > Saturday (Shanivar) - Saturn (Shani)

> > > >

> > > > The concept being that being born on a particular day would in

> > itself

> > > > lend certain characteristics, attributes or enigmatic

> qualities

> > of

> > > > the day's ruling planet on that person's life in some way

> shape

> > or

> > > > form.

> > > >

> > > > As an interesting aside, the weekly program at one's local

> Mandir

> > > > could also contribute to insight on the days of the week! I

> have

> > > > personally seen how the offerings at the temple vary from day

> to

> > day,

> > > > and even the focus of prayer or pooja may vary from day to day

> as

> > > > well. For example, on Sundays - Vishnu Puran/Pooja (Sun),

> > Mondays -

> > > > Shiv/Shivling Pooja (Moon), Tuesdays Hanuman Pooja (Mangal),

> > > > Wednesdays Mata's Pooja (Mercury), Thursdays Guru Pooja

> > (Jupiter),

> > > > Fridays Laxmi Pooja (Venus) and Saturdays Shani/Bairon Pooja

> > (Saturn).

> > > >

> > > > Now, Janam Waqt Ka Grah refers to the time of day one is born

> in.

> > The

> > > > following list shows the time period of a day with the

> > corresponding

> > > > ruling planet for that time of day.

> > > >

> > > > From Sunrise to 8:00am - Jupiter

> > > > 8:00am to 10:00am - Sun

> > > > 10:00am to 11:00am - Moon

> > > > 11:00am to 13:00pm - Mars

> > > > 13:00pm to 16:00pm - Venus

> > > > 16:00pm to 18:00pm - Mercury

> > > > 18:00pm until Sunset/Dusk/Appearance of Stars - Rahu

> > > > After Sunset/Peak Night until 2 Hours before Sunrise - Saturn

> > > > Two hours before Sunrise/Twilight - Ketu

> > > >

> > > > Again, being born on a specific day during a specific time

> > solicits

> > > > one to take into account the ruling planets and their

> potential

> > > > influences on a person, given that person's correct birth

> > details.

> > > > While the Lal Kitab also provides for rectification or chart

> > > > formulation from a person's palm, to the best of my knowledge

> the

> > > > treatise on palmistry embedded within LK doesn't use the palm

> to

> > > > ascertain Janam Waqt or Janam Din Grahs. In the case where one

> > did

> > > > not have this information, one would have to use the chart

> > > > formulation techniques given in LK using the palm, and

> > investigate

> > > > the mounts of the person's palms to determine further the

> ruling

> > > > planet influences.

> > > >

> > > > In short, both Janam Din and Janam Waqt grahs are an integral

> > part of

> > > > gaining more insight into particular influences which may be

> > voicing

> > > > themselves on a person. Just like we go into friends houses

> > during

> > > > certain period of the day and may encounter different moods,

> > > > different environments or subtle vibrations that may influence

> us

> > in

> > > > different ways, similarly the ruling planet days and times of

> the

> > day

> > > > potentially provide additional astrological insight into one's

> > > > persona.

> > > >

> > > > My humble contribution -

> > > >

> > > > Best Regards,

> > > > Iqbal

> > > >

> > > > Toronto, Canada

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > , " nirbhar " <nirbhar@g...>

> > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Friends,

> > > > > Can any body explain the meaning of Janam Din Ka Grah &

> Janam

> > Waqt

> > > > Ka

> > > > > Grah and the time segment of the Grahas in a Day.

> > > > > Regards

> > > > > Nirmal Kumar Bhardwaj

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

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Dear Arora Ji, (1) I am not sure - I will defer to Senior members. (2) I believe the logic is true for the upayes for varshphal also. Think of it as a life-long remediable planet, in addition to whatever varshphal upayes are necessary. However, if the Janam Din Ka Grah is in a bad position in Varshphal, then varshphal rules and upayes need to be followed first. For example, if Saturn were in 8th but you were born on a Saturday, would you necessarily try to make Saturn stronger? The answer is no. You would need to look at the placement of Saturn relative to others, and use Varshphal rules first. If after varshphal upayes, Saturn is in a position it can be remedied then it should be done for maximum benefit. (3) Midnight represents the start of the day for this topic's needs. For other topics, the day begins with Sunrise

(i.e Tantric Sadhana as well as most Eastern Religions). Someone born on 4am Monday, would be Chandra for Janam Din Ka Grah. However, depending on its proximity to Sunrise the Janam Waqt ka Grah could be Saturn or Ketu, depending on how close they are to the Sunrise. For instance, in the Netherlands it is common for Sunrise to occur at 3:30 or 4:00am, while in North America it is usually after 6:30. People were born in certain times for some reason (by God), so we need to adjust for local experiences and specificities. (4) Having to convert times to India is wrong. I know that this might go against the views of some senior members, but in this day and age of advanced software and rising lagnas etc, one should base it on the location one is born and in the time specified. The lagna in the US will not be the same in India. I have tried to convert numerous kundlis to India-time

for dozens of people I know including my own, as well as numerous celebrities (Bill Gates, Diana, George Bush) and after doing so, the chart becomes something totally different both in natal as well as varshphal and bears no semblance to the person's life. Similarly, eclipses occuring in India do not necessarily occur in the West. The local tide rises or lowers based on the Moon's strength locally, not in India. If you're going to convert to Indian time, then I believe you are erroring in analysis however sincere in effort. Best Regards, Iqbal Toronto, Canada nirbhar <nirbhar wrote: Respected Arora jiYou have posed an important question and is debatable. I request themembers to must give their views.RegardsNirmal Kumar Bhardwaj , "vkarora1949" <vkarora1@h...> wrote:>> Dear Umesh Ji:> > Following the example you have given re JanamDin of Monday - suppose > JanamDin ka Grah is Guru (Thursday). The reason for the choice > being that it has multiple pakka khanas in house nos 2,5,9,11 and > 12. I have following 4 queries:> > (1) Does that mean that all the planets that are situated in these > houses can be rectified (if durusthi is required) by a single upaya > of Guru?> > (2) Does this logic exist only for the birth chart or does it get > extended to the varshfal of each year?> > (3) Does the definition of the Din start midnight (like we normally > track) or does it start

after sunrise. Someone born say 4AM Monday > morning (before sunrise)- is JanamDin ka Grah Ravi or is it Chandra?> > (4) Lastly, is the concept of JanamDin referencing a unique location > in India or is it independant of that? A child born on Sunday night > in the US would be equivalent to a Monday morning birth in India. > Is JanmDin ka Grah Ravi or Chandra? > > With regards> Vijay Arora> > , "Umesh Sharma" > <mudit982001> wrote:> >> > Respected Nirbhar ji,> > Sh. Iqbal ji very well analysis of this term. In this regard i > tell > > some more facts.> > 1. Janamdin ka Grah. > > Sunday (Ravivar) - Sun (Ravi) > > > > Monday (Somvar) - Moon (Chandra) > > > > Tuesday (Mangalvar) - Mars (Mangal)>

> > > Wednesday (Budhvar) - Mercury (Budh)> > > > Thursday (Guruvar) - Jupiter (Guru)> > > > Friday (Shukarvar) - Venus (Shukar/Shukra)> > > > Saturday (Shanivar) - Saturn (Shani)> > In term of Lal-Kitab JanamDin Ka Grah Called as > > "KISMAT KE GRAH KO JAGANEY VALEY GRAH KA PAKKA GHAR arthat > RASHIPHAL > > KA yani JISKA UPAY HO SAKEY"> > JESEY JANAM-DIN KA GRAH HO CHANDAR(MONDAY), JISKA PAKKA KHANA NO. > 4 > > HEY. AB KHANA NO. 4 MAIN AAYE HUE GRAH KO CHAHEY VO GRAH PHAL KA > HI > > KYON NA HO AB CHANRA KE UPAY SE DURUST KIYA JA SAKEGA.> > WITH REGARDS>

> UMESH SHARMA > > > > , "nirbhar" <nirbhar@g...> > wrote:> > >> > > Respected Iqbal Ji,> > > Indeed a encouraging contribution.The group wants such type of> > > participation.> > > You have described the Both the terms in detail. This will add > to > > the> > > knowledge of the members.> > > I feel that Rahu and Ketu should also have some role in Janam > Din Ka> > > grah

and there is something more can be added in Janam Samay kaa > > Grah> > > and the timing portion because the days are not equal through > out > > the> > > years. > > > Can Any one try in these terms only.> > > Regards> > > Nirmal Kumar Bhardwaj > > > , "Iqbal" > <punjabilovebug> > > wrote:> > > >> > > > Nirmal Ji,> > > > > > > > Please accept my small contribution in response to your > posting:> > > > > > > > Janam Din Ka Grah refers to the concept whereby each day of > the > > week > > > > is associated with a particular planet. Given this, the > following > > > > list exemplifies how in so many other facets of Indian life, > > these > >

> > socio-religious beliefs and tenets are part and parcel of the > > Indian > > > > language. The list indicates the day of the week, its > > corresponding > > > > indigenous root name, as well as the corresponding planet and > its > > > > name in indigenous form.> > > > > > > > Sunday (Ravivar) - Sun (Ravi) > > > > Monday (Somvar) - Moon (Chandra) > > > > Tuesday (Mangalvar) - Mars (Mangal)> > > > Wednesday (Budhvar) - Mercury (Budh)> > > > Thursday (Guruvar) - Jupiter (Guru)> > > > Friday (Shukarvar) - Venus (Shukar/Shukra)> > > > Saturday (Shanivar) - Saturn (Shani)> > > > > > > > The concept being that being born on a particular day would in > > itself > > > > lend certain characteristics, attributes or

enigmatic > qualities > > of > > > > the day's ruling planet on that person's life in some way > shape > > or > > > > form.> > > > > > > > As an interesting aside, the weekly program at one's local > Mandir > > > > could also contribute to insight on the days of the week! I > have > > > > personally seen how the offerings at the temple vary from day > to > > day, > > > > and even the focus of prayer or pooja may vary from day to day > as > > > > well. For example, on Sundays - Vishnu Puran/Pooja (Sun), > > Mondays - > > > > Shiv/Shivling Pooja (Moon), Tuesdays Hanuman Pooja (Mangal), > > > > Wednesdays Mata's Pooja (Mercury), Thursdays Guru Pooja > > (Jupiter), > > > > Fridays Laxmi Pooja (Venus) and Saturdays

Shani/Bairon Pooja > > (Saturn).> > > > > > > > Now, Janam Waqt Ka Grah refers to the time of day one is born > in. > > The > > > > following list shows the time period of a day with the > > corresponding > > > > ruling planet for that time of day.> > > > > > > > From Sunrise to 8:00am - Jupiter> > > > 8:00am to 10:00am - Sun> > > > 10:00am to 11:00am - Moon> > > > 11:00am to 13:00pm - Mars> > > > 13:00pm to 16:00pm - Venus> > > > 16:00pm to 18:00pm - Mercury> > > > 18:00pm until Sunset/Dusk/Appearance of Stars - Rahu> > > > After Sunset/Peak Night until 2 Hours before Sunrise - Saturn> > > > Two hours before Sunrise/Twilight - Ketu> > > > > > > > Again, being born on a specific day during a

specific time > > solicits > > > > one to take into account the ruling planets and their > potential > > > > influences on a person, given that person's correct birth > > details. > > > > While the Lal Kitab also provides for rectification or chart > > > > formulation from a person's palm, to the best of my knowledge > the > > > > treatise on palmistry embedded within LK doesn't use the palm > to > > > > ascertain Janam Waqt or Janam Din Grahs. In the case where one > > did > > > > not have this information, one would have to use the chart > > > > formulation techniques given in LK using the palm, and > > investigate > > > > the mounts of the person's palms to determine further the > ruling > > > > planet influences.> > > > > > >

> In short, both Janam Din and Janam Waqt grahs are an integral > > part of > > > > gaining more insight into particular influences which may be > > voicing > > > > themselves on a person. Just like we go into friends houses > > during > > > > certain period of the day and may encounter different moods, > > > > different environments or subtle vibrations that may influence > us > > in > > > > different ways, similarly the ruling planet days and times of > the > > day > > > > potentially provide additional astrological insight into one's > > > > persona.> > > > > > > > My humble contribution -> > > > > > > > Best Regards,> > > > Iqbal> > > > > > > > Toronto, Canada> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > , "nirbhar" <nirbhar@g...> > > wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Dear Friends,> > > > > Can any body explain the meaning of Janam Din Ka Grah & > Janam > > Waqt > > > > Ka> > > > > Grah and the time segment of the Grahas in a Day.> > > > > Regards> > > > > Nirmal Kumar Bhardwaj> > > > >> > > >> > >> >>

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Namaskhar,

 

> > (2) Does this logic exist only for the birth chart or does it get

> > extended to the varshfal of each year?

> >

I should think so. As far as I understand the basic rules should be the same. As

the birth chart

so the Varshaphal chart.

 

> > (3) Does the definition of the Din start midnight (like we normally

> > track) or does it start after sunrise. Someone born say 4AM Monday

> > morning (before sunrise)- is JanamDin ka Grah Ravi or is it Chandra?

> >

I feel that the birth of the day is when the Sun rises. Hence we should take the

defination of a

day from Sunrise to Sunrise. This is supported by fact that maths for time

division is also from

Sunrise to Sunrise. Timing for Rahu and Ketu are in relation to the natural

phenomenon which

naturally divide the day. These are natural time keepers. Also, other factors

also depend on the

timing of the Sunrise and Sunset. Example, the movement of nature is in

relationship to the

Sunrise and Sunset. The human body as well as other life form like plants and

animals are also

influenced by these phenomenons like Sunrise and Sunset.

 

> > (4) Lastly, is the concept of JanamDin referencing a unique location

> > in India or is it independant of that? A child born on Sunday night

> > in the US would be equivalent to a Monday morning birth in India.

> > Is JanmDin ka Grah Ravi or Chandra?

> >

The day and night phenomenon is a local phenomenon. Hence it should be

considered vis-a-vis the

local event. So if the birth is in US and Sunday Night, than it should be Ravi.

 

Take care, Dinesh.

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Dear Vijay Arora ji,

There is half answer, becaz i explain only half portion of querry.

i try to answers all your queries with my little knowledge.

read below your querries in capital latters.

With Regards

Umesh Sharma

, " nirbhar " <nirbhar@g...> wrote:

>

> Respected Arora ji

> You have posed an important question and is debatable. I request the

> members to must give their views.

> Regards

> Nirmal Kumar Bhardwaj

> , " vkarora1949 " <vkarora1@h...>

wrote:

> >

> > Dear Umesh Ji:

> >

> > Following the example you have given re JanamDin of Monday -

suppose

> > JanamDin ka Grah is Guru (Thursday). The reason for the choice

> > being that it has multiple pakka khanas in house nos 2,5,9,11 and

> > 12. I have following 4 queries:

> >

> > (1) Does that mean that all the planets that are situated in

these houses can be rectified (if durusthi is required) by a single

upaya of Guru?

ANS: JATAK KE LIYE JAB KABHI AUR JO BHI KHANA NO. 2-5-9-11 KA ASAR

HOGA RASHIPHAL KA HOGA JISKA GURU KE UPAY SE NEK ASAR HOGA.

AB YAHAN PAR ALAG ALAG GHARON KE ALAG ALAG UPAY SE LABH HOGA. VAISEY

ESMAIN JANAM-SAMAY KE GRAH KO BHI LETEY HAIN.

> > (2) Does this logic exist only for the birth chart or does it get

> > extended to the varshfal of each year?

ANS: DAY OF BIRTH CALLED JANAMDIN KA GRAH, AND AS PER TIME OF BIRTH

WHICH PLANET RULE THAT TIME PORTION CALLED JANAMSAMAY KA GRAH. SO

THERE IS NO QUESTION OF WHICH DAY AND TIME VARASHAPHAL STARTS.

> >

> > (3) Does the definition of the Din start midnight (like we

normally track) or does it start after sunrise. Someone born say 4AM

Monday morning (before sunrise)- is JanamDin ka Grah Ravi or is it

Chandra?

ANS: WE CONSIDER AFTER THE SUN-RISE SO JANAMDIN KA GRAH IS CHANDRA.

> >

> > (4) Lastly, is the concept of JanamDin referencing a unique

location in India or is it independant of that? A child born on

Sunday night In the US would be equivalent to a Monday morning birth

in India. Is JanmDin ka Grah Ravi or Chandra?

ANS: IT IS INDEPENDENT. WE CONSIDER AFTER SUN-RISE TO SUN-RISE. SO

SUNDAY WILL BE CONSIDER AS A JANAMDIN KA GRAH.

APNI JANAKARI SE JITNA JANTA THA VO AAPSEY KAHA MAGAR GALATI BTANEY

VALA SABSEY BADA MADADGAR HOGA.

THANKS

MAY GOD BLESS YOU

UMESH SHARMA

> With regards

> > Vijay Arora

> >

> > , " Umesh Sharma "

> > <mudit982001> wrote:

> > >

> > > Respected Nirbhar ji,

> > > Sh. Iqbal ji very well analysis of this term. In this regard i

> > tell

> > > some more facts.

> > > 1. Janamdin ka Grah.

> > > Sunday (Ravivar) - Sun (Ravi)

> > > > > Monday (Somvar) - Moon (Chandra)

> > > > > Tuesday (Mangalvar) - Mars (Mangal)

> > > > > Wednesday (Budhvar) - Mercury (Budh)

> > > > > Thursday (Guruvar) - Jupiter (Guru)

> > > > > Friday (Shukarvar) - Venus (Shukar/Shukra)

> > > > > Saturday (Shanivar) - Saturn (Shani)

> > > In term of Lal-Kitab JanamDin Ka Grah Called as

> > > " KISMAT KE GRAH KO JAGANEY VALEY GRAH KA PAKKA GHAR arthat

> > RASHIPHAL

> > > KA yani JISKA UPAY HO SAKEY "

> > > JESEY JANAM-DIN KA GRAH HO CHANDAR(MONDAY), JISKA PAKKA KHANA

NO.

> > 4

> > > HEY. AB KHANA NO. 4 MAIN AAYE HUE GRAH KO CHAHEY VO GRAH PHAL

KA

> > HI

> > > KYON NA HO AB CHANRA KE UPAY SE DURUST KIYA JA SAKEGA.

> > > WITH REGARDS

> > > UMESH SHARMA

> > >

> > > , " nirbhar " <nirbhar@g...>

> > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Respected Iqbal Ji,

> > > > Indeed a encouraging contribution.The group wants such type of

> > > > participation.

> > > > You have described the Both the terms in detail. This will

add

> > to

> > > the

> > > > knowledge of the members.

> > > > I feel that Rahu and Ketu should also have some role in Janam

> > Din Ka

> > > > grah and there is something more can be added in Janam Samay

kaa

> > > Grah

> > > > and the timing portion because the days are not equal through

> > out

> > > the

> > > > years.

> > > > Can Any one try in these terms only.

> > > > Regards

> > > > Nirmal Kumar Bhardwaj

> > > > , " Iqbal "

> > <punjabilovebug>

> > > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Nirmal Ji,

> > > > >

> > > > > Please accept my small contribution in response to your

> > posting:

> > > > >

> > > > > Janam Din Ka Grah refers to the concept whereby each day of

> > the

> > > week

> > > > > is associated with a particular planet. Given this, the

> > following

> > > > > list exemplifies how in so many other facets of Indian

life,

> > > these

> > > > > socio-religious beliefs and tenets are part and parcel of

the

> > > Indian

> > > > > language. The list indicates the day of the week, its

> > > corresponding

> > > > > indigenous root name, as well as the corresponding planet

and

> > its

> > > > > name in indigenous form.

> > > > >

> > > > > Sunday (Ravivar) - Sun (Ravi)

> > > > > Monday (Somvar) - Moon (Chandra)

> > > > > Tuesday (Mangalvar) - Mars (Mangal)

> > > > > Wednesday (Budhvar) - Mercury (Budh)

> > > > > Thursday (Guruvar) - Jupiter (Guru)

> > > > > Friday (Shukarvar) - Venus (Shukar/Shukra)

> > > > > Saturday (Shanivar) - Saturn (Shani)

> > > > >

> > > > > The concept being that being born on a particular day would

in

> > > itself

> > > > > lend certain characteristics, attributes or enigmatic

> > qualities

> > > of

> > > > > the day's ruling planet on that person's life in some way

> > shape

> > > or

> > > > > form.

> > > > >

> > > > > As an interesting aside, the weekly program at one's local

> > Mandir

> > > > > could also contribute to insight on the days of the week! I

> > have

> > > > > personally seen how the offerings at the temple vary from

day

> > to

> > > day,

> > > > > and even the focus of prayer or pooja may vary from day to

day

> > as

> > > > > well. For example, on Sundays - Vishnu Puran/Pooja (Sun),

> > > Mondays -

> > > > > Shiv/Shivling Pooja (Moon), Tuesdays Hanuman Pooja

(Mangal),

> > > > > Wednesdays Mata's Pooja (Mercury), Thursdays Guru Pooja

> > > (Jupiter),

> > > > > Fridays Laxmi Pooja (Venus) and Saturdays Shani/Bairon

Pooja

> > > (Saturn).

> > > > >

> > > > > Now, Janam Waqt Ka Grah refers to the time of day one is

born

> > in.

> > > The

> > > > > following list shows the time period of a day with the

> > > corresponding

> > > > > ruling planet for that time of day.

> > > > >

> > > > > From Sunrise to 8:00am - Jupiter

> > > > > 8:00am to 10:00am - Sun

> > > > > 10:00am to 11:00am - Moon

> > > > > 11:00am to 13:00pm - Mars

> > > > > 13:00pm to 16:00pm - Venus

> > > > > 16:00pm to 18:00pm - Mercury

> > > > > 18:00pm until Sunset/Dusk/Appearance of Stars - Rahu

> > > > > After Sunset/Peak Night until 2 Hours before Sunrise -

Saturn

> > > > > Two hours before Sunrise/Twilight - Ketu

> > > > >

> > > > > Again, being born on a specific day during a specific time

> > > solicits

> > > > > one to take into account the ruling planets and their

> > potential

> > > > > influences on a person, given that person's correct birth

> > > details.

> > > > > While the Lal Kitab also provides for rectification or

chart

> > > > > formulation from a person's palm, to the best of my

knowledge

> > the

> > > > > treatise on palmistry embedded within LK doesn't use the

palm

> > to

> > > > > ascertain Janam Waqt or Janam Din Grahs. In the case where

one

> > > did

> > > > > not have this information, one would have to use the chart

> > > > > formulation techniques given in LK using the palm, and

> > > investigate

> > > > > the mounts of the person's palms to determine further the

> > ruling

> > > > > planet influences.

> > > > >

> > > > > In short, both Janam Din and Janam Waqt grahs are an

integral

> > > part of

> > > > > gaining more insight into particular influences which may

be

> > > voicing

> > > > > themselves on a person. Just like we go into friends houses

> > > during

> > > > > certain period of the day and may encounter different

moods,

> > > > > different environments or subtle vibrations that may

influence

> > us

> > > in

> > > > > different ways, similarly the ruling planet days and times

of

> > the

> > > day

> > > > > potentially provide additional astrological insight into

one's

> > > > > persona.

> > > > >

> > > > > My humble contribution -

> > > > >

> > > > > Best Regards,

> > > > > Iqbal

> > > > >

> > > > > Toronto, Canada

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > , " nirbhar "

<nirbhar@g...>

> > > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Friends,

> > > > > > Can any body explain the meaning of Janam Din Ka Grah &

> > Janam

> > > Waqt

> > > > > Ka

> > > > > > Grah and the time segment of the Grahas in a Day.

> > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > Nirmal Kumar Bhardwaj

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>